BMW M3 | Massive Power and Updates
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ส.ค. 2024
- We discuss the changes to the 2025 BMW M3 Competition xDrive. After detailing some of the pros and cons and engineering, we took this car for a street drive. With a price spread from $70,000 to $100,000, this 3 Series is big money. Which would you choose, Lotus Emira, Supra, Corvette C8, or Mustang Dark Horse?
#cars #engineering #business
00:00 Interior and Exterior Changes
2:56 Mechanical Changes
5:54 Driving Impressions
13:10 Final Thoughts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Thanks to the mechanical portion, I can now understand why I see these cutting me off at 120 on the parkway’s in New York, thanks guys :)
LMFAOOO
I can confirm that 😭😭😭😭😭 many bmw clubs & owners here NYc 😂😂😂😂
lol. Lack of brain plays a big roll in that as well
Stay out of the left lane ;-)!
@@serow6 Amen
I'm that engineer, with a family that needs a do it all, everything car. It was always my dream to have an M3, the downer is price. People will say "buy an m340" but in my mind that's a compromise for my goals and being a car enthusiast, the want to have the top trim I know would continue to eat at me. The sad part is all the older M3s that are in decent shape are still very expensive. A last year generation f80 comp pack is still up in the 60s for low miles. and its 6 years old! Its crazy how fast everything has shot up in price... anyway I'll get off my soapbox, love the videos and keep up the good work!
Same boat, I ended up getting a new 2023 X3 M40i and I love it, but I’m still always eyeing an M3. Is it worth the extra $30K stretch over my X3 for an M3 Comp xDrive? Maybe…?
@@mattspeer01 Uhm, best advice for both of you is that 'comparison is the thief of joy'
@@SkeletalMisunderstanding and i am the thief of your mom's bussy
"and its 6 years old!"
I'm happy driving 20 year old cars.
This gives way to first world problem syndrome. Does it really matter that you didn't get the top of the line M3 when you wont even use 70% of the performance? Are you getting it for the prestige?
Can’t believe this things been out for 4 years already… wheres time going?
Covid… Covid is where the time was lost…
Time flies by a lot faster when you're older
@@joe718gt4 I really believe that coffee doesn't really help me, I'm just alert and time goes by faster, but I'm not any more productive... Maybe this is the issue
Obviously into those massive nostrils 🐽
@grigorioschristodoulou5229 I am nowhere near as productive as I used to. But I am in a much better spot physically, mentally, and financially these days. I am at a point the grind isn't worth it anymore. You need money, but even then it could only do so much to make you happy. So I just keep in shape and just travel when I can. Long term goals which almost never have an end, so in some ways you are still grinding.
Conversation at 11:40. I never thought I'd be there, but it's becoming a reality. I have a couple fun cheap Japanese cars, but weekend garage wrenching time has given way to weekend kids time. And now I completely understand spending (what I thought was) crazy sums of money for car that's hot rodded out of the box and needs nothing.
The farm to table comment got a good chuckle out of me this morning lol
Wages down, prices up. Yet manufacturers seem to be cranking out 50k+ cars en masse while letting dealers mark up anything bellow.
Well you and a lot of people been saying that for years now and yet BMW outsold Merc and Audi last year. I wonder how that works😮
@@gaara4667Debt, leasing, and China. It's not that complicated.
Wages aren't down for the top 10%. They go up no matter what. Wages are down for everyone else. And thus car isn't made for them.
@@gaara4667 They're all luxury car companies that are direct competitors, of course ONE of them will outsell the other three.
Wages aren’t down. You’re just making up your own reality.
Can't get over those screens. Same thing with the new Mustang. Its like a Sim cockpit.
For real! And the way they just have some stick looking plastic piece in the back holding it up! So ridiculously bad looking, especially as a passenger! You would think the designers would have designed the screen integration better…
@@JacesOwnWorld True it looks a bit weird from passengers perspective, but as a driver i'd say they work great.
@@JacesOwnWorld "You would think the designers would have designed the screen integration better…" Hah, you would not think that if you saw the outside.
I am with you. They look so bad. For an upscale brand, I would expect the screens to be beautifully wrapped in the dash.
Yup, they might as well include VR goggles with the purchase.
I rent cars all the time while at work. Other cars just feel like they're held together by cheap plastic parts, even new 2024 models. They feel like the engine, transmission, suspension are not in sync. I drove a new Ford lately and the accelerator pedal was so vague that it was just a suggestion by me than an input. When you get in the BMW, it's just smooth, everything is tight, steering, brakes, engine, and if you just touch the accelerator it just goes. I have balding tires right now and my ride is just silky smooth and quiet still, it's a testament to BMW suspension. BMW just has the best chassis and drive, that's what you're paying for.
