You don't have to go through all of this. I fixed mine. If you slide the throttle all the way up there's a hole at the bottom that lets you adjust the pressure on the rods. You'll also need lots of lubricant. You'll need special purpose plastic-safe lubricant, it's tough to find and expensive. What I ended up using is good old chapstick. I'm serious it works perfectly and has for almost a year now. I just use the plain type. You'll need to open the throttle and lube the metal rods.
From a video I saw, using nyogel 767a solves the sticky throttle problem and it also offers a bit of resistance so you can get that buttery smooth throttle control and make minor adjustments
Bought the T16000m just a few days ago and was quite mad when it got stuck on small and fine movements... so i took the baseplate off, cleaned the rods, took some tension from the spring, lubed it up in teflon based lubricant. and now i can move it with my pinky :D you can easily change the spring tension when closed back up again as some mentioned before. just look push the throttle up all the way and look for the silver screw
Ok, just got the bearings in from Amazon and thanks to my 3D printer, this mod is complete. GAME CHANGER. Like you said, you can feel the bearing, but those micro adjustments are SO buttery smooth now. You sir, have my subscription. Thank you for making me aware of this awesome mod!
I did this upgrade at the end of last year. Honestly it was super easy I just messaged the seller on Etsy and he notified me when he had sliders available. Was definitely easy to deal with.
I just sprayed some teflon lubricant on the rails and got significantly better results than factory. I'll have to keep this in mind when it eventually wears out and needs to be reapplied.
I got the new plate from Etsy and the bearings from Amazon . I was able to finish the upgrade in about 15mins TOTAL GAME CHANGER I am also using a white Teflon grease and its butter smooth now . I did also track down the upgrade for the flight stick as well and changed over from the pot to the hall sensor and that is more of a make it last longer kind of upgrade . I've had the upgrades in now almost two months . Totally worth it . I was going to upgrade to a new VKB when the T16000m flight stick died but I now think its going to live forever so if I change I'll have a back up . The throttle I will never change . As stated in the video I think it should come this way . i will also say that this upgrade is a gr8 way to get your feet wet with upgrades or repairs . Thanks for the info !
My way of dealing with the sticking throttle is to apply a slight twisting force when manipulating it, and it works perfectly fine. I do with by pushing forward on the throttle with my thumb and pulling with my pinky as I move it. Doesn't take a lot, but the minor torsion force seems to do it for me.
There is a screw on the bottom of the T16000 throttle to adjust the friction. So if your one issue is that it's sticky and doesn't give you precise control over the throttle you need to go look up that screw. I think you can reach the screw from the bottom plate when you push the throttle all the way forward. You'll see what looks like a useless empty hole suddenly is filled with the head of a screw. Turn that 1/4 or 1/2 turn in either direction and test if it's better or worse. I did this on mine years ago and it makes a world of difference. I had so much friction on mine that my attempt to push the throttle forward was actually overcoming the friction of the rubber pads and sliding the entire device across my desk.
Love my 'hog, but I had to strip down the stick, sand down the injection molding bits on the ball and then re-lube it all. Totally worth it. It's buttery now, no more stiction. Total PITA and should not be needed for something that expensive. If I were going to spend stupid money on a stick and throttle today I'd go Virpil.
Hey, the B-Explore bezel plate seems like a _great_ use for 3D printing where you can make personalized bezels per-game, complete with logos using multi-tool printing.
For folks w/o 3d printers: if you do some internet searching there is usually a few small print shops and/or tool sharing coops or maker spaces if you are in a larger city that can get you access or print things for you. There is a cost but if you have one part you need it can be a life saver.
I have fixed my throttle, what a difference. This is how this HOTAS should have been designed. That throttle mount seems interesting, might have to look into that.
If you want to make it even smoother, you can pack those bearings with grease before you install them onto the rods. They should have end caps to keep the ball bearings from falling out as well as to keep the grease in once they are packed. Any white lithium grease will work fine and it is normally only a few bucks at most hardware stores.
Short tip which helped me with my warthog throttle. Plug it in via an passive USB hub. Hub does not need to be supplied. Mine works since then fine. Several month now.
I mean I got my twcs throttle in this video on ebay for 98$ there all over in the USA and my vkb Sim gladiator nxt premium for like 150$-180$ so there not much you have to look hard bud
I cleaned off all the grease and put in some graphite powder. Now it is much better. I also place the heal of my hand on the base and make adjustments with my fingers.
@N. Warner I was super early to a video and wanted to show him that I support the video content hes creating. I don't even use or care about the flight sticks. I hope your day gets better.
I got a very similar kit off Etsy that came with a magnetic detent. I had put Nyogel 767a on the stock slider and it helped very much, but I love the linear bearing slider.
