Simple reason. The A-10C in DCS is one of the most complex modules from DCS due to its computer and all of those switches. Yes this flight stick will be a huge help since those switches and buttons SHOULD work as they would on a A-10, but I highly doubt Luke will spend the time over the course of days (or weeks if he's slow) learning how to fly the A-10 for this review. However I am agreement with you, I do think they should've tested the game the Joystick was made for, even at the cost of time.
For sure this module is complex, but not difficult. At least for me it wasn't. I managed to learn 80-90% of the checklists in a single rainy saturday ... Maybe I'm an "alien" :D
I'm jealous of you man.. I wish I could learn the A-10C as fast as you. But people do learn at different paces and I'm pretty sure it would've been a new experience for Luke since I don't think he's ever played a DCS module in like... ever
@@Dagoth_Ur_1 Yea. the primary trigger is a 2 stage. at around 40-50% depress you get trigger 1 and a full depress activates both buttons. Also there is no twist access on this stick.
2 stage trigger for either firing the laser for LGBs or stabilizing the plane. There's a reason it has it LTT. Using a flight sim stick for an arcade game just doesn't work out.
Why do you review a device designed specifically for flight simulators, DCS in particular, and then completely avoid any testing on one, especially considering you can get dcs:world for free with 2 planes? It's like reviewing a baseball bat by playing cricket.
Probably because even the free/easymode planes in DCS are way way way out of anyone at LTT's depth. They would probably have been flamed more for trying to cover it than by not doing it. And I actually think that was a perfectly good decision - there are many other reviews of this product in the more hardcore sim community.
@@Mythricia1988 sure, DCS is tricky for tech reviewers and journos who can't put time into it, but flying in a straight line with a roll or a turn at some point wouldn't exactly require a US Navy pilot to pull it off
Have you seen the detailed cockpits of star citizen ships? They have warthog style joysticks in their ships. Honestly though who cares what they use it for, space sims are just as deserving of warthog greatness.
Your review was pretty accurate, I was explaining it to a friend and it was almost word for word. This stick is awesome, previously running an x52 pro which was pretty damn good the Warthog blows it away. In VR I didn’t struggle to feel my way around the flip and toggle switches. I setup for pulling out the throttle to engage afterburner on the F-14 in DCS. It’s a little awkward and not native to the F-14 but something that gives dynamic to the gameplay. You’re absolutely right about the trigger, launching missiles is oddly satisfying compared to other Hotas. I’ve spent some time in military grade sim cockpits, short of having a pressure resistance stick this is about as close as you’re gunna get for your home. I would say it’s worth the money.
You can find much better options out there than just the Warthog now. Back when this review was released perhaps the Warthog is "as close as you're gonna get" as you called it, but nowadays you have companies VKB, Virpil or Winwing that make much better products with better technology. Mind you, the Warthog is still a good piece of kit, but now they're nowhere close to the top when it comes to HOTAS, especially for the current price.
I like how it doesn't look cheap and is made with quality, although I think I would prefer the thrusters to move quicker. As a side note, I'm glad LMG is reviewing H.O.T.A.S, especially now that Elite Dangerous has been released on steam. Hoping to see some more of this.
This stick, the MFG pedals, a sturdy steel base to mount it all on, and a VR setup in Elite Dangerous was an absolutely phenomenal gaming experience. I had to make myself stop because it was eating up all my time.
for the trigger, I take some clear tape and put it over the trigger, place my finger on the trigger, press halfway and them wrap the tape around the back. now it will be much shorter and quicker. simple tip for anyone who likes a short travel trigger. love the videos BTW!
***** And what about people who get motion sickness from wearing them? Or people who just don't want to wear headgear to use a computer? Pretty sure I'm not clueless, you're just being close-minded.
I have always been a major proponent of the ergonomic corner desk, when I was young I always wanted a battle station or cockpit, so I set up a corner desk inside of a large utility closet and the sound was great inside there, I just got tired of using my closet space for a desk. This was long before any of us had anything like battles stations, or cockpits in our homes. A corner desk gives you a more ergonomic pocket that you can customize, put a large curved monitor in the corner, using the vesa mounting option at eye level, it's a good foundation for a corner cockpit. Plus you can actually use it as a desk. Then you can use a HOTAS on top, or whatever you like and it will feel better.
you don't want fast response in flight sims or even space sims, you want to learn your controls and get reliable response, flight tactics are all about being able to do the same thing over and over, twitch responses are rarely consistent, practiced responses are much more reliable.
I own it and I use it for my flying in Prepar3D, love it! Feels solid, had a Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar before and the Warthog is a drewm to fly with, so solid and precise.
For those of you watching now, if you are eyeing the DCS F-16C, it should be noted the stick on the A-10C for which this was made was actually retrofitted from the 16 when the 10 was upgraded to the C model- some buttons do different things, but they are the same buttons, in the same stick. So, this is a replica of the 16C stick (minus the slight forward tilt, and with more movement) as well.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'd have plenty of fun being better than simple Simon while flying my Origin 300i with a TM Warthog in Star Citizen but it would have been nice to see more than the mere mention of a flight sim in the review of a product purpose built for flight sims since people who are interested in the device are highly likely to want to know how it performs in its' natural habitat.
Jimmy Blonde I agree with that. When I see a Warthog HOTAS review, I expect to see some DCS on those screens. A heavy, deliberate trigger makes a lot more sense when you're only pulling it for a half-second in a three-hour play session. The thing's target audience, though, is already well aware of its existence and quality. They either have one, are saving up for one, or decided long ago that it wasn't worth it for them. I don't expect a lot of gamers to buy kit like this for Battlefield or ARMA.
They're definitely aware of its' reputation, maybe not so conversant with its' full functionality and the real advantages of owning one. I'd like to see another video exploring that.
I wonder if you guys are going to review the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS. It's going to cost around 130 USD and it's one of the very few mid-range HOTAS systems out there. Wondering if we should stick to the 60 dollar range with stuff like the T-Flight HOTAS X. Will putting down twice the money be worth it?
When is it coming out and is it expected to be able to switch for left handed use as well? I was looking at the T16000M but if this is coming out, I might just have to wait a little longer. I'm so excited for Star Citizen!!!
Jesse Reyes It is coming out early September, the 2nd according to some websites. It is essentially, from what I've read and seen, a updated T16000M plus a new throttle. Looking forward to it, too!
Yes im late to the party but i just got one - the quality is truly top notch! I used to have a Saitex X52 Pro but never like the stick's limp tension. The Warthog stick has great tension, tight, weighted and robust. The price has went up to $500 due to demand exceeding supply but its totally worth it. I no longer have "game peripherals" on my desk, i have military grade aviation components .
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Fuck vessel. In one years time I wanna see how much you use it when you have to pay to watch reviews of shit that you will probably never get (let's be real here). I can watch it here 3 days later and save shit loads of money.
I agree with "The Stowaway" and I absolutely love DCS World (not steam edition but rather Open Beta). I use this HOTAS for every jet and module I own in DCS. It's such a beast and once I pair it with the proper rudder pedals I will be so happy. I'm holding off on setting up a profile for ED just yet because omg the amount of bindings lol. It's the beastiest beast of a HOTAS I've ever used! (I'm also a disabled prior USAF Special Operations veteran so this HOTAS was already on my mind when I was looking for one to purchase for myself !! :) )
The software does provide a lot of control, though. Keys can be set to toggle between different key presses and and can change their purpose based on a long button press or quick button press. It comes with its own simple programing language for key control. Basically, it's an advanced system that requires a good deal of learning to use, but it gives the user an insane amount of control regarding how the buttons work.
