Eleanor, you look SO GOOD!!!!!! I haven’t watched you in a while and when I saw you my jaw dropped! Have you been working out? I would love to know what you’ve done for weight loss. You just look amazing. You looked amazing before, but the difference is undeniable. And you also look amazing without makeup, I hope to have your confidence someday! Thank you for always bringing us amazing content, and just wanted you to know you’re amazing. Much love to you ❤️
I can't imagine how guilty his family feels for throwing him out. Not that they should or that they did the wrong thing, but if that were my son or my brother I would be devastated and couldn't help but blame myself.
They should feel bad tbh I don’t think they deserve the guilt of him losing his life, but he was a addict, not to mention gay, and putting him out on the streets was ridiculously dangerous. He needed HELP, not to be taught a lesson. edit: I feel like I worded that badly but by “they don’t deserve the guilt of him losing his life” I mean they shouldn’t feel so guilty that they blame his death on themselves cuz im sure they were lost when dealing with an addict and believed it was the right thing to do.
@@genoswest7253 Nah, I disagree. I'm a bisexual trans recovering addict myself. Sometimes even housing and feeding addicts is enabling them. Addicts HAVE to hit rock bottom in order to get it in our own minds to recover. And really, if you've ever been around an addict for more than an hour, we're real big assholes.
@@z0minos13 no dude I get it I have severe BPD and I’m a huge asshole during breakdowns. I get where you’re coming from but everyone deserves a roof over their heads and a warm meal. I understand the rock bottom thing may work for some but it def doesn’t work for all, and I personally don’t think it’s the way to go. addiction and mental illness don’t make you YOU anymore, if that makes sense. Everyday is rock bottom. I believe that the best way to recover is to receive help. Feeling helpless and alone are two of the worst feelings in the world to me. i know getting into rehab isn’t easy or even accessible to many but I think that trying that route is a lot better that taking the risk of putting an ill person on the streets who could hurt themselves and potentially others. I hope that makes sense I respect your take 100% especially as someone who’s in recovery, you obviously know more than me so I hope I don’t sound like an asshole pfft and I hope it all gets better :^) edit: typoz
@@z0minos13 totally agree. My brother was addicted to alcohol, heroin, fentanyl and Oxy, and whilst he clearly needed help, he just didn’t want it but proceeded to treat my parents and their home/possessions horrifically, even at one point arranging a burglary of their home by a “friend” of his. He pawned jewellery my mum had been given by her first husband and youngest son who both died on the same day, despite knowing how precious these things were to her. He was aggressive, violent, unpredictable, and it almost destroyed my mum and dad trying to help him by letting him live with them. They really tried their best and even when mum finally said she couldn’t live with them any more, they set him up with his own flat and would shop and clean for him and give him money because they were terrified if he was homeless he’d end up dead. ultimately I think either he just never really hit rock bottom or his addiction was just too strong, and he ODed in 2017. It’s impossible sometimes to know the best thing to do, but for one commenter to say this guys parents don’t deserve to feel guilt is so harsh and narrow minded. Like you say, addicts are assholes to be around but a lot of people don’t appreciate this! Good luck with your recovery I wish you all the best, sounds like you’re on the right path now which is great 😊
My question is how did they stay on the site for as long as they did with such horrible reviews?! The company has some hand in this. They should've not been able to continue hosting at all. This could've been avoided. Such a tragedy
I just want to take a moment and thank Eleanor for being so compassionate to her viewers by giving content warnings. You never know what someone is going through and these warnings give viewers the option to watch or not and she doesn't put shame on anyone. You're the best!
I particularly really appreciate when people give content warnings for animal abuse. I just can't stomach it or stand to think about it, I just skip right over those parts.
Trigger warnings are counterproductive. We are responsible for our triggers and overcoming them ourselves, its no one else's responsibility to baby us. Any psychologist worth salt will tell you that trigger warnings and avoidance only make you worse.
Oh my god!!! I can’t believe you’re covering this case, Jason was my manager at the Brighton Baths (a restaurant). He was a nice guy to me, but you could tell when things went down at work you could just see it in his eyes, he would snap and get angry! This is insane as no one really made a big deal about this in Melbourne, glad to see you’re covering it!
Also when this happened, he just one day never showed up to work again and then we all found out about it on the news and we figured out why he stopped working there hahahah
Oh my goodness, that’s crazy you knew him. I think I would feel so uneasy knowing I had been around someone who ended up murdering another person. I’m glad he was nice enough to you and didn’t cause trouble there. He seems like a scary guy in general
@@msnlitadventures9597 I just found out about this case and what this piece of shit did with his cronies. Only 11 yrs for taking Ramis life. Australia is a piece pf shit justice system they should lock this piece of shit for life and throw away the key. I hope there’s someone out in the universe who avenges cases like these.
I can’t believe that people doesn’t intervene when something is going on. I’ve called the police several times on a neighbor that I’m sure is beating his wife due to the sounds I hear. Finally, since police can’t do anything if the people say everything is fine, I’ve called social services because they have kids and they can investigate in a way police can’t. Whenever I hear all the commotion I always think that I couldn’t live with myself if someone was being murdered and that I could have helped prevent it.
@@alex123case to be fair the police have been called to the house a lot, I understand that it was a troubled house but you always make a call if something doesn't seem right.
Several years ago I had a young couple with a son as neighbors and they lived across the street. One night while I was in my room playing on my Xbox I heard screams coming from their house. My parents were in the living room watching a movie but the volume was too loud for them to hear, so when I came out of my room to tell them about the screams they had to mute the TV. My mom immediately took a step outside so she could hear more clearly what was going on, as their front door was wide open. Moments later she rushed back in to grab her phone and call the police. After she hung up she said she could hear yelling, screaming, crying, punching, and slammed doors and cabinets. We saw the police come and go from our living room window, and things were quiet for a while. I stayed up that night in case the fighting started up again, but luckily I saw that the mom had her son in her arms while another man, I’m assuming was a relative, helped her grab her bags and they left in the middle of the night.
@Alex B making anonymous call to police is still staying out of it. My best friend was murdered, neighbors heard the arguing/screams for help and didn't call the police. If they did, she might have survived since this went on for over 2 hrs before he killed her. Also, if it is a violent/troublesome house, it will only escalate, and then shit like this happens. I'd rather call the cops 10 times and only be right once, than not call once, and someone dies. If you were the one in trouble and a call to police could possibly save your life, you would hope that someone would make that call, wouldn't you?
We have a "trouble house" and the police never come anymore when I know they're getting multiple calls from inside our house, on the street, and several other neighbors. Back when they did used to come they did nothing. Except park in the driveway of who called and make you the next target.
People like this disgust me. Instead of either kicking him out or calling the police, they decided to kill him. It was their house they didn’t have to keep him there. They CLEARLY know he is not financially stable. This is on their hands. Also AirBNB should be to blame as well because if a property have more than 3 complaints you should terminate the contract and not allow them to place their property on the site. Smh
That's not how it works with Airbnb though, especially considering most complaints are frivolous or due to guest error/misunderstanding or the listing and/or policies. Cases like these are too rare to make rules that good hosts would suffer for. I wish those psychos would have gotten far worse punishments though
@@wigglemelon8807 I see what you’re saying but this case should have made them change their policies. This is not the first time a Airbnb host have done some fucked yo shit to their guests. But they don’t care because of money and attraction to their site.
@@JadeMuray the guests do some messed up stuff too, which is also rarely serious and just due to greed, dishonesty, or pettiness on both sides. I'm not sure what kinds of policies you'd want them to change or put in place though.
They deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives, I don’t understand how they can just sentence them such a short amount of time, knowing how violent these men are
I think it may be time without parole. So that is the minimum time they will spend in jail. Still not great I agree but it is still possible that they will spend their whole lives locked up 🤞
Even if it was time with parole doesn’t mean that the parole will be accepted by the judge and if they do another crime while in jail they will be sentenced longer for the new crime
It took place in the UK or Australia right?? Pretty sure its Australia, they (& the UK) never sentence murderers properly. It pisses me off. They just get slaps on the wrist. Its infuriating
I’m Aussie, it’s because our court system tends to favour criminals. Most of the time they get the lightest sentence possible by law. It pisses most of us off
@@hannahs1119 No, it's not the minimum time they will spend without the chance of parole. Those light sentences are their actual sentences, and they most likely will be let out in half the time if they have good behavior.
i’m not sure if your comments are open for case suggestions, but i’d love for you to cover the case of susan may, my mum’s auntie, (well, more accurately, the ex-wife of my grandfathers cousin) she was accused of murdering her aunt despite there being little to no evidence. she spent almost all of her life in prison because she never took any of the rehabilitation classes as she refused to say she killed her. most of my family believes she is innocent, but being related to her, we’re a bit biased so i’d love to see a video so i can get to know others’ opinions on the case.
It's genuinely infuriating when people are convicted for crimes when there's little to no evidence that they did it. It's clear that the police want cases to be closed quickly instead of taking their time to convict the right people. I'm sorry she went through that, and I'm sorry for your loss.
The way they treated Ramus made me cry. I could barely finish this video. I would’ve let him stay if he agreed to clean the house/ help around the house/ get help with his drug problem. Ramus didn’t deserve any of what he got. RIP🥺
What if Greg thought that in calling the police he was essentially giving himself an alibi? What if he realised that they'd gone to far and he tried to make it look like he wasn't as involved as his roommates, or that he even tried to stop them? So that in court he could be like "It wasn't me, I even called the police". Or is that too much foresight for this individual?
This is sad. I don't think they should feel responsible for taking care of or housing a grown man for free, no matter how down on his luck he is. However all they had to do was say no and kick him out . There's 3 of them they could easily have removed him and his stuff without a fight even if Ramis wasn't super willing to leave. Evil disgusting monsters. How these men were still allowed on air bnb after they had stolen property from guests is beyond me. I know people who have been removed for ridiculously silly shit.
@@Balletified It's horrible seeing someone down on their luck even if they are dependent on drugs. I would never allow someone to stay without a legit booking though. If I felt bad enough I may go as far as booking a few nights at a cheap motel (in cash so they wouldn't be able to come after me for any damages) and possibly purchasing some groceries. Squatter's rights in some cases are good, but in others are absolutely horrendous. It's too bad that we can't just trust everyone to be respectful and invite them into our homes. That sure would make things a whole lot easier! No matter what this man did in his past he obviously didn't deserve to be raped and killed (don't think anyone deserves that combination). I'm sorry to hear your mother was treated so horribly for having such a good heart and for the difficulties she and your entire family have had to deal with as a result. I hate that people take advantage of other's kindness. I hope your future and hers is full of good from now on rather than the previous evils you've seen before.
@@Balletified People tend to assume that landlords are rich people who are always trying to screw over the little guy. They don't see these kinds of stories. My dad is a landlord and has been for decades. It is INSANE the shit people pull, and it's like the laws are against you in a lot of places. He literally has to bribe people to get out of his houses sometimes because it's cheaper than trying to get them evicted. But people only care about tenant's rights or renter's rights. They don't care about the hell that landlords get put through, most of whom are just running a small extra property or small space to get a bit of extra money and are not rich at all. Stories like this are also why you want to be a good tenant. If you're a good tenant, any landlord who knows anything will go out of their way to keep you, because you're not destroying their property and hopefully paying on time. Only a complete idiot landlord would not take care of a good tenant. My dad has some renters that he never raised the rent on (until rent controls started getting implemented. He'll give you a good price if you're a good tenant, but if the government is going to step in and punish him for doing that then he's obviously going to charge what the property is actually worth instead...)
Yeah right! It wasn’t at all their responsibility. I personally think there are families or special centres for drug addicts that want to give up on that life, the others have no responsibility. Still they should’ve kicked him out. Sick people they’re totally vile and disgusting beings.
This story is so sad. The part that really got me was the woman who heard the beating going on and didn’t call the cops?!She didn’t have to go over and intervene. She could stay anonymous and call the cops. I can’t imagine hearing that going on and walking away like that’s not my business. That part really got to me…
to be fair, your mind wouldn't immediately go to murder, no? plus, with how violent and rambunctious these men are, i'm assuming she would have heard loud noises coming from their house all the time.
If I heard someone screaming, I’m calling the cops. I would not want that guilt of finding out that I could have saved that person. Arguing and fighting in general raises my anxiety level a lot because of my past. If I can save someone else, I will. It’s just a phone call.
To be fair to her, it sounds like this is a bad neighborhood and maybe she didn't want backlash from these guys if they somehow found out she called the police on them. It's sad but it happens. She was probably terrified of them.
As a drug addict in recovery, my heart broke at the reality that Ramis only had $6 in his account and nowhere to go. I was fortunate in that my family put up with me/I wasn't in a position to be left on the street, but I know that $6-left-in-your-bank-account vibe and it's a horrendous situation to be in. Gosh, the man was literally SHOWING his bank account to Craig until he let him stay for the week and then he...changed his mind about it? Sure, he could do that, but what a shitty moral compass you have to have to just decide that allowing a sick man four more days of your home would be a colossal inconvenience. I know Ramis was stalling to leave, but of COURSE he would. No one wants to be forced onto the street, especially not a drug addict, and especially not a drug addict who was told he could stay a bit longer. The man was struggling; it happens, and the lack of empathy shown towards him is sickening. My former-addict heart shatters for him. Ramis wasn't at ALL responsible for his murder, so this is just a side-note, but to anyone here struggling to recover from addiction: you have my support and my love, and with time & hope, you'll be alright.
Drug addiction and homeless or not, don't ask a stranger to put up with it. He was nice enough to let him stay longer, but I would be pissed if you paid me for three days and then bothered me when time was up. I would give you a little longer, but if I asked you to leave a second time and you tried to get me to let you stay again, I would bust you in the face. Your not intitled to anything, and it's beyond rude to take advantage of a person's kindness. No one owes you anything just because you can't get your life in order. If you're on drugs and you want my help, you better be out painting my house and mowing my lawn without me asking, and then I might think you care about me and wouldn't mind helping, but don't sleep in my house and just expect me to let you stay because you don't have anything. That's beyond stupid to expect that, and I can't stand people like that. If you can hustle drugs, you can clean my gutters or get the hell out.
@@russellmanweller6694 I think you're forgetting that the people he was staying with were also drug addicts themselves AND they originally said he could stay longer and then changed their minds.
Not even two hours ago I thought to myself "man, I feel like watching true crime but Eleanor hasn't uploaded anything" and here you are with a new video! I love it!
Saw the notification and INSTANTLY clicked, love you so much! You’ve made me more aware of scary men/women and my surroundings in public and what to do when I feel in danger, I cannot thank you enough
Remember that in that moment your body may respond different than everything you always thought/prepared you would do. If so (not wishing anything on you!) never beat yourself up over it. We always envision how we react. Like fight. Well I failed, twice. I just froze solid and it was literally as if especially the last guy had full control of my body and brain. Mentally I am kind of ok, but physically I am in pain just sitting and nothing can be done as they can't see anything wrong. No because you won't do surgery to see if my nerves are destroyed which my therapist said was likely due to the what and how. I can't skip a bowelmovement but it happens. The longer the worse. I take a pillow sometimes to scream in on my lap. Only painkillers take the very worst off and make it sort of liveable becsuse I must visit my mom 2x a week. Must as in I vowed to myself. If she is gone.... I really don't know. A few things were very hard on me and this freezing was one of them as qas doing exactly what he wanted but after long therapy I sort of was able to make peace and understood that this was my body respond to stay alive and that I did what he demanded: he had a knife ready and any sound or non compliance I was scared to death would get me killed and them mom and dad...... I guess I tried to heighten my survival as it was likely he was unhinged and any no could be a reason to stab me to death. In the end he did stab me, once. But since it seemed like a new add on to a practiced script it wasn't deep enough and I was too scared to go to Police or GP. It was barely 9 years after the last same sort of attack: who would believe me if the Police in the first case made sure to let me know by remarks and questions they didn't.... I couldn't and I couldn't face any rapekit :-/
You always think you are prepared until you face danger. Your body runs over the 3 F's (fight, flight, freeze). Unfortunately, regardless of how often I tell myself I'd be a fighter or runner, my ass is a freezer out of instinct. Watching true crime and preparing are so much different from real danger and the biological responses our idiotic brains decide for us a lot of the time.
