Man I hope Geese get over this 700k hump- they've been grinding at it for a while and deserve well over 1m subs with this production value, detail, and humor.
I have a '23 Cayenne E-Hybrid and a '24 M3. The Cayenne is our second, and when we purchased, we compared to the X5 45e. The 45e suspension was a mess, particularly compared to the Cayenne. Also, the hybrid range and EV only power level of the Cayenne was higher. Fast forward to now, and they have both been refreshed. The Cayenne has gotten cheaper inside (there is evidence of cost cutting apparent if you look at the two cars back to back you can easily spot) while at the same time getting more expensive. And the BMW's electric performance has gone up, both in range and in terms of electric power. The PHEV component for us was important as 80% of our use is local around town driving; in the 14k miles we've put on the car, over 10k have been with the ICE switched off, which is fantastic. I will say that having driven an X5 for over 1,200 KM all over Southern Germany last summer, in addition to the 5k miles on my M3 I'm not sure that I'd make the same choice again. Yes, the Cayenne virtues are there but the way I'd spec them, you're talking over $35k difference now in as-tested prices, apples to apples. And with the cayenne getting cheaper inside and the BMW's electric performance continuing to remain strong, plus the larger cargo capacity, the much better tech and the lower operating cost.....I can't make much of a case for the base Cayenne. And the PHEV struggles to justify it's price. I think you guys nailed the pros and cons to a tee in this video. In the end it comes down to what you want. Both are excellent vehicles and the Porsche handling really is fantastic for what it is. But is that worth smaller interior, worse tech, a worse base engine, worse transmission tuning, higher initial cost and higher running costs (MPG plus service)? I don't know. I'm like Jack, a Porsche homer but lover of both brands. My take is if you can get used to the iDrive 8.5 screen (it doesn't bother me) the X5 is the winner 9/10 times. Nice video.
Came here for the X5 and stayed for the B58! Absolute gem of an engine bar none today. As an owner of X545e and getting 45 mpg real world after about 23K miles till now, it has been an absolute blast. The Porsche plug-in was 35K more which is insane when my X5 was already close to 85K. This 24 Cayenne at 98K is not even a PHEV and getting 20mpg just sucks.
@@rahulmandala4930 Even if the powertrain lasts, the engine compartment is full of plastic that cracks in the heat and needs to be replaced every three years. Sensors are also constantly breaking or giving false alerts. Overengineered toys for millionaires.
People who afford them buy them. At the same time, they depreciate like crazy. Sure expenses are high, but ok, how much exactly are they? I watched a video of a previous entry level X5 previous gen cover at least 600 miles on a full tank, which actually, is quite efficient. Electronics do wear off, but this rule applies to all modern cars. I believe that pure ignorance and rumours drives people thinking that such cars are money pits, but in reality, they are as much of a money pit as every other brand, considering the largest ones by volume.
@@rahulmandala4930 I had an X5 off lease with a CPO. In the 6 months I owned the 3 year old 45k mile car, the HVAC blower went out, the rear differential blew out, and the sensor went bad in the transfer case. I didn’t pay for anything with the CPO, but got rid of it before that CPO ran out. Mine had a B58, which with the ZF was a great drivetrain. It was the rest of the car that was an issue. Also lack a some basic stuff like an adaptive cruise is just stupid this day when a $25k Corolla from the same year has it standard. The X5 had a $75k MSRP when it was new.
@rahulmandala4930 unreliability is not all about the engine or the transmission. German cars have a really complex electronic system and the cost to fix them is quite expensive. Also, they are not really thoughtful when designing the engine to make it easy to service which explains the high cost. Finally, the depreciation is worst because the demand for German cars out of warranty is low compare to other brands. So, leasing is the best option
The B58 is intoxicating. I have not driven it in the X5 just long term courtesy cars, M440i Coupes, Convertibles, and Sedans. It’s Smooth, music to your ears, the turbo spool up noise/chirp is like nothing I’ve ever heard. Glorious is right.
I replaced my ‘20 Macan GTS for a 2025 BMW X40i M Sport in Brooklyn Grey (same as tested here I think). I couldn’t be more happier. Test drove the Cayenne but the X5 with the glorious B58 engine and whole package was the winner.
Me too! Came to same conclusion and bought same color as yours. Wanted Cayenne but found the X5 to be the better package, along with 3 Years free maintenance, 2.9% APR, stitching on dash and doors, overall exterior look, and big one was the split tail gate feature on X5.
I love my 2024 X5…I had a Jaguar f pace, but decided to order the new x5 with new interior last April. I prefer the m sport package and have it all blacked out with the 22 inch black wheels…it really adds a lot to the look of it in my opinion. I really love it…also like the X6. I may get that next!
@@conservativegirl3371 I was torn between the X5 and X6 but finally decided for the X5. I needed that extra trunk space. Really pleased with my decision.
LOL, RIGHT?! I endure that same (minor) annoyance in my Honda CR-V. I have to admit, I lay a black microfiber rag across its console/phone area, to avoid that. I keep such a rag in my car anyway, to wipe down dust particles or clean the window/windshield/mirrors on the fly, so with the piano black, I just store the rag over that piece. 🤭
How such an incredible channel doesn’t have 5m+ subs is truly baffling. The production, content, and cohesion are top 3 on TH-cam for car content. Great work, guys.
This particular Cayenne rides way better than the BMW is because its on 20 inch wheels vs the stupid 22 inch on the BWM. I recently test drove a cayenne on 21 inch and also a X5 on 21 inch and the ride is pretty comparable. HOWEVER, I noticed way more road noise in the X5 than the Cayenne so you are on point about the isolation of the Cayenne being superior.
My only problem with the Cayenne, since its inception, is just how blah the lower specs look, even though they are quite capable, nice vehicles. Oh yeah, and the price.
@@dougrobinson8602 eye of the beholder, I guess. Like I said, lower spec Cayennes look like rental vehicles to me, but one of my friends Cayenne GTS looks pretty sharp. I think the X5 probably has a bit more “presence” than the Porsche’s, but, yeah, not particularly good looking.
Probably the number 1 video I've seen. You get how much these boys know about vehicular engineering. The way they have sophisticatedly balanced the pros and cons between two giants. In conjunction as well with promoting what actually matters the most, or at least for those who interpret what it takes to produce a well engineered work, and that it how it feels behind the wheel. I loved the music and the clip synergy. A Game Changer, channel.
We have owned 4 BMW X5, including the 2020 & 2021 we have now. The most expensive one we purchased cost us $76,000. All have been very reliable. The 2020 X5 X-Drive is my daily driver and I am averaging 24MPG in my B58 Turbo 6. The X-Drive X5 are awesome in the snow & ice with good tires. 😎🇺🇸🇮🇱👍
To correct something Mark said, you can actually get 2-axle air suspension on the X5. It’s a $1k option on the 40i trims and is standard on the 50e. The X5 is so good that it’s hard to justify spending 20-25% more on the Cayenne even though it is 5-10% better dynamically.
Looks like the American market misses out on a ton of stuff. Here in Europe, you can get full Merino leather including on the dashboard and the lower compartments. You can full air suspension or BMW m Adjustable springs with anti roll stabilization. You can also get 4 wheel steering. Over here, you can make a X5 as luxurious as a X7 except for the metal finish on the window buttons; that is plastic.
@@DBrealmadrid9606 Same story with the 2016-2020 audi Q7 3.0 TFSI. You could get the audi with ceramic brakes, rear wheel steering, active differential, a lot of stuff that put the vehicle close to the cayenne dynamics. In US you couldn't get the Q7 with many of those but you get standard 7 seats and sunroof, that make an eas+100/150 lbs of weight.
@@mortensenvick5711I have yet to see a Cayenne off-road except for the 8-18 year old ones w modifications that people buy to beat them up without shedding tears. And I believe the old ones had excellent locking diffs front and rear.
Great review! I cross-shopped these two early last year when it was time to replace my wife's X3. Disclaimer: I'm also a P-car fanboy. I loved the way the Cayenne drove, and loved the legroom in the backseat. But there wasn't a $12K difference in price, as stated in this review - it was more like $17K when compared to a moderately equipped Cayenne, and a whopping $22K difference when checking off all the Porsche options to make it nearly identical from a feature perspective to a well-equipped X5. This made the decision a relatively easy one - a BMW X5 4.0i is sitting in the driveway with nearly 20K miles on it. Zero regrets! One feature that the Cayenne didn't have: remote start (not sure if this has been address by the Cayenne refresh). Since I make my wife park her car outside so that my P-car gets the comfy garage spot, this simple feature is one that we both agree is a huge advantage to the BMW. Love the reviews - keep them coming!!
