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Those "flappy pedals" you mentioned, are called "Reverser Latching Levers" and their function is literally to latch the Thrust Levers from sliding back beyond the Forward Idle Detent. To activate reverse thrust, you unlatch the Thrust Levers and pull them back into Reverse Idle and then up to maximum reverse thrust.
The official designation is "Thrust Reverser Levers". Even though they're called "levers", they just unlock the associated THR lever to allow it to go backward from the idle stop (on the A320F). On the A330/340 they're called the same but operate differently: The THR Lever does not go backward from the idle stop: the reversers levers are two smaller levers attached to them that have independent motion range.
I've had the T Flight HOTAS X for over 5 years now, and I see no reason to upgrade. The build quality is amazing for the price. It's comfortable, simple, has enough buttons for me, and I've never had any problems with it!
do you play star citizen and if so how accurate are you in pvp combat?
Same here! I started simming with the Hotas X back in 2014, and have had it as my primary ever since. The only addons to my rig was the TCA Throttle Quadrant this year, and the TFRP pedals a couple of months ago(almost a year). The Hotas X is perfect if someone is starting out, and isn't sure if they will take up simming seriously. If you're flying in the online networks, and do any type of civilian flights, including failures, the Hotas X is a bargain. Absolutely love that baby.
Perhaps i got unlucky, but for me the T flight, right after warranty ran out, started having horrible yaw jitter. I was able to fix the potentiometer, but a bit after that the squeaking started. The grease they use for the ball joint and the ball joint itself are just terrible. At least if it is in heavy use. At some point it ran completely dry and was basically stuck at any position i would put it into. Disassembling and properly regreasing the ball joint was a pain in the ***.
@@NeoAemaeth Same problem here. Just after warranty ran out, the T flight started to move the rudder to the left, even though I have not touched the joystick. very annoying
I've had my Thrustmaster Warthog throttle and joystick for 8 years. Still perfect.
You should consider getting the virpil warbrd to replace the base. Completely smooth and air to air refuelling is so much easier. Once you’ve swapped out the stock cams that come as standard it feels like nothing you’ve ever experienced
It's a solid stick hotas. I had one for years.
@@tobysmailes2064 The VIRPIL base is for sure compatible with the Thrustmaster sticks?
@@r.l.jeffries1091 yes it is
How is the yaw axis on the joystick? Oh never mind...
I got the T16000. I think it is the most versatile of the bunch. The airbus HOTAS is too specific, the Warthog very expensive. Even after 4 months of MSFS I don't have assigned every button, so there is still room to grow, it's precise enough for any situation. For me the best bang for the buck.
I got the airbus tca. It's also quite versatile. The actual flight stick is not very different from the rest aside from aesthetics. I personally love the blue Airbus colour scheme on it. The throttle quadrant is a bit more specialised because it follows the snapping into the different airbus throttle gates, but you can remove it. So it is quite versatile and it really boils down aesthetics when comparing the T16000 and the airbus hotas
But the T16000 is also a great flight stick because the 2 are pretty much the same quality
@@silverwatchdog the airbus got that russian blue colors 😀 of the su27
Been on the fence about hotas but hearing you say that yours is 4+ years old and functions like new has sold me. Tyvm.
I've had my hotas x since ~2012, flown A LOT with it, picked it up from the joystick (lol) a shit ton of times and it still works. It does have some contact problem with the cable and the stick, but far better than what is to be expected from a 30€ thrust lever + joystick (used to cost 30€ back in the day here haha). An absolutely monster for that price.
Currently looking for a new one since this one is showing its age with the joystick accuracy
My first PC game was the Mech Warrior Collection and I played it with a Microsoft Sidewinder. Sooo much fun. I then got the Star Wars Tie Fighter/X-Wing collection. I LOVED playing those games with a joystick. I just ordered the Thrustmaster for XB/PC and hope to get back into gaming with a joystick again.
THANKS for the videos.
Ok, are you my doppelganger?
I use the Logitech(Saitek) X56 and it's great. It's priced between the T16000 and the warthog, and it's great.
It has a ton of features and buttons on the stick and throttle.
