Nearly Five Years Later, Joy-Cons Are Still Awful
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This is another one of those videos that for some weird reason gets delayed over and over again (thus the slightly outdated "Metroid hype" line), and I've also just been wanting to do another video on the Joy-Con situation for a long time now, so it feels good to finally get it out! Assuming you enjoy people complaining loudly about faulty hardware, enjoy!
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As someone with a pro controller I have never touched my joycons in 2 years since they drifted a month in buying the system
Nintendo needs to make a game called Joy-Con Drift where you race around Tokyo as a pair of Joy-Con.
The sad part is that the "Metroid Hype" line is the only part of the video that is outdated.
@@beanieboo3680 same
Remember when Nintendo was famous for producing such durable and long lived hardware that a Gameboy could survive a bombing during a literal war and still function? Good times.
My first set of blue GameCube controllers still work perfectly to this very day... And heck, even the silver one I got later still works with no notable issues. 😅
My 3DS has fallen to the floor, ground, off a bed, counter, between a car door as I was closing it, etc etc. Yes the screen is cracked with dead pixels, yes the L & R button haven't worked for years. but I can still play on it, just as long as L & R aren't required, it still works
@@emmareiman64 It took 18 years for my Gameboy Advance SP to show even the slightest bit of wear and it still works fine. The power switch is ever so slightly finicky.
Im pretty sure that was a different nintendo 😔
I guess _Nintendium_ was a finite resource that they finally ran out of.
It's crazy just how LITTLE Nintendo cares about this problem.
It's not really just Nintendo. Drift is a problem with a lot of controllers, I've lost 3 xbox controllers and 1 joycon. Unfortunately it's basically an industry-wide standard at this point, which sucks.
Nintendo doesn’t really listen to their fans
@@unchartedchartz It's nowhere near as bad with other controllers as it is with joycons though. Xbox and PS controllers at least go about 2-3-ish years before the drift occurs. Switch controllers will start drifting within your first few months of use.
@@Essu_ my Ps4 controller that I bought in August already started to drift while the one that came with the Ps4 hasn't. The joycons that came with the Switch when it first released still work just fine. So I've had worst luck with playstation then with Nintendo.
@@Essu_ My Joycons took a couple years to start drifting.
My daughter was playing Mario Odyssey and couldn't beat the stage after getting super far in the game. I watched her struggle to beat a simple koopa and kept telling her it was easy just keep trying. She got really sad and cried so I jumped in and realized Mario would run off the stage himself and felt so bad for making it seem like it was her fault. Fix it Nintendo
Was it the circle koopa pr the sports one?
I think you owe her an apologie
Oh my…
Oof 😕🙁
FIX YOUR DANG PROBLEM NINTENDO
When I was a kid I was very anxious about telling my parents about any missfunction on any device because their immediate reaction was to think I broke said device. If they got me a switch back then, and had a broken joy con I would never be able to tell them.
Ditto. Now I'm a mum of an autistic 4 year old whose almost entire world revolves around the switch and stardew valley in particular. Sticky fingers are not an issue as that freaks her out, and the controllers are looked after better than I look after myself. I did not know drift was an issue, but now I do I will be sure to have an spare pair in the house to avoid the inevitable meltdown. But I would like to think I wouldnt be a dick about it regardless :)
@@maebla I know this reply is 2 weeks old but as an autistic kid myself hating sticky fingers and obsessively taking care of devices is so relatable to me
@@buddy1sock :)
@@maebla expect the spare to also drift
Same whenever my phone doesn’t work I’m told it’s cause I use it too much
Fun fact about bears: They have even more trouble dealing with JoyCon drift due to their lack of thumbs and inability to pay for new pairs with salmon. It’s a real problem in the community that Nintendo refuses to even acknowledge.
As a bear, Nintendo really needs to address this issue.
@@blackravenX Your a raven.
It's unbearable for them.
Mr. Grizz is a filthy capitalist he can live with his thumbless sins
I have a question do Bears live at Ikea?
To the people saying this is a "non-issue:" When you have other third party controllers that still operate fine after 5 years for other systems, what is Nintendo's excuse?
Bought a 3rd party "GameCube edition" joycon 3 years back and it has outlasted 2 of my friends brand name cons (and for 1/3rd the cost).
Nintendo is a
Yeah, l never thought l would miss the quality of a Madcatz controller, but here we are
Hell, my GameCube and the original controllers that came with it still function today, over fifteen years later! Nintendo really *did* used to make things differently. I'm lucky enough not to have and serious drift on my Switch after three years, but my family's joy-cons drift considerably, and are always losing connection to the console when it's docked, too. If I'd gotten a controller like this ten or fifteen years ago, I'd have gotten an immediate refund because that sort of issue is unacceptable.
@@AmatMiguel That sounds like it'd be a line out of a Scott the Woz episode lmao
My joycons still work just fine. Ive used them since the switch launched
This is confusing to me from a business standpoint, since this is actually causing people to choose third party controllers over the real ones
I would assume, that casual players/parents will go ahead and purchase the original Nintendo joy-cons once the ones that came with the console break. Because "original is always better", right? Once those break, they might purchase third Party joy-cons. But by then, Nintendo already made their money, by having you pay for not only the console but also new Controllers to use with the console. If they fixed it, they would no longer benefit from it from a financial standpoint. If they dont fix it, there is a Chance of you spending money on new original joy-cons, if they Do fix it, there is no need for you to purchase new joy-cons in the First place.
I would assume that mainly their Reputation would benefit from a fix. But it seems like the money that joy-cons drift makes them outweigh any damage in Reputation. If there even is a significant damage in their Reputation, considering that probably Tons of people arent even aware that joy-con drift exist.
Nintendo has this weird habit of treating their fans like poop and then wondering why the fans like to use third party stuff and emulators so much. They'll just straight up never give their fans any way of playing certain games or will make a crappy botched port and sell it for 60 bucks under a limited release and then wonder why those people would want to emulate those games.
To use a food example, Nintendo is like the worlds most amazing pastry chef. All the stuff he makes is amazing but he used to make these amazing cinnamon buns, but doesn't anymore because i guess he just hates cinnamon buns now or something. People keep asking for cinnamon buns again but the chef keeps refusing.
Alternatively, he once made this really amazing strawberry shortcake. Everyone loved it, but now every time the chef makes it again, he just makes a plate of bread with some strawberry jam on it because he doesn't feel like making the people that liked the strawberry shortcake happy for some reason.
Now people are trying to reverse engineer the recipe to make something similar to those original cinnamon buns and strawberry shortcakes because the beloved chef refuses, and the chef assumes that everyone is being ungreatful for wanting to experience his cinnamon buns again instead of just wallowing in dispair forever, and why no one will accept his bread with jam on it as a sufficient replacement for the strawberry shortcake.
How is this confusing to you from a business prospective, they make so much money that investing the time, effort and most importantly money in fixing the issue will not make them more money than they’re already making if anything it will cause them to make less money because many people who have their joycons fail just get new ones. They would only fix it if it became a problem like the level of the old Xbox red ring of death
@@sackfu7952 …this analogy is so accurate that it’s scary. Adding onto that, every once in a while they’ll make a creme de la creme apple pie that surpasses their other foods, just to give us a taste of what they can do, but just as often hide it away for another 10-15 years at least. They remind us that they can make that supreme apple pie whenever they wanted, but just choose not to even though it’d be better for literally everyone if they did, and the best you can expect from the chef until then is for their friends to provide quality food.
For how much immensely problematic Joy-Con drift is, it’s remarkable how simple both the problem and solution are. At least, the solution would be simple if Nintendo just used normal philips-head screws instead of locking 99% of their users out with tri-wing.
