When to Polish vs Compound vs Wetsand
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- Have you ever debated whether to Polish or Compound...or maybe you need to wetsand? But how do you know how each is capable of "repairing" on the paint? In this episode, we discuss what each process accomplishes on the same scratch to better understand the capabilities and purpose of each respective technique. Hope you enjoy!
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I was a detailer at an autobody shop for 3 years before I moved into paint prep. You just demonstrated a years worth of on-the-job trade knowledge in ten minutes. Very good explanation.
Knowledge is power when ur a beginner apprentice ✌️
He spent 20 minutes telling us something that could be said in 5 minutes. The rambling and repetitive talk about bored me too death.
If it takes you a year as a paint prepper to learn the bare bone basics I don’t know what that says about your employer. Were you just ruining peoples cars till it clicked?
@Tacticalbuffoonary to me he didn't. He put his so many years of knowledge doing this kind of work and he broke it down in 20min. I think he did a good job!
@@TacticalBuffoonary username checks out
I detail cars at a used car dealership and this was a very well done tutorial. You explained very well the differences between wet sanding, cutting(compound) and polishing. A trick I learned to tell if the clear coat is thin is to use a laser pointer. Shine the laser at the paint (at 90 degrees) and if the clear is thick, you will see a glow in the clear coat around the laser dot, if you see no glow, the clear coat is very thin. My boss is too cheap to buy a paint thickness gauge so I had to come up with an alternative to prevent the inevitable burning through thin clear.
Actually pretty useful tip much appreciated
That is smart thinking.
This is the benchmark of what a tutorial should be. Its as scientific as car detailing gets. Well done and thank you!
The amount of information you’re giving us for free is beyond belief and I am grateful and thankful for that. You could easily keep this to yourself and charge anyone that wants to learn what you know but you don’t. Too awesome and thank you. You have taught me so much as a shade tree detailer.
I am fairly new to detailing and just beginning to learn how to buff. I have learned so much from these videos! Thank You for doing these for us, so knowledgeable, very helpful, and very easy to understand!
@68Camaro RS/SS but its free to us on TH-cam. Unless you have TH-cam red or something like that.
Nice (and true) comment!
I'm here almost a year later and just watching this video for the first time. I can't agree with the OP enough, and I'm just as grateful and blown away as he was. And for every person who says so in the comments, there must be 10's (100's...? 1,000's...?) who feel the same way as well. All I can do is think "thank you!" for such a great video each time I watch a new one and learn from it. These are some of the best anywhere, for sure.
What an excellent video. I am grateful for the explanation, I learned something new and usefull. Thank you.
That knife analogy, is more clear than any of the body work institutes.
Are you from Pakistan?
No
@@raianansari5794 oh. Where are you from?
I am from Bangladesh and Bangladesh is not a part of India.
@@raianansari5794 Love to Bangladesh from Pakistan
I genuinely believe that it’s time for another one of these videos to be published. Absolute perfection. Literally imagine how good this would be in 4K
I love how he explains every detail, some of us ''nerds'' NEED to know the WHY not just the how, this satisfies our type of personality, those of you that understand what I just said are laughing because you know you are one of these personality types, LOL, thank you Larry!
I'm def one of those people!! Loved this video!
This is spot on!
Could not have said it better
I'm one of those people too, "The How" just doesn't do it for me, need to know the concepts of everything. My wife hates that about me, but its just how I am.
Totally agree. This is the level of instruction that is grossly missing in the trades and other areas of life. Detail is important. Great analogies. He takes one concept and creates a 3d world of Instruction around it. Great video.
You are very clear. Extremely well done. Companies should hire you to show their product's procedure. I subscribed and gave thumbs up.
Now I'm confident enough to mess up my Velar...🤣
Hands down the most effective way of teaching the differences! Made it so simple to understand for someone who’s never done it 👍🏼
I’ve been researching this whole subject for weeks, and was really confused. This video was just fantastic, and I loved the way that you were actually teaching what we should look for, and how to respond to what we find. Most videos simply record a process, which actually tells you very little. Very well done to all involved. A MUST WATCH.
