Thrustmasters Lineup Tested, What HOTAS is Right for You | Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- When I got back into flight sims I started with the Thrustmaster T Flight HOTAS X, after that I swapped to the T16000M flight pack and it was a night and day switch. Now I have Thrustmasters S Tier HOTAS the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog. This HOTAS isn’t cheap but Is it worth it or are you better off spending less for your Microsoft flight simulator 2020 setup.
Thrustmaster T Flight HOTAS X
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Thrustmaster T16000M Flight Pack
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Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
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Fun fact, its the same Thrustmaster that Alfred used when he took over the Batwing when Batman jumped in the warehouse in the Batman V Superman movie.
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It was even in the new kong v Godzilla film
Owning a HOTAS Warthog setup for several years now I did not know about the afterburner lock! You sir, are a lifesaver!
Friction, substantial mass, steel, firm clicks ... you’re really revving my APU.
The TM Warthog is great till a cable on the inside breaks for no reason and you open it and see how bad and cheaply its made. I have it and had so many problems. I changed the stick base, added an arduino to the throttle and replace the slew stick. The value is like 90% for the external haptic and 10% for the electronics. The weight is only due to stretegicly placed steel plates and averything else is cheap plastic. I now own it for like 6 years. Its a great hotas put thes cheaped out to much on the quallity. The wires are so flimsy and just snap off
This is why I sold mine and bought the Virpil base and their T50 grip. Couldn't be happier with it.
I've had my Warthog for 5 years now and still love it. I've added the TM TPR rudder pedals and the Blackhog b-explorer button box all bolted to my flight sim cockpit.
dang, you got any pictures of your setup? it sounds off the walls.
I've loved my Warthog HOTAS over the past year and a half. It's far from perfect stock, especially the stick. The spring is too stiff and the center detent makes it crap for desktop use as is. The best thing to do is mount it centrally between your legs and add a 20-150mm extension and the level of precision you get out of the stick goes way up, getting better with the longer the extension you go, and it feels much more ergonomic.
I currently run a 150mm extension with a low desk mount and I would never go back to using the Warthog HOTAS without an extension.
Same here. A 150mm extension removes the 'stiction' and totally transforms the Warthog stick.
.. Using standard spring, in fact standard unmodified Warthog stick apart from the extension.
5:55 The step in the middle is for space sims, it's for reverse thrust.
Will4Real oh well, I guess I won’t post this exact thing.
Although if you want to go real deal space sim combat, you go HOSAS rather than HOTAS, the agility and response is just unmatched.
CatalystDestiny The heck is a HOSAS?? Ah got it... Stick and Stick 😆. I have a couple thrustmasters around, but it never appealed me. I like the feel of a throttle and use the thumbs for vectoring, plus it matches the cockpit virtual hands. I was interested in a 3d mouse, but they are too difficult to config.
@@Shadow__133 Yeah HOSAS is stick/stick. It's overwhelmingly superior to throttle in space sim combat because unlike an atmosphere flight model in space it's 6 degrees of freedom, so the second stick is used to control thrusters. What this allows you to do is have direct pinpoint thrust control on your offhand from multiple vectors all on the instant response of the stick. A throttle even with a thumbstick for thrusters still limits you greatly for how fast you can slide the throttle, compared to HOSAS users who just have all of their maneuvering from every angle all on the instant response of dual sticks.
or an afterburner detent
The Warthog will be cost effective when you have gone through a bunch of cheaper alternatives. I paid $600 for the three parts about 2 years ago and couldn't be happier.
This is my 2nd generation Thrustmaster HOTAS. I loved them both after putting up with plastic stuff before that. If you can afford it, don’t hesitate! Also look at the all metal Thrustmaster TPR rudder pedals that are very adjustable and have Hall sensors too. My favorite by far after having lots of plastic ones before it.
Thanks for this as I think you have summed it up perfectly. I’ve only just got my Wartthog and am just playing around (Elite Dangerous & MS Flight Sim) and the quality of the build is so impressive as well as the precision. Good shout out about the need for pedals also, but that does add to the immersion for me. But, of course, also adds to the cost. It is a lot of money to spend, but when I considered the options, if you do have the money, then this surely has to be THE HOTAS. I couldn’t be more impressed even after using it just for a couple of days.