2 years ago I bought the T Flight HOTAS X for only 50€ (it's ~80€ now). I was a bit concerned about the price/quality, but I thought that 50€ is not a big deal, and I bought it to see if I like to play with this type of joysticks, thinking I will upgrade anyway. I never felt the need to upgrade, because I only play single player games, and it does its job amazingly well for such a very low price.
I really like the TCA officer pack it looks absolutely beautiful 🥰😍
The Air Bus system looks very nice, and I like the fact that in the sim you showed looks really nice. And I see why the Worthog Hog is so expensive and I can see a lot of ppl using it for flight sims. I have the Hotas X for a some years now and since I play Star Citizen, I feel as though I need a few more buttons. So, I'm getting the X52 Pro, I don't feel like spending $400 right now lol.
So I have the T.16000M series and I play star citizen with it. With the amount of controls for star citizen even in the cockpit of a fighter or a freight ship. The buttons and mapping is simple and to me, no matter where I put the layout of buttons, it's always easy to get a new muscle memory in place. I love the feel is the T16000M in star citizen and I'm completely new to stuff like this. So as for beginners if you're not sure if you're going to enjoy it or not. Give it a try but buy from a store and don't order it that way if you don't like it you can just return it.
Great review! 😀
Got my Thrustmaster TCA Officer Pack Airbus Edition three days ago, and i LOVE it. The accuracy and precision is fantastic, and this is the most bang for the bucks you can get. I just need the addon for it now! 😀
I mostly use it for general aviation, so i made a copy of the default config because i did some remapping of the buttons and sliders.
Can you still use single engine planes?
@@MobileTaskForceE11 Of course you can. Configure the levers as you want ie. the left for thrust and the right for prop pitch.
Got the T16000M full package some days ago and I must say, it’s amazing and a big step up from the Hotas X. Poorly, I had some problems with my Hotas X, even after a refund the same problem accrued again after one month. (The Ruddes ist constantly shifting to the left). I hope the T16000M doesn’t have that problem.
The stick is quite okay, but the throttle will be stuck because of the slider. But you can upgrade it for a "butter smooth" action, and its not expensive. I have ordered a bearing version, but there is a bushes version. The bearing the better but quite loud, the bushes is soundless but not smooth as the bearing version.
I’ve had the T16000m for a while now. The build quality is really poor & I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. I also had to make a number of modifications to it to make it useable.
Had mine for exactly ONE DAY before the Z-Axis went crazy and it was unusable in any game... i'll stick to mouse and keyboard for now. The build quality is horrible for the price.
Ive had all four. Now just use the Airbus for Flight Sim and the Warthog for DCS love them
Man. I never thought about how lucky I am for being right handed when buying sim gear
I went through 3 T-Flight HOTAS in two years and they all failed within 3 weeks to 6 months. The first two had the same problem; the joystick started to signal a left yaw constantly, requiring me to constantly yaw right just to fly straight. The third unit did that with a variation; whenever I pushed the throttle forward, it would also signal yaw left. The problem with the first two is widely discussed on the internet and is generally accepted as a design flaw which will never be fixed. I'm done with the T-Flight and would be very reluctant to spend $200 to $400 on their more expensive HOTAS units.
you get what you pay for
Yes, I've also had the yaw jitter problem. I was able to fix the potentiometer and the stupid cable management inside the stick tough. Also the ball joint grease is terrible and figuring out how to regrease the joint is even more terrible.
Same thing happend to mine, it was jiggly and fell apart within weeks.
I’ve had the T16000 for 4-5 years with heavy usage the last 2.5-3 years. Everything on the stick and thruster works great still and I use my equipment hard and rough. I just upgraded to the thrust master warthog like 4 days ago. I only reason was because I wanted to. I would definitely buy the T16,000 over again and would highly recommend getting it starting out. Mostly cost reason. Why spend $5-600 if you find out you don’t like the games or you don’t use it as much as you thought. Plus the thrust master does not have pedals… making you spend another 5-600 for that. So T16000 is definitely a great starting and long term playing.
I got the microsoft sidewinder forcefeedback 2 and i wont be changing for any of those, even though they look great, nice video
Consider yourself lucky. Some selfish people are preventing anyone releasing any force feedback products.
My TCA pack is coming next Tuesday! Can’t wait!!!