I fixed my T16000 TWCS throttle for cheaper and no new parts needed. I loosened the adjustment screw on the slider plate, and used Tamiya Cera-Grease to lube the rails. It's smoother than linear bearings, in fact it caused a new issue in that my chair mount needs to be 100% level if not it will slide down the rail! (I tightened the adjustment screw just a slight bit and that issue went away)
My experience with the thrustmaster throttle was terrible at first. The way it would stick was no fun and just felt cheep af. My brother in law found out about nyogel 767a. We applied it to the rails and the plastic slider and wow!!! It feels amazing, like your throttle is actually attached to something. It feels hydraulic somehow. Heavy.
I've fixed broken joysticks, gaming wheels, and so on before... They're easy to take apart and in a lot of cases the problem is easy to spot... if you want - take a few pictures after taking it apart ( when you separate the two haves, there may be additional parts for the throttle area, or buttons which may want to come out - you don't have to fully disassemble, just open it enough to take some photos and we can see if it is a simple problem... A lot of them use grease for lubricating the pots, so maybe it was conductive and you had a few hot days? Maybe the wire just got pulled slightly and the wire snapped - so you can take a simple meter with a continuity alarm and check each pin from the usb to the end point on the board and if one part stops then it is just the usb cord... it could also be a cap not getting enough power in order to jump start it... Although --- I had this problem on another, and it wasn't a problem. It was a wrong setting - some usb devices, when you plug them into different slots, their power settings reset so ensure the turn off to save power thing is disabled... additionally, you could be plugging the device into front headers which may not have enough juice - try a different one in the back, or plug it into a simple phone charger and see if the lights stay on - if it does then it is a power delivery issue. If it doesn't, then it is likely the caps, maybe an issue with the cable - you can wiggle it to see if it comes on / off... etc...
I wouldn't give up on the warthog. I know you have good soldering skills, could be worth some more research. Give the PCB a good look for bad joints, give it a few probes around the input, I'm sure you'll be able to isolate the problem. I have no clue if replacement parts are available, but if they are, I'm extremely confident you can repair it.
@@RhodokTribesman been so long since i watched this i forgot the context. But after watching again, what do you think about powdered graphite as a lube on stock parts rather than modding for the bearings?
@@RhodokTribesman I did not consider the conductive part there, very good catch on that. I'm not familiar with nyogel but will definitely look into it. My next thought would be white lithium grease, or full on bearing grease like you find in an auto parts store.
I have TWCS throttle and real solution is damping grease, specially designed to combat stick-slip. Now I can move throttle by a fraction of a mm at a time without any problems. Those linear bearings look nice though.
If you have the .stl file or equivalent for printing, consider checking your local area for a Maker-space. The people in the 'space almost always equipped with a 3D-printer, and are generally happy to help you out getting it printed.
there is a friction screw in the bottom of the TWCS throttle, loosening that all the way and a couple drops of machine oil on the rails, and it moves with ease and precision.
one of the points of buying a really premium product is paying for that excellent customer support behind it, if you feel your Thrustmaster burned out early, contact their CS and get it fixed
damn, subbed to this channel for fan showdown so was never expecting this video to solve this exact problem that I have! Just got a T1600m and I love everything about it except the sticky throttle, will definitely be trying this fix
@@GuyFromJupiter this is the way. I did that and it's butter smooth. Plus it's fast and easy to apply. Quick comparison video I took: th-cam.com/video/0WLdxTgobl8/w-d-xo.html
2 weeks after getting my t16000m HOTAS I tore it apart and re-greased both the stick and throttle with some of that Nyogel 767a damping grease, worlds different. My only gripe is the grease is a bit heavy for my tastes for the throttle, it moves buttery smooth and easy but has a bit more resistance than I would like when trying to quickly move the throttle which can result in it sliding or lifting off my desk since I don't have it mounted. Using it in the stick also made such a massive change, the t16000 stick has a really aggressive return to center in my opinion, the damping grease really slows this down and makes the stick feel much more precise.
@@Ender240sxS13 hi there! I’m asking in second doubt after doing through 2 different lubricating issues with the TWCS I see people saying the nyogel is the best stuff - I’m wondering is it really? I see it’s 2 bucks (not too much) there aren’t any long term gripes to worry about apart from occasionally re greasing it every so often?
@@krispyk.1786 shouldn't even need to re-grease it very often, been over a year since I did mine and I haven't needed to. Make sure you clean off all the old grease or oil you used before. It's a damping grease so its very thick and feels really sticky when you are applying it. Be generous with it and apply a lot. It has some initial sticktion after sitting for a while but once you move it once it is very smooth. It is quite thick/heavy so I had to loosen up the tensioning spring on the throttle a lot and it still has a lot of resistance. Is it the absolute best? I don't know, I really like it and I have never seen anyone who has used it complain about it. Oh and its formulated to be compatible with plastics so long term use won't damage things like some petroleum greases or oils will.
