Public Charging has to get swipe to pay working as minimum level reliably. Pay by App and auto charge is great for people who have the time nerd out in the apps to figure out all the tweaks and special features. But as new EV owners come online they need the same pay experience that they have had at every gas station.
Great video. Love the channel. Your Rivian is a sweet ride. Two things I like about the PFJ locations vs SC is the PFJ are open 24/7/365 and also are always right off the interstates. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.
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Cool vídeo. First time here. I been driving EV for 7+ years(Model S) and about to take delivery of a Model X. Is great that Tesla open the chargers to all. I guess in a way welcome to the Tesla Family. 👍🏼
EVgo extensively tests their chargers. In fact, they've invited a couple different EV reporters to personally check out their testing facilities. The issue is, unlike Tesla, these charging providers are responsible for supporting all EVs, and so testing is a two-way street. We were already seeing the warts a bit with the number of issues being reported by non-Tesla EV owners attempting to use the Superchargers. Sometimes they just don't work. Is Tesla to blame? Or is it the automaker? Likely, it's a combination of a lot of different factors.
@@patrick7228I've heard autocharge doesn't work on the Rivian yet. I have an R1T. Supposedly you have to plug in, start charging, then stop charging then click autocharge on the app then start charging. By the time you do all that just use the regular app.
Thanks for advising about the GM Energy network, I wasn't aware. However, I'm not sure it makes sense to compare it to the Tesla network. More networks help the cause but 200 this year over the entire country will not be noticeable compared to the nearly 2000 Tesla stations and 21,853 SCs as of Oct. 2023. The canopy and pull through are indeed improvements but it appeared only four vehicles could be accommodated. Correct? That wouldn't cut it out west where EVs are ubiquitous. Personally, I don't care what the price per kWh. I'm looking for charging convenience and reliability. The SC network provides such for my Tesla and will with the adapter for my R1T. $0.49 vs $0.59 vs whatever per kWh is all chump change considering 90% of driving is done locally. Congrats on the 1K!
They have more than enough room to expand, but four is enough for now because when I looked at the EVgo app the other charger was last used 24 hours prior. The non Tesla chargers, like EA and EVgo, have very low use rates which may explain why they have poor up times. Also, out of all the times I have charged at non-Tesla charging stations it is rare to see more than two cars charging at the same time, and there may be less now the SC network is opening up. This is why I will stick with the non-Tesla chargers because I won't have to wait🤗 Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville Interesting perspective. So, if I understand you correctly, availability is more important than operability. That is, you would take your chances that at least one of the EA stations (for example) would work properly versus just about all the SCs work but you might have to wait. I think the wait issue is overblown. I have supercharged at least 50 times and have waited once for 5 minutes. The other benefit is plug and charge, no Apps, no CC, just juice. If you have experienced a RAN, it works the same way.
It's great seeing more videos showing the new charging networks as they build out. The Network Architect Channel has been featuring these GM Energy stations in the Southeast. He showed a Mercedes station too. No puil through at the Mercedes though. All the GM stations at the Pilot and Flying J sites seem to be pull through, and a bit pricey. But consistently good accomodations. All the best!
Thanks for the information! I will check out his channel. They are pricey, but GM owners get a discount, but I will pay a little extra for the location, security, and convenience. Thanks for commenting!
Trust me when I say Tesla's supercharger network is far superior to anything else out there. Tesla cars, Any Model is better than any other electric car out there. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, I'm telling you based on facts since 2013. If you're going electric, go Tesla or regret it later.
@@surfntrucks Lots of EV owners have no regrets, and that's true for non-Tesla owners as well as Tesla owners. It's true that Tesla has higher rates of user satisfaction. But EVs are improving across the board. Every EV model has several huge advantages over every comparable ICE vehicle, and EVs are still getting better.
@@davidmenasco5743 I am bias for a reason. My government failed to push America forward in terms of innovation and quality of life for average Americans. I live in New York City and I've witness the air quality change when cars weren't able to drive in the city. No pollution, not fumes, the best air quality I've experienced in years. You can visibly see the difference. I know Electric cars are better than gas cars. Instant torque. The possibility to charge at home. Out of all of the legacy car makers, Tesla was the only car company that took electric cars seriously since 2013. We are in 2024 now and no car maker has a car that can compete with Tesla. Not in charging network or over the air updates, or battery safety, or crash safety. I can go on, but my point is, I am not rewarding any other car company because they failed to take electric cars seriously. They made ugly cars that the general public doesn't want. All they had to do was make an electric Honda civic that looks like a gas Honda civic. An electric mustang that looks like a gas mustang. An electric F150 that looks like a gas F150. I'll never forget Honda's promised hydrogen car from the 90s, 00s that's not even in production today. What a sham. I reward Tesla for leading the way. No other car company takes electric vehicles seriously. It's Tesla that's going to make Fisker, Rivian, Lucid and legacy electric cars viable that's to Tesla's forward thinking with the supercharger network. Supercharging is going to be a horrible experience for Tesla owners going forward but opening the network was always Elon's plan.
@@surfntrucks There is much truth in what you say. Legacy auto has dragged it's feet on EV development to a degree that is really seriously criminal. But today, at least some of them are trying to make EVs. Ford has done pretty well with theirs, as a first effort. Likewise Hyundai group. None compete with Tesla in some important areas. But they do have their own strengths, and their customers are happy. The EV transition can't be completed without the participation of many automakers and many charging providers.