And even with a proper tri wing, which took weeks to be delivered, i still wasnt able to open one of my joycons to repair it: the screws are so fragile and the holes so shallow that they turned to dust before I could get a single successful turn. After many hours, I ended up having to melt the plastic to open it, almost permanentelly damaging it and exposing myself to the smoke of the plastic. Now its held up by super glue and tape, and i know im basically counting the days until something stops working again and i have to go through this nightmare again
This is the reason I own a tri screwdriver. Both my joycons started drifting as if the stick was fully pressed upwards for up for a few seconds at random, a multiple times an hour. As a smash player, this was INFURIATING. So I bought the screw driver and did the card board trick with some Pokemon cards. It took me around 8 minutes for both and I haven't had a problem since. It's sad how easy this fix was and Nintendo won't do it themselves.
@@brualdasil2 oh god, Nintendos Tri wing screws were always utter trash. I have PTSD from stripping screws while opening up DS systems lol
Or maybe used different joysticks. Or even made their own.
Honestly, Kane's situation actually freaked me out. The idea that an update, something that is inherently supposed to IMPROVE the system could quite possibly make it unusable with no real way to repair it is terrifying.
One of those Nintendo updates actually screwed my switch's ability to download games for like a month, until they finally fixed their mess.. so much for ¨improvement¨
Sounds like a windows update :)
@@mysticfrace568 lmao I was about to say the same thing
yeah i had to replace my switch cartridge reader after an update because it just would flat out not read the cartidges
Now it makes me scared to use my Switch because that's something that could happen to anyone
I’ve said it countless times and I’ll say it again.
Nintendo is simultaneously the best and worst video game company
I believe this is the best way to say it..
A better way to put it is this:
They have the best developers and designers, but some of their business practices are just as bad as the worst parts of the industry.
They really are the Disney of gaming.
@@TheTundraTerror Disney's bad but Disney doesn't make you buy their priority hardware.
@@chaosjoey123
Well, that’s because they don’t make hardware.
Joy-Con drift is fake. It’s actually the souls of children who died after being caught by their parents playing DS after bedtime. They roam the world eternally attempting to play the latest Zelda and Pokémon games on your Switch.
It can't be fake and caused by ghosts. If it's fake, it doesn't happen. If it's caused by ghosts, it does happen.
Pick one.
@eric Spencer I know.
would explain why I have NEVER experienced drift while playing Luigi's mansion 3. They're scared of a ghost-hunting Luigi.
well man these children SUCK you can't beat the game by just holding one direction Timmy
FIVE NIGHTS AT FREEDDYS IS THIS WHERE YOU WANNA BE!
I feel like ever since Iwata and Reggie were out of the picture, Nintendo has changed entirely. Say what you will about the Wii U, but that thing was a very well-put together system that works tremendously well, gamepad and all. This is the case for literally every Nintendo system made before then as well.
Switch is fun for sure, but its also pretty crappily made and its controllers are frankly unacceptable. Worse off, they are trying to ignore it and hope people forget it or let it pass. Contrast this with Iwata cutting his own paycheck alone because of the Wii U's failure.
Also bears are wonderful creatures.
yeah for all the crap everyone gave the wii u, that thing was solid. no issues.
The game pad wasn’t amazing it was over designed and had the batter life of a tattletail but it didn’t just break randomly and the triggers/ shoulder buttons were amazing unlike the tiny joycon ones
Except the battery
My opinion on Iwata has always generally been along the lines of "I disagree with quite a few of his decisions but I don't doubt it when he says he's a gamer himself." In other words, while I thought he could be misguided, I knew those decisions came from a place of sincerity, and not malice.
Can't even remotely say the same about the current heads. I'll take the genuine misguided man than the evilly skilled one.
@@GreatFox42 To be honest I don't quite see Nintendo now as the skillful evil you describe either, they just are more out-of-touch than ever and are now to me kind of like how someone can love their grandpa but still hate the shit he does and wish he'd just get with the times. Hell, if you think about it, they're now using some of the philosophies used around the beginning of the Xbox 360 era but we're WAY past those for gaming in general.
I mean they do some shady shit and definitely cut corners now, but they also still make some quality games even now. If anything, I think they need to do a massive hire wave to get some new blood in the creative and business processes so they can see what is actually good for the company and what's not. To me, evil would be what EA or Blizzard/Activision does, but Nintendo honestly has the shadiest being greedy business decisions that piss off the fanbase. Nothing outright harmful, but still insulting and bad moves.
And without Iwata and Reggie, they don't have the quirky personalities to soften the blows either, so we now have Nintendo as some faceless corporation doing much the same shit they would do back then.
Bears are fucking sick. Love watching them wrestle, they have actual instinctual technique.
And, I suspect, the capability to learn as well.
polar bears have been known to knock on doors because they have seen us do it and the door opens..
I only seen 2 bears and they preferred kung-fu
Weeb
Fun fact about bears. Did you know that the Ainu, the native people of Japan's northern island Hokkaido, put a lot of cultural importance on bears? Some were even adopted into their villages and treated like children of their villages would, often even better.
Ah Sinnoh or Hisui if you prefer really does have quite a history with bears from what I remember hearing in Season 3 of Food Wars. Yes Hokkaido residents actually would hunt & eat bears according to that anime series. Of course the honey tree bears are insanely rare in recent years perhaps we'll see plenty of Munchlax, Snorlax, Teddiursa, & Ursaring in Legends Arceus?
Intrusting Fact for a Non-Nintendo Comment :3
Huh, the more you know
That's the opposite of China, where they torture bears to harvest them for their bile for Chinese folk medicine.
If anyone ver wants to lean more about Ainu just read the Golden Kamuy manga. It's good.
Nintendo is teaching me how to repair small electronics. For the first time in my life I've taken apart a handheld gaming console and replaced both a speaker and one of the joysticks.
The consumer shouldn't have to do this.
I shouldn’t have to be an professional engineer just to make my video game playable when the actual professionals who get actual paychecks are sitting around rushing out expensively junkish products.
When I tried to repair mine one of the ribbon cables snapped in half. With this and the recent shutdown of yuzu and citra, I'm beginning to hope something *really* terrible happens to Nintendo someday
"Let's talk about Bears"
Bears are carnivoran mammals of the family Ursidae. They are classified as caniforms, or doglike carnivorans. Although only eight species of bears are extant, they are widespread, appearing in a wide variety of habitats throughout the Northern Hemisphere and partially in the Southern Hemisphere. Bears are found on the continents of North America, South America, Europe, and Asia. Common characteristics of modern bears include large bodies with stocky legs, long snouts, small rounded ears, shaggy hair, plantigrade paws with five nonretractile claws, and short tails.
The cave bear (Ursus spelaeus) was a prehistoric species of bear that lived in Europe and Asia during the Pleistocene and became extinct about 24,000 years ago during the Last Glacial Maximum.
Polar bears are the most dangerous species to humans.
Polar bear fur is actually transparent, not white.
bruh
@@snapslingpeavine1371 what did I say :{
@@snapslingpeavine1371 ok??
@@snapslingpeavine1371 If you interpret it in that way, that's your own fault.
I can’t lie. It’s kind of impressive that joycons have been failing in EXACTLY the same way since launch.
Four console generations in the future Nintendo will offer nostalgia-laden joycons that drift “just like how you remember them!”
Editor Kane shouldn't feel "kinda" swindled, they should feel actually swindled. Bricking your system with an update and making you pay for the fix sounds pretty illegal, and charging someone for services that were not rendered I think is definitely illegal. Someone said they're in Europe so that might change things but Europe usually has better consumer protections on this kind of thing anyway.
Right, imagine if Apple did something like that. "Sorry we broke your $1000 phone, but the good news is our new phone is the low low price of $1200! Now will that be credit or debit?" People would riot.
Yep, especially the "repair" job. Should just take Nintendo to small claims court.
I hope he called his credit card company and got a charge back for receiving a broken piece of crap!
If i ever feel swindled on a lemon. I don’t call customer support or nothing. I buy the same product again (in cash when possible), put the broken one in and return it.
Cash is king, no trace.