That's funny, I clicked onto this video because I wanted to let you know about those Etsy bearings.... Also, another solution is the Nyogel 767a that improves the TM T16k stick, also helps the throttle. And I agree, the TM FWCS is an excellent throttle, far better than its price tag implies. It has a nice variety of buttons, but mainly, it's the slew stick, and the rudder paddles that make it shine. However, I moved to the Virpil, and it IS better. While I knew about that bearing upgrade, I learned about it after I had already ordered the Virpil. So my question to you is this, the thing that makes the Virpil superior to the TM isnt all the buttons and such, they're just convenient. What makes the Virpil better can be measured when you're trying to do air refueling in DCS. You're trying to make your plane go from 306 to 307 knots to move up a little on that fuel boom. My experience with the TM is that if you manage it, you were lucky. With my Virpil, I can do it reliably. Air refueling with the FWCS, even after I nyogelled it and loosened the tensioners some was frustrating.
May I suggest swapping out those LM08UU bearings for Drylin RJ4JP-01-08 bushings? It would help remove some more static friction and reduce noise if those factors are still of any concern.
Thanks for the info. What worked on my T16000 was to clean rails and use a tiny amount of lanoline oil. Probably not quite as nice as the bearings upgrade.
Make sure ya know how to lubricate these bearings, and when using 2 in the same rod, you have to offset the bearings a certain way. Also, before using them, it's a good idea to soak them in IPA to get the anticorrosion grease they are packaged in off before greasing them. But again, this is for a game controller, so it probably doesn't need as much prep as it would for what I'm used to using them for.
When working with something complex I always take a photo or 2 ,just in case I can't remember how something fitted or which way round it went . Simple but works.
I'm considering buying a T16000M but have been a little turned off by comments about the throttle. I like the idea of a slide, but I wouldn't want it to feel grainy and sticky. This upgrade looks like a really cool idea. I hope I can get ahold of one of these 3d printed plates!
Thanks man, it was a struggle to fly in formation with my t16000m from the start and I tried different lubes. It did not help. It was so from the beginning and I thought I was trash at flying. Now I can blame it on my hotas :D
Why are those linear bearings sound so loud? They definitely need lube. Also why does the black hog not have rubber stands on the back 2 feet? It looks so unstable. Im actually triggered.
@Major Hardware - you know you could have just cleaned the factory crap grease off of the rails and replaced with nyogel for a few bucks and it's smooth as butter?
I did that, and whilst it's generally a pretty big improvement, it still suffers from that annoying relatively high resistance when doing really gentle adjustments.
Much simpler fix the the FCS Throttle stickiness: Nyogel 767A dampening grease. You remove the grease that is already on the rails and use this stuff, and you'll be amazed. This was a popular hotas for Elite Dangerous years ago, and I fixed a bunch of throttles for people with this stuff.
Unrelated, but have you considered a powered usb hub for your Warthog? Those rigs are huge power draws relative to the usb circuity of desktop computers.
nice story with the broken warthog I almost believed it until you popped in the comercial for the blaghog :)))) money if falling from your pockets and you cant' replace the warthog throttle lol
I think roller bearing is an overkill for the friction problem. it's cause by an adjustable friction pad (bad design), just lighten or remove it completely. mine is re-grease and adjust to very low friction. it's slide may be too easy with my thump and index finger. it flop full travel when tilted. this develop my bad habit of bouncing throttle back and forth while AAR . because it too light action. recently re-grease again with nyogel 767 left over from my warthog. now it's smooth with no stiction but with damping, small adjustment is easier when AAR.
I had a similar issue with an Arduino. I ended up frying some component and there was a soft short. Would work for a few seconds and the lights would fade, she got warm, and usb device was not recognized
You should get rid of the grease, it is not the right thing to lubricate those bearings. Clean everything very well, even the bearings, use some brake cleaner oder a heavy duty degreaser, soak them so all residue is gone and then get some oil, put a good amount inside the bearings and then back on the rod. The wiper seals should keep it mostly inside. The grease tends to stick the bearing balls rather than making them move freely and sometimes the corrosion inhibitor they use on cheaper bearings gums up, over time. Hope I could help, really enjoy your channel
did this mod on day 2 of owning the twcs I used 3d printed ptfe lined bushings instead of the linear bearings (just a printed adapter with a 8mm ID PTFE tube inside reamed to precisely 8mm)
Well, living in Sweden, not having so much cash.. I just used Silicone grease. Playing E:D - Horizons with the set, no problems. However, I can't find any mid. point for the throttle..
Got to get yourself a Virpil HOTAS... I currently use two Virpil VPC Constellation ALPHs (Left hand and right hand versions for Elite Dangerous). The quality is insanely good for the money...
i think you'd be even happier with igus bushings. they'd be quieter and not so crunchy. it might be nice to put a bushing on that pivoting arm linking to the potentiometer too, or construct a completely new geometry to transfer the linear motion to the POT with a belt and pulley from your printer spares. i imagine that bolt sliding in the groove effects the smoothness/stickiness of the motion quite a bit.
Wow, this model is new, it wasn’t there the last time I checked, it’s a copied design of the Etsy one (he was the first one to make it). In the file is basically the same magnet riser, I designed for myself...