The reliability issue with many of these cars arises when, after the lease ends, they are purchased by someone who couldn't afford them new, taking advantage of the depreciation. However, what many buyers overlook is that maintenance costs don't depreciate. Whether you buy the car new or used, the cost of servicing remains the same. Additionally, these vehicles still require replacement parts that wear out over time. So, even if you bought the car for $50,000 instead of its original $100,000 price tag, you'll still face maintenance costs as if it were a $100,000 car. So it’s less a matter of reliability and more a matter of people not knowing what they are getting themselves into, leaving the cars bad maintened which leads to even worse problems.
The reason you get very noisy in the x5 is because of two reasons, 1. X5 you got has 22 inch rims with only 30 ratio in the back, It is the same dimension as Bentley conti gt, so it doesn’t cancel a lot of road imperfections. 2. The OEM tires for the rims are conti premium contact 6 the well know tire for crazy road noise! It is insane! I replaced my with p zero as with noise cancel foam, and the car drives like butter now
Free maintenance on the BMW for 3 years. Lease it for that duration. Maintenance on the Porsche would scare me away from it. Wish the X5 had more leg room in the second row and I’d be ok with less cargo space. The leg room in the X3 is very similar. Both are extremely nice. Would take either over a MB GLE with its 2.0 liter 4. No question.
Thanks for this competitive comparison with joyful jabs at each other. Yeah, people with 6 figure salaries and sperry shoe shaped feet buy these brand new but the common folk who wear crocs while shopping at Costco wait 5 years to buy these for a manageable $38K. 2020 X5 for the win!😎
The Cayenne is for refined gentlemen. The X5 is for sporty hooligans (the good kind). Unfortunately from where i'm from, the sporty nature doesn't make that much sense considering the speed limits and the roads in general. The B58 is a really good engine. The exact amount of power you will ever need. But the Cayenne, the new PASM suspension just blows the X5's suspension out of the water, not even a challenge. Both are great cars for different people. Great video!
I bought the 2024 BMW x5 couple of months ago. It is my wife's main car but I drive it on the weekend when we go out together with the little one. Actually, this was the exact two car my wife and I were deciding before we landed on the X5. The main thing came down to price, the Porsche, at the highest build was about $30K CAD more than the X5. I test drove the Cayenne, it felt like driving a truck, which the X5 also did but not as much. Cayenne was more comfortable and you were spot on with regards to the stableness of the suspension especially on bumpier roads, and spot on with regards to comfort when driving long road trips. Within the 1st month of ownership I drove the X5 600KMs (there and back) and honestly it was not the most comfortable experience I've had. Regardless, it's a great daily family car and my wife loves it. It's also great for child seats in the back and the price for us was pretty good. The B58 is a beast and actually has about 375HP. In Sport / Sport + it feels like you are driving a X3 M40i or M340i, the thing is a beast. Overall pretty good all around car for a decent change, and the truck space is insane, I can fit a full size stroller + 8 bags of groceries with very little issue or nuance.
Just traded in my 2022 BMW 540 for the Cayenne Base last month with sport exhaust (CPO former sales rep car) and couldn't be happier. Had a Macan S a while back that I loved before I swapped for the BMW 540 and immediately regretted that decision (that face you make when your dealer drives away in your Porsche). BMW was great and agree the B58 was smooth. So smooth and strong. I had lots of issues with the auto start stop in the BMW, not so in the porsche, it feels more integrated and smoother in the 2024 Cayenne. The only way to turn off the auto start stop is puttin git into sport mode. I test drive both the 2024 Cayenne and 2024 BMW X5. The Cayanne won out. My wife drives a Macan base now and we don't have kids. We love and value the way both Porsches drive and are willing to pay a little more for that. So it does really comeo down to what you value and feel comfortable in. Enjoy! and great job once again Jack and Mark!
Have to agree with you here. I cross shopped BMW X3 and X5 in 6cyl variants late last year, and the Macan S won out in leaps and bounds. I did look at the Cayenne, but like the X5, it was just too big for my needs, and the Macan's twin turbo V6 mated to the PDK felt much more 'Porsche' than the single turbo non-PDK Cayenne. Zero regrets particularly given I may have picked up one of the last ICE Macans available here in Australia. It's a keeper for sure :)
Do not buy a Cayenne. It may lead you down a dark and expensive road. I bought a Macan in December of 2014. I’m now expecting my eighth Porsche product in a few months. I’ve owned BMWs in the past and had no problem not becoming addicted to that brand.
We are on our 6th New BMW, including 4 BMW X5 X-Drive B58. Great in the Snow & Ice and we finally found cars we love after time after time. It only took us 60 New Cars to get there. Do not buy the RWD BMW unless you do not see snow & ice….. or put the BMW away and drive your Ford or Chevy 4X4 Truck. :) 😎🇺🇸🇮🇱👍
This channel continues to deliver best in the biz car reviews. From review of the stereo (something almost no one does even though this is surely important to people?) to NVH, suspension comfort, dynamism, to actual evaluation of hardware the Le Shoppe. Like wow. I can genuinely say I’d wait to see what y’all have to say about a car before I made a purchase. Mandatory viewing.
We had a Cayenne Turbo S, traded down for an X5 M50i (no X5M could be found at the time), and now we're back to a Cayenne Turbo (the Turbo S is no longer offered 😭). We regretted trading for the M50i from day one. If you're a person who likes driving "excitement" (as much as can be had in an SUV), the Cayenne is a much better vehicle than the X5. That said, shopping in the price range of the vehicles in this video, you'd have to be either insane or a huge Porsche fanboy to buy an entry-level Cayenne. The quality of materials is nowhere near up to snuff for what you're paying for it. For that price, the X5 is a much, MUCH better buy.
I love my 2022 bmw X5 40i with assisted driving, advance seats control. The B58 with that ZF transmission 🤯🫠🥰 simply said the ultimate driving machine, i don’t have the offset tires and i have idrive version 7 with all the hvac buttons, thank god. The X5 is really a software based car, you need to watch videos on how to appreciate all the options, i never had to do that at this level with any other cars before, this beast is advanced. The power, the tech, the luxuries are my top 3 likes. I did get an extended warranty with maintenance package, quite pricey but i didnt want to deal with expensive suprises as i’m certain it can get very pricey quickly. Fortunately i do not have air suspension, never had and never want to
Not so much in the U.S.- at least not in my area. Been looking to purchase a 3 year-old X5 and prices have not fallen in a whole year. The huge depreciation is with the full-size luxury sedans like S-class.
I drove a 2024 base Cayenne with standard spring springs, it was the worst riding SUV I every test drove causing too much side-to-side motion even when making slow turns (causing motion sickness for both driver and passenger) and the brakes were super grabby. The car felt too unsettled over broken roads and the steering felt twichy on highways. Then, I drove a Cayenne coupe with the new two-valve air spring. Night and day difference like they were two completely different vehicles, the air springs is a MUST.
FYI Jack keeps referring to Android Auto as “Android Automotive”. Those are different things. The former is an interface that connects to the phone like CarPlay. Almost all cars have it. The latter is a replacement for the cars operating system itself. Now being used in Chevys and Volvos.
And Polestars. I enjoyed testing Android Automotive OS in a Polestar 2 I rented from Hertz for a couple weeks. So seamless for those of us who have much of our lives saved in a Google account (things like my saved places in Google Maps). Hardly had to use my phone other than for calls. I hope more automakers adopt it.
Came here for the X5 and stayed for the B58! Absolute gem of an engine bar none today. As an owner of X545e and getting 45 mpg real world after about 23K miles till now, it has been an absolute blast. The Porsche plug-in was 35K more which is insane when my X5 was already close to 85K. This 24 Cayenne at 98K is not even a PHEV and getting 20mpg just sucks.
Million of buttons and electronic connections across the fleet are now no longer needed and they have to order less of those items for their production lines is my guess.
@@Khaled.3yIf I’m treated like a peasant that can’t be given 5-10 hotkeys so I don’t have to lean over to the screen and take my eyes off the road every time I want to change the temperature because they’re trying to save 25$ on a 100k car, they’re not getting my business
Thank you for this excellent comparison. In a medium that is awash with automotive video noise, you guys are like smooth FM radio. Yours are among the best subjective (non-instrument testing) reviews. FYI, my other faves are two EVO Magazine veterans, Henry Catchpole (now at Hagerty’s) and Harry Metcalf of “Harry’s Garage”. MOTOMAN and CARWOW are pretty good too, but often not nearly as pleasant and enjoyable as your videos and your ability to clearly explain technical stuff and why that matters. Much thanks!
It's funny that if BMW hadn't f-ed up the interior in the LCI with their new "glued-on afterthought" dash design aesthetic and "buttons are hard" mentality, the X5's interior would be clearly superior. Pure self-inflicted wounds.
@@curiousss4960 Indeed; I think the pre-LCI interior wins that comparison hands-down. It's a shame BMW mutilated it with the LCI, and that customers cannot get the other LCI enhancements without the garbage interior changes.
@@Nick-jq5nl It looks better in real life. Much bigger and clearer than the old small screen. Plus the most important thing, the tech and power is better...
