I love my Toyota mirai I’m 20 yrs old and I’m so happy I have had the opportunity to try all these types of cars out. I came from a Chevrolet Volt premium.
@@bvedant Actually the voice trick works with hydrogen a bit *better* than with helium, although...I would not recommend breathing in highly flammable hydrogen.
If you breathe in hydrogen, your voice will chipmunk just like with helium. (Note that while breathing helium *can* be done safely; doing so with hydrogen is *always* hazardous.)
I still really like the Nexo's looks, more so than the Kona (which has grown on me). The fuel cell vs electric battery discussion will probably take us into the 2030s (especially w/ no leadership on issue); I believe both have their place. Cradle to grave must be considered for the vehicle, infrastructure, and energy creation process!
The cradle to grave emissions are much lower currently for a BEV because it is much less efficient to generate and store the hydrogen. I don't see this changing in the future. Hydrogen could be useful for applications outside of passenger vehicles.
@@TheGerm24 Electric cars won't last long, not everyone can charge there car at the same time; They will over whelm the grid. Which will create massive blackouts.
Thanks for the thorough review. This is just so much better than today's batteries for long distances. I cannot imagine Thanksgiving traffic with half the people waiting for fast chargers. As cars get better at driving themselves, road trips will replace more and more short flights and train trips even after the pandemic, making fast refueling even more important.
As a BEV driver, I can assure you that charging on thanksgiving will take about the same amount of time as a gas station stop on thanksgiving and will be much cheaper than hydrogen or gas lmao
Thanks for a very good update video. You have a unique skill to provide technical information very clearly while driving a vehicle! Keep the good info coming and drive safely.
$15/kg. wow. It's $36/kg now. Instead of going down as more infrastructure gets build, it keeps going up in price. It's like paying $25/gal for gasoline.
3 fills ups over $200 if you owned the car for his trip. The reason the lease is less costly is no one wants something they can't fill up. Very very limited stations in California. Not a vehicle for 99% of the population. 3 fills ups with the model Y would be maybe $40 if that. Nexo cost starts at $58,700. Not cheap and very complicated where repairs would be up the Ying Yang! No way Jose!
And now that they've increased production of H2, a higher percentage of renewable H2, and built more stations it's now $36/kg. $36 for a measly 58 miles. 3 fillups are now over $600.
I just drove a model Y from San Diego to Bay Area and back.. I agree with Alex's comments that 2-3 stops are what you need (starting from Santa Clara, I stopped at Kettlemen City and Santa Clarita supercharging stations to get back to San Diego with 25% SOC), but with 150 to 250 kW charging, each stop was about 15 minutes. Maybe Alex has a bigger bladder than me, but i found my model Y hit 80% by the time I finish a bathroom break and stretched my legs. So I found a Model Y road trip was no slower than going on an ICE car.
Bathroom breaks are for quitters! You're not supposed to eat anything 12 hours before the trip, and no drinks 3 hours prior. Then it's just a straight shot uninterrupted.
The SAE J2601 refuelling standard used by all public H2 stations targets a 95% fill under a range of conditions. The station does communicate with the vehicle as opposed to what Alex says. If you look in the refuelling nozzle there is black ring and inside there are IR sensors and mating sensors on the car. When you attached the nozzle to the car, H2 temperature/pressure in the vehicle tanks and other info is sent to the dispenser which uses this information to achieve >95% full in the fastest time possible.
Thanks for this well-informed comment. There is a lot of Complaining around the Internet about you sell cars not filling to 100%. This is the first time I’ve seen someone explain the actual reason why. I just filled my Nexo Oh for the first time and it was really cool to see how many hydrogen cars coming and going. 2 pumps were in constant use.
Hi Alex, I really liked how you decided to maximize productivity by giving us a video on Nexo, hydrogen fuel cell and future of electric vehicle on your commute. Your opinion on future of hydrogen fuel cell technology is very interesting to listen to.
Hydrogen vehicles are superior to battery electrics because of the time required to recharge. Once the hydrogen infrastructure is built, they will be just as convenient as gasoline or diesel vehicles. I think hydrogen represents the VHS technology vs. battery electric being the Betamax. We know how that turned out.
I agree for heavy duty, not for light duty. Charging a car is like charging a smartphone, plug it in at night and it’s ready to go in the morning. And for most long distance trips, stopping every 200-300 miles for a stretch and bite to eat fits well with quick charge times. Now it’s true the infrastructure is not there yet, but it’s a lot further along than the hydrogen infrastructure, and far less expensive too. As Alex like to say “cash is king.” However, for heavy duty, hydrogen would make more sense. Because of size and weight, it’d be a challenge fitting enough batteries in a truck, not to mention the charge time issues. Personally, I think the best arrangement is electrified high speed freight rail for long haul goods movement, fuel cell trucks for short to mid range goods movement, buses and service vehicles, and plug-in hybrids and battery electrics for the rest (combined with bikes, both electric & non-electric, and electrified high speed rail transport & transit). But that’s just my humble opinion. Each region will have it’s own needs & uses. Hydrogen in Iceland, for example, makes great sense because they have tons of geothermal. France, OTOH, uses tons of nuclear, so electric vehicles might make more sense for them.
Next time your in LA we can run some quarter miles. I’ve had my Nexo since April 2019 and have had no issues. I really dislike the cup holder situation. Also don’t like there is no memory for seat ventilation, auto stop and the 1,2,3 hybrid modes.
Thanks, Alex. Nicely presented. For such a long, busy schedule in a single day, you looked quite relaxed. Is that indicative of the ride in this vehicle?
At this point Alex I too wish that H2 infrastructure was more wide scale. The Nexo is a step in the right direction for Hyundai. Very novel, unique-looking and relatively practical. Do you think companies will see the value in H2 and expand the infrastructure any time soon? Side note: That original intro jingle was actually pretty decent. Put it back please. Thanks for the upload and stay safe put there.
Were safety concerns an issue? What if you got hit and a pressurized hydrogen tank was punctured? Are they explosive? How about maintenance? If you had a mechanical issue, could you get it fixed by a local mechanic? Are all Hyundai dealers required to have a dedicated technician to fix problems? Are updates over the air? Can a person possibly fill up at home? What is the refill process like? Did you ever have to wait your turn?
I agree. It's unfortunate there is no AWD option for the Nexo at the moment but there are also no hydrogen fueling stations near me so maybe a moot point for me specifically. I would prefer to keep the fuel-type lifestyle that hydrogen brings as well. The rolling blackouts is not something I would EVER want to tolerate in a living situation. I know that's selfish and stubborn but unfortunately my body has a harder time regulating temperature than the average person so the A/C is already a life necessity. I know I'm not the only human being out there like that so maybe it's not so selfish. Anyway, I have ALWAYS liked the audible intro that starts off low in volume for Alex's channel and this intro was no different. I have always disliked intros that start off with way too much volume from the start like some of those obnoxious auto channels rev'ing engines like idiots. This sped-up intro was a funny addition and I'm glad they kept it in this video. I came for the information that Alex always delivers so I'm not sure why people can't get past a simple audible intro clip.
