The fact that you were more informative than the actual Ford instruction video says a lot plus you unplugged correctly when the official Ford video did not (the guy yanked on it after pushing the silver button only).
That’s a lot of ways to start a charge! I never open charge assist so that’s cool. I just wish that Ford brought the kW charging speeds to the driver’s display on the MME like they do with ‘24 Lightning
I just bought the Lectron NACS to CCS1 adapter (I like how the NACS release works on this better than the Ford adapter). We took it to a Tesal super charger yesterday for a test run before a road trip next week and Plug and Charge definitely did not work for us. We got some kind of error message indicating an 'external error', despite making sure that we had everything setup and enabled for Plug and Charge. We ended up figuring out how to activate the charger through the Ford Pass app, but kind of disappointed that Plug and Charge is not more reliable. :-/
I can't get plug and charge to work with EA either. I've been on the phone with Ford for hours and they say it should work but it just never does. I can get the chargers to activate through the ford pass app but plug and charge always says payment declined. I've tried different credit cards and every sort of uninstall/reinstall but just won't work.
I could see turning off plug and charge and using the fordpass app vs Tesla if say I had benefits with EA that are not available via plug and charge and I didn't want to mess with turning that off/on when I used a different plug and charge capable network like Tesla. I am with you though, 9/10 folks will want just plug and charge for the speed and simplicity. My wife for sure would want that.
Question for you two (loving the videos) have you seen any change in charging speed or curve when using a Telsa Supercharger network vs what you would get before using other networks?
Is the Charge Assist app available to all MME's at the moment, or is this car running some pre-release software that was pushed to the vehicle, since only a select few have the adapters currently? Thanks for the video!
My last road trip (in VA) charging was at .35 cents kw Is that based on location ? Or that I have a Tesla ? I find this topic interesting as I always see sooo many chargers sitting there empty
I believe your adapter is a prototype. I think the one Ford is sending out to everyone will have a pin in it that will engage so you cannot remove it unless the fob is nearby. At least that's what I'm hoping.
When charging at EA, I don’t use it because plug and charge is more expensive (if you an EA membership). I did a cross country road trip and saved quite a bit.
Looks as if you only took up 1 charging port. Did these chargers have longer cords ?? So cool to see all those chargers out there all open and available
Excellent good etiquette will be so important especially in these early days of adoption. Please stress this in all of your videos I think it’s critical. Ie: with superchargers it’s polite to use every other charger as stall A& B share the same power source using both reduces your charge rate this I think is true on v2’s but you would be surprised how many Tesla owners don’t know this. V3 not a problem but the way you parked even with 60 stalls it’s just really good that your concerned about this. When you visit an 8 or 12 stall station it could be a problem I sure hope all the manufacturers more their charge ports
@@Crisbas45 For non-Teslas, we can only use V3 and V4 stations. They do not power share so you can park right next to someone and it makes 0 difference. It is actually good for non-Teslas with the charge port on the opposite side to stick together because it will reduce the number of unusable spaces used overall.
I assume the plug-and-charge method is configured to transmit your VIN to Tesla to approve your session and apply the fee to your Tesla account, right? It's interesting that my Tesla app already asked me about my EV, and I filled in the blanks for my Ioniq 5. The only thing I didn't indicate is that I don't already have an adapter. I assume that Tesla will update its protocols when and if it gives a green light to Hyundai.
Patrick, I believe the Tesla idle fees are only incurred if the supercharger is at 50% or higher utilization. I think that is spelled out more clearly inside the Tesla app. They are also rolling out congestion charges where they charge a higher rate per kWh if you charge above 80% and the supercharger is very utilized. I think that is a very cool idea.
You are correct and they double if the station reaches 100% full. We're going to get into a detailed pricing breakdown in another video but until then we want to emphasize there will be idle fees to make sure people don't get surprised. EA has warnings about idle fees but the never used to collect them. Tesla does. The guy we spoke to at Quartzsite fell asleep in his car one time and had a $100 idle fee bill!
I just bought an aftermarket adapter , couldn’t wait. It tried it out and I couldn’t get the ford pass to work, got the flashing orange of death. After two tries I did get the Tesla app to work, strange though that the blue ring never lit up. Car said it was charging as well as the Tesla app. Maybe user error. Will have to try again another time.