Yep the 2023 Model was the one to get. 2023 also came with the upgraded Sensafin seats (available in silverstone even) to replace the Sensatec and Vernasca leather options (if you didn't get the merino leather).
@@pete23234 Power is somewhat better, but tech improvement is questionable; slightly better features, but BMW isn't doing much to address the many bugs and issues in their tech stack, particularly iDrive issues and many known assist system failures. Just a bigger screen is not super compelling, at least to me, especially with such an awful design aesthetic and many usability bugs. I view the LCI as a side-grade at best, and that seems generous.
We custom ordered a 2025 X5 40i, almost fully spec'd with M-sport packages. Was offered 9% off MSRP and another 1K rebate with my CCA membership. It was such an incredible deal with an incredible vehicle. Now I'm sitting here tracking it like a pizza order 😆
I liked driving the Cayenne better, but you need at least the S model in order to match the base X5. Ultimately it wasn't worth the extra cash they were asking for it. Plus the X5 has god's engine, a B58
@@GooseVan Steering is not really relevant in large luxury SUV's you aren't going to be taking hair pin turns in a large SUV anyways...Tech and engine is and the Cayenne is significantly behind BMW...People buy these for comfort and long stress free highway drives...And i do mine hands free in my X50e on cloud like rolls royce air suspension
An X5 with a few thousand in options is a much better value than a decently-equipped Cayenne. And they even lease reasonably well. Worse than the sedans, but far better than any Porsche which all lease horribly.
My wife and I have a Macan base and an X3 30e. Agree that the suspension and steering are better in the Macan. The X3 has a better drivetrain and more room though not quite the same material quality. I recently drove an X5. It really didn't feel much bigger than the X3 as far as passenger space and did not feel anymore premium as far as ride and quietness.
Owner of an X7 4.0 and the B58 just wins in every configuration (in combo with the ubiquitous ZF) I can’t wait to get into the smaller x5. Great video big car guy and loved the detail on the engineering vs the other videos out there. Music was a bit of a miss but I can forgive it for that B58
We're most like going to be buying a Cayenne to replace our aging '17 Touareg, which has been a very good vehicle and has the refinement that is still relevant and I think is actually better isolated than the current X5 shockingly. I like knowing what to expect which isn't much in the long haul as we haven't had any repair on the Touareg after 80k miles compared to some BMW and MBZ models nowadays. There are a shocking amount of both of these SUV's in my area which should say something on how good they both are. The BMW is a good choice but like you all say it comes down to preference and which is better at isolation which is what we want. My biggest grip with German SUV's is staggered tires, these suv's weigh a lot and can blow through tire very easy and 315 section tires aren't cheap to be throwing some on every year or two.
BMW is number 8 in reliability for the last 7 years… I’ve owned my BMWs for years and have no issues. You’re working odd off of outdated information when you could just google… but sure go off
@@LafemmebearMusic I’m not worried about cost of things just stating I don’t like it. Believe me the Touareg isn’t exactly an economy car on cost with $1600 tires and $2200 brakes every 40-50k miles. Oil leaks and coolant leaks are still prevalent on a bmw my neighborhood is filled with them and I’m a friendly neighbor so get the filled in even under warranty.
Can’t agree more with you guys. Cayenne is perfect second SUV for the family under the conditions that you already have a bigger SUV for the Costco hauler or full family plus dog for road trip. Cayenne is more suitable for short trip with not much luggage. My wife got the new V8 Cayenne S because we already have a X7, Cayenne is much quicker and easy to drive. Most of the time Cayenne only carries her and our two kids. It drives amazing but just too small for all family plus our two New Foundlander. If you don’t need the space and money is not an issue, go with Cayenne, you won’t be disappointed. Thanks Mark and Jack, amazing video as always.
Yeah, it's between McHenry and Huntley Illinois. The busy road they turn onto is Route 47. Then they immediately turn West. It's a beautiful area in the Summer. Not so much in the Winter.
@@nafnaf0 agreed, I would get a fully loaded X5 40i M Sport for right around $90k, there is no benefit to the M60i other than more power (the 40i makes great power as-is imo)
Great breakdown and dissection of theses two, just like to add the X5 is superior in weight balance being near 50/50 vs the cayenne, and thanks so much for our inclusion into the video Mark and Jack!
One thing to correct for the US market - the 40i model X5's do come with air suspension. It's a $1,000 and can be equipped with the standard non M-sport vehicles. The X5 does not have rear only air suspension - it is 2 axle and gives the car 7 series levels of comfort.
I switch my X5M50i with regular suspension to X5M60i with rear steering and air suspension. Oh man... What a difference in the ride quality and comfort. Like night and day. Plus, the turning radius became much better. Btw, my X5M60i costs 109k. The same Cayene (which I considered to buy with very similar configuration) was 128k. Not sure that Cayene can beat the x5 with air suspension
@@andreynelepov1575 That is a beautiful car and so much car for the money! Enjoy it in good health! I agree, the air suspension might have made all the difference for this comparison.
@@andreynelepov1575 Yep. I have the X50e. The air suspension is a must have. It's weird so many people don't get it. It's not even an expensive option, although mine came with the car for free. It's like floating on a cloud lol
It's amazing how right you guys are in everything you mention: ride quality, body roll, drivetrain, etc, etc.....everything! I have a 2022 X5 40i with air suspension and have driven the Cayenne many times, and, in my view, 100% of your review of both vehicles is spot on. Great work guys. One note....your voices were a little distorted in this video. But that's nothing compared to the quality of your work in total. Keep it up!
@@williamkinn5959I’m bias. I do agree with you. I have owned both Porsche and BMW. 8 BMWs for 15 years and now I own a Porsche Taycan and I love BMW to death - I really mean that. Styling is sexy and the drive is satisfying and exhilarating- definitely the ultimate driving machine - but Porsche is Porsche for a reason. It’s really that simple. For me, I came from driving a BMW 2022 M4 Competition and as much as that car is HEAVENLY- I have converted to Porsche and prefer them. I get more heads turning in my Porsche over my BMW ❤
This is a big reason why I'm leaning towards the X5 over the Cayenne. Porsche puts a lot into the suspension and drive train, but everything else seems outdated. As a daily driver, I'm looking for a more well-rounded package.
Funny enought i was making this exact decision last November and pretty much agree with everything they said. Driving the porsche was incredible for a vehicle its size. Everyone is going to make the decision that is best for them, but for me I just could not justifiy the depreciation of the porshe. Both great cars, good luck out there everyone.
You guys are the best at making _car_ videos. Been watching for years and had a few beers and all you've done is bring me cheer to keep shifting my gear. Keep it up 👍
Great review . Just wondering did the massive wheels on the X5 must have quite a detrimental affect on the NVH ? Most reviewers and owners I see say to go with the 20's as the ride is way more compliant. Just wondering how much it would have made a difference in this head to head. Keep up the awesome work fella's..
You both did a great job in presenting both SUV's. I enjoyed watching, from beginning to end. I've begun doing my homework on both the Macan GTS & Cayenne GTS. I always liked BMW, based on my own personal research; everything their currently offering in the M series is hybrid. Same holds true with what I've read about MB's AMG series. Both companies seem to want to force your hand in purchasing a SUV with a hybrid drive train. Porsche gives you the option; that I like!
The pre LCI model (with iDrive 7) which still had physical buttons, would have scored better than the version (iDrive 8), which you tested. The P car just doesn't give the buyer enough to show the $13-17 grand higher price for a similarly equipped vehicle. Excellent review, by the way.
WOW!!! EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT REVIEW! I love my BMW X5... and was wanting to get a newer model... and was thinking about possibly the Cayenne. I love both of your HONEST breakdown pro's and con's of both vehicles. Thanks so much for doing this review.
For their comment regarding the Cayenne riding more smooth vs the X5 - this particular X5 has the optional 22'' wheels which will make the ride more rough by comparison. The Cayenne looks like it has base 19's or 20's with more rubber, therefore, yes, it will ride smoother.
The B58 motor I had in my 2020 X6 still takes the cake as the best performing, smoothest powertrain of any vehicle I’ve ever owned! I am a proud Defender owner now and even though I prefer German engineering specifically in relation to their powertrains, the size, ride height, pedigree and less popularity of Rover products has completely locked me with the Brand! To date, the full Size Range Rover is the most luxurious and glorious SUV I’ve ever driven!
Awesome video guys, greetings from in Malaysia, we have both the BMW X5 and Porsche Cayenne built in Malaysia, and in our market, the only available model is the X5 45e phev msport which is the b58 turbo PHEV and the available cayenne is the base 3 litre turbo.....but the price difference between both SUVs are about MYR 200k....cause BMW SUV gets a big tax break, due to it being a locally made energy efficient PHEV.....good video guys...keep it coming
Both vehicles are great, but I prefer the Cayenne. I don’t care nearly as much about the tech and engine as I do about stability and solidity. I also think the Porsche is a more timeless design inside and out. My mother actually cross shopped the base Cayenne and a fully loaded Telluride (probably the only person to ever do that) and when she chose the Telluride it made me sad (the Telluride is great, but see earlier comments on timeless styling and solidity of the Porsche vs anything else).