My new Mustang gt would say different on that input lol
It’s facts. Even a base model F30 328i without any sport package has better throttle response than its class competitors. I’ve driven other cars with similar and sometimes even more power than a 328i and they feel noticeably slower under 60% throttle. Like I drove a Lexus IS300 which has a 2.0 liter turbo four just like the Beemer and you have to floor it to achieve any meaningful acceleration whereas the 328i, even in comfort mode, accelerates smoothly and adequately with very little throttle. Those Bavarian bastards just know how to do driving dynamics.
I feel that too even in a lot of modern vehicles that I've driven compared to my old 2008 328i haha. Chevy, Ford, etc. feels cheaper in every way. Owning a German car spoils you. I do wish the manual experience was a little better, but it's still fun.
What isn’t expensive?
People are paying 6 figures for pickups. People are paying $50-$60k for a mid grade crossover…
Late stage capitalism has fucked everything up
lol minivans cost $60k as well. This at $80-100k isn’t bad at all
Exactly. The new Camry tops out at 42k 😂😂.
For the whiners: the base price of an M3 in 2000 was $45K. Adjusted for inflation that’s about $82k.
The M3 has always been expensive.
@@user-vx7vi3vq1c I picked up lunch for one of my employees yesterday- just a basic combo meal- almost $14. Things are more expensive- and shouldn’t require some kind of revelation to an adult.
Massive weight update too
Yeah, I couldn't believe the weight when I saw it. But I think they're just masking it with computers. It's a point and click car for people to compare numbers on a piece of paper.
@@hamsterbrigadeI wouldn't mind weight gain if it wasn't for the fact heavier cars go through consumables like brakes and tires more quickly
Body shaming!#$! Well, it is an inanimate object.
They keep getting bigger too. A G80 M3 is the same size as the E39 M5.
@@Ward413I've seen an e39 recently and I was surprised in how small it looked. Like holy crap cars in the US are PHAT. PHAT PHAT PHAT.
Im with Jack on this one. If I have the money to run a car like the M3 it doesnt matter all that much if its 80 or 100k, since the running costs alone needs you to have a high income anyways. What I want is a sports car I can also take for a trip without all the compromises to a race car. Thats why it sells so well aswell. Can you have more fun in a track specced Miata? Hell yeah! Do the buyers of the M3/M4 want that? No.
Exactly right. I’ve spent $10k in 10 months of ownership keeping my m3 in good shape. Basically costs $1k a month not including payment
As a BMW salesperson, I thought the G80 would be an absolute failure because the internet roasted the grille. However, the G80 has been the most successful M car BMW has ever made. Four years later and we still are selling them straight off the boat.
You mean to tell me that teenagers and people who couldn’t afford an M3 anyways didn’t affect sales numbers with their opinions? No way…
I had to wait 7 months for mines after multiple attempts to get one from out of state dealers. Definitely a hard car to get.
I think most people just got use to it after a little while. The new M3/4 actually looks pretty good up close.
Because there’s hardly any competition especially after Mercedes took themselves out with the new C63 AMG
@@504Kellz-zy9qhyou can laugh. But I doubt many of the people that bought the car, genuinely thinks it is a handsome car. To a degree it is willfully ugly at the front. While I am not in the market for a car at this price point, if I was I would try to buy a better looking car.
12:31 Bingo! Just picked up a 24 CT5 BW Manual few months ago and in love! Provides the same all in one package as the M3, a fast fun daily practical 4 door that can haul the family. What it offers that others cant 668hp rwd manual sedan, raw and visceral feeling and that sound! No other manufacturer offers something like this right now, honestly never thought I'd buy a caddy. Im coming from an E92 M3 to B9 RS5 to this CT5 BW, honestly my favorite car so far. Yes, fit, finish and luxury may not be up to par but that joy that engine gives me is unmatched. The sound is just insane, cant get that sound anymore with all these small liter turbo motors unfortunately.
Another CT5-V Blackwing owner here who came from a manual E90 M3. I enjoy it far more than my drive in a new M3 xDrive Comp. Engine is amazing, fantastic manual, and wonderful chassis with truly amazing Magneride.
I’m a bit saddened that SG has never reviewed the M340i 😢
That car seems to be quite the sweet spot. Looking to maybe getting one, actually.
@@AviationDirection Ya it’s the Goldilocks of BMW sedans. Fast and capable enough, good MPG, reliable engine, affordable, and overall fantastic daily driver.
M340i is a better car than an M3 for a daily driver if you don’t want a speeding ticket every month 😉
@@sokratzmmf Drove one for the first time yesterday. Non AWD model. It’s plenty quick as is. Buying one with Xdrive and doing a stage 1 flash would be perfect for me.
Your comment at 11 minutes is literally why I just bought the M3 comp xdrive. On my way to and from the hospital I have 30 miles of highway. I currently have the M340 and it’s an excellent car but this is next level. Thank you guys for your excellent reviews!