I recently put together a HOTAS Warthog piece by piece, as everywhere is out of stock. The throttle alone makes a hell of a difference. Being able to control all you need without ever reaching for the keyboard is awsome!
I’ve used mine for around 5 years now, still love it!
wow cool to now it last long i want to upgrade to this
I used it 6 years. Now I have upgraded to winwing f-18 throttle and virpil stick + thrustmaster f-18 stick
Just some advise for any Warthog owners, had mine 9 years. If your grip shafts breaks then 3d printed replacements are available and seem stronger than the cast originals. It's the part that is used to c onnect the grip to the base👍
I've had mine just about as long (can't remember exactly). The stick shaft did break after a very hard fall and superglue has worked perfectly since then (years ago). However, where did you find 3d replacements? I'm interested in checking them out. Thanks.
Had mine for five years love it. Awesome for IL2 and elite
I'm using the warthog for years in elite dangerous and I still love it
what are you using for rudder though?
When you really want to step up, you should look at VKB or Virpil.
Yeah... Those that are never in stock... Those ones everyone talks about and almost nobody has
If you want to step up, try MFG Crosswind rudder pedals
As good as the Warthog is, the annoying thing is the stiction when trying to move the stick the slightest amount, and that very strong center 'detent'. I bought a Virpil base with extension and it complements the Warthog beautifully. It is so smooth and you have MM accuracy no matter where you are in the travel zone. Makes formation flying, aerial refueling and weapon delivery a breeze. And that is without adjusting the sensitivity curves in DCS.
Virpil its beatifull but no funcional. the lack of buttons and Axis made me buy the Logitech x56 for VR.
@@krhonn They build it as it's ordered. It takes about a month from order to delivery. I wondered the same thing for the longest time, always going back to the website too see if it's in stock yet. Finally, I just ordered it after reading something from the website that says made to order. I just received my VIRPIL pedals a week ago. I ordered it "out of stock."
To answer your "question" why the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X has this step thing. If you played Elite Dangerous you know you can fly backward and forward. And so that you are able to have a Point of 0% Throttle while flying. This is coming in really handy when you are doing combat
I did exactly the same thing - spent £100s of pounds buying cheap, then getting something slightly better, again and again, until finally biting the bullet and buying the Warthog - never looked back, should have bought it straight away.
I've had that problem as well...it's what happens when your focus becomes saving money. Now, I tend to ask myself 'what is the reasonable level of quality can accept?' then find something that matches those expectations, so ultimately cost becomes a secondary concern. If you simply can't afford that level of quality then don't buy it.
I’ve had mine for 5 years and it’s as close to the full scale A-10 you can get. I worked on them for several years. The buttons are a tiny bit harder to push on the TM. You can always tell a new button on the A-10 when it makes a louder click. I have a new analog slew sensor from Delta electronics order to replace the one on the TM. One thing I did program on the throttle side is the sliding lever. I use it for zoom views. Real good for precision zooming of the views. Yeah it’s pricey but it should last a long time. If I recall you can get a stick for it that is modeled after the F-18 and F-16 about $200 each if there’s money burning in your pocket.
One thing that sort of aggravates me is that TM is selling an F-16C Viper H.O.T.A.S (Warthog H.O.T.A.S with an F-16C grip) and an F-14C grip to put on a Warthog H.O.T.A.S. Truth be told, the F-16C grip is actually identical to the grip actually used in the A-10A and and -C. The grips in all three airplanes are the same grip. I have the A-10A, -C, -CII, and the F-16C Viper in DCS, and they all use the same stick. The F-18 stick is different, so TM sells the grip for the F-18 to go on the Warthog base. Don’t get suckered by TM’s F-16C Viper add-on stick. It’s a Warthog stick. No need to buy both.
Really appreciate this video and your input. I'm learning Elite Dangerous and looking to the new MS Flight sim.
The Warthog flight stick also the same stick used in the real F16. Don’t buy the F16 stick. It literally is the exact same as the A-10 Warthog stick that comes with the Warthog set. That’s because the Air Force used the same exact stick in both planes.
Lol so he upgraded 3 times in like 4 or 5 months -.- looking for a starter hotas
Shoot
Same thing happened to me, bought the Logitech extreme 3d pro for XP11 before FS2020 came out, then bought the Thrustmaster airbus sidestick for MSFS. Then after few months of MSFS i got into DCS and now i just bought the Warthog HOTAS.
