Ralfi's Alley- Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS Review
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This is the review for the Thrustmaster T.16000M FCS HOTAS.
I've had it for a few weeks and decided to give my two cents on the whole ordeal.
The thing looks dusty but I had literally just cleaned it and the dust just got incredibly attracted to it for some reason. Apologies for that.
This was shot on my Canon T6s, edited in Sony.
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Games played Arma 3, Elite Dangerous, DCS A-10C Warthog, and DCS P-51D. Other games were played as well but cut out due to timing constraints.
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Sunday - Otis McDonald
O. Sky - Otis McDonald
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Hah. You make a better review than a lot of actual reviewers. If you wanted to do this sort of thing, I don't think you'd find it hard to pull an audience! Great review.
He's not one?
Excellent review, I've had my T16000 for over a year now and I love it.
To complement your review:
1. PRO: The throttle index finger analog stick can be clicked in the same way console controller sticks can. This can be used to switched modes of use or for any other action you desire.
2. CON: The throttle slider got "sticky" after a couple weeks, I had to reduce the resistance considerably to be able to move is smoothly.
3. CON: After a long time, both the throttle analog stick and the main stick get stuck a tiny bit off the center position, I need to flick them to get them back to the very center. This is fixable by increasing deadzone, but I thought people should know about it.
One thing for anyone buying this today for DCS. I would recommend using one button on the throttle as a modifier (I found the leftmost pinky button to be the best). This allowed me to map ALL functions of all the fc3 planes onto the throttle and joystick without an issue. It really helps in vr where you can't really rely on your keyboard because you can't see it.
Nice review.
Danke
@@ralfidude Danke? Your German?
Wags!
how do i do it
I first didn't notice it because i speak german
god damn... gotta give it to you. This review was one of the best things I have ever seen xD when it comes to reviews. For a moment I thought I was watching one of those old TV commericals, with all those hand gestures. Funny and Informative ! Also spotted from the very beginig the lack of buttons on the joystick, tho from what you say it handles quite good, so it has that going for it
Hey u
Just to add an afterthought:
1) The amber light that glows when you push the stick might be annoying for some people and I'm unsure if the TARGET software lets you disable that.
2) Lack of dual stage trigger might be annoying.
3) Lack of dual throttles might be disadvantageous.
On the led: I openend my T.16000 joystick and cut one of the cables for the leds. Its just too annoying with them always turning on and off. I thought about unsoldering it from the pcb instead but it isnt easily accessible. Unsoldering would have allowed me to solder it back on in case it breaks and i have to sent it in for warranty.
ralfidude good review bro. good to see decent hotas's coming out. I agree though, it needs a joystick hat for elite at least.
Having trouble finding some profiles for this stick. Does anyone have some already made?
Make your own
You can certainly dim the lights
This is exactly what I was waiting for.
I want this HOTAS since it's announcement but I did not want to buy it until I had your opinion on it.
And you give me that on Black Friday.
I'll find a way to offer you a beer.
Thanks a lot Ralfi.
np, enjoy!
This is the most well made review video I've ever seen. I usually skim the hell out of these, but I watched this all the way through! Thanks!
danke
i have seen a lot of reviews for this and yours is by far the most in depth and informative. Thank you!
I've been sifting through reviews for hours. Thank you for a great review!
Even after two years it is still a brilliant review! Thank you!
Thanks for this extensive review, covering all the buttons that other reviewers did not. Top notch!
This was such a good review. You deserve more subs!
Your reviews show the most details I have ever seen. I think I will buy this. Thank you!
So glad they've done well with the throttle, the stick was already a decent and well established/trusted bit of kit
The flappy paddle axis on the front of the throttle featured on the much cheaper T-flight Hotas-x, and is a great alternative as a rudder axis if you don't like using the stick twist (no pedals)
Great review Ralfi, those demonstrational/presentational hand gestures... 10/10
Hellreign82 the throttle is horrible and feels ridiculously cheap. The throttle actually binds on the rails too. Literally the first thought I had when putting my hand on the throttle just made me cringe.....it feels like a hollow.
Won't some silicon spray help?
theeltea yes, but with the giant hole at the top of it, it attracts dust pet hair etc. i used some silicone grease and have to take it apart and clean it every week or two, and it still binds between cleanings. like a lot. pisses me off too, the rail thing was clearly a gimmick. would be cheaper and easier to use the standard arm, and i would be fine with it.
My throttle has always stuck. I actually prefer the more standard one from my cheaper thrustmaster.
