I Charge On A Version 4 Tesla Supercharger For The First Time! Full Tour Of New Post & V3 Chargers
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- Kyle is in Best, Netherlands checking out the new V4 Supercharger that was just installed and charges a BMW iX from Sixt there!
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Bro can stretch 5 minutes of content into a 2-hour video like a boss
lol fr
They intend the cable to be centered, not stall centered
Basic rule.
If your vehicle charge port is in front of you, nose first.
If your port is behind you, reverse in.
Yup, this is what I was going to say. Looks like the cable is roughly centered on the spot, which makes a lot of sense.
Any chance you might be lobbying your boss to snag a bank of white labeled V4s?
makes sense
Came here to say the same thing
Where the cable is attached to the dispenser appears fairly centred.
Yep, exactly
No, the attachment point isn't centred, either. What is centred is the pivot point, which is slightly offset because the attachment point is recessed and has to go around the dispenser body when the cable is running off to the right side.
''Somewhere just south of Amsterdam''. Is actually in Best, near Eindhoven which is halfway across the country by Dutch standards. Just goes to show you how much distance perception can differ from country to country.
Greetings from London ("near" Wales)
@@rogerstarkey5390 Ah I have some relatives in Toronto, give them my regards!
He's from Colorado where it can be common to drive for an hour or more to get somewhere.
@@MrJustinOtis I know, it’s just funny to point it out.
I'm probably butchering this old quote, but Europeans think 100 miles is a long distance, just as Americans think 100 years is a long time.
9:00 if you look at where the cable start from the dispenser, then it's perfectly centered to the parking spot, there is no offset. It make sense coz you can reach left and right equally once you pull the cable out.
They are centered - on where the cable attachment begins - on the left edge of the dispenser. So that the cable can reach equidistant on either side of the vehicle
No-one has content like this except maybe Bjørn Nyland. Incredible and thank you.
Hey Kyle, you probably know, but I just saw it the other day, Tesla is putting in a Supercharger Station in Alamosa, CO. It's a charging desert for the most part down here, so this will help pull some EV's into the area, and also help travelers with a better route to Durango, and locations in SW CO. It's still being constructed, and is slated to open in Q2 '24. But I'm hoping it'll open ahead of time.
V3 dispensers?
Fantastic! Yeah, that will make a huge difference for trips to SW Colorado. In 5 years, the only trip I’ve ever taken in my Model 3 where I had range anxiety was going from Denver to Cortez, Colorado.
This opens up Western Colorado to Northern New Mexico (such as Santa Fe) with a much preferred route. I have wanted this for 6 years of Tesla ownership.
@anthonyc8499 I'm unsure as I was just passing by in traffic when I saw them. I couldn't see, but I'd be willing to bet they're V3 (do they even install V2 anymore?). Also not sure if they'll have the 'magic dock' or not, but my guess would be just NACS.
I'm glad they finally got them in Pueblo too
Would have been interesting to hear the problems the others were having and how you helped them solve them
you do such great video, and I really appreciate you traveling often long distances to reach sites like this.
These nice parking lot are pretty standard here in the netherlands. Glad to see you finally visit my country and enjoy the best roads in the world!
I've used x2 V4 units in my non-Tesla EV (Cupra Born) here in the UK and they've worked spot on!
Cool to see the longer cable means the dispenser doesn't have to be exactly centered in the stall to still reach different charge ports. I'm really looking forward to seeing these new V4s with built in Magic Docks go-live in the USA and for Tesla to switch entirely away from V3s for new stations.
You don't centre the box, you centre the cable.
@@rogerstarkey5390 there’s leeway now with the longer cable.
Cables look like they are hanging down in the middle of most stalls
I almost feel like it would be a waste to continue adding Magic Docks when just about everyone is switching to NACS. I’d rather they future proof them than add obsolete charging ports. People with CCS ports could just get adapters instead.
Awesome Kyle! 1000 volts and up to 1000 amps is pretty impressive.
The modules are shifted to the right, but the cable is basically located in the middle of each parking bay. I get the feeling that is what they were going for.
The cable runs down under the front cover to partially protect it plus it just creates a nice place for it to be stored in alignment and always look good. Tesla is always making their products visually appealing all the while extremely functional that's what I and most people love about them! ⚡⚡🚗🚗
Regarding dispenser’s off center location, it IS at a most accommodating spot. Because the top anchor of the cable is right at center of parking space so it can serve both right and left at equal distance!
Thank you Nokian!
lol "cablegate" like short cables are some kind of scandal. Glad you're enjoying your trip to Europe. Thanks for showing off this new V4 location.
