EXERCISE TIPS - WHY MOST PEOPLE WILL GET ALMOST NOTHING FROM DB FLYES
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2019
- Dumbbell flyes are a really over-rated and misapplied exercise. This is an exercise that has been done for decades and is considered a major pec builder, while really, it needs a few tweaks if you really hope to get anything out of them. Listen now to hear more.
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That’s true I haven’t really focused on fly for the past 15 yrs. the incline and flat bench have been my success for pectoral muscles
It’s because you’ve been doing it for so long and have built up enough muscle and strength that you don’t need this exercise... I imagine. 😎
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf no because Benching works.
This guy needs to team up with Greg Doucette and they can talk about “eggzercises” together
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Thanks for that will be trying that on chest day !
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Great video!!! I always teach clients to load the stretch position and stop before tension is lost at the top! So many do this wrong in the gym!!
This is very much like what Doug Brignole talks about- the direction of resistance relative to the pull from the muscle.
One of the first workout plans I followed was a Thib plan in 2007. I have been lifting at least 3 days a week since, and I’m still fat and no one can tell I even lift weights at all.
Better to hit the cables or machine get way more tension
Not necessarily better, but different for sure.
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf better because tension remains throughout the whole range of motion
@@ghfjfghjasdfasdf its better.
Good vid bro
Cable flies accomplish everything DB flies can but better, tension across the entire range of motion, just do DB presses and cable flies
Coach I'm very consufed about the bench press (dumbell). How is the right set up for that? What is about the shoulder and scapula position? Every Coach says something different. Some one says you have to bring shoulders back and down (it hurts my shoulder), others says just retraction is needed and so on. I hope you read this and will help me 😣
Totally on point and logical from start to finish.
I think why they work so well for me, doing simple full ROM on a flat bench with light weight, is because my chest is so small, weak, and noobish... so the gains come easily, simply because my chest has a long way to go before ever adapting to this movement.
Coach, I think your advice is amazing regardless... but imo it especially applies to more intermediate and advanced lifters because their chests are stronger and bigger, and like you said, the majority of the ROM doesn’t maintain proper tension in the Pecs without applying your modifications to the movement... which is more of an issue for someone who’s “been there and done that” already.
When one is a noob like me, this movement if done properly, with light weight and full ROM, does wonders for the front Deltoid and Pecs all in one fell swoop.
Badass video! Thanks for the amazing tips and perspective as always.
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Thanks for the great video! I was wondering if you prefer cable crossovers over DB fly’s (done with your adjustments to the DB fly) or do they both have their place based on your goals for the exercise? Thanks! :)
Cable flyes don’t need to be adjusted since the power curve is entirely different than in the DB version, the cable allows you to have tension against the weight through the whole range of motion so no need to modify to compensate for a lack of work against the weight in the flexed position. That’s why I never do DB flyes, only cable, If I want to lift heavy free weights I’ll do a DB press or a barbell press, if I want to do more of an iso for the pecs, it’s cable fl. plus there’s a million and one ways to do cable flies and very little variation to how you can perform DB Flyes. DB flyes are a trash exercise tbh
This is actually GSP’s dad
what about cable flys
Couldn't you do cable flies instead?
Kettlebells are great!
You are one of my most favorite coaches. But why you say at 2:16 "in the most important portion of range of motion"? Why is it most important?
Cause its closer to the point where the muscle is fully contracted. Ideally, you would want to coincide the point where you're muscle is contracted the most with the portion of the movement where the curve of resistance is at its highest (simply put, the part where the exercise is heavier). It's not always possible to make these 2 points coincide and people can argue that the most utilized exercises don't fall in this condition - and it's true, but where talking about ideal conditions for fiber recruiting, not to mention that people not always do what's best, they do what they want and/or what they see. People doing flys are a good example of that. But there are good reasons for utilizing exercises that do not align well the point of full contraction with the point of maximum resistance like greater capacity to progressive overload, focus on strength (although this is arguable too), etc... lost track of what I saying. This is too long already. Cheers
@@brunosoaresrodrigues8957 Hm. I just thought that in flys the most important part is when muscle is stretched. It's good exercise for stretch mediated hypertrophy, like RDL is for hams etc.
Atlean X has a good view on flies.