11:09 You were correct with your initial statement that V3 Superchargers load-share, but unlike V2 Superchargers that only share across a single cabinet, V3 share across the entire site. That's why people are confused about the load sharing, but EVs will start to run into charging power limits at V3 Superchargers after the site reaches a certain capacity. Right now, that rarely happens because it's mostly just Tesla EVs using the Superchargers, and they have a very early and abrupt taper on their charging curves. As more non-Tesla EVs start to use V3, this load-sharing will become more noticeable because many non-Tesla EVs will hold their peak (or at least higher) charging power for longer. Fairly soon, it's going to be common to have ~50% of the stalls at a V3 Supercharger occupied with EVs requesting 200+ kW, and at that point, most people are going to have their charging speeds limited. This is possibly the reason Tesla limited the Magic Dock connector to 350 A (essentially peak 150 kW), and it will be interesting to see if they limit EVs from other automakers in the same way (Ford and GM should be getting their adapters and access to the Superchargers next month).
Thanks for the video. A couple things so far. Most of these GM-EVgo sites won't end up being NEVI funded (I think only two out of several hundred so far are), and I think that's a good thing. It means they aren't waiting on those additional, outside funds to build them. Also, I've been thinking about how Rivian is going to fit in with the other networks. The choice to put the charging port upfront works for most pull-in style chargers, but these pull-through stalls were designed to support trucks with EV ports toward the rear (or middle when they are pulling trailers). There's probably enough room to navigate, but the R1T definitely wants to be using a charger at the end of a pull-through stall, not the middle.
These PFJ stations are awesome. For the price premium of $0.10 over EA for 50kWh you’re talking $5 more. I’d argue you get a lot for that $5 vs what you’d get in a Walmart (or worse) parking lot. Your five bucks buys you: Working chargers, amazingly clean 24/7 bathrooms, food options, trash and squeegees, maybe a canopy with lights. Was it just me or was that parked pickup truck being a jackhole being all caddywompus into the charging stall.
That seems expensive for that area, especially compared to the price a gas from the sign. It looks like it's about as much as gas would be for those miles.
Hmmm...good video...not sure what the issue is but my Ioniq5 we just plug in at EV Go and it charges just fine...no issues. We where at the Flying J in Perrysburg, OH just after it opened and worked flawlessly...peaked at 235kw. Went from 15% SOC to 83% in 19 minutes. And yes these are fairly pricey...I have not had the opportunity to try the Tesla Magic Dock yet. And yes we love the canopy and the trash cans!! Thank you for the video! Mike 🇨🇦
That's awesome! And thanks for subscribing! It may be worth the extra money to take advantage of that 800 V platform. You won't get those charging speeds at a supercharger. I wonder if Tesla fixed the supercharger interface issues with Hyundai and Kia?
Those South Korean cars are BEASTS. Hyundai / Kia / Genesis decided to go with 800 volt architecture, and quick charging is all about your volts multiplied by amps. These 350kW stations are 1000 volts by 350 amps maximum, and your Hyundai IONIQ5 can pull 800 volts at 300 amps (so a 240kW top of the curve) which means you can get in, start the charge, go for a pee, get a drink and a snack, and get out - most other non-luxury / non-truck EVs are only 400 volt cars so they only peak at half the level. Yeah, I definitely want an IONIQ6 for my next car. And kudos to The Duke for a great video. Maybe Flying J / Pilot will listen and get some of those combination trash can / paper towel dispenser / squeegee stations from ULINE for these new locations (model H-9506, in case they're reading!).
I’m in Illinois as well. Im surprised to see tax on top of the KWh in Missouri. The price of public chargers is way higher than with Tesla Superchargers in my experience so far.
I was shocked at the price. This was the highest I have ever seen. I was paying $0.32 per KWH at EA, but I am will to pay more to charge at a charger that has a good location and amenities. Good to hear from a fellow Illinoisan. Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville I wish EA was that cheap by me. They're all $0.48/ per Kwh. I am happy with my Model 3 but would like other options for a second EV. Currently, I'm paying from as low as $0.17 to $0.43 for Superchargers. Wally is still my new favorite stop going across the state.
Thanks for sharing. Precondition that battery and don't charge until under 20%. Only plug in until 80%. That will give you the best charging curve and final price and least wait time. Love the canopy. The windshield washers might be inside because of Winter. Cheers!
I think they should double the number of Chargers. But looks great. I'm looking forward to seeing them installed at the flying J's and Pilots in Northern Nevada..
Duke, I think your Tesla folks were incorrectly correcting you. All Tesla Superchargers load share in that the power cabinets on V3 (and current V4 dispenser locations) use V3 cabinets which are rated at 360kW and generally configured to 4 stalls, they also have a backbone between cabinets (that sometimes fails) but when working allows sharing across more than the 4 stalls named A,B,C,D. But if the station is full ten cars would be limited to 90kW if all cars could use over 90kW or even a half full station would be limited to 180kW per stall if the cars were all wanting 180+kW. This is an important detail that many don’t bring up. Generally EA and other Public Chargers don’t over provision as much as Tesla does. Kinda like quantity vs quality.
i have debut edition, one of my sons just traded mach e for lyriq sport,, i also have eqs 580 , and had a mach e ,,so really feel the lyriq is a fine car , but i have heard different stories ,,conclusion know the quality of the dealer you buy from small chance that if there were problems you must have a good service dept.,, i have mine almost a year with some very very minor issues that were very well corrected nothing mechanical at all ,car is very well priced with govt rebate
Hey The Duke of Manville, I'm just trolling on your channel. I'm glad you got an electric vehicle period. Glad you're making videos. Tesla is my brand like people pick Ford over Chevy. I'm come there to check out your Tesla videos.