I bought this right when it came out, and ever since it has never let me down. No part failed, or showed any weakness in construction, and even it it did, you could take it apart and exchange the faulty part. This is the last HOTAS you will ever buy. I've had the REALLY old Saitek 32, the blue one after it, and then this beast, and considering it's build quality, this could sell at the double price, and still be worth it!
My X-45 (the blue ancestor to the 32 that you mentioned!) just died today, and I've spent the day agonizing over what to replace it with. I'm stuck between X-56 as a stop-gap, this Warthog as a high-ish-end plug and play option, or go buck wild with like a custom setup using a VKB flight stick, rudder pedals, and like a Warthog standalone throttle.... Really makes you wish you could actually test any of these products before buying to see if it fits your desires eh. Anyway. How would you describe the flight stick motion compared to the X-32 or X-45? Both of those old sticks use the frankly awful single spring, causing a massive central bump and this weird sensation that once you've moved the stick in one direction, it no longer has any resistance going a new direction... Since the spring is already compressed by the first motion. Does the Warthog have "disconnected" axes, so to speak? If you move it up or down fully, does is still have the expected amount of resistance going left and right? And vice versa... And does it have a "bump" when you pass by the center? Would love to know since you have experienced the X-45, as I have! Should be able to relate.
Well it does have a noticeable Zero-spot, but i guess due to it's weight, the bump going over it does not feel too bad. That zero-spot is ever so small, that even with the slightest deviation from the axis you won't notice it all. In fact, i just took it to check your question, and i had to move it 5 times to hit the axis right to feel it. During flight i doubt you will hit the spot. I have taken this joystick apart a few times, because the mechanism behind it allows something cool: You can adjust the tension of the spring. It has 2 springs, one below and a big one on top. If you change that, you can bring down the tension by about 70%! Because i mostly fly helicopters, i am not a huge fan of high tension joysticks, makes hovering to much harder, but with my helicopter setup, you can kill that zero-spot off completely, no bump whatsoever.
Holger Heinrich That sounds really great, thanks a lot for the feedback and that tip - even though I mostly fly DCS jets, I'm not a fan of high tension either, I prefer a stick that just kind of barely self-centers, and it sounds like I can make it pretty much however I want with some tinkering. Great stuff! I've also seen some more significant hardware mods being developed as kits for this stick, and heck even some stick bases that is compatible with the Warthog stick... So it seems no matter what I do, this will stay relevant for a long time. I think you just sold a Warthog, Thrustmaster owes you a share :D Thanks again for the feedback!
@@inscrutablewut Only takes a few minutes. The game literally has an easy start button for lazy people. But I don't come to Linus for quality reviews. They are shills for whichever sponsor is paying that day.
@@inscrutablewut the A-10 is complex when you actually intend to fly it properly and thoroughly, when it comes to JUST flying, the SAS pretty much balances out even an untrimmed bird
I got this kit when it was on sale at Micro Center for $300 so I could play some Elite: Dangerous. It is everything Luke said it is. You'll never get me to go back to my old Microsoft Sidewinder joystick after using this HOTAS kit. Recommended.
Fábio he stated this... Several times.. He said it wasn't really meant for hair trigger games and it was more for simulation and "real feeling" stuff. That being said, there's nothing wrong with using it for Star Citizen and ED. I'm an avid FSX, P3D, and DCS enthusiast and I can still say that when SC comes out, this will definitely be my HOTAS of choice.
the first time i heard a youtuber pronounce warthog correct, it is wart hog, not war thog, like most yourubers pronounce it, thank you for pronouncing it the right way
To review this and not show it with DCS A10c is a waste of time! And the trigger is so heavy and has such a long travel distance because it is two position, no mention of that here!!! In the A10c, the first position steadies the aircraft on target and the second position fires the cannon. As for the included software, I've never used it. Connect this to your computer, start up DCS A10c and all buttons are automatically assigned to exactly what they have to do So, basically, this HOTAS and Throttle was built for DCS. Yes you can use it for other games, but unless you have DCS, its wasted on everything else.
He literally talked out of his ass when he said "the software is a nightmare when binding buttons". It was built for DCS you fkn dweeb. I have literally seen this hotas in action from a friend of mine, plugged it right it, loaded up free flight in the a-10, everything functioned.
It doesn't have short travel on the trigger, It instantly shoots. When you pull it all the way back it's a secondary button. If you gently squeeze you can fire primary weapon then secondary with full pull. Or whatever you can binid it to with being creative.
You forgot one important thing. You need to buy rudder pedals, as it doesn't have twist. I know many Elite Dangerous players who have to use a switch for Yaw which is kinda garbage.
Yaw in ED is not exactly the most important thing, especially on heavier ships. And if you really cant live with yaw on HAT switch, then go buy pedals, if you have money for Warthog, you definitely can afford pedals too. Meanwhile the Warthog stick without yaw axis is much more precise than any yawing stick ever will be simply because you cant input wrong movement by operating 3 axies with one hand.
Ok you've made a few points. First yes yaw does matter and I fly all ships of all mass categories. It especially matters in interdictions. Second my opening point is still sailiant as all other sticks even half the warthogs price are twist. People assume the warthog is also twist. I definatly did until one of my buddies mentioned it didn't. The T.16000m has the exact same sensor and twist as the warthog so I'd like to see a comparison to see, if your theory is correct. I do agree about the if you buy a warthog you should afford petals but again Luke should have mentioned this. It's a legit discussion to have and he shortchanged the audience.
***** yes its a legit problem with the review im with you on that one. as for the theory, it is physically impossible for human to not to input movement on X and Y axis on a stick when manipulating Z twist axis. You can get used to it, you can mitigate it but the physical fact is that Z axis will always introduce "noise" movement on main two axies. The reason that Hog doesnt have the Y axis is most probably exactly that reasoning and the fact its targeted at enthusiast buyers that are expected to have rudder pedals. And i too shared the "why the hell it doesnt have twist" thinking for a while, but more info i looked up on the Hog more i slotted into "it actually makes sense" mentality ... so today i ordered mine after 4 months of "should i, should i not" ... xD and i do not have pedals yet btw, those are on my buylist for next month (probably TM or Saitek cheap ones before i commit to something more expensive like MFG Crosswind or Slaw Device which are both on order pay up front handcrafted builds :) )
Asghaad I'm by no means suggesting it should have twist, though a premium stick from TM should exist with twist and the new FCS system isn't quite that. Also the warthog is the official A-10 stick, and the A-10 doesn't twist. I was simply saying a test between the T.16000 and the WH would be interesting to see how much effect there is. For now I'm buying the new FCS stick.