I had to go and watch again LC500 convertible that you posted month ago to clean my palate...that v8 sound is just magical
I have and M340 and love it and this M3. Having driven the M3 Comp, it is incredible. But for the price my money goes to the Caddilac CT5-V Blackwing with a manual. Yes, you can have your cake and eat it too.
But I don’t want cake; I want steak, which is why I wouldn’t buy either of them. For the record, I owned an E36 for 18 years, and thoroughly enjoyed it, even though it had more cake than I really wanted.
I would honestly buy the CT5-V with a manual just for resell value alone. That car also has a V8. It is going to become an instant classic and bring in lots of $$ in the future in manual form. I would drive it very little to where the ODO wouldn’t show any more than 5-10k miles.
@@JacesOwnWorld When you are buying a car for resale value, you are no longer a part of the car enthusiast group, especially when you are hoarding a good car away from another person who could be having a blast driving it all the time.
G80 owner here. You captured my usecase perfectly. I live in the middle of nowhere and drive my car over long distances and only get to enjoy my car when im driving alone to work. This car is very comfortable in rush hour traffic, cruising on the highway and letting it loose through beautiful mountain passes. It does everything well
100%. I’m an F80 owner & have extensive time in the G8X platform. These vehicles do everything perfectly & tempt me to switch often. This will be an M car for the ages.
Interestingly, I am in the opposite of position of you, and the G80 still fits my use-case perfectly. I live in a very large city, don't drive much (5k miles a year), and parking is hard to come by/expensive. If I had more than one car I would need to street park one of them and the likelihood of that car getting broken into, cat converter stolen, tickets, etc... is very high. So the notion of a single car that can satisfy the enthusiast in me when going for a fun drive, have rear folding seats for random errands, be comfortable enough for 3-6 hour weekend road trips, and be highly capable for a track day... all in one car... is pretty awesome.
If I had more garage room I would for sure want something like an Evora 400, Z06, Cayman... but even still, my daily would likely still be something like an M3/M5/RS7/X5M, etc... The beauty of the G80/G82 is you get all that practicality and on a track it would beat or be nose-to-nose with any of the aforementioned sports cars (and even many supercars).
Everything except look appealing
See, the people that own them or have driven them extensively know how great they are 👍🏼
I have a M850i, some similar points. Fun factor is high enough for me.
Great vid guys… Thanks for the thrill ride! BMW is back! 👍🏼😎Cheers
M3 Wagon. Now that is the one car garage. Simply does everything. Phenomenal
Model Y Performance, especially when the refreshed one comes out. That’s a one car solution.
@@billm47645it’s not
@@billm47645As a car guy with almost 200k miles on a Model 3, I would never be able to make an EV my only car in the garage.
@@billm47645biggest L take
What a load of crap. A tesla my only car? Any ev other than that@@billm47645
That blue interior is pretty rare.
Luckily.
It’s kind of sickening to me
Love that Mark is highlighting the faults of this car while having a smile on his face. That's how you know this is awesome
2:05 Review any BMW without mentioning B58 and ZF8 Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
because b58 rules boy
You got that right, since having a family the only fun me time now I get is in my GR86 when going to work and sometimes at the weekend. I truly understand now why sports cars are made!
Can’t even buy a sh!tb@x f150 for 70k making this a bargain😂
The world has lost its mind...
Gotta spend atleast 50 bands now to get a good new sports car it’s insane
@@drunkpolack7612if you adjust for inflation most new sports cars were always just as expensive
A c5 corvette in 1999 had an MSRP of about $38000.
That’s $72000 in todays money
@@drunkpolack7612They don’t sell in volume so they have to recoup development costs with higher prices.
Just a reality check, a 2004 base BMW M3 coupe starts at $47,100 MRSP, $78,179 adjusted for inflation. The convertible base MSRP is $92,000 in 2024 dollars as well. The middle class buying power has eroded at the same time but the car prices are bang on with inflation, and you get so much performance nowadays for that money.
exactly what i think about whenever mark goes off on how expensive cars have become, when the increase in performance value is not commensurate with the price increase at all
Biden did that!
@@chuckcribbs3398 this started well before Biden and is a class issue not a party issue. Don’t let them fool you and have us turn against each other.
2008 M3 base price was $56,000 then, adjusted for inflation that's $80,000 today.
Meanwhile if you go on BMWs website right now, a base M3 is.... $76,000. Literally in line with what they cost 20 years ago. All the doomer economics in the comments don't show up in the aggregate data, y'all need to get with reality.
These are the good times right now. wages have outpaced inflation the past few years, unemployment is at historic lows, the economy is doing well, home ownership rates are on pace with previous generations. If your own personal situation is bad I feel for ya, but don't pretend that's the situation for the whole economy and everyone else. All the people doing well aren't on the Internet complaining all day. If things suck for you right now, take advantage of opportunities and do better for yourself.