I have a Saitek x52 I love it, it's not quite realistic but it works.
Completely agree with this.
X56 Rhino and Warthog HOTAS are the best possible choices.
The problem is that DCS world tries to mimic the F14, F16, F18, A10 thunderbolt, and a bunch of other fighters as well as European models.
The A10 thunderbolt has the same joystick as the F-16 but not the same throttle. The F 18 doesn’t share the same joystick or throttle as either of the other two. The F 14 doesn’t share the same joystick and throttle of any of the others either.
When you look forward: the F 35 and F 22 don’t share joysticks or throttles with any of the others.
I would say the X56 is best because it has so many joysticks/high hats/buttons that it’s flexible for the future even though it’s build quality isn’t as good as the warthog.
The X56 has a twist stick and can also be redundant with the Logitech G pedals. Makes taxiing easier.
9:25 what is the "adaptor"? you are talking about, to connect the T Flight Pedals to the Warthog Throttle ? ....doesn't the adaptor comes incl with the Tpedals ?
You gave me that final nudge lol.. Never a flightsim player (the 90s' JSF, Falcon 4.0, Red Baron them Pentiums just couldn't keep up) until Star Wars Squadron caught my attention. But it was DCS which drew me in, and shortly after MSFS 2020 came along. The Warthog cost more from where I am but boy do you get a lot for your money. The sense of immersion you get from the 2 metal studs on your desk is mind-blowing, this is no game this is a simulation for wannabe pilots! The best gaming accessory i've bought in my long years of hardcore PC gaming, definitely a game changer. Paired up with a TrackIR this is sim haven....
Just a few marks to clear up
Yes, much of it is steel - where it doesn't matter.
The most important part, the gimbal, is cheap plastic.
The least important part, the grip, which even in original fighter jets is resin, is heavy steel.
It moves even with that weight.
Quality issues on many of the switches.
If you go the high quality route go Virpil.
If you go the cheapo route go Logitech.
If you want to spend money for poor quality, go Thrustmaster.
And yes, I do own a warthog. I also own a Cougar. Stay away from this if you're really looking for quality.
I bought the HOTAS Warthog in 2011 (9 years ago!) and have had absolutely no issues with it whatsoever, still runs like a dream.
I ordered the T.Flight One for Ace Combat 7 and Star Wars: Squadrons (and I guess Star Citizen one day...), saw your review comparing it to the T16000M, cancelled it an immediately placed an order for the FCS Flight Pack. But now only hours later and watching this I know in my gut that this is what I want... Even if I have to buy each component separately each pay cheque I know in the end I won't regret the expenditure for the quality products I'll get in return. Thanks for coaching me through these decisions!
gonna pick one up, second hand, looks brand new, only used for 20 hours, 280 USD, absolute steal for this
5:04 We gotta get this man an A10C to review
I have buyers remorse for a soda i bought at the Cubs game 5 years ago.
I have that one, and using it in VR with Elite Dangerous. you can find better (and more expensive), but that's a really good Hotas, never regretted my purchase once
Recommend getting an extension tube for the Warthog joystick. Several options out there. Only 10cm but adds sooooo much to the control finesse.
4:31 the majority of the *Exterior* build. Internals are plastic as well. Which is kind of an issue for its accuracy, as some have complained.
The Warthog joystick is really, really good. Very well built, very responsive and smooth, and lots of buttons. It doesn't have a twist axis, but i personally use rudder pedals. Even so, this lack of yaw does make the joystick unusable for me in Elite Dangerous.
The Warthog throttle... meh. The metal chassis is nice, but the throttle levers themselves are blocky plastic, albeit sturdy plastic. Maybe that's how they are on the real thing (since it's meant to be a replica of a real A-10 throttle), but it's not very nice compared to the full metal build of the joystick. And while the throttle does have plenty of buttons, their use is limited for general use somewhat because a lot of them are latching. So a 3 position switch will be limited to only one function, or maybe two functions that cannot be used together, rather than two completely independent functions had the button not been latching. Still, the scripting software you can use does make up for this.
I got the Warthog a couple of months ago because my 5 year old cheap madcatz stick finally packed in.
The game I play, Star Citizen, doesn't like switches for inputs, it needs buttons or you find yourself having to quickly flick the switch on and off again to make it work.