Drove my Tesla M3 from Santa Clara to Anaheim. Had to do 2 bathroom breaks, simply did them at a supercharger. Did not waste a minute more charging. There are plenty of super chargers between SF and LA so it’s never a problem. Cost me less than half the cost of fuel and Autopilot did most of the driving, do was much less tired when I got to LA. Did that trip many times. Had the best experience with a Tesla M3. Finally, I hope you’re not getting on Nikola for hydrogen. Nikola has not delivered ANYTHING except empty promises. Ever. Don’t expect them to build the hydrogen network. And if they don’t, don’t expect anyone else to.
A plug in version of this, or let's call it PFCEV, would reduce the number of trips to get hydrogen. Since they already have a 1.56 kWh battery in the Nexo, they just need to do like Toyota did with the Prius Prime and increase its size. Vehicle propulsion is driven by electric motors, so I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward change to add a larger battery. If they need space, then halve the hydrogen tank capacity, using two smaller tanks instead of the 3 large ones they're using now. That should reduce cost and complexity of the Hydrogen system while increasing the cost of the battery. If we're talking about longer trips, I think people would be willing to stop more often for fuel if the stop only took a couple of minutes. So, maybe instead of 380 miles of range, you have a battery with 50 miles of range, and the Hydrogen can take you another 190 miles. The real question is how many limited resources the fuel cell itself uses.
I agree. I don’t think I’d ever want a car without a plug anymore (currently own a 2017 Volt), so a plug in fuel cell would be the only way to convince me to get a fuel cell vehicle.
I have a fuel cell electric vehicle and a battery electric vehicle (and yes I own both of them). I use the battery electric for local travel and the fuel cell for long trips. The battery electric is great for local travel but they suck for long distance (as you point out).
You're driving through my 'hood in this video lol. It was interesting to realize I recognized the road and landmarks about halfway through as you were talking so I had to watch it again. I think I would prefer a hydrogen future over an electric one. Seems to me that there are fewer downsides to it. Only issue is the lack of infrastructure currently. If that could be changed (paging Nikola) I'd be happy to start driving hydrogen. In the meantime I'm a few years out from buying a new car, but the Rav-4 Prime has my attention as the best option for pulling away from a complete gasoline dependence without some of the drawbacks of having a pure electric car.
I don’t live in the central coast, but I’ve been up and down there enough times to recognize it (Pismo is one of our favorite places to visit). I recognized it all, from the stretch north of Paso Robles, the stretch around Vandenberg, and especially his panning shot on the stretch between Ventura and Santa Barbara!
Alex, Is your NEXO set up for V2G? It seems perfect here in CALI---fuel up during the day---then let the NEXO power the house and charge the home battery storage system while watering the plants and lawn while you sleep!
Using a Nexo to make electricity is really expensive. Currently, H2 is $36/kg in CA. A kg can generate 16.6kWh of DC through the fuel cell, then changing to AC is left with about 15kWh. That's like paying $2.40/kWh.
The fuel up time is the same as a gasoline vehicle which makes it better than full evs. However, I don't think this would take off nationwide without hydrogen fuel stations nationwide.
Hydrogen can be green though. A laboratory in Israel figured out a way to use solar energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. *Not solar panels to make electricity for electrolysis.* I don’t remember all the specifics but it’s able to directly use the energy from solar radiation to separate the hydrogen. If this can be refined and expanded, it’ll present a legitimate production alternative for hydrogen. A physical fuel will often be more practical for drivers as opposed to a battery because of quick fill-ups and energy density. Also, increasing the hydrogen capacity doesn’t mean adding hundreds of pounds of battery, which is helpful for semi trucks which need really long ranges and high payloads. Hydrogen is too often shoved aside in favor of shiny batteries, but people just don’t understand them
People are going to buy whatever makes sense for their life and their pocketbook. The current prices you mentioned for hydrogen would mean it would cost $90 to go 400 mi. That's absolutely insane. If that new plant comes online at the price you mentioned that brings it down to $10 for that same range which definitely makes better financial sense. But I think battery electric at this point is so far ahead of the game with charging infrastructure that I don't really see how hydrogen could catch up for general purpose use. However in certain industries like commercial trucking, saving weight is a major major issue. Every pound the truck weighs is a pound of freight it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency. Under those circumstances it might make sense for heavy trucks to use hydrogen. Very fast refueling, lighter in weight definitely has an advantage in that industry.
@@nc3826 That's very interesting, and something I haven't seen for a while. You actually could even have a fuel cell stack that could break down gasoline into its component parts and create electricity. This article you sent mentions methanol which would probably be cleaner at that job. That certainly solves several problems. I do think however with methanol or other petrochemicals when you run it through a fuel cell stack you end up with some waste products that are not as eco-friendly. Whereas hydrogen the only result is water vapor.
@@kens97sto171 Ironic, since there are constantly new stories about it, for example... www.intelligentliving.co/nathalie-methanol-fuel-cell-supercar/ And its only waste products are just water and to a lesser extent CO2, which can be offset if a renewable base is used... IE such as the classic Wood Alcohol to produce it... but NG is the cheapest at thing point in time... And while theoretically gasoline could be used.... the increased complexity and additional cost along with a decrease in its net efficiency... Means it would be far less practical than just increasing production of methanol... Like in China where about 8% of the fuel sold is methanol... That why China will be the leader.... The real issue is the cost of producing the fuel cells and the rest of the system, is still to high for all but high end MFCEVs... FWIW, all the current MFCEVs in the links I posted for you, breakdown the methanol into hydrogen (and other components the become H20 and CO2 at the end of the processes) and use HFCs (ie stacks) not direct MFCs. So only water results in the final step and the CO2 is produce before it gets the to HFCs... Hope this is not to confusing, since there a lot of different way this can be done... And various steps in the process that I'm not mapping out here.
@@nc3826 That's all pretty interesting. I think we are going to see a multifaceted energy future. Different techniques and processes used depending upon what the demand is. it's interesting to me the fuel cell technology has been around for a very very long time. And yet really never seem to get developed. honestly even battery electrics really didn't see a lot of development until Tesla pushed it. If you could use methanol you certainly could use the existing pipelines and distribution system and even gasoline stations. You would simply be putting a different liquid fuel in those already existing tanks. That certainly makes that extremely advantageous. although I imagine at high concentrations of methanol there would need to be some changes done because it's quite volatile at high concentrations. But that certainly has a massive advantages over battery electric both in rapid refueling of course as well as using existing infrastructure to get fuel to the places where it's needed
@@kens97sto171China already uses methanol as a vehicle fuel, so hopefully that address your fears about its volatility. And It's also interesting that the 100s of different fuel cell technologies (google it) and different types of batteries and heat engines (both internal and external) have all been around for a long time. Just think about how far the Otto cycle engine has come? But us humans (especially on SM) like to over simplify things so we can understand them. But the truth is even experts do not fully understand all the details of every alternative. My point is this is very complex since there are many different issues related to this matter, such as infrastructure but this not really the best forum to dig to much into the details... But I will leave you with a thought....A Fuel Cell is just another source of electric just like a battery is, so they all are EVs. So wpre-existing methanolhydrophilic and corrosive than gas (and other issues). Since most ppl never think about infrastructure. But the rabbit hole is to deep to go down here...But it will be interesting to see how it develops.... And have a good day, Siir ... BTW on a side note, Alex's reply (elsewhere) that there was not enough feedstock to make enough methanol, to replace gasoline was disappointing. Since I never suggested methanol will replace gasoline but there is plenty of feedstock to make it possible. And since Alex is usually much more insightful.
girlperson1 same here. Sadly the infrastructure is barely there outside of California and a few other places. I think British Columbia also has a couple of hydrogen stations too.