6:30 my prostate loose Ayo 😭
Big pause
Up the butt
Would like to see a review of the Alfa Giulia QV refresh. I'm interested in how it compares. Love the videos, keep up the good work.
Originally I thought the grill was horrendous, I despised the overall look. But then I drove a manual G82 M4 at my local dealership and it was as though a powerful set of beer goggles had been plopped on my face. I enjoyed driving that car so much that when I was walking around the exterior after the test-drive I was thinking to myself 'huh, this thing actually looks pretty darn good'. Hahaha.
The aftermarket bumpers look better, but that front grill has slowly grown on me to the point that I like it
No, it doesn't. lol
Thats what happens when ur a follower n easily brain washed everyone on media told u it looks bad n u tricked urself into believing it untill slowly u woke up. 😂 This thing looked stunning since day 1.
Same here! Absolutely hated the front grill, but then I saw one in person and it completely changed my view! So much to purchasing one. Granted, I know the Internet loves to hate pretty much everything. 😂
Once I saw the gt3 version of it I fell in love
Jack is 100% on point with the 1-car approach. This is how I use my M2. Kids fit in the back, nice to drive on work trips, can pack it up and wring it out on track days, and put some snow tires on it for the winter. I'll consider getting a G80 someday for this same purpose!
An M2 is a compromise everywhere
@@moneykm10 except in the do-it-all catagory 😝
911 is a way better do everything car and it doesn’t look like it was designed by 19yo Chinese kids.
Personally I'd pair the M2 with something like an X1. A 1-car solution is more like an M3 Touring or an RS6 Avant
Makes sense Turbowski wasn’t in the shop today, he thought previous M cars were overpriced and not his style.
He hasn't been in the shop for years - lol!
@@billyhughes9776 Get that man back in the shop with an oily rag hanging out of his pocket!
😍that blue black interior though 😍
About right. Drove M4s on track at the BMW hpd event in Palm Springs. Came away absolutely flabbergasted and in awe of the cars capability. Just brutal performance and incredible engineering.
But I felt nothing.
I manipulated the pedal and wheels, but the car did all the driving.
Like a sim setup, indeed.
The might of 80 computers all working together.
@@Syncopiabut no soul
That's why I bought the 6spd manual.😜 *Completely* different experience. Sure, you give up the opportunity to have AWD (and a bit of hp/torque) ... but it's totally worth it (and then some). Amazing machine.
The ability to modify and tune this vehicle while having AWD to tame traction issues is what really makes this car special.
Yeah but then your warranty is out and then you're out 100k if it blows up
@@DannySarbs these cars can hold tunes pretty well. It doesn’t take much to get deep into the 10s.
@@LearningFastyes, they are, but there is still a risk involved. There are S58’s that have blown with tunes. Just because the majority haven’t doesn’t mean yours wouldn’t. So that risk in a $100k+ car is just silly. The car is already super fast stock that tuning wouldn’t even be something I would entertain until that warranty is expired.
@@JacesOwnWorldplenty of factory vehicles have potential engine failure concerns from C6 Z06’s dropping valves, plenty of BMW’s and Porsche’s needing connecting rod and crank bearings, etc. my buddies brand new Denali just spun a bearing last weekend with 10k miles on it. Does a tune on this car increase liability? Maybe but I don’t think so. Regardless, it’s within my threshold of acceptable. Don’t let an exception keep you from loving your best life bro! Cheers!😊
I have a jb4 that's a simple piggy back tune and front mount intakes. That's it. Spent roughly 1.2k and I'm running 10.4 quarter miles and my 0-60 is 2.7-2.8 sec. Truly insane numbers with just a piggyback plug and play.
"Jarred my prostate loose" hahaha single handedly made my day. Going to say that from now on
That rawness that you used to get in the E36, E46, E92 is long gone and not coming back. With the power/performance on tap you really can’t go back or you’ll have a whole lot of insurance claims. You could say each of those generations above lost a bit of feel. This is where the numbers game, huge horsepower, warp speed 0-60 and 1/4 mile times have their drawbacks. I’m still in awe and amazement that you can have a 10 second car, easily 9’s with minor mods that drives so easily. Hammer it and it’s a beast yet controllable in comparison to what a car running 9’s would have been like in the 90’s. It’s amazing how tame performance can be, and while you lose that rawness and feedback, you gain a far more capable car. Yeah that feedback is awesome, but so is pounding the street with something so capable.
Miata is the answer. I fell for the numbers game too, my last car being a 2023 M2. I had to be going 100+MPH to "feel" anything..., and I'm not a track person. I'm now in a 24 MX5 RF Club. I now understand why Miata is always the answer.
More fun for your money than one of these,by a mile.