I’ve used V4s several times. Look better in real life, however it would have been great to have red LED lights around to mimick the V2/V3s at night.
Exciting times! thx for bringing us this vid!
The dispensers appear to be offset just enough to put the static end of the cable right in the middle of the parking stall. This presumably makes them as ambidextrous as possible, meaning they reach ports equally well on both sides of the vehicle.
Got used to looking for the iconic Tesla chargers. Will have to get ready to look for the cemetery with these headstones…
Each will have an inscription along the lines of "here lies the corpse of "
Just in time for Halloween 🎃 🪦 🧛♂️
I love the American Express flex 💪🏾 . I was waiting for that😅😅.
Cool. A new V4 site here in Columbia South Carolina (Forest Dr.) is almost finished, and I can't wait to try it out
As an Australian, that charge port looks just right thanks very much. :)
Very good most interesting video I’ve seen in months
Used the new v4s last month on the M4 at Reading (UK) services. Gridserve chargers right next to the Tesla are 20p/kWh more crazy situation.
Interesting look at a charger in my home country. And not far from where I used to live too. But Best is VERY FAR outside Amsterdam, almost on the other side of the country 🙂
I wonder if they were planning to put in one more station but someone didn't make the slab big enough, and that's why one charger is still sitting there.
The left side of each dispenser is lined up with the center of the parking spot because that's the side that the cable is hanging from, so the cable hangs at the center of the parking spot and can reach equally far on both sides of the vehicle. So the offset makes total sense to me.
At the end the cable hang up on the bottom looks like it could be an easy fix by adjusting the front fascia to include a 45 degree angle instead of the flat bottom.
The pallet looks like the same unit as the ones behind it, if you look at the visible part, the feet and rivets matches the ones already installed.
The design is great, typical tesla look!❤️
These are fine but other V4’s are being mounted at the side in the traditional location. Those cables mean a very tight stretch for cars such as BMW or VW, especially for RHD cars. It means you can’t get the door open to get back in the car after you plug in.
Thanks for the video. I really think you could have highlighted the 1000V x 1000A = ONE MEGAWATT of charging!!
WOW that's 100% VAXED
Sitting here with great interest…but not because of the new chargers…but because (as I work with a lot of Civil Engineers) of the pavement they chose here. Wondering if the regulating authority is requiring pavement with less of a drainage impact. Pavers are pretty…but so expensive to install. Another great video! Thank you so much for your hard work!
I’ve been noticing that in these European videos. Almost every location he has been to has had pavers (Porsche, the “perfect” facility, etc). I’ve loved seeing it and have wished we used pavers more here in the states. With the increase in poured concrete, maybe the cost differential is shifting?
Perhaps the power cables are laid under the pavers. If the power cables need to be repaired or upgraded, then pavers are much cheaper and easier to take up and reuse, as opposed to having to break up and relay poured concrete.
@@daviddraddy pavers are pretty normal to the Netherlands, they are used almost everywhere where there are low car speeds.
Wouldn't be surprised if it was a code requirement to allow for easier access/repair/upgrade to power lines.
i do not know the regulation in NL but in germany you get charged for the amount of rainwater your facility is pouring in the sewage system of the community. so by using pavers that will let the water sip through into the ground and keeping the excess water on heavy rain on the site (like here where it looks like the lowest points are around the trees with soil around) you will reduce the running costs of the site and fill up the groundwater.
such a system is of course not allowed on a gas station with all the risk of spilling oil and gas. another bonus factor of e-mobility
Smart to put the charger on the left in the stall and the cable on the right - makes it easy for both Tesla owners and others.
Nice to see v.4 accommodates different port locations. I suspect, nonetheless, that it will be many, many years before they are widespread on this side of the pond.
These V4 Dispensers are very attractive. A clean, simple, black & white appearance.
Welcome to our beautiful country ma man!
It looks like the off-center placement of the unit, makes the cable centered for equal reach to both sides of the space.
They are in the middle, the cable drop line is central to the bay
I say BMW’s charge port is on the wrong side because having it on the driver’s side is obviously more convenient particularly in inclement weather.
The cable connection on the dispenser is centered to the parking space, which makes sense so the cable can reach either side of the vehicle.
Would you be able to check out the new one in Nevada? Thanks for the video Kyle!
Kyle what kind of hoodies do you wear? They look so great and comfortable!
They're offset from the space such that the cable is in the center of the parking space. This is perfect because it means it can reach either side.
Pretty sure I just seen like 10 new V4 Tesla charging stations in the Lowes parking lot (3625 N Commerce Dr, East Point, GA 30344) in Atlanta. Across the street in the Target parking lot are the older chargers.