Just bought a X5 50e M sport package fully specced Manhattan green with coffee interior. It's going to be delivered in September! I can't wait :) Used to have a pre-lci 30d and a tesla model Y. I think the upgrade will be phenomenal
It feels like Porsche is a gigantic vehicle dynamics department outside of when they produce a new car. I say this as a Porsche enthusiast. Evolution, not revolution. It feels like the changes they make to generations and .2’s and whatever are in service of that evolution.
I'd humbly say that it's the better call compared to BMW's radical "let's throw everything out the window that made us vaunted" terms of aesthetic sense. Porsches age gracefully too!
I love how much detail you guys put into the driving experiences of each car. That's what originally got me into Savagegeese videos - well, that, and the nice editing. It is interesting that the BMW manages to provide a much more refined ZF transmission calibration at a lower price, yet the Cayenne is the more smooth and quiet vehicle. In some ways, that's the reverse of what I would have expected.
Honestly as a BMW owner, their new interface and software is very easy to use. Adjusting the AC takes an extra millisecond….wow the world is gonna end!!!
I'd go with the refreshed Genesis GV80. These are all 5000lbs SUVs so I would not mind sacrificing a bit of handling and driving dynamics for the increased cargo space and legroom. Both the Cayenne and X5 have more cramped rear seats and less cargo space than a CRV or Santa Fe last gen. GV80 seems to do the family and cargo stuff better. I also prefer its design inside and out. Turns more heads than any base X5 or Cayenne ever will and for a good reason. Lastly reliability and maintenance will certainly be less expensive considering Genesis has had an amazing track record by avoiding all the plagueing Hyundai/KIA engines/trans stuff. Main thing I'd miss out on is the B58 efficiency and power with the ZF8. Aside from that i wouldnt ve missing out on much. Honestly I find Genesis interiors to be more premium. If you dont pay for the optional leather packages, the Porsche and BMW have more plastics and stuff instead of stitched leather on the dash, door panels, etc over the Genesis.
You aren’t the customer for these vehicles. The gv80 is a wonder vehicle definitely not meant for what these are doing tho. Love the interiors on the genesis vehicles. But my mountain roads above Napa begged for a bmw so 😊
@@LafemmebearMusic I understand but my point is it's a 5000lbs. I'd rather get a sedan/sportback like a M440i, S5 Sportback, Stinger, or Panamera if I cared about mountains and twisty roads. Obviously smaller but still practical and handle/drive WAY better. Or even just a Macan. A lot lighter and one of the best driving crossovers to this still day.
@@wally6193 I was trying to say Genesis never used the problematic DCTs from Hyundai or those theta 2 engines which had fire risks. They mostly used bespoke engines like the older 4.6l and 5.0l V8, 3.8l V6, and now the 3.5TT engine. All in all Genesis had had a great reliability record so far. Probably on par with Acura/Infiniti but worse than Lexus Technically the old 4.6 and 5.0 V8s and even the new 3.5TT engine w
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I don't mind the looks(inside and out) but wasn't so sure about reliability because of the parts use from the parent company cars. But maybe they're okay, but really haven't heard too much on their reliability, so maybe that's a good thing.
Was wondering which one to get between these 2, and this one line sold me the Porsche: "...if you value ride refinement, isolation, body control and nimbleness over everything else, this is better than the X5..." Yep, Porsche it is. Man, i love this channel.
It would have been interesting to throw a CX70 with the turbo six in to the comparison. No one asked for it, but it'd make for an interesting conversation.
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That cannot compete with the luxury aspect of the other two cars.
@@MikeForsythe I have and I love it, and yes it’s luxurious. But it’ll never have the same luxury brand name recognition as BMW, Mercedes or Lexus. And some people are willing to pay for that and don’t care about how much value they could have gotten with a CX70.
If you get the Cayenne, you're 9 Porsches away from a GT allocation.
You're right! Gotta think about long term investments. I'm gonna call up my local dealer and place an order. Thinking about the S tbh
You've also got a taller, wider, heavier, less-aerodynamic, less-spacious Panamera!
I got my GT Early. My wife's boyfriend works there.
Cayenne front and rear seats are far more spacious than Panamera, even an Executive I would say. I used to sell Porsches
Ah yes. The men’s version of the Hermes Birkin purse
When Jack speaks of his “Family Car” I just imagine an E39 wagon with the rear seats ripped out and two B58’s lovingly strapped down
He would 100% daily drive that
In shiny silver color with black accents and banana yellow brake calipers.
@@AngryWalter ofc, he’d straight pipe it too
If by "strapped down" you mean with custom integrated motor mounts and dedicated cooling and oiling, then yes they are strapped in 👌🏼
@@AngryWalter silverback jack 🦍
Came for the B58, was not disappointed
also Jack came for the B58. Probably more than once
@@KhanJoltrane😂
@@KhanJoltrane ayoooooooo!
@@infinotize BEEEEEEEEE 58.
The B58 is more than an engine; it is an ode to the pursuit of perfection.
Well Done.
Man I hope Geese get over this 700k hump- they've been grinding at it for a while and deserve well over 1m subs with this production value, detail, and humor.
For that they need to sell their soul to manufacturers.
I'm fairly certain it's because they don't stop and ask people to subscribe. Call outs work.
Damn. I’m not even subbed and i watch most of their stuff 😬
They need to sell their soul to manufacturers for that.
@@leospaceman2976you’re an asshole then.
Finally Jack bringing his relationship with the B58 into the next level.
Because Jack be nimble, Goose be quick
I have a '23 Cayenne E-Hybrid and a '24 M3. The Cayenne is our second, and when we purchased, we compared to the X5 45e. The 45e suspension was a mess, particularly compared to the Cayenne. Also, the hybrid range and EV only power level of the Cayenne was higher. Fast forward to now, and they have both been refreshed. The Cayenne has gotten cheaper inside (there is evidence of cost cutting apparent if you look at the two cars back to back you can easily spot) while at the same time getting more expensive. And the BMW's electric performance has gone up, both in range and in terms of electric power. The PHEV component for us was important as 80% of our use is local around town driving; in the 14k miles we've put on the car, over 10k have been with the ICE switched off, which is fantastic.
I will say that having driven an X5 for over 1,200 KM all over Southern Germany last summer, in addition to the 5k miles on my M3 I'm not sure that I'd make the same choice again. Yes, the Cayenne virtues are there but the way I'd spec them, you're talking over $35k difference now in as-tested prices, apples to apples. And with the cayenne getting cheaper inside and the BMW's electric performance continuing to remain strong, plus the larger cargo capacity, the much better tech and the lower operating cost.....I can't make much of a case for the base Cayenne. And the PHEV struggles to justify it's price.
I think you guys nailed the pros and cons to a tee in this video. In the end it comes down to what you want. Both are excellent vehicles and the Porsche handling really is fantastic for what it is. But is that worth smaller interior, worse tech, a worse base engine, worse transmission tuning, higher initial cost and higher running costs (MPG plus service)? I don't know. I'm like Jack, a Porsche homer but lover of both brands. My take is if you can get used to the iDrive 8.5 screen (it doesn't bother me) the X5 is the winner 9/10 times.
Nice video.
Great mini-review, thanks.
So many words….gave up reading
@@billseiler4952takes 2 minutes to read a few paragraphs not that hard.
Came here for the X5 and stayed for the B58! Absolute gem of an engine bar none today. As an owner of X545e and getting 45 mpg real world after about 23K miles till now, it has been an absolute blast. The Porsche plug-in was 35K more which is insane when my X5 was already close to 85K. This 24 Cayenne at 98K is not even a PHEV and getting 20mpg just sucks.
@@dgdave2673 Plus imo the Porsche Cayenne just blends into the crowd. Pay all that money for a bland looking car imo
Ultimate leasing machines
Agree
@@rahulmandala4930 Even if the powertrain lasts, the engine compartment is full of plastic that cracks in the heat and needs to be replaced every three years. Sensors are also constantly breaking or giving false alerts. Overengineered toys for millionaires.
People who afford them buy them. At the same time, they depreciate like crazy. Sure expenses are high, but ok, how much exactly are they? I watched a video of a previous entry level X5 previous gen cover at least 600 miles on a full tank, which actually, is quite efficient. Electronics do wear off, but this rule applies to all modern cars. I believe that pure ignorance and rumours drives people thinking that such cars are money pits, but in reality, they are as much of a money pit as every other brand, considering the largest ones by volume.
@@rahulmandala4930 I had an X5 off lease with a CPO. In the 6 months I owned the 3 year old 45k mile car, the HVAC blower went out, the rear differential blew out, and the sensor went bad in the transfer case. I didn’t pay for anything with the CPO, but got rid of it before that CPO ran out. Mine had a B58, which with the ZF was a great drivetrain. It was the rest of the car that was an issue. Also lack a some basic stuff like an adaptive cruise is just stupid this day when a $25k Corolla from the same year has it standard. The X5 had a $75k MSRP when it was new.