From 9 am - 7 pm Tesla superchargers in St Louis show a cost of $0.37, all other times are $0.23 - 0.25, though that is from the Tesla app on a Tesla. I’m not sure if there is surcharge for non-teslas, though I would hope not.
Non-Tesla owners like me have to pay more for the SC, and I believe that is fair since there is an extra cost to Tesla, and it will make charging more challenging for current Tesla owners. Thanks for commenting!
...as far as better then GM, that new unnamed 7 company consortium I think is going to be the best in the world whenever they get started. Again, thx for the vid.
I just watched a bunch of your videos, and I want to thank you for all of the valuable work you have done to educate the EV community. I am looking forward to all of the updates you are providing on all of the new charging infrastructure being installed across the country. Awesome work!
@@thedukeofmiddleville the first time you have enroll the Rivian vin after that it just works. And you beat me to 1k subs fair and square just barely 😥
math isn't my strong suit, but if I did it right, comparing our Bolt to our RAV4, the KW you bought (about 149mi of range in the Bolt) would be approx 5.9c/mi for the Bolt.. and assuming about $3/gal for gas right now about 9.4c/mi to travel the same distance in the RAV, so a litte more than 50% of the cost to go EV vs ICE. If you don't have a "membership" for that particular charger network I'm sure it's much closer to parity. When it comes to a Chevy Bolt, if you're ever forced to use a DCFC that charges by the minute + Kw, it's hardly worth it.. just drive the ICE :/
Thank you! I failed to mention that in this video. A lot of chargers are being installed very quickly, and NEVI funded charges have just started to be installed.
Thanks for keeping us informed good video. Does your navigation needs a subscription to a internet provider. Like ford you have to subscribe to the service.
Based on the prices at that gas station (Gas $2.50 per gallon and Diesel $3.20 per gallon) and the price you paid and what your Rivian screen displayed, it looks like you are getting the equivalent of 9 miles per gallon compared to a gas truck and 11.4 miles per gallon compared to a diesel truck.
Any word on getting Autocharge activated for EVgo on your Rivian? There's got to be someone to talk to and let them know that it hasn't been working for you. I've only had Autocharge fail to activate a few times in the last couple of years, and it was always due to the charger itself losing connection (i.e., no payment options worked).
does the tesla supercharger show the peak and off peak price on a non tesla? I mean if your traveling you can't help but charge when you need to, just curious if it shows? Off peak is usually less than half the cost at the supercharger near me.
A Major difference is state of charge being so high and lack of warming battery with precoditioning. It would be more reasonable for you to show charging under warmer conditions and lower charge state. Congrats on the 1004 subscribers, meaning I added you :)
I was hoping to have a lower state of charge, but I under estimate my Rivian's efficiency, even in cold weather😅 Thanks for commenting and subscribing! I really appreciate it 🙏
I covered this in a previous video, along with the press release from gm announcing the partnership with Pilot Travel (Flying J) and EVgo to install 200 locations targeted by the end of 2024. In total, the network will include up to 2,000 high-power fast charging stalls at up to 500 Pilot and Flying J travel centers across the U.S. Also, GM owners will get discounted charging.
It’s not fast enough to be charging that price. If it truly supercharged it in say 5 mins it would be worth the price. But that slow to charge should be discounted. There’s not much convenience
Its not bad at all if you are taking a road trip. In fact, my family and I looked forward to the charging stops on our road trips. For some reason the road trips are so much less stressful. However, If I had to rely on public charging all the time, it might get annoying.
@@thedukeofmiddleville I beg to differ with you . Here on the East Coast we have Pilot/GM stations and stand alone GM stations . I have seen prices from 35 cents to 50 cents. Depending where you are in the mid Atlantic. For day to day driving nothing beats charging at home or using the FREE chargers both level 1 and level 2. For most of us. If you have a Dryer Outlet you are good to go.
@@darkerbrother1 Pilot/EVgo have price as high as $0.85 per kwh. See this video: th-cam.com/video/84Los-iG3mc/w-d-xo.html Also, not everyone has access to home charging.
i just got done watching yoru video about public charging being twice as exspensive as gas. strike one lol... sides that, i'd like to point out the battery fire hazards of an EV and putting into perspective a battery catching on fire near a gas station. that will be a very bad day for some folks at this location. i can tell ya lol
Having owned a Tesla Model S for 5 years, i think when you get into the 60 cents + per kWh , unless you're a "tree hugger", gas powered vehicles are less expensive to operate, and MUCH more convenient! At my home charger, it cost me 10 cents per kWh.
I feel like this "copy a gas pump footprint" will not be cost competitive. That's a huge foot print for 4 chargers. This will have unacceptably small throughput. And scaling it will just not make economical sense. Maybe the tax payer is footing the bill, so who cares right?
I agree; from a charging perspective that this is not cost competitive, however, gas station owners make most of their profits in their stores, on sales of food and drinks, as well as alcohol where sales are legal. As such, EV charging has the opportunity to greatly improve profits since it takes a lot longer to charge than to fill up with gas. In urban and rural areas people use gas stations for grocery stores which will improve contact time since the customer may be charging for a half hour or more. In addition, the gm Energy/EVgo/Flying J chargers that have been installed did not receive any NEVI funding, but there are Federal and State incentives to install EV chargers since it is a significant investment with no guaranteed ROI for the purchaser. Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
If I am pulling a trailer, I will drive right by the station with no pull through chargers to go to one that does. In fact, even without a trailer, I will still choose the pull through first to reward the station for thinking about truck drivers. So the one trying to maximize number of chargers per area will make zero profit from me. Besides, it would be the grid connection, not the space, that would be the bottleneck at most places using 350 kW chargers. Now for a mall or park using level 2 chargers, putting 1 per parking space makes sense.