I had the exact same problem with this, I found that loosening the flat-spring which holds the slider to the rails worked great. But now I've seen this I think Ill upgrade. Thanks!
One thing that always bothered me with these extra mounts with buttons and toggles on them is that they are close to what I want but never perfect. And that is usually when I realize that I have to design and make them myself of which I have next to no idea how to do. But imagining using buttons like the X-Wing has (the ones we see luke use to disengage the targeting comuter which would also be an interesting built tbh) or the lever switches of anakin's podracer that you switch and they *don't* go back into a middle resting position, always brings me close to actually trying to make them.
Simplest way is to make a box with the switches/buttons on it you want and then buy a USB board that you wire the switches to, something like the ones here www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=94
Could be a resister in the power input. Had a similar sounding problem with an Xbox controller. Powered on, powered off, windows failed to recognize device
if the TM warthug is completely broken and you are still looking for a high end system, go take a look at virpl. they have some pretty sweet looking things.
thanks for the video. just ordered a plate/bearing set for my T16000M from that Etsy-seller CoreHawk3D - what grease do you recommend? I already put some Nyogel 767a on my sliders and I wonder if this is maybe bad for the bearings due to the much higher "stickyness" . Also there are different bearing types available: Polymere or Metal , what is better?
Have you had issues with the Twist Axis on the T16000m joystick itself? After 4 years, mine keeps the axis at max instead of 0 or neutral, I'd like to repair but some of the reddit guides are daunting.
@@taiiat0 So I did a little research and it seems the "legs" sit over the edge of a surface. The mount has 3 spots to select where to connect the upper portion. th-cam.com/video/68aBez_oa_w/w-d-xo.html About 46 seconds in.
I replaced the grease with an oil, not sure if it was PTFE or Graphite multi oil, either way, the TWCS is now extremly precise and smooth. I wondered if you ever tried the IL2 Cliffs of Dover flightsim, was abdoned but is now awakening back to life since TFS modding group is now official. Alot don't know about it because they think BoX engine is more modern.
Holy Schnikies this is creepy. I clicked on your video because I am interested in the T1600M Hotas system...but the creepy part is that JUST before I clicked the video, I changed my wallpaper to the EXACT one you have in the video. *shiver
You don't have to go through all of this. I fixed mine. If you slide the throttle all the way up there's a hole at the bottom that lets you adjust the pressure on the rods. You'll also need lots of lubricant. You'll need special purpose plastic-safe lubricant, it's tough to find and expensive. What I ended up using is good old chapstick. I'm serious it works perfectly and has for almost a year now. I just use the plain type. You'll need to open the throttle and lube the metal rods.
Wow, I didn't know about that screw. I didn't have lube but slightly loosening up that screw helped so much. Thanks!
My Rubik’s cube lube worked wonders on mine.
@@joshbaker2398 I cube too! I'll bear this in mind when mine gets sticky!
2000 iq power play with the chapstick 😂
Where do I put the chapstick on?
I would LOVE to see more content like this from this channel.
its an okay review but where is the smoke test tho ?
hahaha
Didn't get to see the noise meter to measure the throttle movement sound...
From a video I saw, using nyogel 767a solves the sticky throttle problem and it also offers a bit of resistance so you can get that buttery smooth throttle control and make minor adjustments
Bought the T16000m just a few days ago and was quite mad when it got stuck on small and fine movements... so i took the baseplate off, cleaned the rods, took some tension from the spring, lubed it up in teflon based lubricant. and now i can move it with my pinky :D you can easily change the spring tension when closed back up again as some mentioned before. just look push the throttle up all the way and look for the silver screw
Ok, just got the bearings in from Amazon and thanks to my 3D printer, this mod is complete. GAME CHANGER. Like you said, you can feel the bearing, but those micro adjustments are SO buttery smooth now. You sir, have my subscription. Thank you for making me aware of this awesome mod!
i saved my money and just turned the adjustment screw 720 degrees
@@SnapCracklePipthe difference is a billion times more accuracy and smoothness
I picked up a model A B-explorer last year, really great add-on. Absolutely worth the money.
I did this upgrade at the end of last year. Honestly it was super easy I just messaged the seller on Etsy and he notified me when he had sliders available. Was definitely easy to deal with.
I have on of the B-Explorer models. Mine is the Model C. I use it with my Warthog and it's all mounted to a sim rig. Love the entire setup.
I have that throttle and I use it as a collective mounted vertically on my chair. I love how it holds its position when you set a power setting
Is this the T16000M you are using for Heli Flying?
I just sprayed some teflon lubricant on the rails and got significantly better results than factory. I'll have to keep this in mind when it eventually wears out and needs to be reapplied.
I got the new plate from Etsy and the bearings from Amazon . I was able to finish the upgrade in about 15mins TOTAL GAME CHANGER I am also using a white Teflon grease and its butter smooth now . I did also track down the upgrade for the flight stick as well and changed over from the pot to the hall sensor and that is more of a make it last longer kind of upgrade . I've had the upgrades in now almost two months . Totally worth it . I was going to upgrade to a new VKB when the T16000m flight stick died but I now think its going to live forever so if I change I'll have a back up . The throttle I will never change . As stated in the video I think it should come this way . i will also say that this upgrade is a gr8 way to get your feet wet with upgrades or repairs . Thanks for the info !
