The whole "slowly changing what's considered normal to eventually get away with bad stuff" thing is too darn true and applies to way more than just the gaming industry. What a world we live in.
The most problematic part of normalization is that people KNOW it works. They know they can do it and it will most likely work no matter how angry some people get about it. The incentive and understanding is there and it's important to consider where to draw the line sooner rather than later.
Interesting, Slippery Slope Fallacy doesn't even apply to what you said. It only applies if there isn't enough sufficient information that would suggest any slippage. In gaming, we have Bethesda, EA, Activision...a ton of the AAA industry, really, as proof. And Nintendo, for many of us, has not only been one of our childhood sweethearts, it's also one of the few AAA gaming entities we haven't seen become...THAT. Nintendo commands a lot of respect because of that, and to lose that trust is foolish.
What is going on in that Man's head if he thinks a "EvErYoNe TaLkZ aBoUt mY gAmE, BuT nObOdY iZ bUyInG iT, sO nOw I'm MaD." Bullshit of a mindset was ok???!!
I think that all of this will push more people to emulation. I WANT to be able to pay Nintendo for their games, but when THEY are the ones refusing to sell me them, then what can I do? Not play the games? If Nintendo wants to curb emulating, then they shouldn't make it the only means to play certain games.
I was just about to comment this. I honestly would NOT be surprised that the reason why Nintendo is hoarding their legacy content is to prevent newer consumers from realizing the difference in quality from their old games compared to the newer ones. I'm not gonna blab about the emulator and rom sites I use but I fully support them. Plus, certain games like the older Pokemon games and Gamecube games have skyrocketed in price. I found a used copy of Thousand Year Door for $100 at my local game store that's not Gamestop. I mean...no. Just no.
I feel like this is a similar argument to bootleg broadway shows. By choosing to dig in their heels on the matter, people are forced to go about experiencing these things in any way possible. And if it means emulating or bootlegging, so be it. The demand is there so supply it, Nintendo and Broadway! 😤
I'd love to buy F-zero GX on my switch! But if nitendo won't capitalise on my willingness to pay money for it, the I guess I'd love to emulate F-Zero using dolphin on my laptop!
I would give anything to be able to play dragon quest 9 again, but it hasn't been rereleased at all and as such none of the people introduced to dragon quest through DQ11 and your story can't experience it without paying idiotic amounts for the original release of all games bar 1-3 and as such there's a huge demand to emulate 4-9 (10 is an mmo and 1-3 and 11 are actually accessible). In contrary, SO MANY people were introduced to the yakuza franchise through the cross platform release of zero and 7 so when 3-5 finally came to PC and xbox two days ago people like myself who were introduced through newer titles were incredibly happy to finally be able to play through the rest of Kiryu's story. At the end of the day (as a wise man once said) piracy/emulation is a service problem. If your game is online/hard to find, you are only going to lose money through people choosing to emulate instead.
*Gabe Newell* himself has literally said this before: *"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."* Nintendo should never blame their customers for an issue they decided to create and yet Nintendo is too stubborn to ever admit their wrongs let alone to even RIGHT their wrongs.
Its so frustrating and baffling. Why are they like this? Why cant we just get through to them and get clear answers? Literally everybody has the same opinion on topics like this yet they decide to just act like.. This. It is so frustrating.
It's because they are a Japanese-based company. Same thing with why Sony has garbage aspects about how they approach their customers on things as well. Microsoft is USA based and IT SHOWWWWWWWSSSS!!!!
@@IAmNotASandwich453 Apparently it's illegal (like prison time illegal) to even cosmetically modify your console in Japan. So take a fairly conservative company, throw in laws that make copyright even worse, and throw in a culture of the creator knows better than their customers... It makes sense
@@Icalasari Clarification, its illegal to sell tools that modify hardware or software (so save editors and modchips). The process of modding your own console is not illegal as long as you are not doing it to sell. www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/abqpqo/save_game_editors_and_console_modding_services/
@@Mizikame Since when is Microsoft any better? You do know they pretty much exist to just buy stuff out and make money right? (not putting any real shame on Microsoft, maybe your an Xbox fan or something, and if that's the case, all good for you, I just personally don't think Microsoft is an less scummy than a lot of other companies out there) Unless maybe I just completely misread your comment (wouldn't be surprised if I did, wouldn't be the first time.)
Imagine if a car company said that, or clothing, or the grocery store. We buy goods, we go our separate ways. 60 x however many millions of copy of Skyrim is enough money.
@@3kojimbles895 The translation is so good, in fact, that Shigesato Itoi himself says he feels like he doesn't need to localize it, and that Tomato's team were really faithful to Itoi's style.
That Todd Howard clip is so gross. What kind of game developer _complains_ that people are still playing a game they made _10_ _years_ _ago_ ? Any decent human being would be proud that they made such a beloved and time-less (for the moment) product. Instead, this asshole is like "buh where ma munee???"
Absolutely. So dismissive of the fans who supported him and his company. Also, people have been buying Skyrim over and over again...So his complaint is stupid. He's just mad he didn't think of exploitive online practices sooner.
Yup. Its impossible to run out of digital copies, but they intend to remove it from the store anyway. Gotta pump up those sales numbers with some good ol' fashioned artificial scarcity.
I understand when a server needs to be shut down or repurposed for something that is old and has a tiny playerbase, but the switch store is neither of those. And then you have something like Xbox Gamepass where they have put basically everything they own behind a subscription wall (basically the same as Netflix in its prime). Basically it makes you wonder why if Gamepass can let you play the original doom, quake, and basically any other game that Microsoft has aquired the rights to, why can't Nintendo switch online have access to all of Nintendo's old games as long as en emulator for the console works on switch hardware.
Something I've said many times: I wish Nintendo would just outright sell roms of their old games. I believe it would actually reduce piracy, and wouldn't really have any drawbacks.
@@Aimela136 Someone legit needs to call Nintendo out on this on the spot. I am ABSOLUTLEY sure that they wouldn't be able to give an answer why they can't release old games if they hate emulation. They are HYPOCRITES
@@Codman2241 That's why I hate the fact that a hybrid console has Nintendo's name on it. I play on the switch so I can easily play saints row IV without a PS3 or PS4. I love playing assassin's creed IV in the car or on my couch while my kids are watching Netflix. I don't care too much for their flagship games that I can easily readily buy. I like 3D All-Stars, however Mario odyssey is more engaging and superior. I see the importance behind the cornerstone 3D platformers, and the historical significance to them and will own it for that reason, but having them tigger my tennative FOMO to do so is wrong and the inevitability of the silent hope that they go under, because they need to be reminded of where they were, not increase their greed and anti consumer practices and artificial shortage. I agree with Arlo here.
That's probably exactly why they hate emulation. Their whole strategy of dripfeeding us ancient games for full price doesn't work if we flip them off and play all the games on modern hardware for free.
It's incredibly ironic that the game company that's putting in the most effort to get rid of emulation, are also putting in the least effort to provide their own alternative to it.
People need to remember piracy is a legitimate form of competition. Make your product better than piracy and people will stop pirating. We saw this with Netflix. It became easier and better than piracy, piracy took a huge drop, then everyone decided to get in on streaming and now piracy is skyrocketing.
@@ChaosTherum also if people love a product so much they will normally want to support the creators. And often people pirate when it's just so inconvenient to do it watch/play the product legally, and if doesn't end up supporting the creator anyway since it's an old second hand item.
I mean, him talking about how "Nintendo is gonna keep doing these limited releases" is already outdated. It was outdated before this video even came out because Doug Bowser already said limited releases will not be a reoccurring thing. Hopefully by March 30th he'll realize how much this video aged like milk when he finds out limited releases were not a long-term practice from Nintendo after all.
"Luckily Nintendo hasn't sunk this low." Maybe not on console, but on their mobile games they have no issue using these practices. They especially don't mind giving more attention to the mobile versions of games, like Mario Kart Tour, over their console versions to add more DLC and whatnot.
Not to mention the disgusting monetization of Fire Emblem Heroes. I wish Arlo brought this up, because, again, it's another step into bad business territory.
Yeah. It really annoys me to see just how much content Mario Kart tour is getting compared to the switch version. I don't demand free dlc, but at least give us the option for paid dlc
$tar$hackle totally. Eg, AC Pocket Camp vs. AC New Horizons. The fact that coming up to 4 years since its release, a mobile game is continuing to receive better content than a mainline, $60 game that isn’t even a year old is just baffling. And any mention of this or other shady business practices by Nintendo gets you shouted down by Nintendo bootlickers.
There's a good quote about online services and piracy. You're competing against free, so you need to be better than free. A lot of people say just pirate the games if you don't like Nintendo not selling them, but piracy requires work from people developing emulators, work to host the roms, and work to get them working on the users part. If Nintendo wants to combat piracy of their products, which they do, they need to provide a product that is better than free. Make it easy to get, make it work right without hassle, make it user friendly, and people will pay. This is not better than free. This is encouraging piracy.
Retro systems on NSO is a step in the right direction, but it's tiny cutesy baby steps... then again, even if they were striding forward, we'll probably never see a complete collection, due to licensing issues :(
not only is this not better than free, it's not even going to be competing in a month and a half and piracy will not only be the best option, but will be the only option
Yes but pirating in your sense isnt legal and even justified. If its for preserving games for the future yes. If its to pirate a game thats still being released or being sold or any other method when the console has still full support, then either way you put it you are doing something illegal and making the preserving of games more difficult since you are giving these big coorporations the means and data to prove why these emulators are hurting sales. Therefore giving them the power to one day outright ban and erase these sites and people that make them
Sorry for the stereotypical "back in MY day" schtick but honestly, I remember when the most exciting thing about video games was unlocking mysterious new content that was hidden away in the game through playing it and that was the EXTRA content that you got after going through the main game. These days they'll ask for my bank details if I want to change the hair colour of my character once.
This is partly due to the spread of the internet. Imagine hunting down all 900 Koroks in BOTW without a guide, or finding all 120 shrines. You wouldn't even know that 900 Koroks _was_ the max amount. What if it was 901? So you'd always, always, try things, and sometimes, they'd work. I 100% get your point though. A lot of stuff is no longer hidden behind clever things most players will never see, but hidden behind a paywall.
"Your day" really wasn't that long ago. Super Mario 3D Land is basically exactly what you just said; beat the first 8 worlds and drop Bowser into the lava, and 8 more worlds magically appear for you to play through!
As someone who has been tracking these practices since the infamous house armor of oblivion, it's great to see more people and youtubers are waking up to this
This video has to be one of the worst Arlo has made. Especially because gullible anti-Nintendo people like you will instantly believe him. Even though Doug Bowser said Nintendo was not going to do limited releases in the long term. You can shove your anti-Nintendo sentiments up your bum.
For some reason, I never thought of the possibility that they just don't want competition from their old games. It's so depressing thinking of the games they will never give us.
it's the least defensible thing he said (among all of the rest of the points which were quite sound) but I think it might be worth considering at least for paper mario. Even super paper mario was such a drastic shift from the original point, and since sticker star it's been such a different series that it makes me wonder what the reception would be if they did release paper mario 1 and/or 2, and people could see how the series started.