So it looks like if you get the Tesla membership going through their app is the only way to get the reduced rate or is there a way to link the plug and charge through Ford Pass and Tesla to get it that way?
They're 2 different protocols and Ford wants you to use the ISO 15118 so called "plug and charge" protocol meant for EA through Ford's own app which would have your billing info. I guess if the majority of their EV drivers use the Supercharger network more often from now on and all let Ford know, then perhaps Ford will change their minds. But after you first set it up, using the Tesla app only takes as long as the time it takes you to get your phone out and select the correct charger. Most stations are not 100 plus stalls. Not yet, anyway. So only an additional 5 to 10 seconds.
seems like your car has a few more options than mine, I do not have a charge assist button on my car, I just received the feedback button last week so maybe it will show up ??? I stopped guessing
@@CarlosPerezPhotography The Tesla Charging membership rate is $12.99/month which gives you a discounted charging rate that matches what Tesla drivers pay. Charging rates vary around the country and some states require per minutes charging instead of by the kWh which really is not the way to go so it's a little hard to generalize. I looked up a station just east of Topeka, KS that's open to non-Tesla's and they charge $0.46 kWh for non-Tesla's without a membership and $0.34 kWh to Tesla's and non-Tesla's with a membership. I think Electrify America has a similar discounted rate if you pay for a membership.
We are EA plus members and receive 25% off but you can’t use it thru plug & charge. So we will just stick to using the Tesla app that way we don’t have to turn on and off plug & charge.
So I was wondering if you are a telsa member for the discounted rates, does that get passed onto you with plug and play on the ford app? Or would have to unlock it everytime with the tesla app?
How did you get your Ford Pass to authorize the Tesla charger. I've tried 4 different locations and I get a message the chargers are not available even though I see Teslas charge. Ford offers no solution. I've had the car for close to 3 months now and get the pass around to multiple departments. Leave a phone number? They don't call back. Dealer says call customer care, pass off to someone else who then says take it to dealer. Does the car program have anything to do with this problem? Update: Just saw the 4th way to charge. How did you get the charge assist ap on the car? It's not on my home page. Hope you can provide some insight on this.
Loving the content and learning about this. I just sent you an email to each of the email addresses I could find that has some info on the east coast Superchargers that have a better layout for Ford and other EV's.
I have the use the app to activate charging each time for my Lightning. The "Plug and Charge" did not work. How do you have it set up to do that? I also have a Telsa, and it's always "Plug and Charge" no app needed.
You have to enter your credit card info with your Ford account. Go to Ford.com, login and then under the Connected Services for your car, you'll see the BlueOval Charge Network. You can setup payment info there and turn on P&C. Once you have done that, Tesla stations will work just like like they do with your Tesla. And you will also be able to use Plug&Charge with Electrify America stations as well.
@@iMobileToyz Try it at an Electrify America station if you can. If it works at EA and not Tesla, your car hasn't gotten the Tesla Plug&Charge update yet. If it doesn't work at EA, something is wrong with your payment info or Ford account.
@@everclearsolarpanelcleanin9089 Tom tested them with a Rivian - it was the vehicle that caused it not to work with the Supercharger not the 3rd party adapter.
No. You can get one from Ford for free if you own a Mach-E or Lightning. Or you can order an adapter from A2Z: a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapters/products/nacs-ccs1?ref=machevlog&variant=43186507579592 Our review of the A2Z Typhoon NACS Adapter: mustangmacheclub.org/a2z-typhoon-nacs-to-ccs-adapter/
Please, just pull the plug straight out. Don't reef on it up and down. You'll bend the pins. I realize in the video you're only wrecking your adapter and charge port, but if you're doing the same thing on public CCS stations you are wrecking the plugs that everyone has to use. Thanks
good call, if there’s a way to use it without putting musk on my personal phone or giving him my credit card information maybe i’ll do it in an emergency situation
And we can’t wait to use Rivian Adventure Network! We regularly do a 400 mile trip to visit our grand baby. There is a convenient coffee stop with Chargepoint 60kw chargers that never go over 50kw. There are also some older Superchargers that aren’t on our charging map. The 10 Rivian chargers would be a welcome addition!