I went down a similar route as you, had a ct4 blackwing now traded for a BRZ. These new cars are so capable it just makes them numb like youre playing a driving sim. P.S. I typed this before I heard Mark say the same thing lol.
Disagree. Being tall, I can’t fit. But if I was shorter, it’s still too gutless. Some of us like instant power whenever we want. A Miata has to be run out constantly and thrown around corners constantly to even enjoy it. That’s cool and all, but most of us are too busy to take cars out constantly to windy roads or tracks, and more so daily driving on streets and highways. This is where “instant power fun” comes into play, and is so much funner than a wimpy little gutless Miata.
I agree but it's just way too small and impractical to have as a daily.
did the same with my 944 I can have fun around the speed limit if you want to pass me in your BMW and do 85 have fun I have a smile doing 45
This makes me feel even better about my CT4V Blackwing manual
Rather have the bmw any day
Why? They praised it for 20 minutes🤣
You realize m3 and m4 also come in manual, right? The build quality will surpass anything GM can do
With a worse feeling shifter, a numb chassis, and a pig nose.
@captainholmes … a ct5v was recently caught by cops in Georgia flying down the road at 143 mph … google it up
Perfect analysis of this car. and i agree with Mark. Less power, more feel.
This is the last pure ICE BMW M3. The next generation, probably, gonna be a hybrid, like modern 5 series. Kinda sad, if you'd ask me.
Thank Democrats for that pushing this EV ideology.
Vote differently next time and we won’t have to worry about EVs anymore.
And it will probably look a lot worse than this one, even with the horrible front end that we already have...
It's a global shift. Which ever party "controls" the US will have no impact on this shift when companies are selling vehicles worldwide.
A SG video drop on friday mornings always puts a smile on my face, what a great way to start the end of the work week
Absolutely spot on review and understanding of the G8X. I've owned mine for 2.5 years, 6MT G80, and absolutely love it. The 6MT version begs for certain mods but these are bargains already with values for the 6MT dropping while the xDrive version holding. A piggyback tune, CDV delete, some exhaust mods, and the base G80 is easily the best car to drive around every single day in. I'm at 25k miles and loving it.. despite replacing rubber bushings with spherical bearings, full coilovers, single turbo conversion, etc. lol
surprising with 6MTs going away that they aren't holding their value. Before ordering new, I was looking used and they were hard to find. Either way this gen is going to hold value well as the last ICE m3 gen.
ahhh new video, perfect morning...
It’s a shame the car industry doesn’t operate somewhat like the motorcycle industry, where I can buy a motorcycle designed in 1991 without ANY CHANGES, brand new today in 2024 for an affordable price.
That isn’t most bikes, but at least I have the option.
Why many of us started riding motorcycles years ago. Still cheap and even an old cycle can be restored for not a lot of money.
Isnt that what Dodge makes?😅
@@helmerdrake crappy then, crappy now!
@@MrTrestono no no. Can’t have your cake and eat it too. You get what you want so don’t complain.
Manufacturers can’t win and this is why they do as they please.
Uhhhh safety standards, backup cams, emissions. Do bikes have any impact standards?
Jack nailed it- When you’re at the peak-career stage of life, your selfish-fun time is in the driver’s seat during your commute. While I don’t like any BMW today, this car is compelling on the spec sheet as that do-it-all car.
For me, I’ll take a lightly-used Veloster N DCT, plastic-and-all. The kids can suffer in the back, and I get to continue hyphenating at every opportunity.
Sending this comment to the wife. So true! Selling other toys that require me to travel to get to. Just no time with kids but a fun car like this would help.
@@shakenbake11 You’re either first or last!
😂
Great videos on on M3, i really agreed that you said we dont need so much house power on a car, but the connection between driver and vehicle. such as Subaru BRZ mannual, 718 2.5T cayman.
Dying to see a Ranger Raptor on road review. I hope thats in the works in the future. I loved the desert run video
It’s over 300 lbs heavier than the previous gen, it’s now a muscle car
@johndoe70770 yes. It’s bigger, heavier than a GT350 and the newest dark horse. Also it’s slower mid corner. Where it finds its lap times are corner exit traction zone and straight.
depends which one you get. 8 speed xdrive is close to 4,000 lbs, but the manual RWD base car is more like 3750 according to the scales. Not horrible, but still a bit heavier.
@@Wyde_Boi modern cars have corrupted your sense of heaviness. The thing is the same weight as a model3 performance, a freaking battery car that’s possibly even faster. It’s almost double the weight of my lotus elise
Totally. Xdrive is simply not the kind of system you get when you want to thrash your car like an M car of old. It's super unpredictable and jittery at least to my low skill and having driven every generation M3.