@@Fluffy-Fluffy i completely agree. Your body has a fight or flight mode and in the splint second your brain acts to coping mechanisms an then react in coping as well. However some advice if your in danger. Best to yell "Fire" instead of screaming and saying "help" because In most cases people tend to avoid helping but if it's a fire they tend to react because they're not in imminent danger or they can watch which disgustingly people have the bystander affect.
This case is touching in so many ways. There's so much to everything everything that went on. It really shows how fragile we all are, how quick a fight turns into a death , and how violence is really never the awswr.
i think it’s because manslaughter is killing without the initial intent to kill. yes they wanted to hurt him very badly but they didn’t like start off the day planning to kill him. it’s awful but the law is never fair.
i can’t imagine hearing screaming in pain and not intervening by calling 911. it’s the LEAST that could have been done. i personally would want someone to send help my way if i was heard brutally screaming. smh
My ex husband attacked me when I was 9 months pregnant, was choking me outside of our apartment and our neighbor came outside to tell us to keep it down because it was like 4am. I literally screamed at him to call the police and my ex said I was just being crazy. The neighbor told him to get me under control and "take it inside", then went back into his apartment. People are *literally garbage*
@@joysurrender1995 and it got worse when the cops came! I told the a-hole that *after* my husband had attacked me and was refusing to let me go when I was screaming that I was in pain, I slapped him once and punched him in the back of the head once, in an attempt to get him to let me go. The officer says he has to arrest ME for assault because I was the first/only one to technically "hit". Luckily the case was dropped when the DA heard the story, but it's still so ridiculous to me how people can be in such scary situations and there's no help for them. But I appreciate that ❤ we're definitely better now
@@wigglemelon8807 i’m so sorry you went through that and i am so happy for you to have gotten out!!! you deserve so much better and if you haven’t found it yet, i believe it’ll come soon!(: your neighbour is trash for that wtf!! & the double charge law is so frustrating, especially when comparing the severity of actions and the intent… when you’re scared, you’re in fight or flight and i hate that victims and survivors of DV are revictimized by the system constantly. wishing you the best!
Australian law seriously worries me. After all the evidence and everything you said throughout the video the amount of years they got is so minimal in comparison to other countries. My own personal experiences with the law here as a victim doesn't help my opinion either. It's just sad really. Had to rant about it sorry 😆 Thank you for your videos. I found your channel recently and already listened to them all. I look forward to new uploads.
In Brazil they would’ve got 5 years and they would leave jail in 1 or 2 years. Or maybe would wait for a holiday to actually leave the prison and just never come back
Hey Eleanor! I'd like to ask if you could cover a case from my home country Serbia, we've had a major case of the disappearance and murder of Tijana Jurić in 2014 that led to some important laws and made national news it would mean the world to me if you did a video on it. This case happened when i was 11 and it was what made me become obsessed with true crime and want to become a criminal psychologist. I love your videos, you're absolutely incredible at delivering these cases in a respectful and composed manner and that's why I'd love to see you cover this case. Keep up the good work, much love
Please show respect for the victim. This video is about the victim, and mentioning other cases is almost like you’re overshadowing the content that’s being discussed. Remember, this is someone’s family. Lets redirect the focus here, and though I am sorry for the victim you mentioned, please contact her by email or a case suggestion form to suggest a case for Eleanor to discuss. These cases may sound “interesting” or “to pass time by”, but these are serious matters and should be respected and treated with care. If it were you as the victim, I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone to make a suggestion while your case is being discussed and the topic. Have respect.
This one is so disturbing. I can't believe how sad some peoples lives end up. I also can't believe they didn't get a harsher charge. There was more than one of them and they sexually assaulted him. It is so awful.
I am disgusted at their light sentences!!!! This poor man, I feel so bad for what he endured. His family probably feels awful for ever making him leave. Anyhow, seeing that all three took part in his death, your title should read "hosts", plural, not singular "host". Thanks for the upload & have a good one! EDIT: And forgot to say what gross negligence for that female neighbor who heard the whole commotion to not have called the police or 999 (whatever the number is over there).
unfortunately in most places you can't compel someone to report or save someone or anything like that unless they have a special responsibility/relationship to the victim. in order to be charged for an act of omission, under both tort and criminal law, there must have been some obligation or law broken. and it's just not possible to prosecute every person who could've heard something and not intervened. they have to draw the line somewhere
I found your videos during the pandemic when I came across the lululemon murder video you did. I proceeded to then go back to your oldest video and watch/listen to every video you’ve ever posted. I finally caught up. Great job Eleanor!
I stayed in an Airbnb this weekend and listened to a lot of true crime on my trip. I wondered if there were any Airbnb killers. Then you post this video!! You’re the best Eleanor!!
What a truly horrific case that poor man these men are savages I really hope he's found some peace. The neighbour should be ashamed of herself and the sentences were an added insult to his poor parents
I was so shocked with the sentences! The pain and fear that poor man had to endure, when he was already in such a vulnerable situation. It's so sad to think how different it could have been if he had been renting from kind genuine people who would be willing to help rather than these monsters
@@NekoShiiro93 I completely agree I find in a lot of true crime cases that a 2 second moment in time can change your life forever if they hadn't needed somewhere that cheap or if even one of the men felt a stab of guilt for what was about to happen and tried to stop it but no unfortunately it didn't happen that way it's devastating
I agree! It seems that whenever a group teams up to beat someone to death, the victim suffers so much more, but the murderers are able to plead down to something like manslaughter because they weren't intending to kill, it was the combined actions of the group that lead to an unintentional or spur of the moment murder. The suffering of the victim should be considered much more when sentencing in situations like this!
Eleanor I have been watching your channel since last year when I took a forensic class in school it actually made me really interested in science where I never had before, it felt like all we did was just learn about photosynthesis over and OVER and there was nothing new but there is so many outlets for learning you never would have known about before and after I became interested in this subject I discovered your channel and it really helped me so much during the pandemic whenever I felt bored or wanted to learn more I knew I could always rely on you and I am so grateful for the care and hard work you put in on making these! You’ve gotten me through some hard times and you are so so beautiful by the way! :D ❤️
Eleanor you looks incredible!! Had to tell you that. You are incredibly passionate about your crime cases and very respectful with everything you say and put into your stories. Thank you for your amazing content and your contribution to every single case. You put your heart & soul into it!
If renter couldn’t pay they should have called the cops to rid themselves of the trespasser. Assaulting him doesn’t get money from a rock. Know when to cut your losses and don’t exasperate them.