The funny thing is I thought about this just today. I was watching his review of Pokémon Sword and Shield and had to think about the older games in the series. It made me realise even more how they just seem to release new games every year for profit and not for the sake of making an actual good game. It would make a lot of sense for them wanting people to not compare the games I guess.. it's really sad if this is true and would show how they think about their newer releases as mentioned in the video
Agreed. But remakes. Of paper Mario 1-3 would sell and they could easy make games in that style. For some reason the just don't want to. Seems miyamoto is butthurt when some one else makes new charachter s in mario
Apparently Pokémon ensures they don’t make a better game so you pick the game based on the mechanics and way up the differences Not by making them all good but by adding and removing features at random
Come to think of it, that would explain why, when it comes to modern accessibility, the Gamecube is borderline completely untouched Like, I can really only name 3 Gamecube exclusive* games that were brought up, being Luigi's Mansion 1 onto the 3DS, and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess *[okay technically TP was on the Wii too, but it's always been more of a Gamecube game to me] onto the WiiU And speaking of the WiiU, between that and the 3DS, you had access to Nintendo's entire lineage...except the Gamecube [and the Virtual Boy but, y'know, it's the Virtual Boy] The WiiU had Virtual Console games for NES, SNES, N64, GBA, DS, and even Wii And the 3DS had Gameboy and GBC games And given that the WiiU and 3DS eShop are getting its plug pulled at the end of March, it really does feel like Nintendo is trying to snuff out competition with itself
“Money later means nothing, money now is everything” I kid you not right after that line I got an ad for a service that supposedly allows you to get part fo your wages earlier. They’re listening...
Nope Google is just targeting you on one of many algorithms, you might find one but thousands do still track your history wether you like it or not. Just because a video upload talks about philosophy and or science and diet, than you might get one ad for atheism and another for Jilly juice. That's why they know that this platform isn't truly acceptable for children without parental guidance. Than again parents that think that the TV is an alternative for a human being or guardian is insane. Nonetheless they can and will win any lawsuit pushed against them.
Imagine on March 31st, along with the games being removed digitally, the Nintendo Ninjas sneak into your house and take back your physical copy of Mario 3d All Stars
I don’t even understand how it benefits Nintendo. They would probably sell more copies over the rest of the Switch’s life cycle then they would just from the FOMO in these few months
@@Legoluigi26 I think people would still buy it, since it doesn't matter how much extra content there is if you just want to play the game for the first time and get the "original" experience
as arlo said, game studios often do stuff thats stupid in the long term, but in the short term makes them a lot of money because it makes their fiscal year look better
Too bad because 3D All-Stars sold 5 million units in 12 days, this is not going to stop anytime soon... If Prime Trilogy pulls this nonsense, I swear...
you might not *want* us to have access, but we can be pirates for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT*
To be fair,walt disney originally didn't want his movies on home video at ALL (thinking that if people could watch them at home,they had no reason to see them when they came back the theaters). The disney vault was kind of the middle ground for that: you can have it on video but only for a limited time and then you have to wait until next time. And hey,it worked.
@@JT5555 I'm not sure what's "to be fair" about it because at the end of the day it's a predatory practice from a company that already rakes in billions for putting out a single product.
@@JT5555 it’s more to do with the fact that they had more films than every other studio and feasibly couldn’t produce VHSs for all their films all the time. Putting a movie like Cinderella “in the vault” was different than the stuff in this video because there was no digital element and the movie was available for literally decades. They give you one last chance to buy it before ceasing production, as opposed to having a million VHSs sitting on shelves. If they tried this nowadays, it would be different. Edit: spelling
I can't for the life of me remember who (might've been Arlo in the legacy content video), but someone did point out that Nintendo used to be way more generous during the Wii U era because they needed to be if they wanted to keep their customers
@@Soumein no, It's totally different. PS2 succeeded. The first half of PS3 is bad. The latter is good. WiiU flopped. The first half of Switch is good, The latter is 😑
By doing limited releases or no releases at all, they're empowering piracy and emulation. Its basic supply and demand. If the demand exists, someone is going to step in to fill it. If Nintendo doesn't supply the older games, then someone else will.
As someone who has worked in a print archive, I'm seriously concerned about how the history of video games is being preserved - or rather, is not being. In 100 years time (the length of time that books are copyrighted for), how will people study the development of these games? If you can't even own the games, how can they be archived and kept?
Unfortunately, gaming historians are absolutely going to have to go trawling on piracy sites to get a lot of this stuff. Companies simply don't care about preserving art unless they can also make money off of it. I'm an artist myself and I absolutely support the right of artists to make a profit from their work (who doesn't want to make their art full time, come on!), but current copyright law is massively abused by large corporations and actively hampers archival efforts. I bet nowadays, Nintendo would censor KK Slider's line where he gives you a bootleg of his CD because he doesn't believe in 'industry fatcats putting a price on my music'.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. There are plenty of people in hacker communities that care deeply about preservation, including more obscure stuff and put in a lot of effort to archive it. So it may not be strictly legal to access some of gaming's history, but I'm sure it will still be /available/.
@@karmiya-plays K.K. Still mentions the song being a bootleg in New Horizons, but he doesn't mention his distaste for big industries, but at least he gives it for free
Just a note: the Disney vault wasn’t conceived specifically to capitalise on the fear of missing out. It’s actual reason for existing isn’t any better but i’m someone who cares way too much about entertainment history so i’m gonna tell ya’. The Disney Vault was created to combat the fear by the executives that putting out their animated films on VHS would diminish returns when they rereleased those movies in theatres (which they did on a 10 year cycle as it was also a way of keeping the characters and stories relevant to new generations). The reason behind those theatrical reissues stems from 1944 where the company released Snow White again which basically saved them from going under during World War 2. Only a handful of movies were ever included in the Disney vault (16 to be exact, with the last film added being the Lion King) while the other movies were all widely available. Then it kind of took on a life of its own, basically becoming a brand itself, which is where those advertisements came from. Like I said, still a terrible anti-consumer practice, but it was born out of what felt like a necessity for the people in suits who felt releasing the movies to home video would be a significant risk to the business strategies they had relied on for decades.
Indeed. Disney did indeed benefit from FOMO as the Vault policy continued into the Eisner years and beyond (which I believe is what the commercials Arlo showed were specifically angling for), but the policy was created for an unrelated reason; indeed, it's arguable that the Disney Vault was one of the early concepts that seeded the modern idea of FOMO as we see it in media companies.
Love when someone shares the facts. I like watching Arlo’s essays, but every once in a while he shares a point that’s uninformed that diminishes his overall message.
As a fair use/preservation junkie, it's horrifying to see that games- already a commodity that can somewhat easily be removed without warning- being a limited release just bothers me.
The slippery slope fallacy is only a fallacy if it cannot be demonstrated to be relevant. When it comes to video game publishers and anti-consumer greed, Arlo’s argument is unfortunately not a fallacy at all. I am worried about fomo being a standard selling tool by publishers in the future.
Honestly in most cases the "Slippery slope fallacy" is hardly a fallacy at all and it shouldn't even be called one in general. Its usually just basic cause and effect predictions.
@@jeromealday614 if you have to chose between buying a game from a reseller because Nintendo doesn’t make it anymore or emulating it, it doesn’t matter. Nintendo doesn’t make money either way
In Mexico is well known that you buy nintendo consoles to hack em. Nintendo expects us to pay like $80 for a new game when with that you can get like 6 months of Xbox Live Ultimate or like 4 PS4 Exclusive games on a sale The switch is too expensive for an underpowered tegra
@@jeromealday614 Is it really stealing if it’s a copy Nintendo isn’t getting money from anymore, and you’re not taking it from anyone because it’s online? 🤔
The Nintendo limited releases kind of reminds me of when Disney had all their old movies in a vault that they would only let you buy every so often. The way Disney made their subscription based streaming service and hypes it up by having the vault open, might be something Nintendo does in the future to make a ton of money. edit: lol I said this before Arlo mentioned it.
Immediately thought of the Disney vault too before Arlo got to that metaphor. It was heartbreaking for me as a young teen to want to get my favorite childhood movies which would already be hard to get living in a developing country and not being able to find it for less than a fortune. Ridiculous.
Remember when Nintendo made three different Fire Emblem games at once? Remember how they made a special edition cart with all three games on it you could only get as a pre-release? Remember the normal release involving two games being on separate carts then the third as dlc? When all three could have just been one massive amazing Fire Emblem game on one cart but was instead cut into three... This tiger remembers.
Oh, I remember because that was the first (and only) time I'd ever pre-ordered a game. Granted, it was for the mini art book (as it would be four more years before a true art book was released), but it was always stupid to me that they couldn't just sell the ultimate version of the game for $90.
But wasn't only Birthright and Conquest on the cartridge and Relevation was a free download code? 🤔 (Also don't forget the DLC was around 50$). I'm pretty sure FE Fates/if would be less hated in the FE fandom if they wouldn't locked almost everything of the game behind a paywall (in the normal release).
@@obnoxious_alien No, Revelation was on the cartridge. It was the only way you could play it day 1. I remember because I beat Conquest in about 2 days and immediately started Revelation before my friends could even download it. FE fans don't hate Fates because of the paywalls- if that was an issue, Shadows of Valentia would be the most hated game in the series, what with all the crappy dlc literally costing more than the base game. No, FE fans just don't like Fates because it was the first "mainstream" game. They whine about fanservice the "anime art style" and bad writing, but those things exist in nearly every FE game.
I’ve lost a lot of interest in Nintendo over time. The joycon issue, the lack of rereleases of games I want to play, and other issues have kind of had me put my switch down and stick more to just PC games. I really would like to play both N64 Zeldas in their original form on my switch, as well as the first two paper Mario games. The only way I can potentially do those things are emulators. What’s also frustrating is Nintendo is heavily anti-emulator...without providing an alternative. If I could play Mario Party 2 or 3 with my friends on the switch, why would I use an emulator plus other internet software?
To not see these two zeldagames rereleased in any way in current day is really upsetting. The wiiu vc of the n64 originals is ass and with the 3ds being dead, the remakes will slowly but surely fall into obsurity outside of emulation.
i hate that nintendo has probably the best game designer's, musicians, story writers and idfk what more for games. but the fucking shittiest people for pr and stuff.
You know who doesn't have to deal with this anti-consumer nonsense? The Pirates. It makes no sense to me why you would make it so hard to buy your product, people always will turn to pirating it.
Piracy is a terrible practice that harms the pirates. Example: everyone pirates games instead of buying them, so companies can no longer invest as much into making the best games they can. Then the pirates stop playing games. Just fucking buy the game instead of trying to be edgy
@@jakedematteo2172 I can see where you're coming from, and yeah, that would make sense for new games like Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, etc. Don't pirate those games, go ahead and buy them. This is about older games. Games that have been off the market for awhile now. A copy of Super Smash Bros. Melee goes for about $220 nowadays, and that number is only going to get higher as the years go by. And who is that money going to? Not Nintendo. Just some guy on Ebay. That's what I don't get about this. Nintendo has the opportunity to sell their old games all over again, and people will buy them because they love those games and want to play them. So why aren't they?
@@jakedematteo2172 I want to play Paper Mario, the og one for the N64. I do not own this game. I do not own an N64, or any of the accessories that might come with it. If I wanted to own this, I would have to go onto eBay or Kijiji and buy it off someone else. Nintendo wouldn't see a dime of money from me if I did this. Nintendo sees the same amount of money if I legally bought it vs if I pirated it, the only difference is pirating gives me more sense of security that my hardware won't give out, since the N64 is around two decades old. There's an argument to be made for not pirating modern games, I won't say there isn't, but to say to never pirate ever because game companies won't make games? That's silly. ALSO, a lot of pirates would 100% buy the game if they had access to it! Keyword: *if*. A lot of pirates would love to support developers of games if they had access to said games. I first played pokemon Sapphire on a phone emulator. What did I do when Alpha Sapphire came out? I bought it officially, so that I could play the game on hardware meant for it and enjoy it properly. A lot of pirated games are for older consoles that aren't produced anymore. Not every pirate is like that, obviously, but a lot that I've met are.
I completely, thoroughly agree. Not to mention, this doesn't benefit Nintendo whatsoever. It limits the amount of sales they can get, and encourages piracy of these games, because they're basically dedicating themselves to provide no alternative.