I actually live and work pretty close to a hydrogen station and can’t charge a ev at home or at work. But I still can’t find a use case for a fuel cell car. The car would more or less get stuck around here and as I routinely travel out of state I would need another car to. There need to be lots of more hydrogen stations first.
Interested, thanks. In South Africa, Toyota (with their hydrogen trucks) and Sasol (local fuel chemical producer) want to produce Green hydrogen and build hydrogen filling stations along major truck routes. Their way of greening the trucking industry in South Africa. They have just made the announcement, so let's see where this goes.
I agree you would have needed to do 3 supercharging stops, but they would have been closer to 35-40 minutes each. Staying in the "middle" is more time-efficient than going to the end. For sure gas/hydrogen means less time spent filling up, but for most people its a wash ( specially if you are doing an overnight where you can plug in at a hotel).
Nice informative video...thinking to go for a Nexo.. what is your take on it's future from infrastructure issue? Only CA has few hydrogen filling stations...
Hydrogen is a complete member in the family of sustainable energy. Especially for those countries without much of fossil resources. Imagine, you just have to build an offshore wind farm (where there is sea and wind), deploy solar panels (where there is sun), ride the tides (where they are high), install electrolysers and drive electricity and hydrogen directly without anyone who control fossil fuels industry and its traffic. That is the case!
I'm replying to you late but the answer is in the limited fueling stations and the current sky high prices per Kg of H2. It's a hugely niche vehicle market.
Yeah if you have to pay the current $36/kg without the fuel card on new vehicles. That costs $36 for 57 miles or $0.63/mi. If you compare it to a gasoline Santa Fe at 26mi/gal. It's like paying $15.40/gal for gasoline. And if you get the hybrid version (more compatible to a Nexo), it's like paying $22.68/gal for regular gasoline. New ones come with fuel cards worth $15,000 for fuel. But you chew that up in 24k miles. After that, it's on your dime. For comparison, if I plug in at home, my EV costs me $900 for the same 24k miles and less than $1,500 with CA electricity.
Energy charging consumption varies widely. Outpacing an electric oven, stove and central air conditioner would assume charging at 7-11 kW. Many BEVs and PHEVs today are charging using 3 kW infrastructure, with many more using 110V 1.5 kW wall outlets, at least when we're referencing PHEVs and small battery BEVs. We're alternating between a basic 3.6 kW EVSE and one 110V unit for the two plug in vehicles. Anything at or above 7 kW would be overkill for us and a good chunk of the population. An exception to upgrading would allow integration of VTG tech, allowing the EV to power the house and/or grid. I am afraid many are future proofing charging infrastructure, maxing out current and future vehicle charging capabilities for very rare use cases. Yet maybe we'll see more variable current EVSE options, or personal demand awareness thus reducing current consumption through the vehicle itself (if it's an option). Awareness driven home by the local utility would be most welcome.
@@chriseaton2730 I know.. but it's dangerous to inhale it for a funny voice effect like people usually do with helium. Don't want people misunderstood and trying it after seeing some yt comment.
im waching toyota and what they do with fuel cells .they are the bigest Player in this with money to back it up. I think toyota investment is key and will determin if fuel cells hear will sucseed or fail.
If I understand you correctly, hydrogen is $2/kg, and the tank holds 6.5 kg, and you can reasonably get 375 miles/tank, that's about 3.5 cents per mile. My not so efficient 14-year-old SUV costs about 19.2 cents per mile, and my daughter's Kia (37 mpg) costs 12.8 cents per mile!
@@gianfrancoa The $2/kg came from the end of the video. The whole point is that $15/kg is what hydrogen costs _right now_ in the market, but that it could be made significantly cheaper with infrastructural improvements. The LA production project is targeting $2/kg for the end consumer. Longer term, there are a number of promising approaches to hydrogen production that would hugely reduce cost. My view is that both hydrogen and battery-electric are going to be critical role players in replacing fossil fuels.
Hydrogen fuel cells is more green then electric vehicles. Electricity is made from fossil fuels ( at least mass produced) and to make the batteries as well.
Ben Dunn electricity production can be clean. Hydro electric is clean... solar, clean.... up here a lot of electricity is either hydro electric or nuclear,
Todd Soden you can’t read what I said tho ? There is green options but the grid isn’t 100% geez nor ever will be imo with the current state of politics
Best explanation I've seen for hydrogen vehicles. I think they are a much better solution for climate change than regular EVs, but without the infrastructure and at the asking price, a lot of people aren't going to choose that over an EV. Even when it's the more practical choice.
I wonder if anyone has thought of making an electric/hydrogen vehicle, like a PHEV that runs on hydrogen instead. I think it'd be a great idea. Good enough battery for city range, and hydrogen for long range trips
The Nexo has a 1500kwh battery and works exactly like a hybrid. I am not sure if how much a larger battery would help w range and performance. It hasn’t feel underpowered on Southern California freeways yet.
Does fuel cell have a future? Yes because you can produce hydrogen anywhere on the planet and then move it to where it will be sold. Hydrogen is the most common molecule in the universe and we won't have to spare it like we do now with oil.
- - - Tesla Model Y does not have 360-degree camera. That alone should eliminate it from consideration. - Model Y lease for $643/month. However, people forget the cost of installing a Tesla charger at home. The total cost should be about $700/month. - People also forget that electricity also costs money. I have a lot of excess capacity from my solar panel, but I'm not confident that I could charge for free given the byzantine rules of California utilities. + Tesla - the performance is far better for sure. + Tesla - your friends and neighbors envy you. + Model Y should be roomier than Nexo Limited. + Nexo Limited leases for about $500/month. + Since fuel is free, the cost comes to about $350/month. This is half the cost of Tesla! + Nexo Limited comes with 360-degree camera. + Nexo Limited also comes with self-parking tech. The base Model Y does not. - Nexo: The hydro station is about 10 miles from my wife's office. That's 20 miles wasted per charge, to say nothing of the time waste. Even: the control stack. Using a pad in car is a terrible idea. However, Nexo's super wide array of buttons eats too much width. Nexo is almost a subcompact vehicle, and there is no need to make it worse. Even: Both are not for Vegas trip.
I think the biggest con for this car is the price tag. Hyundai has a lot of cheap cars. Their EV battery cars are much cheaper by a lot! Fuel Cell is not doing well because of price which causes no demand and no infrastructure
I believe a byproduct of a hydrogen fuel cell is water. How much water is created in normal driving, and where does it go? I live in Minnesota and road surfaces are below freezing for quite a few months of the year. Water dripping out of fuel cell cars could cause a nasty ice problem, especially at intersections where cars would sit in one place for a while waiting for the light to change. If the water would be stored in a tank in the car, how would you keep it from freezing and would emptying the water tank have to be part of your parking the car after a trip to the store?
Byproduct of an ICEV is water too, expect with far more toxic crap mixed in with it both are in to form a vapor so no one cares, .... Not matter how much a troll, wants to spin reality... But MFCV is far better fuelcellsworks.com/news/blue-world-technologies-signs-agreement-on-methanol-fuel-cells-with-chinese-ev-manufacturer-aiways/
@@nc3826 The water from fuel cell is dumped from the bottom of the car as liquid, not vapor. But fuel cells make plenty of waste heat, so the water can be kept warm until the driver chooses to open the dump valve.