The canopy is nice. And being pull thru is great if you were pulling a trailer. All that said, it consumes a lot of space. Those type of stalls should be reserved for vehicles pulling trailers. Vehicles not pulling trailers using the typical Tesla SuperChargers use the parking space more efficiently. Adding canopies to those would be nice, and I suspect it will happen over time. It will be interesting to see how the design of the typical “gas station” evolves over the next couple of decades as the transition to EVs occurs.
@@TroySavary you’ll drive right by open chargers and then you be waiting for 45 minutes at this one BEFORE plugging in. Also, there’s nothing stopping regular charging spots from putting some drive through friendly pedestals in.
@@ultrastoat3298 Why woukd I bexwaiting 45 minutes? If it is full, I would go elsewhere. I am not the one who said you can't mix the two types. You are the one claiming pull through are a waste of space.
Cybertruck has terrible highway range and a crappy charging curve. It costs more, and doesn't have a 3rd row seat. What would possibly make an R1S owner downgrade?
There is no way I would downgrade from a Rivian R1T to a Cybertruck, or a Model X minivan. The Rivian R1S, which is an actual SUV, is far superior to the Model X, and my wife hates the looks Cybertruck.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Pharrell Williams knew to get a Cybertruck. The Rivian is ugly compared to the Cybertruck. Those eyeball looking lights? Get out of here with that. No one cares about a Rivian. The company is not forward thinking and thank Jeff from Amazon for keeping that company afloat. Cybertruck redefined truck. Even gas truck owners respect the Cybertruck. Tell you wife you want the safest truck for your family. Above 5 star rating. Again, Pharrell Williams knows the Cybertruck is superior. Back to the forward thinking. No other car company decided to create a nationwide charging network. To say Tesla cars are not superior is just false. Look at the numbers. Facts are facts, Rivians are like punch buggies, Sure they are different but they look comical. Insulting your Rivian will only make you double down because we did this in public instead of a private email, but you've had a Rivian for how long and your channel doesn't get views. As soon as you started posting about Tesla, now you get views. Get a Cybertruck or borrow one for reviews and see what the views are like. Out of Spec Reviews just did a long video about the Cybertruck and check their views. Very few people want a Rivian. Trust me.
@@TroySavary The Rivian is so ugly. I just check the website to verify your claims and I see they were false. The Cybertruck is better in every way. I admit, the interior you like is personal preference. I like the Cybertrucks interior. I like Tesla's technology. Last thing, his 3rd row seat usage may be for luggage anyway, just throw that stuff in the bak of the Cybertruck. But all of this doesn't matter because he may not be able to get one for at least another year.
@@surfntrucks Rivian gets more real world range. Cybertruck got 254 miles on a highway test. Rivian is more efficient. Tow rating is equal between them. Ugly? No vehicle on the road looks worse than this stainless steel urinal. Rivian has a proper instrunent panel, and doesn't use the touchscreen to shift and control wipers. Rivian is probably better off road, but Tesla is afraid to let people really test that. Cybertruck is quicker in the drag strip. Hurray for the 5 people in the world who think that is what a pickup is for. And as an added bonus, Rivian doesn't have a Nazi supporting man-child for a CEO. Also, how nice if you to decide for him what he needs a third row for. That's the other reason not to drive a Tesla. Not belonging to a community with people like you.
Public Charging has to get swipe to pay working as minimum level reliably. Pay by App and auto charge is great for people who have the time nerd out in the apps to figure out all the tweaks and special features. But as new EV owners come online they need the same pay experience that they have had at every gas station.
I agree. Thanks for commenting!
Great video. Love the channel. Your Rivian is a sweet ride. Two things I like about the PFJ locations vs SC is the PFJ are open 24/7/365 and also are always right off the interstates. Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching.
Thanks! The location is a big selling point for me, so I might have to get a GM EV to get a discounted rate.
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Cool vídeo. First time here. I been driving EV for 7+ years(Model S) and about to take delivery of a Model X. Is great that Tesla open the chargers to all. I guess in a way welcome to the Tesla Family. 👍🏼
Thank!!
Seems like Tesla actually tested the chargers before releasing them to the public. Unlike all the other companies.
EVgo extensively tests their chargers. In fact, they've invited a couple different EV reporters to personally check out their testing facilities. The issue is, unlike Tesla, these charging providers are responsible for supporting all EVs, and so testing is a two-way street. We were already seeing the warts a bit with the number of issues being reported by non-Tesla EV owners attempting to use the Superchargers. Sometimes they just don't work. Is Tesla to blame? Or is it the automaker? Likely, it's a combination of a lot of different factors.
The non tesla infrastructure is frustrating. Plug in and charge is so smooth with the Tesla network.
I have never had an issue with charging on road trips, and it is only getting better. And having access to the Tesla Superchargers is a nice backup.
Plug in and charge has been great at EVGO for my non Tesla. Never an issue.
Plug and charge works perfect on my bolt. Just plug in and it starts. About a 30 seconds hand shake
Plugin and charge have been working great for me. I don’t feel like I have a need for Tesla charging network.
@@patrick7228I've heard autocharge doesn't work on the Rivian yet. I have an R1T. Supposedly you have to plug in, start charging, then stop charging then click autocharge on the app then start charging. By the time you do all that just use the regular app.
Congratulations on surpassing 1K subscribers!