@rahulmandala4930 unreliability is not all about the engine or the transmission. German cars have a really complex electronic system and the cost to fix them is quite expensive. Also, they are not really thoughtful when designing the engine to make it easy to service which explains the high cost. Finally, the depreciation is worst because the demand for German cars out of warranty is low compare to other brands. So, leasing is the best option
Rented an X5 40i from Sixt... so good. Perfect powertrain, 23-24 MPG combined without trying. I actually liked the infotainment too.
The B58 is intoxicating. I have not driven it in the X5 just long term courtesy cars, M440i Coupes, Convertibles, and Sedans. It’s Smooth, music to your ears, the turbo spool up noise/chirp is like nothing I’ve ever heard. Glorious is right.
I replaced my ‘20 Macan GTS for a 2025 BMW X40i M Sport in Brooklyn Grey (same as tested here I think). I couldn’t be more happier. Test drove the Cayenne but the X5 with the glorious B58 engine and whole package was the winner.
X5 has always been a better car then the Cayenne in my opinion. It will hopefully be my wife's next car
Me too! Came to same conclusion and bought same color as yours. Wanted Cayenne but found the X5 to be the better package, along with 3 Years free maintenance, 2.9% APR, stitching on dash and doors, overall exterior look, and big one was the split tail gate feature on X5.
I love my 2024 X5…I had a Jaguar f pace, but decided to order the new x5 with new interior last April. I prefer the m sport package and have it all blacked out with the 22 inch black wheels…it really adds a lot to the look of it in my opinion. I really love it…also like the X6. I may get that next!
@@conservativegirl3371 I was torn between the X5 and X6 but finally decided for the X5. I needed that extra trunk space. Really pleased with my decision.
@@Techjunkiero That’s exactly why I went with X5 as well!
3:23 I love getting blinded by piano black
LOL, RIGHT?! I endure that same (minor) annoyance in my Honda CR-V. I have to admit, I lay a black microfiber rag across its console/phone area, to avoid that. I keep such a rag in my car anyway, to wipe down dust particles or clean the window/windshield/mirrors on the fly, so with the piano black, I just store the rag over that piece. 🤭
I personally love the Audi SQ8, but I have a hard time pulling the trigger because the entire dash is piano black🤬🤬
@@GenericAccountVLR So many uses for a MF towel in the car. Also great for cleaning eyeglasses or sunglasses. I have at least two in every car.
I hate piano black so much. I only have cars that don't have it. If there's piano black in the interior, I'm not getting that car.
@@dougrobinson8602yeah. My parent's etron came with one because of the center screen and it's essential.
How such an incredible channel doesn’t have 5m+ subs is truly baffling. The production, content, and cohesion are top 3 on TH-cam for car content. Great work, guys.
Probably because they don’t (seem) to “play the game.” They stay true to their form and mission rather than appeasing the algorithm
This particular Cayenne rides way better than the BMW is because its on 20 inch wheels vs the stupid 22 inch on the BWM. I recently test drove a cayenne on 21 inch and also a X5 on 21 inch and the ride is pretty comparable. HOWEVER, I noticed way more road noise in the X5 than the Cayenne so you are on point about the isolation of the Cayenne being superior.
Thank you 👊🏼
Or run flats on the X5
My only problem with the Cayenne, since its inception, is just how blah the lower specs look, even though they are quite capable, nice vehicles. Oh yeah, and the price.
Cayennes have never been attractive vehicles to my taste. Of course, the X5's front end is an abomination. I guess you'd get used to it, but why?
@@dougrobinson8602 eye of the beholder, I guess. Like I said, lower spec Cayennes look like rental vehicles to me, but one of my friends Cayenne GTS looks pretty sharp. I think the X5 probably has a bit more “presence” than the Porsche’s, but, yeah, not particularly good looking.
Probably the number 1 video I've seen. You get how much these boys know about vehicular engineering. The way they have sophisticatedly balanced the pros and cons between two giants. In conjunction as well with promoting what actually matters the most, or at least for those who interpret what it takes to produce a well engineered work, and that it how it feels behind the wheel. I loved the music and the clip synergy. A Game Changer, channel.
4:32 "mean girls" by charlie xcx on the infotainment, jacks music taste is exquisite
Brat is a masterpiece
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What's the song at 10:50 and 14:45 and the one in the b58 section?
I was cross shopping these two but didn’t like the shape of the key so I kept my Kia Sorento.
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Porsche wouldn't take my Aztec as a trade. Also the croissants were stale in the service lounge. Hmphff
Yes, stick with Kia, it suits you better. 😆
@@MauriceBln1 I don’t know if it’s an insult or compliment but thanks, I guess?
Clearly a compliment 👊🏼
We have owned 4 BMW X5, including the 2020 & 2021 we have now. The most expensive one we purchased cost us $76,000. All have been very reliable. The 2020 X5 X-Drive is my daily driver and I am averaging 24MPG in my B58 Turbo 6. The X-Drive X5 are awesome in the snow & ice with good tires. 😎🇺🇸🇮🇱👍
The B58 motor is an absolute gem. The smoothness, power output and the sound are all great.
To correct something Mark said, you can actually get 2-axle air suspension on the X5. It’s a $1k option on the 40i trims and is standard on the 50e. The X5 is so good that it’s hard to justify spending 20-25% more on the Cayenne even though it is 5-10% better dynamically.
Looks like the American market misses out on a ton of stuff. Here in Europe, you can get full Merino leather including on the dashboard and the lower compartments. You can full air suspension or BMW m Adjustable springs with anti roll stabilization. You can also get 4 wheel steering. Over here, you can make a X5 as luxurious as a X7 except for the metal finish on the window buttons; that is plastic.
Right, 2 axle air suspension is now available for 2025 40i models.
Don't forget the cayenne is also better in off-road
@@DBrealmadrid9606 Same story with the 2016-2020 audi Q7 3.0 TFSI. You could get the audi with ceramic brakes, rear wheel steering, active differential, a lot of stuff that put the vehicle close to the cayenne dynamics. In US you couldn't get the Q7 with many of those but you get standard 7 seats and sunroof, that make an eas+100/150 lbs of weight.
@@mortensenvick5711I have yet to see a Cayenne off-road except for the 8-18 year old ones w modifications that people buy to beat them up without shedding tears. And I believe the old ones had excellent locking diffs front and rear.
Thank you for putting that b58 segment together, I thoroughly enjoyed it
I have had my X 5 for about 6 months. I get 23 mpg around town and on a trip to Reno, I got 28 mpg.
Great review! I cross-shopped these two early last year when it was time to replace my wife's X3. Disclaimer: I'm also a P-car fanboy. I loved the way the Cayenne drove, and loved the legroom in the backseat. But there wasn't a $12K difference in price, as stated in this review - it was more like $17K when compared to a moderately equipped Cayenne, and a whopping $22K difference when checking off all the Porsche options to make it nearly identical from a feature perspective to a well-equipped X5. This made the decision a relatively easy one - a BMW X5 4.0i is sitting in the driveway with nearly 20K miles on it. Zero regrets! One feature that the Cayenne didn't have: remote start (not sure if this has been address by the Cayenne refresh). Since I make my wife park her car outside so that my P-car gets the comfy garage spot, this simple feature is one that we both agree is a huge advantage to the BMW. Love the reviews - keep them coming!!
The reliability issue with many of these cars arises when, after the lease ends, they are purchased by someone who couldn't afford them new, taking advantage of the depreciation. However, what many buyers overlook is that maintenance costs don't depreciate. Whether you buy the car new or used, the cost of servicing remains the same. Additionally, these vehicles still require replacement parts that wear out over time. So, even if you bought the car for $50,000 instead of its original $100,000 price tag, you'll still face maintenance costs as if it were a $100,000 car.
So it’s less a matter of reliability and more a matter of people not knowing what they are getting themselves into, leaving the cars bad maintened which leads to even worse problems.
The reason you get very noisy in the x5 is because of two reasons, 1. X5 you got has 22 inch rims with only 30 ratio in the back, It is the same dimension as Bentley conti gt, so it doesn’t cancel a lot of road imperfections. 2. The OEM tires for the rims are conti premium contact 6 the well know tire for crazy road noise! It is insane! I replaced my with p zero as with noise cancel foam, and the car drives like butter now
Always put Pirellis on your sports cars there the best.. I had em on every car I had, now I have them on my X5🥃🏁🏁
Free maintenance on the BMW for 3 years. Lease it for that duration. Maintenance on the Porsche would scare me away from it. Wish the X5 had more leg room in the second row and I’d be ok with less cargo space. The leg room in the X3 is very similar. Both are extremely nice. Would take either over a MB GLE with its 2.0 liter 4. No question.
GLE 450 with its great 3.0 I6 exists as well and it’s way better than the x5
The car is amazing, but the rear leg room is completely unusable for adults.