The water from fuel cell is dumped from the bottom of the car as liquid, not vapor. But fuel cells make plenty of waste heat, so the water can be kept warm until the driver chooses to open the dump valve. I don't know how big the waste water tank is, and how far you can drive before it has to be emptied. But 6 kg of hydrogen makes only a few gallons of water.
@@jimmurphy5355 ust like for an engine, it can come out as both or either as a liquid or a vapor but since no sane person has ever worried about the water that can come out of tailpipe... it makes me regret even commenting on something so trivial....
9.0 Alex Says station does not know anything hoe much H2 is in The car is wrong. There is infra red communication between The car and station, to meassure temperature and pressure. ThiS is required to detect too high temperature During filling (due to the high compression temp rises easily 40-60c)
Damn it, I thought I had 2x playback on. Hydrogen with a plug is the obvious way for personal vehicles. The only reason Toyota and Hyundai don't do it is they want subsidies for hydrogen infrastructure and research.
Not really. BEVs are 1% or less of the market from month to month in the USA. By this logic, we've already chosen diesel over electric because the sales are higher. The road to 90%+ renewable sources for driving vehicles is so incredibly long from this point that we don't really know what the end looks like. EV sales have had promise, but aside from Tesla, the entire EV segment has actually shrunk over the last few years.
Alex on Autos Thanks for your reply, Alex. I commented that because the world isn’t just USA. Chinese passenger car market is growing up and expected to be the largest in the next 10 years? Here, BEV is chosen as the next step. Another reason is that, worldwide, electricity achieves real ‘clean resource’ easier than hydrogen in terms of production.
Nikola is a pump-and-dump scam. I want hydrogen to succeed in extremely heavy vehicles like semi trucks, freight ships, trains, etc, but Nikola is a really bad example of that future.
Steam reformation of natural gas is green house gas neutral so long as the natural gas is from organic decomposition (e.g. animal waste). You are incorrect that fuel cells are less efficient well to wheels than battery electrics. Fuel cells are significantly more efficient than batteries well to wheel, because hydrogen consumes all the energy in the duck curve while BEVs waste 100% of that energy (because they charge at night and, in fact, cause gas turbines to run "more* at night and they actually increase pollution).
@@AAutoBuyersGuide absolutely, it depends on a renewable dominant grid (for at least 4 weeks a year) but why would we want to pursue a technology that makes renewable dominant grids incredibly inefficient? Instead of being spoon fed, why not do a little research yourself about the dire need for storage in order to allow transition to renewable dominant grids, and the fact that a hydrogen fleet provides terabytes of flexible storage as a side effect of the implementation. In the scenario of a renewable dominant grid hydrogen fuel cells are about 20% more efficient (globally) than battery electric vehicles.
I really hope Hydrogen vehicles don't take off. Electricity is ubiquitous. Having to produce, store, and distributing Hydrogen is tomorrows solution to yesterday's problem.
I think we are going to find that we end up in a multi-solution situation. For long distance over the road trucks, hydrogen certainly could make a hell of a lot more sense because of the weight savings. Batteries are heavy, and every pound of battery is a pound of cargo it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency. But I think overall you are correct. Using energy to convert raw material into hydrogen, transporting it, then pumping it into a car to then use seems like an awful lot of steps when you could just take electricity directly. Also electricity can be generated via solar or other sources that are cleaner. The advantage that liquid petroleum fuels have is that they have extremely high energy density, and are easily transported over pipe or in tanks.
About charging simultaneously lots of EVs at the same time I believe it might be possible with big battery systems to support high demand to the grid located strategically in neighbourhoods the way Tesla superchargers are backed up by huge batteries. On the one hand it looks like Tesla, Norway, China did commit themselves to promoting EVs and it just started to work which is proven by so many other carmarkers jumping on EV bandwagon as well as most coutries in Europe. On the other hand in Hydrogen group are Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Japan, South Korea and California and Nikola if it is to be considered serious company. It does not look like the second group did succeed in promotion of Hydrogen fuel technology so far. Time will show how Hydrogen technology is going to catch up.
We can create hydrogen fuel at home using this process possibly. If we can make an HHO Generator that can separate the hydrogen and oxygen from sea water, we can turn the hydrogen into fuel for hydrogen cars. Use this video to learn how you can make an HHO Generator. th-cam.com/video/cqjn3mup1So/w-d-xo.html
I love my Toyota mirai I’m 20 yrs old and I’m so happy I have had the opportunity to try all these types of cars out. I came from a Chevrolet Volt premium.
Are you still driving your Mirai?
That intro had me trippin'
That intro had to be the most understated joke ever.
@Akira S nah that was kind of reaching. Hydrogen fuel cell cars not helium
@@bvedant Actually the voice trick works with hydrogen a bit *better* than with helium, although...I would not recommend breathing in highly flammable hydrogen.
Almost three years later, hydrogen still faces issues with supply and high Kg prices at the pump.
Really appreciate the commentary on H2 vehicles in general and pros-cons of each of the energy types.
did you just make the intro jingle even worse on purpose?
still liked the video but why you do this to us lol
If you breathe in hydrogen, your voice will chipmunk just like with helium. (Note that while breathing helium *can* be done safely; doing so with hydrogen is *always* hazardous.)
Did you make the intro worse on purpose 😂😂😂
I still really like the Nexo's looks, more so than the Kona (which has grown on me). The fuel cell vs electric battery discussion will probably take us into the 2030s (especially w/ no leadership on issue); I believe both have their place. Cradle to grave must be considered for the vehicle, infrastructure, and energy creation process!
The cradle to grave emissions are much lower currently for a BEV because it is much less efficient to generate and store the hydrogen. I don't see this changing in the future. Hydrogen could be useful for applications outside of passenger vehicles.
@@TheGerm24 Electric cars won't last long, not everyone can charge there car at the same time; They will over whelm the grid. Which will create massive blackouts.
Thanks for the thorough review. This is just so much better than today's batteries for long distances. I cannot imagine Thanksgiving traffic with half the people waiting for fast chargers. As cars get better at driving themselves, road trips will replace more and more short flights and train trips even after the pandemic, making fast refueling even more important.
As a BEV driver, I can assure you that charging on thanksgiving will take about the same amount of time as a gas station stop on thanksgiving and will be much cheaper than hydrogen or gas lmao
Thanks for a very good update video. You have a unique skill to provide technical information very clearly while driving a vehicle! Keep the good info coming and drive safely.
Awesome intro. You made it even better. A million thank you’s!!!! I am going to make it my ring tone.
Love my Nexo!!! Performance isn't needed when commuting. Its got enough power. Can't beat the Incentives
Do you still have it?
@scottkolaya2110 unfortunately had a fuel cell issue and hyundai had to buy it back
@@unlimited369 That's a bummer, thanks.
@scottkolaya2110 hydrogen vehicle are great as a 2nd car but never as a primary vehicle
Hot weather gives fuel stations problems
$15/kg. wow. It's $36/kg now. Instead of going down as more infrastructure gets build, it keeps going up in price. It's like paying $25/gal for gasoline.