@johndoe70770 I just looked it up and a manual M4 is 3,709lbs (according to C&D), so within 50lbs of a GT350R. Not bad considering most of that is probably the CF wheels that you'll take off for the track anyway. Edit: the GT350R is 3,717lbs... I thought it was just under 3,700 since that's where the SS 1LE is at too. I guess 3,700 is the new 2,7000 XD
What a great conversation 👍🏼
I just love hearing you two laugh lol!
Nothing like it? Did you forget the Alfa Giulia Quadrofolio?? With 505 HP?
Yup
Because fact of the matter is that the Giulia QV is 7-8 years old and is still more pleasurable to drive and does everything they wish this car did. Except maybe go a little faster.
@@williamcolas6652BMW M3 is faster, it’s nicer, it’s way more refined, it has way better interiors… but don’t worry, you can keep writing bullshits, it’s your right. 😂
My ‘23 DDHC in every stop light drag race would beat my pal’s ‘23 M3 XDrive Comp. We were shocked every time. Thoughts?
I appreciate you two
Love how you blacked out the speedometer at 56 mph when you nailed it from a stop
Everytime I hear Mark laught a part of me think this world isn't that bad.
Would love a review of the m340i. You guys always refer to it, but no review!
I hope the guys see this and review one asap. It’s truly the best 3 series that BMW have put out in a long time.
Such a beauty…can’t wait to pay off med school student debt and finally be able to get a nice car ☺️
What’s the point of becoming a doctor if you struggle to afford a BMW 😂😅???
@@jamieorion5814 I didn’t go into medicine for a car 😂 I am neurosurgery resident & barely make $60k so I have other expenses priorities and constraints
@@jamieorion5814He'll be looking way past BMW once he finishes his residency.
You forgot the Giulia qv....that was my personal choice between the two. Best car I've had!
You got me with the use case. Doctor here working heavy load. I enjoy the car on my way to work. Lots of miles already on my 2023
Dentist here, admittedly not working much ;). It's my daily driver, xdrive was a must for Canadian winter. 25,000km on my 2023 and loving every minute of it
The E36 and E46 were the two best looking 3 series! I'm sorry, but the front end of this car looks like it was designed by Stevie Wonder, because obviously he didn't see his creation!
The greatest all around car on the market today. It can outrun damn near everything with enough space and comfort for the family. My M340xi is a great car as well but after driving a M3 at M Experience event I prefer its extra tautness and power. If you think BMW’s are expensive, try pricing an entry level 911.
Great video & comments........agree with you. A few weeks ago I drove the current X5M, M2 Auto & M3 Manual. All were great in their own way, but all felt "digital" to me vs. my daily driver which feels more analogue. The X5M was a total monster, the M2 feels way too heavy compared to my Car & the M3 Manual only made sense when I was driving in M2 (Button) mode. They are all great Cars though, in their own way & I was even a little worried about getting back from the day's drive and getting back into mine. So come the end of the day, I drove home in my 1M and I had a new found appreciation for how good it really is, as an analogue Car that is connected to the road, my backside, arms & right foot. The M Servotronic Steering is just so good, as is the much lighter weight of the Car. So I doubt I'll sell the 1M, but a Manual M2 would be nice so I have the best of both worlds. Obviously a first world problem.
good lease car, can't imagine owning a bmw though. after 5 years it's not worth it.
Better off financing these, at least the m3 xdrive. They’ve held value exceptionally well.
Amen, and if you do buy one off lease, get an extended warranty.
I don’t hate the front anymore. But it’s still not a lasting look
Can’t stand it
For all the hate Audi/Porsche gets for being conservative, at least they still look good 10+ years later.
Would love to see you guys revisit the Giulia Quadrifoglio one last time for the final year of the current generation as a comparison to the M3 in terms of driver engagement. Personally I think it’s the sweet spot for performance and actually feeling something when you drive.
I get what Mark is saying. I can't believe we are at this place in the world where M3s cost this much. I was young in HS and college when my "halo" cars the e36,e46, and finally the e90 M3 were produced. Always expensive, but seemed manageable to own at some point. I lusted over these cars and said one day I'll have one. Finally (and fortunately) having a great career that is paying off after years of hard work, my day is coming. I have a G80 M3 6MT that just arrived at port and should be delivered in the next few weeks. I geeked out and painstakingly went through all options and tracked it like a car nerd throughout the entire build process. I thought I'd go for an m2, but my better half convinced me otherwise. Jack nailed the buyer type to a T. I want to have a fun driving experience when I'm at home. I want to drive my car and let my kids have fun with me on the way to take them to school (memories). The reason my original fun car is sitting in shortage is due to lack of versatility. Wrapping all this up, I'm thrilled. Yes, it is overpriced. Yes, it has muted handling compared to years past, but wow, I'm about to own the last gen manual transmission RWD, ICE rocket sled that produces nearly 500HP. It is the "Jack of all trades" :) . I didn't consider any other car. This hits all the marks for what I want out of a non daily fun car. What a time to live in and I'm finally living the dream of M car ownership. Great video, keep up the great content!