Man, you are a star. This one video is all I needed to understand what I need to do with my car. Every educator must teach people how to think, how to understand the subject, not what to do. You are good at that.
You, my friend are THE authority on detailing. Using your videos and advice, I've restored my parents' 15 year old SUV to a better shine than it had the day they bought it; I bought a car I always wanted (it was 10 years old at the time, and was a bit beat up) - and I made it look better than new; and now I'm starting up a side business where I fix minor scratches, swirls and paint defects for many of my coworkers (who are really rich and tend to drive Porsches and S-Classes). So thank you Larry - you truly are a valuable resource, and a staple in the detailing community.
Fire And Mugs - Be careful, if you go too deep on the clear coat you will have to pay to get a Porsche or S class repainted $$$$, unless you get insurance for your detailing business like Larry and most of the other pro detailers have.
You are not making the finish better than new or better than showroom, that isn't possible...dont be ridiculous, you sound foolish.
@@Fucknuts4u considering new cars can have orange peel its 100% possible ;)
@@DJveggii - You do have a point there. Though I suspect that Lexus probably did have a quality finish from the factory.
@@Fucknuts4u ahh Lexus is just an overpriced toyota but okay.
I’m a Visual Learner. Using the three different knives (and how each cuts) helped me understand the how to approach my obsession with treating swirls & scratches on my car. Thank you for making a tutorial that anybody can understand!
I've done detail work and paint refinishing for 30 year's. I think your explanation is one of the best I've seen online. You did a good job explaining and showing the process that is used to remove paint imperfections.
The highest compliment you can receive on TH-cam is a severe lack of trolling and or negative comments from people who really know a lot about nothing. You sir are a professional and and I commend you, I speak for all us diy'ers when I say, thank you for your insight. Liked and subscribed.
Don't speak for me, fool!
As someone just starting a detailing business I am forever grateful for the amount of free knowledge you give. It has given me the confidence to charge people for what I do & take pride in my work.
Can't thank you enough for this brilliant video. I tried some 3000 grit on some minor scratches on my car today and it worked a treat as opposed to only using compound. I have to admit, those sandning marks that you get from wet-sanding were very concerning, as you said. But the subsequent compounding got rid of them, easy peasy. Long story short, this video was crazy helpful. Kudos.
Brian from the Apex channel is always urging us to grab panels from body shops to practice and learn wet sanding as an important way to cut ( when needed) to keep temperature down on panels. Its all making sense as I heard you mention that. I am learning so much from all you guys....so thankful! 😀
big fan of grabbing junkyard panels
I’ve been in the car cleaning business for over 10 years. I’ve been doing service washes at Porsche for almost 7 years now so not even close to a detail but this video explains what’s going on when your doing the work. Awesome informative video almost like you should of been a teacher. I never did wet sanding since I never knew what all I’d be getting into. I’ve compounded my black car and had a hell time getting haze out lol. Thanks for explaining everything
*should HAVE been*
You are THE detailing master. It's just amazing how well you are able to explain every single process and answer 1000 questions in so little time. Thanks, Larry... you rock!!!!
I wish I could like this video more than one time. The depth to which you took the topic is amazing. 20 minutes of video have replaced countless hours of research and discussion in forums. This is what a professional video looks like and I'm grateful you put the time and energy into sharing such awesome depth of knowledge. Well done!
you are one of rare people who know how to explain something and you are very good. I know something about this, but I beleve that anybody will understand this explanation and examples! keep up the good work !!!
True. But talk about not wrapping up this whole fucking video fast. Sooo much talking. My brain is fried by the time Larry is done talking.
This is literally perfection. The video ended so quickly for me because of how it was edited and the amount of information you provided. Thanks
I love when Larry does regular cars more than when he does exotic cars lol.