3 fills ups over $200 if you owned the car for his trip. The reason the lease is less costly is no one wants something they can't fill up. Very very limited stations in California. Not a vehicle for 99% of the population. 3 fills ups with the model Y would be maybe $40 if that.
Nexo cost starts at $58,700. Not cheap and very complicated where repairs would be up the Ying Yang! No way Jose!
And now that they've increased production of H2, a higher percentage of renewable H2, and built more stations it's now $36/kg. $36 for a measly 58 miles. 3 fillups are now over $600.
I just drove a model Y from San Diego to Bay Area and back.. I agree with Alex's comments that 2-3 stops are what you need (starting from Santa Clara, I stopped at Kettlemen City and Santa Clarita supercharging stations to get back to San Diego with 25% SOC), but with 150 to 250 kW charging, each stop was about 15 minutes. Maybe Alex has a bigger bladder than me, but i found my model Y hit 80% by the time I finish a bathroom break and stretched my legs. So I found a Model Y road trip was no slower than going on an ICE car.
Bathroom breaks are for quitters! You're not supposed to eat anything 12 hours before the trip, and no drinks 3 hours prior. Then it's just a straight shot uninterrupted.
The SAE J2601 refuelling standard used by all public H2 stations targets a 95% fill under a range of conditions. The station does communicate with the vehicle as opposed to what Alex says. If you look in the refuelling nozzle there is black ring and inside there are IR sensors and mating sensors on the car. When you attached the nozzle to the car, H2 temperature/pressure in the vehicle tanks and other info is sent to the dispenser which uses this information to achieve >95% full in the fastest time possible.
Thanks for this well-informed comment. There is a lot of Complaining around the Internet about you sell cars not filling to 100%. This is the first time I’ve seen someone explain the actual reason why. I just filled my Nexo Oh for the first time and it was really cool to see how many hydrogen cars coming and going. 2 pumps were in constant use.
Hi Alex, I really liked how you decided to maximize productivity by giving us a video on Nexo, hydrogen fuel cell and future of electric vehicle on your commute. Your opinion on future of hydrogen fuel cell technology is very interesting to listen to.
Hydrogen vehicles are superior to battery electrics because of the time required to recharge. Once the hydrogen infrastructure is built, they will be just as convenient as gasoline or diesel vehicles. I think hydrogen represents the VHS technology vs. battery electric being the Betamax. We know how that turned out.
I agree for heavy duty, not for light duty. Charging a car is like charging a smartphone, plug it in at night and it’s ready to go in the morning. And for most long distance trips, stopping every 200-300 miles for a stretch and bite to eat fits well with quick charge times. Now it’s true the infrastructure is not there yet, but it’s a lot further along than the hydrogen infrastructure, and far less expensive too. As Alex like to say “cash is king.”
However, for heavy duty, hydrogen would make more sense. Because of size and weight, it’d be a challenge fitting enough batteries in a truck, not to mention the charge time issues. Personally, I think the best arrangement is electrified high speed freight rail for long haul goods movement, fuel cell trucks for short to mid range goods movement, buses and service vehicles, and plug-in hybrids and battery electrics for the rest (combined with bikes, both electric & non-electric, and electrified high speed rail transport & transit).
But that’s just my humble opinion. Each region will have it’s own needs & uses. Hydrogen in Iceland, for example, makes great sense because they have tons of geothermal. France, OTOH, uses tons of nuclear, so electric vehicles might make more sense for them.
Excellent review, Alex. I am definitely subscribing and keep up the great work.
Burn down that new and old intro
Next time your in LA we can run some quarter miles. I’ve had my Nexo since April 2019 and have had no issues. I really dislike the cup holder situation. Also don’t like there is no memory for seat ventilation, auto stop and the 1,2,3 hybrid modes.
I wish we had hydrogen options on the East coast
why get an EV plug it at home and then drive it to california lol
Thanks, Alex. Nicely presented.
For such a long, busy schedule in a single day, you looked quite relaxed. Is that indicative of the ride in this vehicle?
At this point Alex I too wish that H2 infrastructure was more wide scale. The Nexo is a step in the right direction for Hyundai. Very novel, unique-looking and relatively practical. Do you think companies will see the value in H2 and expand the infrastructure any time soon?
Side note: That original intro jingle was actually pretty decent. Put it back please.
Thanks for the upload and stay safe put there.
Were safety concerns an issue? What if you got hit and a pressurized hydrogen tank was punctured? Are they explosive? How about maintenance? If you had a mechanical issue, could you get it fixed by a local mechanic? Are all Hyundai dealers required to have a dedicated technician to fix problems? Are updates over the air? Can a person possibly fill up at home? What is the refill process like? Did you ever have to wait your turn?
I just love this guy!!
The intro rocks, short and sweet
I agree. It's unfortunate there is no AWD option for the Nexo at the moment but there are also no hydrogen fueling stations near me so maybe a moot point for me specifically. I would prefer to keep the fuel-type lifestyle that hydrogen brings as well. The rolling blackouts is not something I would EVER want to tolerate in a living situation. I know that's selfish and stubborn but unfortunately my body has a harder time regulating temperature than the average person so the A/C is already a life necessity. I know I'm not the only human being out there like that so maybe it's not so selfish.
Anyway, I have ALWAYS liked the audible intro that starts off low in volume for Alex's channel and this intro was no different. I have always disliked intros that start off with way too much volume from the start like some of those obnoxious auto channels rev'ing engines like idiots. This sped-up intro was a funny addition and I'm glad they kept it in this video. I came for the information that Alex always delivers so I'm not sure why people can't get past a simple audible intro clip.
Drove my Tesla M3 from Santa Clara to Anaheim. Had to do 2 bathroom breaks, simply did them at a supercharger. Did not waste a minute more charging. There are plenty of super chargers between SF and LA so it’s never a problem. Cost me less than half the cost of fuel and Autopilot did most of the driving, do was much less tired when I got to LA. Did that trip many times. Had the best experience with a Tesla M3. Finally, I hope you’re not getting on Nikola for hydrogen. Nikola has not delivered ANYTHING except empty promises. Ever. Don’t expect them to build the hydrogen network. And if they don’t, don’t expect anyone else to.
A plug in version of this, or let's call it PFCEV, would reduce the number of trips to get hydrogen. Since they already have a 1.56 kWh battery in the Nexo, they just need to do like Toyota did with the Prius Prime and increase its size. Vehicle propulsion is driven by electric motors, so I imagine it would be a fairly straightforward change to add a larger battery. If they need space, then halve the hydrogen tank capacity, using two smaller tanks instead of the 3 large ones they're using now. That should reduce cost and complexity of the Hydrogen system while increasing the cost of the battery. If we're talking about longer trips, I think people would be willing to stop more often for fuel if the stop only took a couple of minutes. So, maybe instead of 380 miles of range, you have a battery with 50 miles of range, and the Hydrogen can take you another 190 miles. The real question is how many limited resources the fuel cell itself uses.
The Germans already made plug in fuel cell cars: Mercedes GLC F-Cell. Only leased in German. Unfortunately it's discontinued.
I agree. I don’t think I’d ever want a car without a plug anymore (currently own a 2017 Volt), so a plug in fuel cell would be the only way to convince me to get a fuel cell vehicle.