My way of dealing with the sticking throttle is to apply a slight twisting force when manipulating it, and it works perfectly fine. I do with by pushing forward on the throttle with my thumb and pulling with my pinky as I move it. Doesn't take a lot, but the minor torsion force seems to do it for me.
I’ve had this throttle controller for a year and the sticking action was the only gripe I had. Now it’ll be perfect, thank you!!!
You can get replacement boards for the warthog throttle. I replaced my brothers earlier this year. $40 if I remember right. Plug and play.
I have the same problem, where can I get board?
I re-lubed mine with silicone grease and now it's the best throttle I've laid my hands on. No need for modifications.
There is a screw on the bottom of the T16000 throttle to adjust the friction. So if your one issue is that it's sticky and doesn't give you precise control over the throttle you need to go look up that screw. I think you can reach the screw from the bottom plate when you push the throttle all the way forward. You'll see what looks like a useless empty hole suddenly is filled with the head of a screw. Turn that 1/4 or 1/2 turn in either direction and test if it's better or worse. I did this on mine years ago and it makes a world of difference. I had so much friction on mine that my attempt to push the throttle forward was actually overcoming the friction of the rubber pads and sliding the entire device across my desk.
Love my 'hog, but I had to strip down the stick, sand down the injection molding bits on the ball and then re-lube it all. Totally worth it. It's buttery now, no more stiction. Total PITA and should not be needed for something that expensive.
If I were going to spend stupid money on a stick and throttle today I'd go Virpil.
Hey, the B-Explore bezel plate seems like a _great_ use for 3D printing where you can make personalized bezels per-game, complete with logos using multi-tool printing.
(Scratches arm) hey, you got any fans for me?
th-cam.com/video/846brYzqOJQ/w-d-xo.html
@@FixingWithFriends a futuristic masterpiece compilation of content
For folks w/o 3d printers: if you do some internet searching there is usually a few small print shops and/or tool sharing coops or maker spaces if you are in a larger city that can get you access or print things for you. There is a cost but if you have one part you need it can be a life saver.
I used the twcs with this mod for a couple years before I got the VKB throttle. It served me very well with helicopter flight and much more besides.
I have fixed my throttle, what a difference. This is how this HOTAS should have been designed. That throttle mount seems interesting, might have to look into that.
If you want to make it even smoother, you can pack those bearings with grease before you install them onto the rods. They should have end caps to keep the ball bearings from falling out as well as to keep the grease in once they are packed. Any white lithium grease will work fine and it is normally only a few bucks at most hardware stores.
Also great stuff for the sliders and drive screws on 3D printers, makes it run deliciously smooth
also if you have any machinist friends, machinists oil is ALOT lighter than any grease and is commonly used in conjunction with linear rails.
I have lithium gel
Short tip which helped me with my warthog throttle. Plug it in via an passive USB hub. Hub does not need to be supplied. Mine works since then fine. Several month now.
I put teflon pads in the plastic part interfacing with the rods and lubricated it with very thin silicone oil. Works okay.
Just made mine... out of a small piece of wood and epoxy to 4 linear bearings... works a treat!
I cannot wait to get into DCS once flight sim equipment has come back towards normal pricing.
When covid ends, most of newly printed money will move from stock markets into rest of economy we will see quite big inflation
I mean I got my twcs throttle in this video on ebay for 98$ there all over in the USA and my vkb Sim gladiator nxt premium for like 150$-180$ so there not much you have to look hard bud
I cleaned off all the grease and put in some graphite powder. Now it is much better. I also place the heal of my hand on the base and make adjustments with my fingers.
Thank you for this video. My dad printed out the tray and I purchased the bearings online. This made a world of difference.
So they could have greased it and solved all the problems? Or was it greased already?
keep up the great work man
@N. Warner I was super early to a video and wanted to show him that I support the video content hes creating. I don't even use or care about the flight sticks. I hope your day gets better.
I got a very similar kit off Etsy that came with a magnetic detent. I had put Nyogel 767a on the stock slider and it helped very much, but I love the linear bearing slider.
I fixed my T16000 TWCS throttle for cheaper and no new parts needed. I loosened the adjustment screw on the slider plate, and used Tamiya Cera-Grease to lube the rails. It's smoother than linear bearings, in fact it caused a new issue in that my chair mount needs to be 100% level if not it will slide down the rail! (I tightened the adjustment screw just a slight bit and that issue went away)
My experience with the thrustmaster throttle was terrible at first. The way it would stick was no fun and just felt cheep af. My brother in law found out about nyogel 767a.
We applied it to the rails and the plastic slider and wow!!! It feels amazing, like your throttle is actually attached to something.
It feels hydraulic somehow. Heavy.