@@Balletified oh God, I feel very sorry that your mom had to go through that situation! Yes, I can definitely see how it could be detrimental the other way around and the person ending up being disgustingly taken advantage of. Just a sad situation all the way around. It really disturbs me how people can take advantage of the kindness of others like that
@@Balletified I actually had a somewhat sort of similar situation (although nothing related to airbnb), my family is very kind and giving (to a fault) and my grandma who I was living with ended up letting my uncle's acquaintance stay at her house for a while while she was getting her life in order. What was supposed to be a few months turned to 7 years. This woman was a nightmare, she used to come into my room and steal my stuff (mostly beauty products or clothes), didn't clean up after herself, stole my sister's birthday money (who was like 10 or 11 at the time and this woman was in her 30s) and was just an overall nightmare to live with. She even tried to ask my grandmother to hide in her room so she could pretend the house was hers because she had invited a friend to come over 😂 the nerve. And my grandma and family didn't have the heart to kick her out and felt bad for her. Note that she never paid a penny to live there, my family never asked her for any money. She eventually moved out on her own, but even after moving out and getting her own apartment, she asked my family if she could move back in to sub rent her place to someone else 🙄 so yes, definitely, some people are just leaches and don't have any problem taking advantage of people. My grandma had helped people throughout her life like this but this was her first bad experience with it.
Some people not having sympathy for a victim is devastating. I’m in recovery myself, and thinking that someone would think my life is worth less than others is devastating. It makes people so ashamed to get help. It’s a huge part of why addicts will not admit to relapsing and will just never get help again.
I wished he'd left and slept in his car, knowing how bad the situation was getting with the men. It's so sad he lost his life. Ps, they be looking like some Frankston dwellers.... *if you know you know*
I want to thank you for making content at this hard time. I live in Ukraine and as many of you know, there's a current war here. I was in need of some content to ease my mind off of what's happening (though true crime and death might not seem like the most obvious way to shift attention from war). So again, I'm really thankful for your new video. In regards to the video, it's such a sad situation all around. I can't imagine how guilty the victim's family must be, knowing he probably wouldn't have died if they hadn't kicked him out.
This was so senseless...I don't know much about AirBNB but I feel like there were a lot of steps they could have taken before "murder" to get rid of an unwanted tenant.
I don't think they killed him. He died. I think he made them mad enough to think he deserves the beating, and he just died on his own. Probably because of the drugs.
@@TheLeijosa Not sure about the laws where this case took place, but squatters rights laws usually stipulate that a person has to have been there a lot longer than a week and been acting as the owner of the property. But even if squatters rights would apply here, there were still a lot of steps to take between "get out" and "murder."
@@Balletified I'm sorry that happened to your family; my initial point was that there were proper channels these guys should have gone through. Heck, they called the police after the physical assault; had they started there they might have gotten the vic to leave (even if they didn't get money from him.)
I just want to say I think it’s really nice the way you deliver your trigger warnings and the way you emphasise to look after yourself. Thank you for your thoughtfulness
i understand that it was the hosts right to demand the money and kick Ramis out but in no way shape or form was it justifiable to kill him and humiliate him like that. Ramis deserved so much better and was too young to die. may he rest in peace.
Why didn't they just steal his phone as payment? It has face ID, so they should be able to see it for atleast $100.... seems a lot better than beating and killing him. Or they could have had him call his parents and explain that he had racked up a $200 bill and SOMEONE needed to pay it. Or, like most reasonable people would do, they could have cut their losses and just thrown him out. 🤷
@Balletified murder is also a crime. Stealing from a junkie usually doesn't end In a police report. I would rather take my chances with stealing the phone than beating and killing him over money he doesn't have.
Eleanor please cover this case from here in my hometown in Irving, TX. I was a Junior at Nimitz High when another student killed his girlfriend, and it was a rocky toxic relationship. I remember the day we all found out it was a very sad and gloomy day we didn’t even have classes it was a shock to everyone. It could help other seek out help to leave an abusive/manipulative relationship especially in teens. The case is Jacob Lee Boyd v. the state of Texas.
This is hardly an ad for Airbnb. I always knew their morals were misplaced! They continued to allow this "host" to use their site regardless of the HORRIBLE reviews.
Most of these "influencers" need to take quite a few things from her. The level of respect, and extra time she takes to be respectful/thoughtful of situations and people's feelings. Definitely wish they all were this way. She's someone to look up to. Especially considering the things that are now popular to do so with.
& people like this is why she gives these warnings. Because not everyone cares about others feelings about situations or believes they deserve a warning. Some people are I'll put it nicely, childish.
Please do the case of Noah Donohoe to bring some awareness! The mother is still searching for answers after 2 years in June! The police are covering something up & are now trying to prosecute the mother for trying to find the justice she needs.
I love your channel so much Eleanor!! You have the best way of covering cases that show compassion for the victims. I am always so happy when I get a notification that you have done a video!!❤️💋
Thank you Eleanor for all your videos and your warnings about people and what they can do. Thank you for being interested in true crime and you’re videos are so compassionate to the families of the victims and the victims themselves. I hope you have an amazing life with your family and friends and just know we love you
These men were just brutes. They could've contacted AirBNB explaining the situation and I'm sure they would've came up with a way so that Ramis could pay his debt over time. They are disgusting and this entire situation is so sad.
4:15 unfortunately the system does this to a lot of families. My little brother was taken in 2020 and they left me there and I wasnt removed until summer of 2021. Even though my adoptive mom treated us horribly and abused us both. The system will try to keep children with family (like they did with me) and that can sometimes be worse (like it was with me) there are some good things about the system but all in all it sucks
I've always felt like they try to appease blood parents far too much, when what they should be doing is protecting and taking care of the kids. You see it in foster families, too. A kid will live with a stable, happy family for seven years and not know anything else, and then police will just show up and rip them away from everything they know because some biological parent decided to fuck up their life. That type of stuff shouldn't be allowed at all. The kid should ALWAYS come first; they're the innocent victim, and the parents are the ones who screwed up their chance. They shouldn't just get to demand a second, third, fourth / etc chance to mess up their kid.
as much as i love elenor, im sad to see that almost all of these comments are about complimenting her and not feeling sorry for the victim of this case (at least at this moment thats how the comments are). i listen to true crime almost all day and its like these cases just seem to get more and more depressing.
@@foximoxi8533 i know people are just trying to be nice but i wish theyd remember what exactly the content theyre listening to is about. if my loved one died and had a video made about them i wouldnt be too pleased to see everyone complimenting a girls appearance in the comment section instead of talking about the awful crime theyre listening to.
Omggggg Ellie you look amazing not that you didn’t before but I’ve tuned back in from like 2yrs ago and you’re almost unrecognisable!!! So good to see you still doing what you’re doing 💞
I feel... So so bad for this man. I've been homeless quite a bit in my life. And I'm 2500.00 in debt. It's such a sick, gut twisting feeling. To have no money, and no home. I understand his desperation. I don't blame him for begging them to stay. It's was worth a shot for a few more nights of safety from the streets. How heart breaking. Trying to claw you're way out of a sinkhole and you're literally beaten back down. My heart goes out for his family. They we're doing what they had to. You can't help someone who doesn't want it. However, they do not deserve this for trying to survive. Horrifying.
For someone living in Melbourne (moved here from a Muslim country), drug dependency and addiction are soooo common!!! It is really sad seeing how drugs here affect generations. And the saddest part is that the Australian government offers no help or support, neglecting the fact that drug dependency is a real mental illness.
Especially if he was doing all those drugs everyday, i can only imagine how incredibly melted his brain was towards the end especially with the lsd. Drug dependency is such a huge problem and I feel like rehab should definitely be less expensive so more people can get help.
The problem is that it's hard to prove things like that and there are guests who make things up when they're trying to scam hosts out of money. Security issues are investigated and dealt with, but there's only so much that can be done about bad reviews. Especially if people read them and still book.
@@Balletified it depends on your local laws. In Colorado (where I'm from) and in Australia (where the case took place) squatters rights don't kick in for years.
Girl look at you, you look so good❤️ Edit: I also love how you share these tragic stories thank you for making these videos I didn’t know anything about this case
I sometimes get upset when I listen to these stories, but that Jason guy has me enraged to the point where I would gladly make sure he gets what HE deserves.