@@Shaojeemy this is a great idea but only works if you have the spare cash to get a new system, even if you return the faulty one immediately
So in recent months modders have figures out that Joy Con drift generally results from insufficient pressure between the thumbsticks and their sensors, and can be easily fixed putting a 1cm×1cm square of thin cardboard under the thumbstick. Owners can easily fix this issue if they're careful, but Nintendo could apparently fix the issue permanently going forward with an imperceptibly small, zero cost change to the design.
Having taken apart joycons myself, I have to ask: Do you mean like directly underneath the circuit board that the joycon is attached too; to put a piece of thin cardboard between that and the back plastic casing of the controller itself? Or is it somewhere else?
Might wanna try this myself
Source? Imma need that hack bruh
Isn't that exactly what Arlo mentions around 8:03 in the video?
Drops of isopropyl alcohol on the joycon works temporarily. Let it soak down the sides while rotating the stick. I suspect the sensor gets accumulated dirt and the alcohol washes it away. Learned this trick with the WiiU console. High % alcohol is important as it quickly evaporates without leaving residue.
If it is caused by letting the analog stick flick back, it's still an issue because that's what analog sticks are designed to do. Your controller should NOT be sticking or drifting within a few years, or in most cases, a few months.
Man this joycon issue is so frustrating I can't even BEAR thinking about it.
But I wanted to do that. D:
I know. It's too GRIZZLY to even accept that it's real!
Got to admit it beary funny
THIS IS SO UNBEARABLE!
PERSONA!
I honestly think that the perfect hypothetical house pet would just be like a really tiny bear. Like a cat-sized bear. Imagine their big paws being little and nonthreatening like that. So cool.
A plush bear, but alive, then. That's how I see my dogs, on account of being so fluffy and cute. They don't look like bears, but close enough. When I see bear cubs playing around on a documentary, they do look just like a living plush bear to me and it seems obvious why they were emulated as a toy.
What the actual fuck is going on
@@gabeknight8710 I know right wtf are y’all on about
you on the right youtube video?
@@thatguy_luigi watch the whole thing
With the passing of our dear Iwata-san Nintendo seems to shift away from consumer satisfaction focusing on pure greed which one day might bite them in the wrong place. Sure the WiiU was a bust and they needed to make up for that to their investors. But as for me I worry that Nintendo will be synonymous with little to no effort for their products. You can see that in most of their games even today. 90% WiiU ports. The ports are fine and well worth it since these are good games which not many of us played. But where is the new content?
I miss the magic and humor he brought to directs
It's not just Joy-Cons. My Switch Lite I got in 2019 has just started drifting a little recently, despite the fact that I've been purposely gentle with it. Calibrating the control sticks helps, but the drifting is already starting to return after a month. At least with Joy-Cons and the normal Switch you can send in the ones you got with the console and continue playing, I have to send my entire console to Nintendo for them to fix their defective product, and with shipping delays that'll take the better part of a month. It's really frustrating to know that eventually I will HAVE to send in my console to get repaired.
Same sticks built in...so yeah, no wonder, they still have the same design flaw.
@@Niemand the Zeon pfp is crazy, I had to look real close to see it wasn’t a swastika 😭
@@exotictrash2234 I guess that can happen...
My Lite isn’t NEARLY as old as yours (I got it in January 2022), but I’m having serious problems with my stick that are finally affecting gameplay enough to keep me from wanting to turn the thing on at all.
I can only play games with one-handed capabilities as a incomplete quadriplegic, which for me at least atm me means Pokemon Shield. I don’t know if the left side is like this too but my right stick just doesn’t work sometimes at all. Sometimes it drifts. Sometimes it suddenly stops when my character is moving and I have to just fiddle it around until I start moving again, and sometimes when I’m using it to scroll through a menu it either sticks or continuously scrolls after I let it go…And obviously we can’t replace the controller.
I don’t know what to do anymore, but my desire to finish this game is almost nonexistent now. Not a great first video game experience tbh!
Bears are carnivoran mammals of the family Ursidae. They are classified as caniforms, or doglike carnivorans. Although only eight species of bears are extant, they are widespread, appearing in a wide variety of habitats throughout the Northern Hemisphere and partially in the Southern Hemisphere. Bears are found on the continents of North America, South America, Europe, and Asia. Common characteristics of modern bears include large bodies with stocky legs, long snouts, small rounded ears, shaggy hair, plantigrade paws with five nonretractile claws, and short tails.
While the polar bear is mostly carnivorous, and the giant panda feeds almost entirely on bamboo, the remaining six species are omnivorous with varied diets. With the exception of courting individuals and mothers with their young, bears are typically solitary animals. They may be diurnal or nocturnal and have an excellent sense of smell. Despite their heavy build and awkward gait, they are adept runners, climbers, and swimmers. Bears use shelters, such as caves and logs, as their dens; most species occupy their dens during the winter for a long period of hibernation, up to 100 days.
Bears have been hunted since prehistoric times for their meat and fur; they have been used for bear-baiting and other forms of entertainment, such as being made to dance. With their powerful physical presence, they play a prominent role in the arts, mythology, and other cultural aspects of various human societies. In modern times, bears have come under pressure through encroachment on their habitats and illegal trade in bear parts, including the Asian bile bear market. The IUCN lists six bear species as vulnerable or endangered, and even least concern species, such as the brown bear, are at risk of extirpation in certain countries. The poaching and international trade of these most threatened populations are prohibited, but still ongoing.
The family Ursidae is one of nine families in the suborder Caniformia, or "doglike" carnivorans, within the order Carnivora. Bears' closest living relatives are the pinnipeds, canids, and musteloids.[12] Modern bears comprise eight species in three subfamilies: Ailuropodinae (monotypic with the giant panda), Tremarctinae (monotypic with the spectacled bear), and Ursinae (containing six species divided into one to three genera, depending on the authority). Nuclear chromosome analysis show that the karyotype of the six ursine bears is nearly identical, each having 74 chromosomes (see Ursid hybrid), whereas the giant panda has 42 chromosomes and the spectacled bear 52. These smaller numbers can be explained by the fusing of some chromosomes, and the banding patterns on these match those of the ursine species, but differ from those of procyonids, which supports the inclusion of these two species in Ursidae rather than in Procyonidae, where they had been placed by some earlier authorities.
The earliest members of Ursidae belong to the extinct subfamily Amphicynodontinae, including Parictis (late Eocene to early middle Miocene, 38-18 Mya) and the slightly younger Allocyon (early Oligocene, 34-30 Mya), both from North America. These animals looked very different from today's bears, being small and raccoon-like in overall appearance, with diets perhaps more similar to that of a badger. Parictis does not appear in Eurasia and Africa until the Miocene.[14] It is unclear whether late-Eocene ursids were also present in Eurasia, although faunal exchange across the Bering land bridge may have been possible during a major sea level low stand as early as the late Eocene (about 37 Mya) and continuing into the early Oligocene.[15] European genera morphologically very similar to Allocyon, and to the much younger American Kolponomos (about 18 Mya),[16] are known from the Oligocene, including Amphicticeps and Amphicynodon.[15] There has been various morphological evidence linking amphicynodontines with pinnipeds, as both groups were semi-aquatic, otter-like mammals.[17][18][19] In addition to the support of the pinniped-amphicynodontine clade, other morphological and some molecular evidence supports bears being the closest living relatives to pinnipeds.[20][21][22][18][23][19]
Life restoration of Arctotherium bonariense
The raccoon-sized, dog-like Cephalogale is the oldest-known member of the subfamily Hemicyoninae, which first appeared during the middle Oligocene in Eurasia about 30 Mya.[15] The subfamily includes the younger genera Phoberocyon (20-15 Mya), and Plithocyon (15-7 Mya). A Cephalogale-like species gave rise to the genus Ursavus during the early Oligocene (30-28 Mya); this genus proliferated into many species in Asia and is ancestral to all living bears. Species of Ursavus subsequently entered North America, together with Amphicynodon and Cephalogale, during the early Miocene (21-18 Mya). Members of the living lineages of bears diverged from Ursavus between 15 and 20 Mya,[24][25] likely via the species Ursavus elmensis. Based on genetic and morphological data, the Ailuropodinae (pandas) were the first to diverge from other living bears about 19 Mya, although no fossils of this group have been found before about 5 Mya.