Where did you get it? Cant find it anywhere
@@kulex2024 the pack was restocked on the Thrustmaster website. It’s all sold out now. But the sidestick is still available at Amazon U.K.
@@infinite2246 thanks
I've got both Hotas X and T16000 with the throttle. I bought Hotas X in 2014 and it was a great start and upgrade from keyboard and mouse. I didn't use it for a few years and when I returned to DCS in 2022 it was very squaky and I couldn't grease it however I tried. And the middle deadzone on it's throttle is abominable (at least for flight sims). Forget any refueling with this one. (I admire if you did it.)
T.16000M and TWCS throttle are different. For a few bucks more the level is much higher. Many more buttons (especiall thanks to the throttle) and much more precise joystick. There are problems too though. The throttle is jittery and requires regular potentiometer cleaning with a spray. And Z-axis (twist) on the joystick is jittery too for many units - including mine.
Right now I'm using TWCS Throttle with tentative plans to replace it (not sure what for yet) and VKB Gladiator with Kosmosima grip - and while the VKB stick is 220+- Eur on it's own, I just love the quality.
But perhaps without the Thrustmaster stuff (and its deficiencies) I'd not get to VKB of to whatever comes next. So yeah, it was part of the way. But if you really love flight sims, just skip the Hotas X and go for T.16000M+TWCS Throttle combo right away. Pedals... I don't know. They are not bad for 60 Eur or so (in combo), but they are way too narrow (at least for males, I guess) and not that precise. They have potentiometer that requires regular cleanup too (otherwise don't expect any precision).
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I've just ordered the T.Flight Hotas One, I can't wait to start simming with it - should be much more immersive!
When it comes to sticks: I'd recommend staying away from the 16000 and getting the VKB Gladiator NXT Evo instead. It's a bit more pricey, but it's worlds better than the TM and will probably last longer than it too. Not only does it come with 32k res sensors, but it also has a gimbal, ball-bearings and independently adjustable clutches and springs. Meaning you can tune the X- and Y-axis precisely to your preference. For example: I have my Y-axis set pretty stiffly (strongest spring, "hard" clutch) while the X-axis is tuned more lightly with the medium spring and its clutchh set to light to medium. Its action is buttery smooth and super-precise. No wobble whatsoever when you let the stick return to 0/0 from full deflection.
I use the TM 16000 TWCS myself and I view it as a stop-gap measure until I'll dish out more money on a better throttle (WH, WinWing, etc). For its price, the TWCS is a pretty good deal however (IMO), just don't expect it to last for years and years. Plus the sliding action isn't great. Re-greased mine with Teflon/silicone paste and improved things quite a bit, but it's still far from perfect. That said: It was "only" €85 as a stand-alone and it gets the job done. Certainly beats having to use the keyboard and/or the small throttle lever and base-buttons on my VKB stick.
not a single one of their products makes any sense, IMO.
the T16k variants have really bad precision, and not all axes are hall effect. Also only very few buttons can be reached…
Especially twist will fail quickly, and considering how easy the fix hall effect would be, it is amazing how they did not fix it in the airbus cash grab version.
That thing only shows how little they care about quality.
and the warthog is a massive metal grip on a cheap plastic gimbal, so yeah, also big no-no….
I just ordered the airbus sidestick!! Arriving in 2 days!
Does it come with rudder pedals?
It doesn't, but are compatible with the rudders that the standard T.16000 are compatible with
Funny enough here in South Africa we have the opposite problem with stock. We have the airbus flight stick but not the Hotas X. I am happy with the airbus one though. It's really comfortable and accurate and is a good quality for the price.
Oh forgot to add, I got the Officer pack and couldn't find the addon. So I have the stick and the throttle quadrant
@@silverwatchdog just ordered the T 16000m from Evetech! Can't wait to try it in Arma and Dcs
I picked up the thrustmaster TCA Sidestick and TCA Quadrant for just GBP 85.48 last week during Black Friday at Box. Funnily enough I had to buy them seperatly as there was an additional 10% discount from thrustmaster per item and if I had bought them as a pack it worked out far more...Feel I got a real bargain for once on a Black Friday deal...