Thanks for this competitive comparison with joyful jabs at each other. Yeah, people with 6 figure salaries and sperry shoe shaped feet buy these brand new but the common folk who wear crocs while shopping at Costco wait 5 years to buy these for a manageable $38K. 2020 X5 for the win!😎
2021s are coming off lease…😁.
Nobody with a brain buys this. Lease
With an extended warranty from BMW so you don’t lose your pants 😅
But what if you buy an X5 new AND still shop at Costco?!
@@bcmidcnty7457 The $ you save at Costco will pay for the extended warranty/maintenance plans on the x5. Winning!😂
The Cayenne is for refined gentlemen. The X5 is for sporty hooligans (the good kind). Unfortunately from where i'm from, the sporty nature doesn't make that much sense considering the speed limits and the roads in general. The B58 is a really good engine. The exact amount of power you will ever need. But the Cayenne, the new PASM suspension just blows the X5's suspension out of the water, not even a challenge. Both are great cars for different people. Great video!
I bought the 2024 BMW x5 couple of months ago. It is my wife's main car but I drive it on the weekend when we go out together with the little one. Actually, this was the exact two car my wife and I were deciding before we landed on the X5. The main thing came down to price, the Porsche, at the highest build was about $30K CAD more than the X5. I test drove the Cayenne, it felt like driving a truck, which the X5 also did but not as much. Cayenne was more comfortable and you were spot on with regards to the stableness of the suspension especially on bumpier roads, and spot on with regards to comfort when driving long road trips. Within the 1st month of ownership I drove the X5 600KMs (there and back) and honestly it was not the most comfortable experience I've had. Regardless, it's a great daily family car and my wife loves it. It's also great for child seats in the back and the price for us was pretty good. The B58 is a beast and actually has about 375HP. In Sport / Sport + it feels like you are driving a X3 M40i or M340i, the thing is a beast. Overall pretty good all around car for a decent change, and the truck space is insane, I can fit a full size stroller + 8 bags of groceries with very little issue or nuance.
Just traded in my 2022 BMW 540 for the Cayenne Base last month with sport exhaust (CPO former sales rep car) and couldn't be happier. Had a Macan S a while back that I loved before I swapped for the BMW 540 and immediately regretted that decision (that face you make when your dealer drives away in your Porsche). BMW was great and agree the B58 was smooth. So smooth and strong. I had lots of issues with the auto start stop in the BMW, not so in the porsche, it feels more integrated and smoother in the 2024 Cayenne. The only way to turn off the auto start stop is puttin git into sport mode. I test drive both the 2024 Cayenne and 2024 BMW X5. The Cayanne won out. My wife drives a Macan base now and we don't have kids. We love and value the way both Porsches drive and are willing to pay a little more for that. So it does really comeo down to what you value and feel comfortable in. Enjoy! and great job once again Jack and Mark!
Have to agree with you here. I cross shopped BMW X3 and X5 in 6cyl variants late last year, and the Macan S won out in leaps and bounds. I did look at the Cayenne, but like the X5, it was just too big for my needs, and the Macan's twin turbo V6 mated to the PDK felt much more 'Porsche' than the single turbo non-PDK Cayenne. Zero regrets particularly given I may have picked up one of the last ICE Macans available here in Australia. It's a keeper for sure :)
Do not buy a Cayenne. It may lead you down a dark and expensive road. I bought a Macan in December of 2014. I’m now expecting my eighth Porsche product in a few months. I’ve owned BMWs in the past and had no problem not becoming addicted to that brand.
We are on our 6th New BMW, including 4 BMW X5 X-Drive B58. Great in the Snow & Ice and we finally found cars we love after time after time. It only took us 60 New Cars to get there. Do not buy the RWD BMW unless you do not see snow & ice….. or put the BMW away and drive your Ford or Chevy 4X4 Truck. :)
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This channel continues to deliver best in the biz car reviews. From review of the stereo (something almost no one does even though this is surely important to people?) to NVH, suspension comfort, dynamism, to actual evaluation of hardware the Le Shoppe. Like wow. I can genuinely say I’d wait to see what y’all have to say about a car before I made a purchase. Mandatory viewing.
We had a Cayenne Turbo S, traded down for an X5 M50i (no X5M could be found at the time), and now we're back to a Cayenne Turbo (the Turbo S is no longer offered 😭). We regretted trading for the M50i from day one. If you're a person who likes driving "excitement" (as much as can be had in an SUV), the Cayenne is a much better vehicle than the X5. That said, shopping in the price range of the vehicles in this video, you'd have to be either insane or a huge Porsche fanboy to buy an entry-level Cayenne. The quality of materials is nowhere near up to snuff for what you're paying for it. For that price, the X5 is a much, MUCH better buy.
Was choosing between these two cars, ended up with X5 and super happy with this whip
I love my 2022 bmw X5 40i with assisted driving, advance seats control. The B58 with that ZF transmission 🤯🫠🥰 simply said the ultimate driving machine, i don’t have the offset tires and i have idrive version 7 with all the hvac buttons, thank god. The X5 is really a software based car, you need to watch videos on how to appreciate all the options, i never had to do that at this level with any other cars before, this beast is advanced. The power, the tech, the luxuries are my top 3 likes. I did get an extended warranty with maintenance package, quite pricey but i didnt want to deal with expensive suprises as i’m certain it can get very pricey quickly. Fortunately i do not have air suspension, never had and never want to
Depreciation on these is amazing.
Not so much in the U.S.- at least not in my area. Been looking to purchase a 3 year-old X5 and prices have not fallen in a whole year. The huge depreciation is with the full-size luxury sedans like S-class.
@@petrolpancakes2946 Interesting how markets vary. Here 4Runners cost more than old X5 and Cayennes, and they usually have 2x the miles on them.
I drove a 2024 base Cayenne with standard spring springs, it was the worst riding SUV I every test drove causing too much side-to-side motion even when making slow turns (causing motion sickness for both driver and passenger) and the brakes were super grabby. The car felt too unsettled over broken roads and the steering felt twichy on highways. Then, I drove a Cayenne coupe with the new two-valve air spring. Night and day difference like they were two completely different vehicles, the air springs is a MUST.
FYI Jack keeps referring to Android Auto as “Android Automotive”. Those are different things.
The former is an interface that connects to the phone like CarPlay. Almost all cars have it.
The latter is a replacement for the cars operating system itself. Now being used in Chevys and Volvos.
Android Automotive is also used in Lucid cars
He just mumbles through the text...
And Polestars. I enjoyed testing Android Automotive OS in a Polestar 2 I rented from Hertz for a couple weeks. So seamless for those of us who have much of our lives saved in a Google account (things like my saved places in Google Maps). Hardly had to use my phone other than for calls. I hope more automakers adopt it.
Perfect head to head. Pls do more of these! Thank you!
Came here for the X5 and stayed for the B58! Absolute gem of an engine bar none today. As an owner of X545e and getting 45 mpg real world after about 23K miles till now, it has been an absolute blast. The Porsche plug-in was 35K more which is insane when my X5 was already close to 85K. This 24 Cayenne at 98K is not even a PHEV and getting 20mpg just sucks.
So you buying 100k+ car and care about mpg, wtf is wrong with this world :D
Love the B58 engine its a classic and its reliable too
How hard would it have been to keep the 8 shortcut buttons on BMWs?
Million of buttons and electronic connections across the fleet are now no longer needed and they have to order less of those items for their production lines is my guess.
Probably like 12.50$
Seriously! I have a 2016 x3 and the 2021x5 both have the buttons I’ll never go past 2021 now 😂 I’ll just keep buying cpo used 😅
Still there just a swipe down on the top of the screen. I know I like the buttons better.
@@Khaled.3yIf I’m treated like a peasant that can’t be given 5-10 hotkeys so I don’t have to lean over to the screen and take my eyes off the road every time I want to change the temperature because they’re trying to save 25$ on a 100k car, they’re not getting my business
Good to see jack is not trying to make mark feel sick. Best channel on TH-cam!
I''m not in the market for an SUV, but I watched this only for the B58
watching auto channels for 10 yrs just found you guys impressed by detail subb!
Thank you for this excellent comparison. In a medium that is awash with automotive video noise, you guys are like smooth FM radio. Yours are among the best subjective (non-instrument testing) reviews. FYI, my other faves are two EVO Magazine veterans, Henry Catchpole (now at Hagerty’s) and Harry Metcalf of “Harry’s Garage”. MOTOMAN and CARWOW are pretty good too, but often not nearly as pleasant and enjoyable as your videos and your ability to clearly explain technical stuff and why that matters. Much thanks!
Thank you to you both, I’ve been looking for automotive enthusiasts comparing these two suvs. ❤
It's funny that if BMW hadn't f-ed up the interior in the LCI with their new "glued-on afterthought" dash design aesthetic and "buttons are hard" mentality, the X5's interior would be clearly superior. Pure self-inflicted wounds.