You asked for it, I gave it to you. This is the only use I can think of for wickepidea. 20:16
This is the wikipedia article for bears
Wow, nice job with this comment. 👏
Thank you kind sir, very insightful. You have inspired me to learn more. Now I have gained a driver’s license, got married, raised a child, got a pilot’s license, wrote a book, became a MasterChef, mastered nuclear physics, found the cure for cancer, discovered lightspeed travel, tested interdimensional travel, found another planet suitable for human life, successfully restored all cryogenically frozen humans, made out with Elon Musk, earned multiple Grammies for my work in nine-dimensional Xeyorpic music, proved the existence of God, found the Fountain of Youth, watched our original solar system collapse, found ways to catch and mine minerals from asteroids, shut down Nestlè for good, get into an interspecies war with Wasicloptoids, learnt how to harness energy from Quasars, became a intergalactic POW, upgraded myself into a cyborg, broke out of a high security prison, gave useful intel, became a war hero and found the KFC secret 11 herbs and spices recipe (I will not tell you all of it, but two of them are garden soil and flour).
Pandas are not true bears
hmm... wow... fascinating...
Man I really miss Iwata sometimes. I just feel like something like this would not happen under his control. Really just seemed like a great guy.
I guess part of the problem is Tatsumi Kimishima. He appears to be a more corporate-oriented person than Iwata, and that’s probably why we are in this joy-con mess and don’t forget that the retail price for the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller is still $70. There is some serious price-gouging going on.
@@boundlessaether392 my pro controller has snapback, so playing ssbu kinda sucks 😂
@@Shaojeemy That should not be happening to a $70 controller!
@@boundlessaether392 fully agree!
Iwata truly was the man who had our backs.
I have gone through at least SIX switch controllers. I’ve also noticed the problem extends even to the “pro”, and gamecube versions. And these things are like 50 to 60 bucks each. If they break so easily and they know it, why charge the price of a normal fully functional controller? I mean I know why, it’s just a horrible thing to do to long time fans
The Nintendo Pro Controller? 😨
@@Niborino9409 yes unfortunately. And with the cool LED lights in it too. If I remember correctly it didn’t even last a year. I’m sure mileage on them can very depending on how often they’re used, but I’ve never had controllers break that fast
But gamecube takes ages and time to even start drifting.
I had some friends over on my birthday, and we tried playing multiplayer on the Switch. Bad idea. One of the controllers wasn't working because after I opened it up to fix the drift, I accidentally disconnected a cable involved with the bluetooth pairing, and it didn't work. (I had had it connected in hand-held mode for a while, and never noticed the problem.) Once I took a break from playing to fix the problem, the controller was still acting weird, and was registering a "B" input during Mario Kart, causing me to accelerate and brake at the same time, sending me all the way to last place right after the starting line. (I think it might have had something to do with me sitting too far from the console and causing connection issues, but I really couldn't say.) I had to ditch the right joy-con and just play with the left held sideways, which really isn't very comfortable. Oh, and I think joystick started to drift on a different controller at some point that night.
Couch multi-player is supposed to be _easy_ on a game console, but that night it was anything but. Remember when Nintendium was the strongest material known to man? Those days are behind us, it seems.
P.S.: I wanted to mention one more thing: the plastic grille over the heatsink and fan broke off my Switch a while ago, and due to a lack of time and/or motivation, I can't be bothered to fix it. So yeah, the hardware on this thing is shoddy in a lot of ways.
It is a sign of a true fan when they are able to look at the flaws of something they find enjoyment in, and can be truthful about those flaws.
Is a sign of being a fool
@@rmv9194 I think you are the fool for saying “is” instead of “it’s” lol
@@rmv9194 can you read?
@@rmv9194 okay, but.. you can still really like something and still see it's flaws and things that need to get better. Being a fan doesn't mean ignoring all the flaws of the things you like, it's acknowledging those flaws in hopes that the company can do better with the constructive criticism they're receiving.
5:00 I'm an attorney and I want to briefly address this whole idea that Nintendo can't fix the problem because that would be tantamount to an admission of guilt. This is not true. Subsequent remedial measures are inadmissible to prove liability or culpable conduct. In other words, if a company takes steps to fix a problem after the fact, the person suing them can't bring that up as proof of their guilt in a court of law. The policy reason for this rule is that otherwise companies would be discouraged from fixing problems after they occur.
I doubt what in gonna say is true but considering Nintendos skulls that are so thick they cant listen to anything, i wouldn't be surprised if they somehow aren't aware of that lol
Ah
So your saying there only doing because of *MONEY*
Something that was left out of the video is the fact that this problem is no longer limited to Joycons. Switch Pro Controllers have started to experience drift as well. The one I have right now has a slight leftward tilt when I use it that drove me nuts when I was trying to 100% Mario Odyssey last month. This tells me that the issue is simply a design flaw in the way that the sticks are set up, a problem that Nintendo's hardward division could have easily spent the pandemic on the drawing board to fix if they cared.
It always pisses me off when my left Joy Con basically does the exact opposite of what I actually want it to do! Like when I was playing Age of Calamity, I was on an incredibly difficult challenge, often having to restart multiple times, only for my shitty Joy Con at one point to choose "Exit Scenario" instead of retry. A massive fuckload of rare, expensive, & hard to find materials I used to play this challenge ended up being completely wasted to that Joy Cons drift!!!! & as I was venting my anger, my Dad intervened, made my problems worse, & used everything I said against me in the most hateful & insensitive way he could. Not only is Joy Con drift ruining game experience, but it breaks real life bonds as well! Something must be done & soon!
what did your dad do?
Bears are great! They’re like these giant, rotund dogs that are totally aggressive and yet also adorable when they aren’t trying to be intimidating. The amount and range of expression on these animals is astounding.
Also Scott thought that Mario Party was a bear that’s funny
I hate bears. Bears directly correlated with my crypto losses
Nah, gex
Personally I find them unBEARable
As an owner of a Switch Lite.... everytime the drift starts, I get so freaking scared. Because I can't just pop those off, they're there, permanently
You can still take it apart and put new sticks in yourself, without the need for soldering.
I worry about my little cousin. Her parents bought her a switch lite for her birthday this year. As the resident video game "expert" in my family, however, I really wish they would have consulted me first because I would have told them to spring the extra cash for the original just because the added hassle of fixing drift on a lite isn't worth it.
@@redwidow1358 always try to spray with contact cleaner first before attempting to replace the sticks.
I bought a drifting switch lite SUPER CHEAP, turns out a few spray of contact cleaner into the sticks and it fix the drift issue.
@@EmeralBookwise No one's doing that
@@secureb00t39:could have sworn the full switch had gotten a price drop that made difference only $50 (must have been just a sale I saw), but even at $100 I still think the lite is a bad long-term investment. I would have offered to spring the added difference myself to upgrade my cousin.
The permanently attached joycons just create other potential compatibility limitations, even if drift wasn't a problem. Nintendo really should just also make a model packaged with no dock as a middle ground option.
When I was a lot younger, a ton of my “main” Nintendo stuff was special/limited edition. I had the ACNL and Pokémon 20th anniversary 3DSes, and I used those Mario Wii remotes with my Wii U all the time. When I got my ACNH switch, the first thing I did was buy a second pair of joy cons so I didn’t ruin the animal crossing ones. All my limited edition Switch stuff stays out of use for fear of exactly this happening.
"If I was struggling with a faulty controller during my most formative years, and had no help and no alternatives or replacements, who knows how that would have effected my enjoyment of games and ultimately my love of them moving beyond that point?"
Me, thinking back to our old Atari with off brand controllers: Ehhhhhh, as long as I could play at all, I was happy, lol.