***** well i was also thinking about buying the T.16000M FCS instead but i decided that if im going to spend money on HOTAS i will go all the way and buy Warthog, get used to it for a month then buy pedals for it :) and considering that im going to plug it in my 3000+ EUR computer rig (including monitor and other peripherals ) i think holding back to buy mid-low range HOTAS wouldnt be my style xD yeah i know im crazy when it comes to my beloved PC xD
This is the first time that something I bought in Europe was cheaper in North America. I bought my HOTAS Warthog three years ago for 300 euros, which is 410 Canadian Dollars. As for the unit, it's amazing, especially if you are going to use it for the DCS A-10C. With the DCS A-10C, it's a plug and play device, so no configuration needed. I use it for other sims, such as Elite Dangerous, other DCS modules, Flight Simulator X and X-Plane. If you're looking for realism, this is where it's at. Also, if you learn to properly use this thing, you'll have an advantage over most other simmers in combat situations, because you have the precision of the stick which is unmatched.
Owned the Warthog A10C stick for a year or two, and its like new still. One switch is starting to wear a little bit, but its because i use it constantly. Its a Simulator Stick, not to be 1337 in games, although the added weight and stiffness to the stick is superior for precise movement, it is hard to make twitch movements and fast arcady gameplay, I wouldnt use this in warthunder or any arcady type of game. You need a game where physics and weight is modelled. I mostly play Elite with it today, sometimes DCS. But in Elite, its fantastic. I would only recommend it, if you are a sim player.
wobbly868 Woooo? Really? Did you hear that from Discovery? The only real qualities it had were its range and high maximum speeds. The rest of success was formed by the tactics where the P51 attacked germans from above, who in their turn had to deal with the bombers. In case of Bf109 - they had additional cannons on the wings which restricted their speed and maneuverability. In a straight combat fighter vs fighter it's not so good. Now if we talk La-7... There was a scenario when two P51 attacked two La-7 by surprise mistakening them for FW190. The first La-7 was taken down easily, but the second one shot down both P51's. Now if we talk British Hawker Tempests... Well it's good you guys didn't have to fight those :p
IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad, and the extension Battle of Moscow. Also known as IL-2 BOS and IL-2 BOM are now 64bit and are great. You must also get a trackIR5 for head tracking in the cockpit.
Agreed other than I'd say skip the TrackIR - I used mine exactly 3 times and the effect it added was very marginal. While I know the cost is much higher if you want more immersion than monitor(s) VR is the way to go. Warthog + VR + Elite Dangerous = you are flying in space.
If you are serious about flight sims trackir is invaluable, anyone into combat flight simulations will tell you the same. If you didn't use it more than 3 times I honestly don't think you even gave it a fair chance. While VR is cool and all the readability of gagues etc in sims like DCS still isn't good enough due to the fairly low display resolutions of the current VR headsets, untill that improves TrackIR is still the way to go.
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that one of the reasons for the long travel on the trigger is that it's actually two buttons. There is a click about a quarter to a third of the way along the travel and another when it's all the way in. This can be bound in most games to two separate functions. Obviously, if the travel was really short, you'd be activating both functions by accident so the long travel is there so you don't accidentally activate the second trigger by mistake. There is also an adjustable screw that allows you to adjust the travel on the pinky trigger so it can be as long or as short as you like so that one can be a hair trigger if you prefer. There are also lift points on the throttle so you can slide the throttle past 0 into an idle position (which contains a programmable button if you wanted it to, for example, disable the engine). There is also the same at the top end, beyond the 100% that also contains a button for afterburner/turbo/overdrive functionality.
The reason it has a long trigger is because it is a two stage trigger like the real A-10. First stage on the A-10 stabilizes the plane for strafing runs with the gun then second stage is the actual trigger.
Surprised that Luke didn't mention it, but it's important to note that the Warthog stick doesn't have a twist axis and that if you want that extra control, you'll need to fork out for some rudder pedals. Not a dealbreaker by any means, just important to note, especially for space sims where you need all the axes you can get.
My brother has this and your video doesn't represent the quality of it. Somehow it just does not look as high quality as it actually is. You should also have included some clicking sounds to show how stiff everything is.
Yes it leave us all wondering now what we didn't see that could possibly make this even better. Would be unfortunate to watch linustechtips videos with two grains of salt instead of just one :P If we see more such comments I mean.
K3V0M I do know what you mean. In the flesh the thing does look better than in the video, you can see that its painted metal whereas the video seems to add a plasticky effect. Definitely one to look at for real.
I wish Luke had made note that it's the best software on the market that comes from a manufacturer. It may not be great, but it is the best when looking at all the options. I own this thing and it is beyond fantastic.
I got this stick only from Microcenter open box for $145. It is absolutely bad ass. I was originally gonna go with a CH Fighter stick and only got this to resale, but this thing feels so good I had to keep it. It is a little tough to move, actually tough isn't the right word. It is smooth and 'tight', but it doesn't really fatigue me. I've only played Elite with it so far though.
A few players I know use this in Elite Dangerous. I play it in VR (which is simply amazing) and I have the Thrustmaster T16000m flight stick, but for throttle and other flight controls, I went with a razer tartarus chroma. has all the buttons I need to play Elite in VR with everything reachable without moving the hand off the rest.
You know why the trigger is so slow that’s because in the a-10 if you are flying direct to your target but are not in range you can already push the trigger to a certain point because it’s a 2 stage trigger and when your in range and lined up with your gun the only thing you have to do is push it a little bit further and bam enemy dead
If you're in the price range for this, you should definitely consider stuff like VKB sticks or Virpil. You can get extenders that make the stick a lot taller and give you even more control. And I don't recommend the throttle at all -- it's a lot of specialized switches for the A10C, many are "permanent" so don't act as on/off buttons, and if you're flying in VR, they're hard to use. A CH throttle isn't anywhere near as cool, but it's way more functional.
The main thing missed here is how good flying the DCS A-10C is in this thing. The entire HOTAS system is completely accurate to THAT aircraft, so if you are a fan of high fidelity sims, you cannot go wrong with the DCS A-10C. Strap on an Oculus and set your PC up to minmise judder, and being able to feel our way around this HOTAS system is one of the best experiences in flight simming. The big BUT is that I do mean *simming*. Its a hardcore product, both the A-10C and this stick. If you are the kind of person that loves study sims and has the patience to figure them out (Arma 3 A-10 yank and bankers will hate it), then sitting down, running a startup routine super quick, taxiing to a runway and applying full throttle with a great many of the actual physical controls available, then its an experience that is unmatched.
Also the software might seem clunky but the ability to write custom scripts (which the Saitek sticks don't have) gives it almost unlimited possibilities. It's designed more like an engineering software than a driver for a game controller
I've had mine since it's inception and love the metal/quality feel of the stick in particular. A former F-18 pilot, I find the throttle to stiff in comparison the the '18's in any but it's lowest friction setting. I like the stick but would like the adapter for a true fighter, between the knees feeling. There is one available as I understand it.
smooth at first, but after one month of use, the stiction came about. The static friction is much greater than dynamic friction so when making precision work such as gunnery and formation flying, it's rather frustrating. The joystick sensor is very accurate, but it's rendered entirely moot if mechanical accuracy is not there. The solution is to take the joystick base apart and replace the existing grease with a better plastic safe grease. It's not hard but soldering is most likely required as breaking wire is almost certain if you don't know what you are doing. I've replaced the grease with Molykote EM-30L as suggested in the forum and now the stick is buttery smooth.
You sounded as if it were weird that the warthog has an afterburner detent. The A-10C employs the f-15 throttle, which does have afterburners. The stick came out of the f-16, and you can probably fly either pretty freaking well with TM Warthog. I'm probably going to find some hand screws to make it easy to flip the detent around.