Those are free mobile games, they need to turn up a profit. He was obviously talking about the garbage double dippers that charge entry fee and only continue trying to fleece you.
You joke about that, but Twitch VODs are only available for some time. There are tons of content that have already been lost because of that, and it's just... normal.
@@TheLK641 I think that's acceptable given how much content is produced daily on twitch, unless they spend much resources on servers to store old content like TH-cam, But I don't think that's their focus, they are more focused on the "live" aspect and "being there in the moment".
Another scummy business practice that is becoming the norm nowadays are releasing games before they are fully finished such as Battlefront and Cyberpunk, then adding new content ‘disguised’ as DLC
@@modelomegatyler Ehhh SWSH are a weird case. The games barely had postcontent but the DLC feels like DLC and not post content and are different to the base game. So its just weird mesh of things.
It actually was a limited hair style, available only until December 25th of 2020. Arlo probably wasn't able to keep paying scientists to create cells above his skull, plus using pigments with a different color than most of the pigments on his other cells, so when Arlo's money ran out, the scientist wouldn't keep working and eventually the red Christmas hair vanished from existance. Of course, Arlo's money ran out because he bought all of Super Mario 3D All Star's and Star Link's copies before 2021 even started.
Honestly it also explains Nintendo's stance on emulation and fan games. I recently joined the super mario rewind discord and someone had noted that Nintendo seems to be fine with completely original fan games but is insanely aggressive against remakes. Nintendo doesnt want you to be able to play its legacy content unless it's on their terms.
@@AlienDemonKing mindless? I thought this way about artificial scarcity long before Arlo's channel was a thing. What is your position? Do you believe corporations in the gaming industry should move over to this trend following loot boxes and battle passes falling off?
Their decision to do this with Fire Emblem was scummy in particular considering the game was never released outside of Japan They are literally dangling something as rare as that in front of you and ripping it away once the arbitrary month of March passes
Not just that, but the way that the announcement kept presenting it as the only way to experience the original story and all that in the west; deliberately ignoring that the game had a DS remake in 2009 that had a worldwide release. There's no other way to describe that except deliberately trying to further create FOMO.
not only that, but are they too dumb to understand that some big-hearted nerd wil buy that game, and make it emulatable so that we dont have to use unoficcial localisation? guess what nintendo, not all heroes are world-known
a few months ago in an interview, doug bowser said that limited run games will not be a business model nintendo will stick with. hopefully, he's right.
"we wanted to celebrate in unique & different ways" right as they announce fire emblem is also limited run... Sorry but this practice is here to stay. Everyone bought 3D all stars and these same people who complained about the practice will still buy the Zelda anniversary anyway.
I feel like the most egregious part of 3D all stars is that it’s being sold during a time where a lot of people are strapped for cash due to the current circumstances.
Perhaps that is why it’s limited. Nindy didn’t make any real system sellers in 2020 past origami king. Most of their games where for those who already have switches given that the big titles was a port and a spin-off. Nothing that would prompt people to get switches because COVID hit nindy’s hardware production more than anything else.
@@TheAuralius Uh, ACNH is the second or third best selling game on the system lol. And I mean it wasn’t first party but Age of Calamity was a huge success. So I’d say it’s important to consider that too
Well they are communistic with that mentality. They want to control our fun and how we have it. Ultimately why I don't buy Nintendo's flagship games that often.
@@astracrits4633 - True. After all, it was Bethesda's Todd Howard who expressed annoyance at the idea of people still playing and enjoying Skyrim without him getting any richer off of it. Why else would they try so hard to charge people to use mods? They're not happy just releasing a single player game out into the world any more. They want games that they can use to bleed their users dry for years until it falls out of relevance.
Ok i just researched why they did this... it is a buisness choice for nintendo to see if the game was going to do well or not. the switch was starting it's reign with it selling so many copy's nintendo hid in their Koopa shell and made the game limited as a buisness decision to make enough switch sales and game sales and from the looks it worked but i am still sad the game is leaving soon
@@naimrancier8197 It's hard to think that it's that simple, but it could be just that. Nintendo is an enigma of a company. Can't get a read on it, ever.
i used to be so thrown off by the puppet persona when i first discovered the channel but now im so immersed in it its almost scary 😂 like i sometimes just forget the fact that he _isnt_ a blue talking furry monster
I can picture the droves of money Nintendo would make of making trilogy collections for a ton of titles, and updating the price for NSO but adding N64 and beyond games, it's so easy it boggles the mind why they don't do that
Nintendo later this year be like: “Make sure you get the Xenosaga Collection before May 2nd!” “Make sure you get the Metroid Prime Collection before June 1st!” “Make sure you get Bowser’s Big Bean Burrito Remastered before September 30th!”
Nintendo could easily keep Mario 35 alive without spending a penny by letting fans host severs or having bot support, I could see Mario 35 being very popular for years, if they made a version for phones and maybe even PCs (if it was on PC it would be easier to make reliable sever hosting software) heck most games are more easily preserved on PCs.
Not really. There 3 old games that you had nearly a year to buy. If you can't come up with $60 in a year for a game then you shouldn't be playing games.
@@AlienDemonKing 1) if someone has an off year, that sucks. But if I’m dirt poor one year, but work hard and get promoted, so the next year I can start buying video games again, then yes I can play video games AND afford it. 2) I think he was talking about legacy content as a whole, which goes beyond 3D all stars anyways.
@@AlienDemonKing "nearly a year" So now 6 months = 1 year? Don't forget, people were having a hard time this year with money thanks to the virus. $60 for this game is also ridiculous. At most, $50 for this collection.
Nintendo's behavior in recent years itself is the petition, it would seem. Something myself and many other of his fans like about him is his passionate honesty about things both good and bad. If Nintendo continues making anti-consumer decisions, Arlo will continue to vocalize his frustrations and concerns.
Man, I don’t know if anyone here was around for him, but what you’re saying about anti-consumer practices reminds me a lot of the things Totalbiscuit used to say. He was a huge advocate for power to consumers and I greatly appreciate you talking about this issue. Keep it up Arlo!
Mega man legacy collections: available for a while Master chief collection: available for a while Rare replay: available for a while 3D All-stars: since it’s for the anniversary it has to be limited release?
Dang, so much truth spoken in this video. It makes me see this issue in several new ways even though I already thought limited time stuff was a bad idea. Unfortunately, I think we may be in store for more of this sort of thing and then some. The leadership of Furukawa/Bowser seems to be far more corporate-minded than Iwata/Fils-Aime, and I'm hoping they don't undo a lot of the good Nintendo has done through the years as a brand.
Honestly makes me miss Iwata and Reggie so much more now, they made Nintendo feel as if it had its own personality, but I don't get those vibes from Furukawa or Bowser. I wish they put focus on Koizumi being that kind of face for Nintendo as he seems to be the kind of guy that could deliver on that.
I think a really bad thing could also be that Nintendo ends up keeping the games on sale past March. Because it means that it was all a lie to sell copies quickly before the fiscal year ended. This is bad, there’s no way they can fix this situation.
I’m not gonna lie, I was really excited about the 3D All Stars Pack, a chance to play my favorite Mario game, Galaxy, on the go with two other well regarded games, it was a dream come true. Then the limited release was part of it? Okay, annoying but not a deal breaker. Limited digital release, weird but still not terrible? The actual product having very little extra content for an anniversary pack, and having shoddy emulation issues? That’s what tore it for me, and why I still don’t have a copy, it just feels... scummy.
I had never played 64 or Sunshine. Only Galaxy on the Wii. So I was very excited when I got the collection and I'm still glad I bought it. But they really should have added a little something extra. Also limited releases are stupid.
@@Wave9990 adding extra content doesn’t make much sense when the point of the collection was to sell you old games in their original form. also you got quite a lot of content for the price (if you never played the games before that is) i’m not defending what Nintendo did with it, just stating my personal opinion
@@ultimate9057 check out KingK's video about how the collection is pretty poor compared to how other companies' collections are, both financially and content wise. He specifically talks about how it disregards the preservation arguments for it too. Nothing wrong with enjoying it of course, but we should know when we're being exploited, you know? th-cam.com/video/U7ggERRZR3Y/w-d-xo.html
I really don't mind "limited Collector's Editions" all too much. If they were to add a few extra doodads to the physical versions and ONLY take those off of store shelves on March 31st, then I would sort be of okay with it, (preferably if the digital version was only $30.) But removing the digital version is just inexcusable to me.
Love love love this. Glad to finally hear your full thoughts. What got me was the comparison to the Disney vault. Feels so similar to that it's sickening. Hoping for the best and that these videos help spread the word to others and maybe even Nintendo. Would love to see other vids like this. I don't mind seeing the critical eye of Arlo.
Critical thought requires one to have the freedom to be just that: critical. Just because you find fault with something or someone doesn’t mean that you hate it or have some prejudice against it. The real bigots are those who are too tied up in their fandom, party membership, tribalism, or whatever to appreciate this.
The situation for me feels really conflicting. On one hand I really do enjoy 3D All-Stars but I really don't agree with the business practice and after the controversy they had in December, it almost feels like theirs 2 sides that everyone is put in. One side of supporting Nintendo and being labeled as a blind follower or going against Nintendo and being labeled a hater. I'm not sure if anyone else feels this way but that's how it feels to me.
I know what you mean. I vocally criticized the false advertising that surrounded Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity, and even though I'm a fan of The Legend of Zelda and I wasn't criticizing the game's quality, I still got labelled as a hater by a lot of commenters (though thankfully a lot more commenters were in agreement with me).
@@pippo17173 Nintendo kept describing the game in all their marketing as a direct prequel to Breath of the Wild that would have the player experience the events of the Great Calamity; they never said the exact word "prequel" but there are many ways to claim, "this game is a prequel" without using the word "prequel" and Nintendo used almost every single way there is. They marketed the game as having content that it doesn't have; how is that not something to call them out on? Even now, Nintendo's website for the game is still blatantly lying.
@@jakedematteo2172 Piracy is a service problem. If you don’t give an adequate enough way to consume a company’s product then the consumer will go elsewhere.
I've recently been looking for legitimate ways to play old Nintendo games since I have a Wii with backwards compatibility but Wii games are a little over base price and don't get me started on GameCube games I'm not paying 100 dollars for something like that.
I find limited releases to be also INCREDIBLY insulting to consumers. "Hey sheep, I mean people, buy this game now before it's gone! How could you possibly live on if you missed out on it?!" ... then again, they still work, so... Man, this world is trash.
Do these companies realize that this does not combat piracy at all? I can get these games with just a few google searches and they'll be there for longer than this collection, lmao.
@@jakedematteo2172 Why would it? Emulation does not harm anyone, especially not the consumer that enjoys playing old ass games, that nobody is selling anymore. Plus, without Emulation and Rom Dumps, a HUGE Chunk of games would be forever "lost" now. Emulation is propably the best thing, that ever happened to the gaming community.
Yeah... No... Gaming is hardwired into the global culture now, humans play more games than read books. The gaming Industry is making more money every year, esport is growing as well. Why should it ever crash? It will never crash. It's grip will only grow tighter, and in the future the succesful adoption of sophisticated mixed reality technology will bind humans to live in that environment forever. All this is just the beginning. Small steps.
@@rollinontheboard the deep end is when people purposely go into virtual reality and make them forget the outside as a form of escapsim, living these virtual games as their new reality and writing weird comments in a virtual youtube comment section, only to wake back up out of it after they get hit by a truck when the are 56 years old. Wake up.
