Well 15:02 is a pretty good explanaition and answer what suzuki was intending to do. But I understand what you're saying. Of course, they didn't just let any guy speak for them. This is an important step in communicating with the customer, this guy from top to bottom is a really real world kind of guy speaking to us from Suzuki's standpoint. I think what he's saying all in all makes a lot of sence. This is the new Suzuki Hayabusa, and 90% of the customers who own and ride it in their real life, chances are very good they will love the hell out of it.
That dude really gave the answer. The reviewer was being toxic. Asking double edged question. And I think he has done a fine job to pointing out the company’s perspective rather than falling into the trap of the reviewer.
Yes, an objective review of what we may get. But until we have ridden it, it is all speculation. But with a smaller tank and no center-stand option, and a degree in science to choose from all the electronic settings, who will this bike appeal to?
@@siraff4461 Yes - It could get out of hand, especially to a novice, but are these bike really novice machines? Is there such a thing as too much hand holding??
Busa wasn't lacking power. The engine was powerful as stock and had all the potential to become a beast as modified. Gen 3 busa is equipped with the same reliable upgradable engine. Busa before was lacking all those electronic assistances and comfortable ergonomics, therefore could not combine its power with a touring character, like the ZX14. I was never a busa-fan (I ride a ZX14), but this "Gen 3 - Busa", I love it...
Also when you get rid of the 3 cats in the exhaust and put a race air filter you can tune it to make a lot more power with the more reliable internals.
Every new-to-me bike since I've started riding has been an increase in low and midrange power, and the smiles have increased accordingly. Low and midrange is really where it's at.
I went from having two bikes for a quite a while and decided that I only wanted one that would do everything and finished up with a superduke gt. In a drag race it’s the busa every time but in the real world the super dukes low and mid range torque coupled with less weight and much lower gearing (don’t forget the busa will pull 186 mph in fifth) means it’s for me at least the quicker and easier bike to ride slow or fast.
@@stevebeale2187 Exactly. I owned a 1290 SDR for 6 years. I just want to get up to the speed limit as quickly as possible. Who cares about 120+ mph unless you're on a closed course.
So you have a choice of bikes which suit you. Why should the busa be the same? I got mine for the speed it allows. Not for the ease of riding or the bottom end or any of the other stuff I can get from multiple other bikes - purely because if you want to move very quickly across the ground it was the best tool for the job. If you don't want that there are loads of bikes out there which offer more midrange/bottom end so if thats where you get your kicks go for it (and I can recommend a vmax if you want a real hauler from right down low - monster engine). Just try to realise that bikes are usually different because people have different tastes. Trying to make them all the same based on what an "average" person wants means we all end up somewhere between a CB500 and a VFR800. At this rate the only bike on sale will be a 95hp 780 triple which won't allow you to turn off any of its rider aids and all will be so intrusive a spaniel can ride it.
Your video was Awesome friends, I just recently purchased my older Brothers 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa, he being 65 years old and I being 63 After all the years and all the miles this 2021 Busa is the closest Bike of all time to near the position of The Perfect 2 wheeled Machine ever devised. One thing Mankind got SPOT ON !!!! AMEN and my first and Best SUZUKI EVER.
I think the Hayabusa is going to be the best of pack for a long time .I have ordered one in black. And when I picked her up at my dealer all my expectations were met. Yes at 73 I’m riding a motorcycle Reflecting the times .🦅🇺🇸🦅🏍
Yes, a lot of people won't be swapping their old Busas for this either. It seems to have lost its character. No boost in power, where is the incentive to swap? And the price has gone up. Are they not looking at the world, we are in an economic depression ...
@@Dp3.16 The only thing they have stuck on it is a ridiculous price tag. Have they missed the boat and missed the point? People want more, not less. There was so much promise, so much fanfare and when it finally landed, it was flat! The ZZ in standard format makes more power, why would anybody swap and need to spend thousands on upgrades, just to take the bike to where it should have been in the first place?? Why didn't they supercharge it and give it some real punch? Check this out ... www.can-uc.com/the-cheap-thrill-of-biking-motorcycling/
@@Dp3.16 I had my wallet ready just incase they did. I'll keep my old ones. This is an EU5 friendly face lift and a very lazy one at that. This stuffed shirt having the cheek to say busa owners aren't disgruntled is insulting and I'm put off buying any more Suzukis from his attitude. Glad Hargo pulled him up on it at least a bit.
I take my gen 2 on trips, more gas usage, less capacity, much more money, I’ll pass. I’m disappointed, I believe this was a waste of a redesign and they should have aimed at being the best again instead of playing it safe.
I’m curious to see if you feel the same after you drive it, if it is truly disappointing compared to the old one. If you ever do, please update 🙏🏾 I’m still driving a 600, and am still quite the beginner, I would probably kill myself on any Hayabusa 😅
Hayabusa. Built as the fastest production bike on the planet. Named after the fastest bird of prey. In 2021 where all performance bikes are 200kgs or less and kicking out at least 200hp, this shows up at over quarter of a tonne with 187hp. It's very DNA means they had to bring it to market with at least 200hp. This should have shown up with 210hp and more torque.
@@writestuffmedia About 210bhp on BigCC’s dyno, 124lbs torque. 100lbs everywhere over 4K revs. TBH it runs like a standard bike. I chose a milder cam profile and titanium valves, traded a few bhp at the top for more reliability. It’s bullet proof. The only place you can really abuse would be on track. So reliability isn’t going to be an issue. It’s an entertaining ride 😁
@@busa_joe1159 Meh, chose milder cams and compression for reliability. Runs and rides like a standard bike. Had the choice to try and push it to about 220 but didn’t go for it. It’s a great road bike 👍🏻 Gen 1 with pipe, flash, pair valves, small air box mod etc will do just over 170. I got an extra 40bhp and 124lbs, it’s a very different bike now 😁
Peer limiter is there to stop you getting a speeding ticket and possibly loosing your licence. You are still in control of the speed it just doesn’t go over your set speed (as far as i’m aware ) another good video buddy.
I love Busas but Suzuki have missed a trick here. It's had its balls cut off! Ruined by euro 5 and electronics you don't need. It should have been a 1500 or supercharged
Agree on that . Kawasaki smaller H2r 399kph top speed really are something... Suzuki should topple that by a few kph at least .that is what HAYABUSA is all about.
@@Cino777 and what does a new H2 cost compared to a new Busa. You guys are ridiculous. Would you rather the bike sell well, or go the way of the ZX14 Ninja?
UPDATE: I bought one and LOVE IT!!!...It's beautiful and more powerful than any of the other pre-modified bikes I've ever owned. I no longer race or feel the need to see top end so it's more bike than I'll ever need. Btw...His fuel calculation was significantly off. Tenth of a second difference is huge when you consider the distance being covered at speed.
I’m an ex Busa owner of 16 years and now an H2SXSE owner, I’m going to try one as soon as they arrive here, but it’s got to be really good for me to go back to a Busa! Do I really want to lay soft luggage over that lovely bodywork when I can just click the panniers on the H2🤔... We shall soon see. However, I do love the new looks and all the tech👍🏽...