This review is so well edited and formatted it I'm watching it a second time. You could make a career doing this.
Your content is amazing, your channel is so underrated i dont even understand why.
Very professionally done! And great review to boot! I don't think people realize how much post production work is required to make videos. Awesome, job well done!
Thanks a lot Ralfie, I was always interested in this HOTAS. Nice to see that it is more than a decent setup.
thank you, i have been looking at the three piece set of this and rudder pedals, and now my mind has been made. thank you!
You, sir, have just earned a new subscriber. Hands down, the best F16000m video review I have found in the the whole internet.
I have watched several reviews and I wondered what all the throttle extras were. I honestly thought they were just molded in for looks or something because NO ONE talked about them.
thanks for the thorough review Ralfi. I've been looking at this thing all day actually... and then you released this video lol
Very informative and brilliant review! Thanks a million from South Africa.
Finally a legitimately useful review! Thank you!
lov ur reviews, so honest and professional
Great review!!! This is the best review from all that I seen
You being so thorough certainly helped make up my mind
You're welcome bud!
You're great at these reviews, good job!
Thanks a bunch Ralfi your indepth reviews are always on point and im now throwing this bad boy in the amazon cart :)
What a great review even 4 years later. Good job m8
I think you've been away from Linebacker too long. You didn't seem so angry in this video.
Not much to be angry about... Except the lack of buttons... I promised myself I would try to make any next reviews at this level. Even if it's a Saitek.... (shudders at the thought)
I was never a fan of thrustmaster stick grips, because they have too few buttons. However that throttle is amazing. I designed my own before ever seeing this stick and it actually looked a lot like this one.
ralfidude As you alluded to in the video, modifiers are key (lul) with this stick. I used the orange thumb button on the right side of the throttle at the bottom to veritably double my joystick button count. Nice note about the front axis on the throttle too. I will have to test those as buttons given that I currently use the twist rudder on the joystick.
Vaelaar is it worth to get it for battlefield? and how is response time and accuracy?
niketariq Not sure if srs. I didn't know people used a full HOTAS for Battlefield. If that's not a thing, then no. I'd say this is overkill for the BF series. Save yourself money and get a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. No separate throttle but Battlefield isn't a flight sim so it seems to me like a bit too over the top unless you have the money to throw at it.
Edit: Never responded to accuracy and response. They are both top notch in my experience. Hall effect sensors make for a very accurate stick.
Beautiful review, well done.
I went and purchased the joystick after this review
I watched your review about three years ago when I was looking for a HOTAS I never did get one until a few months ago and I came back to watch this review again . I did get one this time !
Looks great especially with the lefty option for us few community members. Will be looking to pick this up soon!
Thanks for your review, I bought this and Do NOT regret it!
I got this fcs hotas (almost) 4 years ago on my birthday/Christmas (yes, it’s on the same day). I use it almost every day and I am still happy about this product.
In DCS F-16/AV8B it’s wonderfull to use. I use a modifier, but I have everything mapped what I want.
1,5 years later I bought also the pedals for it. Those are a little bit wonkey for my liking, but they still do the job.
Thanks Ralfi for this wonderfull review. It made my sim life much easier and a big step up towards a more stable ‘fighting’ spirit in multiplayer land.
On a side note: I am saving money now for an upgrade (VIRPIL) Hotas system.
Very informative and detailed review! Thumbs up for that!
I have watched each
of your hotas reviews over 5 times just because why not
dedication
@@ralfidude was expecting you to see this comment in about 3 years goddamn
Im glad thrustmaster took consideration for making the joystick compatible for left-handed people😀
or people who want to use it as an airliner sidestick
@@aspect0097 that too
Best reviews out there
Top-notch review. Thank you.
I was very worried about buying this particular throttle. This review makes me feel more secure about it :) thx for the video!!!
I've had mine for a year now. Was an upgrade for my then THM hotas x. What a world of difference. Btw, if you have no means of downloading and printing the base screw hole diagrams, I used a Polly pocket, turned my stick and throttle upside doon and used a sharply to draw the outline of the base and Mark the holes. Worked a dream. Mines mounted ither side of my chair arms. Also, it works with ps4. Superb. Cracking review.
I didnt know you were a Fed scrub in Elite, Ralfi...
Long live the Empire!
Subbed and liked this review was cazy good man great job!
Thank God for this video! I almost made the mistake of purchasing the X-56 Saitek HOTAS! Disaster averted!
Thank God for this video! I almost made the mistake of purchasing X-56 Saitek HOTAS! Disaster averted!