I think most of the points are actually very valid. I love my thrust master, and actually bought a second for a second rig, but it has some drawbacks. I will say that all those drawbacks (trigger fatigue, slower response) are inherent to the heavy, high quality design...so, no getting around that and I’ll gladly take the trade off. On thing I do take sliiiiight issue with is the target software comments. Admittedly when I first got the joystick I thought the software was crap, and to be fair-if that was my impression...maybe it is to a point. After all...good software takes complex things and makes them simple. That said, after learning how it works-the software is amazing. I literally have all my joystick and thrust buttons bound to keyboard buttons, allowing me to use the stick with any game, navigate me menus without a keyboard (important for elite dangerous vr) etc.
Just orders one of these. Felt a bit on edge after Thinking have I just spent too much on something that's not going to give me the feel I was looking for.. Paid just over £200 gbp for stick and throttle. Watched a couple of reviews that left me no wiser to what was bothering me. Eventually came across this review that actually answered all what I wanted to know. And now left me with a big smile and a eagerness for it to arive at my door :) upgrading from my x-52 that I can say is a brilliant stick with a good enough feel for a average to just above gamer hotas (only issue was a annoying sqeek that developed while pulling back fully on the stick... Soon sorts by a lil lubrication) good review, enjoyed watching and found usefull. Now looking foward to my new warthog hotas :D
Forgot to mention that the stick can be replaced and customized with the F-16 stick. Looking forward to ordering mine. I have been waiting to get this setup for almost 15 years!! :-D
What I want to know is why we are using plane-styled thrust for space games - play some Space Engineers and get used to the way that turning the way you're facing DOES NOT equal moving in that direction, it just feels like that's the way it should be...
Decided on the CH HOTAS instead though I must admit I liked the idea of the quality of the Warthog. CH Manager software (though ancient looking) is rock solid.
Immersion is the main reason I play video games :-) I may never drive a Ferrari in real life, but with the right peripherals I'll come real close haha. And that's good enough for me.
It is mostly plug and play even with the DCS A-10C flight sim. The software works fine but will take time to learn to fully enjoy its depth and capability.
I actually had a chance to use this for a week while I was in Florida, and good god it was awesome. It made me want to actually get a joystick for warthunder
I wish there was a joystick between the warthog and the rest. I like the warthog quality, accuracy and deadzone. Wish it also had a more modern video game button layout/quantity, a console tumbstick, and torso twist. And of course for half the price :p
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How can you review this without playing DCS A-10C? That stick was made for that game! C'mon!
The Stowaway. You are absolutely right. literally. It was made for that game.
Simple reason. The A-10C in DCS is one of the most complex modules from DCS due to its computer and all of those switches. Yes this flight stick will be a huge help since those switches and buttons SHOULD work as they would on a A-10, but I highly doubt Luke will spend the time over the course of days (or weeks if he's slow) learning how to fly the A-10 for this review. However I am agreement with you, I do think they should've tested the game the Joystick was made for, even at the cost of time.
For sure this module is complex, but not difficult. At least for me it wasn't.
I managed to learn 80-90% of the checklists in a single rainy saturday ... Maybe I'm an "alien" :D
I'm jealous of you man.. I wish I could learn the A-10C as fast as you. But people do learn at different paces and I'm pretty sure it would've been a new experience for Luke since I don't think he's ever played a DCS module in like... ever
A Tank Dressing Kitty do you need someone to teach you?
Your complaints about the trigger are void, it's a 2-stage trigger and the 1st stage activates with very little trigger push.
Thanks, am looking to get one of these and it's cool to know a light press can arm weapons.
@@Dagoth_Ur_1 In the A10C the 1st stage stabilizes the plane
@@Dagoth_Ur_1 Yea. the primary trigger is a 2 stage. at around 40-50% depress you get trigger 1 and a full depress activates both buttons.
Also there is no twist access on this stick.
2 stage trigger for either firing the laser for LGBs or stabilizing the plane. There's a reason it has it LTT. Using a flight sim stick for an arcade game just doesn't work out.
2 stage because the A-10 has stabilization for when you use guns. That first stage is what activates the stabilization normally
Why do you review a device designed specifically for flight simulators, DCS in particular, and then completely avoid any testing on one, especially considering you can get dcs:world for free with 2 planes? It's like reviewing a baseball bat by playing cricket.
Probably because even the free/easymode planes in DCS are way way way out of anyone at LTT's depth. They would probably have been flamed more for trying to cover it than by not doing it. And I actually think that was a perfectly good decision - there are many other reviews of this product in the more hardcore sim community.
@@Mythricia1988 sure, DCS is tricky for tech reviewers and journos who can't put time into it, but flying in a straight line with a roll or a turn at some point wouldn't exactly require a US Navy pilot to pull it off
Because he's not a flight simmer. He's a gamer.
It's like getting a baseball bat and not playing cricket? You serious?
@@Draganox25 I thought that was a pretty good analogy
The master of thrust
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***** Joy stick...
Yeah, I cannot take that name seriously.
The guy who named the company is genius
>Reviews replica flight-stick
>Tests it in Elite: Dangerous
Jesper And from what I can tell, shoots a civilian near a station in a Sidewinder.
Have you seen the detailed cockpits of star citizen ships? They have warthog style joysticks in their ships.
Honestly though who cares what they use it for, space sims are just as deserving of warthog greatness.
@@ailfawka6278 playing space sims without stick twist... argh
@@Drogenopa1 my left stick has twist, but I have a warthog on the right.
@@Drogenopa1 If you get a warthog you probably have rudder pedals too, no need for twist.
Why didnt you play a flight sim like DCS in this video?
Edward Novick I'm guessing because 1. He has to buy it 2. He doesn't know how to even start the plane.
Because that takes a degree to play it.
Hendlton DCS World is free, as well as the TF-51 and Su-25
Jeremy Bullphrog Well it's called the Warthog A10C so not flying the A10C would be just wrong and as far as I know, the A10C isn't free.
Hendlton If you can get a a-10c hotas, you can probably afford to get an a-10c in DCS
Tests it in Elite: dangerous
Dcs: am I a joke to you?
Not everyone has the time to put into learning a sim. He's a gamer first.
@@Killswitch1411 flying the low fidelity su 25t isnt that hard, just play the training mode
Everything you guys review is out of my reach , both in availability and affordability XD
***** i am not sure
Cause I am not?
Most random conversation ever xD
WistfulBreeze actually no. I know that guy. xD
after watching this video my wallet said "fuck you" to me.
"In combination with VR... I hope someone will feed me..." pure class (and most definitely seconded) :D
Your review was pretty accurate, I was explaining it to a friend and it was almost word for word. This stick is awesome, previously running an x52 pro which was pretty damn good the Warthog blows it away. In VR I didn’t struggle to feel my way around the flip and toggle switches. I setup for pulling out the throttle to engage afterburner on the F-14 in DCS. It’s a little awkward and not native to the F-14 but something that gives dynamic to the gameplay. You’re absolutely right about the trigger, launching missiles is oddly satisfying compared to other Hotas. I’ve spent some time in military grade sim cockpits, short of having a pressure resistance stick this is about as close as you’re gunna get for your home. I would say it’s worth the money.