T Flight HOTAS X or T16000 joystick only? which is better? I say without the thruster because the price is identical. I honestly could care less about the thruster. I want a good quality joystick only. I don't mind using the switch on a joystick as the thruster.
Since Microsoft FS 2020 was released, all budget HOTAS products seem to be out of stock in UK. Ebay has several used T.Flights listed for more than new retail price - people are buying them too.
I'm hoping they are back in stock before my birthday at the end of Feb. Using a console controller for Elite Dangerous is not optimal.
Am researching around for current gen flight sims and equipment. Really surprised to see the T.Flight HOTAS ! That was a long time ago when I first had it (also probably the time since I left flight sims). Seeing it in the video also brought back memories of MS Sidewinder FF joystick, that was even older. 😀
One thing I find unrealistic about the Thrustmaster Airbus joystick is that when you bank the aircraft you have to keep the joystick deflected to the side you want to bank, or the plane goes back to straight and level flight. I am just a former weekend real world Piper Cherokee pilot, not a professional pilot, so I could be wrong about the real airbus joy stick, but in the Piper Cherokee, which has a control wheel, you would bank the aircraft by turning the control wheel in the direction you wanted to bank, and when you reached the bank angle you wanted you would return it to center. The aircraft would hold that bank angle, with perhaps some minor adjustments needed, depending on conditions.
Actual aircraft holds the bank upto 33deg
Got the stick; waiting for throttle availability and lower price; my Bravo fills in nicely for IL2 Sturmovik
Just got my Hotas T flight stick today. I’ve not tried it yet, but other reviews show that the throttle has rudder response in the front as well. I’m not sure if that’s what I’ll use it for, but it’s nice to have the option.
Had my Hotas X for 1.5 years and its broken now....stickdrift...Just bought the A320 Stick and really hope its better and more reliable...
Loved your video my friend.
I really like the way you explain the details..
Thank you very much for your comparison! Can I ask you: how would you compare the springs of the T.16000M joystick to the springs of the TCA Sidestick Airbus? In the T.16000M the springs were too strong, it took a significant force to start moving the joystick from the center. Because of that it was difficult to control precisely very small movements around the center.
I am looking for a joystick that allows for precise, very small movements around the center without needing to much force to move the joystick (for AFV gunnery simulation). Thank you!
p.s. And how does the trigger of the Airbus joystick compare to the trigger of the T.16000M?
Saitek Extreme 3d pro (don't laugh, it's reliable and smooth), CH rudder pedals and throttle quadrant.. magic IMO.. the joystick has lasted over 10 years with almost no variance or dead zone issues (except Z axis but I use pedals for rudder)
i lke this video it is more appropriate than other videos i've searched for the right joystick
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Kappa
Great to know the left handed thing. Thnx
I got both the TCA and T16000.
I prefer the T16000 because the TCA's base move slightly on the desk when I pull the stick and it makes an awful lot of noise.
I’m using the warthog and the Airbus tca throttle and add ons for the best 320 experience 👍
so we just gonna ignore the UCS Millennium Falcon off to the right at the beginning?
Man these all look fun in their own right!
My experience with flimsy triggers is that they break easily. I would never buy another stick that has one. The x52 looks nice and more of what I am looking for. I’m sure I could go cheaper and I still might. But my history with Mechwarrior games is intense. I really want to enjoy Mechwarrior 5 like I did the classics back in the golden age. It’s the only game I’ve ever played through the years that I spent a lot of money for accessories. In other words Mechwarrior is a hobby not just a game.
The T flight is my only real other option on this list. It does seem to be just about all I really need. I’m just thinking a x56 would be more fun and a huge improvement.
Flappy paddles sounds good to me lol. I've looked in the Airbus 320 FCOM and I don't think Airbus even give them a name.
If you are on a budget, a good joystick for beginner or people playing some retro sims would be the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Really good one for the price.
My HOTAS warthog throttle just packed it in after 6 yrs. apparently the PCB boards are prone to failing. just ordered the airbus model.
A very fair and candid evaluation but what's the difference with the thrustmaster FCS? than a regular 1600? I truly appreciate your response. Thanks
What's the airbus one like flying non airbus planes in flight Sim?
probably fine but for single engine and quad engine planes especially it might need some adjusting on the throttle settings
I ordered TCA Officer Pack Airbus Edition without Add-on
Great thourough review. Thank you.