Thanx for the reivew i got this joy a while ago and now track ir and i'm living the dream :D
Picked this set up for $99 and love it. I use it for ED, MSFS, DCS, and Farming Simulator (yes, I know I'm weird). Found a set of Cougar MFDs for only $59.99 to compliment the hotas.
I really like your voice. Feels like a documentary. +1 sub :)
I´m using it for years and its working nice. I just had to set a death area on the joystick after 2 years but ony a small one. Now 3 years old and still good.
Loving this review, please do more. You focus on alot more things than other people.
As for the product I think it's great, the gaming community has been desperate for a good mid range joystick. While I own the warthog I may consider this for my other less intensive games as the warthog can be cumbersome to say the least.
Thrustmaster has done a good job, hopefully this will become a consistent pattern into the future.
I got the T.16000M recently (and I really wish I watched this beforehand, as I was nervous about what would be my first HOTAS) and this review nails everything. It's a really good setup and I've had no problems using in DCS or Arma 3, especially the buttons on the throttle which I can put all the important quick-reaction-required actions on (like flares and chaff).
I'm pumped. I just bought the TM T1600M FCS HOTAS Flight pack for $150 USD. Coming from only having the T1600M stick by itself the throttle and rudder pedals are a big upgrade with a lot of added functionality compared to what I had before. Ralfi's review just reinforced my opinion that I made a good purchase.
I use the paddle on the throttle to move my radar up and down in DCS. I love this setup. I did install bearings on the rail and my dad used his 3d printer to print the tray for the bearings and throttle. It is amazing.
Thanks for nice introduction for this HOTAS. Bought it and very happy with it. Keep up the good work Ralfi - ♪♫♥ ;)
Excellent review. Thanks.
From a Simmers myself i think this is the best review for this Joystick, and confirm my own ideas. Lack of Stick buttons, that is also the reason why Im waiting to replace my 10 years old X52 V1.
my HOTAS just got in a few days ago and omfg its such a good beginner FCS i would absolutely recommend picking one of these up
Man this HOTAS is good, so many options and possibilities. There are like 9 different axis on this thing, that's incredible. Big step up from an Attack 3 lol.
I love your review! I think I am going to buy the whole thing with its rudders.
Solid video, GG Ralfi. I picked one up a couple weeks ago and strongly agree that my biggest gripe is the 12 buttons (and slider) that are nearly useless on the flight stick in a HOTAS configuration. I got mine for Elite Dangerous and am enjoying using it, though I wish they had put more controls within 'fingers reach' on the flight stick instead of repurposing a previous design.
Also, I may be incorrect, but was under the impression the centering and resistance in the flight stick is magnetic, and not spring-based.
Thanks for the insightful review!
Just got a T16000 as my first stick based on this video, thanks very much for making it.
very good delivered review.thanks R A.
Great review and still current nearly four years later!
The ambidextrous thing is actually super useful for civilian sim folks like me, as quite a few planes (Such as the Diamond DA20 that I fly) rely on your left hand to use the stick, and the right to control the throttle. Definitely looking into this!
Excellent detailed review!
I know this review is over two years old, but I just wanted to say 'thanks' for teaching me about the throttle stiction adjustment! I hadn't seen that anywhere, and it's been my one annoyance with the throttle system.
np bud!
Great video Ralfi 👍🏻💯
I've since upgraded to the Warthog with the F/A-18 stick, and while i love it, I really don't mind this for games like Star Citizen and such. The throttle is a bit notchy, but all and all it's not bad. The finger paddles on the throttle give you good strafe, the slider on the stick gives you good vertical ascent and decent, all and all not horrid for the price. If you're looking to get into using a HOTAS, this is pretty not bad for the price and what it is. The one major downside I found is it requiring TWO USBs. Between mouse and keyboard, wheel, wireless connectors for the headset, xbox controller, and so on, if you don't have a good amount of USB ports, you're left constantly unplugging and plugging in things when you want to play different games.
thanks for a great run up on the T16 Its joystick is more precise and there are more than enough controls to cover almost every aspect for ED. Am replacing the cheaper
Thrustmaster which suffered from sloppy definitions for flight and targeting. Now to add Voice Attack and an IR set up in the coming month, Your presentation is much
appreciated. Thanks.
Excellent review!
I’ve had the T.16000M for a few years, more precisely since 2012, and I confirm that it is a pretty good joystick, especially for the price range.
I bought it after having been using the Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 since 2001. In 2012 the IR LED in the system that detects the presence of the hand and activates the Force Feedback started to fail, probably because of a worn cable or welding, and I thought I would conserve it as a museum piece and buy a new one.