True, most cars are pretty trashed, which is usually why the owner wants them brought back to shiny. This is a good, real world, car.
I was listening to Larry's podcast earlier today - he would agree with your comment!
I tried to find a nice GS430 recently, they're not that common.
David Keeth a 04-06 LS430 with “euro tuned sport suspension” (NOT the air suspension in “sport” mode) is very close to what a GS430 is like. It’s a little bigger and heavier but same engine and transmission as the GS430. I’ve owned an 04 LS with sport suspension for 4 1/2 years and it is hands-down the best car I’ve ever owned. Outrageously comfortable, smooth, luxurious, and crazy reliable. The sport suspension is the perfect compromise of slightly stiffened suspension to reduced body roll/squatting/nose-diving for more ‘sporty’ handling while maintaining a softer/compliant ride. Unfortunately LS430s with sport suspension aren’t super common either, and most dealers/people selling them don’t list it in the ad because they don’t know the car has it. Other than looking up the VIN, the only way to tell if an LS has it is to look for a very small subtle badge on the front fenders between the front tires and the front doors
Facts
The answer to most complex questions is a subtle and customized solution, thanks for going through the mechanics of approaching this.
This has to be one of the best TH-cam instructional videos I have ever seen. You gave great analogies, like the knives. The top about for jambs for reading clear coat depth, priceless. You didn't try to sell anything, just that one process isn't better than another, but when to use which process. Thank you for a great learning video.
The best explanation by far on the differences and reasons for each level of abbrasion. Clear presentation without too much waffle heard on some channels. Very well done.
Dude, you are a smart man, thank you so much for taking the time to teach and educate your audience. It speaks volumes of how much you truly care about your profession. Thank you!
Thanks a lot Larry, your advices were pretty helpful in my trying to remove low and deep scratchings from my car. Greetings from Bucharest, Romania!🙏
I don't typically comment on videos, but that was a perfect explanation and demonstration of progressive levels of polishing/correction,. Especially like the thickness gauge for PROOF. BRAVO SIR!!!
But gauge won't work on Corvette composite body. Needs metal for measurement tool to read mills of painted surface.
Very short and to the point YOUR THE MAN
@@beachpotato1739 The same things are available for plastics, they are ultrasonic.
Thanks Larry. This is my third year detailing. I watch this video every year as a refresher. You are a great teacher. Much appreciated!!
Let me start with saying your video and explanation solved exactly what I needed to know, to the very specific point. Before I was absolutely confused about the differences and I’ve spent a couple hours looking into a few videos to get a better understanding of the differences of material, no one, and let me repeat it, NO ONE explained it the way you did.
This is what I like, facts, science, demonstration. The passion you have is admirable. THANK YOU!
This was the most educational video I’ve seen when it comes to scratch removal. Thank you. I have a ‘17 Q50 red sport 400 in black and whoever polished last time did a terrible job and there are terrible swirl marks everywhere. Even overbuffed spots. Breaks my heart
Is that fixable ?
I love when you say "hope this was somewhat helpful" when really Larry, yours the only person anyone would want to learn from and you've taught me so much for free. I feel like I owe you so much. Fact, I know I do. I've rematched multiple videos of yours hoping that I can retain everything you say and hoping the views help give you some money in return because frankly I'm a broke dude working on his own car trying to make it go from a clunker to glass.
I gotta admit the most information I have gotten in 20 minutes and I understand it completely now Beyond grateful, thanks man. This is gonna make me money.
LARRY YOU ARE #1 CAR DETAILER.
EXCELLENT VIDEO.
THANK YOU.
I was gonna post almost the exact comment!!
Have your heard of Renny Doyle?