Thanks! I really appreciate it!
Thanks for advising about the GM Energy network, I wasn't aware. However, I'm not sure it makes sense to compare it to the Tesla network. More networks help the cause but 200 this year over the entire country will not be noticeable compared to the nearly 2000 Tesla stations and 21,853 SCs as of Oct. 2023. The canopy and pull through are indeed improvements but it appeared only four vehicles could be accommodated. Correct? That wouldn't cut it out west where EVs are ubiquitous. Personally, I don't care what the price per kWh. I'm looking for charging convenience and reliability. The SC network provides such for my Tesla and will with the adapter for my R1T. $0.49 vs $0.59 vs whatever per kWh is all chump change considering 90% of driving is done locally. Congrats on the 1K!
They have more than enough room to expand, but four is enough for now because when I looked at the EVgo app the other charger was last used 24 hours prior. The non Tesla chargers, like EA and EVgo, have very low use rates which may explain why they have poor up times.
Also, out of all the times I have charged at non-Tesla charging stations it is rare to see more than two cars charging at the same time, and there may be less now the SC network is opening up. This is why I will stick with the non-Tesla chargers because I won't have to wait🤗
Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville Interesting perspective. So, if I understand you correctly, availability is more important than operability. That is, you would take your chances that at least one of the EA stations (for example) would work properly versus just about all the SCs work but you might have to wait. I think the wait issue is overblown. I have supercharged at least 50 times and have waited once for 5 minutes. The other benefit is plug and charge, no Apps, no CC, just juice. If you have experienced a RAN, it works the same way.
Thanks for this. In STL-glad to know of this station.
No problem!
It's great seeing more videos showing the new charging networks as they build out.
The Network Architect Channel has been featuring these GM Energy stations in the Southeast. He showed a Mercedes station too.
No puil through at the Mercedes though. All the GM stations at the Pilot and Flying J sites seem to be pull through, and a bit pricey. But consistently good accomodations.
All the best!
Thanks for the information! I will check out his channel. They are pricey, but GM owners get a discount, but I will pay a little extra for the location, security, and convenience.
Thanks for commenting!
Trust me when I say Tesla's supercharger network is far superior to anything else out there. Tesla cars, Any Model is better than any other electric car out there. I'm not a Tesla fanboy, I'm telling you based on facts since 2013. If you're going electric, go Tesla or regret it later.
@@surfntrucks Lots of EV owners have no regrets, and that's true for non-Tesla owners as well as Tesla owners.
It's true that Tesla has higher rates of user satisfaction. But EVs are improving across the board.
Every EV model has several huge advantages over every comparable ICE vehicle, and EVs are still getting better.
@@davidmenasco5743 I am bias for a reason. My government failed to push America forward in terms of innovation and quality of life for average Americans. I live in New York City and I've witness the air quality change when cars weren't able to drive in the city. No pollution, not fumes, the best air quality I've experienced in years. You can visibly see the difference. I know Electric cars are better than gas cars. Instant torque. The possibility to charge at home. Out of all of the legacy car makers, Tesla was the only car company that took electric cars seriously since 2013. We are in 2024 now and no car maker has a car that can compete with Tesla. Not in charging network or over the air updates, or battery safety, or crash safety. I can go on, but my point is, I am not rewarding any other car company because they failed to take electric cars seriously. They made ugly cars that the general public doesn't want. All they had to do was make an electric Honda civic that looks like a gas Honda civic. An electric mustang that looks like a gas mustang. An electric F150 that looks like a gas F150. I'll never forget Honda's promised hydrogen car from the 90s, 00s that's not even in production today. What a sham. I reward Tesla for leading the way. No other car company takes electric vehicles seriously. It's Tesla that's going to make Fisker, Rivian, Lucid and legacy electric cars viable that's to Tesla's forward thinking with the supercharger network. Supercharging is going to be a horrible experience for Tesla owners going forward but opening the network was always Elon's plan.
@@surfntrucks There is much truth in what you say. Legacy auto has dragged it's feet on EV development to a degree that is really seriously criminal.
But today, at least some of them are trying to make EVs. Ford has done pretty well with theirs, as a first effort. Likewise Hyundai group. None compete with Tesla in some important areas. But they do have their own strengths, and their customers are happy.
The EV transition can't be completed without the participation of many automakers and many charging providers.
And this is the reason I got a Tesla. Can’t beat the ease of their superchargers!
11:09 You were correct with your initial statement that V3 Superchargers load-share, but unlike V2 Superchargers that only share across a single cabinet, V3 share across the entire site. That's why people are confused about the load sharing, but EVs will start to run into charging power limits at V3 Superchargers after the site reaches a certain capacity. Right now, that rarely happens because it's mostly just Tesla EVs using the Superchargers, and they have a very early and abrupt taper on their charging curves. As more non-Tesla EVs start to use V3, this load-sharing will become more noticeable because many non-Tesla EVs will hold their peak (or at least higher) charging power for longer.
Fairly soon, it's going to be common to have ~50% of the stalls at a V3 Supercharger occupied with EVs requesting 200+ kW, and at that point, most people are going to have their charging speeds limited. This is possibly the reason Tesla limited the Magic Dock connector to 350 A (essentially peak 150 kW), and it will be interesting to see if they limit EVs from other automakers in the same way (Ford and GM should be getting their adapters and access to the Superchargers next month).
I like the cover for rain or snow!!
That is one of the best features!
They just installed these stations in Texas and Oklahoma.
59 cents a kw?! That is highway robbery.