MonsterFreak... Mate, it’s an awesome bike, it does everything so well. Whether it’s cruising along or scratching or touring, it’s brilliant. As for the engine, what can I say, it’s Kawasaki doing what they are best at doing, absolute masterpiece and my opinion it’s going to be a modern classic.
Mate the busa has been designed to mod. Just throw out the euro 5 pipe and re chip. There is bigger more reliable power in it than ever before. I'm sure it will dominate drag racing. Gosh I bet that H2 is fun!
Yes, it seems to me, and the drag race community seem to think, the bike has been designed to throw out the euro 5 exhaust system. Retune and it will be a lot more powerful than gen 2.
This video is the best I've seen on breaking down the details on the new Busa but more importantly holding the Suzuki rep foot to the fire with the top questions. Great journalism done here..! However alike alot of Busa owners who are sold on the Gen 2 there's no big need to go after the gen 3. This bike should've been released 8 years ago at least. I understand and agree with reliability and characteristic, but the engine should've been bigger with more power plain and simple.! If cost was gonna be an issue let the consumer deal with it not the manufacturer because they already are with the addition of rider aid electronics. Like the rep said, they have engineers to create a reliable bigger motor so why not?..smh. Beautiful bike I must say, but Suzuki dropped the ball this time here.
I still remember this feeling when I had my 2000 “blue” bird anxiously waiting for the new blackbird to compete with the busa. But then!! Out came the vfr1200. And my stomach fell to the floor. Why did you do this honda??? Well that actually made up my mind. Bought a gen 2 and we’ve had it now for about 5 years already, added some nice pipes and got rid of the cats. Smiles all the way. Gen 3 is almost that same feeling I had when Honda brought out the vfr1200. I guess next mod is a little turbo.
How many are looking through 'rose tinted' glasses? This could have been so much more - they probably think there is no new real competition, so why up their game? How many riders did they ask, what they wanted? Where is the center-stand option? Why do they have to take away so much to give us a bike so full of tech, so handheld, that the real biker becomes detached from the skills they have learnt through the years of learning their craft? A nice bike to look at, but what will it be like to live with? And why did it take so long to be released? What were they waiting for? A worldwide pandemic, an economic meltdown, millions at risk of losing their jobs; what a perfect time to release a new bike!!!
@@badgerman23 Driving!! Surely you mean riding?? VFR1200, CBR Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, Fireblade, GPZ1100 old school muscle, to name but a few; a little bit of experience, but always learning. Not hampering progression, just observing over complication from a strictly engineering standpoint. Let us hope the Gen 3 will be as reliable as the 2 previous iterations. Ride to live, live to ride www.can-uc.com/the-cheap-thrill-of-biking-motorcycling/
Gen 2 busa only had an ABS whereas Gen3 busa has 6 axis IMU cornering ABS, 10 level TCS, launch control, 2 level quick shifter, cruise control, engine brake customizing, hill hold, 3 power modes, anti wheelie control, down hill control, lean angle display, low rpm assist, easy start ignition system, etc... plus an updated brembo stylema brake caliper and LED lightings If you got the money just go buy one I currently own v-strom 1050xt and katana Considering to trade in katana for the new busa
Yeah they should have went factory supercharger or turbo or something nuts but they chose to make it a more touring oriented bike. I think Suzuki is hurting financially
@@monkmoto1887 Nor even a new flagship model above the Hayabusa with a 1400cc engine that can compete against the H2 or ZH2..But no, just another redesign with euro 5 compliant regulated components.
Now at the young age of 75 and on my third Hayabusa and have covered close to 165k on them most of it in Europe my bike is a 2013 with ABS I bought new . The fuel figures I've just watched made me smile , Plymouth to my house 240 miles and done it on one tank of fuel riding in c (Chicken mode) and keeping to a speed that wouldn't get me band but only just. Ive done this run loads of times and normally have to stop to top up. Sadly I'll never own the new one but but mine still makes me smile.
This was a thoughtful, intelligent update. Only a handful of riders will ever experience *any* negative performance change - and they might lying. The Hayabusa has so much reserve power even this new mid-range punch might rarely be mined in the real world. What *is* important is the details make this a much better ownership experience. Like Paul said, "Ride it." Nobody on earth - specially many "expert" commenters - can talk about what these improvements mean on the road. Hang in there.
I'm sick of hearing this excuse. By that measure only a handful of riders would have ever got one in the first place - much less tuned them. Its obviously stupid talk and if you want a less powerful bike with more midrange there are plenty to choose from already. People never got a busa because they secretly wanted a VFR.
That Suzuki Director is justifying the fact the engine wasnt beefed up. Busa is such a cornerstone in biking world that Suzuki should have considered all these factors, It's not like the new busa is cheaper than the old one .So they could have beefed up the engine in first place. The next iteration of Busa wil remember the learning,
There are not too many m/c journos left like Simon. Proper old school tech savvy. Wonderful, thanx... and i'm not even an in line 4 fanboy. I just enjoy good tech articles.
It looks sleek and classy in that black and copper/bronze paint scheme. I will try and get a test ride on one here in France. I would be interested in a back to back test against the mighty H2 SX.
Great video Simon. As a Gen 1 owner I have no intention of swapping - Gen 2 and 3 might be better looking and have the modern tech but I kind of like the old fashioned nature of the gen 1 and the performance is basically the same.
When the 1999 Busa came out with that copper colored bike, I was blown away...Still love that first Gen...New ones are over styled...Had a 1992 ZX11 but couldn't afford the Busa..Got a 2012 ZX14R, when they added 20+ hp from the ZX14....Stupid fast for the road (FUN!)..Getting too old now so have a 2015 FJR1300 that still has as much power as my ZX11 had! Last note: You're right, that first Gen Busa will still keep up with anything on the road..
I’ve had a gen 1 Busa and it was an incredible machine. One of the best motorcycles I’ve ever had: fast, furious, but also very soft when I felt like it. Fuel consumption was superb ( less than a 600cc when traveling side by side on National roads), comfortable with a higher screen installed, and yes, extremely reliable! It was a wonderful machine, but time goes on and nowadays it’s not for me, and I honestly thought that these kind of motorcycles have got to an end... seems that I was wrong 😆
I currently own a Gen 2 and absolutely love my Busa! I’m over 6ft tall so I’m not sure about the overall shorter length and smaller tank on the Gen 3. Seems like taller riders will be uncomfortable once tucked over the tank, twisting on the throttle. Suzuki could have really set the bar high with this Gen 3 but didn’t. All of the updated electronics have been available for years in the 1,000’s! For me it doesn’t justify paying another $7,000+ for a Gen 3. I’ll ride one eventually and hopefully it changes my mind but for now...I’ll keep my Gen 2! Great video!
For those enough old enough to remember, this bike is the Kawasaki KH500 of the modern era. I was so pissed off with one of those {we got bugger all info about 'retuning ' back then} that I got it ported to the extent where it needed about 4,000 RPM not to stall when moving off from a standstill. These two chaps were the living personification of unconvinced and unconvincing. Gen 2 owners wishing to sell might well get a nice price boost though. Excellent journalism, no sychophancy for a free hamburger. Good man !
I don't really care about the slightly lower hp and lb/trq. And fully agree with the strategy to improve low-mid range per. But what hits me is the smaller gas tank and is 15% more thirsty. I absolutely dislike stoping every 100-120mls for gas.