Are their any requirements to be an Airbnb host? Or are there people who’s job it is to inspect how hosts run the place? Weird how they didn’t shut down considering the reviews.
Let’s talk about how HEALTHY Eleanor looks!!! AND she’s posting videos with little to no make up on. Glow up sis!!! I love you, you cure my depression. ♥️♥️🤙🏼
@Nonaya Bidness I feel opposite I think she looks unwell her hair is flat and lifeless looking she seems to have lost way too much weight her face looks pale that's just my opinion I feel she looked better before this big weightloss thing
@@irish2979 How would you feel if Eleanor actually read this comment? Her weight/loss is NOT something you need to openly discuss. Young girls and women grow up not feeling comfortable and confident in their own bodies with the unrealistic beauty standards that are set - let alone a troll on the internet thinking that they’re inclined to add in their two cents. Have some respect.
I remember when this happened, my mum is Australian and is from Melbourne originally and she was saying there was a man killed in an air bnb and at the time I really didn’t care much bcus I was like 18 and too many people got murdered all over the world but hearing the full story now is actually bizarre and heartbreaking 💔
He should of just left!!! it does seem he was taking the mick, it was a business after all...why would he expect them to look after him? yeah he had nowhere to go but i would of got out of there and tried my hardest to find somewhere even if it meant sleeping on a bench, plenty of people do. seems strange and dont think we have the full story. anyway he didnt deserve what they did to him but it could of been avoided.
Although I feel absolutley horrible for him I totally agree. No one forced him to stay. I feel like the best thing he could have done was just took off while no one was there. You can always get more things but you only get one life and it is 100% not wrth losing it over a place. He would have been way safer on the street and Im sure he knew that. Idk why he put himself in such a terrible situation.
I once called the police because my upstairs neighbour was trying to throw his pregnant wife off the 3rd floor balcony. Police showed up took him away & knocked on my door to let me know that all was ok. Now the upstairs neighbours knew who had called because of the idiot police! Everyone in the block now knew as well. Bad husband was out again in just a few hours & I had to move out because of threats from said bad husband upstairs!!!
The police couldve fuckkn called you! I hate people who have access to phone but dont use it.. Especially in these sort of situation (i mean the police)... Even if the guy was sent to death sentence.. We wont know if anyone associted with him wanted revenge
7-13 years is not enough. Get the money for the days he knew he was paying for, let him off with the days you told him he could have for free and don't let him stay any longer unless he can start paying for more nights. I get that they didn't have to give him any free nights but they said they would so they can't exactly expect him to pay when he was told he wouldn't have to, if they changed their minds all they had to do was not let him stay for free any longer.
That’s so sad and disturbing the little amount of time they got for taking that man’s life. They all have full lives after they get out and will be more than capable of committing another heinous crime. They should never see the light of day again.
i live in melbourne and had never even heard of this case! thanks for sharing, althought these cases are terrifying to think about, its crazy to know how these things happen everyday, everywhere.
I'm only 11:55 in, so take this part of my comment with a grain of salt. Hearing the desperation of Ramis and him begging for just a little help, knowing that at the end of this video he will be dead, breaks my heart into so many small pieces. I'm almost afraid to continue to watch. This is by far one of the craziest cases I have heard in a long time! Wow!!!
thanks eleanor 💖 you’re such an inspiration and you bring to light the darkest parts of societies with you’re amazing storytelling 👏👏 sending love from the states
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You should check out the show Worst Roommate Ever on Netflix! It's got some cases you've covered on your channel!
Eleanor, you look SO GOOD!!!!!! I haven’t watched you in a while and when I saw you my jaw dropped! Have you been working out? I would love to know what you’ve done for weight loss. You just look amazing. You looked amazing before, but the difference is undeniable.
And you also look amazing without makeup, I hope to have your confidence someday!
Thank you for always bringing us amazing content, and just wanted you to know you’re amazing. Much love to you ❤️
U can do it xxx
Wait you also said you used Nord VPN for 2 years ? script? or Truth?
I can't imagine how guilty his family feels for throwing him out. Not that they should or that they did the wrong thing, but if that were my son or my brother I would be devastated and couldn't help but blame myself.
That was the first thing I thought. Can't imagine the guilt they must feel.
They should feel bad tbh I don’t think they deserve the guilt of him losing his life, but he was a addict, not to mention gay, and putting him out on the streets was ridiculously dangerous. He needed HELP, not to be taught a lesson.
edit: I feel like I worded that badly but by “they don’t deserve the guilt of him losing his life” I mean they shouldn’t feel so guilty that they blame his death on themselves cuz im sure they were lost when dealing with an addict and believed it was the right thing to do.
@@genoswest7253 Nah, I disagree. I'm a bisexual trans recovering addict myself. Sometimes even housing and feeding addicts is enabling them. Addicts HAVE to hit rock bottom in order to get it in our own minds to recover. And really, if you've ever been around an addict for more than an hour, we're real big assholes.
@@z0minos13 no dude I get it I have severe BPD and I’m a huge asshole during breakdowns. I get where you’re coming from but everyone deserves a roof over their heads and a warm meal. I understand the rock bottom thing may work for some but it def doesn’t work for all, and I personally don’t think it’s the way to go. addiction and mental illness don’t make you YOU anymore, if that makes sense. Everyday is rock bottom. I believe that the best way to recover is to receive help. Feeling helpless and alone are two of the worst feelings in the world to me. i know getting into rehab isn’t easy or even accessible to many but I think that trying that route is a lot better that taking the risk of putting an ill person on the streets who could hurt themselves and potentially others. I hope that makes sense I respect your take 100% especially as someone who’s in recovery, you obviously know more than me so I hope I don’t sound like an asshole pfft and I hope it all gets better :^)
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@@z0minos13 totally agree. My brother was addicted to alcohol, heroin, fentanyl and Oxy, and whilst he clearly needed help, he just didn’t want it but proceeded to treat my parents and their home/possessions horrifically, even at one point arranging a burglary of their home by a “friend” of his. He pawned jewellery my mum had been given by her first husband and youngest son who both died on the same day, despite knowing how precious these things were to her. He was aggressive, violent, unpredictable, and it almost destroyed my mum and dad trying to help him by letting him live with them. They really tried their best and even when mum finally said she couldn’t live with them any more, they set him up with his own flat and would shop and clean for him and give him money because they were terrified if he was homeless he’d end up dead. ultimately I think either he just never really hit rock bottom or his addiction was just too strong, and he ODed in 2017. It’s impossible sometimes to know the best thing to do, but for one commenter to say this guys parents don’t deserve to feel guilt is so harsh and narrow minded. Like you say, addicts are assholes to be around but a lot of people don’t appreciate this! Good luck with your recovery I wish you all the best, sounds like you’re on the right path now which is great 😊
My question is how did they stay on the site for as long as they did with such horrible reviews?! The company has some hand in this. They should've not been able to continue hosting at all. This could've been avoided. Such a tragedy
it is strange. I always look at the bad reviews now before any good reviews. and if it's really cheap there is a good reason.
I’m glad I always read the reviews and only rent from “superhosts”
All I hear are bad things about Airbnb lately. I'll stick to hotels. :/
When you're poor, and it's your only option, you settle for what you can get. Needs must and all.
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As someone who hosts , I understand why this happened. There are some nasty horrible guests out there
I just want to take a moment and thank Eleanor for being so compassionate to her viewers by giving content warnings. You never know what someone is going through and these warnings give viewers the option to watch or not and she doesn't put shame on anyone. You're the best!
WARNING I am the unprettiest human YTer worldwide. Take the hint, dear bri
I particularly really appreciate when people give content warnings for animal abuse. I just can't stomach it or stand to think about it, I just skip right over those parts.
Yeah I’ll love how she does the content warning ⚠️
Trigger warnings are counterproductive. We are responsible for our triggers and overcoming them ourselves, its no one else's responsibility to baby us. Any psychologist worth salt will tell you that trigger warnings and avoidance only make you worse.