So I chose the T.16000M
In fact, I’m on the second one, because the thrust slider on the first became faulty only after about 6 months, and that is the only really week point in this joystick.
I became especially fond of this stick after starting to use DCS World in April 2015. I can do almost everything with just the buttons on the joystick and two modifiers, the CTRL and SHIFT keys on the keyboard. Of course it takes a huge mental exercise to remember all those controls, especially in the A-10C and in the Ka-50, but if they are well planned then it becomes second nature.
I have to say though that either if you are right or left handed the buttons on the base either to the right or to the left side are extremely difficult to use, and almost useless, especially for critical or basic more common controls.
Also, the position of the slider, at the centre to accommodate both right and left handed players makes it a bit difficult to access too. I would prefer it on the left.
Now I will have to get one of these new HOTAS and see how it performs.
NightMan Forget mental exercise. I make a graphic showing my button binds. I make them multi layered in GIMP so that I can just edit to make a new one as another aircraft comes along.
What a great review! Thanks
really helpful reviews
amazing review ralf! +1
Best review I've ever seen. And I mean it. 😁
Excellent review!
6:03 - NOT PORN file ^_^
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lol
It's a folder not a file but it's still funny
@@dan3a bruh
Bruv
Perfect i just bought mine with the rudder for my a10 c II. I'm a lefty and I'm going to learn to fly right handed. So all the hats being on my left might help. Thanks for the review.
Thanks for that great review Ralfi..just snagged one of these based upon your thumbs up....
Great review! I have one, both Stick and Throtle (sp?) and it is awesome. I use it for Elite Dangerous.
4:00 I used the axis switch as my rudder before I got the Pro G Pedals.
It could also be used to angle the nozzles on a Harrier.
well this is litterly what im looking for thank you!
Thanks for the excellent review. I have newly been introduced to elite dangerous, and realized I needed a HOSTAS. I was a bit worried about price point for such a luxury item, but it seems like an worth-while investment. Subscribed (for more tech wisdom).
got the old T16000M for years now... all that ever went kaputt is the trigger. It still works but i need to push it a bit harder.
But i loved it.
Same thing. Trigger became slightly numb over time, but I still use it and got used to it. It still feels amazing, and has incredible precision and sensitivity.
Get In there and solder a micro switch to the board :)
That ever went kaputt haha Denglisch vom feinsten :D
This was still very good and ever surprising choise, to get now, 6 years later. Im really happy that I bought one! I started DCS after a long time, about over a year ago, with my ~20 years old first generation saitex 45, with self in tinned old ch pedals one em (LOL). Still played a year, and i really liked the feel of original saiteks throttle BUT it is shitty as hell what comes to any other thing. This is kinda vice verca. It is accurate as hell, after those saitek old sensors. Mine was also just at he end of their liftime so kinda any upgrade would have been good. But still today I would had need to put almost 400 bucks to have FULL hotas with hall (or samekind) sensors WITH this button configuration in my throttle. I also like the sticks buttons as well. That stick button #2 in the middle of the stick, under the pov switch, can be used as a pinkie (or at least my hand can) for that pov switch in the stick. In that way I have the two povs in the stick i have used to. Dont know if its even designed so, as the button in todays stick is even curved under to be just in correct spot just under the pov. (If it wasnt that "trim" design hat dunno if this would work, but with that "pyramid" design I noticed it is easy enough to use it in that way). I really are even overwhelmed what comes to buttons / axis in the throttle, as was kinda mentioned also here. Those two little buttons in front are really easy also to use as a pinkies, in a way that you can easily acces EVERY button and axis there is in the throttle, without moving hand anywhere. Just the finger moving the pinkie + the button itself :D (I would have said "without lifting a finger", but.. :) Only thing that bothers me is the "wobblyness" of the handle itself, when the friction screw of the throttle is loosened. It even shakes little bit (though not in use very much) when tightened. And ofc with this one have to be really carefull with that screw not to roll it over (tighten it too much)! Today there is full of upgrade kits, made by 3rd parties, to the throttles mechanics. Like roller bearings with metallic bearing plate, to replace the original "plastic against the rails" friction system. With silicon, gunoil, nyogel, etc also that original plastic plate "bearing" can be made pretty smooth, as it feels kinda sticky as new. Though, when i looked the insides of it, when the friction screw is loosened the handle gets to wobble a littlebit just because its built as it built (it can put the pressure to one rail more that to the other and vice versa, by how the hand is situated in different positions.) But thats not really an issue, and is not kinda thing I would be anykind of dissapointed or something in this price level, with all the positive things included! I am VERY happy with new TM t.16000m, I could not have gotten better HOTAS for my use, at this moment. And you can imagine how I feel now while flying after a year of thumbling with half broken SAITEK x45. I even trained AAR with that, to the point I could manage it with no big troubles, which now seems pretty crazy. (AAR btw with t.16000m went first time straight in the bucket and full tank with one connection. Which I dont remember doing any time before :P). I have been thinking to get more pricy virpil on wingwing stuff, but now when using this, have made me really wonder. With hard daily playing of DCS, ofc more or less everything worns on its time. Others faster, others take longer, but still they all worn, what comes to mechanics. With this price if I brake it, I dont cry, I buy a new one and party goes on. But If I brake 1000 dollar setup. I really cry, and I dont buy a new one. This ofc is a question of money, but as a Student in my old years, seemed better tactic to buy this. When I heard this was a hall sensor, and also in throttle the resolution is good, the choise was pretty clear. Still today...