Pre-interior refresh X5 probably wins then? I'm sure you can find those still both new and barely used.
@@curiousss4960 Indeed; I think the pre-LCI interior wins that comparison hands-down. It's a shame BMW mutilated it with the LCI, and that customers cannot get the other LCI enhancements without the garbage interior changes.
@@Nick-jq5nl It looks better in real life. Much bigger and clearer than the old small screen. Plus the most important thing, the tech and power is better...
Yep the 2023 Model was the one to get. 2023 also came with the upgraded Sensafin seats (available in silverstone even) to replace the Sensatec and Vernasca leather options (if you didn't get the merino leather).
@@pete23234 Power is somewhat better, but tech improvement is questionable; slightly better features, but BMW isn't doing much to address the many bugs and issues in their tech stack, particularly iDrive issues and many known assist system failures. Just a bigger screen is not super compelling, at least to me, especially with such an awful design aesthetic and many usability bugs. I view the LCI as a side-grade at best, and that seems generous.
We custom ordered a 2025 X5 40i, almost fully spec'd with M-sport packages. Was offered 9% off MSRP and another 1K rebate with my CCA membership. It was such an incredible deal with an incredible vehicle. Now I'm sitting here tracking it like a pizza order 😆
I liked driving the Cayenne better, but you need at least the S model in order to match the base X5. Ultimately it wasn't worth the extra cash they were asking for it. Plus the X5 has god's engine, a B58
The steering and chassis is significantly behind Cayenne but the engine is top notch. Overall, I'd take Cayenne over X5. I have both.
@@GooseVan Steering is not really relevant in large luxury SUV's you aren't going to be taking hair pin turns in a large SUV anyways...Tech and engine is and the Cayenne is significantly behind BMW...People buy these for comfort and long stress free highway drives...And i do mine hands free in my X50e on cloud like rolls royce air suspension
An X5 with a few thousand in options is a much better value than a decently-equipped Cayenne. And they even lease reasonably well. Worse than the sedans, but far better than any Porsche which all lease horribly.
@@hyacia I had over 15k options and it’s still worse than cayenne except the engine. I had 2 x6 and one x5.
@@GooseVan You didn't
One of the best channels this one. I definitely recommend.
The ultimate performance suv review
My wife and I have a Macan base and an X3 30e. Agree that the suspension and steering are better in the Macan. The X3 has a better drivetrain and more room though not quite the same material quality. I recently drove an X5. It really didn't feel much bigger than the X3 as far as passenger space and did not feel anymore premium as far as ride and quietness.
I’d argue the Cayenne looks better from the rear thanks to the hips.
That’s why I bought the Touareg… I couldn’t afford the Cayenne. Same body!!
Owner of an X7 4.0 and the B58 just wins in every configuration (in combo with the ubiquitous ZF) I can’t wait to get into the smaller x5. Great video big car guy and loved the detail on the engineering vs the other videos out there. Music was a bit of a miss but I can forgive it for that B58
Sounds like perfect 2 row would be Porsche chassis/suspension and bmw engine/transmission
Cayenne rear seat able to slide forward around 6" and recline, which give more trunk space with kids in the rear. It +++ for Cayenne
We're most like going to be buying a Cayenne to replace our aging '17 Touareg, which has been a very good vehicle and has the refinement that is still relevant and I think is actually better isolated than the current X5 shockingly. I like knowing what to expect which isn't much in the long haul as we haven't had any repair on the Touareg after 80k miles compared to some BMW and MBZ models nowadays. There are a shocking amount of both of these SUV's in my area which should say something on how good they both are. The BMW is a good choice but like you all say it comes down to preference and which is better at isolation which is what we want. My biggest grip with German SUV's is staggered tires, these suv's weigh a lot and can blow through tire very easy and 315 section tires aren't cheap to be throwing some on every year or two.
BMW is number 8 in reliability for the last 7 years… I’ve owned my BMWs for years and have no issues. You’re working odd off of outdated information when you could just google… but sure go off
If you’re worried about tire cost , neither of these behave for you friend… 😅
@@LafemmebearMusic I’m not worried about cost of things just stating I don’t like it. Believe me the Touareg isn’t exactly an economy car on cost with $1600 tires and $2200 brakes every 40-50k miles. Oil leaks and coolant leaks are still prevalent on a bmw my neighborhood is filled with them and I’m a friendly neighbor so get the filled in even under warranty.
20 inch tires on X5 is not staggered and tire selection is better
@@isserdigan2835 correct same size as the Touareg but they’re not appealing and someone else won’t do it.
Can’t agree more with you guys. Cayenne is perfect second SUV for the family under the conditions that you already have a bigger SUV for the Costco hauler or full family plus dog for road trip. Cayenne is more suitable for short trip with not much luggage. My wife got the new V8 Cayenne S because we already have a X7, Cayenne is much quicker and easy to drive. Most of the time Cayenne only carries her and our two kids. It drives amazing but just too small for all family plus our two New Foundlander. If you don’t need the space and money is not an issue, go with Cayenne, you won’t be disappointed. Thanks Mark and Jack, amazing video as always.
Off topic, that is a beautiful road.
Yeah, it's between McHenry and Huntley Illinois. The busy road they turn onto is Route 47. Then they immediately turn West. It's a beautiful area in the Summer. Not so much in the Winter.
@@dougrobinson8602 Thanks for the tip
I came here for this comment.
I have to agree with Jack, the B58 is an absolute dream
Love Porsches but would be more than happy with X5 with that lovely B58 on this one
Same here
The X5 is such a great value, you can easily stay around 70k or less too. Throw some options on the Cayenne and it explodes in price
@@nafnaf0 agreed, I would get a fully loaded X5 40i M Sport for right around $90k, there is no benefit to the M60i other than more power (the 40i makes great power as-is imo)
What is it with people and the B58?
@@Alex.AL_26 the B58 is a really good engine, test drive a car with it and do research on it, then you will understand
Great breakdown and dissection of theses two, just like to add the X5 is superior in weight balance being near 50/50 vs the cayenne, and thanks so much for our inclusion into the video Mark and Jack!
One thing to correct for the US market - the 40i model X5's do come with air suspension. It's a $1,000 and can be equipped with the standard non M-sport vehicles. The X5 does not have rear only air suspension - it is 2 axle and gives the car 7 series levels of comfort.
I switch my X5M50i with regular suspension to X5M60i with rear steering and air suspension. Oh man... What a difference in the ride quality and comfort. Like night and day. Plus, the turning radius became much better. Btw, my X5M60i costs 109k. The same Cayene (which I considered to buy with very similar configuration) was 128k. Not sure that Cayene can beat the x5 with air suspension
@@andreynelepov1575 That is a beautiful car and so much car for the money! Enjoy it in good health! I agree, the air suspension might have made all the difference for this comparison.
@@andreynelepov1575 Yep. I have the X50e. The air suspension is a must have. It's weird so many people don't get it. It's not even an expensive option, although mine came with the car for free. It's like floating on a cloud lol
@@DriversDigest thank you. Enjoying every mile 🤝.
It's amazing how right you guys are in everything you mention: ride quality, body roll, drivetrain, etc, etc.....everything! I have a 2022 X5 40i with air suspension and have driven the Cayenne many times, and, in my view, 100% of your review of both vehicles is spot on. Great work guys. One note....your voices were a little distorted in this video. But that's nothing compared to the quality of your work in total. Keep it up!
The BMW looks better (fresh) while the Porsche looks the same as it did ten years ago and even then didn't have fantastic styling.
That’s what people love. 911 hasn’t changed either. That’s what makes people desire them.
@@Lifeisapartydresslikeit This is just a SUV not a 911. The styling is not great and it looks just like most other SUV's though it does looked dated.
@@williamkinn5959I’m bias. I do agree with you. I have owned both Porsche and BMW. 8 BMWs for 15 years and now I own a Porsche Taycan and I love BMW to death - I really mean that. Styling is sexy and the drive is satisfying and exhilarating- definitely the ultimate driving machine - but Porsche is Porsche for a reason. It’s really that simple. For me, I came from driving a BMW 2022 M4 Competition and as much as that car is HEAVENLY- I have converted to Porsche and prefer them. I get more heads turning in my Porsche over my BMW ❤
This is a big reason why I'm leaning towards the X5 over the Cayenne.
Porsche puts a lot into the suspension and drive train, but everything else seems outdated.
As a daily driver, I'm looking for a more well-rounded package.
Funny enought i was making this exact decision last November and pretty much agree with everything they said. Driving the porsche was incredible for a vehicle its size. Everyone is going to make the decision that is best for them, but for me I just could not justifiy the depreciation of the porshe. Both great cars, good luck out there everyone.
Cayenne wins just on the merit of keeping physical buttons.
True, a friend has one and it’s tastefully done.