@@yelhsasokolova8561 yes! 100% agree
Oh my god!!! I can’t believe you’re covering this case, Jason was my manager at the Brighton Baths (a restaurant). He was a nice guy to me, but you could tell when things went down at work you could just see it in his eyes, he would snap and get angry! This is insane as no one really made a big deal about this in Melbourne, glad to see you’re covering it!
Also when this happened, he just one day never showed up to work again and then we all found out about it on the news and we figured out why he stopped working there hahahah
Oh my goodness, that’s crazy you knew him. I think I would feel so uneasy knowing I had been around someone who ended up murdering another person. I’m glad he was nice enough to you and didn’t cause trouble there. He seems like a scary guy in general
@@msnlitadventures9597 I just found out about this case and what this piece of shit did with his cronies. Only 11 yrs for taking Ramis life. Australia is a piece pf shit justice system they should lock this piece of shit for life and throw away the key. I hope there’s someone out in the universe who avenges cases like these.
I can’t believe that people doesn’t intervene when something is going on. I’ve called the police several times on a neighbor that I’m sure is beating his wife due to the sounds I hear. Finally, since police can’t do anything if the people say everything is fine, I’ve called social services because they have kids and they can investigate in a way police can’t. Whenever I hear all the commotion I always think that I couldn’t live with myself if someone was being murdered and that I could have helped prevent it.
It was clearly a trouble house. There was likey many similar event where people were not killed. I don't blame her for not getting involved.
@@alex123case to be fair the police have been called to the house a lot, I understand that it was a troubled house but you always make a call if something doesn't seem right.
Several years ago I had a young couple with a son as neighbors and they lived across the street. One night while I was in my room playing on my Xbox I heard screams coming from their house. My parents were in the living room watching a movie but the volume was too loud for them to hear, so when I came out of my room to tell them about the screams they had to mute the TV. My mom immediately took a step outside so she could hear more clearly what was going on, as their front door was wide open. Moments later she rushed back in to grab her phone and call the police. After she hung up she said she could hear yelling, screaming, crying, punching, and slammed doors and cabinets. We saw the police come and go from our living room window, and things were quiet for a while. I stayed up that night in case the fighting started up again, but luckily I saw that the mom had her son in her arms while another man, I’m assuming was a relative, helped her grab her bags and they left in the middle of the night.
@Alex B making anonymous call to police is still staying out of it. My best friend was murdered, neighbors heard the arguing/screams for help and didn't call the police. If they did, she might have survived since this went on for over 2 hrs before he killed her. Also, if it is a violent/troublesome house, it will only escalate, and then shit like this happens. I'd rather call the cops 10 times and only be right once, than not call once, and someone dies. If you were the one in trouble and a call to police could possibly save your life, you would hope that someone would make that call, wouldn't you?
We have a "trouble house" and the police never come anymore when I know they're getting multiple calls from inside our house, on the street, and several other neighbors.
Back when they did used to come they did nothing. Except park in the driveway of who called and make you the next target.
People like this disgust me. Instead of either kicking him out or calling the police, they decided to kill him. It was their house they didn’t have to keep him there. They CLEARLY know he is not financially stable. This is on their hands.
Also AirBNB should be to blame as well because if a property have more than 3 complaints you should terminate the contract and not allow them to place their property on the site. Smh
That's not how it works with Airbnb though, especially considering most complaints are frivolous or due to guest error/misunderstanding or the listing and/or policies. Cases like these are too rare to make rules that good hosts would suffer for. I wish those psychos would have gotten far worse punishments though
@@wigglemelon8807 I see what you’re saying but this case should have made them change their policies. This is not the first time a Airbnb host have done some fucked yo shit to their guests. But they don’t care because of money and attraction to their site.
@@JadeMuray the guests do some messed up stuff too, which is also rarely serious and just due to greed, dishonesty, or pettiness on both sides. I'm not sure what kinds of policies you'd want them to change or put in place though.
They deserve to be in jail for the rest of their lives, I don’t understand how they can just sentence them such a short amount of time, knowing how violent these men are
I think it may be time without parole. So that is the minimum time they will spend in jail. Still not great I agree but it is still possible that they will spend their whole lives locked up 🤞
Even if it was time with parole doesn’t mean that the parole will be accepted by the judge and if they do another crime while in jail they will be sentenced longer for the new crime
It took place in the UK or Australia right?? Pretty sure its Australia, they (& the UK) never sentence murderers properly. It pisses me off. They just get slaps on the wrist. Its infuriating
I’m Aussie, it’s because our court system tends to favour criminals. Most of the time they get the lightest sentence possible by law. It pisses most of us off
@@hannahs1119 No, it's not the minimum time they will spend without the chance of parole. Those light sentences are their actual sentences, and they most likely will be let out in half the time if they have good behavior.
i’m not sure if your comments are open for case suggestions, but i’d love for you to cover the case of susan may, my mum’s auntie, (well, more accurately, the ex-wife of my grandfathers cousin) she was accused of murdering her aunt despite there being little to no evidence. she spent almost all of her life in prison because she never took any of the rehabilitation classes as she refused to say she killed her. most of my family believes she is innocent, but being related to her, we’re a bit biased so i’d love to see a video so i can get to know others’ opinions on the case.
I would love to watch it I hope your mom aunt is well 🤗
@🌍A WORLD WITHOUT WAR🕊️ Maybe brush up on your skills before you start spamming, eh?
@@queenshai1270 she sadly died a few years back, but thank you for the kind message 🥰
@@mollyhoward7148 your very welcome ☺
It's genuinely infuriating when people are convicted for crimes when there's little to no evidence that they did it. It's clear that the police want cases to be closed quickly instead of taking their time to convict the right people. I'm sorry she went through that, and I'm sorry for your loss.
The way they treated Ramus made me cry. I could barely finish this video. I would’ve let him stay if he agreed to clean the house/ help around the house/ get help with his drug problem. Ramus didn’t deserve any of what he got. RIP🥺
What if Greg thought that in calling the police he was essentially giving himself an alibi? What if he realised that they'd gone to far and he tried to make it look like he wasn't as involved as his roommates, or that he even tried to stop them?
So that in court he could be like "It wasn't me, I even called the police".
Or is that too much foresight for this individual?
exactly what i thought!!
This is sad. I don't think they should feel responsible for taking care of or housing a grown man for free, no matter how down on his luck he is. However all they had to do was say no and kick him out . There's 3 of them they could easily have removed him and his stuff without a fight even if Ramis wasn't super willing to leave. Evil disgusting monsters. How these men were still allowed on air bnb after they had stolen property from guests is beyond me. I know people who have been removed for ridiculously silly shit.
@@Balletified It's horrible seeing someone down on their luck even if they are dependent on drugs. I would never allow someone to stay without a legit booking though. If I felt bad enough I may go as far as booking a few nights at a cheap motel (in cash so they wouldn't be able to come after me for any damages) and possibly purchasing some groceries.
Squatter's rights in some cases are good, but in others are absolutely horrendous. It's too bad that we can't just trust everyone to be respectful and invite them into our homes. That sure would make things a whole lot easier!
No matter what this man did in his past he obviously didn't deserve to be raped and killed (don't think anyone deserves that combination).
I'm sorry to hear your mother was treated so horribly for having such a good heart and for the difficulties she and your entire family have had to deal with as a result. I hate that people take advantage of other's kindness. I hope your future and hers is full of good from now on rather than the previous evils you've seen before.
@@Balletified People tend to assume that landlords are rich people who are always trying to screw over the little guy.
They don't see these kinds of stories. My dad is a landlord and has been for decades. It is INSANE the shit people pull, and it's like the laws are against you in a lot of places. He literally has to bribe people to get out of his houses sometimes because it's cheaper than trying to get them evicted.