I have a STRONG feeling that these practices, as well as almost all legacy content being locked behind a subscription service and not for download, is a decision made by investors and higher-up seeing how much their legacy content has increased in value on second market. By limiting access to their esteemed legacy content, they can resell their old games for increased prices each time, even mario all stars is a fairly unreasonable price compared to past legacy rereleases. Artificial scarcity is not foreign to nintendo, and I get a sence that they are now starting to keep their whole legacy library under that scarcity. It's not a short-sighted FOMO, but maybe a project to get back to a place where they can sell a single legacy game for 40 dollars and upwards. This also would make sence of their huge grudge against emulation and fangames that try to recreate the wonder of past nintendo games. These things don't cut into their bottom line, but will devalue their legacy content, which they seem to be holding under lock and key this generation.
Hard agree. Nintendo is playing the stock wizard but it will blow in their face the moment the crowd starts losing interest in the switch and their next console will likely be a Wii U scenario
Meanwhile, my computer is loaded with Dolphin & OpenEmu with about 200+ downloaded games asking "if companies aren't gonna play fair, then why should I?" I also find it funny that the Scott Pilgrim Game is making its return this year as part of an anniversary as all this is happening.
Scott Pilgrim's re-release is like poetic justice. I mean, it doesn't actually fix the fact that Nintendo is doing these shitty things, but it is definitely a pleasant surprise.
These sorts of scummy practices are one of the few reasons I can't fully condemn digi-pirates - in some markets, piracy is more user friendly and empowering, it's such a weird way of regulating their market so as to drive their former law-abiding customers into the arms of dodgy pirates... "self-destructive" indeed!
For indie developers, releasing pirated editions can be a fantastic marketing tactic too! I forgot the name of it, but there was a roguelike released into The Pirate Bay by it's dev, and that ended up garnering it a lot of attention. It allows users to experience it, and support it if they enjoy it AND are able to. Everyone's been a kid, unable to afford things that they want after all.
I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, the mobile market is a whole different beast, it's much more expected in that culture. That said, it can still be hard seeing a company like Nintendo thought to have more integrity than its competition making such decisions.
@@majorhoolahan they started very well, mario run had a great business model at start, but then they suddenly start to become very shady on mobile in general. Doug Bowser also doesn't give much hope, he never says anything meaningful (more like doug BOO ahhhh...nevermind...). Moreover, other issues like the joycon drift is STILL unresolved. I don't agree with the mentality that "because it's mobile, it's ok to be bad". That's the exact reason why it never changes. Like Arlo always says, "it's not like they want money, they want ALL the money". We can't separate Nintendo mobile from Nintendo console. Both are the same and both are having issues. Nintendo since the success of switch has been just downhill on consumer friendly practices, they deserve all the critics until they start doing something to address them.
@@magicalcapi9148 Aye, good points. I realize now how much it sounded like I was rationalizing or defending bad practice. I think I ended up with that idea because I already have low expectations of mobile games in general (in both practices and overall quality).
The limited release is dumb. My experience growing up I couldn't get games until they went on sale. With limited releases they stay at the sticker price for the full duration so the people who can't afford it don't have a way to own it. No one resell games at a discount anymore so the games get scalped. Either way the consumer loses and the company isn't effected in the least.
Nintendo in March 2021: “Do you like Mario, and all the cool stuff we gave you last September?” Fans: “Yeah!” Nintendo: “Well, everything’s going away this month, no reason, we just felt like it!” Fans: ..........excuse me what...
The whole "slowly changing what's considered normal to eventually get away with bad stuff" thing is too darn true and applies to way more than just the gaming industry. What a world we live in.
Yup
Sadly this behavior isn't at all new and has been going on for thousands of years of human history
The most problematic part of normalization is that people KNOW it works. They know they can do it and it will most likely work no matter how angry some people get about it. The incentive and understanding is there and it's important to consider where to draw the line sooner rather than later.
Interesting, Slippery Slope Fallacy doesn't even apply to what you said. It only applies if there isn't enough sufficient information that would suggest any slippage. In gaming, we have Bethesda, EA, Activision...a ton of the AAA industry, really, as proof. And Nintendo, for many of us, has not only been one of our childhood sweethearts, it's also one of the few AAA gaming entities we haven't seen become...THAT. Nintendo commands a lot of respect because of that, and to lose that trust is foolish.
Oof.
“I wrote a book and I’m mad that a decade later people don’t have to pay every time they reread their hard copy”
Well put
thank goodness, that is some bullshit why even support that mentality, it will lead to nothing good especially for the consumer
What is going on in that Man's head if he thinks a "EvErYoNe TaLkZ aBoUt mY gAmE, BuT nObOdY iZ bUyInG iT, sO nOw I'm MaD." Bullshit of a mindset was ok???!!
Bethesda is shit
Bethesda's leader is just an example of how people can be infected by the privileged fatprick syndrome.
I think that all of this will push more people to emulation. I WANT to be able to pay Nintendo for their games, but when THEY are the ones refusing to sell me them, then what can I do? Not play the games? If Nintendo wants to curb emulating, then they shouldn't make it the only means to play certain games.
I was just about to comment this. I honestly would NOT be surprised that the reason why Nintendo is hoarding their legacy content is to prevent newer consumers from realizing the difference in quality from their old games compared to the newer ones. I'm not gonna blab about the emulator and rom sites I use but I fully support them. Plus, certain games like the older Pokemon games and Gamecube games have skyrocketed in price. I found a used copy of Thousand Year Door for $100 at my local game store that's not Gamestop. I mean...no. Just no.
Limiting availability of products to customers encourages all kinds of piracy.
I feel like this is a similar argument to bootleg broadway shows. By choosing to dig in their heels on the matter, people are forced to go about experiencing these things in any way possible. And if it means emulating or bootlegging, so be it. The demand is there so supply it, Nintendo and Broadway! 😤
I'd love to buy F-zero GX on my switch! But if nitendo won't capitalise on my willingness to pay money for it, the I guess I'd love to emulate F-Zero using dolphin on my laptop!
I would give anything to be able to play dragon quest 9 again, but it hasn't been rereleased at all and as such none of the people introduced to dragon quest through DQ11 and your story can't experience it without paying idiotic amounts for the original release of all games bar 1-3 and as such there's a huge demand to emulate 4-9 (10 is an mmo and 1-3 and 11 are actually accessible). In contrary, SO MANY people were introduced to the yakuza franchise through the cross platform release of zero and 7 so when 3-5 finally came to PC and xbox two days ago people like myself who were introduced through newer titles were incredibly happy to finally be able to play through the rest of Kiryu's story. At the end of the day (as a wise man once said) piracy/emulation is a service problem. If your game is online/hard to find, you are only going to lose money through people choosing to emulate instead.
*Gabe Newell* himself has literally said this before: *"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem."*
Nintendo should never blame their customers for an issue they decided to create and yet Nintendo is too stubborn to ever admit their wrongs let alone to even RIGHT their wrongs.
Its so frustrating and baffling. Why are they like this? Why cant we just get through to them and get clear answers? Literally everybody has the same opinion on topics like this yet they decide to just act like.. This. It is so frustrating.
It's because they are a Japanese-based company. Same thing with why Sony has garbage aspects about how they approach their customers on things as well. Microsoft is USA based and IT SHOWWWWWWWSSSS!!!!
@@IAmNotASandwich453 Apparently it's illegal (like prison time illegal) to even cosmetically modify your console in Japan. So take a fairly conservative company, throw in laws that make copyright even worse, and throw in a culture of the creator knows better than their customers...
It makes sense
@@Icalasari Clarification, its illegal to sell tools that modify hardware or software (so save editors and modchips). The process of modding your own console is not illegal as long as you are not doing it to sell. www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/abqpqo/save_game_editors_and_console_modding_services/
@@Mizikame Since when is Microsoft any better? You do know they pretty much exist to just buy stuff out and make money right? (not putting any real shame on Microsoft, maybe your an Xbox fan or something, and if that's the case, all good for you, I just personally don't think Microsoft is an less scummy than a lot of other companies out there)
Unless maybe I just completely misread your comment (wouldn't be surprised if I did, wouldn't be the first time.)
"Millions of people playing this game... and we have no touch point with them"
Make a new game then Todd? What the fuck?
Apparently he doesn't know that DLC is a thing.
Exactly lmao
But it's not like he even wants a touch point with the customer he just wants a touch point with their wallet
Honestly at this rate the next Elder Scrolls game is going to be screwed up with this mindset
Imagine if a car company said that, or clothing, or the grocery store. We buy goods, we go our separate ways. 60 x however many millions of copy of Skyrim is enough money.
Surprise twist: Nintendo actually localized Mother 3 but it’s only available at Best Buy for 20 minutes
20million units sold in those 20 minutes
Bold of you to assume they localized it. They’re just selling a Japanese rom file for $60.
@@lantcm613 They’ll sell an empty switch case with a code to download the Japanese rom file
@@lantcm613 people literally gave them an amazing translation
@@3kojimbles895 The translation is so good, in fact, that Shigesato Itoi himself says he feels like he doesn't need to localize it, and that Tomato's team were really faithful to Itoi's style.
That Todd Howard clip is so gross. What kind of game developer _complains_ that people are still playing a game they made _10_ _years_ _ago_ ? Any decent human being would be proud that they made such a beloved and time-less (for the moment) product. Instead, this asshole is like "buh where ma munee???"
A game that, mind you, is re-released and bought in every platform that comes out.
Absolutely. So dismissive of the fans who supported him and his company. Also, people have been buying Skyrim over and over again...So his complaint is stupid. He's just mad he didn't think of exploitive online practices sooner.
"People are still playing our old games, but we can't make money off of them! That means we actually have to make new games!"
Todd Howard needs to go back to the Chess Club. That dork.
But Todd Howard is NOT a decent human being.
"while supplies last" they say for a downloadable title...lol
It’ll be removed from the shop as well.
Yup. Its impossible to run out of digital copies, but they intend to remove it from the store anyway. Gotta pump up those sales numbers with some good ol' fashioned artificial scarcity.
@@orwellianson That’s not a matter of supply. It’s just Nintendo arbitrarily removing it.
@@MasterfulPeon I know.
I understand when a server needs to be shut down or repurposed for something that is old and has a tiny playerbase, but the switch store is neither of those.
And then you have something like Xbox Gamepass where they have put basically everything they own behind a subscription wall (basically the same as Netflix in its prime). Basically it makes you wonder why if Gamepass can let you play the original doom, quake, and basically any other game that Microsoft has aquired the rights to, why can't Nintendo switch online have access to all of Nintendo's old games as long as en emulator for the console works on switch hardware.
At this point the 1st of april joke theory is the most optimistic future
Even though this is a joke I can only imagine how much backlash that would get :D
Where's the Yoshi armor DLC?
And it's funny because that's somehow an even WORSE look for Nintendo.
Mario 3D All Stars Good Ending: April Fools!
LOL
They really are a “two steps forward, one step back and just a random jump to the left for no reason” type of company.
More like 1 step forward and 19 steps back.
That sounds *horrible* I can't even *picture* what would make them take such a *rocky* path.
We all need to start telling nintendo how we feel with our wallet , if people keep buying they have no reason to stop.
And then a step to the ri-i-i-i-i-ite.
Sorry, can't say jump to the left without that happening.
More like 20 steps forward, no steps back
Nintendo: "We hate Pirating and Roms...
But we are never going to release old games ever again"
Me: 🤨
Something I've said many times: I wish Nintendo would just outright sell roms of their old games. I believe it would actually reduce piracy, and wouldn't really have any drawbacks.
@@Aimela136 Someone legit needs to call Nintendo out on this on the spot. I am ABSOLUTLEY sure that they wouldn't be able to give an answer why they can't release old games if they hate emulation. They are HYPOCRITES
@@Codman2241
That's why I hate the fact that a hybrid console has Nintendo's name on it. I play on the switch so I can easily play saints row IV without a PS3 or PS4. I love playing assassin's creed IV in the car or on my couch while my kids are watching Netflix. I don't care too much for their flagship games that I can easily readily buy. I like 3D All-Stars, however Mario odyssey is more engaging and superior. I see the importance behind the cornerstone 3D platformers, and the historical significance to them and will own it for that reason, but having them tigger my tennative FOMO to do so is wrong and the inevitability of the silent hope that they go under, because they need to be reminded of where they were, not increase their greed and anti consumer practices and artificial shortage. I agree with Arlo here.