Firstly, Thanks for the video. What im gonna ask you is, with which stick you feel the flare at most? Im user of thrustmaster tca captain pack. But the stick is so soft and whem im on the flare, its so soft and i have to pull almost fully back to make a flare. However u dont need to make that much pressure on stick in real, actually should be so gentle in real airbus stick. If u used all sticks u mentioned, can u make an adjustment on hotas warthdog to make it softer or harder to pull or push it? Big Thanks.
I finally did bey Virpil..... Short story, I would have wished it was on the marked when I did bey my first joystick. Sure could have safed me a lot of money.
I do like the Airbus Edition and that I do fly Airbus allot however it's more suited for the airbus and end of the day I fly GA flights and Boeing and my point is over 200 hours flying the C208B with the Airbus Edition is not for me LOL and it's not cheap if you have the full packaged. The T,16000M has the same stick style but more suited for flying just about everything and seems to be the right price. I mean I'm not made out of money and funds are not there and so maybe the T,16000M is the right option. Then again Stick or Yoke? LOL
Nice video, very informative. Couple of questions, I'm new to to so please forgive my ignorance. Can the TCA Airbus pack be configured for general aviation aircraft ( you know, learning in a Cessna) or is it specific to Airbus, also, does the Warthog have twist capability for rudder control. or would I need separate rudder pedal?
The lever in the left side is the speed brake .
Just got my Airbus sidestick but still waiting for thrust levers to be available. Only disappointment is the trigger is very flimsy and can easily move sideways
Hey Thanks for the advice!!!! I will be buying the equivalent for the T Flight HOTAS X which is the T Flight HOTAS One because i play on an Xbox. I mainly need it for MSFS but i will also use it in War Thunder. Again Thanks
I have recently bought hotas t16000m
Got my HOTAS 4 three days ago and its yaw already wacked out, followed two tutorials on how to fix it but alas it is being sent back to amazon, severely dissapointed
I've always wanted a HOTAS since my Bird of Prey days, but my hands are too big for anything I can afford :D
Great Video! have a question im sure won't get seen, but I'll ask it any way just in case. I have the Samsung Gaming TV XBOX app Flight SIM, With one do I order , the PC or or Xbox one? what works with the TV App ??
I don't see the 16000 being ambidextrous... at least if you consider the throttle. There's no way to use the throttle properly while using the stick with the left hand.
Can you use the airbus edition for jet fighters and combat aviation? Know others are designed for that but i love the look and detail on that one.
Have had the TCA flightstick for some months now, but am still waiting on the accompanying throttle quadrant. Maybe Thrustmaster aren't that keen on selling them and making loads of money.
a good medium price setup is a vkb gladiator nxt with a twcs throttle
In the past i owned a Saitek x-52. Now it's time to buy something else and i don't really know what's better. I'm considering the X-56 or eventually the HOTAS WARTHOG. I really need some advise.
For the Longitude or Cessna CJ4 suggestion?
which one is good for both air fighter and airliner?
You didn’t mention force feedback or haptic so I guess any of these have it, right?
Another amazing video Matt. :)
I would say the only downside to the warthog is that you need rudder pedals as there is no Z axis on either the stick or throttle
I know some people use the spoiler on the throttle quadrant as a rudder axis as it can be centred, but just for taxiing purposes. Definitely think if people are going to invest into these some rudder pedals complete the setup!
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I'm usually playing war thunder, maybe in the future i will play another games. Hotas X is 55 , One is 184 dolar in Turkey. Which one do you recommend for me ?