Just recently bought this bike ,owned two gen 1 bikes previously ,the power figures dont bother me its the package as a whole that counts,suzuki has knocked it out of the park,the fact that suzuki improved the internals mean the real power crazy guys can supercharge and turbo them the rest of us can appreciate a modern refresh of one of the best bikes ever built ,if you are a busa nut this is nirvana just my 2 cents worth.
I am a Gen 2 owner and I found the information to be very well presented, relevant, unbiased and enjoyable. Thanks. If you have low mileage Gen 2, put on a set of Pops Yoshis, a set of HEL callipers with braided lines, a set of Helibars and (the electronics not withstanding) you are there.
had a GEN 1 , GEN 2 and at 63 years old first in Guernsey to have GEN 3 . just love them . and at 5' 7 inch tall just right for my height . Nice one Simon enjoyed this very much
At 59 I am just a puppy compared to you...nonetheless I am giving serious consideration to buying a Gen 3. Already owned 5 of the previous models, and anyone who thinks the reduction of power is a negative must be either an idiot, or one of the 0.0000001% who truly is a riding God.
Brilliant review!!! Love the format. Personally see all the ways it’s improved and new exhausts and map will see all the gains you need for some lay-by talk
Problem being the cats are in the cans aswell. Every traffic copper in the land will know that since most of the EU5 bikes are the same so swap a pipe and you're not only getting pulled but probably a ticket to get it re-mot'ed and if they really want to be a55hats about it a prohibition notice. Coming to the road outside every biuke meet near you soon...
Show me the Dyno! ... oh there it is. Like the V-strom, the new Busa will attract new riders, but the current owners will jog on. Good on you Simon for asking the hard questions.
These were not hard questions. Just whining as a baby just like you can about every single bike on the planet. Create and build your own bike and you’ll still have a bunch of whiners who will complain about something.
V -strom increse HP and torque. The busa no. The question is, you go to 300km/h in the street ?? the answer is NO. i dont understand the obssesion of HP or top speed in a street bike.
With the engine updates and Euro 5 compliance I am surprised there wasn’t an improvement in fuel economy. While economy is not necessarily a priority for a hypersport, it does help when it is time to “justify” a purchase🙂
03:18 Busa engine is great for maitenance and boost because the way its case is made. It can be replaced faster and in less time than on its competitors.
The best video out there, thanks a lot. Just got my 2022 BUSA in Silver/Red and loving it. Not much of a difference AT ALL in riding power or comfort from the GEN2, but the looks, even though not TOO MUCH, is amazing and the lights are great! LOVING THE NEW BIKE at my 54 years of age and coming from ADV, which I still have my 2021 Africa Twin for ADV and long distance rides. CHEERS
I get the Suzuki UK head chaps perspective, and it does make sense. For the road, you don't need more than 185 BHP. Yep , mid range is more useful. I guess it is a surprise, because the Busa was always about ultimate performance that was only usable on a track or drag strip. The Busa has now toddled off into middle age, to rest on it's laurels. It sounds like Suzuki will sell them, but I still can't help but to be at least a little bit disappointed. It still has way more power than I'd ever use, so I guess I should shut up now !
Whew that midrange dip in the torque on the old one. I think I agree with the engineers decisions here. Happy to give up 3 or 4 % off the peak number for a better curve shape.
Have you seen how that torque dip goes away on the old one once its set up? That was an emissions downside back then. Difference being you only needed to map the old one for that dip to go and a lot more power. The new one will need cams to get the top end back.
Why upgrade when you can sell the same thing? They have no competition now. A gen 1 and a gen 2 are more than enough for most people who can ride. Is that now the point, people rely too much on tech? What happen to skill and the feel of the road? Is this just another way of holding people's hands, so we become more asleep?
@@can-uc-wakeup they have more competition then ever before, the Hayabusa was built on power and speed, it's HP and acceleration were industry leading....Now days it's rival companies naked bikes alone leave it for dead kawasaki ZH2, SPEED TRIPLE 1200, KTM 1290R, DUCATI STREET FIGHTER, if that wasn't bad enough EVERY SINGLE litre bike in production decimates the new BUSA. Then the nail in the coffin the KAWASAKI NINJA H2SX lighter faster more comfortable and with 200HP standard and 240 with a simple reflash oh and with factory clip on luggage as well. God help suzuki when Kawasaki make the new ZX1400R. GAME OVER!
@@ausforce1 Sounds great on paper. Now go have a look at actual drag times and wind your neck in. I agree if Kawi bring out a new ZZR the busa is a sitting duck but they already pretty much ruled that out ages ago. Its all likely to be 1000cc (or thereabout) with boost for now in their big bikes.
Standard otd power means fuck all... I don't understand why people harp about it. Anybody with a left nut does bike modifications the second they get a chance. If the engine is more reliable like they said, people will find how to get more power out of it.
Totally agree - binning the exhaust + remap will get it back up to 190+. But that's a big wedge for a full system and dyno work, when Suzuki could've done it by making the motor bigger. But, as I say, I think the chances of most of us riding it and being able to tell are minimal. I'm guessing the engine will feel immense.
Very good & interesting honest vid. Rightly or wrongly I'm presuming all those internal changes would surely equate to more power & torque if it wasn't for Euro 5 strangulation. I guess we'll see what it's really made of once the tuners get hold of it & have a play with the ECU & exhaust etc.
@@luko560 Because every EU5 bike is getting cats in the cans it will also be common knowledge among every traffic copper in the land so if they hear one on a pipe you're getting nicked.
One of the best bike reviews I've ever seen.Great stuff. No matter what.Im sure if you crank the happy handle around on this Gen 3 your underpants will not be happy.
and why did the enginears make it a pain in the arse with the clutch push rod seal on the earlyer bikes?, i hope they have made it easyer now but i some how doubt it.
I would think the headlight and clocks, various ancillaries would be different. More importantly, I've been wondering if you can drop Gen2 cams in, maybe fit shorter intakes and use a Gen2 airbox, get some bhp that way... then maybe you could fit the Gen tank on too :-)
Very good review and report Simon - thank you! Personally, I think Suzuki have nailed it. Does anyone REALLY need more power? I don’t think so personally but thats just my opinion. Having never ridden a Hayabusa, I would want to try one first. I liked the honesty of the Suzuki GB Director as well and agreed with him entirely.
Plenty of bikes out there if you don't want the power. Some of us do. As for honesty from that stuffed shirt - you must be kidding? According to him owners aren't annoyed yet if you look on any owners group thats not the case at all. Then he came out with all the bull about reliability as an excuse for not making the same power as the old bike? The bloke was so arrogant and full of bs he must have been rushed to the loo just after.
@@siraff4461 Interesting reply Si. I did say “need” more power rather than want - two different things in my opinion. I like power but do I need more than the 125 bhp my ZZR11 has for the riding I do? No I don’t. If I did a lot of track days then a different answer possibly. As regards you views on the “stuffed shirt” - I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree there I am afraid.