Larry did good check out check out my American detailer garage auto fetish and Dallas paint correction and detailing. As well
AK renny Doyle is a fraud
Larry if you ever want a real challenge I bought a 1999 BMW 528i: it’s black. Someone has DESTROYED the paint and there are chunks of sap all over the top of the car and it has sat there long enough to solidify into a very hard substance. I live in Illinois and if you ever need a demo vehicle I am here for you.
ringenberg2 as crazy as this sounds, gel hand sanitiser works great on sap. The emulsifiers will give the alcohol more time to dissolve the sap.
Before going to chemicals, try starting with the hottest water you can stand and dish soap. I know I know, never use dish soap, but this is an exception because you are trying to strip. If that doesn't work, move to your solvents. You have to wash it first anyway.
I used to have to park under a tree that would "spray" sap about 2 weeks out of the year. The Dawn treatment worked for me. Of course your results may vary, based on any number of factors, including what kind of tree.
@aboveaveragejoeaus:. Good tip on the hand sanitizer, I will remember that for next time. I always used mineral spirits for things like road tar, but the sanitizer is easier and probably closer at hand.
Believe it or not take rain x drop a lil on the sap and wipe it off then polish it out
Recently been getting into paint correction as a hobby . Practicing on used panels from the body shop. I really enjoy it and this video has been more helpful than probably the 100 plus videos I’ve watched thus far
You could truly work as a teacher or even better a professor. Very informative video yet very short and to the point. And the examples so clear. Brilliant
No final shot of the car after you finished polishing the whole thing? Larry I need closure after seeing all of those scratches!!
I know I was in such a rush to get it done my friend picked it up asap and I forgot. Ugggg!
Just picture the right hand section, but all over the car.
It's unfortunate there were so many rock chips. I don't know what would be more frustrating, dabbing touch up paint into hundreds of tiny craters or having the area refinished and potentially having to look at a poor color match for the rest of the ownership the vehicle 😕
As much as I'd have liked to see the finished product, I can't hold it against you as I can be quite terrible about documenting my work since "going pro" with my detailing.
Wstydz sie. Klamac za garsc miedziakow,
I found this video not even because I intend to work on cars, but because I want to paint the parts that I designed and 3d printed for my desk to take it to the next level (I have a lot of music gear that I want to be easily accessible at all times). Very professional take on the topic, I think you answered pretty much all the questions I had, now I only have to figure out where to get higher grit sandpaper because the finest one I've managed to find so far is only 1200, and I already had a feeling that I won't be able to get away with that in the long term... :D
Thanks for this video. I have detailed for many years, and have buffed several cars and this is the most clear explanation of the difference between the 3. Sometimes it's good to get a refresh course on these differences.
🙏💪💪 This video is the The Grail of detailing everyone understand what he just attempted in explained incredibly well might go over some heads? But come back as many times as you need to? study everything that he has said it is the key the back bone to polishing & paint correction!! OUT STANDING SIR as always 💪💪💪💪👌👌👌
You sure make this understandable for regular folks. Without these type of videos it can be very costly and gain no knowledge. Thanks for taking time to educate us.
The discussion in first 5-minutes was very good to explain the type and impact of the scratches. Thanks for including the visual portion on the drawing board.
I heard hit with a shovel and I wondered if a construction worker was attached. Then you clarified snow. In the south a never assume snow shovel.
What I want to know is what kind of dummmy tries to clear snow of a car with a snow shovel? Maybe the snow was so deep they didn't know what else to do is all I can think... but if that's the case probably not a good idea to be driving.
here in upstate NY you can wake up for work and find your car buried.
The most clear and concise EDUCATION on the subject I've ever seen. Being told the steps vs. Giving an actual working knowledge allows for an understanding and then the ability to assess each job correctly and to be able to work out the best approach whatever that may be. Your analogies are perfect and provide that profound feeling you get when you truly "get it". Very impressed . found myself watching what a good educator he is more than the paint! Lol
This guy is a genius and mastermind , very well informative
cocaine is a hell ova drug
This guys passion for paint is unreal 👌✅
Your vid was like being back at school.