My wife took my house and the kids but luckily I got to keep my Mach e I love this thing
Dang
The fact that you were more informative than the actual Ford instruction video says a lot plus you unplugged correctly when the official Ford video did not (the guy yanked on it after pushing the silver button only).
Impressively informative and at a nice pace. Well done.
Thanks!
Terrific video explaining all the ways to charge the M-E at a Tesla SuC.
Great video! Very many ways to start the session...
That’s a lot of ways to start a charge! I never open charge assist so that’s cool. I just wish that Ford brought the kW charging speeds to the driver’s display on the MME like they do with ‘24 Lightning
I just bought the Lectron NACS to CCS1 adapter (I like how the NACS release works on this better than the Ford adapter). We took it to a Tesal super charger yesterday for a test run before a road trip next week and Plug and Charge definitely did not work for us. We got some kind of error message indicating an 'external error', despite making sure that we had everything setup and enabled for Plug and Charge. We ended up figuring out how to activate the charger through the Ford Pass app, but kind of disappointed that Plug and Charge is not more reliable. :-/
Same thing happened to me with that adapter
I'm glad they have the other methods, I've never been able to get the plug and charge to work.
You should get Ford to fix it.
You need an Over the Air update. Once it has updated you will get a message that you can plug and charge at Tesla Superchargers.
I can't get plug and charge to work with EA either. I've been on the phone with Ford for hours and they say it should work but it just never does. I can get the chargers to activate through the ford pass app but plug and charge always says payment declined. I've tried different credit cards and every sort of uninstall/reinstall but just won't work.
@@Toycollector33try a few dealers, maybe?
@@Toycollector33do you activate in the Ford Pass app before or after plugging in the charger?
I could see turning off plug and charge and using the fordpass app vs Tesla if say I had benefits with EA that are not available via plug and charge and I didn't want to mess with turning that off/on when I used a different plug and charge capable network like Tesla.
I am with you though, 9/10 folks will want just plug and charge for the speed and simplicity. My wife for sure would want that.
I have only had plug and charge work on the blue oval network (Ford Pass if set up correctly) connected services need your payment info.
Where do I buy this adapter
Question for you two (loving the videos) have you seen any change in charging speed or curve when using a Telsa Supercharger network vs what you would get before using other networks?
So far it seems similar to using something like an EA 350. We keep doing short charges so it is hard to tell for sure if there are minor differences.
Is the Charge Assist app available to all MME's at the moment, or is this car running some pre-release software that was pushed to the vehicle, since only a select few have the adapters currently? Thanks for the video!
It is supposed to be rolling out to all Mach-Es whether you have an adapter or not. We've had it for several months.
My last road trip (in VA) charging was at .35 cents kw
Is that based on location ? Or that I have a Tesla ?
I find this topic interesting as I always see sooo many chargers sitting there empty
Tesla's prices vary by location and in some cases time of day.
I believe your adapter is a prototype. I think the one Ford is sending out to everyone will have a pin in it that will engage so you cannot remove it unless the fob is nearby. At least that's what I'm hoping.
What is this theory based on? Do you happen to have a source?! This is my hope as well!
4:02 - First time I charged with a Magic Dock, I had to "update billing info" as well. Count me as one who will only (and always) use plug-n-charge.
When charging at EA, I don’t use it because plug and charge is more expensive (if you an EA membership). I did a cross country road trip and saved quite a bit.
@@antoinemcabee1332 Yep, but we fast charge so rarely it's not worth it to us. Plus, I'm happy to "pay" for the ease and convenience of plug-n-charge.
Looks as if you only took up 1 charging port. Did these chargers have longer cords ??
So cool to see all those chargers out there all open and available
The cables were the same length. We picked that stall to ensure we wouldn't block any other charger.
Excellent good etiquette will be so important especially in these early days of adoption. Please stress this in all of your videos I think it’s critical. Ie: with superchargers it’s polite to use every other charger as stall A& B share the same power source using both reduces your charge rate this I think is true on v2’s but you would be surprised how many Tesla owners don’t know this. V3 not a problem but the way you parked even with 60 stalls it’s just really good that your concerned about this. When you visit an 8 or 12 stall station it could be a problem
I sure hope all the manufacturers more their charge ports
@@Crisbas45 For non-Teslas, we can only use V3 and V4 stations. They do not power share so you can park right next to someone and it makes 0 difference. It is actually good for non-Teslas with the charge port on the opposite side to stick together because it will reduce the number of unusable spaces used overall.