What I ended up doing was buying a half dozen buttons from ebay and 3D printing a button box that is secured to the throttle box using the 2 pre-existing screws on the lower part of the box. I was going to just change out the switches for buttons completely but Thrustmaster has the switches soldered into 1 PCB so it was much easier to just solder wires on to the prongs of the switches.
Also, now I still have the use of the switches if I need them in certain games but for now, this is ideal
You sold me at the sound of the buttons!
Would have bought this long ago if it had featured a lockable twist axis. An A10 replica stick is a nice gimmick, but not important for any other fighter, spaceship, helicopter etc. one might fly.
Virpil has more interesting options, although much more expensive.
Anyone remember Spectrum Holobyte's FALCON 3.0 flight sim?
The stick does not have twist function, so if I don't want to have a rudder pedals, is there any alternative ways that could replace the twist function? Keyboard? I play both FS2020 and DCS.
Ordered mine this weekend along with the Thrustmaster TPR, can’t wait to test them out.
Upgraded to this combo about a week ago GAME CHANGER
when you replace the lube in the t16000m and twcs throttle with some nyogel 767a, they are way nicer to use
LMAO I HAD THIS FOR ALMSOT 2 YEARS I DIDNT EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A OFF
How much u get urs for?
I got the stick with F/A-18 grip and I absolutely love it. I just sit on the plate and have the stick between my legs, love DCS in vr.
Thats a great idea! Just tried it and its perfect!
The grip itself isn't steel. That's injection molded zamak, or mostly zinc. That is why the grip is so incredibly heavy compared to aluminium sticks, and isn't as strong either. This weight requires a much harsher centering spring that would otherwise be required, and that puts emphasis on the center bump. When you transition from pulling stick forward to back, you'll feel that midpoint THUNK a lot more than on, say, CH Products sticks. Be gentle with that grip: there's a long history of sheared stems in the Cougar/Warthog community. It's just not in the same tier of durability as CH Products or especially VKB and Virpil.
I dont get the bit about the T Flight T16K pedals. They plug straight into my PC. Why do i need a new adaptor?
If you are a beginner these will not disappoint you on starting your Flight Sim Journey. The issue I suffered initially due to my lack of piloting did hinder my ability to setup the HOTAS Warthog Gear. I have the Throttle, Joystick and Rudders. Setup is easy, they are extremely solid and will be with you for a long time. If you are learning to fly at the same time, do not try and load a heap of functions, as you will not remember the configuration as you are trying to take off, cruise and land. In the C172 X-Plane 12 or MSFS 2020 start with your throttle setup, the (#1) Slide as your mixture and flaps. These are all you need in the early stages of your flight sim journey. .....Enjoy
Great review, but I understood from other sources that it is a bit stiff stick, so an extension tube is recommended, in addition you may want to place the stick lower since its pretty tall, with and without the extension...somewhere between the legs. Table placement can be problematic based on the reviews.
Afaik the F-16C stick and A-10C stick is the same stick, when they upgraded the hotas in the A-10 they decided to use the same stick as was being used in the F-16. So the standalone F-16 stick is mainly aimed at those who initially purchased the F/A-18 stick.
Watching the WAN show rn, but I have been looking for a HOTAS recently, cant wait to see what you have to say about this one!
I have a question about this stick, isnt the f16 stick the aame as the a10?
Yep, and yet Thrustmaster have chosen to sell the grip as a separate f-16 grip even though A-10 owners already have it.
@@raptorman0 because it's an option for those who bought the base and F-18 grip and now want to fly the F-16 in DCS, or those who want to use the grip on a Virpil base.
EDIT - but I'm not discounting marketing fudgery on their part
Do I need an adapter for the Logitech Pro rudder pedals? Doesn’t it plug into a USB port on my PC?
i want to get the F/A-18C Hornet Hotas but i dont know which base i need to get i have thinking of buying the TM HOTAS magnetic base but im not sure if it can fit can you please help me
Watch that pinky switch on the Throttle, only cheap part on that stick it breaks EASY!............(talking from experience!)
12:38 what adapter and whats it look like on their site because under their PC section i didnt see one....or may have missed it
for the record, that notch in the Thrustmaster Tflight is supposed to be fore reverse thrust in things that support that. It is really easy to disable though if you take the bottom panel off the throttle, you can simple remove the plastic track that causes that notch to be there.