I've fixed broken joysticks, gaming wheels, and so on before... They're easy to take apart and in a lot of cases the problem is easy to spot... if you want - take a few pictures after taking it apart ( when you separate the two haves, there may be additional parts for the throttle area, or buttons which may want to come out - you don't have to fully disassemble, just open it enough to take some photos and we can see if it is a simple problem...
A lot of them use grease for lubricating the pots, so maybe it was conductive and you had a few hot days? Maybe the wire just got pulled slightly and the wire snapped - so you can take a simple meter with a continuity alarm and check each pin from the usb to the end point on the board and if one part stops then it is just the usb cord... it could also be a cap not getting enough power in order to jump start it...
Although --- I had this problem on another, and it wasn't a problem. It was a wrong setting - some usb devices, when you plug them into different slots, their power settings reset so ensure the turn off to save power thing is disabled... additionally, you could be plugging the device into front headers which may not have enough juice - try a different one in the back, or plug it into a simple phone charger and see if the lights stay on - if it does then it is a power delivery issue. If it doesn't, then it is likely the caps, maybe an issue with the cable - you can wiggle it to see if it comes on / off... etc...
I wouldn't give up on the warthog. I know you have good soldering skills, could be worth some more research. Give the PCB a good look for bad joints, give it a few probes around the input, I'm sure you'll be able to isolate the problem. I have no clue if replacement parts are available, but if they are, I'm extremely confident you can repair it.
probably a cap dried up
Pretty embarrassing for such an expensive set. My $25 Extreme 3D Pro has tanked abuse for the last 6 years haha
@@RhodokTribesman been so long since i watched this i forgot the context.
But after watching again, what do you think about powdered graphite as a lube on stock parts rather than modding for the bearings?
@@Druid_Plow NEVER use graphite for electrics, it's conductive. I've heard nyogel does wonders for even the stock rails and stick
@@RhodokTribesman I did not consider the conductive part there, very good catch on that.
I'm not familiar with nyogel but will definitely look into it. My next thought would be white lithium grease, or full on bearing grease like you find in an auto parts store.
I have TWCS throttle and real solution is damping grease, specially designed to combat stick-slip. Now I can move throttle by a fraction of a mm at a time without any problems. Those linear bearings look nice though.
If you have the .stl file or equivalent for printing, consider checking your local area for a Maker-space. The people in the 'space almost always equipped with a 3D-printer, and are generally happy to help you out getting it printed.
there is a friction screw in the bottom of the TWCS throttle, loosening that all the way and a couple drops of machine oil on the rails, and it moves with ease and precision.
one of the points of buying a really premium product is paying for that excellent customer support behind it, if you feel your Thrustmaster burned out early, contact their CS and get it fixed
damn, subbed to this channel for fan showdown so was never expecting this video to solve this exact problem that I have! Just got a T1600m and I love everything about it except the sticky throttle, will definitely be trying this fix
Try Nyogel 767a damping grease. It is almost magical the improvement it makes
@@GuyFromJupiter this is the way. I did that and it's butter smooth. Plus it's fast and easy to apply.
Quick comparison video I took: th-cam.com/video/0WLdxTgobl8/w-d-xo.html
2 weeks after getting my t16000m HOTAS I tore it apart and re-greased both the stick and throttle with some of that Nyogel 767a damping grease, worlds different. My only gripe is the grease is a bit heavy for my tastes for the throttle, it moves buttery smooth and easy but has a bit more resistance than I would like when trying to quickly move the throttle which can result in it sliding or lifting off my desk since I don't have it mounted. Using it in the stick also made such a massive change, the t16000 stick has a really aggressive return to center in my opinion, the damping grease really slows this down and makes the stick feel much more precise.
@@Ender240sxS13 hi there! I’m asking in second doubt after doing through 2 different lubricating issues with the TWCS I see people saying the nyogel is the best stuff - I’m wondering is it really? I see it’s 2 bucks (not too much) there aren’t any long term gripes to worry about apart from occasionally re greasing it every so often?
@@krispyk.1786 shouldn't even need to re-grease it very often, been over a year since I did mine and I haven't needed to. Make sure you clean off all the old grease or oil you used before. It's a damping grease so its very thick and feels really sticky when you are applying it. Be generous with it and apply a lot. It has some initial sticktion after sitting for a while but once you move it once it is very smooth. It is quite thick/heavy so I had to loosen up the tensioning spring on the throttle a lot and it still has a lot of resistance.
Is it the absolute best? I don't know, I really like it and I have never seen anyone who has used it complain about it.
Oh and its formulated to be compatible with plastics so long term use won't damage things like some petroleum greases or oils will.
How's the airflow?
That's funny, I clicked onto this video because I wanted to let you know about those Etsy bearings.... Also, another solution is the Nyogel 767a that improves the TM T16k stick, also helps the throttle. And I agree, the TM FWCS is an excellent throttle, far better than its price tag implies. It has a nice variety of buttons, but mainly, it's the slew stick, and the rudder paddles that make it shine.