That's probably exactly why they hate emulation. Their whole strategy of dripfeeding us ancient games for full price doesn't work if we flip them off and play all the games on modern hardware for free.
They don't hate emulation and roms. They just hate when anyone except them uses these things.
It's incredibly ironic that the game company that's putting in the most effort to get rid of emulation, are also putting in the least effort to provide their own alternative to it.
"hey Nintendo, can we pay you to play these old games on our current hardware?" "No" "okay" *proceeds to emulate the games* "How DARE you?!"
People need to remember piracy is a legitimate form of competition. Make your product better than piracy and people will stop pirating. We saw this with Netflix. It became easier and better than piracy, piracy took a huge drop, then everyone decided to get in on streaming and now piracy is skyrocketing.
@@ChaosTherum also if people love a product so much they will normally want to support the creators. And often people pirate when it's just so inconvenient to do it watch/play the product legally, and if doesn't end up supporting the creator anyway since it's an old second hand item.
Sony is pretty bad.... and equally as shitty with their legacy content
@@Matanumi they’re a Japanese company too so that shouldn’t be that surprising
Wouldn't be funny if Arlo actually deleted this video by March 30th
Too soon
Don't give Zane the Hackerman ideas (Miight have read the comment to fast but i'm keeping my dumb joke up)
I mean, him talking about how "Nintendo is gonna keep doing these limited releases" is already outdated. It was outdated before this video even came out because Doug Bowser already said limited releases will not be a reoccurring thing. Hopefully by March 30th he'll realize how much this video aged like milk when he finds out limited releases were not a long-term practice from Nintendo after all.
@@theinimitablejora522 memento mori
Exactly what I'm thinking 🤭
"Luckily Nintendo hasn't sunk this low."
Maybe not on console, but on their mobile games they have no issue using these practices. They especially don't mind giving more attention to the mobile versions of games, like Mario Kart Tour, over their console versions to add more DLC and whatnot.
Not to mention the disgusting monetization of Fire Emblem Heroes. I wish Arlo brought this up, because, again, it's another step into bad business territory.
Yeah. It really annoys me to see just how much content Mario Kart tour is getting compared to the switch version. I don't demand free dlc, but at least give us the option for paid dlc
Do you not understand economics at all?
$tar$hackle totally. Eg, AC Pocket Camp vs. AC New Horizons. The fact that coming up to 4 years since its release, a mobile game is continuing to receive better content than a mainline, $60 game that isn’t even a year old is just baffling. And any mention of this or other shady business practices by Nintendo gets you shouted down by Nintendo bootlickers.
@@DavetheRave35 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 so your mom dropped you on your head right?
There's a good quote about online services and piracy. You're competing against free, so you need to be better than free. A lot of people say just pirate the games if you don't like Nintendo not selling them, but piracy requires work from people developing emulators, work to host the roms, and work to get them working on the users part. If Nintendo wants to combat piracy of their products, which they do, they need to provide a product that is better than free. Make it easy to get, make it work right without hassle, make it user friendly, and people will pay. This is not better than free. This is encouraging piracy.
Retro systems on NSO is a step in the right direction, but it's tiny cutesy baby steps... then again, even if they were striding forward, we'll probably never see a complete collection, due to licensing issues :(
Hey that's actually kinda smart
Super brain.
not only is this not better than free, it's not even going to be competing in a month and a half and piracy will not only be the best option, but will be the only option
Yes but pirating in your sense isnt legal and even justified. If its for preserving games for the future yes. If its to pirate a game thats still being released or being sold or any other method when the console has still full support, then either way you put it you are doing something illegal and making the preserving of games more difficult since you are giving these big coorporations the means and data to prove why these emulators are hurting sales. Therefore giving them the power to one day outright ban and erase these sites and people that make them
Sorry for the stereotypical "back in MY day" schtick but honestly, I remember when the most exciting thing about video games was unlocking mysterious new content that was hidden away in the game through playing it and that was the EXTRA content that you got after going through the main game.
These days they'll ask for my bank details if I want to change the hair colour of my character once.
There’s something magical about putting in a button combination and getting something fun in an old game
This is partly due to the spread of the internet. Imagine hunting down all 900 Koroks in BOTW without a guide, or finding all 120 shrines. You wouldn't even know that 900 Koroks _was_ the max amount. What if it was 901? So you'd always, always, try things, and sometimes, they'd work.
I 100% get your point though. A lot of stuff is no longer hidden behind clever things most players will never see, but hidden behind a paywall.
"Your day" really wasn't that long ago. Super Mario 3D Land is basically exactly what you just said; beat the first 8 worlds and drop Bowser into the lava, and 8 more worlds magically appear for you to play through!
@@longWriter Bruh I got to that over the summer and lost my shit. I thought I was almost done only to find out I only had half the game done.
@@animeking1357 I kind of liked the fact that the content kept coming...crap. I guess my way of looking at it isn't the only way :/
I was one of the “I don’t care” people but now I see why so many people are concerned. Good job Arlo. New subscriber here!
As someone who has been tracking these practices since the infamous house armor of oblivion, it's great to see more people and youtubers are waking up to this
Arlo is incorrect, don’t give him the time of day
@@ohhellothere9366 because he doesn’t understand how emulation harms Nintendo,
@@jakedematteo2172 people wouldnt have to emulate if nintendo had a virtual console on the switch
@@davidcook9875 you can play old games on the switch
This whole “Disney Vault” idea has to be one of the worst ideas Nintendo has done.
Your profile Pic Is my thoughts on the new Nintendo decisions
@@yaboirandall7638 Thanks. I made it with photoshop
The worst thing is they've done this forever, cause they know it works, definitely the disney of video games etc
Umm, No, This is their greatest idea ever.
This video has to be one of the worst Arlo has made. Especially because gullible anti-Nintendo people like you will instantly believe him. Even though Doug Bowser said Nintendo was not going to do limited releases in the long term. You can shove your anti-Nintendo sentiments up your bum.
My patience with this practice is a limited release.
For some reason, I never thought of the possibility that they just don't want competition from their old games. It's so depressing thinking of the games they will never give us.
it's the least defensible thing he said (among all of the rest of the points which were quite sound) but I think it might be worth considering at least for paper mario. Even super paper mario was such a drastic shift from the original point, and since sticker star it's been such a different series that it makes me wonder what the reception would be if they did release paper mario 1 and/or 2, and people could see how the series started.
The funny thing is I thought about this just today. I was watching his review of Pokémon Sword and Shield and had to think about the older games in the series. It made me realise even more how they just seem to release new games every year for profit and not for the sake of making an actual good game. It would make a lot of sense for them wanting people to not compare the games I guess.. it's really sad if this is true and would show how they think about their newer releases as mentioned in the video
Agreed. But remakes. Of paper Mario 1-3 would sell and they could easy make games in that style. For some reason the just don't want to. Seems miyamoto is butthurt when some one else makes new charachter s in mario
Apparently Pokémon ensures they don’t make a better game so you pick the game based on the mechanics and way up the differences
Not by making them all good but by adding and removing features at random
Come to think of it, that would explain why, when it comes to modern accessibility, the Gamecube is borderline completely untouched
Like, I can really only name 3 Gamecube exclusive* games that were brought up, being Luigi's Mansion 1 onto the 3DS, and Wind Waker and Twilight Princess *[okay technically TP was on the Wii too, but it's always been more of a Gamecube game to me] onto the WiiU
And speaking of the WiiU, between that and the 3DS, you had access to Nintendo's entire lineage...except the Gamecube [and the Virtual Boy but, y'know, it's the Virtual Boy]
The WiiU had Virtual Console games for NES, SNES, N64, GBA, DS, and even Wii
And the 3DS had Gameboy and GBC games
And given that the WiiU and 3DS eShop are getting its plug pulled at the end of March, it really does feel like Nintendo is trying to snuff out competition with itself
“Money later means nothing, money now is everything”
I kid you not right after that line I got an ad for a service that supposedly allows you to get part fo your wages earlier. They’re listening...
That's called a payday loan. They are short term loans with positively ridiculous interest rates. I recommend avoiding them at all costs.
Nope Google is just targeting you on one of many algorithms, you might find one but thousands do still track your history wether you like it or not. Just because a video upload talks about philosophy and or science and diet, than you might get one ad for atheism and another for Jilly juice. That's why they know that this platform isn't truly acceptable for children without parental guidance. Than again parents that think that the TV is an alternative for a human being or guardian is insane. Nonetheless they can and will win any lawsuit pushed against them.
Just happened to read this comment right as he said it.
I can’t believe how openly manipulative that Disney advert was. “We’re manipulating you, do it now or you’ll feel bad”
It was pretty disgusting, I guess Disney being evil isn't really anything new.
It’s gross, but at least it was a physical product. There is some reason to that.
was kind of hoping that was fake
i actually bought the lion king cause of those commercials :/
At the very least they’re better about it now with all their legacy movies being accessible for a relatively cheap price.
Imagine on March 31st, along with the games being removed digitally, the Nintendo Ninjas sneak into your house and take back your physical copy of Mario 3d All Stars
Very smart metal sonic
What if it just stopped working
Yknow even digitally after march youll still be able to redownload it digitally even if you delete it?
What if Mario reached out of the screen and pulled you into the game and it was all hyper realistic inside?
@@Vaguer_Weevil id find every last secret.
I don’t even understand how it benefits Nintendo. They would probably sell more copies over the rest of the Switch’s life cycle then they would just from the FOMO in these few months
3DAS was such a bare bones and lazy game that people would inevitably figure out it wasn't worth it,.
@@Legoluigi26 I think people would still buy it, since it doesn't matter how much extra content there is if you just want to play the game for the first time and get the "original" experience
ikr??? its almost like there is another reason, but they HAVE to have gone with the worst POSSIBLE reason, or else it just cant make sense!
Because in a year they can sell it again in a limited time window
as arlo said, game studios often do stuff thats stupid in the long term, but in the short term makes them a lot of money because it makes their fiscal year look better
Too bad because 3D All-Stars sold 5 million units in 12 days, this is not going to stop anytime soon... If Prime Trilogy pulls this nonsense, I swear...
You must have missed where they said they don’t plan on this being a regular thing.
I’m part of the problem. I disagree with Nintendo’s practice and still bought 3D all stars
I swear I would buy it in a heartbeat
@@666slateran666 It’s sad, cause I’d still buy it too, as long as it’s an actual remaster, unlike 3D All-Stars. I just want Metroid back.
You do realize it was Mario's 35th anniversary, so it's only gonna be for the specific occasion🙄
“Only available until March 31st.”
Scalpers: “It’s free real estate.”
Lol people are going to scalp a game that has sold millions and millions of copies already
Indeed and I am waiting for it 0/
@@dynamicpenguin55 Yes. That is how scarcity works.
Shit, that's a great idea. Buy a new Switch, buy the game, sell the console with the game on it after it goes off. Wish I could afford to.
Pirates: "Then ill just download the rom"
I didn't expect horror themed content so far away from October.
"what if they don't actually want us to have access to old games..?"
More piracy 🙄🤷🏴☠️
you might not *want* us to have access, but we can be pirates for freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee *AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT*
Wow! That Disney promo sounds so cynical by today's standards.
To be fair,walt disney originally didn't want his movies on home video at ALL (thinking that if people could watch them at home,they had no reason to see them when they came back the theaters). The disney vault was kind of the middle ground for that: you can have it on video but only for a limited time and then you have to wait until next time. And hey,it worked.