Logitech x52 Pro or Thrustmaster Airbus? Which one is better or is it a big difference? I hope I did not do a bad choice buying the X52 hotas
None of them work out of the box so I returned all of them! Fuck Thrustmaster. :D
i play dcs world and was using the t16000m hotas with the rudder for the past 3 years and it still works for me but I just got the warthog hotas there really was no game breaking reason to upgrade from the tm16000m I just wonting to feel cool lol
I've got the T16000M dual sticks but the right stick has started to send Z left twist signals every time I touch or move it. I've started to use the left stick and then I use the right slider for throttle which is great for MFS because I need to use my right hand on the mouse to look around the cockpit and interact with the different controls while still maintaining control of the aircraft with the left stick. I want to get the Warthog but then I'll need to take my hand off the stick to manipulate the mouse so I'm kind of torn. It's a lot of money to spend on something that may or may not work for the system I currently have in place. I guess I could try to keep the left stick plugged in and switch to it when needed?
have the tca side-stick, quadrant and add-on pack, works just perfect... the only thing i can say about the side-stick... if you use it also as rudder-control (i'm waiting for for the rudder/break pedals to arrive) you have to fix the stick in place.. for high crosswind landing where you need a lot of rudder, the base likes to move in the same direction and could cause to loose control
Could you share your experiences as a left-handed HOTAS user? I'm planning on getting a HOTAS One for my Xbox but I don't want my lefthandedness to screw me over
Be nice to get the airbus throttle and add on without paying through the nose to stock scalpers. Thrustmaster is still out of stock, as I already have the side stick. Thrustmaster out of stock, amazon and ebay asking ridiculous prices
I absolutely can not stand right handed joysticks. Its upsetting they dont make more left handed ones.
None of them! Just skip the subpar quality of Thrustmaster and do yourself a favor and buy a VKB Gladiator EVO!
i wanted to ask you why when I get into my fslabs, whatever movement I do goes on Rev?
So that means 230 bugs for the airbus one? Pretty hurting, but I think I could save for it.
RZ axis dies on T16000 whithin months unfortunately.
If it's within months it would be under warranty and you likely have a defective unit. If it happens out of warranty trying to fix it isn't hard and shown here: th-cam.com/video/gVzhEgHS4bA/w-d-xo.html
my tflight y-axis didn't work from the start, shitty experience for me
how about the yaw-axis on the flight stick on the warthog for space sim games like SC?
Does anyone know if the Airbus edition has fixed the annoying rudder axis issue that plagued the T.1600M - this is where the rudder axis would incur random movements due to signal noise?
I've got the T16000 and z axis has gone already after only a few months is the warthog worth the money
Can the T16000M be used as a collective and throttle for Helis?
Can I use of Rudder Pedals from Thrustmaster with the TCA Airbus Pack ??
I have the Thrustmaster Airbus Officer Pack and the Add-On. What's the best autopilot panel for it?
Its possible to use TCA dual throttle with the T16000m Stick??? They are complatible?
Love the look of that airbus one 😍 definitely will be buying that one when I setup FS2020 this week to help me practise my IFR stuff 😝
There are left and right handed people not left and right handed aircraft... are you looking for a more realistic experience by getting HOTAS or not?
PC - Joystick Saitek Cyborg EVO war damals der beste Joystick überhaupt. Handballenverstellung (die Größe anpassen an die Hände) und echtes Force Feedback. Diese Technologien werden heutzutage nicht mehr verbaut. Stattdessen sind alle neuen Joysticks nur für grosse Hände und ohne Force Feedback. In meinen Augen ein Rückschritt.
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PC joystick Saitek Cyborg EVO was the best joystick at that time. Palm adjustment (size to fit hands) and true force feedback. These technologies are no longer used today. Instead, all new joysticks are only for big hands and without force feedback. In my opinion a step backwards.
I had the Hotas.X for all of a day in DCS before immediately realizing I needed a TM Warthog. The one thing that almost made me want to keep the Hotas.X was for Battlefield, however I quickly realized that any flying in that game was trash regardless of device.
There are a downsides to the Thrustmaster Warthog for some users as it forces you to have rudder pedals. I don't know about the T.1600M, but the Hotas.X has a stick twist axis for rudder pedals. Also, the TM Warthog stick is designed for realistic military simulation environments. This means that the amount of time you actually spend firing your weapon is very small, and is a very premeditated action which you knew was likely happening at least 60 seconds prior, if not 2+ minutes prior. Much more of your time is spent finding, identifying, and marking targets, and then setting up weapons delivery. Outside of close range dog fighting DCS pilots don't "react" to something and then quickly hit the fire button which is very different than space simulators. If you need to fire lasers rapidly and comfortably, I would steer clear of TM Warthog as well.
the first 10 sec I already felt depresive but great video fur sure