Thanks for the video. A couple things so far. Most of these GM-EVgo sites won't end up being NEVI funded (I think only two out of several hundred so far are), and I think that's a good thing. It means they aren't waiting on those additional, outside funds to build them.
Also, I've been thinking about how Rivian is going to fit in with the other networks. The choice to put the charging port upfront works for most pull-in style chargers, but these pull-through stalls were designed to support trucks with EV ports toward the rear (or middle when they are pulling trailers). There's probably enough room to navigate, but the R1T definitely wants to be using a charger at the end of a pull-through stall, not the middle.
Thank you. Your videos are always so informative.
Thanks 🙏
These PFJ stations are awesome. For the price premium of $0.10 over EA for 50kWh you’re talking $5 more. I’d argue you get a lot for that $5 vs what you’d get in a Walmart (or worse) parking lot. Your five bucks buys you: Working chargers, amazingly clean 24/7 bathrooms, food options, trash and squeegees, maybe a canopy with lights.
Was it just me or was that parked pickup truck being a jackhole being all caddywompus into the charging stall.
It’s not you. That pickup definitely tried to ICE a charger somewhat.
And yes Duke I just subscribed! 😊
Mike 🇨🇦
Thanks!🙏
That seems expensive for that area, especially compared to the price a gas from the sign. It looks like it's about as much as gas would be for those miles.
I was thinking the same thing when I saw how much they were charging per KWH.😅
Hmmm...good video...not sure what the issue is but my Ioniq5 we just plug in at EV Go and it charges just fine...no issues.
We where at the Flying J in Perrysburg, OH just after it opened and worked flawlessly...peaked at 235kw. Went from 15% SOC to 83% in 19 minutes.
And yes these are fairly pricey...I have not had the opportunity to try the Tesla Magic Dock yet. And yes we love the canopy and the trash cans!!
Thank you for the video!
Mike 🇨🇦
That's awesome! And thanks for subscribing! It may be worth the extra money to take advantage of that 800 V platform. You won't get those charging speeds at a supercharger.
I wonder if Tesla fixed the supercharger interface issues with Hyundai and Kia?
Those South Korean cars are BEASTS. Hyundai / Kia / Genesis decided to go with 800 volt architecture, and quick charging is all about your volts multiplied by amps. These 350kW stations are 1000 volts by 350 amps maximum, and your Hyundai IONIQ5 can pull 800 volts at 300 amps (so a 240kW top of the curve) which means you can get in, start the charge, go for a pee, get a drink and a snack, and get out - most other non-luxury / non-truck EVs are only 400 volt cars so they only peak at half the level.
Yeah, I definitely want an IONIQ6 for my next car.
And kudos to The Duke for a great video. Maybe Flying J / Pilot will listen and get some of those combination trash can / paper towel dispenser / squeegee stations from ULINE for these new locations (model H-9506, in case they're reading!).
I’m in Illinois as well. Im surprised to see tax on top of the KWh in Missouri. The price of public chargers is way higher than with Tesla Superchargers in my experience so far.
I was shocked at the price. This was the highest I have ever seen. I was paying $0.32 per KWH at EA, but I am will to pay more to charge at a charger that has a good location and amenities.
Good to hear from a fellow Illinoisan. Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville I wish EA was that cheap by me. They're all $0.48/ per Kwh. I am happy with my Model 3 but would like other options for a second EV. Currently, I'm paying from as low as $0.17 to $0.43 for Superchargers. Wally is still my new favorite stop going across the state.
I am waiting for one of these to complete just outside my hometown in Texas. Will allow me to drive EV there.
Right on!
Thanks for sharing. Precondition that battery and don't charge until under 20%. Only plug in until 80%. That will give you the best charging curve and final price and least wait time.
Love the canopy. The windshield washers might be inside because of Winter.
Cheers!
Thanks for the info!
I think they should double the number of Chargers. But looks great. I'm looking forward to seeing them installed at the flying J's and Pilots in Northern Nevada..
You and me both!
Duke, I think your Tesla folks were incorrectly correcting you. All Tesla Superchargers load share in that the power cabinets on V3 (and current V4 dispenser locations) use V3 cabinets which are rated at 360kW and generally configured to 4 stalls, they also have a backbone between cabinets (that sometimes fails) but when working allows sharing across more than the 4 stalls named A,B,C,D. But if the station is full ten cars would be limited to 90kW if all cars could use over 90kW or even a half full station would be limited to 180kW per stall if the cars were all wanting 180+kW.
This is an important detail that many don’t bring up. Generally EA and other Public Chargers don’t over provision as much as Tesla does. Kinda like quantity vs quality.
Thanks for sharing this information!
Tesla has pull through stations on many of their sites. Maybe not in your area.
I haven't seen any in my area, but thanks for the information that's good to know!
i have debut edition, one of my sons just traded mach e for lyriq sport,, i also have eqs 580 , and had a mach e ,,so really feel the lyriq is a fine car , but i have heard different stories ,,conclusion know the quality of the dealer you buy from small chance that if there were problems you must have a good service dept.,, i have mine almost a year with some very very minor issues that were very well corrected nothing mechanical at all ,car is very well priced with govt rebate
The Lyriq is high on the list for my wife's car. Thanks for the info 👍
Hey The Duke of Manville, I'm just trolling on your channel. I'm glad you got an electric vehicle period. Glad you're making videos. Tesla is my brand like people pick Ford over Chevy. I'm come there to check out your Tesla videos.
Thank you for tuning in, and you are welcome on my channel!