I assume the plug-and-charge method is configured to transmit your VIN to Tesla to approve your session and apply the fee to your Tesla account, right? It's interesting that my Tesla app already asked me about my EV, and I filled in the blanks for my Ioniq 5. The only thing I didn't indicate is that I don't already have an adapter. I assume that Tesla will update its protocols when and if it gives a green light to Hyundai.
With Plug and Charge, it bills my Ford account and uses the credit card I have on file with Ford.
Patrick, I believe the Tesla idle fees are only incurred if the supercharger is at 50% or higher utilization. I think that is spelled out more clearly inside the Tesla app.
They are also rolling out congestion charges where they charge a higher rate per kWh if you charge above 80% and the supercharger is very utilized. I think that is a very cool idea.
You are correct and they double if the station reaches 100% full. We're going to get into a detailed pricing breakdown in another video but until then we want to emphasize there will be idle fees to make sure people don't get surprised. EA has warnings about idle fees but the never used to collect them. Tesla does. The guy we spoke to at Quartzsite fell asleep in his car one time and had a $100 idle fee bill!
Well done and explained. Looking to use mine in a couple of months. This certainly takes away most of the anxiety out of road tripping with a Ford EV.
Great video. Very well done.
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I just bought an aftermarket adapter , couldn’t wait. It tried it out and I couldn’t get the ford pass to work, got the flashing orange of death. After two tries I did get the Tesla app to work, strange though that the blue ring never lit up. Car said it was charging as well as the Tesla app. Maybe user error. Will have to try again another time.
So it looks like if you get the Tesla membership going through their app is the only way to get the reduced rate or is there a way to link the plug and charge through Ford Pass and Tesla to get it that way?
It doesn't look like it.
They're 2 different protocols and Ford wants you to use the ISO 15118 so called "plug and charge" protocol meant for EA through Ford's own app which would have your billing info. I guess if the majority of their EV drivers use the Supercharger network more often from now on and all let Ford know, then perhaps Ford will change their minds.
But after you first set it up, using the Tesla app only takes as long as the time it takes you to get your phone out and select the correct charger. Most stations are not 100 plus stalls. Not yet, anyway. So only an additional 5 to 10 seconds.
For me in the Midwest I don’t have access to most Tesla Superchargers. Only some work with Ford Pass and the Tesla connector.
seems like your car has a few more options than mine, I do not have a charge assist button on my car, I just received the feedback button last week so maybe it will show up ??? I stopped guessing
I think the member rate will be the same rate that Tesla drivers pay.
Yeah, I just read that today, you are correct.
What is the rate?
@@CarlosPerezPhotography The Tesla Charging membership rate is $12.99/month which gives you a discounted charging rate that matches what Tesla drivers pay. Charging rates vary around the country and some states require per minutes charging instead of by the kWh which really is not the way to go so it's a little hard to generalize. I looked up a station just east of Topeka, KS that's open to non-Tesla's and they charge $0.46 kWh for non-Tesla's without a membership and $0.34 kWh to Tesla's and non-Tesla's with a membership. I think Electrify America has a similar discounted rate if you pay for a membership.
@@CarlosPerezPhotography As an example a Station just east of Topeka charges $0.46/kWh to non-Tesla's and $0.34/kWh to Tesla's.
Do you need to use Tesla app if you have membership and want discounts?
yup! - Liv
We are EA plus members and receive 25% off but you can’t use it thru plug & charge. So we will just stick to using the Tesla app that way we don’t have to turn on and off plug & charge.
Hopefully they update it so you can have Plug & Charge activated on one or the other - Liv
So I was wondering if you are a telsa member for the discounted rates, does that get passed onto you with plug and play on the ford app? Or would have to unlock it everytime with the tesla app?
The discount does not work with the Plug&Charge so you do have to use the Tesla app.
@@MachE_VLOG thanks for the clarification! Enjoying your videos! They made me finally pull the trigger and one for myself!