Well, the main big complaint I had with the old big is I absolutely hated the rear seat hump. The aerodynamic rounded-ness of the fairing wasn't great either. For me, they have completely fixed the looks. I remember a few years back riding a faired bandit 1250 and was shocked at the overtaking capacity, it went like a K1300S. If a gen2 Busa is much faster and better than that and the new bike has the same if not better mid-range, then I'd be tempted to try one once they eventually are available for a test ride. Only issue then is range. It reminds me of when I had a very good CBR600F which would tell me to find a petrol station after 120 miles. That one averaged around 35mpg (2007 bike). Good review, nice that they brought in Suzuki GB guy (not the sales & marketing rep) to answer the obvious questions (thumbs up Suzuki as I've not seen other manufacturers do this).
With basically no direct challengers, Suzuki took the cheap route and just met the new Euro emissions..Just a big yawn. My 2012 ZX14R will still eat Busas...Stock that is.....
IMHO electronics are so underrated... I would never go back to a bike without ABS/TC. ABS saved my bacon twice, while TC prevented a couple of crashes more. Everyone makes mistakes and it's good to have the safety net to catch you once that point is reached.
Yes, a lot of people will be thinking that. Is biking really about having our hands held? As for electronic aids, it is just more to go wrong, more to fix, more to work on. They are taking home maintenance out of our hands. Not even a center-stand option! It is after all a very similar, if not the same frame as the gen1. What is the point in upgrading, at a much higher price? Do they all think we have money to burn, when we don't even have job security anymore? Are bikers just seen as cash-cows to these businesses?
11.50 "there has been a certain section of people etcetc"... Yea you mean journalists. Great review otherwise Simon. Personally I love it and more midrange is always better in road.
Don't believe it if you want but I'm a real-world Hayabusa owner I've had one for over 10 years and I been racing them for 8. I'm so glad I didn't sell my 2017 GSXR 1000 I was so eager and ready to get a new Busa but the fact that it doesn't even compare to the 1000 is a disgrace
I’ve owned two Hayabusas and with normal riding 210 to 220 miles per tank was usual. On one solo tour of Scotland I once did 241 miles and the tank took 20 litres to fill. How anyone could ride a Hayabusa fast enough in the UK to drain a tank in under 150 without killing them selves or someone else is beyond me!
You just need to be spectacularly clumsy with the throttle, m'lud. I used to get around 130 miles to the fuel light on the Gen1; on the Gen2 it was a bit better - I rode one around Wales at the start of last year (or year before... can't remember!) - and I think I was getting around 150 miles. I need to look it up. Suzuki claim 185 to bone dry, which is a bit optimistic.
that dude should become a politician. he is great at answering questions without giving an actual answer to the questions..
Well 15:02 is a pretty good explanaition and answer what suzuki was intending to do.
But I understand what you're saying. Of course, they didn't just let any guy speak for them. This is an important step in communicating with the customer, this guy from top to bottom is a really real world kind of guy speaking to us from Suzuki's standpoint. I think what he's saying all in all makes a lot of sence. This is the new Suzuki Hayabusa, and 90% of the customers who own and ride it in their real life, chances are very good they will love the hell out of it.
That dude really gave the answer.
The reviewer was being toxic. Asking double edged question.
And I think he has done a fine job to pointing out the company’s perspective rather than falling into the trap of the reviewer.
@@sokka47 I noticed that too.
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I like that this guy didn't suck up to the manufacturer...less power, less torque, less to the gallon, and he challenged the top guy , good article.
Yes, an objective review of what we may get. But until we have ridden it, it is all speculation.
But with a smaller tank and no center-stand option, and a degree in science to choose from all the electronic settings, who will this bike appeal to?
@@can-uc-wakeup People who need hill hold assist on a potential 200mph bike...
@@can-uc-wakeup Me - so what the fuck about it?
@@siraff4461 Yes - It could get out of hand, especially to a novice,
but are these bike really novice machines?
Is there such a thing as too much hand holding??
@@badgerman23 OK, OK !! :-)
With the wind in our face we are free!
Busa wasn't lacking power. The engine was powerful as stock and had all the potential to become a beast as modified. Gen 3 busa is equipped with the same reliable upgradable engine. Busa before was lacking all those electronic assistances and comfortable ergonomics, therefore could not combine its power with a touring character, like the ZX14. I was never a busa-fan (I ride a ZX14), but this "Gen 3 - Busa", I love it...
Also when you get rid of the 3 cats in the exhaust and put a race air filter you can tune it to make a lot more power with the more reliable internals.
@@Truth24434 I cannot imagine 99.99999% of people could even tame the power it has, never mind needing more power.....
@@BibtheBoulder ride it hard for a few months. It can always go faster. Its tameable stock.
Idk if its better overall but you never had to change cam profile on gen 2 to have maximized top end
Every new-to-me bike since I've started riding has been an increase in low and midrange power, and the smiles have increased accordingly. Low and midrange is really where it's at.
But the Busa never lacking in those department, and pure speed and top end where people love the bike at
I went from having two bikes for a quite a while and decided that I only wanted one that would do everything and finished up with a superduke gt. In a drag race it’s the busa every time but in the real world the super dukes low and mid range torque coupled with less weight and much lower gearing (don’t forget the busa will pull 186 mph in fifth) means it’s for me at least the quicker and easier bike to ride slow or fast.
@@stevebeale2187 Exactly. I owned a 1290 SDR for 6 years. I just want to get up to the speed limit as quickly as possible. Who cares about 120+ mph unless you're on a closed course.
hell no, ill take my top end any day of the week. Low end is for trucks and towing.
So you have a choice of bikes which suit you. Why should the busa be the same? I got mine for the speed it allows. Not for the ease of riding or the bottom end or any of the other stuff I can get from multiple other bikes - purely because if you want to move very quickly across the ground it was the best tool for the job. If you don't want that there are loads of bikes out there which offer more midrange/bottom end so if thats where you get your kicks go for it (and I can recommend a vmax if you want a real hauler from right down low - monster engine).
Just try to realise that bikes are usually different because people have different tastes. Trying to make them all the same based on what an "average" person wants means we all end up somewhere between a CB500 and a VFR800.
At this rate the only bike on sale will be a 95hp 780 triple which won't allow you to turn off any of its rider aids and all will be so intrusive a spaniel can ride it.
I ordered mine the day after the public release ... looking forward to taking delivery
That meatier TQ curve is nicer than a few HP up top that you can only really use well above 100 mph/160 kph, totally agree with that approach.
I bought a 2022 U.S. Hayabusa white/blue and I LOVE IT
Your video was Awesome friends, I just recently purchased my older Brothers 2004 Suzuki Hayabusa, he being 65 years old and I being 63 After all the years and all the miles this 2021 Busa is the closest Bike of all time to near the position of The Perfect 2 wheeled Machine ever devised. One thing Mankind got SPOT ON !!!!
AMEN and my first and Best SUZUKI EVER.
I think the Hayabusa is going to be the best of pack for a long time .I have ordered one in black.
And when I picked her up at my dealer all my expectations were met. Yes at 73 I’m riding a motorcycle
Reflecting the times .🦅🇺🇸🦅🏍
Won't be swapping zzr1400 performance sport any time soon 👍
Yes, a lot of people won't be swapping their old Busas for this either. It seems to have lost its character. No boost in power, where is the incentive to swap? And the price has gone up. Are they not looking at the world, we are in an economic depression ...