This needs to be the intro forever
this is the real future, battery cars are the next steam car
Hydrogen vehicles seem pretty cool
Hope to see more of these cars
I honestly forgot about the Nexo, but that you had one and that it existed
Excellent
The motor cleans the air
Kind of. Is it still "air" if you strip all the oxygen out of it, or is it just clean nitrogen?
I have a fuel cell electric vehicle and a battery electric vehicle (and yes I own both of them). I use the battery electric for local travel and the fuel cell for long trips.
The battery electric is great for local travel but they suck for long distance (as you point out).
You're driving through my 'hood in this video lol. It was interesting to realize I recognized the road and landmarks about halfway through as you were talking so I had to watch it again.
I think I would prefer a hydrogen future over an electric one. Seems to me that there are fewer downsides to it. Only issue is the lack of infrastructure currently. If that could be changed (paging Nikola) I'd be happy to start driving hydrogen.
In the meantime I'm a few years out from buying a new car, but the Rav-4 Prime has my attention as the best option for pulling away from a complete gasoline dependence without some of the drawbacks of having a pure electric car.
I don’t live in the central coast, but I’ve been up and down there enough times to recognize it (Pismo is one of our favorite places to visit). I recognized it all, from the stretch north of Paso Robles, the stretch around Vandenberg, and especially his panning shot on the stretch between Ventura and Santa Barbara!
Alex,
Is your NEXO set up for V2G?
It seems perfect here in CALI---fuel up during the day---then let the NEXO power the house and charge the home battery storage system while watering the plants and lawn while you sleep!
Using a Nexo to make electricity is really expensive. Currently, H2 is $36/kg in CA. A kg can generate 16.6kWh of DC through the fuel cell, then changing to AC is left with about 15kWh. That's like paying $2.40/kWh.
The fuel up time is the same as a gasoline vehicle which makes it better than full evs. However, I don't think this would take off nationwide without hydrogen fuel stations nationwide.
Anyone else getting a distinctively WGBH Boston vibe with intro? /wink
Hydrogen can be green though. A laboratory in Israel figured out a way to use solar energy to separate hydrogen from oxygen in water. *Not solar panels to make electricity for electrolysis.* I don’t remember all the specifics but it’s able to directly use the energy from solar radiation to separate the hydrogen. If this can be refined and expanded, it’ll present a legitimate production alternative for hydrogen. A physical fuel will often be more practical for drivers as opposed to a battery because of quick fill-ups and energy density. Also, increasing the hydrogen capacity doesn’t mean adding hundreds of pounds of battery, which is helpful for semi trucks which need really long ranges and high payloads. Hydrogen is too often shoved aside in favor of shiny batteries, but people just don’t understand them
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Whatever that octave-up intro was, don't let it happen again.
Awwww
People are going to buy whatever makes sense for their life and their pocketbook. The current prices you mentioned for hydrogen would mean it would cost $90 to go 400 mi. That's absolutely insane.
If that new plant comes online at the price you mentioned that brings it down to $10 for that same range which definitely makes better financial sense.
But I think battery electric at this point is so far ahead of the game with charging infrastructure that I don't really see how hydrogen could catch up for general purpose use. However in certain industries like commercial trucking, saving weight is a major major issue. Every pound the truck weighs is a pound of freight it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency. Under those circumstances it might make sense for heavy trucks to use hydrogen. Very fast refueling, lighter in weight definitely has an advantage in that industry.
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That's very interesting, and something I haven't seen for a while. You actually could even have a fuel cell stack that could break down gasoline into its component parts and create electricity. This article you sent mentions methanol which would probably be cleaner at that job. That certainly solves several problems.
I do think however with methanol or other petrochemicals when you run it through a fuel cell stack you end up with some waste products that are not as eco-friendly. Whereas hydrogen the only result is water vapor.
@@kens97sto171 Ironic, since there are constantly new stories about it, for example... www.intelligentliving.co/nathalie-methanol-fuel-cell-supercar/
And its only waste products are just water and to a lesser extent CO2, which can be offset if a renewable base is used... IE such as the classic Wood Alcohol to produce it... but NG is the cheapest at thing point in time...
And while theoretically gasoline could be used.... the increased complexity and additional cost along with a decrease in its net efficiency... Means it would be far less practical than just increasing production of methanol... Like in China where about 8% of the fuel sold is methanol... That why China will be the leader....
The real issue is the cost of producing the fuel cells and the rest of the system, is still to high for all but high end MFCEVs...
FWIW, all the current MFCEVs in the links I posted for you, breakdown the methanol into hydrogen (and other components the become H20 and CO2 at the end of the processes) and use HFCs (ie stacks) not direct MFCs. So only water results in the final step and the CO2 is produce before it gets the to HFCs... Hope this is not to confusing, since there a lot of different way this can be done... And various steps in the process that I'm not mapping out here.
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That's all pretty interesting. I think we are going to see a multifaceted energy future. Different techniques and processes used depending upon what the demand is.
it's interesting to me the fuel cell technology has been around for a very very long time. And yet really never seem to get developed.
honestly even battery electrics really didn't see a lot of development until Tesla pushed it.
If you could use methanol you certainly could use the existing pipelines and distribution system and even gasoline stations. You would simply be putting a different liquid fuel in those already existing tanks. That certainly makes that extremely advantageous. although I imagine at high concentrations of methanol there would need to be some changes done because it's quite volatile at high concentrations. But that certainly has a massive advantages over battery electric both in rapid refueling of course as well as using existing infrastructure to get fuel to the places where it's needed
@@kens97sto171China already uses methanol as a vehicle fuel, so hopefully that address your fears about its volatility.
And It's also interesting that the 100s of different fuel cell technologies (google it) and different types of batteries and heat engines (both internal and external) have all been around for a long time. Just think about how far the Otto cycle engine has come? But us humans (especially on SM) like to over simplify things so we can understand them. But the truth is even experts do not fully understand all the details of every alternative.
My point is this is very complex since there are many different issues related to this matter, such as infrastructure but this not really the best forum to dig to much into the details...
But I will leave you with a thought....A Fuel Cell is just another source of electric just like a battery is, so they all are EVs. So wpre-existing
methanolhydrophilic and corrosive than gas (and other issues). Since most ppl never think about infrastructure. But the rabbit hole is to deep to go down here...But it will be interesting to see how it develops.... And have a good day, Siir ...
BTW on a side note, Alex's reply (elsewhere) that there was not enough feedstock to make enough methanol, to replace gasoline was disappointing. Since I never suggested methanol will replace gasoline but there is plenty of feedstock to make it possible. And since Alex is usually much more insightful.
I would love a hydrogen powered vehicle.
girlperson1 same here. Sadly the infrastructure is barely there outside of California and a few other places. I think British Columbia also has a couple of hydrogen stations too.
Unfortunately for me in Missouri, it would short thousand mile drive to Connecticut to reach my nearest fueling station, not that practical for me
I actually live and work pretty close to a hydrogen station and can’t charge a ev at home or at work. But I still can’t find a use case for a fuel cell car. The car would more or less get stuck around here and as I routinely travel out of state I would need another car to. There need to be lots of more hydrogen stations first.
You are the best!