@@JT5555 that's still pretty...not great
@@JT5555 I'm not sure what's "to be fair" about it because at the end of the day it's a predatory practice from a company that already rakes in billions for putting out a single product.
@@JT5555 it’s more to do with the fact that they had more films than every other studio and feasibly couldn’t produce VHSs for all their films all the time. Putting a movie like Cinderella “in the vault” was different than the stuff in this video because there was no digital element and the movie was available for literally decades. They give you one last chance to buy it before ceasing production, as opposed to having a million VHSs sitting on shelves.
If they tried this nowadays, it would be different.
Edit: spelling
@@JT5555 but think of it this way without the Disney Vault you probably never would have gotten to Disney Plus
They are getting way too comfortable with their success and it is painful to watch.
I sort of reminds me of Sony with the PS3, hey?
I can't for the life of me remember who (might've been Arlo in the legacy content video), but someone did point out that Nintendo used to be way more generous during the Wii U era because they needed to be if they wanted to keep their customers
@@Soumein And Microsoft with Xbox one
They can't handle success
They got complacent.
@@Soumein no, It's totally different.
PS2 succeeded. The first half of PS3 is bad. The latter is good.
WiiU flopped. The first half of Switch is good, The latter is 😑
Saying the word “localize” gives Mother fans anxiety.
Localize Mother 3
@@justaspectator9762 not happening
Can you even play those games legally in the states anymore?
@@latelyascending well...there is emulation.
Mother 3!!!! Still waiting!
"What if they don't WANT you to play old games?"
Well, sucks to be them, because *DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE, YOU ARE A PIRATE!*
By doing limited releases or no releases at all, they're empowering piracy and emulation. Its basic supply and demand. If the demand exists, someone is going to step in to fill it. If Nintendo doesn't supply the older games, then someone else will.
YAR HAR FIDDLE DA DE
@@thebestworst8002 DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE
@@ΦίλιπποςΖαχόπουλος YOU ARE A PIRATE
As someone who has worked in a print archive, I'm seriously concerned about how the history of video games is being preserved - or rather, is not being. In 100 years time (the length of time that books are copyrighted for), how will people study the development of these games? If you can't even own the games, how can they be archived and kept?
Gotta love big companies :
"If there's profit to be made now, who cares about the future?"
Unfortunately, gaming historians are absolutely going to have to go trawling on piracy sites to get a lot of this stuff. Companies simply don't care about preserving art unless they can also make money off of it. I'm an artist myself and I absolutely support the right of artists to make a profit from their work (who doesn't want to make their art full time, come on!), but current copyright law is massively abused by large corporations and actively hampers archival efforts.
I bet nowadays, Nintendo would censor KK Slider's line where he gives you a bootleg of his CD because he doesn't believe in 'industry fatcats putting a price on my music'.
YUP.
I wouldn't worry too much about that. There are plenty of people in hacker communities that care deeply about preservation, including more obscure stuff and put in a lot of effort to archive it. So it may not be strictly legal to access some of gaming's history, but I'm sure it will still be /available/.
@@karmiya-plays K.K. Still mentions the song being a bootleg in New Horizons, but he doesn't mention his distaste for big industries, but at least he gives it for free
Just a note: the Disney vault wasn’t conceived specifically to capitalise on the fear of missing out. It’s actual reason for existing isn’t any better but i’m someone who cares way too much about entertainment history so i’m gonna tell ya’.
The Disney Vault was created to combat the fear by the executives that putting out their animated films on VHS would diminish returns when they rereleased those movies in theatres (which they did on a 10 year cycle as it was also a way of keeping the characters and stories relevant to new generations). The reason behind those theatrical reissues stems from 1944 where the company released Snow White again which basically saved them from going under during World War 2. Only a handful of movies were ever included in the Disney vault (16 to be exact, with the last film added being the Lion King) while the other movies were all widely available. Then it kind of took on a life of its own, basically becoming a brand itself, which is where those advertisements came from.
Like I said, still a terrible anti-consumer practice, but it was born out of what felt like a necessity for the people in suits who felt releasing the movies to home video would be a significant risk to the business strategies they had relied on for decades.
Ah! So the "if we broadcast the game on the radio no one will come to the stadium for the game" when exactly the opposite happened.
Indeed. Disney did indeed benefit from FOMO as the Vault policy continued into the Eisner years and beyond (which I believe is what the commercials Arlo showed were specifically angling for), but the policy was created for an unrelated reason; indeed, it's arguable that the Disney Vault was one of the early concepts that seeded the modern idea of FOMO as we see it in media companies.
Thanks for sharing this information on how the Disney Vault came into being!
Love when someone shares the facts. I like watching Arlo’s essays, but every once in a while he shares a point that’s uninformed that diminishes his overall message.
As a fair use/preservation junkie, it's horrifying to see that games- already a commodity that can somewhat easily be removed without warning- being a limited release just bothers me.
The slippery slope fallacy is only a fallacy if it cannot be demonstrated to be relevant. When it comes to video game publishers and anti-consumer greed, Arlo’s argument is unfortunately not a fallacy at all. I am worried about fomo being a standard selling tool by publishers in the future.
Honestly in most cases the "Slippery slope fallacy" is hardly a fallacy at all and it shouldn't even be called one in general. Its usually just basic cause and effect predictions.
When "Slippery slope" isn't a fallacy, it is called "incrementalism". It is happening incrementally.
Nintendo is making mistakes and I feel this will only lead to "Justified Piracy".
Stealing is never good 😙
@@jeromealday614 neither is treating customers like guinea pigs but here we are
@@jeromealday614 if you have to chose between buying a game from a reseller because Nintendo doesn’t make it anymore or emulating it, it doesn’t matter. Nintendo doesn’t make money either way
In Mexico is well known that you buy nintendo consoles to hack em. Nintendo expects us to pay like $80 for a new game when with that you can get like 6 months of Xbox Live Ultimate or like 4 PS4 Exclusive games on a sale
The switch is too expensive for an underpowered tegra
@@jeromealday614 Is it really stealing if it’s a copy Nintendo isn’t getting money from anymore, and you’re not taking it from anyone because it’s online? 🤔
"They're like a dear, lifelong friend of mine"
Yes, and what do you do for a friend who has lost their way? You slap them back on the right path.
Not if they're getting money to stay off their path.
Thank you Mir
No, he’s slapping them for the sake of slapping them, not even towards the right path
I've needed a few slaps like that myself to get back on track. I agree completely
@@sechabatheletsane9784 Then you slap them with a brick instead of your hand, lol
The Nintendo limited releases kind of reminds me of when Disney had all their old movies in a vault that they would only let you buy every so often. The way Disney made their subscription based streaming service and hypes it up by having the vault open, might be something Nintendo does in the future to make a ton of money.
edit: lol I said this before Arlo mentioned it.
like your pfp, very cute
I was about to ask if you even saw the video before noticing you made an edit
Immediately thought of the Disney vault too before Arlo got to that metaphor. It was heartbreaking for me as a young teen to want to get my favorite childhood movies which would already be hard to get living in a developing country and not being able to find it for less than a fortune. Ridiculous.
Remember when Nintendo made three different Fire Emblem games at once? Remember how they made a special edition cart with all three games on it you could only get as a pre-release? Remember the normal release involving two games being on separate carts then the third as dlc? When all three could have just been one massive amazing
Fire Emblem game on one cart but was instead cut into three... This tiger remembers.
Oh, I remember because that was the first (and only) time I'd ever pre-ordered a game. Granted, it was for the mini art book (as it would be four more years before a true art book was released), but it was always stupid to me that they couldn't just sell the ultimate version of the game for $90.
But wasn't only Birthright and Conquest on the cartridge and Relevation was a free download code? 🤔 (Also don't forget the DLC was around 50$). I'm pretty sure FE Fates/if would be less hated in the FE fandom if they wouldn't locked almost everything of the game behind a paywall (in the normal release).
@@obnoxious_alien No, Revelation was on the cartridge. It was the only way you could play it day 1. I remember because I beat Conquest in about 2 days and immediately started Revelation before my friends could even download it.
FE fans don't hate Fates because of the paywalls- if that was an issue, Shadows of Valentia would be the most hated game in the series, what with all the crappy dlc literally costing more than the base game. No, FE fans just don't like Fates because it was the first "mainstream" game. They whine about fanservice the "anime art style" and bad writing, but those things exist in nearly every FE game.
@@Silburific Ah okay, thanks for the info!
pepperidge farm remembers
I’ve lost a lot of interest in Nintendo over time. The joycon issue, the lack of rereleases of games I want to play, and other issues have kind of had me put my switch down and stick more to just PC games. I really would like to play both N64 Zeldas in their original form on my switch, as well as the first two paper Mario games. The only way I can potentially do those things are emulators.
What’s also frustrating is Nintendo is heavily anti-emulator...without providing an alternative. If I could play Mario Party 2 or 3 with my friends on the switch, why would I use an emulator plus other internet software?
To not see these two zeldagames rereleased in any way in current day is really upsetting. The wiiu vc of the n64 originals is ass and with the 3ds being dead, the remakes will slowly but surely fall into obsurity outside of emulation.
i hate that nintendo has probably the best game designer's, musicians, story writers and idfk what more for games. but the fucking shittiest people for pr and stuff.
The lack of a Santa hat on arlo is absurd and scary and bad
pog
yeah ngl
Pervert
or his lovely singing
Saying it now in January is also absurd and scary and bad
You know who doesn't have to deal with this anti-consumer nonsense? The Pirates. It makes no sense to me why you would make it so hard to buy your product, people always will turn to pirating it.
Gabe said when people pirate games its the services fault. It was something along those lines i dont remember.
Piracy is a terrible practice that harms the pirates.
Example: everyone pirates games instead of buying them, so companies can no longer invest as much into making the best games they can. Then the pirates stop playing games.
Just fucking buy the game instead of trying to be edgy
@@jakedematteo2172 that’s going to be impossible come april
@@jakedematteo2172 I can see where you're coming from, and yeah, that would make sense for new games like Breath of the Wild, Super Mario Odyssey, etc. Don't pirate those games, go ahead and buy them. This is about older games. Games that have been off the market for awhile now. A copy of Super Smash Bros. Melee goes for about $220 nowadays, and that number is only going to get higher as the years go by. And who is that money going to? Not Nintendo. Just some guy on Ebay. That's what I don't get about this. Nintendo has the opportunity to sell their old games all over again, and people will buy them because they love those games and want to play them. So why aren't they?
@@jakedematteo2172 I want to play Paper Mario, the og one for the N64.
I do not own this game. I do not own an N64, or any of the accessories that might come with it. If I wanted to own this, I would have to go onto eBay or Kijiji and buy it off someone else. Nintendo wouldn't see a dime of money from me if I did this. Nintendo sees the same amount of money if I legally bought it vs if I pirated it, the only difference is pirating gives me more sense of security that my hardware won't give out, since the N64 is around two decades old.
There's an argument to be made for not pirating modern games, I won't say there isn't, but to say to never pirate ever because game companies won't make games? That's silly.
ALSO, a lot of pirates would 100% buy the game if they had access to it! Keyword: *if*. A lot of pirates would love to support developers of games if they had access to said games. I first played pokemon Sapphire on a phone emulator. What did I do when Alpha Sapphire came out? I bought it officially, so that I could play the game on hardware meant for it and enjoy it properly. A lot of pirated games are for older consoles that aren't produced anymore. Not every pirate is like that, obviously, but a lot that I've met are.
I completely, thoroughly agree. Not to mention, this doesn't benefit Nintendo whatsoever. It limits the amount of sales they can get, and encourages piracy of these games, because they're basically dedicating themselves to provide no alternative.