@@can-uc-wakeup Agreed now if they would of stuck a turbo on I might off been interested 🤣👍
@@Dp3.16 The only thing they have stuck on it is a ridiculous price tag.
Have they missed the boat and missed the point? People want more, not less. There was so much promise, so much fanfare and when it finally landed, it was flat!
The ZZ in standard format makes more power, why would anybody swap and need to spend thousands on upgrades, just to take the bike to where it should have been in the first place?? Why didn't they supercharge it and give it some real punch?
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@@Dp3.16 I had my wallet ready just incase they did. I'll keep my old ones. This is an EU5 friendly face lift and a very lazy one at that. This stuffed shirt having the cheek to say busa owners aren't disgruntled is insulting and I'm put off buying any more Suzukis from his attitude. Glad Hargo pulled him up on it at least a bit.
I bet it's built for turbocharging
The Suzuki guy is spot on, u would never use the top end in real world senario, mid range is more realistic. We'll said mate
The guy knows his job well. Very well answered
I take my gen 2 on trips, more gas usage, less capacity, much more money, I’ll pass. I’m disappointed, I believe this was a waste of a redesign and they should have aimed at being the best again instead of playing it safe.
Exactly.. i had high hopes for this one but 2nd gen is still the reigning king
Naaaah, Suzuki missed the target here, imo. Reliability apparently the priority, well, they were always bulletproof, so.... A bit disappointed
I’m curious to see if you feel the same after you drive it, if it is truly disappointing compared to the old one.
If you ever do, please update 🙏🏾 I’m still driving a 600, and am still quite the beginner, I would probably kill myself on any Hayabusa 😅
I agree. Hayabusa was meant to mean groundbreaking. Now it means basically the same bike that everybody knows...
If it is not broken then don’t fix it. The motor is bulletproof. A few HP is easy to find with a couple mods.
It’s a masterpiece. Absolutely beautiful
Hayabusa. Built as the fastest production bike on the planet. Named after the fastest bird of prey. In 2021 where all performance bikes are 200kgs or less and kicking out at least 200hp, this shows up at over quarter of a tonne with 187hp. It's very DNA means they had to bring it to market with at least 200hp. This should have shown up with 210hp and more torque.
I’m running 1441cc and it’s been reliable, so far 😁
I love the 'so far" :-). What's it making?
@@writestuffmedia About 210bhp on BigCC’s dyno, 124lbs torque. 100lbs everywhere over 4K revs.
TBH it runs like a standard bike. I chose a milder cam profile and titanium valves, traded a few bhp at the top for more reliability.
It’s bullet proof. The only place you can really abuse would be on track. So reliability isn’t going to be an issue.
It’s an entertaining ride 😁
Damn only 210 i make close to that with bolt ons and e85 tune with 1340cc 198-204 on 3 different dynos
@@busa_joe1159 Meh, chose milder cams and compression for reliability. Runs and rides like a standard bike. Had the choice to try and push it to about 220 but didn’t go for it. It’s a great road bike 👍🏻
Gen 1 with pipe, flash, pair valves, small air box mod etc will do just over 170. I got an extra 40bhp and 124lbs, it’s a very different bike now 😁
Blue eyes 😍
Peer limiter is there to stop you getting a speeding ticket and possibly loosing your licence. You are still in control of the speed it just doesn’t go over your set speed (as far as i’m aware ) another good video buddy.
I love Busas but Suzuki have missed a trick here. It's had its balls cut off! Ruined by euro 5 and electronics you don't need. It should have been a 1500 or supercharged
Should have been 1550 Turbocharged
Agree on that . Kawasaki smaller H2r 399kph top speed really are something... Suzuki should topple that by a few kph at least .that is what HAYABUSA is all about.
I was hoping for more 😩 still, saved myself £16.5k 😂
Or even better, being twincharged without a single electronic with the design like Kawasaki's Supercharger.
@@Cino777 and what does a new H2 cost compared to a new Busa. You guys are ridiculous. Would you rather the bike sell well, or go the way of the ZX14 Ninja?
UPDATE: I bought one and
LOVE IT!!!...It's beautiful and more powerful than any of the other pre-modified bikes I've ever owned. I no longer race or feel the need to see top end so it's more bike than I'll ever need.
Btw...His fuel calculation was significantly off. Tenth of a second difference is huge when you consider the distance being covered at speed.
I’m an ex Busa owner of 16 years and now an H2SXSE owner, I’m going to try one as soon as they arrive here, but it’s got to be really good for me to go back to a Busa! Do I really want to lay soft luggage over that lovely bodywork when I can just click the panniers on the H2🤔... We shall soon see.
However, I do love the new looks and all the tech👍🏽...
I don't think you could get much better than the bike you have...H2SXSE is such a great bike.
Awww mate, youve got my [soon achievable] dream bike.. i dont think anything will be able to touch it in its category for years to come
MonsterFreak... Mate, it’s an awesome bike, it does everything so well. Whether it’s cruising along or scratching or touring, it’s brilliant. As for the engine, what can I say, it’s Kawasaki doing what they are best at doing, absolute masterpiece and my opinion it’s going to be a modern classic.
@@Josh-cw8by the problem of the kawasaki is durabilitiy compared to Suzuki .
Mate the busa has been designed to mod. Just throw out the euro 5 pipe and re chip. There is bigger more reliable power in it than ever before. I'm sure it will dominate drag racing.
Gosh I bet that H2 is fun!
Can't wait for someone to remove all restrictor and unleash all the power it really has.
May have to put gen 2 cams back in it though.
you are still under 200 HP with the mod
the busa need to be with 200 HP starting out
@@daveyt4802 plenty of gen 2 cams out there. Better start buying now
Yes, it seems to me, and the drag race community seem to think, the bike has been designed to throw out the euro 5 exhaust system. Retune and it will be a lot more powerful than gen 2.
Im glad I bought my second Gen 2020 Hayabusa. The third gen isin’t enough of an improvement to spend an extra 8K$ on basically the same bike.
Same here. Just got a 2010 model a year ago and Im loving it!
It’s not all about the speed it’s about the feelings you get on a busa and the smile that gives to your face
I’m sticking with my ZX-14R, i love busa’s too but the zed-14 is still hard to beat
I have owned 5 Hayabusa's. In 2020 I bought a ZZR1400. It is better in every way, and makes the 'Busa feel agricultural.
This video is the best I've seen on breaking down the details on the new Busa but more importantly holding the Suzuki rep foot to the fire with the top questions. Great journalism done here..! However alike alot of Busa owners who are sold on the Gen 2 there's no big need to go after the gen 3. This bike should've been released 8 years ago at least. I understand and agree with reliability and characteristic, but the engine should've been bigger with more power plain and simple.! If cost was gonna be an issue let the consumer deal with it not the manufacturer because they already are with the addition of rider aid electronics. Like the rep said, they have engineers to create a reliable bigger motor so why not?..smh. Beautiful bike I must say, but Suzuki dropped the ball this time here.
Kudos for not just spewing off accolades that Suzuki wants you to say. Good job challenging the manufacturer on that!
I think new Hayabusa with Austin racing end can will look standing.
I hope to get one next year!
When he says we, he means Suzuki Japan. He's just being a good soldier and towing the line.