Interested, thanks. In South Africa, Toyota (with their hydrogen trucks) and Sasol (local fuel chemical producer) want to produce Green hydrogen and build hydrogen filling stations along major truck routes. Their way of greening the trucking industry in South Africa. They have just made the announcement, so let's see where this goes.
I agree you would have needed to do 3 supercharging stops, but they would have been closer to 35-40 minutes each. Staying in the "middle" is more time-efficient than going to the end. For sure gas/hydrogen means less time spent filling up, but for most people its a wash ( specially if you are doing an overnight where you can plug in at a hotel).
They are now on sale (no more lease)can you do a new update
eview?
Nice informative video...thinking to go for a Nexo.. what is your take on it's future from infrastructure issue? Only CA has few hydrogen filling stations...
Holy what, it's been a year!?
Hydrogen is a complete member in the family of sustainable energy. Especially for those countries without much of fossil resources. Imagine, you just have to build an offshore wind farm (where there is sea and wind), deploy solar panels (where there is sun), ride the tides (where they are high), install electrolysers and drive electricity and hydrogen directly without anyone who control fossil fuels industry and its traffic. That is the case!
Anyone know why they depreciated so much? MSRP was $59k for a 2019 and I’m looking at a used one for $15k now
I'm replying to you late but the answer is in the limited fueling stations and the current sky high prices per Kg of H2. It's a hugely niche vehicle market.
Yeah if you have to pay the current $36/kg without the fuel card on new vehicles. That costs $36 for 57 miles or $0.63/mi. If you compare it to a gasoline Santa Fe at 26mi/gal. It's like paying $15.40/gal for gasoline. And if you get the hybrid version (more compatible to a Nexo), it's like paying $22.68/gal for regular gasoline. New ones come with fuel cards worth $15,000 for fuel. But you chew that up in 24k miles. After that, it's on your dime. For comparison, if I plug in at home, my EV costs me $900 for the same 24k miles and less than $1,500 with CA electricity.
Energy charging consumption varies widely. Outpacing an electric oven, stove and central air conditioner would assume charging at 7-11 kW. Many BEVs and PHEVs today are charging using 3 kW infrastructure, with many more using 110V 1.5 kW wall outlets, at least when we're referencing PHEVs and small battery BEVs.
We're alternating between a basic 3.6 kW EVSE and one 110V unit for the two plug in vehicles. Anything at or above 7 kW would be overkill for us and a good chunk of the population. An exception to upgrading would allow integration of VTG tech, allowing the EV to power the house and/or grid.
I am afraid many are future proofing charging infrastructure, maxing out current and future vehicle charging capabilities for very rare use cases. Yet maybe we'll see more variable current EVSE options, or personal demand awareness thus reducing current consumption through the vehicle itself (if it's an option). Awareness driven home by the local utility would be most welcome.
Cool intro 👍🏽👍🏽
Hydrogen car. High pitched intro. Nice one.
You might be thinking about helium, not hydrogen :)
@@yadhi3100 molecular hydrogen has about the same density as helium so the effect on sound would be similar.
@@chriseaton2730 I know.. but it's dangerous to inhale it for a funny voice effect like people usually do with helium. Don't want people misunderstood and trying it after seeing some yt comment.
im waching toyota and what they do with fuel cells .they are the bigest Player in this with money to back it up. I think toyota investment is key and will determin if fuel cells hear will sucseed or fail.
I think informational video it's better to be shot in your office, without noise, and maybe with a white board.
$15 per kg of fuel?! Definitely a lease vehicle.
Yeah, it's now $36 per kg. The fuel card only gets you about 24,000 miles now, so probably keep it to a 2-year lease.
Intro had me thinking the video was 2x speed
If I understand you correctly, hydrogen is $2/kg, and the tank holds 6.5 kg, and you can reasonably get 375 miles/tank, that's about 3.5 cents per mile. My not so efficient 14-year-old SUV costs about 19.2 cents per mile, and my daughter's Kia (37 mpg) costs 12.8 cents per mile!
He said $15/kg
@@gianfrancoa The $2/kg came from the end of the video. The whole point is that $15/kg is what hydrogen costs _right now_ in the market, but that it could be made significantly cheaper with infrastructural improvements. The LA production project is targeting $2/kg for the end consumer. Longer term, there are a number of promising approaches to hydrogen production that would hugely reduce cost.
My view is that both hydrogen and battery-electric are going to be critical role players in replacing fossil fuels.
Yes, my bad. The $15 was sais at the beginning.
But he said it is included in the price of a lease so hardly anyone pays that price...
@@nc3826 You are correct, but I figure including the fuel with the car is probably just an introductory thing. I was thinking ahead a bit.
Dilithium Crystal power? Scotty can get that done from the great beyond.
Hydrogen fuel cells is more green then electric vehicles. Electricity is made from fossil fuels ( at least mass produced) and to make the batteries as well.
Ben Dunn electricity production can be clean. Hydro electric is clean... solar, clean.... up here a lot of electricity is either hydro electric or nuclear,
Todd Soden you can’t read what I said tho ? There is green options but the grid isn’t 100% geez nor ever will be imo with the current state of politics
Bring back the old intro
Best explanation I've seen for hydrogen vehicles. I think they are a much better solution for climate change than regular EVs, but without the infrastructure and at the asking price, a lot of people aren't going to choose that over an EV. Even when it's the more practical choice.
Did you find any stations to fill up close to San Bernardino that isn’t in LA
I wonder if anyone has thought of making an electric/hydrogen vehicle, like a PHEV that runs on hydrogen instead. I think it'd be a great idea. Good enough battery for city range, and hydrogen for long range trips
The Nexo has a 1500kwh battery and works exactly like a hybrid. I am not sure if how much a larger battery would help w range and performance. It hasn’t feel underpowered on Southern California freeways yet.
THIS HYUNDAI NEXO is single motor?
It seems like the beginning of the video may have been sped up
I hope the fuel cell stack doesn't get damaged by all the ash. BTW: How were you not evacuated?
Does fuel cell have a future? Yes because you can produce hydrogen anywhere on the planet and then move it to where it will be sold. Hydrogen is the most common molecule in the universe and we won't have to spare it like we do now with oil.
- - - Tesla Model Y does not have 360-degree camera. That alone should eliminate it from consideration.
- Model Y lease for $643/month. However, people forget the cost of installing a Tesla charger at home. The total cost should be about $700/month.
- People also forget that electricity also costs money. I have a lot of excess capacity from my solar panel, but I'm not confident that I could charge for free given the byzantine rules of California utilities.
+ Tesla - the performance is far better for sure.
+ Tesla - your friends and neighbors envy you.
+ Model Y should be roomier than Nexo Limited.
+ Nexo Limited leases for about $500/month.
+ Since fuel is free, the cost comes to about $350/month. This is half the cost of Tesla!
+ Nexo Limited comes with 360-degree camera.
+ Nexo Limited also comes with self-parking tech. The base Model Y does not.
- Nexo: The hydro station is about 10 miles from my wife's office. That's 20 miles wasted per charge, to say nothing of the time waste.
Even: the control stack. Using a pad in car is a terrible idea. However, Nexo's super wide array of buttons eats too much width. Nexo is almost a subcompact vehicle, and there is no need to make it worse.
Even: Both are not for Vegas trip.
Just curious, what happens if someone runs out of hydrogen?
IMO, until there's a general availability, solution like i3 REX would be great.