Watching this makes me want to buy one, but I also want to buy a graphics card so I can also use it
Unable to find the Throttle anywhere. And what is available is sold at a criminal price. People are selling them for $700, $800 even $1000. shouldn’t be allowed! Hope no one buys them at that price. greedy bastards!
Having recently purchased a new Warthog HOTAS from TM I have been extremely disappointed with half of the two piece rig.
The throttle system is solid from top to bottom with it’s mostly metal construction. I even bought an upgraded joystick controller to replace that little nub that lies under the middle finger.
Highly recommend it.
Now the joystick...
First, though solidly built, quality control is lacking as after 3 months after purchase, the #5 button started acting up and then just quit working. Plus the grip rocked on the stem forward and back and no amount of tightening the screws completely resolved it.
The Warthog comes with a 2 yr warranty so I reached out, explained my issues and their reply was to send a picture of the serial number, a copy of the receipt and a video showing the issue. After complying, I was approved for repairs with a shipping label.
Living in CA I had to ship it to Canada for this process. It took over a month to get it back.
Now just under a year after purchase, the tension springs attached to the plastic gimbal are binding and “popping” when I work the stick aggressively or with finesse. Also the rocking is coming back and with it an added twist to the stick on the mount that should not be there.
Now I have to send it back again for repair and wait another 5 weeks to enjoy game play.
For the cost of the Warthog, I anticipated having a refurbished stick sent as I send in the faulty rig.
But I guess the premium price doesn’t necessarily equate to premium service.
A friend bought the Virpil Warbird base and put his TM F16 grip on it instead and loves it.
Perhaps that should be my solution as well as it’s gimbal is aluminum instead of molded plastic.
Totally awesome :-) honestly other than Flight sims.. That kind of pack could be fun in many sim games like farming simulator only there will not be correct support for it.. Where as in sim games it would be awesome (example using it on a front loader or something like that)
I’m a paraplegic and don’t have the use of my legs. Is there an easy way to convert something on the joystick to rudder control? I’m really interested in this stick because of the realism, so I’d like to keep everything as close to the actual thing as possible, I just need to change that one item.
The step in the middle is for splitting the the throttle. Some games, such as elite dangerous, and other games actually have reverse. Space...
In the settings you can use the throttle control for both.
Does it make sence to buy this one if u are mostly flying commercial airplanes like a A320 or smthng else?
TFCS is alright if you loosen the tension screw and I gave the inside rail a squirt of WD-40. I can make 1% increases now. I disable the twist axis in game.
just a little something if you don't own the t16000 flight packand buy the tfrp rudder pedals separately the pedals will come with the adapter
Thanks for the information. The only problem I have with the high end Thrustmaster sticks for F16, A10, etc. is that they are and always have been for right hand use only, so I will remain at the T1600M ambidextrous level.
If you want high end and left handed go get the Virpil Constellation Alpha which is available in both right- and left-hand configurations. I have waited 20 years for there to be a high end lefty stick and now I have one and it's great.
Thanks for the useful information. I've just bouth the Thrustmaster T.16000m joystick and throttle. Thanks
Great vid!
I want to buy HOTAS Warthog but I can not use Rudder Pedals for different reasons. Is there a way to fly with HOTAS Warthog and somehow assign rudder control in a different way than rudder pedals? I love to fly missions in DCS: A-10C Warthog :)
the click in the middle of the T.Flight HOTAS X is for space sims ware that click is off and if you push up that is forward and if you pull back that is revers
honestly its over priced for what it is. If your looking to spend that much money look at VIRPIL or VKB
It was only like $300-$400 a while back to get the Warthog HOTAS, now it is $900. Thanks 2020, and I can't forget to thank the pandemic for it's lovely contribution as well. All of this just in time for me to be stuck paying quadruple for the lower end HOTAS.
I'm just hoping our economy will make a turnaround and this pandemic will subside next year. Fingers crossed :(
Basically, if you need a video like this to decide on your first joystick, get the Thrustmaster T16000M.
It´s the cheapest you should go and is good enough to not warrant a replacement if you decide to delve deeper into the whole HOTAS thingy.
ill go straight to warthog then... thx for the input
Hi, thx for nice review. Can I ask You. Is it possible to play any simulator with this setup?
I mean DSC, Elite Dagnerous, Star Citizen, MSFS 2020 ....