But people only care about tenant's rights or renter's rights. They don't care about the hell that landlords get put through, most of whom are just running a small extra property or small space to get a bit of extra money and are not rich at all.
Stories like this are also why you want to be a good tenant. If you're a good tenant, any landlord who knows anything will go out of their way to keep you, because you're not destroying their property and hopefully paying on time. Only a complete idiot landlord would not take care of a good tenant. My dad has some renters that he never raised the rent on (until rent controls started getting implemented. He'll give you a good price if you're a good tenant, but if the government is going to step in and punish him for doing that then he's obviously going to charge what the property is actually worth instead...)
How do you know there wasn’t a fight and it wasn’t self defense ?
@@sean4060 Eleanor literally explained it could not have been self defense because there wasn't a single wound on all 3 men that attacked him
Yeah right! It wasn’t at all their responsibility. I personally think there are families or special centres for drug addicts that want to give up on that life, the others have no responsibility. Still they should’ve kicked him out. Sick people they’re totally vile and disgusting beings.
This story is so sad. The part that really got me was the woman who heard the beating going on and didn’t call the cops?!She didn’t have to go over and intervene. She could stay anonymous and call the cops. I can’t imagine hearing that going on and walking away like that’s not my business. That part really got to me…
imagine how many lives would’ve been saved if someone just made a phone call. really motivates me to call the police if i hear anything suspicious
to be fair, your mind wouldn't immediately go to murder, no? plus, with how violent and rambunctious these men are, i'm assuming she would have heard loud noises coming from their house all the time.
If I heard someone screaming, I’m calling the cops. I would not want that guilt of finding out that I could have saved that person. Arguing and fighting in general raises my anxiety level a lot because of my past. If I can save someone else, I will. It’s just a phone call.
To be fair to her, it sounds like this is a bad neighborhood and maybe she didn't want backlash from these guys if they somehow found out she called the police on them. It's sad but it happens. She was probably terrified of them.
@@SouperPie. no her statement made it known the man sounded like he was in deep pain.
As a drug addict in recovery, my heart broke at the reality that Ramis only had $6 in his account and nowhere to go. I was fortunate in that my family put up with me/I wasn't in a position to be left on the street, but I know that $6-left-in-your-bank-account vibe and it's a horrendous situation to be in. Gosh, the man was literally SHOWING his bank account to Craig until he let him stay for the week and then he...changed his mind about it? Sure, he could do that, but what a shitty moral compass you have to have to just decide that allowing a sick man four more days of your home would be a colossal inconvenience. I know Ramis was stalling to leave, but of COURSE he would. No one wants to be forced onto the street, especially not a drug addict, and especially not a drug addict who was told he could stay a bit longer. The man was struggling; it happens, and the lack of empathy shown towards him is sickening. My former-addict heart shatters for him.
Ramis wasn't at ALL responsible for his murder, so this is just a side-note, but to anyone here struggling to recover from addiction: you have my support and my love, and with time & hope, you'll be alright.
Cheers to recovery
Congrats! I'm glad you're doing better.
Drug addiction and homeless or not, don't ask a stranger to put up with it. He was nice enough to let him stay longer, but I would be pissed if you paid me for three days and then bothered me when time was up. I would give you a little longer, but if I asked you to leave a second time and you tried to get me to let you stay again, I would bust you in the face. Your not intitled to anything, and it's beyond rude to take advantage of a person's kindness. No one owes you anything just because you can't get your life in order. If you're on drugs and you want my help, you better be out painting my house and mowing my lawn without me asking, and then I might think you care about me and wouldn't mind helping, but don't sleep in my house and just expect me to let you stay because you don't have anything. That's beyond stupid to expect that, and I can't stand people like that. If you can hustle drugs, you can clean my gutters or get the hell out.
@@russellmanweller6694 I think you're forgetting that the people he was staying with were also drug addicts themselves AND they originally said he could stay longer and then changed their minds.
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It makes me livid that the three murderers were only charged with involuntary manslaughter and given such light sentences. smh. Rest in peace Ramis. 🌹
I love hearing you cover these cases. It's like listening to a good friend talk.
Not even two hours ago I thought to myself "man, I feel like watching true crime but Eleanor hasn't uploaded anything" and here you are with a new video! I love it!
Saw the notification and INSTANTLY clicked, love you so much! You’ve made me more aware of scary men/women and my surroundings in public and what to do when I feel in danger, I cannot thank you enough
sameee! literally im so aware of my surroundings now because you dont know who to trust
Same here, now I know how to possibly avoid these situations and I'm more catious than I was before
Remember that in that moment your body may respond different than everything you always thought/prepared you would do. If so (not wishing anything on you!) never beat yourself up over it. We always envision how we react. Like fight. Well I failed, twice. I just froze solid and it was literally as if especially the last guy had full control of my body and brain. Mentally I am kind of ok, but physically I am in pain just sitting and nothing can be done as they can't see anything wrong. No because you won't do surgery to see if my nerves are destroyed which my therapist said was likely due to the what and how.
I can't skip a bowelmovement but it happens. The longer the worse. I take a pillow sometimes to scream in on my lap. Only painkillers take the very worst off and make it sort of liveable becsuse I must visit my mom 2x a week. Must as in I vowed to myself. If she is gone.... I really don't know.
A few things were very hard on me and this freezing was one of them as qas doing exactly what he wanted but after long therapy I sort of was able to make peace and understood that this was my body respond to stay alive and that I did what he demanded: he had a knife ready and any sound or non compliance I was scared to death would get me killed and them mom and dad...... I guess I tried to heighten my survival as it was likely he was unhinged and any no could be a reason to stab me to death. In the end he did stab me, once. But since it seemed like a new add on to a practiced script it wasn't deep enough and I was too scared to go to Police or GP. It was barely 9 years after the last same sort of attack: who would believe me if the Police in the first case made sure to let me know by remarks and questions they didn't.... I couldn't and I couldn't face any rapekit :-/
You always think you are prepared until you face danger. Your body runs over the 3 F's (fight, flight, freeze). Unfortunately, regardless of how often I tell myself I'd be a fighter or runner, my ass is a freezer out of instinct. Watching true crime and preparing are so much different from real danger and the biological responses our idiotic brains decide for us a lot of the time.
@@Fluffy-Fluffy i completely agree. Your body has a fight or flight mode and in the splint second your brain acts to coping mechanisms an then react in coping as well. However some advice if your in danger. Best to yell "Fire" instead of screaming and saying "help" because In most cases people tend to avoid helping but if it's a fire they tend to react because they're not in imminent danger or they can watch which disgustingly people have the bystander affect.
i can’t believe they tried to say it was self defence, absolutely disgusting behaviour.
Me Too felt same.
This case is touching in so many ways. There's so much to everything everything that went on. It really shows how fragile we all are, how quick a fight turns into a death
, and how violence is really never the awswr.
Manslaughter? I really do think these men need to be retried and serve life in prison for murder.
i think it’s because manslaughter is killing without the initial intent to kill. yes they wanted to hurt him very badly but they didn’t like start off the day planning to kill him. it’s awful but the law is never fair.
These stories are always so sad and senseless but I can’t help but to hear you tell them.
I always say, if I have to hear how rotten people are, I want Eleanor to be the one telling me.