You can find much better options out there than just the Warthog now. Back when this review was released perhaps the Warthog is "as close as you're gonna get" as you called it, but nowadays you have companies VKB, Virpil or Winwing that make much better products with better technology.
Mind you, the Warthog is still a good piece of kit, but now they're nowhere close to the top when it comes to HOTAS, especially for the current price.
I like how it doesn't look cheap and is made with quality, although I think I would prefer the thrusters to move quicker. As a side note, I'm glad LMG is reviewing H.O.T.A.S, especially now that Elite Dangerous has been released on steam. Hoping to see some more of this.
it's too bad you didn't test this with the software it was made in mind for. DCS World: A-10C
Im sorry mate but i cant like the comments because the number 69
Would love for you to do an updated video on this topic with Virpil or VKB
This stick, the MFG pedals, a sturdy steel base to mount it all on, and a VR setup in Elite Dangerous was an absolutely phenomenal gaming experience. I had to make myself stop because it was eating up all my time.
Targeting merchant ships at a neutral station? I thought you guys were better than that!
for the trigger,
I take some clear tape and put it over the trigger, place my finger on the trigger, press halfway and them wrap the tape around the back.
now it will be much shorter and quicker.
simple tip for anyone who likes a short travel trigger.
love the videos BTW!
I love the triple monitor setup
Yeah, apart from that VR has no multitasking ability or monitor real estate space. VR also has quite the way to go until it's 4K.
***** What he said.
***** And what about people who get motion sickness from wearing them? Or people who just don't want to wear headgear to use a computer? Pretty sure I'm not clueless, you're just being close-minded.
I see you everywhere. .-.
***** me?
I have always been a major proponent of the ergonomic corner desk, when I was young I always wanted a battle station or cockpit, so I set up a corner desk inside of a large utility closet and the sound was great inside there, I just got tired of using my closet space for a desk. This was long before any of us had anything like battles stations, or cockpits in our homes. A corner desk gives you a more ergonomic pocket that you can customize, put a large curved monitor in the corner, using the vesa mounting option at eye level, it's a good foundation for a corner cockpit. Plus you can actually use it as a desk. Then you can use a HOTAS on top, or whatever you like and it will feel better.
you don't want fast response in flight sims or even space sims, you want to learn your controls and get reliable response, flight tactics are all about being able to do the same thing over and over, twitch responses are rarely consistent, practiced responses are much more reliable.
I have had this stick with throttle for more than 2 years now. Worth every single cent. Especially with DCS' A-10
7 years later with all the price hikes/inflation Thrustmaster is still selling these (the updated version) for $550.
Yeah you can get a Winwing Orion 2 for 400$ which is just so much better
@@FPSOlaf not with a throttle.
@@Toutvids Yes with a throttle. You can see it on their website for 400$
@@FPSOlaf 400 + 100€ tax + 75€ shipping
@@vondalo5504 I got mine for about 600, orion 2 f16..
This is one of the best videos you've done Luke.
Derek Fletcher That's because Linus was out of town... Ohhhh burn..
lol. Poor Linus
I’m here because of Star Wars: Squadrons and he’s wearing a Star Wars shirt lol
Same, this and battlefield lol
Yes
@@deadislander0167 battlefield has aweful flight mechanics to waste a flight stick on it
I wish they weren’t so goddam expensive
@creatine izbeast I posted this comment before the game was even released. I never said I like it lmao
I love seeing you play with a thrustmaster in a cockpit
2:03 Playing a bit of Star Citizen race are we?
6 years and still one of the best
I own it and I use it for my flying in Prepar3D, love it! Feels solid, had a Thrustmaster Hotas Cougar before and the Warthog is a drewm to fly with, so solid and precise.
Is there a 'Profile' available for it? I have it too.
For those of you watching now, if you are eyeing the DCS F-16C, it should be noted the stick on the A-10C for which this was made was actually retrofitted from the 16 when the 10 was upgraded to the C model- some buttons do different things, but they are the same buttons, in the same stick. So, this is a replica of the 16C stick (minus the slight forward tilt, and with more movement) as well.
So you played Star Citizen and Elite with a Warthog? You might as well play hockey with a golf club!
Hojam is the way to go. Best of both worlds
HUUURRRR i play complex flightsims so i must be better than you.
fuck off please. if people want to play a game with good hardware, fucking let them.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'd have plenty of fun being better than simple Simon while flying my Origin 300i with a TM Warthog in Star Citizen but it would have been nice to see more than the mere mention of a flight sim in the review of a product purpose built for flight sims since people who are interested in the device are highly likely to want to know how it performs in its' natural habitat.
Jimmy Blonde I agree with that. When I see a Warthog HOTAS review, I expect to see some DCS on those screens. A heavy, deliberate trigger makes a lot more sense when you're only pulling it for a half-second in a three-hour play session. The thing's target audience, though, is already well aware of its existence and quality. They either have one, are saving up for one, or decided long ago that it wasn't worth it for them. I don't expect a lot of gamers to buy kit like this for Battlefield or ARMA.
They're definitely aware of its' reputation, maybe not so conversant with its' full functionality and the real advantages of owning one. I'd like to see another video exploring that.
i dont normally like, liking videos but today i really want to show support for an item they actually and genuinely enjoyed. more please.
I wonder if you guys are going to review the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS. It's going to cost around 130 USD and it's one of the very few mid-range HOTAS systems out there. Wondering if we should stick to the 60 dollar range with stuff like the T-Flight HOTAS X. Will putting down twice the money be worth it?
When is it coming out and is it expected to be able to switch for left handed use as well? I was looking at the T16000M but if this is coming out, I might just have to wait a little longer. I'm so excited for Star Citizen!!!
Jesse Reyes It is coming out early September, the 2nd according to some websites. It is essentially, from what I've read and seen, a updated T16000M plus a new throttle. Looking forward to it, too!
Thank you for getting my eyes on this. Instead of two T.16000M's this may be more suitable due to all the directional inputs on the throttle.
I really hope they do a review on the T 16000M hotas. My research is incomplete without seeing that hotas.
Love mine. Doesn't feel like a toy.
Yes im late to the party but i just got one - the quality is truly top notch! I used to have a Saitex X52 Pro but never like the stick's limp tension. The Warthog stick has great tension, tight, weighted and robust. The price has went up to $500 due to demand exceeding supply but its totally worth it. I no longer have "game peripherals" on my desk, i have military grade aviation components
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It's not worth it no, go with a vkb and virpil for better sensors
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Menwulf That list *is* from Vessel. That's the point.
WayZHC Oops sorry should learn to read :D
Fuck vessel. In one years time I wanna see how much you use it when you have to pay to watch reviews of shit that you will probably never get (let's be real here). I can watch it here 3 days later and save shit loads of money.
Luke from the past Flight Sim 2020 Loves this.
Best stick I've ever owned, I couldn't fly with anything else.
[AKA] Kraut! Is it force feedback?
Oh yeah? How about now? virpil-controls.eu/
Yh I use mine in a 737 max dat y it such a successful plane
4 years later, bet you don't say that now lol
@@Dupawpaski I'd like virpil if they weren't overpriced and almost never in stock.