"Luckily Nintendo hasn't sunk this low"
*looks at Mario Kart Tour, Fire Emblem Heroes, Pokemon Masters and Pocket Camp*
2 of these are not the same as the others
You forgot that one where mario runs across the courses and all you do is tap for him to jump
@@Istrianprincess That was different.
At least Pocket Camp, MKart Tour and FEH have decent game play.
Those are free mobile games, they need to turn up a profit.
He was obviously talking about the garbage double dippers that charge entry fee and only continue trying to fleece you.
This Arlo video will only be available until 3/31/2021.
You joke about that, but Twitch VODs are only available for some time. There are tons of content that have already been lost because of that, and it's just... normal.
@@TheLK641 I think that's acceptable given how much content is produced daily on twitch, unless they spend much resources on servers to store old content like TH-cam, But I don't think that's their focus, they are more focused on the "live" aspect and "being there in the moment".
Bwahahhaa
Another scummy business practice that is becoming the norm nowadays are releasing games before they are fully finished such as Battlefront and Cyberpunk, then adding new content ‘disguised’ as DLC
not to mention pokemon sword and shield
New Horizons and Star Allies are part of this problems, but less so because their post-release content is at the very least free...for now.
@@Duskool so true
@@modelomegatyler Ehhh SWSH are a weird case. The games barely had postcontent but the DLC feels like DLC and not post content and are different to the base game. So its just weird mesh of things.
@@Gold_Red52 crown tundra feels like dlc. isle of armor sure as heck wasn't
3D All-Stars: **is limited edition**
Fire Emblem: **is limited edition**
Metroid Prime Trilogy: _[Chuckles] ..I’m in danger._
it would have to re-release to be in danger
If it ever even comes
Did that release on the Wii
Not anymore
The one time it's good that Nintendo cares less about Metroid.
Something looks different with Arlo...there is a Santa hat shaped area of him that seems to be missing.
It actually was a limited hair style, available only until December 25th of 2020. Arlo probably wasn't able to keep paying scientists to create cells above his skull, plus using pigments with a different color than most of the pigments on his other cells, so when Arlo's money ran out, the scientist wouldn't keep working and eventually the red Christmas hair vanished from existance.
Of course, Arlo's money ran out because he bought all of Super Mario 3D All Star's and Star Link's copies before 2021 even started.
Honestly it also explains Nintendo's stance on emulation and fan games. I recently joined the super mario rewind discord and someone had noted that Nintendo seems to be fine with completely original fan games but is insanely aggressive against remakes. Nintendo doesnt want you to be able to play its legacy content unless it's on their terms.
Member Pokemon Uranium, It's not a remake of some sort 😅
"Nintendo is fine with fan games."
Metroid and Pokémon fans will fight you on that.
@@commonviewer2488 and Legend of Zelda fans
Never have I seen a more important or relevant Arlo video than this one. Definitely one of his best rants lol
Not really. More just like a child ranting because he didn't like a companies choices and all his stans agreeing bc they're mindless.
@@AlienDemonKing someone thinks they're above people
@@kevinvu5432 oh honey, Someone KNOWS they are.
@@AlienDemonKing someone knows they're not.
@@AlienDemonKing mindless? I thought this way about artificial scarcity long before Arlo's channel was a thing. What is your position? Do you believe corporations in the gaming industry should move over to this trend following loot boxes and battle passes falling off?
Their decision to do this with Fire Emblem was scummy in particular considering the game was never released outside of Japan
They are literally dangling something as rare as that in front of you and ripping it away once the arbitrary month of March passes
Not just that, but the way that the announcement kept presenting it as the only way to experience the original story and all that in the west; deliberately ignoring that the game had a DS remake in 2009 that had a worldwide release. There's no other way to describe that except deliberately trying to further create FOMO.
not only that, but are they too dumb to understand that some big-hearted nerd wil buy that game, and make it emulatable so that we dont have to use unoficcial localisation? guess what nintendo, not all heroes are world-known
I think April 1st is the start of their fiscal year. That's why it stops in March.
a few months ago in an interview, doug bowser said that limited run games will not be a business model nintendo will stick with. hopefully, he's right.
He is sadly little more than a figurehead for decision making like that.
Yeah, he evaded most questions in that interview, so I hope that is for real.
Oh gosh, thank you Doug.
Assuming it's not a lie...
"we wanted to celebrate in unique & different ways" right as they announce fire emblem is also limited run... Sorry but this practice is here to stay. Everyone bought 3D all stars and these same people who complained about the practice will still buy the Zelda anniversary anyway.
@@QuackEasy i think it'll happen 1 or 2 more times but then never again if nintendo truly wants to celebrate anniversaries in many different ways.
I feel like the most egregious part of 3D all stars is that it’s being sold during a time where a lot of people are strapped for cash due to the current circumstances.
Perhaps that is why it’s limited. Nindy didn’t make any real system sellers in 2020 past origami king. Most of their games where for those who already have switches given that the big titles was a port and a spin-off. Nothing that would prompt people to get switches because COVID hit nindy’s hardware production more than anything else.
@@TheAuralius I would like to point out animal crossing. It was such a massive release and generated so much money
@@TheAuralius Uh, ACNH is the second or third best selling game on the system lol. And I mean it wasn’t first party but Age of Calamity was a huge success. So I’d say it’s important to consider that too
Well, It's not Nintendo's fault really. Blame China for that 😑
Ibrahim Abbasi that was towards the beginning of COVID when Nindy had switches is stock and do remember there still being shortages.
Nintendo: "We'll sell you SOME of our old games...for a limited time."
People: *Play old games with ROMs.*
Nintendo: "HOW DARE YOU!?"
Well they are communistic with that mentality. They want to control our fun and how we have it. Ultimately why I don't buy Nintendo's flagship games that often.
@@Openreality I hate to say it, but that has nothing to do with communism and everything to do with capitalism.
@@astracrits4633 - True. After all, it was Bethesda's Todd Howard who expressed annoyance at the idea of people still playing and enjoying Skyrim without him getting any richer off of it. Why else would they try so hard to charge people to use mods? They're not happy just releasing a single player game out into the world any more. They want games that they can use to bleed their users dry for years until it falls out of relevance.
Ok i just researched why they did this... it is a buisness choice for nintendo to see if the game was going to do well or not. the switch was starting it's reign with it selling so many copy's nintendo hid in their Koopa shell and made the game limited as a buisness decision to make enough switch sales and game sales and from the looks it worked but i am still sad the game is leaving soon
@@naimrancier8197 It's hard to think that it's that simple, but it could be just that. Nintendo is an enigma of a company. Can't get a read on it, ever.
i used to be so thrown off by the puppet persona when i first discovered the channel but now im so immersed in it its almost scary 😂 like i sometimes just forget the fact that he _isnt_ a blue talking furry monster
Wait what? He's not?
@@user-gu5dv7vj8r he is. scribble cloud is just envious.
What the hell are you talking about? He IS a blue talking furry monster smh
Here's a theory for you: March 31st is also Papa John's Day of Reckoning.
The Hut will be out-pizza-ed
What happened to them.
Leave it to Nintendo to keep on being anti consumer and behind the times when they could easily make a fortune porting their decades of games
I can picture the droves of money Nintendo would make of making trilogy collections for a ton of titles, and updating the price for NSO but adding N64 and beyond games, it's so easy it boggles the mind why they don't do that
HE FINALLY DID IT
it is no longer a discussion for another day
GET EM ARLO
Took off the Santa hat?
YOOO
You crazy son of a b****, you did it!
Disney: "_get it while it's still here! Bambi is going awayyyy_"
My father during TV broadcast: *haha VCR goes bzzzz*
Its funny How everyone forgot about zelda's 25th annivesary limites re release of four swords on dsi ware
Oh, yeah... that was a pretty good game...
Wasn’t it free though? Not trying to start an argument just saying
Mario 35 is too, and yeah i get it, paid subscription to NSO, and all that, yours is a valid point
I just wanted to point out that someting like that happend before and no one spoke about it
@@andreluizben ok then, thanks
Loved the background "3d all stars doomsday" !
Having clock town as bgm is perfect
Unus annus Unus Annus
Am I the only one thinking, Mario sliding down the Thwomp while Arlo talks about slippery slopes, was intentional?
kane is a crazy guy
No, I think so too, lol
He has to choose what clip to put where during editing so why not slip in a subtle joke
I've timed footage that I show in my videos with my own commentary, so probably!
yeah, i thought that too.
Nintendo later this year be like:
“Make sure you get the Xenosaga Collection before May 2nd!”
“Make sure you get the Metroid Prime Collection before June 1st!”
“Make sure you get Bowser’s Big Bean Burrito Remastered before September 30th!”
Ngl i would buy metriod prime collection and xenosaga collection un ironically
Super mario bros 2 remastered allstars collection, with two extra luigis and a konky dong
I already know I'll never surpass the world record on Bowser's Big Bean Burrito, so I'm passing on it anyway.
"Do you think it's any coincidence that Nintendo's fiscal year... ends in March?"
My God! Now it all makes sense!
Nintendo could easily keep Mario 35 alive without spending a penny by letting fans host severs or having bot support, I could see Mario 35 being very popular for years, if they made a version for phones and maybe even PCs (if it was on PC it would be easier to make reliable sever hosting software) heck most games are more easily preserved on PCs.
They just wait half a year and rerelease it for 39.99, tada - extra cash again for skmething you had already
3D All Stars is like dangling the steak in front of the dog, then throwing that steak in the trash.
It's not QUITE that cruel
Pfft,as if the dog wouldn't jump in the trash to get it.XD
Not really. There 3 old games that you had nearly a year to buy. If you can't come up with $60 in a year for a game then you shouldn't be playing games.
@@AlienDemonKing 1) if someone has an off year, that sucks. But if I’m dirt poor one year, but work hard and get promoted, so the next year I can start buying video games again, then yes I can play video games AND afford it. 2) I think he was talking about legacy content as a whole, which goes beyond 3D all stars anyways.
@@AlienDemonKing "nearly a year"
So now 6 months = 1 year? Don't forget, people were having a hard time this year with money thanks to the virus. $60 for this game is also ridiculous. At most, $50 for this collection.
It’s nice to have a video that isn’t strictly “who cares” or “Nintendo hates you”
Yeah because it's both! 😁
The funny thing is I can’t actually tell if he was joking about the deleting In 3 months thing or not lol
Yes
We'll find out
Definitely joking dw
He's capitalizing on FOMO ;)
Petition to have Arlo do more "hot takes" videos!
Nintendo's behavior in recent years itself is the petition, it would seem. Something myself and many other of his fans like about him is his passionate honesty about things both good and bad. If Nintendo continues making anti-consumer decisions, Arlo will continue to vocalize his frustrations and concerns.
This is not a hot take
Man, I don’t know if anyone here was around for him, but what you’re saying about anti-consumer practices reminds me a lot of the things Totalbiscuit used to say. He was a huge advocate for power to consumers and I greatly appreciate you talking about this issue. Keep it up Arlo!
Preach. Just commenting for the yt algorithm but bless ya Arlo
Mega man legacy collections: available for a while
Master chief collection: available for a while
Rare replay: available for a while
3D All-stars: since it’s for the anniversary it has to be limited release?
Dang, so much truth spoken in this video. It makes me see this issue in several new ways even though I already thought limited time stuff was a bad idea.
Unfortunately, I think we may be in store for more of this sort of thing and then some. The leadership of Furukawa/Bowser seems to be far more corporate-minded than Iwata/Fils-Aime, and I'm hoping they don't undo a lot of the good Nintendo has done through the years as a brand.
Honestly makes me miss Iwata and Reggie so much more now, they made Nintendo feel as if it had its own personality, but I don't get those vibes from Furukawa or Bowser. I wish they put focus on Koizumi being that kind of face for Nintendo as he seems to be the kind of guy that could deliver on that.