However, I moved to the Virpil, and it IS better. While I knew about that bearing upgrade, I learned about it after I had already ordered the Virpil. So my question to you is this, the thing that makes the Virpil superior to the TM isnt all the buttons and such, they're just convenient. What makes the Virpil better can be measured when you're trying to do air refueling in DCS. You're trying to make your plane go from 306 to 307 knots to move up a little on that fuel boom. My experience with the TM is that if you manage it, you were lucky. With my Virpil, I can do it reliably. Air refueling with the FWCS, even after I nyogelled it and loosened the tensioners some was frustrating.
May I suggest swapping out those LM08UU bearings for Drylin RJ4JP-01-08 bushings? It would help remove some more static friction and reduce noise if those factors are still of any concern.
Thanks for the info. What worked on my T16000 was to clean rails and use a tiny amount of lanoline oil. Probably not quite as nice as the bearings upgrade.
Make sure ya know how to lubricate these bearings, and when using 2 in the same rod, you have to offset the bearings a certain way. Also, before using them, it's a good idea to soak them in IPA to get the anticorrosion grease they are packaged in off before greasing them.
But again, this is for a game controller, so it probably doesn't need as much prep as it would for what I'm used to using them for.
When working with something complex I always take a photo or 2 ,just in case I can't remember how something fitted or which way round it went . Simple but works.
I just bought the twcs throttle. Looking forward to trying it out in dcs now that I have more buttons
It's awesome to see you're into VR!!!! I followed you for the crazy fan mods, but I own a T16000, so yay!
Hey, I have the same warthog problem, Suddenly Yesterday did not work, Please let me know if you repair it and how.
thanks.
I was wondering how to label everything and thankfully I watched till the end.
I'm considering buying a T16000M but have been a little turned off by comments about the throttle. I like the idea of a slide, but I wouldn't want it to feel grainy and sticky. This upgrade looks like a really cool idea. I hope I can get ahold of one of these 3d printed plates!
Just lube the rods. You can also loosen a screw by a smidge i believe you get to it where you push the throttle all the way forward
How interesting, that same issue with your warthog throttle happened to my TrackIR5 Camera, had to send it back for a replacement.
my Warthog throttle died exactly like yours, how do we fix it?
Thanks man, it was a struggle to fly in formation with my t16000m from the start and I tried different lubes. It did not help. It was so from the beginning and I thought I was trash at flying. Now I can blame it on my hotas :D
Why are those linear bearings sound so loud? They definitely need lube. Also why does the black hog not have rubber stands on the back 2 feet? It looks so unstable. Im actually triggered.
Can you operate this German panel without seeing the buttons since you said you can't see keyboards and other stuff when wearing on VR ?
@Major Hardware - you know you could have just cleaned the factory crap grease off of the rails and replaced with nyogel for a few bucks and it's smooth as butter?
I did that, and whilst it's generally a pretty big improvement, it still suffers from that annoying relatively high resistance when doing really gentle adjustments.
Can the throttle /slider be mapped to power / collective for a heli-sim? ( X-plane 12)
Much simpler fix the the FCS Throttle stickiness: Nyogel 767A dampening grease. You remove the grease that is already on the rails and use this stuff, and you'll be amazed. This was a popular hotas for Elite Dangerous years ago, and I fixed a bunch of throttles for people with this stuff.
Unrelated, but have you considered a powered usb hub for your Warthog? Those rigs are huge power draws relative to the usb circuity of desktop computers.
nice story with the broken warthog I almost believed it until you popped in the comercial for the blaghog :)))) money if falling from your pockets and you cant' replace the warthog throttle lol
I think roller bearing is an overkill for the friction problem. it's cause by an adjustable friction pad (bad design), just lighten or remove it completely.
mine is re-grease and adjust to very low friction. it's slide may be too easy with my thump and index finger. it flop full travel when tilted.
this develop my bad habit of bouncing throttle back and forth while AAR . because it too light action.
recently re-grease again with nyogel 767 left over from my warthog. now it's smooth with no stiction but with damping, small adjustment is easier when AAR.
I had a similar issue with an Arduino. I ended up frying some component and there was a soft short. Would work for a few seconds and the lights would fade, she got warm, and usb device was not recognized
I'm having major issues with this in connecting it to all off my flight sims and I have downloaded the thrustmaster site click on the games nothing
You should get rid of the grease, it is not the right thing to lubricate those bearings. Clean everything very well, even the bearings, use some brake cleaner oder a heavy duty degreaser, soak them so all residue is gone and then get some oil, put a good amount inside the bearings and then back on the rod. The wiper seals should keep it mostly inside. The grease tends to stick the bearing balls rather than making them move freely and sometimes the corrosion inhibitor they use on cheaper bearings gums up, over time. Hope I could help, really enjoy your channel
rip the warthog ... i love mine like a son . never leave me warty boi
did this mod on day 2 of owning the twcs
I used 3d printed ptfe lined bushings instead of the linear bearings
(just a printed adapter with a 8mm ID PTFE tube inside reamed to precisely 8mm)
IGUS makes polymer bearings that would fit that design same same. Not sure if that would be better tho
Well, living in Sweden, not having so much cash.. I just used Silicone grease.