Love my G80 Manual!!! Paid 80k in 23 with all the options I wanted. Worth every dime
My god, it looks like they just bolted the screens onto the dashboard....terrible
They literally did 🤮
That’s the main reason why I only like the 21-22 model years.
On a one car idea it's a good choice for myself, I drive a decent amount as a commuter but don't make 911 money yet. My build is the M3 Comp rwd a couple of mandatory options its 88k with everything you need and some goodies.
Would love to see you guys drive a slightly modified version that adds some of that feedback back. Apparently front lower control arm monoballs really wake the front up. Also the CS software flash for the diff/steering/suspension is always a good option. I feel like the F80 and G80 have a lot of potential with a few of these key "feeling" mods.
Amazing video gentlemen. Again. That said, shame about the looks of this thing, prefer the M2 and it’s manual transmission, although the looks of the M2 is also questionable.
You guys have described me to a tee. I had a c5z when I was younger, and I miss it every day. Nothing else I’ve driven has felt anywhere near as visceral and connected as that car. Now I have a wife and kids and drive an STI. It’s a fantastic and all-rounder that feels way more mechanical than most other cars in its price point on the road today, but it’s an econo-box and it feels like it. The vette feels like it slips on you like a silk glove. The STI feels like you’re in a glass shoebox. Where I am today, with a wife and two kids, I need something that does everything but gives me a sense of joy when I drive it. I’d love a CT5-V BW, but living with New England winters doesn’t lend itself well to a monster v8 rwd car, as amazing as it is. So I’m considering an m3 competition xdrive. I only have one garage bay for myself (and one for the wife), so both a daily driver and a “fun” car is not an option right now. Thoughts?
Snow tires, and extra weight in the trunk (i.e. a 70lbs sandbag or two) should be fine with the CT5-V.
You will not be disappointed. I literally don’t know what other car to get after this m3 Xdrive. Anything faster is less practical and comfortable. Anything more comfortable is slower and less athletic
Rent a storage unit to keep the Blackwing in off-season.
Too bad they sound like a vacuum cleaner, nothing beats a v8 man. Get the caddy
Cadillac ftw and just rent a storage unit
You know what's something I don't appreciate? For the drive sections of the videos, they're doing two drives (at least). One for their impressions, and one for driver pov. Sounds simple enough, but you realize that they're perfectly sinking up the outside view with the inside experience. Thats pretty hard.
Excited the M340i got a shoutout as a better street / everyday car. I've just ordered a new one :)
I’m a simple man, give me a savagegeese g80 video while I’m waiting for my individual lci g81 touring to be built - I’ve had all the m3 generations since e46 and now as a new father, the idea of a bigger more comfortable m3 just makes sense. In wagon body at least, it’s the closest you can get to the elusive single vehicle garage
But its no B58
Audi rs6 avant
@@henrik1743real
@@vettesweetnoscan’t go around a corner, my f-pace svr handles better
@samcas707 he mentioned wagon but yes I would prefer a corner carver. Is the fpace available in the US?
Alfa Romeo Giulia QV🇮🇹🇮🇹👍
Honestly shocked you guys haven't reviewed the M340i after reviewing the M240i years ago.
Dude, same!! Jack keeps talking about the B58, so I had to do a double take and nope, never have reviewed the M340i. Damn shame. 😢
Around the 11 min mark- exceptional insight into exactly the demographic this car is designed for!
Follow up question: How is the ride comfort for rear passengers or baby in a carseat on comfort mode?
Its on the choppy ride. Its not bad but it lacks refinement.
I prefer Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio.Soo much joy😊😊
AWD S58 M3 ones of the best engines in the market right now crazy interior & puts power down like more affective than any other 500hp. What’s not to love ❤️
The front end
@@digitalgulby. 😅😅 all I can say is drive one , you will over pass that like many of us
@@DailyOwnSupercars I’m sure that’s true. My buddy owns one it’s a fantastic car. I was just being sarcastic.
@digitalgulby no worries 👍🏼 good chatting man
It’s a great do all car. Just crossed 11k miles on my ‘23 x drive.
6:06 Whoa Nice Launch
We are devolving as a species
I would argue we never evolved in the first place
It's just that we've now started to notice that we never did
There are analog cars out there but humans prefer laziness. Save the manual.
@@THEANIMALGUY no, cars are better in the late 80s to early 2000s in many, many ways.
It’s the slide to us all being the humans in Wall-e.
Jesus you whining babies are pitiful.
If I had the money for one of those, I'm not sure that I wouldn't get the Elantra N instead for most of the reasons mentioned in this video.
For slightly more than the down-payment on the M3, you could buy an Elantra N in cash.