I am still hesitating about Warthog or VPC MongoosT-50CM2.
Thx for Your respond.
I have dual Virpils for Star Citizen and they're great, but expensive and out of stock a lot of the time. I modded mine to add analog thumbstick throttles.
I can’t find a good flight stick anywhere right now, is there a shortage or something?
Yes and I'm crying 😭
Since most of them are from Asian countries, the Corona has hit them hard
Yea. There are alot out there at inflated costs used and new. I got lucky and snagged one at MSRP recently, very happy with it
I would love to get into flying but my last joystick and throttle broke and don’t have warranty and can’t afford a new one so does anyone have a spare or old one I could have?
I was thinking of picking this up for Microsoft Flight Simulator but the rudders are sold out everywhere! Are there any paddles on the warthog which I can use to control the rudders?
You'd be able to configure one of the hat switches as a rudder control. No curves, but it might do in the short term.
The only thing holding me back from this is so many people are commenting on the reviews from amazon saying after careful, but regular use, this thing breaks within a month or so. I have no issue spending the premium for this, but i want it to last. Any recommendations for something that is premium feel but actually lasts a lifetime?
holy crap how long do u have to talk about the weight just get into its features XD
He's trying to justify paying $850 for a controller That he will rarely use.
but what do you do if you dont have a rudder before buying the warthog HOTAS?
Regarding the TFRP rudder pedals, I bought mine as a stand-alone device about 5 years ago. They actually came with the RJ12 to USB adapter included. With the RJ12, you are able to connect them directly to the T Flight HOTAS X rather then separately into the PC.
Don't forgot the stick is the same as found in the F-16 and the throttle can be found in the F-15E aswell, so you got the control stick and throttle from 3 different planes :)
The F-15 E has the hornet stick
@@OddElephantLTU as i say the F15E has the throttle as well not the stick 😉
I found it second hand for 250 dollars and in my country new it cost 500 dollars and most 2nd hands cost between 300 and 350 so great deal in my opinion
Is love to get back into flight sims, but id like to get a vr headset first.
either get a rift s or wait for the new generation. but im way more than happy with my rift s(and no dont get a quest)
I want to try it with vr but haven't pulled the trigger
It's totally worth it. You can always get a cheap WMR headset for around $200 if I remember correctly, or you can step up to a Rift S or Quest with Quest link for $400. I have a Quest myself and generally don't have any issues with it on PC. I hadn't really considered it myself, but my parents got it for me for Christmas and I was blown away with how fantastic it was. It's great for sims, but there are also games like Boneworks that offer gameplay like nothing else you've ever played. I seriously cannot recommend it enough.
There is a cheaper alternative to VR - TrackIR or FaceTrackNoIR or FreeTrack - head tracking while still using your monitor.
It gives you all the advantages of VR in terms of usabilit, that you can simply look in the cockpit, better see the ground in VFR flights be better oriented in combat sims and in Star Citizen you even could use it for aiming. And all you need to try it is a simple webvam with face tracking, but IR LEDs are much better.
But obviously the immersion is nowhere near as good as with VR.
But this is much better for longer gaming sessions, because VR is very tiring.
Oh, and as you can see, James must be using head tracking because he has a PS3 Eye on his monitor, very popular for its high refresh rate.
@@jacekjagosz You forgot the biggest upside to tracking over VR, not knocking over your drink lol. But seriously sometimes it's nice to be able to use your hands. But if someone insists on VR then I recommend Voice Attack to go with it, really Voice Attack is a great addition to any gaming, especially "Hands On Throttle And Stick".
Concerning flight simulator 2020: are there game settings for the flight simulator as well? Does it work with FS 2020?
if you want to ever upgrade your base to a mechanical one look at virpal bases
Wait til you've had it a while.There is a bit of lateral play on the throttle bodies if you use them independently ,like I do, and the pinky switch is flimsy and wobbly right out the box.I've had mine since they came out and wouldn't use anything else ,but there are issues.
My stick was bricked and needed a new PCB as well and the illumination for Flow L has never worked.Still the best out there IMO ,but not infallible.
'Stiction' is a well documented issue but I've been lucky so far and have had my 'Hog for years.
I would love to try a Virpil out.
Also as you pointed out rudder pedals are a must and changing up from a X52 and MSFF2 as I did takes a bit of getting used to,but adds to the realism.