Playing E:D - Horizons with the set, no problems.
However, I can't find any mid. point for the throttle..
Have you played starwars squadrons?
(3:43)... I'm curious. Did you have to modify the STL to make it printable lying down because I designed it to print standing up?... 😂
Got to get yourself a Virpil HOTAS... I currently use two Virpil VPC Constellation ALPHs (Left hand and right hand versions for Elite Dangerous). The quality is insanely good for the money...
So is the slider mod effectively a copy of the CoreHawk Slider? I put one of those in mine about a year ago and it's been great.
i think you'd be even happier with igus bushings. they'd be quieter and not so crunchy. it might be nice to put a bushing on that pivoting arm linking to the potentiometer too, or construct a completely new geometry to transfer the linear motion to the POT with a belt and pulley from your printer spares. i imagine that bolt sliding in the groove effects the smoothness/stickiness of the motion quite a bit.
Signed up for the fans, got quality content as a bonus.
Wow, this model is new, it wasn’t there the last time I checked, it’s a copied design of the Etsy one (he was the first one to make it). In the file is basically the same magnet riser, I designed for myself...
where can i find stickers for keypad?
so what if i dont have the option to calibrate. that is something i have been trying to find and or fix. any suggestions?
I had the exact same problem with this, I found that loosening the flat-spring which holds the slider to the rails worked great. But now I've seen this I think Ill upgrade. Thanks!
One thing that always bothered me with these extra mounts with buttons and toggles on them is that they are close to what I want but never perfect.
And that is usually when I realize that I have to design and make them myself of which I have next to no idea how to do. But imagining using buttons like the X-Wing has (the ones we see luke use to disengage the targeting comuter which would also be an interesting built tbh) or the lever switches of anakin's podracer that you switch and they *don't* go back into a middle resting position, always brings me close to actually trying to make them.
Simplest way is to make a box with the switches/buttons on it you want and then buy a USB board that you wire the switches to, something like the ones here www.leobodnar.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=94
Is there a simular solution for the rudder pedals??
Could be a resister in the power input. Had a similar sounding problem with an Xbox controller. Powered on, powered off, windows failed to recognize device
Nice. Would love to seee some igus bearings on that
@major hardware, my warthog throttle stopped working too - thrust master sent me a replacement board! Contact their support.
if the TM warthug is completely broken and you are still looking for a high end system, go take a look at virpl. they have some pretty sweet looking things.
Why can't I tag friends on TH-cam? Severely needed feature.
@lightswitch94 Which do you use and which would you want?
*TH-cam has failed me.
there is an adjustment screw if you slide to full throttle
thanks for the video. just ordered a plate/bearing set for my T16000M from that Etsy-seller CoreHawk3D - what grease do you recommend? I already put some Nyogel 767a on my sliders and I wonder if this is maybe bad for the bearings due to the much higher "stickyness" . Also there are different bearing types available: Polymere or Metal , what is better?
Have you had issues with the Twist Axis on the T16000m joystick itself? After 4 years, mine keeps the axis at max instead of 0 or neutral, I'd like to repair but some of the reddit guides are daunting.
How do you think an IGUS bearings would perform instead of the ball bearing LM8UU?
What I want is a replacement for the axis on the face of the throttle
it looks like the 'legs' at the bottom of that support structure could stand to be slightly longer so that it can't tilt forward on its Feet, though.
It looks adjustable, probably has a lip its against to make it more stable.
@@Zigarius1123
hm, does it? didn't notice.
@@taiiat0 So I did a little research and it seems the "legs" sit over the edge of a surface. The mount has 3 spots to select where to connect the upper portion. th-cam.com/video/68aBez_oa_w/w-d-xo.html About 46 seconds in.
If you don't have a 3D printer, you can also use Shapeways to have the necessary parts printed and shipped to you.
I replaced the grease with an oil, not sure if it was PTFE or Graphite multi oil, either way, the TWCS is now extremly precise and smooth.
I wondered if you ever tried the IL2 Cliffs of Dover flightsim, was abdoned but is now awakening back to life since TFS modding group is now official. Alot don't know about it because they think BoX engine is more modern.
Holy Schnikies this is creepy. I clicked on your video because I am interested in the T1600M Hotas system...but the creepy part is that JUST before I clicked the video, I changed my wallpaper to the EXACT one you have in the video. *shiver
Would love to do this but not been able to get/find a T16000M since this time last year.
If you're in the US I got mine from mypilotstore for round about what it was worth. Just checked the other day and they were in stock. Worth a look.
Anybody have a solution to stick drift on the front knob of the 16000m?
Great info! Is that the short, compact or long base plate you are using?
i got one from blackhog and its the BEST buy... must to have!