I agree with "The Stowaway" and I absolutely love DCS World (not steam edition but rather Open Beta). I use this HOTAS for every jet and module I own in DCS. It's such a beast and once I pair it with the proper rudder pedals I will be so happy. I'm holding off on setting up a profile for ED just yet because omg the amount of bindings lol. It's the beastiest beast of a HOTAS I've ever used! (I'm also a disabled prior USAF Special Operations veteran so this HOTAS was already on my mind when I was looking for one to purchase for myself !! :) )
'for diplomatic reasons'... had a good laugh at that
The software does provide a lot of control, though. Keys can be set to toggle between different key presses and and can change their purpose based on a long button press or quick button press. It comes with its own simple programing language for key control.
Basically, it's an advanced system that requires a good deal of learning to use, but it gives the user an insane amount of control regarding how the buttons work.
logitech should make one. they always seem to balance price and build quality pretty darn well
I bought this right when it came out, and ever since it has never let me down. No part failed, or showed any weakness in construction, and even it it did, you could take it apart and exchange the faulty part. This is the last HOTAS you will ever buy. I've had the REALLY old Saitek 32, the blue one after it, and then this beast, and considering it's build quality, this could sell at the double price, and still be worth it!
My X-45 (the blue ancestor to the 32 that you mentioned!) just died today, and I've spent the day agonizing over what to replace it with. I'm stuck between X-56 as a stop-gap, this Warthog as a high-ish-end plug and play option, or go buck wild with like a custom setup using a VKB flight stick, rudder pedals, and like a Warthog standalone throttle....
Really makes you wish you could actually test any of these products before buying to see if it fits your desires eh.
Anyway. How would you describe the flight stick motion compared to the X-32 or X-45? Both of those old sticks use the frankly awful single spring, causing a massive central bump and this weird sensation that once you've moved the stick in one direction, it no longer has any resistance going a new direction... Since the spring is already compressed by the first motion. Does the Warthog have "disconnected" axes, so to speak? If you move it up or down fully, does is still have the expected amount of resistance going left and right? And vice versa... And does it have a "bump" when you pass by the center? Would love to know since you have experienced the X-45, as I have! Should be able to relate.
Well it does have a noticeable Zero-spot, but i guess due to it's weight, the bump going over it does not feel too bad. That zero-spot is ever so small, that even with the slightest deviation from the axis you won't notice it all. In fact, i just took it to check your question, and i had to move it 5 times to hit the axis right to feel it. During flight i doubt you will hit the spot.
I have taken this joystick apart a few times, because the mechanism behind it allows something cool: You can adjust the tension of the spring. It has 2 springs, one below and a big one on top. If you change that, you can bring down the tension by about 70%! Because i mostly fly helicopters, i am not a huge fan of high tension joysticks, makes hovering to much harder, but with my helicopter setup, you can kill that zero-spot off completely, no bump whatsoever.
Holger Heinrich That sounds really great, thanks a lot for the feedback and that tip - even though I mostly fly DCS jets, I'm not a fan of high tension either, I prefer a stick that just kind of barely self-centers, and it sounds like I can make it pretty much however I want with some tinkering. Great stuff! I've also seen some more significant hardware mods being developed as kits for this stick, and heck even some stick bases that is compatible with the Warthog stick... So it seems no matter what I do, this will stay relevant for a long time.
I think you just sold a Warthog, Thrustmaster owes you a share :D Thanks again for the feedback!
Why the F didn't you try out DCS World A10C?!?!!?!?! i mean look at it, all the buttons on the stick and throttle works there!
my guess it would have taken them 3 hours to learn how to start/takeoff
@@inscrutablewut Only takes a few minutes. The game literally has an easy start button for lazy people. But I don't come to Linus for quality reviews. They are shills for whichever sponsor is paying that day.
tbh thats what it is designed for lol
@@inscrutablewut the A-10 is complex when you actually intend to fly it properly and thoroughly, when it comes to JUST flying, the SAS pretty much balances out even an untrimmed bird
I got this kit when it was on sale at Micro Center for $300 so I could play some Elite: Dangerous. It is everything Luke said it is. You'll never get me to go back to my old Microsoft Sidewinder joystick after using this HOTAS kit. Recommended.
He didn't got it. It is a modern jet fighet aircraft controls replica. Not intended for spaceship simulators.
Fábio he stated this... Several times.. He said it wasn't really meant for hair trigger games and it was more for simulation and "real feeling" stuff. That being said, there's nothing wrong with using it for Star Citizen and ED. I'm an avid FSX, P3D, and DCS enthusiast and I can still say that when SC comes out, this will definitely be my HOTAS of choice.
the a-10 isn't exactly modern
paulmaartin Well it's systems are pretty modern.
The HOTAS is from an A-10C with Suite 3, which is from 2005. So it is really young for an aircraft...
Fábio Fabio seems pretty vacant.
the first time i heard a youtuber pronounce warthog correct, it is wart hog, not war thog, like most yourubers pronounce it, thank you for pronouncing it the right way
Come on! Play DCS IT'S FREE. Buy the A-10C
p cOMMUNISTCONDOR free-to-play*
But the A 10 put 100 hours on learning how to fly and boom you got a video 😂😂
He could also just fly the SU25T or the TF51D because those are free as well in game
Djargen the 33 is free not the 27
Looking to buy as I am hanging for Star Wars Squadrons.
Thank you so much for your informative review.
For that just buy a tflight Hotas x , this thing is way overkill for star wars
To review this and not show it with DCS A10c is a waste of time!
And the trigger is so heavy and has such a long travel distance because it is two position, no mention of that here!!! In the A10c, the first position steadies the aircraft on target and the second position fires the cannon. As for the included software, I've never used it. Connect this to your computer, start up DCS A10c and all buttons are automatically assigned to exactly what they have to do
So, basically, this HOTAS and Throttle was built for DCS. Yes you can use it for other games, but unless you have DCS, its wasted on everything else.
He literally talked out of his ass when he said "the software is a nightmare when binding buttons". It was built for DCS you fkn dweeb. I have literally seen this hotas in action from a friend of mine, plugged it right it, loaded up free flight in the a-10, everything functioned.
@@Papagai990 that's what I am saying. I have literally used this HOTAS myself in DCS and it works straight out of the box!
Awesome work guys keep it up!
Normal plane, build it and fit a gun. Warthog, Build big ass gun and fit plane around it!!
Thus the HUGE turbofans in the back. Counterweights!
It doesn't have short travel on the trigger, It instantly shoots. When you pull it all the way back it's a secondary button. If you gently squeeze you can fire primary weapon then secondary with full pull. Or whatever you can binid it to with being creative.
You forgot one important thing. You need to buy rudder pedals, as it doesn't have twist. I know many Elite Dangerous players who have to use a switch for Yaw which is kinda garbage.
Yaw in ED is not exactly the most important thing, especially on heavier ships. And if you really cant live with yaw on HAT switch, then go buy pedals, if you have money for Warthog, you definitely can afford pedals too.
Meanwhile the Warthog stick without yaw axis is much more precise than any yawing stick ever will be simply because you cant input wrong movement by operating 3 axies with one hand.
Ok you've made a few points.
First yes yaw does matter and I fly all ships of all mass categories. It especially matters in interdictions.
Second my opening point is still sailiant as all other sticks even half the warthogs price are twist. People assume the warthog is also twist. I definatly did until one of my buddies mentioned it didn't.
The T.16000m has the exact same sensor and twist as the warthog so I'd like to see a comparison to see, if your theory is correct.
I do agree about the if you buy a warthog you should afford petals but again Luke should have mentioned this. It's a legit discussion to have and he shortchanged the audience.