Seriously, though, this is getting a bit ridiculous. I feel like my joy cons are akin to unicorns at this point, having never had that problem, but my nephews sure have, and it's definitely annoying. Just because they CAN play through it doesn't mean they should have to.
At the house I grew up in, there was this one bear who showed up every year. It started off small, but kept growing bigger with each passing year. My family called it Bob. A few years ago there were some new buildings constructed nearby, and ever since then, we never saw Bob again. I like to think Bob's moved on and found a nice place to live out their days. With greener pastures, and fuller trashcans...
Sending good vibes to Bob
No need to press a button to drift in Mario Kart. The Joycons will do it for you.
LMAO
So that’s what they call « auto-drift » ?
Its not a bug its a feature ✨
This joke has gotten so old that it's not funny anymore.
Hi Woz, congrats on airing on 4G
Thanks for holding Nintendo’s feet to the fire on this. It’s very important we keep bringing this up. If you truly love something you need to be able call it out when it screws up or actively make bad decisions. Otherwise we may lose what made us love it in the first place.
The magic at nintendo died when Iwata did. I really do feel like they're becoming just another cold company. When a company says "we want to be like Disney", worry
Dumb brain. Iwata region locked my consoles that I paid for.
I can't believe some people like to blame the joycon owners themselves, citing that we "don't take care of them."
Let me tell you something; I've owned many consoles and controllers for decades. I have 3 Gamecube controllers, one of them being chewed up, and I guarantee you that if I plugged any of them in, they would still work perfectly fine, hell I use one of my old Gamecube controllers often for Smash locals and it works like new.
So that being said, I highly doubt it's because of me, especially since I've been through 3 pairs and have been extremely careful with all of them.
I'll never understand people who defend corporations when they are responsible
Also the customer is always right lol
My controllers for my SNES, Gamecube, Wii, Wii-U, Playstation, Playstation 2, PS4, and XBox One all still work perfectly and I've literally never had to take them apart for maintenance or repair (and considering the SNES, GC, PS1, PS2, & Wii survived my childhood with my sister, all our friends, and all our cousins, they've been through some pretty rough use). I was a late purchaser of the Switch, and am on my third set of joycons in three years. To me this pretty clearly indicates the issue is definitely with the Joycons, and not how I use them.
I can see it being a preference action something like what Arlo said with slamming the stick back instead of gradually putting it back. With that said, this is a critical error judging by the fact that NO other controller the past 3 gens can boast this type of issue.
Like if you can have controllers that have lasted for years doing the exact same thing that bricks a switch controller, then the switch controller is the problem.
@@soaringstars314 in this case, yeah they are always right
Gamecube controllers literally are better broken in lol
Got to give credit to Microsoft for taking a billion-dollar L in acknowledging the red ring of death issue and most importantly fixing it. that's all I have to say about that
If you ask me, Microsoft is proving to be the most consumer friendly out of the big three lately.
Xbox Game Pass
Modern hardware is backwards compatible with the oldest games
And I actually see the newer Xboxs in stock.
I've always been a bigger Sony/Nintendo fan but honestly Microsoft is looking better than at least Nintendo with all this going on
I'm very neutral to all gaming sides but, honestly, Microsoft is doing the best so far during the pandemic, like, hell Game Pass, their hardware, xCloud. etc.
Xbox introduced paid online first, and brought micro transactions to consoles first as well. They’ve harmed the community just as bad as the other 2. If not worse than them, considering devs are leaning hard on milking people thru dlc, etc.
@@Evil_Chronic Ur right about payed online but Microtransactions came before Xbox. The answer ur looking for is Bethesda and DLC's were loved until the digital age and more specifically GTA.
The switch's life was supposed to be about 9 years. That means the switch only has about 3 more good years. They are not going to make new joycons. It is cheaper to refurbish old ones.
The fact that Nintendo has been getting away with this mess, is mind boggling to me
Yknow, I used to like bears. They’re cute, and cuddly, and are such a family brand. I could always trust bears. But then one hit me in the head.
Ever since then, I couldn’t walk straight. I didn’t notice it at first, but one might say that I was… “drifting” around after that bear hit me.
I got it fixed, but turned out the surgeon was also a bear, so I started drifting again about a year after I had the first surgery.
Underrated comment
The Build-A-Bear effect.
I see what you did bear
Seeing a company that went out of their way to drop the DS and continue work on it to make sure it can withstand being dropped at waist length and also being responsible for the gamecube controller, which is arguably one of the best controllers, it really makes me sad that they sank this low.
My left joy con developed the dreaded “joy con drift,” but I was able to replace the analog stick assembly without much trouble. I would however like to mention that I’ve had many problems with the DualShock 4 controllers for my PS4. The first controller that came included with the console developed a weird problem where it would input left on the left stick when I pressed r2. Second controller developed drift on the right stick after a year. Third controller had the same issue and on the fourth controller, the down input on the d-pad stopped working. I’m on my fifth controller, but I haven’t been using my PS4 as often so the controller is still functional. It might seem like I don’t take care of my controllers, but I have old n64 and GameCube controllers that work perfectly fine. I believe Ifixit mentioned that most modern controllers use the same analog stick assembles from the same company and have a limited service life. It wouldn’t be so bad if the manufacturers considered the analog sticks as consumables and made them cheap and easy to replace. Even if you send in your controller for warranty repair, they are just going to use the same parts and the same problems will develop.
"But Arlo! If you complain then they lose the company and we all never have Nintendo games again."
This attitude helps no one. I agree with you Arlo.
The unfortunate reality is, Nintendo will probably never fix Joy-Con drift. This issue causes people to buy more Joy-Cons as they no longer function, and this brings in more profits for Nintendo as a result.
I was hoping they'd be updated with the OLED. 💯
No, people buy pro controllers instead lol, no one cares about joycons just because of the drift issue.
Its should be a bare necessity that a huge company like Nintendo should bear the burden of providing quality as we bare our wallets to their products.
I pray this doesn't just barely scratches them but that it reaches deep like a bear claw to face so that they will change and bear the responsibility of equity and fairness.
Go bears!!!
I was so disappointed the other day to discover that my limited edition skyward sword joycons have started to show signs of drifting. And on top of that, my pro controller that I’ve had basically since launch date, has also begun to have issues.
The first time my joy cons drifted I bought a set of "Split Pads" (3rd party joy cons that are also the size of a full controller) and never looked back.
Between both the drifting and joy cons being a bit small for my taste.
Hori Split Pad Pros can get Drift too over time, it happened to me after a year.
@@omegadrive9999 well to be fair ALL modern controllers get drift eventual I guess the real question is how common and how early.
If any one else can chime in so I have a larger data set be nice to know.
@@Left4Cake Maybe one day they can create a new type of controller like one with a Embossed Touch Pad in place of a Stick.
"Bears can run, bears can swim, bears can climb, bears are terrifying and adorable at the same time."
- A Bear-ly component bear poem
With how often their hardware fails us and prevents us from playing games, we might as well call them killjoys, so would their downsides be killjoy-cons?
Get off the stage!
Take your like and leave.
Defo cons in the joy ok I'll stop
2 years later and nothing has changed
The joycon drift is un-bear-able!
It is pretty ironic "joy" is in the name when these controllers have brought me and many others nothing but sadness and annoyance.
Also could anyone tell me if I could get mine fixed for free? I live in the US in the mid-west.
@@zachcoats4849 Yes, you can. I got mine fixed for free.
@@lalehiandeity1649 i sent and received 4 pairs lol
remember all those people who accidentally yeeted wii remotes into their TV back in the day?
Yeah i’m fairly certain those wii remotes still work better than 50% of joycons.
If the Wiimote hits the TV, it's the TV that breaks.
If the Joy-Con hits the TV, it's the Joy-Con that breaks.