Or you could get a decent condition 993 911, a good condition 996, an excellent condition 997, blah blah. The problem for me is that the older cars look better, and it’s not like I’ll ever be able to use the performance envelope any of them offer. $100k could be 2 GR 86’s with one getting converted to a safari car. And money left over.
Idk. It’s hard to be motivated for a new car (Elantra N) when that same money gets me into a properly sized 911 with hydraulic steering, or a Cayman in decent condition.
You could buy TWO Elantra Ns for the price of this and have enough money to rent some track days and have you and a friend race them.
Yeah but do you want to maintain that car that has aged out? That's what stopped be from buying a boxster, the Elantra N despite having EPS has better steering"feel" than tons of cars thanks to the IDA (pricier or cheaper). N Mode is a hoot and Normal Mode drives compliantly, at 30+ MPG Highway. @@JoshuaKoerner
@@MK3504 yes, actually. :) There’s so little in at least my life that feels like if I pour into it I receive something immediately back. It’s like a dopamine treadmill, but I keep getting a better and better car out of it. Not faster or more power, but more reliable and door-opening for adventures. Most investments in life take a lot longer to return a useable yield, than doing maintenance on an old car. In my opinion.
please review the new model 3 performance, interested in if they've improved the brakes/dampers to a point where it's a serious competitor to the m3
Sounds like everything that was said about the GTR in the past except more refined. I appreciate a car that can do it all and haul a family if desired.
The "B" word right there at 2:07. Jack knows it's S58 but his love for the B58 is something else.
I like the blue interior so nice 👍 it reminds me of my mk1 Audi tt blue leather interior in that car . The m3 is such a cool car 😊
Plus no worrying about dye transfer from your jeans
Hey Mark, Jack. During your vid, I keep on thinking about how you had drawn parallel between Air and E39 M5. Let's say you're EV and ICE agnostic, how would you rate this M3 vs. Lucid Air Pure? What does this M3 do that helps it stand above and apart from the Air Pure?
That shifting sound is crazy. Almost to the point where I wonder if it was engineered to sound like that.
It is, 100%, engineered to sound like that.
At 6:21, Mark exclaims, “Jarred my prostate loose.” I have a Lexus ES350. It gently massages my prostate for $50,000 less. What’s not to like? 🤣😂😝
Gross
The thing with price is that, nothing is priced like it should be. The “entry level” or slightly above sports cars designed for younger audiences are 50k (400z, Supra, etc) none of the prices make sense anymore.
11:15 perfectly summarizes why I bought this car. Compromised as it is, I get to smile a little even on my morning commute.
Speaking of farm to table, when are you guys reviewing an f pace SVR? Seems right down the barrel for your preferences and would be awesome to get your opinion on a very underrated super suv
Those SNIFFERS will never not look awful.
I still would always prefer an Alfa Romeo Giulia Q above this M3. I don't need a driving telephone.
A shame how far down in the comments before anyone mentions the Giulia Quadrifoglio! And they depreciate harder so more obtainable anyways.
@@rhiiinethey have depreciated so much for a reason!
@@gt1r Expensive 4yr serpentine belt service and a rushed launch led to a bad C&D press car in 2017. People are ultimately lazy and follow the herd.
My 2020 m340 drive has been by far the best car I’ve owned. I love it.
Going to go out on a limb here but I would imagine the majority of people buying these aren’t tracking them nor do they really care about the drive feel that Jack and Mark care about.
jesus christ what an epiphany, next you should tell us something obvious about the discretionary income of potential buyers dummy
I feel like a bmw m3 owner's idea of "reliable" vs a lexus GSF owners idea of "reliable" are completely different lol 🤔🤔
Feel with these it depends. Many people thrash these modded or not and these haven't propped up with any serious issues so to speak. At best, even modded ones are heavily tortured and take the abuse especially from those throwing power at it. I'd say they're pretty reliable,especially adding on the ones that are being thrashed in the racing world.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976nowadays the question isn't when they're new, though, it's how well they're holding up 3, 4, 5 years in. To your credit, I haven't heard anything crazy with the current M cars yet, but they're also just barely cresting lease-turn-in age, so we'll see what crops up the next couple years. The Lexuses he's mentioning, however, have proven stout with over 150k miles on the clock...I don't think you'll ever see a BMW M car match that to the same degree.
B58 enters the chat
@@AnontheGOAT just by rules of complication, they'll never be equally reliable - add turbo and related components, add failure points. B58 is great, but you can't escape the extra hard parts.
@@aprtur bet you wouldn’t say that if we were talking about about a turbo’d 2JZ. With that being said, I’m not comparing an N/A to a forced induction engine. Either way, B58 is bulletproof and will go down as one of the best BMW engines ever.
I love BMW's not going to lie I do not love the dash but Caddy CT5 V blacking is $100,000 grand what do you think of that car ? I'm looking for a new car/suv by the end of the year, maybe X3M comp
BTW great reviews guys