You guys are the best at making _car_ videos. Been watching for years and had a few beers and all you've done is bring me cheer to keep shifting my gear. Keep it up 👍
Great review . Just wondering did the massive wheels on the X5 must have quite a detrimental affect on the NVH ? Most reviewers and owners I see say to go with the 20's as the ride is way more compliant. Just wondering how much it would have made a difference in this head to head. Keep up the awesome work fella's..
I agree. Have had 3 X5, on 22”, 21” and now 20” with air suspension and the NVH and ride is sublime
My dad is getting a brand-new X5 soon and we wouldn’t want it any way other than with 20 inch wheels
20" just makes a lot more sense with this type of car. Especially in Illinois with the crappy roads.
@@ruleslawyer agreed, I’m in NJ and 21s/22s will always get flats here
2025 x5 with the 20 inch wheels. No staggered set up so you can rotate. Ride is good, but will ditch run flats once worn.
You both did a great job in presenting both SUV's. I enjoyed watching, from beginning to end. I've begun doing my homework on both the Macan GTS & Cayenne GTS. I always liked BMW, based on my own personal research; everything their currently offering in the M series is hybrid. Same holds true with what I've read about MB's AMG series. Both companies seem to want to force your hand in purchasing a SUV with a hybrid drive train. Porsche gives you the option; that I like!
The pre LCI model (with iDrive 7) which still had physical buttons, would have scored better than the version (iDrive 8), which you tested.
The P car just doesn't give the buyer enough to show the $13-17 grand higher price for a similarly equipped vehicle.
Excellent review, by the way.
WOW!!! EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT REVIEW! I love my BMW X5... and was wanting to get a newer model... and was thinking about possibly the Cayenne. I love both of your HONEST breakdown pro's and con's of both vehicles. Thanks so much for doing this review.
For the 6 cylinder versions I would take the x5 but when it comes to the v8 versions, I would take the cayenne
For their comment regarding the Cayenne riding more smooth vs the X5 - this particular X5 has the optional 22'' wheels which will make the ride more rough by comparison. The Cayenne looks like it has base 19's or 20's with more rubber, therefore, yes, it will ride smoother.
GR Supra or Ineos Grenadier -- which has the better drivetrain ?
the answers obviously Morgan Plus 6
They're two different spec engines separated by 100+ horsepower.
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The B58 motor I had in my 2020 X6 still takes the cake as the best performing, smoothest powertrain of any vehicle I’ve ever owned! I am a proud Defender owner now and even though I prefer German engineering specifically in relation to their powertrains, the size, ride height, pedigree and less popularity of Rover products has completely locked me with the Brand! To date, the full Size Range Rover is the most luxurious and glorious SUV I’ve ever driven!
Awesome video guys, greetings from in Malaysia, we have both the BMW X5 and Porsche Cayenne built in Malaysia, and in our market, the only available model is the X5 45e phev msport which is the b58 turbo PHEV and the available cayenne is the base 3 litre turbo.....but the price difference between both SUVs are about MYR 200k....cause BMW SUV gets a big tax break, due to it being a locally made energy efficient PHEV.....good video guys...keep it coming
Terrific video! Super informative! thank you!
Both vehicles are great, but I prefer the Cayenne. I don’t care nearly as much about the tech and engine as I do about stability and solidity. I also think the Porsche is a more timeless design inside and out. My mother actually cross shopped the base Cayenne and a fully loaded Telluride (probably the only person to ever do that) and when she chose the Telluride it made me sad (the Telluride is great, but see earlier comments on timeless styling and solidity of the Porsche vs anything else).
Yup cus BMW is not stable or solid… lol. Have you owned and driven the x5?
Just bought a X5 50e M sport package fully specced Manhattan green with coffee interior. It's going to be delivered in September! I can't wait :) Used to have a pre-lci 30d and a tesla model Y. I think the upgrade will be phenomenal
My divorce lawyer loves me showing up in style in one of these.
It would be nice to see a direct comparison on the Hybrid models. Nice job on this for the basic models.
It feels like Porsche is a gigantic vehicle dynamics department outside of when they produce a new car. I say this as a Porsche enthusiast. Evolution, not revolution. It feels like the changes they make to generations and .2’s and whatever are in service of that evolution.
I'd humbly say that it's the better call compared to BMW's radical "let's throw everything out the window that made us vaunted" terms of aesthetic sense. Porsches age gracefully too!
@@rahulmandala4930 absolutely! Not a criticism - just guessing at why it feels Porsches always “win” the driving feel part of reviews and comparisons
Just started the video, but thank you for including this comparison I (and I’m sure many others) are cross shopping these!
14:08 B58 BUTTON
What's that song?
@@notfunny3397 Give it Up, Jivendro
@@piston_slap591 thank you so much, you have no idea how long I've been searching
Awesome video guys like always. Thanks for making it!
I love how much detail you guys put into the driving experiences of each car. That's what originally got me into Savagegeese videos - well, that, and the nice editing. It is interesting that the BMW manages to provide a much more refined ZF transmission calibration at a lower price, yet the Cayenne is the more smooth and quiet vehicle. In some ways, that's the reverse of what I would have expected.
I was thinking exactly the same. So how does Cayenne delivers under giving circumstances
Honestly as a BMW owner, their new interface and software is very easy to use. Adjusting the AC takes an extra millisecond….wow the world is gonna end!!!
I'd go with the refreshed Genesis GV80. These are all 5000lbs SUVs so I would not mind sacrificing a bit of handling and driving dynamics for the increased cargo space and legroom. Both the Cayenne and X5 have more cramped rear seats and less cargo space than a CRV or Santa Fe last gen.
GV80 seems to do the family and cargo stuff better. I also prefer its design inside and out. Turns more heads than any base X5 or Cayenne ever will and for a good reason. Lastly reliability and maintenance will certainly be less expensive considering Genesis has had an amazing track record by avoiding all the plagueing Hyundai/KIA engines/trans stuff.
Main thing I'd miss out on is the B58 efficiency and power with the ZF8. Aside from that i wouldnt ve missing out on much. Honestly I find Genesis interiors to be more premium. If you dont pay for the optional leather packages, the Porsche and BMW have more plastics and stuff instead of stitched leather on the dash, door panels, etc over the Genesis.
So where does the GV80 get it's eng/trannie from if it's not their parent company Hyundai/Kia?
You aren’t the customer for these vehicles. The gv80 is a wonder vehicle definitely not meant for what these are doing tho. Love the interiors on the genesis vehicles. But my mountain roads above Napa begged for a bmw so 😊
@@LafemmebearMusic I understand but my point is it's a 5000lbs. I'd rather get a sedan/sportback like a M440i, S5 Sportback, Stinger, or Panamera if I cared about mountains and twisty roads. Obviously smaller but still practical and handle/drive WAY better. Or even just a Macan. A lot lighter and one of the best driving crossovers to this still day.
@@wally6193 I was trying to say Genesis never used the problematic DCTs from Hyundai or those theta 2 engines which had fire risks. They mostly used bespoke engines like the older 4.6l and 5.0l V8, 3.8l V6, and now the 3.5TT engine. All in all Genesis had had a great reliability record so far. Probably on par with Acura/Infiniti but worse than Lexus
Technically the old 4.6 and 5.0 V8s and even the new 3.5TT engine w
@@ayushmalpeddi2793 I don't mind the looks(inside and out) but wasn't so sure about reliability because of the parts use from the parent company cars. But maybe they're okay, but really haven't heard too much on their reliability, so maybe that's a good thing.
Thanks for the Detailed Comparison.
Still doesn’t beat the skoda superb estate in family-hauling
Or even the Panamera on which the Cayenne and Macan are based.
It does 😂😂😂😂 it definitely does 😂😂😂❤
@@EvoraGT430The Panamera is on the MSB platform iirc. Shared with the Bentley CGT/Flying Spur.
Was wondering which one to get between these 2, and this one line sold me the Porsche:
"...if you value ride refinement, isolation, body control and nimbleness over everything else, this is better than the X5..."
Yep, Porsche it is.
Man, i love this channel.
8 inch ground clearance sienna 🟤
I bought the X5 and and a Shelby GT 350 based on some of your earlier videos. I’m very happy with them both.
X5 Any day, much better than Cayenne
Been waiting for this comparison for awhile now. Awesome comparison!!!
It would have been interesting to throw a CX70 with the turbo six in to the comparison. No one asked for it, but it'd make for an interesting conversation.
That cannot compete with the luxury aspect of the other two cars.
There’s a prestige element x5 and Porsche buyers want, don’t get that with Mazda.
You haven’t sat in the Mazda apparently
@@nickzarnetske9994 I drove the CX-90. It matches on looks but falls way short on power train and infotainment. I was sad at how disappointing it was.
@@MikeForsythe I have and I love it, and yes it’s luxurious. But it’ll never have the same luxury brand name recognition as BMW, Mercedes or Lexus. And some people are willing to pay for that and don’t care about how much value they could have gotten with a CX70.
great video guys would love one for the 2020 model years of both of these for the used buyer. road to a million !!!