I know this is a year old video, and this is a bit outside this channels focus. But I figured it is prudent to mention that there is a Hall effect joystick replacement that was released by Guilikit. Anyone who can or is willing to replace them, that’s the best bet to avoid drift ever reoccurring. Drift is possible on any potentiometer-based sticks (though the switch sticks seem much more common). I know it’s not a great solution for all folks, but if you can’t get Nintendo to fix it for free or don’t want to have to keep sending it to them, it’s the only real way since Nintendo won’t fix it.
Fun story about bears , as a kid i was terrified by bears , just the idea of this big monster that could kill me before i could scream "OH, SHIT! A BEAR" shivered my timbers . Now I am afraid that other people hate me . I miss being sceared by bears .
I don’t hate you... yet.
All of this was obvious 1 year into the switches life, and it's only gotten worse as time moves on, Nintendo has pretended nothing is wrong, and the EU and French governments are loosing patience. I've stopped using joycons and bought a pair of 3rd party controllers but none of them have the same feature set though they don't seem to break. The incredible thing about this situation is that theres an obscene amount of money waiting for the company that designs a viable alternative to the joycon's as long as Nintendo won't, yet no one is stepping up to the plate.
People probably aren't stepping up to the plate because:
- controllers with that feature set are probably expensive to design
- the parts for them are expensive
- the profit margins are slim
and if all of that wasn't bad enough, make them too similar and Nintendo might be able to sue, which means your already slim profit margins are potentially gone in paying for the lawsuit
I bought a third party joycon in amazon for around 30$ a so far it works like a charm. It sucks we have to pay extra because of nintendo's fuckery though
I've been eyeing a third party d-pad joycon (the zelda one) but the only thing keeping me from buying it is it only comes with the left joycon. If it was a set, I'd buy it in a heartbeat and use my joycons only for motion controls and maybe amiibo
When it comes to bears, I used to really just still with my classic grizzly bear, perfect for the whole family through multiple generations, but recently they've just been so upsettingly insulting and anti consumer that even though they're finally, FINALLY doing a few things to please the grizzly fan population, I'm honestly just burnt out. Even thought I've been a grizzly guy my whole life, I'm not looking forwards to the next generation, and I probably won't even buy into it. I recently made the transition first the the team green black bears, then from there to the super hyrpercustom panda master race, and it has been shocking to me how much I've missed out on. And with the new panda deck coming out next year, I think I'm honestly just about done with grizzlies for good, because even though I want to love them and support them and I always have, taking a year to track down a specific panda component that is in shortage has been a more consumer friendly and rewarding endeavor
Which bear is best?
Also, do you believe that bears eat beets?
@@bugboy9795 I know you didn't ask me, but ice bears are the best bears by far... And they will eat everything and everyone if given the chance. You can’t run. You can’t swim. You can’t play dead. They will find you and they won’t just cuddle.
I loved playing on the switch as I very rarely get the TV to play my games on (the kids take priority). I gave up on it after having replaced sticks in two sets of joycons and drift came back again. I'm tired of getting frustrated by hardware issues so I stopped playing the switch. Now I'm excited for the steam deck and am streaming to my phone using a controller with it in until I'm able to get the steam deck.
tysm for keeping a spotlight on this issue.
I remember being so excited for the Joy-Cons, only for me to ignore most of the features that make it so expensive and for the things to break down.
The ergonomics are horrible. Need a lawsuit for carpal tunnel that they give. Hori split pad is great. Too bad no motion controls
Yeah, I agree. The Joy-Cons looked like kinda like a Wii Remote 2 or something, but it turned out super disappointing.
The pro controller is the unsung hero of Switch controllers if you ask me.
@@Yorgivgm9618 Eh, I maybe super unlucky but one of my pro controllers kinda drifts a tiny bit….
@@jackjensensplaythroughsrev49 Hmm strange, got mine used in really good condition almost 5 years ago, sticks are a little loose, but no drift.
Next Nintendo console release…I’m waiting a couple of years before getting one just to see what kinds of problems they neglect.
Same for me.
...assuming Pikmin 4 isn't a launch title at least...
I'm just not gonna buy anymore
Same. Plus I’m losing interest in gaming as I’m getting older
@@krypto1390 same
Yup, no reason not to beside fomo if you can't get past that. More games, accessories, cheaper prices, less waiting, it's pretty awesome in the latter part of a console lifespan usually.
I've been cutting back on gaming altogether to try and focus more on my studies, and will probably stop playing new games completely if consoles go all digital one day.
I love my retro games and never get tired of going back to them.
I fixed my joycon with some folded up electrical tape underneath the stick. Haven’t had a hint of drift since the repair. Rubbing alcohol under the rubber worked before that but much more temporarily and eventually stopped all together.
I’ve experienced joycon drift on every single joycon I’ve ever had. It’s completely maddening. 😬
I’m convinced half of my deaths in Metroid Dread were “drift deaths,” unless they overcompensated for the Adam controversy in Other M by making Samus only obey inputs when she good and felt like it.
That happened to me a ton in Splatoon 2. So many times I’d go for a big jump but my Inkling just would not go far enough and fall to his death. I’m so glad I have a Pro Controller now.
That’s a very petty characterization of Samus. lol
Oh, I have no doubt that half or more of my deaths in Dread we're because of drift. My left joycon still technically has a full range of motion, but most of the time it thinks the neutral position is pointing straight up. This meant that I had to use the standing free aim mode more than is probably intended, thus limiting my ability to to run and gun.
Even as such EMMIs and other situations requiring precision aiming were a pain because my aim would constantly wobble.
@@EmeralBookwise yep, mine thinks the neutral position is right forward. It’s a mild annoyance in Animal Crossing, it was infuriating in Dread.
Funny enough, as soon as you uploaded this, after 4 years or so, both of my joycons finally got drift, and quite severe as well. Unfortunately, I've lost hope in Nintendo fixing them. I miss back when they used to put love and care into their products.
4 years is pretty good, actually. Any analogue stick will develop drift eventually. There's moving parts in regular friction with one another, after all.
@@ChiGyu620 I mean, the only controller I’ve ever lost specifically to drift was the joy-cons. Never had it with Wii U gamepad/pro controller, nor 3rd party Wii U controller, nor Wii nunchucks, my 3rd party Xbox controller only died due to sticky buttons, and so far my DS4 is still working fine
Edit: and it’s not like I treated these particularly well either, the Wii nunchucks are originally from when I was in elementary school, and they survived whatever hell young me put them through just fine
I appreciate what you did at 9:58 with the gameplay.
I've gone through six joycons personally. Six. I tried all of the minor tips and tricks on every single one of them; canned air, contact cleaner, re-calibrating, etc., and nothing ever seemed to fix them. Eventually after my third pair quit on me I threw my hands up in despair and just ordered the parts myself and managed to replace the sticks with the help of my mother who's a lab tech and works with fiddly, delicate machines all the time. Ironically ever since she worked her magic on them they've lasted longer than any Nintendo issued joycon I've owned lmao.
Time to just get a pro controller unless u play undocked alot I play like 90% of the time docked so I rarely use the joycons
You too? I threw a set of Amazon sticks in my joy cons a few years ago, and they have now lasted a lot longer than my OEM's.
Pretty depressing to think Amazon might have higher quality sticks than Nintendo, but thats where we are.
Yea my understanding is that the parts Nintendo uses for the joystick are not good. I bought my switch and breath of the wild, played through it (50-60 hours), played sword and shield (20ish hours), and by the end of that my left joycon was drifting so bad it was unusable. I'm incredibly gentle and take deep care of my electronics. Considering joycons are like $80, I just said fuck it and bought an 8bitdo pro controller. It's fantastic. Highly recommend. Otherwise, yea replacing the stick is probably the best option. Thankfully it's not terribly difficult lol
@@zacharybecker8228 I still use my 8bitdo when undocked. I just put the switch standing somewhere without the joycons. I don't like holding it anyway.
The only time i’ll ask someone for their mother’s services in good conscious
When I was little I got a GameCube that was covered in stickers. I didn't like that so I peeled them off but then it was sticky. I tried to use a toothbrush and sticky remover to take it off. Except the sticky remover was apparently really caustic because the Toothbrush melted into Goo and soaked into every crack of the GameCube.