And you guys can image the feeling, just bought f-16 after a year of fc3 planes and f/a -18, and new hotas, though cheap but this hotas. Sunday Monday Happy days.... I´m feeling like a cookie!
Thank you for your good review.
Quick tip! Lower the tension on the bottom adjustable screw if your throttle is sticking during slight throttle adjustments. Keeps it from being jumpy.
Thanks. I am going to buy this setup with the pedals. I had the full CH Pro kit years ago but don't want spend that much now. I currently have the old model stick configured as a left hander but will bite the bullet and start to use my right hand again. At least I have the second stick if I go down the two stick option :) Time to get my Track IR back out...
Thanks for the review
Great review and the T16000M is awesome. Recommend it ....
Great review!
I bought this setup, using it with my PS4 in ED.
Only downside is to find the "middle" on the throttle..
..Ofcourse I have solved this! Adding LED's - red, orange, yellow green and 1 blue for the center did it. Also, bought some silicone grease and added it to the throttle, so smooth movement..
Does this work with a PS4? It’s officially not supported.
Wow, you made a sale for Thrustmaster. I was thinking of either this or the entry level T-X flight before buying the warthog. Thrustmaster seems to make quality hotas when reading the reviews for their products. Just got ED for oculus which shows its perfect for it and hope this hotas will also work for eve as well. I also have MS flight sim which I think works with the T line of hotas. Awesome review, thank you much.
I really appreciate the review. It has been a long dream of mine to get a rig going with a decent HOTAS and being a fan of your videos I obviously got to add the Warthog HOTAS to that dreamlist. Never the less, with budget not allowing me to make all my dreams come true, I had to make a desicion. I ended up buying this very spesific stick, although it did not come with the throttle, sadly. I bought it about two weeks ago, so just before your video was released. The desicion was made between this stick and a couple of others and while a couple of the affordable choices i had lied between Thrustmaster and some other brands, I decided on this stick purely because of the HEART HALL sensor, or whatever its called. I have to say i am impressed and for the first time ever I can start my training and enter the world of flight. So don't shoot me down just yet LOL. (>.
Who knows, maybe i can one day fly alongside the great Ralfi
Great Review!
The extra YAW on the stick is great for 6 axis flying.
While I think that I will get the Warthog, it's still a steal for 200 euros for the entire set (incl. the paddles.)
got this as my first non keyboard control method (excluding some old PS3 controllers i have lying around) and i am NOT disappointed. i was actually surprised at how quickly i could get the hang of it, really great HOTAS for the price. my only complaint is that the throttle is a little bit "sticky" so its hard to do fine throttle adjustments, but i'm sure that will get better after using it more.
Good review. Particularily the point about not having 2 hat switches, its what i use most on my X52Pro. I was looking for a new stick, as the X52 Pro has rubber bits that eventually go sticky as they deteriorate.
Great review. Very informative. Thanks.
Question: Do the mini-joystick and rocker axis stay where you set them or return to center? I'd like to use them for trim controls in il-2 sturmovik 1946, but if they auto-return to center then they wouldn't really work for that.
i lol'd at "left handed freaks"..........good review, i've been eyeballing this stick for awhile, didn't realize you could buy the throttle separately.
Thanks for the video, helped alot.
Man, I wish this joystick had a hat... I was going to pass on this, but , with my old (20 years) ThrustMaster Sidewinder that I still have somewhere, it might just work as a HOSAS....
Worth a tey.
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