I would assume that the BP Pulse branded Tesla superchargers will all be V4 when BP starts rolling them out across the USA. It won't be long before Exxon and others jump on the Tesla supercharger bandwagon and follow BP's lead.
They won’t because BP in the press release described them as 250 kw ie V3 cabinets still.
This man is so lucky
I think they look better. Classy.
Thanks for the video Kyle for another great location. Somehow the EU locations look much better than US. Maybe they are located in scenic areas.
CCS chargers can be hard to use in the US, not so much because the plug is so big, but the cable is big and sometimes rigid. Is that true for European non-Tesla CCS cables as well?
Thanks for this. Would love to see how it actually handles a vehicle above 400V
I think they look fine.
In my county in michigan. There are 0 tesla supercharhers. I have the telsa chager installed to my house, so i really never have to use one. They are putting a v4 charger at a meijer close by! Pretty pumped to see how well it will do!
8:37 The dispensers look to be positioned so that the tethered end of the charging cable is in the center of the stall. That means that the cable will have equal reach on either side of the vehicle. If the dispenser was centered, the cable would reach farther one side than the other. This also has the side effect of preferring Tesla's charging port placement by making that the shortest distance from dispenser holster to charging port.
Or maybe that's just where the old V3 dispensers were to reduce the amount of work in the site renovation? I don't think you mentioned if this was a new site or a refitted one.
No, this is not the V1-V3 position. Those sit on the line between the spots.
@@HenryLoenwind Ah, that makes sense. So probably more credence to the "equal length on both sides" theory.
"All chargers are equal, but some are more equal than others"? 😉
Most sites are limited at the transformer. They usually size them at expected average utilization rather than peak to save cost. The GetGo by my house has 8 Tesla chargers but the transformer is 500 kVA.
The hose is designed to go around the rounded bottom of the white cover, you have to move it out to use it, a good way to store the hose blending with the overall design of the Supercharger...
I tried to use the new V4 in Wilsonville OR with my model Y yesterday. Did not seem to be active though all the posts are uncovered and the site looks open.
I travel with a cargo tray on the back of my Model Y so the V4 extra cable length will be much appreciated. Currently, V3 cables just barely make it and I have to back up and just kiss the bollard at that.
Getting excited about chargers. We're all such nerds. 😁
What voltage feeds the charger.and is it 3 phase
Cool I was here few days ago. Its also right next to a tesla service / sales location
Welcome in NL Kyle!
Can you ascertain whether the BP chargers will be part of the route planner in teslas?
Don’t need to ascertain. BP in the press release said they will be. Unless Tesla removes them for lack of reliability which BP said will not happen, they will maintain the Tesla mandated reliability to keep them listed
It's obvious why the dispenser is offset based on where the end of the cable mounts.
wonder if that could be the communications cabinet for the payment maybe ??
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Hey Kyle there is also already one operational in Graz, Austria 🇦🇹 🙂👋🏻
cable is attached to the left side, that's why the unit is shifted to the side to allow the cable attachment point to be almost in the center. why don't you see this 😅😂
Where the cable leaves the dispenser seems closer to the center of the stall.
Very nice and sleek design! Reminds me of a giant PS5 😂
There is a new V4 supercharger in Wilsonville, OR (1st in the US, I think). I have not checked it out yet since it’s about 35 miles from my house, but intend to when in the neighborhood. Not clear how our Models 3 and Y will respond to the V4.
4d is not more centered. The parking space is a bit wider as per design guideline for a parking space on the far side of a row, atleast in the Netherlands.
At 8:41 -- You can see it *is* in fact centered: They centered it at the cable origination point so that the cable can reach either side equally well. If the charger itself was centered, the cable wouldn't be able to reach the Tesla side as easily.
The curbs are pre-fab sections. I'm not sure why they are still using the V3 cabinets - maybe just a short term thing until they roll out the V4 cabinets. It looks like all the posts are positioned the same to me.
it is the wrong side as Bjorn says .......because in a garage that is not super wide u park so that there is more space on the driver side and plugging in on the driver side is more conviniant and closer to u when u get out
Dude is driving a BMW IX. (loaner from BMW?). I haven't been keeping up with Kyle on his European Vacation but this video caught my eye.
Do you think these can do 1000V and 1000A at the same time, I.e. 1MW? 😮 Also, it looks like the cable could drag on the ground when you walk right next to the cabinet.
You missed his whole explanation while at the cabinets that they are still connected to 500 volt V3 cabinets.
The dispenser could, if it was equipped with the correct cable. The cable currently attached is limited to 625A.
No battery can accept max current at its max voltage, so the chargers ability to do it or not doesn't matter.
Neat! Measure the cabinet size.