From 9 am - 7 pm Tesla superchargers in St Louis show a cost of $0.37, all other times are $0.23 - 0.25, though that is from the Tesla app on a Tesla. I’m not sure if there is surcharge for non-teslas, though I would hope not.
Non-Tesla owners like me have to pay more for the SC, and I believe that is fair since there is an extra cost to Tesla, and it will make charging more challenging for current Tesla owners.
Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville - from the moment Tesla released the model 3 charging started getting more congested.
...as far as better then GM, that new unnamed 7 company consortium I think is going to be the best in the world whenever they get started. Again, thx for the vid.
I just watched a bunch of your videos, and I want to thank you for all of the valuable work you have done to educate the EV community. I am looking forward to all of the updates you are providing on all of the new charging infrastructure being installed across the country.
Awesome work!
Plug and charge works!
It might be my Rivian because I know you have gotten it to work.
@@thedukeofmiddleville the first time you have enroll the Rivian vin after that it just works. And you beat me to 1k subs fair and square just barely 😥
math isn't my strong suit, but if I did it right, comparing our Bolt to our RAV4, the KW you bought (about 149mi of range in the Bolt) would be approx 5.9c/mi for the Bolt.. and assuming about $3/gal for gas right now about 9.4c/mi to travel the same distance in the RAV, so a litte more than 50% of the cost to go EV vs ICE. If you don't have a "membership" for that particular charger network I'm sure it's much closer to parity. When it comes to a Chevy Bolt, if you're ever forced to use a DCFC that charges by the minute + Kw, it's hardly worth it.. just drive the ICE :/
for the Price you paid is worth it.
Not when gas is only $2.49 😅
They put in 25 sites last year at a fairly quick pace
Thank you! I failed to mention that in this video. A lot of chargers are being installed very quickly, and NEVI funded charges have just started to be installed.
Thanks for keeping us informed good video. Does your navigation needs a subscription to a internet provider. Like ford you have to subscribe to the service.
You're welcome! No subscription is needed for anything on the Rivian.
Based on the prices at that gas station (Gas $2.50 per gallon and Diesel $3.20 per gallon) and the price you paid and what your Rivian screen displayed, it looks like you are getting the equivalent of 9 miles per gallon compared to a gas truck and 11.4 miles per gallon compared to a diesel truck.
Tesla is just built to a different standard!!
did you wind up needing use the ev go app , and did the x=screen make that clear ? cause plug and play didn't work
I can't get the EVgo plug and charge to work with my Rivian, so I just used the app to start to charging session.
Thanks for commenting!
Any word on getting Autocharge activated for EVgo on your Rivian? There's got to be someone to talk to and let them know that it hasn't been working for you. I've only had Autocharge fail to activate a few times in the last couple of years, and it was always due to the charger itself losing connection (i.e., no payment options worked).
perfect for lyriq , as version 3 teslamagic dock don't reach
I have my eye on the Lyriq as well. One might be joining the family soon!
Last check EVgo’s autocharge doesn’t work with Rivian.
EVGo pricing structure has gone through the roof!
Yes it has!
The vehicle is nearly always responsible for throttling the charge speed, not the charging equipment.
My car will tell you if its the vehicle or the charger.
does the tesla supercharger show the peak and off peak price on a non tesla? I mean if your traveling you can't help but charge when you need to, just curious if it shows? Off peak is usually less than half the cost at the supercharger near me.
A Major difference is state of charge being so high and lack of warming battery with precoditioning. It would be more reasonable for you to show charging under warmer conditions and lower charge state. Congrats on the 1004 subscribers, meaning I added you :)
I was hoping to have a lower state of charge, but I under estimate my Rivian's efficiency, even in cold weather😅
Thanks for commenting and subscribing! I really appreciate it 🙏
All of them should work like the Tesla Superchargers are they should just work and charge your account access your chip builtin to you car.
They have plug and charge, but it just won't work on my Rivian. Others can get it to work.
I thought gm had a partnership with evgo. Who also has a partnership with pilots
GM has multiple partnerships.
I covered this in a previous video, along with the press release from gm announcing the partnership with Pilot Travel (Flying J) and EVgo to install 200 locations targeted by the end of 2024. In total, the network will include up to 2,000 high-power fast charging stalls at up to 500 Pilot and Flying J travel centers across the U.S. Also, GM owners will get discounted charging.
It’s not fast enough to be charging that price. If it truly supercharged it in say 5 mins it would be worth the price. But that slow to charge should be discounted. There’s not much convenience
Its not bad at all if you are taking a road trip. In fact, my family and I looked forward to the charging stops on our road trips. For some reason the road trips are so much less stressful. However, If I had to rely on public charging all the time, it might get annoying.
Electric utility GM and flying J taking a cut of the profits
The price of electricity changes by location. So you need to compare apples to apples.
I agree, but based on the information I am getting this seems to be the price at all of the GM Energy charging stations.
Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmiddleville I wonder when charging stations will post there prices?
@@thedukeofmiddleville I beg to differ with you . Here on the East Coast we have Pilot/GM stations and stand alone GM stations . I have seen prices from 35 cents to 50 cents. Depending where you are in the mid Atlantic.
For day to day driving nothing beats charging at home or using the FREE chargers both level 1 and level 2. For most of us. If you have a Dryer Outlet you are good to go.
@@darkerbrother1 Pilot/EVgo have price as high as $0.85 per kwh. See this video: th-cam.com/video/84Los-iG3mc/w-d-xo.html
Also, not everyone has access to home charging.
trying out stations is a goof idea
$26 for a "1/2 tank" of fuel? And gas was $2.50.
i just got done watching yoru video about public charging being twice as exspensive as gas. strike one lol...
sides that, i'd like to point out the battery fire hazards of an EV and putting into perspective a battery catching on fire near a gas station. that will be a very bad day for some folks at this location. i can tell ya lol
Once again, you didn't take up 2 spaces when you charged on the Tesla supercharger.