I still remember this feeling when I had my 2000 “blue” bird anxiously waiting for the new blackbird to compete with the busa. But then!! Out came the vfr1200. And my stomach fell to the floor. Why did you do this honda??? Well that actually made up my mind. Bought a gen 2 and we’ve had it now for about 5 years already, added some nice pipes and got rid of the cats. Smiles all the way. Gen 3 is almost that same feeling I had when Honda brought out the vfr1200. I guess next mod is a little turbo.
Coming soon to a bike meet near you. Accompanied by a Simpson Bandit helmet with iridium visor, those blue camouflage combats and a pot belly.
How did you guess? That's me to T.
@@writestuffmedia Me too.............
The 2021 Busa looks pretty fabulous. Just IMHO.
Never liked them and never will, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Love them and will always will. I agree with you. We love different designs, just like food.
Thought you wrote, “beauty is in the eye of the blender” - kinda meant it though, right?
@@lozblessed8609 zzzzzzzzzz
How many are looking through 'rose tinted' glasses?
This could have been so much more - they probably think there is no new real competition, so why up their game? How many riders did they ask, what they wanted? Where is the center-stand option? Why do they have to take away so much to give us a bike so full of tech, so handheld, that the real biker becomes detached from the skills they have learnt through the years of learning their craft?
A nice bike to look at, but what will it be like to live with? And why did it take so long to be released? What were they waiting for? A worldwide pandemic, an economic meltdown, millions at risk of losing their jobs; what a perfect time to release a new bike!!!
@@badgerman23 Driving!! Surely you mean riding??
VFR1200, CBR Blackbird, Gen1 Busa, Fireblade, GPZ1100 old school muscle, to name but a few; a little bit of experience, but always learning. Not hampering progression, just observing over complication from a strictly engineering standpoint. Let us hope the Gen 3 will be as reliable as the 2 previous iterations.
Ride to live, live to ride
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Gen 2 busa only had an ABS whereas
Gen3 busa has 6 axis IMU cornering ABS, 10 level TCS, launch control, 2 level quick shifter, cruise control, engine brake customizing, hill hold, 3 power modes, anti wheelie control, down hill control, lean angle display, low rpm assist, easy start ignition system, etc... plus an updated brembo stylema brake caliper and LED lightings
If you got the money just go buy one
I currently own v-strom 1050xt and katana
Considering to trade in katana for the new busa
Good shout. Absolutely no doubt it will be a 'better' bike dynamically than the Gen2. And... shhh... just as rapid too.
Ive had 3 busas and Im intrigued... great stuff Simon, I love the way you can say things in 2 ways at once
Cheers Mick :-)
Now that is a bike review from a journalist! ... Not youtube guff... Well done
Now the resale price for old busa's will hit the roof
I got a 2000 unrestricted. Asking 18k lol
In nz currently 10k-15k for gen 1
@@theluckyone2991 for Gen 1 🤯
I found a gen 1 , 1 owner , with les than 5,000 miles on it going for $4,000. Just didn't have the funds to snatch it up.
@@sladeb6036 oooh tough luck mate
This would of been cool 10 years ago.
You just don’t understand it.
@@monkmoto1887 Seems dated already.
As a busa owner I agree with this, it's a face-lift not an overhaul that should have taken a decade to complete
Yeah they should have went factory supercharger or turbo or something nuts but they chose to make it a more touring oriented bike. I think Suzuki is hurting financially
@@monkmoto1887 Nor even a new flagship model above the Hayabusa with a 1400cc engine that can compete against the H2 or ZH2..But no, just another redesign with euro 5 compliant regulated components.
Now at the young age of 75 and on my third Hayabusa and have covered close to 165k on them most of it in Europe my bike is a 2013 with ABS I bought new . The fuel figures I've just watched made me smile , Plymouth to my house 240 miles and done it on one tank of fuel riding in c (Chicken mode) and keeping to a speed that wouldn't get me band but only just. Ive done this run loads of times and normally have to stop to top up. Sadly I'll never own the new one but but mine still makes me smile.
This was a thoughtful, intelligent update. Only a handful of riders will ever experience *any* negative performance change - and they might lying. The Hayabusa has so much reserve power even this new mid-range punch might rarely be mined in the real world. What *is* important is the details make this a much better ownership experience. Like Paul said, "Ride it." Nobody on earth - specially many "expert" commenters - can talk about what these improvements mean on the road. Hang in there.
I'm sick of hearing this excuse. By that measure only a handful of riders would have ever got one in the first place - much less tuned them.
Its obviously stupid talk and if you want a less powerful bike with more midrange there are plenty to choose from already.
People never got a busa because they secretly wanted a VFR.
Aftermarket Pipe and a reflash will sort those numbers... for...whoever thinks theyre small. That increase in low-midrange will be very noticeable
That Suzuki Director is justifying the fact the engine wasnt beefed up. Busa is such a cornerstone in biking world that Suzuki should have considered all these factors, It's not like the new busa is cheaper than the old one .So they could have beefed up the engine in first place. The next iteration of Busa wil remember the learning,
Had a Gen 1-- I now have a 2012 Gen 2 - i'll be keeping that and buying a gen 3 - well done Suzi
Envy you 🤓
There are not too many m/c journos left like Simon.
Proper old school tech savvy.
Wonderful, thanx... and i'm not even an in line 4 fanboy.
I just enjoy good tech articles.
Top quality review. Enjoyed the massive reduction in beard-stroking too.
I worked hard on that :-)
It looks sleek and classy in that black and copper/bronze paint scheme. I will try and get a test ride on one here in France. I would be interested in a back to back test against the mighty H2 SX.
H2 will kick ass
@@szaesz8190 not when busa throws out euro 5 pipe. Its been designed to mod and it will dominate the drag racing scene yet again.
Great video Simon. As a Gen 1 owner I have no intention of swapping - Gen 2 and 3 might be better looking and have the modern tech but I kind of like the old fashioned nature of the gen 1 and the performance is basically the same.
When the 1999 Busa came out with that copper colored bike, I was blown away...Still love that first Gen...New ones are over styled...Had a 1992 ZX11 but couldn't afford the Busa..Got a 2012 ZX14R, when they added 20+ hp from the ZX14....Stupid fast for the road (FUN!)..Getting too old now so have a 2015 FJR1300 that still has as much power as my ZX11 had! Last note: You're right, that first Gen Busa will still keep up with anything on the road..
Gen 1 owner here. I do like the orange gen 2. Never driven a gen 2.
I'm a gen 1 owner, never ridden a gen 2. I prefer the looks of the gen 1, the back end of the gen 2 looks like it melted.
I’ve had a gen 1 Busa and it was an incredible machine. One of the best motorcycles I’ve ever had: fast, furious, but also very soft when I felt like it. Fuel consumption was superb ( less than a 600cc when traveling side by side on National roads), comfortable with a higher screen installed, and yes, extremely reliable! It was a wonderful machine, but time goes on and nowadays it’s not for me, and I honestly thought that these kind of motorcycles have got to an end... seems that I was wrong 😆
I currently own a Gen 2 and absolutely love my Busa! I’m over 6ft tall so I’m not sure about the overall shorter length and smaller tank on the Gen 3. Seems like taller riders will be uncomfortable once tucked over the tank, twisting on the throttle. Suzuki could have really set the bar high with this Gen 3 but didn’t. All of the updated electronics have been available for years in the 1,000’s! For me it doesn’t justify paying another $7,000+ for a Gen 3. I’ll ride one eventually and hopefully it changes my mind but for now...I’ll keep my Gen 2! Great video!