You mentioned something in passing Tesla plan for this all along that’s how they were ready to go right away who does that?
So, this dispenser can deliver up to 1000V / 1000A, but where does the voltage get split? on the dispenser side or in the cabinet? Imagine if you're pulling up in your 800V Taycan next to a 400V model3. Will the Taycan then only get 400V and needs to boost itself up to 800V, because cabinet lowers to lowest denominator?
My guess is both. However it would require v4 cabinets with dual +500v rails. I'm guessing they'll run 3 conductors to the dispensers. Then the dispenser will have a contactor to connect the two +500v in series. It would double the wire length that way but at 800 to 1,000v that's probably not a big issue.
Actually now that I think about it you almost have to have two entirely separate 500&1000v rails at the cabinets with their own shared buss power. The dispenser still need three conductors with a contactor to switch between the 1000 and 500 rails.
DC-DC conversion is in the cabinet, right? So there is always target voltage on the run to the dispenser, and the dispenser only handles cable cooling. @@andrewt9204
Chargers don't operate at *either* 400V or 800V like that. The charger always has to precisely match the car pack voltage to supply the requested current. Car voltages vary across state of charge, so the charger is continuously adjusting. Tesla's are 300-400v; other cars are 600-700v.
At a charging station every car is at a slightly different voltage. The charger the car is connected to is adjusting the voltage as needed.
So in your case once Tesla actually supports up to 1000V the Taycan would get it's ideal voltage (around 800v) regardless of what other cars are adjacent.
My ancillary question is: Does the V4 dispenser have the same mounting footprint and bolt pattern as the V3 dispenser? If it does then Tesla could retrofit the existing V3 dispensers with V4's as an easy upgrade assuming existing feeder cables are sized correctly .
Yes sir, exact same
That's a giant first step. Hope they thought about headroom for more voltage/amps etc.@@electricfelix
I don't think the cable catching at the bottom is an issue. Who pulls the cable off and immediately pulls it away laterally, instead of take it to their car? lol cool to see so many v4 coming online though!
The output is centered, not the stall.
Kyle - have you guys tested out the new V4 superchargers in the USA (a new one opened in Atlanta by the airport). I love this review but could care less about V4 supercharging in the Netherlands 😎.
Can't wait for the Tesla NACS Connector and the Magic Dock to essentially "work". A few weeks ago, I decided to take a risk and charge my 2022 Volvo C40 Dual Motor EV at The Tesla Superchargers in Vicksburg, MS. Terrible charging experience! I loved the fact that the CCS Magic Dock was installed, but when I plugged it in, I couldn't really get a charge to go through from the Tesla "Charge your Non-Tesla" app. I tried this at 8 different stalls with the same connection error. So, I don't believe this is ready for Prime Time for Non-Tesla owners. Volvo Cars USA hasn't come out and certified the Magic Dock connection either. I landed up getting stranded in Vicksburg at 10% SOC and had to stay overnight at a hotel so I could charge at a L2 charger to my final destination (Baton Rouge, LA). I have had no issues going I40 East to Nashville, I40 West to Little Rock, AR and even Saint Louis (MO) utilizing Electrify America's DCFC
If two cabinets can do 500 Volts, with proper equipment, you can series them to together for 1000 Volts.
they havent got the rubber stops on the floor that you drive into so you stop in the correct position and not crash into the charger
Hope they replace or retrofit the V3 cabinets to support 1000V
I think they may replace them all together, hopefully recycling to make more V4s
Last job on the list.
I wonder if they could keep some v3 cabinets in place but not directly linked to a dispenser to provide the extra power Kyle talked about; hook up new v4 cabinets to the dispensers, old cabinets provide extra dc bus capacity
@@p5k6 I’ve speculated this for a while
V4 650 or 615 amp?
interesting, i much prefer the aesthetics of the V4 dispensers to the V3, they felt their age, which is coming up toa decade
Glad the paid ad was disclosed this time.. Good job Kyle.
They look like a ps5
The higher amperage (and longer cable) means the cable conductors must be thicker.
20:47 that moment when you realize youve entered electric hunger games 30 minutes for me 30 minutes for you 30 minutes for the next one that last guy is getting really shafted lol
Can’t wait to try it on my Ioniq 6.
V3 wasn’t working.
So hopefully this puts to rest all the nonsense everyone was referring to about cable length and fitment all around lol. It should’ve been obvious but it wasn’t. Also I think it looks fine. Very nostalgic in fact
Finally!
I would say just using a the brand new V3 in Calgary, the charger placement is poor as you have to line up the passenger tires almost on the line in order for the short version 3 cable to reach, likely poor positioning of the lines.