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yes its a legit problem with the review im with you on that one.
as for the theory, it is physically impossible for human to not to input movement on X and Y axis on a stick when manipulating Z twist axis. You can get used to it, you can mitigate it but the physical fact is that Z axis will always introduce "noise" movement on main two axies.
The reason that Hog doesnt have the Y axis is most probably exactly that reasoning and the fact its targeted at enthusiast buyers that are expected to have rudder pedals.
And i too shared the "why the hell it doesnt have twist" thinking for a while, but more info i looked up on the Hog more i slotted into "it actually makes sense" mentality ... so today i ordered mine after 4 months of "should i, should i not" ... xD
and i do not have pedals yet btw, those are on my buylist for next month (probably TM or Saitek cheap ones before i commit to something more expensive like MFG Crosswind or Slaw Device which are both on order pay up front handcrafted builds :) )
Asghaad I'm by no means suggesting it should have twist, though a premium stick from TM should exist with twist and the new FCS system isn't quite that. Also the warthog is the official A-10 stick, and the A-10 doesn't twist.
I was simply saying a test between the T.16000 and the WH would be interesting to see how much effect there is.
For now I'm buying the new FCS stick.
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well i was also thinking about buying the T.16000M FCS instead but i decided that if im going to spend money on HOTAS i will go all the way and buy Warthog, get used to it for a month then buy pedals for it :)
and considering that im going to plug it in my 3000+ EUR computer rig (including monitor and other peripherals ) i think holding back to buy mid-low range HOTAS wouldnt be my style xD
yeah i know im crazy when it comes to my beloved PC xD
This is the first time that something I bought in Europe was cheaper in North America. I bought my HOTAS Warthog three years ago for 300 euros, which is 410 Canadian Dollars.
As for the unit, it's amazing, especially if you are going to use it for the DCS A-10C. With the DCS A-10C, it's a plug and play device, so no configuration needed. I use it for other sims, such as Elite Dangerous, other DCS modules, Flight Simulator X and X-Plane. If you're looking for realism, this is where it's at. Also, if you learn to properly use this thing, you'll have an advantage over most other simmers in combat situations, because you have the precision of the stick which is unmatched.
Try playing war thunder in 4k with that thing... never mind, you might never leave your apartment.
All you need now is TrackIR!
Xeffx I prefer a Oculus Rift or Vive, but you would need to dump the 4k then. But i think it would be much more immersive.
My dream. :D
Tobias L. TrackIr is lighter and you wont ruin your eyes as much.
Shit Thunder is a terrible use of this HOTAS.
Owned the Warthog A10C stick for a year or two, and its like new still.
One switch is starting to wear a little bit, but its because i use it constantly.
Its a Simulator Stick, not to be 1337 in games, although the added weight and stiffness to the stick is superior for precise movement, it is hard to make twitch movements and fast arcady gameplay, I wouldnt use this in warthunder or any arcady type of game. You need a game where physics and weight is modelled. I mostly play Elite with it today, sometimes DCS. But in Elite, its fantastic.
I would only recommend it, if you are a sim player.
can't get more american than an A-10 warthog
***** the plane so bad they named an even worse car after it!
There's always that some guy that hates America... Oh youtube, you never change.
wobbly868 It's mediocre at best. The 109s and 190s in DCS are far superior to the P51s.
wobbly868 Woooo? Really? Did you hear that from Discovery? The only real qualities it had were its range and high maximum speeds. The rest of success was formed by the tactics where the P51 attacked germans from above, who in their turn had to deal with the bombers. In case of Bf109 - they had additional cannons on the wings which restricted their speed and maneuverability. In a straight combat fighter vs fighter it's not so good.
Now if we talk La-7... There was a scenario when two P51 attacked two La-7 by surprise mistakening them for FW190. The first La-7 was taken down easily, but the second one shot down both P51's.
Now if we talk British Hawker Tempests... Well it's good you guys didn't have to fight those :p
i think the de havilland mosquito is the best ww2 plane
I bought this thing, it’s badass and super cool to have the switches on the throttle control your plane/ships engines like it was real.
Which Flightsimulation are best at this moment guys?
This HOTAS was models after the A-10 Warthog, so for a flight sim, I would suggest the DCS A-10C
DCS, Prepar3D, X-Plane
IL-2 Sturmovik Battle of Stalingrad, and the extension Battle of Moscow. Also known as IL-2 BOS and IL-2 BOM are now 64bit and are great. You must also get a trackIR5 for head tracking in the cockpit.
Agreed other than I'd say skip the TrackIR - I used mine exactly 3 times and the effect it added was very marginal. While I know the cost is much higher if you want more immersion than monitor(s) VR is the way to go. Warthog + VR + Elite Dangerous = you are flying in space.
If you are serious about flight sims trackir is invaluable, anyone into combat flight simulations will tell you the same. If you didn't use it more than 3 times I honestly don't think you even gave it a fair chance. While VR is cool and all the readability of gagues etc in sims like DCS still isn't good enough due to the fairly low display resolutions of the current VR headsets, untill that improves TrackIR is still the way to go.
One thing that wasn't mentioned is that one of the reasons for the long travel on the trigger is that it's actually two buttons. There is a click about a quarter to a third of the way along the travel and another when it's all the way in. This can be bound in most games to two separate functions. Obviously, if the travel was really short, you'd be activating both functions by accident so the long travel is there so you don't accidentally activate the second trigger by mistake.
There is also an adjustable screw that allows you to adjust the travel on the pinky trigger so it can be as long or as short as you like so that one can be a hair trigger if you prefer.
There are also lift points on the throttle so you can slide the throttle past 0 into an idle position (which contains a programmable button if you wanted it to, for example, disable the engine). There is also the same at the top end, beyond the 100% that also contains a button for afterburner/turbo/overdrive functionality.
Already seen this.
Vessel Master Race!
i think vessel sucks.
NO
FeuerToifel What a shame.
Mudbill i have that 1 year free vessel thing, but i just can't be bothered to go there. i also don't like the UI
I watched this in 1080p and higher, what kind of master race are you on?
The reason it has a long trigger is because it is a two stage trigger like the real A-10. First stage on the A-10 stabilizes the plane for strafing runs with the gun then second stage is the actual trigger.
jeebus. only four minutes...480P hasn't even uploaded yet. LOL.
Surprised that Luke didn't mention it, but it's important to note that the Warthog stick doesn't have a twist axis and that if you want that extra control, you'll need to fork out for some rudder pedals. Not a dealbreaker by any means, just important to note, especially for space sims where you need all the axes you can get.
Chris J Great info ask your mother for an extra cookie!
"It is probably a good idea not to have hair triggers all over the place for diplomatic reasons." hahaha
I have this HOTAS and LOVE IT! The programming is a bit of a hassle but like you mentioned, its well worth the work in the end.
My brother has this and your video doesn't represent the quality of it. Somehow it just does not look as high quality as it actually is. You should also have included some clicking sounds to show how stiff everything is.
"Somehow it just does not look as high quality as it actually is."? What the hell did you want him to show?
He said it's as authentic as you'll get, approved by the U.S. Air Force what more do you want?
Yes it leave us all wondering now what we didn't see that could possibly make this even better. Would be unfortunate to watch linustechtips videos with two grains of salt instead of just one :P If we see more such comments I mean.