Hi, some great information. I’ve just started sim flying and went for the warthog hotas!Do you have any idea why my throttle won’t work with IL2 battle of Stalingrad but the joystick is ok! Thanks David
Hey Major,
Thanks for the video I am looking into getting my first HOTAS and the Warthog is really looking appealing to me. I was just curious in your professional opinion is this not a good stick because it doesn't have a twist stick? Is this necessary for a better experience? Should I look for a stick with twist? I am planning to play Star Wars Squadrons with it. Also Im hearing some people are disappointed with the quality due to some components being made at plastic? Did you feel disappointed in this? Anyone who has some input feel free to chime in! Thanks for your help fam!
Concerning the twist, the stick not having it was probably an intentional decision for several reasons:
a) the real Warthog stick (or any other plane stick for that matter) doesn't have twist on it;
b) the twist rudder is less accurate than pedals since you usually twist the stick a bit when you move it around;
c) when you drop this kind of money on a HOTAS most people will get the pedals for the full experience anyway.
In my opinion having twist on this stick would make it worse because it would mess with the solid feel of it. Of course, this means you pretty much need pedals alongside, unless you are happy with binding the rudder to buttons or something.
This HOTAS is really going more for the simulation audience. That's not to say you can't use it for other stuff, I also play Elite Dangerous with it and I couldn't be happier, but it really shines with more hardcore/realistic games. In more arcade-y titles you might actually be at a slight disadvantage versus someone with an X52 for example, since they can swing that thing around much faster since it's so light and plasticky.
Concerning the plastic components, the only real place where I think this is a problem is the stick base; the inside is mostly plastic and some people (including me) have had problems with the gimbal not travelling as smoothly as it should and sticking a bit when holding the stick off center, which is quite annoying. Can be solved by taking it apart and regreasing it though, but many think that this kind of problem on a 500+ dollar stick is unacceptable. I also managed to break my base by twisting the stick too hard when taking off an extension, so that's something to watch out for (it was fixable but a pain in the ass). The rest of the stick and throttle feels very well made and sturdy though.
The solution many go with (and which I went with as well) is to buy an aftermarket base (something from Virpil for example), which is night and day better and uses all metal insides. However, that's another couple hundred dollars added to the price so you might as well buy a complete setup from one of these smaller manufacturers at that point.
In a nutshell, despite a couple issues this is by far the best mainstream stick available IMO and the only way to get better quality is to go for boutique brands, which of course come with a considerable price jump.
@@dinamitemaster Thanks for the info! I greatly appreciate it I got a Logitech X56 in the meantime because I cant find a Warthog lower than $1000 right now. I figured if I get this I can get Logitech Pedals next as well!
@@ShadowstrikeS99 Yeah, unfortunately flight peripheral prices have gone through the roof recently because of Microsoft Flight Simulator. Hopefully this will make more companies consider bringing out some new stuff, the market could really use it.
How are you finding the X56? That was actually my first choice and I probably would've got it if I hadn't found a good deal on a used Warthog with pedals. Is it worth the money?
I'm waiting for the yoke and helicopter controls.
Can anyone here tell me if a warthog throttle will work with the T.M.16000m stick and pedal
You should look at the TPR. Solid metal just like the Warthog. Same price, so expensive. But feels good. And no need for an adapter. Love mine. Toe breaks and resistance is adjustable. Check it out.
Hey what is the adapter I need to make the pedals work I can't find the right one please help
im really getting sick of these obscene prices and shortages for all joysticks and yokes and HOTAS setups i mean cmon 1000 dollars for the thrustmaster warthog hotas how long does it take for these companys like thrustmaster saitek honey comb catch up with the demand when flight sim 2020 came out the only thing i could get for reasonable price was the thrustmaster t16000m with the throttle and pedals and its okay i wasnt paying 5-600 dollars for the x56 or a 1000 for the warthog the price gouging for these type products and the new nvidia cards is gotten out of control
I bought the warthog from Dell for $420, just arrived 2 months later. Better than the scalpers on ebay.
This looks much better than the Logitech x56
Hi, thanks for the review, keen to know on the specific adapter you were talking about to link TM pedals with this unit, do you have a link or detail model name please.
Also do you mind for a detailed review and demonstrate how you optimise the usage of throttle unit particularly for DCS please, thank you
Thrustmaster TPR pedals are brilliant, but pricey.