It still worked.
The GameCube controllers I use that came with a Gcube bundled with Mario Party 7 still works perfectly fine. The only drift I've experienced I think is a problem with the calibration when first booting up games, but it immediately fixes itself when replugging
@@CarbonMalite The only serious Nintendo hardware issue I've ever seen before the Switch is N64 controller sticks getting worn out by too much Mario Party and the standard 3DS L and r buttons giving out.
Those are very minor problems compared to the Switch's issues.
@@quinnsinclair7028 Same. My 3DS lost its rubber pad on the stick from playing Smash but it never malfunctioned outside of a slightly sticky button
i got my switch on launch almost five years ago and it still works perfectly fine. I've carried it in my bag to school at times, on travel to visit family, it came back home with me from my apartment when i moved back to my parents place. it's been with me through numerous hospital visits. I've been through 3 sets of joycons and two times i replaced just the left side, but *all* the sticks got really bad drift.
Same here
On the joycon issue, I've somehow had my Switch and two pairs of joycons since 2019 and haven't had any issues with drift yet. But although I've been extremely lucky in this regard, several people I personally know have not. So many of my friends have had tons of problems with drift, and most of them had no idea about the free repairs that were offered until I told them about it.
And as you said, I still have no idea what causes these issues to affect so many people while not affecting some people like me.
"Oh my joycons are drifting."
"Oh my pro controller is drifting."
"Oh all my replacements are drifting."
"Oh Smash Ultimate has the most latency of any game in the franchise."
"Oh all my games have bad netcode."
"Oh I have to pay for online."
When are we gonna admit the Switch kind of sucks? I played Yoshi's Wooly World on my Wii U and everything works. The game pad is nearly a decade old and it works perfectly. No latency and no drift. This is really sad.
It will be the predominant opinion once the console is shelved and people look back at all the issues this console has had.
The gimmick in this case, a portable home console, completely overshadowed everything else about it.
It's basically the opposite of the Wii U, where the gimmick was almost negligible to the reception, and its lack of notoriety actually hurt the console's short term legacy- which is that it was a solid console with a lot of room for hacking, which people are enjoying now.
I mainly hate that they never released a home-only Switch for a lower price, which is what many people wanted as time went on and their Switch's were docked 24/7. This would have also offered a chance for a sturdier design and better hardware. And I'm perpetually annoyed that this console completely breaks with backwards compatibility.
Nintendrones don't want to admit that because "EeT teH fAsTeSt sElLiNg CoNsOlE iN hIsToRy" And let's not forget about the soulless home screen with no start up music,no themes,complicated friend codes with numbers longer than your phone number,and the worst part is that it doesn't even acknowledge your birthday
@@albertthepeacock8020 I don't care if the home screen is boring. I just want my console to work.
When the switch first came out it all sounded good on paper but it has so many problems that I can't consider it a good console. The fact we now have to pay for online is just awful when I could turn on my 3DS and connect to the internet without worrying when it will expire or if I have the funds to renew it. Controllers have so many problems I have had to send every single one in. I got a switch lite to use for single player games and only use my regular switch for when I want to play with my family. Really hope they make a better functioning console by next gen
Great games, great idea, great designs...
HORRIBLE user eco-system engineering.
The latter is becoming more and more important in the modern day.
A theory: The Joycon design is so inherently limited that Nintendo hasn't been able to come up with an alternative design with equivalent function and really *really* doesn't want the public to know this. So they hang on, keep the repair offers open, and deal with the lawsuits in the meantime. Fixing drift would require such an overhaul of the design that they view it as only possible with an entire overhaul of the design (that is - a new console).
Nah the drifting is created because they havent used enough of lubricant. This also could happen because they knew people will buy normal expensive normal controler
Yeah, I have a feeling that the reason there has been no change is because they can't address the issue without a major redesign, and doing so might put them in legal hot water because of the lawsuit.
It's painfully obvious that Nintendo are just waiting out the rest of the Switch's life, not even just with the Joy-Con. They're stalling so much right now that it's not even hard to notice.
They clearly planned to have the Switch's successor out by now, otherwise we wouldn't have had this slipshod year of Bowser's Furies, OLED models, Expansion Paks and Game & Watches.
They just need to keep stringing people along until they announce the Switch's successor next year, where they'll advertise "new Joy-Con design" as a selling point.
@@Ebi_fuwafuwa On the bright side, Nintendo really can't afford to launch a successor that doesn't directly address the issue.
The success of a new console lies in the hands of early adopters, most of which are hardcore fans. We're not going to rush to preorder the 'Switch 2' if they don't make it clear that they've redesigned the Joy-Con.
If drift was this big of a problem with Nintendo hardware before the Switch's launch, people would have been far less willing to pick up the Zelda machine that it was, and the Switch would not have succeeded as well as it did.
Nintendo knows that if the successor doesn't address the major issues with the Switch on top of adding improvements, then it won't do nearly as well - *especially* now that it won't be launching in an uncontested market, thanks to the Steam Deck and the Switch itself, which both will likely be cheaper options to the consumer.
If they don't plan carefully enough, they'll end up with another Wii U.
Wasn’t a fix for drift a piece of cardboard
@@alfo2804 Actually it's probably more that they got a contract with a company producing the part; I bought a two pack of third party sticks for my original controllers and I daresay they're even more responsive than the new joycons I got later. Nintendo probably signed a deal with one company, and now can't back out and change suppliers without severe money issues. That's my bet, anyway, because it's not as if the part doesn't exist elsewhere or that it's a deep, systemic flaw with the mainboard and other parts too. It's literally just that the stick module they used is kinda tripe, and they just-... don't change their supplier to a more reliable one.
Harping on an ongoing problem when many others have just let it go? Arlo, you're turning into Jim Steph Sterling... and I'm loving it!
I had joycon drift as well, I first learned about it when I was playing Undertale when my character decides to run left instead of anywhere else. I called Nintendo at least three times about this problem, they offered to repair them after the fourth call when I told them that my troubleshooting was shot. Very sloppy.
Mr. Iwata is rolling over in his grave.
When I first noticed the drift I thought it was cool. It happened in random spurts at the time but soon became an all the time occurance. I didn't have to pay to get them fixed because the first lawsuit had just came out. When the left one was returned I had a few good months out of them before both joycons started to drift. It wasn't too hard to deal with but I had to turn the joystick sensitvity all the way down to lessen the effects and played with them in handheld but ended up using my controller at home. Just recently I sent the joycons to be repaired after learning the free repairs were still a thing and haven't had trouble yet.
And just recently I was speaking about this BS. This is not the Nintendo who cared about durability like the one we knew under Iwata.
People really need to stop bringing up Iwata and acting like the company was so much better under his leadership, as if he would have stepped down from his throne and said "No, this will not stand!"
You have to remember just how many terrible decisions happened under him as well. Please just let the man's name rest.
@@redwidow1358 Like what?
@@saltyralts For example, the Wii was a console that was supposed to be able to play DVDs, and early units can have this functionality hacked back in, but later ones use an entirely different disc drive. Nintendo seemingly didn't want to pay the license for the ability to play these discs on their system.
Another issue with the Wii was the choice for it to be so tiny, and stuck with a 480p max resolution. They've admitted in interviews that they wish the Wii had been HD from the start, and it really would have been better this way. Even if they had changed absolutely nothing else about the system, be it games, controllers, you name it, just a simple thing like HDMI output and a higher resolution would have opened the door to a lot more use, it would have lived a longer life, and the resolution increase means the Wii would have needed stronger hardware, so we can assume games would have been at least a little higher quality.