I like my gen 1 I’m 5ft 8 67kgs and this thing is fuckn mad haha
For those enough old enough to remember, this bike is the Kawasaki KH500 of the modern era. I was so pissed off with one of those {we got bugger all info about 'retuning ' back then} that I got it ported to the extent where it needed about 4,000 RPM not to stall when moving off from a standstill. These two chaps were the living personification of unconvinced and unconvincing. Gen 2 owners wishing to sell might well get a nice price boost though. Excellent journalism, no sychophancy for a free hamburger. Good man !
I don't really care about the slightly lower hp and lb/trq. And fully agree with the strategy to improve low-mid range per. But what hits me is the smaller gas tank and is 15% more thirsty. I absolutely dislike stoping every 100-120mls for gas.
Just recently bought this bike ,owned two gen 1 bikes previously ,the power figures dont bother me its the package as a whole that counts,suzuki has knocked it out of the park,the fact that suzuki improved the internals mean the real power crazy guys can supercharge and turbo them the rest of us can appreciate a modern refresh of one of the best bikes ever built ,if you are a busa nut this is nirvana just my 2 cents worth.
All those burning questions and answers straight from the horse's mouth. Great job.👏👏👏
I am a Gen 2 owner and I found the information to be very well presented, relevant, unbiased and enjoyable. Thanks.
If you have low mileage Gen 2, put on a set of Pops Yoshis, a set of HEL callipers with braided lines, a set of Helibars and (the electronics not withstanding) you are there.
had a GEN 1 , GEN 2 and at 63 years old first in Guernsey to have GEN 3 . just love them . and at 5' 7 inch tall just right for my height . Nice one Simon enjoyed this very much
At 59 I am just a puppy compared to you...nonetheless I am giving serious consideration to buying a Gen 3. Already owned 5 of the previous models, and anyone who thinks the reduction of power is a negative must be either an idiot, or one of the 0.0000001% who truly is a riding God.
@@BibtheBoulder Totally agree , too many negative comments from the self appointed tech (experts) Gen 3 is by far the best bike i have owned .
@@TheDoorman27 Off to see one Friday, so keeping my fingers crossed I can do a deal...
You donot expect to see such hard hitting journalistic questions in a motorcycle reveal video
I like the look of the 2021, it’s the first Busa I didn’t think was hideous
Awesome coverage, in-depth and to the point. Loved the video...
They need to FIRE the suzuki director that was a reason I bought my 99 2005 and 2008 with HP
Personally I think it's just beautiful👏👌👌
Probably should show a graph of how the midrange compares to GSX-R 1000. Spec sheet comparisons might be misleading there too.
Brilliant review!!! Love the format. Personally see all the ways it’s improved and new exhausts and map will see all the gains you need for some lay-by talk
Problem being the cats are in the cans aswell. Every traffic copper in the land will know that since most of the EU5 bikes are the same so swap a pipe and you're not only getting pulled but probably a ticket to get it re-mot'ed and if they really want to be a55hats about it a prohibition notice.
Coming to the road outside every biuke meet near you soon...
Show me the Dyno! ... oh there it is. Like the V-strom, the new Busa will attract new riders, but the current owners will jog on. Good on you Simon for asking the hard questions.
These were not hard questions. Just whining as a baby just like you can about every single bike on the planet. Create and build your own bike and you’ll still have a bunch of whiners who will complain about something.
@@lozblessed8609 MCN were licking so hard the chrome was coming off.
V -strom increse HP and torque. The busa no. The question is, you go to 300km/h in the street ?? the answer is NO. i dont understand the obssesion of HP or top speed in a street bike.
This is great stuff Si, best new Busa video by a standing 1/4 mile
Thanks Kar! 😍
With the engine updates and Euro 5 compliance I am surprised there wasn’t an improvement in fuel economy. While economy is not necessarily a priority for a hypersport, it does help when it is time to “justify” a purchase🙂
03:18 Busa engine is great for maitenance and boost because the way its case is made.
It can be replaced faster and in less time than on its competitors.
1.10 oooh lovely analogue rev counter and speedo, glad they've bucked the trend and kept them.
Needs more power for that price 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰🤷🏾♂️ Damn all the new electronics 🤦🏾♂️😡
you are so right
The best video out there, thanks a lot. Just got my 2022 BUSA in Silver/Red and loving it. Not much of a difference AT ALL in riding power or comfort from the GEN2, but the looks, even though not TOO MUCH, is amazing and the lights are great! LOVING THE NEW BIKE at my 54 years of age and coming from ADV, which I still have my 2021 Africa Twin for ADV and long distance rides. CHEERS
Fun fact: the exhaust cans on the Hayabusa use the same amount of sheet steel as the car in the back ground!
I get the Suzuki UK head chaps perspective, and it does make sense. For the road, you don't need more than 185 BHP. Yep , mid range is more useful.
I guess it is a surprise, because the Busa was always about ultimate performance that was only usable on a track or drag strip. The Busa has now toddled off into middle age, to rest on it's laurels. It sounds like Suzuki will sell them, but I still can't help but to be at least a little bit disappointed. It still has way more power than I'd ever use, so I guess I should shut up now !
I will stick with my 2017 zx14r..
Whew that midrange dip in the torque on the old one. I think I agree with the engineers decisions here. Happy to give up 3 or 4 % off the peak number for a better curve shape.
Have you seen how that torque dip goes away on the old one once its set up? That was an emissions downside back then. Difference being you only needed to map the old one for that dip to go and a lot more power. The new one will need cams to get the top end back.
Nicely done Simon and as they appear to be selling out Suzuki wont be too angry at your honest attempt at real journalism. Thanks mate.
Has maintaining character become a euphemism for arrested development?
Suzuki are turning into Harley Davidson using the same frame for multiple bikes for years in end with little actual development in their new models..
Haha good point!
Why upgrade when you can sell the same thing? They have no competition now.
A gen 1 and a gen 2 are more than enough for most people who can ride. Is that now the point, people rely too much on tech?
What happen to skill and the feel of the road?
Is this just another way of holding people's hands, so we become more asleep?
@@can-uc-wakeup they have more competition then ever before, the Hayabusa was built on power and speed, it's HP and acceleration were industry leading....Now days it's rival companies naked bikes alone leave it for dead kawasaki ZH2, SPEED TRIPLE 1200, KTM 1290R, DUCATI STREET FIGHTER, if that wasn't bad enough EVERY SINGLE litre bike in production decimates the new BUSA. Then the nail in the coffin the KAWASAKI NINJA H2SX lighter faster more comfortable and with 200HP standard and 240 with a simple reflash oh and with factory clip on luggage as well. God help suzuki when Kawasaki make the new ZX1400R. GAME OVER!
@@ausforce1 Sounds great on paper. Now go have a look at actual drag times and wind your neck in. I agree if Kawi bring out a new ZZR the busa is a sitting duck but they already pretty much ruled that out ages ago. Its all likely to be 1000cc (or thereabout) with boost for now in their big bikes.