Starting with the theory and then moving to the practical.
Its the very best way to learn & using layman too. Thankyou at last we find someone who gives a true explanation of how to Polish our cars, without too much selling of products & own company.
My question is: what is better, Orbital polisher or Rotary Polisher. Eg for beginners.
Awesome vid. Just what I was looking for. Im gonna wet sand my truck to remove brush scratches from the trail. Thanks again.
Same here plus the line that some jackass put on my truck from a shopping cart.
Larry, thank you for posting this video! I always wanted to know the differences between compounding and wet sanding. Now I know. You have amazing skills and I am thankful that you made this video and shared it with all of us! Thanks again! I bought a black truck and the paint looks exactly like the one on the video. I can’t wait to wet sand my truck.
As a medical doctor (with a scratched up car), I can tell you that your physician analogies are spot-on!
First Do No Harm.
But to complete your analogy, you could have shown a scalpel as the third knife!
Great video. Appreciate the effort with “infinite analogies” you really go far in the effort to explain clearly.
It shows you do the video with the interest of the viewer at heart. Thanks
I had no idea the clear coat is thinner in the door jamb! Great tips on not heating the paint!
This is the first video I see (in months researching) that clearly explains every step. As a bonus, not being a native english speaker I finally understood what priming the paint is, it's so basic that everyone just mentions it and I never fully understood it.
By far the best paint detailing video. Question: if we want to get rid of the stone chips, should we do touch ups before polish/compound or is it better to do polish/compound first and then do touch ups for whats left as visible marks?
I think chrisfix has a video about that. But i also believe that touch up first after anything.. some situations they'll put clear coat too then polish
It depends! If you're using one step touch up paint from automotive store, do it after polishing. Make sure it's thinned out well and carefully put it on with a paint brush with about 6 hairs inside the borders of the damaged area.
If you're using real base/clear in a bodyshop environment, you can do touch up first, wet sand it down and have an almost invisible fix at times.
-34 year's polishing experience
I’ve revisited this video several times over the years. One of your best, perfectly explained and informative videos. Thanks Larry!
Thank you thank you thank you! Without boring you with my reasons "why", your video just made huge difference in several people's lives with your spot on analogies and easy to understand instructions.
This is so well structured and by FAR the most informative and logically presented instructional I’ve ever seen on the subject. Going online to order some AMMO products just to say thank you for this! My 928 S4 will be happy about this too!
Your very good at explaining the process. I watch a few other detail channels and they admit to coming here for lessons as well. That says it all. Well done and thank you for your time.
Absolutely awesome. Seen many TH-cam shade tree detailers but this guy gives your the rational for what he is doing. Kudos to you for spending the time to make this subject clear, mind you without trying to sell you something 👍
THE BEST TUTORIAL VIDEO THAT I HAVE SEEN IN MY LIFE ... VRY HONEST AND STRAIGHT TO POINT ...
Amazing explanation. You're a great teacher.
Thank you 🙏. So educational for me. Just got a car from my late dad. Starting to restore. This has been a life savor. God bless your business!
Wow! This is a crash course (a very good one by the way) in car paint detailing! God bless you bro and thank you very much!
The amount
Fantastic video presentation!!!! The 3 zones you taped off and your explanation for each was on point!!!! Thanks so much!!
I’m one polisher brand new to detailing. I purchased a G9 Griots polisher and did my oxidized white 4Runner.
Thank you for this video as I have learned a lot. Thank you 🙏🏽
Great explanation using the knifes
It’s easier to understand
Thank you
Perfect, I always get your points clearly. You speak my technical language. Teach brother teach.
This is by far is the most detail for detailing video I have ever seen, you just taught me different condition of the car to use different methods to do the job and make it perfect. Learn something new everyday. Thank you for sharing this information.
love how he tried to run right pass the i call these love marks when your going at it with no lube .......