The Wii U was a whole disaster and a half I could go on about for ages, and you've probably seen TH-cam videos going over why the system flopped so hard, but to quickly summarize, the marketing was confusing and not very good, many consumers believed it was just an upgrade for the Wii, or that it was just a $300 tablet, or were confusing it with an existing drawing tablet accessory. Perhaps the biggest problems were the decision to cram gamepad interaction into everything, including literally the fucking system settings, and the decision to use a PowerPC architecture for the system's processor. I bought a Wii U last year, and the seller didn't tell me there was no battery for the gamepad, so I had to wait a week for a new battery and cover to come in the mail before I could so much as connect it to my internet. And the hardware was difficult to develop for, not very powerful, the need to make the gamepad do *something* complicated things for developers and people playing the games, and the whole thing is just a stupid mess. It cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in the long run.
There's a lot of smaller things to go over, but with just these two systems alone, we can see that Nintendo's poor choices run deeper than just who sits at the top.
@@saltyralts Consoles with region locking. Awful online infrastructure. Bad relationship with 3rd parties. Quite a ton of things.
@@redwidow1358 I don't see how the first thing or the second thing are major issues. Whoop dee doo, my console doesn't run HD. Who fucking cares. The disc thing doesn't matter to most people, either. The Wii had Netflix, too.
My joycons developed drift early on but no one in my family has been bothered to replace them at all in the last four years, and we just exclusively use our two pro controllers (unless we're doing something on local multiplayer with more than two people, in which case one or two unlucky people are stuck with our borderline unplayable joycons). Considering some of our Wii remotes from like 2006 still function fine it's... a little embarrassing!
My launch day super Nintendo controllers still function perfectly fine. And they have literally over 3 decades of age and tens of thousands of hours of play on them.... And if you think that's an unfair comparison, my gamecube controller analog stick still works fine too. And that has PLENTY of heavy smash bros action on it.
My joycon broke in 3 months. And I don't even use them since I primarily play docked!
It's so messed up. I can't get over how bad this is, and they do nothing about it.
You know you can still get joycon drift fixing for free? I had mine since launch day and it drifted a year or so in and i just put up with it until a few months ago. Turns out they fix it for free no matter what
@@nionmagala2783 i know! heard about that a wee while back and might look into it in future next time it becomes an active problem, but i play multiplayer with my siblings pretty rarely nowadays so i haven't had the motivation to see about it recently- will definitely look at it when one of our pro controllers inevitably dies though. i know not using the free fixing service is totally on me being lazy here but it's still... annoying that the joycons are messed up in the first place, i guess? and from what i hear they can re-break pretty quickly after getting fixed too
Buy a can of WD-40 electrical contact cleaner and spray the sticks under the rubber cups. Let them dry without turning them on. The drift will be fine for about a month of consistent use, then drift will reappear. Reapply the electrical contact cleaner when drift comes back. After doing this several times, maybe up to a year, drift will stop coming back and you will have permanently functional joycons. That was my experience, at least.
As someone who grew up not-so-well-off, with strict parents, I can't tell you how much of a nightmare it would have been for me to convince my mom or dad that I needed new $80+ controllers just 6 months after buying the console. I feel for any kids that are going through that right now - Probably getting some version of "well you must have broken it" or "they seem to work fine" or "well maybe you shouldn't be so rough with them"...
When Arlo pointed that out, it made my heart cry; because I know there are little gamers out there who are struggling with exactly that... And I can't imagine how many of them are being turned off to video games entirely because they either think they're not good at them, they don't know what's going on, or they think that all consoles and controllers are built like Joycons.
Nintendo... Do better. Please.
I had the drift happen once during its long life span and I am happy that it happened during the time where replacement joysticks are cheap af and it is very easy to replace it yourself.
Parents and consumers will remember the nuisance of Joy-Con drift. Nintendo might be successful now, but looking towards the future is key. Furukawa needs to go.
Also how they caused massive carpal tunnel in millions of people because of horrible ergonomics. Please tell nintendo to make them more comfortable. I never had hand pain with any other hand held or controlled. Joy con is an abomination.
I miss Satoru Iwata. When he was around, the hardware always seemed to come out solid. He was the company's last solid moral pillar.
I’d say Iwata was the last solid main pillar of Nintendo, when Reggie left it all fell apart
Wrong.
@@glungusgongus Elaborate
@@glungusgongus Please, let's hear a well thought out and solid reply to this.
@@thorzag5479 probably just doing it for attention.
Completely agree!!! The have updated the switch itself, but have not touched the joycons.
man could've just put that in a poll but no he had to do a 20 minute video on the status of joycons
respect for the channel and commitment like 👍
did you know bears are extremely intelligent and empathetic animals? when it comes to their navigational abilities, they far outclass humans. and they also have been shown to grieve and mourn the loss of others. bear cubs will moan and cry when separated from their mothers, which can go on for weeks if the mother bear was killed. :[ quite sad but also quite interesting
i saw a video of a bear rescuing a crow from drowning
@@Envy_May I've seen many bears rescue salmon from drowning.
Honestly, I feel like one of their best course of actions is to find a Nationwide tech repair company, partner with them, and let people take their joy cons there for immediate free repair.
free repair? capitalism doesnt like that
@@violetsparkles5453 this is so accurate it hurts.
Nintendo is an international company. Finding a repair company for every country/region is a big hurdle to clear.
@@bidoofdude2438 i mean if they didn't make a faulty product they woudnt need to do that-
@@violetsparkles5453 Really? Because I remember a time before the massive amounts of regulations when a company would give you the schematics to fix your device yourself. This was a period of time when things were made to last, as well. This whole "muh capitalism ebil" doesn't contort to reality when you mention most issues people have are because of, and not in spite of, massive government regulations.
My heart is genuinely broken at the thought of those kids :’
im one of the few people who have never had their joycons drift, and ive had my system since 2019. i have no idea why. im just grateful
"I do believe they are not just your average money-grubbing media machine" okay but that more sounds like iwata and reggie era of nintendo where you could genuinely see their passion. now that they are both gone i'm more than inclined to say that unfortunately nintendo has fallen from grace.
This drifting issue alone is driving me away from my Switch and I don't want to do that. It kills me that Nintendo STILL doesn't have a clear say after so many complaints.
Me too man. I haven't touched my switch since 2019. Breath of the wild 2 MIGHT bring me back, but I'm going to get a third party controller this time
@@edquad2765 already switched to 3rd party controllers since long time ago. My joy cons are now only used for ring fit adventure.
i love joycon drift
it makes games so much more exciting when i'm being forced in the opposite direction
depending on the direction of course
About the kid part. I actually got my switch when it came out just bc other friends had it without being a gaming fan or anything of the sort. I just played multi player games with friends and with my sister. After a while the left joy-con didn’t work anymore and bc it was my sister who always used it I just assumed she wasn’t being careful and broke it and bc I didn’t wanna make my parents spend 80$ for something I felt was my fault I pretty much just stopped playing. I just got into switch games again thanks to, yet again, my friends and saved up to get new joy cons and only after getting into the community did I realize that this was a wide spread problem and that nor me nor my sister did anything wrong to break that joy con. So yeah it’s pretty sad thinking abt the fact I just stopped playing any switch games bc of something like that.
Another weird thing about this situation is how inconsistent the Joycons seem to be. I’ve had my switch for around 3 years, and both my controllers have needed to be replaced once. Since I replaced the second one I’ve had absolutely 0 issues. I play mostly in handheld. Most of my friends and family with switches also seem to have not had problems as well, but then I hear stories of people with like 7 sets of busted controllers. It’s almost like it changes region to region
Yeah my joycons started drifting like a month after I first got my switch but after I got them repaired like 2 years ago they haven’t drifted since.
I saw _Wedding Crashers_ accidentally. I bought a ticket for _Grizzly Man_ and went into the wrong theater. After an hour, I figured I was in the wrong theater, but I kept waiting.
Because that's the thing about bear attacks - they come when you least expect it.
Bears have excellent senses of smell, sight and hearing
Even though Nintendo takes Joy-Cons and repairs them for free or give you new ones if they cant fix the problem, it doesn't justify the constant flow of hardware that easily becomes faulty.