I’d assume electricity would cease to be generated and the car would not move further until it could be refueled, just like a gasoline car.
6kg of hydrogen gives u 400 miles... WOW!
6 kg now costs $216. $216 for 400 miles... WOW!
I think the biggest con for this car is the price tag. Hyundai has a lot of cheap cars. Their EV battery cars are much cheaper by a lot! Fuel Cell is not doing well because of price which causes no demand and no infrastructure
I believe a byproduct of a hydrogen fuel cell is water. How much water is created in normal driving, and where does it go? I live in Minnesota and road surfaces are below freezing for quite a few months of the year. Water dripping out of fuel cell cars could cause a nasty ice problem, especially at intersections where cars would sit in one place for a while waiting for the light to change. If the water would be stored in a tank in the car, how would you keep it from freezing and would emptying the water tank have to be part of your parking the car after a trip to the store?
Byproduct of an ICEV is water too, expect with far more toxic crap mixed in with it both are in to form a vapor so no one cares, .... Not matter how much a troll, wants to spin reality... But MFCV is far better fuelcellsworks.com/news/blue-world-technologies-signs-agreement-on-methanol-fuel-cells-with-chinese-ev-manufacturer-aiways/
@@nc3826 The water from fuel cell is dumped from the bottom of the car as liquid, not vapor. But fuel cells make plenty of waste heat, so the water can be kept warm until the driver chooses to open the dump valve.
The water from fuel cell is dumped from the bottom of the car as liquid, not vapor. But fuel cells make plenty of waste heat, so the water can be kept warm until the driver chooses to open the dump valve. I don't know how big the waste water tank is, and how far you can drive before it has to be emptied. But 6 kg of hydrogen makes only a few gallons of water.
@@jimmurphy5355 ust like for an engine, it can come out as both or either as a liquid or a vapor but since no sane person has ever worried about the water that can come out of tailpipe... it makes me regret even commenting on something so trivial....
@@jimmurphy5355 Thank you
9.0 Alex Says station does not know anything hoe much H2 is in The car is wrong. There is infra red communication between The car and station, to meassure temperature and pressure. ThiS is required to detect too high temperature During filling (due to the high compression temp rises easily 40-60c)
Interesting.
I thought I had youtube at x2 speed until I heard him speak ughhhh
Well. Never thought that intro could get any worser ..
Intro drank Helium
Hold my beer...
Alex on Autos lol Alex ..
Alex on Autos hydrogen beer even 🧐
Love the video man got to say I'm sorry but I think the intro is bad now
Next video that intro will be a split second long.
What are the chances of being able to get one and have the infrastructure to live with it without hassle in Texas anytime soon?
Damn it, I thought I had 2x playback on.
Hydrogen with a plug is the obvious way for personal vehicles. The only reason Toyota and Hyundai don't do it is they want subsidies for hydrogen infrastructure and research.
Well you can't say he talking slow to stretch out the show for more ad moments.
it is included but it will cost you $15 for about 60 miles? that's not good.. hmm - anyway there's not hydrogen station in NY at all anyway.
The most crucial challenge for hydrogen, is that, the world has already chosen battery over hydrogen.
Not really. BEVs are 1% or less of the market from month to month in the USA. By this logic, we've already chosen diesel over electric because the sales are higher. The road to 90%+ renewable sources for driving vehicles is so incredibly long from this point that we don't really know what the end looks like. EV sales have had promise, but aside from Tesla, the entire EV segment has actually shrunk over the last few years.
Alex on Autos Thanks for your reply, Alex.
I commented that because the world isn’t just USA. Chinese passenger car market is growing up and expected to be the largest in the next 10 years? Here, BEV is chosen as the next step.
Another reason is that, worldwide, electricity achieves real ‘clean resource’ easier than hydrogen in terms of production.
Nikola is a pump-and-dump scam. I want hydrogen to succeed in extremely heavy vehicles like semi trucks, freight ships, trains, etc, but Nikola is a really bad example of that future.
What's up with the high pitched music? Add Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Steam reformation of natural gas is green house gas neutral so long as the natural gas is from organic decomposition (e.g. animal waste).
You are incorrect that fuel cells are less efficient well to wheels than battery electrics. Fuel cells are significantly more efficient than batteries well to wheel, because hydrogen consumes all the energy in the duck curve while BEVs waste 100% of that energy (because they charge at night and, in fact, cause gas turbines to run "more* at night and they actually increase pollution).
It depends on where you get your electricity from. I have yet to see a reputable study show H2 vehicles as having greater well-to-wheel efficiency
@@AAutoBuyersGuide absolutely, it depends on a renewable dominant grid (for at least 4 weeks a year) but why would we want to pursue a technology that makes renewable dominant grids incredibly inefficient?
Instead of being spoon fed, why not do a little research yourself about the dire need for storage in order to allow transition to renewable dominant grids, and the fact that a hydrogen fleet provides terabytes of flexible storage as a side effect of the implementation.
In the scenario of a renewable dominant grid hydrogen fuel cells are about 20% more efficient (globally) than battery electric vehicles.
of the time required to recharge. Once the hydrogen infrastructure is built i want it more
Noticed there was no tachometer. ?
The fuel cell doesn't spin ;-)
I really hope Hydrogen vehicles don't take off.
Electricity is ubiquitous. Having to produce, store, and distributing Hydrogen is tomorrows solution to yesterday's problem.
I think we are going to find that we end up in a multi-solution situation. For long distance over the road trucks, hydrogen certainly could make a hell of a lot more sense because of the weight savings. Batteries are heavy, and every pound of battery is a pound of cargo it cannot carry which reduces its efficiency.
But I think overall you are correct. Using energy to convert raw material into hydrogen, transporting it, then pumping it into a car to then use seems like an awful lot of steps when you could just take electricity directly. Also electricity can be generated via solar or other sources that are cleaner.
The advantage that liquid petroleum fuels have is that they have extremely high energy density, and are easily transported over pipe or in tanks.
fuelcellsworks.com/news/blue-world-technologies-signs-agreement-on-methanol-fuel-cells-with-chinese-ev-manufacturer-aiways/
Hydrogen is much better than going electric.
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Did u speed up opening music? Eeewww!!
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About charging simultaneously lots of EVs at the same time I believe it might be possible with big battery systems to support high demand to the grid located strategically in neighbourhoods the way Tesla superchargers are backed up by huge batteries.
On the one hand it looks like Tesla, Norway, China did commit themselves to promoting EVs and it just started to work which is proven by so many other carmarkers jumping on EV bandwagon as well as most coutries in Europe.
On the other hand in Hydrogen group are Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia, Japan, South Korea and California and Nikola if it is to be considered serious company.
It does not look like the second group did succeed in promotion of Hydrogen fuel technology so far.
Time will show how Hydrogen technology is going to catch up.
Can't people just make hydrogen fuel out of water?
We can create hydrogen fuel at home using this process possibly. If we can make an HHO Generator that can separate the hydrogen and oxygen from sea water, we can turn the hydrogen into fuel for hydrogen cars.
Use this video to learn how you can make an HHO Generator. th-cam.com/video/cqjn3mup1So/w-d-xo.html
15$ a kilo? no thanks!
if instead, they would put two 100kW motors and a 70-90kWh battery in it, it would sell like teslas