Standard otd power means fuck all... I don't understand why people harp about it. Anybody with a left nut does bike modifications the second they get a chance. If the engine is more reliable like they said, people will find how to get more power out of it.
Totally agree - binning the exhaust + remap will get it back up to 190+. But that's a big wedge for a full system and dyno work, when Suzuki could've done it by making the motor bigger. But, as I say, I think the chances of most of us riding it and being able to tell are minimal. I'm guessing the engine will feel immense.
Absolutely brilliant article. Nice work Simon 🤘🏻
Could someone explain what an extra crosslink pipe ( mentioned at 09:11 ) does for performance and fuel consumption?
Slickest video yet, Si, with load of good details. Doesn't look like you're going to get to ride one just yet then!
Cheers Stuart, hopefully not too long to wait...
As an owner and enthusiastic about Hayabusa, I would say that after having waited for 14 years Suzuki did not even bother to upgrade the engine.
Exactly, who wants that wussy 187HP? We all know that regular Joe Schmo needs at least 250HP rolling down to Starbucks.
Very good & interesting honest vid. Rightly or wrongly I'm presuming all those internal changes would surely equate to more power & torque if it wasn't for Euro 5 strangulation. I guess we'll see what it's really made of once the tuners get hold of it & have a play with the ECU & exhaust etc.
@@luko560 Because every EU5 bike is getting cats in the cans it will also be common knowledge among every traffic copper in the land so if they hear one on a pipe you're getting nicked.
That camshaft overlap are gonna be perfect for turbo setup. less blowby between overlap and bigger exhaust lift will keep that turbo working hard.
Best no "BS" 2021 Hayabusa review!
Awesome interview..... That Suzuki guy looks a bit like young Jeremy Clarkson.....😎
One of the best bike reviews I've ever seen.Great stuff.
No matter what.Im sure if you crank the happy handle around on this Gen 3 your underpants will not be happy.
and why did the enginears make it a pain in the arse with the clutch push rod seal on the earlyer bikes?, i hope they have made it easyer now but i some how doubt it.
Proper journalism, great job Mr H 👍
Nice bike but so happy I bought a 2021 ZX 14 r for a sales price of 13K plus fees. Flashed the ECU so it runs not so lean, good to go.
It looks like the same frame as the gen 2 busa, in theory would you be able to throw the fairings from the gen 3 onto a gen 2?
I would think the headlight and clocks, various ancillaries would be different.
More importantly, I've been wondering if you can drop Gen2 cams in, maybe fit shorter intakes and use a Gen2 airbox, get some bhp that way... then maybe you could fit the Gen tank on too :-)
@@writestuffmedia that’s what I was thinking and I’m excited to see how much they can be modified for more bhp
Very good review and report Simon - thank you! Personally, I think Suzuki have nailed it. Does anyone REALLY need more power? I don’t think so personally but thats just my opinion. Having never ridden a Hayabusa, I would want to try one first. I liked the honesty of the Suzuki GB Director as well and agreed with him entirely.
Plenty of bikes out there if you don't want the power. Some of us do. As for honesty from that stuffed shirt - you must be kidding? According to him owners aren't annoyed yet if you look on any owners group thats not the case at all. Then he came out with all the bull about reliability as an excuse for not making the same power as the old bike? The bloke was so arrogant and full of bs he must have been rushed to the loo just after.
@@siraff4461 Interesting reply Si. I did say “need” more power rather than want - two different things in my opinion. I like power but do I need more than the 125 bhp my ZZR11 has for the riding I do? No I don’t. If I did a lot of track days then a different answer possibly. As regards you views on the “stuffed shirt” - I am afraid we will have to agree to disagree there I am afraid.
Oh come ooooooon!!!!! We want to see the test ride!!!!!
Soon. Very soon. We'll have a full review and video too, then we're due to have one as a long-term loan bike so there'll be plenty of coverage coming.
U gotta ride it yourself. seeing will do nothing for you.
Well, the main big complaint I had with the old big is I absolutely hated the rear seat hump. The aerodynamic rounded-ness of the fairing wasn't great either. For me, they have completely fixed the looks. I remember a few years back riding a faired bandit 1250 and was shocked at the overtaking capacity, it went like a K1300S. If a gen2 Busa is much faster and better than that and the new bike has the same if not better mid-range, then I'd be tempted to try one once they eventually are available for a test ride. Only issue then is range. It reminds me of when I had a very good CBR600F which would tell me to find a petrol station after 120 miles. That one averaged around 35mpg (2007 bike). Good review, nice that they brought in Suzuki GB guy (not the sales & marketing rep) to answer the obvious questions (thumbs up Suzuki as I've not seen other manufacturers do this).
well done simon good video, i had a Hayabusa years ago and i loved it,would like a test ride of the new one but 17,000?
I live in the United States of America, Suzuki should have made two (2) versions.
What do you think would happen when you have to meet emissions in CA and EU
Good video. When will we get a ride review?
You won't believe it, but check back here on Thursday 1st April - just over a week and a bit 🤞
A new B-King coming maybe?
I give this bike a big NO. Huge price increase for a bunch of electronic aids and some updated bodywork. Nope.
With basically no direct challengers, Suzuki took the cheap route and just met the new Euro emissions..Just a big yawn. My 2012 ZX14R will still eat Busas...Stock that is.....
IMHO electronics are so underrated... I would never go back to a bike without ABS/TC. ABS saved my bacon twice, while TC prevented a couple of crashes more. Everyone makes mistakes and it's good to have the safety net to catch you once that point is reached.
Yes, a lot of people will be thinking that. Is biking really about having our hands held?
As for electronic aids, it is just more to go wrong, more to fix, more to work on.
They are taking home maintenance out of our hands. Not even a center-stand option!
It is after all a very similar, if not the same frame as the gen1. What is the point in upgrading, at a much higher price? Do they all think we have money to burn, when we don't even have job security anymore? Are bikers just seen as cash-cows to these businesses?
11.50 "there has been a certain section of people etcetc"... Yea you mean journalists.
Great review otherwise Simon. Personally I love it and more midrange is always better in road.
Don't believe it if you want but I'm a real-world Hayabusa owner I've had one for over 10 years and I been racing them for 8. I'm so glad I didn't sell my 2017 GSXR 1000 I was so eager and ready to get a new Busa but the fact that it doesn't even compare to the 1000 is a disgrace
I’ve owned two Hayabusas and with normal riding 210 to 220 miles per tank was usual. On one solo tour of Scotland I once did 241 miles and the tank took 20 litres to fill. How anyone could ride a Hayabusa fast enough in the UK to drain a tank in under 150 without killing them selves or someone else is beyond me!
You just need to be spectacularly clumsy with the throttle, m'lud.
I used to get around 130 miles to the fuel light on the Gen1; on the Gen2 it was a bit better - I rode one around Wales at the start of last year (or year before... can't remember!) - and I think I was getting around 150 miles. I need to look it up. Suzuki claim 185 to bone dry, which is a bit optimistic.
Yes I will stick with my Gen 2 for the fuel range.
Was going to upgrade from my Gen 2 but not now. Need the range in Australia so I'll modify the looks of what I have etc.