Lol
This covers all the stuff you don't have the patience to explain to people. Awesome video. 👍
very informative. I like you don't give repeated informations like how to polish step1 to 6. not too long, not a waste of time. thank you.
Extremely precise analogy. You make it clear have subscribed. Best wishes to your Subscribers and yourself from the UK.............
learned to detail with my old GS. Even burned through the paint on a seam, with a PC. yes novice mistake.
wow.. ive watched alot of these type of video about polish, compoung and sandpaper but this is by FAR the best demo, best information and just dumbing it down to the knife analogy level. thanks mate.
I love your analogies...You're a great teacher. Very informative and interesting video.
Btw you were my favorite character in Supernatural.
Sexy Disney Sheriff who was his character
Dean Winchester😂
Thank you! I just bought a buffing machine and was wondering if I should compound, polish, or wax and in which steps....I now know a lot better of how I am going to tackle the job, could not have understood what I was doing without your insights here...I feel like I am way more of an expert (I'm not) than what I used to be. Much gratitude!
The GS430 is one if my favorite cars ever made!
Most comfortable car seats I've ever sat in.
I thought it was an e class at first lol judging from her headlights
you are a great Teacher Larry thank you for this Terrific Explanation✅
I watched this video a year ago, and every single time I inspected a scratch on my car I remembered the thumb nail rule. Back today as I just bought a polisher and unsure which product Ill be starting with....added sub today. Cheers.
Very valuable information as usual!
WOW.... GREAT demonstration. Straight to the point & exactly what I needed to know.
New Comer here.:) I took a deep scratch the length of the door that was down to the metal from a shopping cart and moved the existing paint to Fill it in with my Buffer using a Scratch and Swirl remover. It took about 8-10 passes not pressing to hard to burn the paint. Once filled in I polished the entire door. Next I put 3 to 4 coats of Wax. You never knew it was there....:) Came out Perfect. It took some time though.
Watching from Ireland, excellent teacher and very informative. Thanks Larry
Damn this is so much knowledge. Glad that I found this Channel! Sub.
This is maybe the best channel to learn about car detailing.
That is the best and clearest explanation I’ve seen from watch many videos of this nature. Really worthwhile watching.
Honestly well done and saved so much confusion!
This man is the real MVP!
New Ammo video on my Birthday! The day gets better and better!
If you think you’re special today you should check out Eric the car guy, ETCG1.
Happy Birthday Bro!
Happy bday
6 yrs later this is 1 bad ass class thank you brother 👊🏾
Very good informations. Can you talk in one of the next videos about ceramic coating after polishing-wet sanding? Thank you. Greetings from Hungary.
Mit akarsz tudni rola?
CSOCSO hogy tud e újat mutatni 😂
OldGoodGamer olyan mint a wax csak sokkal tovabb tart. Hasznaltam mar a c.quartzot. szelvedore tettem. Nagyon allat. De hasznaltam mar a motorhazteton is mikor befoliaztam carbonra. Amugy rengeteg video van rola a youtubeon. Azon lepodneg meg ha ez a csavo tudna barmi ujat mondani rola.
Love love love this video! Can you tell us what pads to use and how long to compound? Do i use gentle pressure like im cleaning my kitchen counter ? Or slightly more? Or just let the machine do the work with its own weight?
Lastly, when i polish, will i have to do the entire hood ?
Thanks!
I would recommend doing the entire hood that way the polish has an even finish, working in little sections helps it go by faster
5 years later this is still such an informative video. Thank you so much.
@3:40 "wiping without lubrication" every mans terror
You’re the best
You answerd all the questions i had in mind before watching this video !
Keep up the good work
Thank you. As a female it's been very difficult in the body shop world. Not because of the work. But because of the gatekeeping that happens. From the bottom of my heart.
Thank you for giving me an alternative method of learning.
it feels illegal for watching it for free
Don’t give em ideas 🤣
10:50 "You whip it out and use it" hahaha