How did you get your Ford Pass to authorize the Tesla charger. I've tried 4 different locations and I get a message the chargers are not available even though I see Teslas charge. Ford offers no solution. I've had the car for close to 3 months now and get the pass around to multiple departments. Leave a phone number? They don't call back. Dealer says call customer care, pass off to someone else who then says take it to dealer. Does the car program have anything to do with this problem?
Update: Just saw the 4th way to charge. How did you get the charge assist ap on the car? It's not on my home page. Hope you can provide some insight on this.
I need more details. What adapter are you using? Did you try to just Plug & Charge? Did you try activating using the Tesla app?
So pretty much plug and charge from ford pass or blue oval network is the easiest (:
Very much so. Not necessarily the cheapest, but definitely the easiest.
Loving the content and learning about this. I just sent you an email to each of the email addresses I could find that has some info on the east coast Superchargers that have a better layout for Ford and other EV's.
Got it! Thanks so much for sharing info about the East Coast setup! We definitely need to get out there on the road for multiple reasons! - Liv
Is it possible to charge at Tesla without off-set parking?
I have the use the app to activate charging each time for my Lightning. The "Plug and Charge" did not work. How do you have it set up to do that? I also have a Telsa, and it's always "Plug and Charge" no app needed.
You have to enter your credit card info with your Ford account. Go to Ford.com, login and then under the Connected Services for your car, you'll see the BlueOval Charge Network. You can setup payment info there and turn on P&C.
Once you have done that, Tesla stations will work just like like they do with your Tesla. And you will also be able to use Plug&Charge with Electrify America stations as well.
Thanks. I have already have all that setup in the Ford and Tesla app. I am using the A2Z Typhoon Plug. It should work the same. Will try again
@@iMobileToyz Try it at an Electrify America station if you can. If it works at EA and not Tesla, your car hasn't gotten the Tesla Plug&Charge update yet. If it doesn't work at EA, something is wrong with your payment info or Ford account.
The Tesla members rates are much lower than Fords rates. Tesla rates vary with time of use, I generally see a savings of about $0.20 over Fords rates.
It varies by station and time of day. I've seen it as low as a 6 cents difference all the way up to 15 cents.
Beside ordering the adapters from four where else can I get one like fast
We have a video on one of the 3rd party adapters coming shortly
State of charge did a video on 2 3rd party adapters and they did not work.
@@everclearsolarpanelcleanin9089 Tom tested them with a Rivian - it was the vehicle that caused it not to work with the Supercharger not the 3rd party adapter.
Would it be possible to initiate the charge with the ford app and then connect a non Ford vehicle to the charger?
no, watch Tom's video, he tried it with his Rivian. Didn't work
Electrified America charges a fee for staying connected without charging as well.
They've only very recently began charging idles fees and at many stations they still don't.
Can I purchase this super adapter from Amazon?
No. You can get one from Ford for free if you own a Mach-E or Lightning. Or you can order an adapter from A2Z:
a2zevshop.com/collections/charging-adapters/products/nacs-ccs1?ref=machevlog&variant=43186507579592
Our review of the A2Z Typhoon NACS Adapter:
mustangmacheclub.org/a2z-typhoon-nacs-to-ccs-adapter/
Thank you so much!! Fords adapters are back ordered. I just bought my Mach E a couple months ago. I won’t get it till October. Bummer
Thank you Tesla for being # 1.
Should only be one way
Options are always nice.
Please, just pull the plug straight out. Don't reef on it up and down. You'll bend the pins. I realize in the video you're only wrecking your adapter and charge port, but if you're doing the same thing on public CCS stations you are wrecking the plugs that everyone has to use. Thanks
Ford Pass looks like the best way. No reason to share your credit card number with Tesla.
Yeah don’t share anything with Tesla that’s the spirit !
Shame shame
good call, if there’s a way to use it without putting musk on my personal phone or giving him my credit card information maybe i’ll do it in an emergency situation
Nice video. Can't wait for this to start working for my Rivian!
And we can’t wait to use Rivian Adventure Network! We regularly do a 400 mile trip to visit our grand baby. There is a convenient coffee stop with Chargepoint 60kw chargers that never go over 50kw. There are also some older Superchargers that aren’t on our charging map. The 10 Rivian chargers would be a welcome addition!
We still have 250kW of free charging from when we bought the MME last year so our next trip will be paid for with those kWs ;-)
FYI - Those 250 kW are only good on Electrify America.