Did you subscribe to the Tesla Supercharger when you charge? It's cheaper
I would have to pay $12 a month, and I don't charge enough for it to pay for itself.
To bad can't shut those lights off and network to charge faster
Having owned a Tesla Model S for 5 years, i think when you get into the 60 cents + per kWh , unless you're a "tree hugger", gas powered vehicles are less expensive to operate, and MUCH more convenient! At my home charger, it cost me 10 cents per kWh.
Yes, I could have gotten 10.5 gallons of gas for the same price. That is too expensive.
I feel like this "copy a gas pump footprint" will not be cost competitive. That's a huge foot print for 4 chargers. This will have unacceptably small throughput. And scaling it will just not make economical sense. Maybe the tax payer is footing the bill, so who cares right?
I agree; from a charging perspective that this is not cost competitive, however, gas station owners make most of their profits in their stores, on sales of food and drinks, as well as alcohol where sales are legal.
As such, EV charging has the opportunity to greatly improve profits since it takes a lot longer to charge than to fill up with gas. In urban and rural areas people use gas stations for grocery stores which will improve contact time since the customer may be charging for a half hour or more.
In addition, the gm Energy/EVgo/Flying J chargers that have been installed did not receive any NEVI funding, but there are Federal and State incentives to install EV chargers since it is a significant investment with no guaranteed ROI for the purchaser.
Thanks for contributing to the conversation!
If I am pulling a trailer, I will drive right by the station with no pull through chargers to go to one that does. In fact, even without a trailer, I will still choose the pull through first to reward the station for thinking about truck drivers. So the one trying to maximize number of chargers per area will make zero profit from me.
Besides, it would be the grid connection, not the space, that would be the bottleneck at most places using 350 kW chargers. Now for a mall or park using level 2 chargers, putting 1 per parking space makes sense.
The canopy is nice. And being pull thru is great if you were pulling a trailer. All that said, it consumes a lot of space. Those type of stalls should be reserved for vehicles pulling trailers. Vehicles not pulling trailers using the typical Tesla SuperChargers use the parking space more efficiently. Adding canopies to those would be nice, and I suspect it will happen over time. It will be interesting to see how the design of the typical “gas station” evolves over the next couple of decades as the transition to EVs occurs.
@@TroySavary you’ll drive right by open chargers and then you be waiting for 45 minutes at this one BEFORE plugging in. Also, there’s nothing stopping regular charging spots from putting some drive through friendly pedestals in.
@@ultrastoat3298 Why woukd I bexwaiting 45 minutes? If it is full, I would go elsewhere.
I am not the one who said you can't mix the two types. You are the one claiming pull through are a waste of space.
cybertruck
Get a Cybertruck already. Why didn't you get a Model X? Just wondering. But if you can, just get the Cybertruck.
Cybertruck has terrible highway range and a crappy charging curve. It costs more, and doesn't have a 3rd row seat. What would possibly make an R1S owner downgrade?
There is no way I would downgrade from a Rivian R1T to a Cybertruck, or a Model X minivan. The Rivian R1S, which is an actual SUV, is far superior to the Model X, and my wife hates the looks Cybertruck.
@@thedukeofmiddleville Pharrell Williams knew to get a Cybertruck. The Rivian is ugly compared to the Cybertruck. Those eyeball looking lights? Get out of here with that. No one cares about a Rivian. The company is not forward thinking and thank Jeff from Amazon for keeping that company afloat. Cybertruck redefined truck. Even gas truck owners respect the Cybertruck. Tell you wife you want the safest truck for your family. Above 5 star rating. Again, Pharrell Williams knows the Cybertruck is superior. Back to the forward thinking. No other car company decided to create a nationwide charging network. To say Tesla cars are not superior is just false. Look at the numbers. Facts are facts, Rivians are like punch buggies, Sure they are different but they look comical. Insulting your Rivian will only make you double down because we did this in public instead of a private email, but you've had a Rivian for how long and your channel doesn't get views. As soon as you started posting about Tesla, now you get views. Get a Cybertruck or borrow one for reviews and see what the views are like. Out of Spec Reviews just did a long video about the Cybertruck and check their views. Very few people want a Rivian. Trust me.
@@TroySavary The Rivian is so ugly. I just check the website to verify your claims and I see they were false. The Cybertruck is better in every way. I admit, the interior you like is personal preference. I like the Cybertrucks interior. I like Tesla's technology. Last thing, his 3rd row seat usage may be for luggage anyway, just throw that stuff in the bak of the Cybertruck. But all of this doesn't matter because he may not be able to get one for at least another year.
@@surfntrucks Rivian gets more real world range. Cybertruck got 254 miles on a highway test. Rivian is more efficient. Tow rating is equal between them. Ugly? No vehicle on the road looks worse than this stainless steel urinal. Rivian has a proper instrunent panel, and doesn't use the touchscreen to shift and control wipers. Rivian is probably better off road, but Tesla is afraid to let people really test that. Cybertruck is quicker in the drag strip. Hurray for the 5 people in the world who think that is what a pickup is for.
And as an added bonus, Rivian doesn't have a Nazi supporting man-child for a CEO.
Also, how nice if you to decide for him what he needs a third row for. That's the other reason not to drive a Tesla. Not belonging to a community with people like you.