He talked about the high quality throughout the whole video ;P
K3V0M I do know what you mean. In the flesh the thing does look better than in the video, you can see that its painted metal whereas the video seems to add a plasticky effect. Definitely one to look at for real.
I wish Luke had made note that it's the best software on the market that comes from a manufacturer. It may not be great, but it is the best when looking at all the options.
I own this thing and it is beyond fantastic.
"Feels real"
If you say that about elite dangerous, wait until you learn about dcs
What is that
I got this stick only from Microcenter open box for $145. It is absolutely bad ass. I was originally gonna go with a CH Fighter stick and only got this to resale, but this thing feels so good I had to keep it.
It is a little tough to move, actually tough isn't the right word. It is smooth and 'tight', but it doesn't really fatigue me. I've only played Elite with it so far though.
550 Canadian dollars, so that's like 10 quid?
C'mon, Canadian dollars aren't THAT bad. It's about $430 US.
lol
You can use Velcro to make lighter sticks seated firmly in place, approx $1 fix. Just don't forget to put painters tape under Velcro for easy removal.
what desk is that?
Obutto revolution. I got one myself! they are not cheap 98kg of steel!
A few players I know use this in Elite Dangerous. I play it in VR (which is simply amazing) and I have the Thrustmaster T16000m flight stick, but for throttle and other flight controls, I went with a razer tartarus chroma. has all the buttons I need to play Elite in VR with everything reachable without moving the hand off the rest.
i like milk
You know why the trigger is so slow that’s because in the a-10 if you are flying direct to your target but are not in range you can already push the trigger to a certain point because it’s a 2 stage trigger and when your in range and lined up with your gun the only thing you have to do is push it a little bit further and bam enemy dead
why havent we seen an updated joystick video in 7 years?
If you're in the price range for this, you should definitely consider stuff like VKB sticks or Virpil. You can get extenders that make the stick a lot taller and give you even more control. And I don't recommend the throttle at all -- it's a lot of specialized switches for the A10C, many are "permanent" so don't act as on/off buttons, and if you're flying in VR, they're hard to use. A CH throttle isn't anywhere near as cool, but it's way more functional.
The main thing missed here is how good flying the DCS A-10C is in this thing. The entire HOTAS system is completely accurate to THAT aircraft, so if you are a fan of high fidelity sims, you cannot go wrong with the DCS A-10C. Strap on an Oculus and set your PC up to minmise judder, and being able to feel our way around this HOTAS system is one of the best experiences in flight simming.
The big BUT is that I do mean *simming*. Its a hardcore product, both the A-10C and this stick. If you are the kind of person that loves study sims and has the patience to figure them out (Arma 3 A-10 yank and bankers will hate it), then sitting down, running a startup routine super quick, taxiing to a runway and applying full throttle with a great many of the actual physical controls available, then its an experience that is unmatched.
Also the software might seem clunky but the ability to write custom scripts (which the Saitek sticks don't have) gives it almost unlimited possibilities. It's designed more like an engineering software than a driver for a game controller
95% of sims and all good ones post 2000's will have switch and axis to be set in the options. no need to have macros
Very informative, I'm truly debating about purchasing a thrustmaster
man this thing is awesome, added to my bucket list...
Thanks for reviewing it.
Love my warthog (and crossfires). Nothing else compares.
I've had mine since it's inception and love the metal/quality feel of the stick in particular. A former F-18 pilot, I find the throttle to stiff in comparison the the '18's in any but it's lowest friction setting. I like the stick but would like the adapter for a true fighter, between the knees feeling. There is one available as I understand it.
smooth at first, but after one month of use, the stiction came about. The static friction is much greater than dynamic friction so when making precision work such as gunnery and formation flying, it's rather frustrating. The joystick sensor is very accurate, but it's rendered entirely moot if mechanical accuracy is not there. The solution is to take the joystick base apart and replace the existing grease with a better plastic safe grease. It's not hard but soldering is most likely required as breaking wire is almost certain if you don't know what you are doing. I've replaced the grease with Molykote EM-30L as suggested in the forum and now the stick is buttery smooth.
Nosk 007 Get some WD40
You sounded as if it were weird that the warthog has an afterburner detent. The A-10C employs the f-15 throttle, which does have afterburners. The stick came out of the f-16, and you can probably fly either pretty freaking well with TM Warthog. I'm probably going to find some hand screws to make it easy to flip the detent around.
I like how he was moving the joystick while moving the trim switch everywhere :)
I think most of the points are actually very valid. I love my thrust master, and actually bought a second for a second rig, but it has some drawbacks. I will say that all those drawbacks (trigger fatigue, slower response) are inherent to the heavy, high quality design...so, no getting around that and I’ll gladly take the trade off.
On thing I do take sliiiiight issue with is the target software comments. Admittedly when I first got the joystick I thought the software was crap, and to be fair-if that was my impression...maybe it is to a point. After all...good software takes complex things and makes them simple. That said, after learning how it works-the software is amazing. I literally have all my joystick and thrust buttons bound to keyboard buttons, allowing me to use the stick with any game, navigate me menus without a keyboard (important for elite dangerous vr) etc.
I love your intro guys I can just sit here and replaying that awesome tune :D
Just orders one of these. Felt a bit on edge after Thinking have I just spent too much on something that's not going to give me the feel I was looking for.. Paid just over £200 gbp for stick and throttle. Watched a couple of reviews that left me no wiser to what was bothering me. Eventually came across this review that actually answered all what I wanted to know. And now left me with a big smile and a eagerness for it to arive at my door :) upgrading from my x-52 that I can say is a brilliant stick with a good enough feel for a average to just above gamer hotas (only issue was a annoying sqeek that developed while pulling back fully on the stick... Soon sorts by a lil lubrication) good review, enjoyed watching and found usefull. Now looking foward to my new warthog hotas :D
Might this review have been by Ralfidude?
Forgot to mention that the stick can be replaced and customized with the F-16 stick. Looking forward to ordering mine. I have been waiting to get this setup for almost 15 years!! :-D
Looks awesome!!
What I want to know is why we are using plane-styled thrust for space games - play some Space Engineers and get used to the way that turning the way you're facing DOES NOT equal moving in that direction, it just feels like that's the way it should be...
Decided on the CH HOTAS instead though I must admit I liked the idea of the quality of the Warthog. CH Manager software (though ancient looking) is rock solid.
Immersion is the main reason I play video games :-) I may never drive a Ferrari in real life, but with the right peripherals I'll come real close haha. And that's good enough for me.
It is mostly plug and play even with the DCS A-10C flight sim. The software works fine but will take time to learn to fully enjoy its depth and capability.
This review convinced me to buy one from Amazon!! Thank you!
I can't believe you didn't even mention that DCS A-10C was the reason these devices were even conceived..... Still love mine to this day.
The Thrustmaster Warthog A10C looks great and i like the real feeling!
Best HOTAS review ever!
not in my opinion its a stick for flight simulation and not for star citizen/hawx
I actually had a chance to use this for a week while I was in Florida, and good god it was awesome. It made me want to actually get a joystick for warthunder
I wish there was a joystick between the warthog and the rest. I like the warthog quality, accuracy and deadzone. Wish it also had a more modern video game button layout/quantity, a console tumbstick, and torso twist. And of course for half the price :p