The same thing happens in bench presses not as exaggerated tho as far as leverages go as your humerus moves more horizontally at the top the mechanical advantage increases greatly because the bars vertical movement to pec movement ratio changes drastically
Above the halfway point you are only benching 79% of what you are when the bar is touching your chest.
I rather use cables. Every single time. And also machines. I always get more return of investment than the dumbbells.
Do cable flyes then. The tension wont lose
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Mind Muscle Connection is the key.
For isolation work, it is.
@@THIBARMY Yes, that's right.
Or you can use cables which gives you constant tension :D
Cables fkn rule. 🔥💪🔥
I think they should offer him the role fir the Terminator if they make another one
I rather do Press-Ups variations then do Db flies
I bet GSP was his english teacher haha. Very insightful video btw
dimiNISHES. Love it. diMINishes.
im the under impression to squeeze the pecs at the top of the flys
If you have a graduate degree and don't think the stretch is the most important aspect of a lift in terms of hypertrophy, and instead think it's "activation", you wasted your money and time
Do dumbbell flies if your training to look pretty or expose yourself to potential injury. stick with compound push, pull and hinge lifts if you want to become a monster.... with the right training of course. This isn’t a bad video with plenty of valid arguments but every day people who don’t compete in lifting sports or bodybuilding should avoid stuff like this.
Sounding like van dam. Lol 😂
No matter how you put it.dumbell flys barely do anything.waste of time.
Arnold is crying right now.
Arnold did partial range dumbbell flyes in the stretched position
@@planetdog1641 I do 110 on flyes with a hold
eggzercise
Better use peck deck
Indeed... The dont "ALLUUOOUW" you for maximum muscle tension.
What is this accent, really; lisp + cold or brain damage?
Its french canadian you nutcase
it’s a Quebecois accent:)
Why you need an isolating exercise for pecs in the first place? They're the most useless muscle group, no real world use apart from the pecs exercises.
I come from weightlifting (olympic lifting) so I can say that "personally" I agree. But the fact is that since Arnold's golden era, big pecs is one of the most sought after training objective, for better or worse.
You never need to push anything without legs in the real world? News to me.
Bullshit!!!!! DB flys are SUPERB chest builders!!!! (Of course, when done with correct form) What next? Side laterals are a waste of time because the weight mostly travels along a horizontal curve as opposed to going up vertically at a 90° angle along a linear path????!!!
Lateral raised *are* a waste of time because the shoulders are primarily pushing muscles. Lateral raises are a pull exercise, and are difficult to go heavy on. If you are going to do them, save them as a finisher for your shoulder workout otherwise you are wasting time and energy because exercises like military press, seated dbp, snd arnold press will do a lot more for growing your shoulders.
Coach's arguement is full of fallacies. And plain plumb WRONG ! Let ME demonstrate. Take ANY weight dumbell that you can "rack" on your shoulder, then move it horizontal to the ground, especially as you get further OUT horizontally. See how hard it is to do ! Per the coaches arguement, since gravity is only acting vertically, there should be no effort in doing so - New Coach Anand 😎😎🙏🔥🧨🙌
What the hell are you talking about? Yeah, it is hard to move a weight from your shoulder horizontally, but the tension is still DOWNWARD towards the floor. The resistance isn't stopping you from pushing out away from you, it is pulling your arm towards the floor.
What he is pointing out is that *because of this* once you are past 45 degrees on a DB Chest Fly, there is no more tension/resistance acting on your chest muscles. All you have to do to see this is do an actual DB Chest Fly. You feel the resistance from full extension to about 45 degrees and then that last half of the movement where you bring the dumbbells together at the top there is literally zero effort required.
Don't try to call out Coach Thibs as "wrong" when you have no idea what you are talking about, and no idea how gravity and resistance training works.
@@liamengram6326 You make my point. Albeit with a stutter. The EFFORT in moving a weight is also proportional to the DIRECTION & DISTANCE from the SHIFTING overall Center of Gravity of the Body+Weight AKA the "Fulcrum" effect. Coach needs a few lessons in Physics
You dont seem to get it. The issue is that theres no additional horizontal opposite force, there's only the vertical force from gravity. The side ways move requires less effort than the vertical move.
In constrast, with cables there's am equal force all the way through