Bowser being the villain. How fitting.
Agreed, so far im not liking this Bowser guy.
@@lpfan4491 Does this mean we'll soon see him replaced by Mario Mario who leads Nintendo into a golden age that also fixes the gaming industry?
I think a really bad thing could also be that Nintendo ends up keeping the games on sale past March. Because it means that it was all a lie to sell copies quickly before the fiscal year ended. This is bad, there’s no way they can fix this situation.
I agree, but it would still cause some problems. Probably decrease the amount of problems though
I’m not gonna lie, I was really excited about the 3D All Stars Pack, a chance to play my favorite Mario game, Galaxy, on the go with two other well regarded games, it was a dream come true.
Then the limited release was part of it? Okay, annoying but not a deal breaker. Limited digital release, weird but still not terrible? The actual product having very little extra content for an anniversary pack, and having shoddy emulation issues? That’s what tore it for me, and why I still don’t have a copy, it just feels... scummy.
I had never played 64 or Sunshine. Only Galaxy on the Wii. So I was very excited when I got the collection and I'm still glad I bought it. But they really should have added a little something extra. Also limited releases are stupid.
What emulation issues? The games run is they should.
@@Wave9990 adding extra content doesn’t make much sense when the point of the collection was to sell you old games in their original form. also you got quite a lot of content for the price (if you never played the games before that is) i’m not defending what Nintendo did with it, just stating my personal opinion
If you are interested in getting a copy but don't want to support the practice, buy a second hand copy. Just my advice. :)
@@ultimate9057 check out KingK's video about how the collection is pretty poor compared to how other companies' collections are, both financially and content wise. He specifically talks about how it disregards the preservation arguments for it too. Nothing wrong with enjoying it of course, but we should know when we're being exploited, you know?
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I really don't mind "limited Collector's Editions" all too much. If they were to add a few extra doodads to the physical versions and ONLY take those off of store shelves on March 31st, then I would sort be of okay with it, (preferably if the digital version was only $30.) But removing the digital version is just inexcusable to me.
More accurately they stop producing them physically on that day
Love love love this. Glad to finally hear your full thoughts. What got me was the comparison to the Disney vault. Feels so similar to that it's sickening. Hoping for the best and that these videos help spread the word to others and maybe even Nintendo. Would love to see other vids like this. I don't mind seeing the critical eye of Arlo.
Critical thought requires one to have the freedom to be just that: critical. Just because you find fault with something or someone doesn’t mean that you hate it or have some prejudice against it. The real bigots are those who are too tied up in their fandom, party membership, tribalism, or whatever to appreciate this.
couldn't have said it better myself
Well said.
The situation for me feels really conflicting. On one hand I really do enjoy 3D All-Stars but I really don't agree with the business practice and after the controversy they had in December, it almost feels like theirs 2 sides that everyone is put in. One side of supporting Nintendo and being labeled as a blind follower or going against Nintendo and being labeled a hater. I'm not sure if anyone else feels this way but that's how it feels to me.
And the worst part is that it work in Nintendo's favor.
"The shills are evil!"
"No, the haters are!"
Meanwhile, too few yell at the real culprit.
I know what you mean. I vocally criticized the false advertising that surrounded Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity, and even though I'm a fan of The Legend of Zelda and I wasn't criticizing the game's quality, I still got labelled as a hater by a lot of commenters (though thankfully a lot more commenters were in agreement with me).
@@matthewmuir8884 I know story ain't that important for a game like that but dont blame you when you feel cheated on the story.
@@pippo17173 Nintendo kept describing the game in all their marketing as a direct prequel to Breath of the Wild that would have the player experience the events of the Great Calamity; they never said the exact word "prequel" but there are many ways to claim, "this game is a prequel" without using the word "prequel" and Nintendo used almost every single way there is. They marketed the game as having content that it doesn't have; how is that not something to call them out on?
Even now, Nintendo's website for the game is still blatantly lying.
@@matthewmuir8884
I think you vastly underestimate the power of timelines
I just realized that the physical version of Mario 3D All-Stars is going to be worth quite a bit in the future if Nintendo doesn’t make any more.
Exactly why I got mine as soon as I could.
@@inspectahgex1910 As you can see Nintendo's dirty business method worked very well with these two.
I actually found like 8 copies for £50 each so I’m definitely going to pick it up
This is why people pirate your games, Nintendo.
Piracy is bad, even for pirates. It’s cannibalistic to pirates
Companies won’t make good games if you won’t pay for it
@@jakedematteo2172 bootlicker. if they wont sell the game how can i buy it?
@@jakedematteo2172 Piracy is a service problem. If you don’t give an adequate enough way to consume a company’s product then the consumer will go elsewhere.
I've recently been looking for legitimate ways to play old Nintendo games since I have a Wii with backwards compatibility but Wii games are a little over base price and don't get me started on GameCube games I'm not paying 100 dollars for something like that.
@@jakedematteo2172 he didn’t claim it was good.
I find limited releases to be also INCREDIBLY insulting to consumers.
"Hey sheep, I mean people, buy this game now before it's gone! How could you possibly live on if you missed out on it?!"
... then again, they still work, so... Man, this world is trash.
You could always not by it. There are alternative means of getting most of these.
@@PastelWraith and that is what?
@@PastelWraith
Or they could also just NOT pull that crap to begin with.
@@PastelWraith *ah yes, time to buy it on eBay for double the price!*
@@penyfriendly Find your local retro game store. Or emulate it.
I was waiting for this video!
I’m starting to think that Arlo is an actual living puppet.
*y* *e* *s*
He is. What are you talking about?
@@EtherealMystic BRUUH
He is, are you high?
"Money now is everything" was immediately followed by an H&R Block add saying "need money now?"
Me too lol
TH-cam ads and comedic timing go hand in hand.
Do these companies realize that this does not combat piracy at all?
I can get these games with just a few google searches and they'll be there for longer than this collection, lmao.
If NIntendo really dosent want us to know about older games, then I’m going full emulation mode
That’s gonna harm you more than it will help
@@jakedematteo2172 Why would it? Emulation does not harm anyone, especially not the consumer that enjoys playing old ass games, that nobody is selling anymore. Plus, without Emulation and Rom Dumps, a HUGE Chunk of games would be forever "lost" now.
Emulation is propably the best thing, that ever happened to the gaming community.
That's definitely not the reason nintendo is being anti consumer. That point honestly just felt like boomer bias to me
@@peepeepoopoo8070 yeah, that’s a really dumb explanation for it
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 true, companies shouldn't decide to remove history like that.
At this rate, we’re gonna end up in another gaming crash somewhere down the line in the future.
i hope
Yeah... No...
Gaming is hardwired into the global culture now, humans play more games than read books. The gaming Industry is making more money every year, esport is growing as well. Why should it ever crash? It will never crash. It's grip will only grow tighter, and in the future the succesful adoption of sophisticated mixed reality technology will bind humans to live in that environment forever.
All this is just the beginning. Small steps.
@@rollinontheboard the deep end is when people purposely go into virtual reality and make them forget the outside as a form of escapsim, living these virtual games as their new reality and writing weird comments in a virtual youtube comment section, only to wake back up out of it after they get hit by a truck when the are 56 years old.
Wake up.
So’s the economy and that keeps crashing
I have a STRONG feeling that these practices, as well as almost all legacy content being locked behind a subscription service and not for download, is a decision made by investors and higher-up seeing how much their legacy content has increased in value on second market. By limiting access to their esteemed legacy content, they can resell their old games for increased prices each time, even mario all stars is a fairly unreasonable price compared to past legacy rereleases. Artificial scarcity is not foreign to nintendo, and I get a sence that they are now starting to keep their whole legacy library under that scarcity. It's not a short-sighted FOMO, but maybe a project to get back to a place where they can sell a single legacy game for 40 dollars and upwards. This also would make sence of their huge grudge against emulation and fangames that try to recreate the wonder of past nintendo games. These things don't cut into their bottom line, but will devalue their legacy content, which they seem to be holding under lock and key this generation.
Hard agree. Nintendo is playing the stock wizard but it will blow in their face the moment the crowd starts losing interest in the switch and their next console will likely be a Wii U scenario
When Nintendo goes for cheap profits it backfires. I would watch knowledge hub’s latest video on it.
Meanwhile, my computer is loaded with Dolphin & OpenEmu with about 200+ downloaded games asking "if companies aren't gonna play fair, then why should I?" I also find it funny that the Scott Pilgrim Game is making its return this year as part of an anniversary as all this is happening.
Scott Pilgrim's re-release is like poetic justice. I mean, it doesn't actually fix the fact that Nintendo is doing these shitty things, but it is definitely a pleasant surprise.
Preach it! All the slimy practices they're employing are disgusting, and we better shout as loud as we can if we want to discourage it going forward.
These sorts of scummy practices are one of the few reasons I can't fully condemn digi-pirates - in some markets, piracy is more user friendly and empowering, it's such a weird way of regulating their market so as to drive their former law-abiding customers into the arms of dodgy pirates... "self-destructive" indeed!
For indie developers, releasing pirated editions can be a fantastic marketing tactic too! I forgot the name of it, but there was a roguelike released into The Pirate Bay by it's dev, and that ended up garnering it a lot of attention. It allows users to experience it, and support it if they enjoy it AND are able to. Everyone's been a kid, unable to afford things that they want after all.
I fully condone piracy because the alternative is EA and no body wants to live in a world of only EA
Arlo: "... and luckily Nintendo hasn't SUNK THIS LOW"
Thank heavens that Arlo doesn't play mobile games...
I see where you're coming from, but at the same time, the mobile market is a whole different beast, it's much more expected in that culture.
That said, it can still be hard seeing a company like Nintendo thought to have more integrity than its competition making such decisions.
@@majorhoolahan they started very well, mario run had a great business model at start, but then they suddenly start to become very shady on mobile in general.
Doug Bowser also doesn't give much hope, he never says anything meaningful (more like doug BOO ahhhh...nevermind...). Moreover, other issues like the joycon drift is STILL unresolved.
I don't agree with the mentality that "because it's mobile, it's ok to be bad". That's the exact reason why it never changes. Like Arlo always says, "it's not like they want money, they want ALL the money".
We can't separate Nintendo mobile from Nintendo console. Both are the same and both are having issues. Nintendo since the success of switch has been just downhill on consumer friendly practices, they deserve all the critics until they start doing something to address them.
@@magicalcapi9148 Aye, good points. I realize now how much it sounded like I was rationalizing or defending bad practice. I think I ended up with that idea because I already have low expectations of mobile games in general (in both practices and overall quality).
In the words of AVGN: "What were they thinking?"
Arlo: Talking about Nintendo's corrupt business practices
Background music: Cheerful Mario beach music
The limited release is dumb. My experience growing up I couldn't get games until they went on sale. With limited releases they stay at the sticker price for the full duration so the people who can't afford it don't have a way to own it. No one resell games at a discount anymore so the games get scalped. Either way the consumer loses and the company isn't effected in the least.
My hope is that now that they've grabbed their anniversary collection cash they're going to launch N64 on NSO
This video feels so...shockingly on the nose.
In a scary way.
Nintendo in March 2021: “Do you like Mario, and all the cool stuff we gave you last September?”
Fans: “Yeah!”
Nintendo: “Well, everything’s going away this month, no reason, we just felt like it!”
Fans: ..........excuse me what...
Oh and you are asked to give back the game you paid 60 $ for
@@maximini4923 no they don't take away 3d all stars you just can't buy it
Fans: Shut up and take my money!
Nintendo: *NO*
“Do you like our games?”
“Yes.”
“Well, you shouldn’t. It’s not nice.”
I love how professional your rants are. Case in point: “To an observer it could look like...”