Ikr. I know if Eleanor is covering it..it will be heart wrenching but I can't help myself. I'm so drawn to her lol
Yes her and Kendall Rae are legit my favorite true crime tellers❤️😩
i can’t imagine hearing screaming in pain and not intervening by calling 911. it’s the LEAST that could have been done. i personally would want someone to send help my way if i was heard brutally screaming. smh
My ex husband attacked me when I was 9 months pregnant, was choking me outside of our apartment and our neighbor came outside to tell us to keep it down because it was like 4am. I literally screamed at him to call the police and my ex said I was just being crazy. The neighbor told him to get me under control and "take it inside", then went back into his apartment. People are *literally garbage*
@@wigglemelon8807 oh my lord! Im so sorry this happened to you! I hope you and your dear child are doing okay now
@@joysurrender1995 and it got worse when the cops came! I told the a-hole that *after* my husband had attacked me and was refusing to let me go when I was screaming that I was in pain, I slapped him once and punched him in the back of the head once, in an attempt to get him to let me go. The officer says he has to arrest ME for assault because I was the first/only one to technically "hit". Luckily the case was dropped when the DA heard the story, but it's still so ridiculous to me how people can be in such scary situations and there's no help for them. But I appreciate that ❤ we're definitely better now
@@wigglemelon8807 i’m so sorry you went through that and i am so happy for you to have gotten out!!! you deserve so much better and if you haven’t found it yet, i believe it’ll come soon!(: your neighbour is trash for that wtf!! & the double charge law is so frustrating, especially when comparing the severity of actions and the intent… when you’re scared, you’re in fight or flight and i hate that victims and survivors of DV are revictimized by the system constantly. wishing you the best!
@@wigglemelon8807 I really hate the justice system sooo much. Sorry to hear what you went through
These are the dumbest men I have ever heard of. They killed this man, called the cops, and thought things were sweet!? I'm flabbergasted.
Oh, that’s terrifying! I didn’t even know that occupied houses could be listed on AirBnB.
I would love a case on the famous sociologist Louis Althusser who murdered his wife. The whole case is so interesting
Australian law seriously worries me. After all the evidence and everything you said throughout the video the amount of years they got is so minimal in comparison to other countries. My own personal experiences with the law here as a victim doesn't help my opinion either. It's just sad really. Had to rant about it sorry 😆 Thank you for your videos. I found your channel recently and already listened to them all. I look forward to new uploads.
Growing up in Australia, I'm so lucky, to not be Murdered by someone that would have got 5/10 years🤤
Australia. Another pHARMafia state
It isn’t any better here in America either :/
Sorry i sent this too the wrong person.
In Brazil they would’ve got 5 years and they would leave jail in 1 or 2 years. Or maybe would wait for a holiday to actually leave the prison and just never come back
Hey Eleanor! I'd like to ask if you could cover a case from my home country Serbia, we've had a major case of the disappearance and murder of Tijana Jurić in 2014 that led to some important laws and made national news it would mean the world to me if you did a video on it. This case happened when i was 11 and it was what made me become obsessed with true crime and want to become a criminal psychologist. I love your videos, you're absolutely incredible at delivering these cases in a respectful and composed manner and that's why I'd love to see you cover this case. Keep up the good work, much love
This sounds so interesting! Love from Germany 🥰
I’ll take a shot at it 😊
Please show respect for the victim. This video is about the victim, and mentioning other cases is almost like you’re overshadowing the content that’s being discussed. Remember, this is someone’s family. Lets redirect the focus here, and though I am sorry for the victim you mentioned, please contact her by email or a case suggestion form to suggest a case for Eleanor to discuss. These cases may sound “interesting” or “to pass time by”, but these are serious matters and should be respected and treated with care. If it were you as the victim, I’m sure you wouldn’t want someone to make a suggestion while your case is being discussed and the topic. Have respect.
@@ThePresentTimeNow Eleanor said to leave any requests in the comments. She posted it in the video description
@@kimsmith819 exactly! She specifically states that she doesn't accept requests through email or social media only in the comments
This one is so disturbing. I can't believe how sad some peoples lives end up. I also can't believe they didn't get a harsher charge. There was more than one of them and they sexually assaulted him. It is so awful.
I am disgusted at their light sentences!!!! This poor man, I feel so bad for what he endured. His family probably feels awful for ever making him leave. Anyhow, seeing that all three took part in his death, your title should read "hosts", plural, not singular "host".
Thanks for the upload & have a good one!
EDIT: And forgot to say what gross negligence for that female neighbor who heard the whole commotion to not have called the police or 999 (whatever the number is over there).
The emergency number in Australia is 000.
unfortunately in most places you can't compel someone to report or save someone or anything like that unless they have a special responsibility/relationship to the victim. in order to be charged for an act of omission, under both tort and criminal law, there must have been some obligation or law broken. and it's just not possible to prosecute every person who could've heard something and not intervened. they have to draw the line somewhere
I found your videos during the pandemic when I came across the lululemon murder video you did. I proceeded to then go back to your oldest video and watch/listen to every video you’ve ever posted. I finally caught up. Great job Eleanor!
I stayed in an Airbnb this weekend and listened to a lot of true crime on my trip. I wondered if there were any Airbnb killers. Then you post this video!! You’re the best Eleanor!!
Creepy to say the least. Just make sure you have the entire place to yourself
@@kimsmith819 couldn't the host just have copy of the keys of it's entire apartment or house? :( eep.
What a truly horrific case that poor man these men are savages I really hope he's found some peace. The neighbour should be ashamed of herself and the sentences were an added insult to his poor parents
I was so shocked with the sentences! The pain and fear that poor man had to endure, when he was already in such a vulnerable situation. It's so sad to think how different it could have been if he had been renting from kind genuine people who would be willing to help rather than these monsters
@@NekoShiiro93 I completely agree I find in a lot of true crime cases that a 2 second moment in time can change your life forever if they hadn't needed somewhere that cheap or if even one of the men felt a stab of guilt for what was about to happen and tried to stop it but no unfortunately it didn't happen that way it's devastating
Those sentences are a disgrace honestly people gt more time for things not even half as bad...thank you for another great video xx
I agree! It seems that whenever a group teams up to beat someone to death, the victim suffers so much more, but the murderers are able to plead down to something like manslaughter because they weren't intending to kill, it was the combined actions of the group that lead to an unintentional or spur of the moment murder. The suffering of the victim should be considered much more when sentencing in situations like this!
Eleanor I have been watching your channel since last year when I took a forensic class in school it actually made me really interested in science where I never had before, it felt like all we did was just learn about photosynthesis over and OVER and there was nothing new but there is so many outlets for learning you never would have known about before and after I became interested in this subject I discovered your channel and it really helped me so much during the pandemic whenever I felt bored or wanted to learn more I knew I could always rely on you and I am so grateful for the care and hard work you put in on making these! You’ve gotten me through some hard times and you are so so beautiful by the way! :D ❤️
Eleanor you looks incredible!! Had to tell you that. You are incredibly passionate about your crime cases and very respectful with everything you say and put into your stories. Thank you for your amazing content and your contribution to every single case. You put your heart & soul into it!
If renter couldn’t pay they should have called the cops to rid themselves of the trespasser. Assaulting him doesn’t get money from a rock. Know when to cut your losses and don’t exasperate them.
What a heartbreaking case. Killed a poor man for $200. So sad. May he rest in peace.
How different this could have been if he was staying with kind hearted people :(
@@NekoShiiro93 or a private airbnb rental. Sad no matter how you look at it
@@Balletified oh God, I feel very sorry that your mom had to go through that situation! Yes, I can definitely see how it could be detrimental the other way around and the person ending up being disgustingly taken advantage of. Just a sad situation all the way around. It really disturbs me how people can take advantage of the kindness of others like that
@@Balletified I actually had a somewhat sort of similar situation (although nothing related to airbnb), my family is very kind and giving (to a fault) and my grandma who I was living with ended up letting my uncle's acquaintance stay at her house for a while while she was getting her life in order. What was supposed to be a few months turned
to 7 years. This woman was a nightmare, she used to come into my room and steal my stuff (mostly beauty products or clothes), didn't clean up after herself, stole my sister's birthday money (who was like 10 or 11 at the time and this woman was in her 30s) and was just an overall nightmare to live with. She even tried to ask my grandmother to hide in her room so she could pretend the house was hers because she had invited a friend to come over 😂 the nerve. And my grandma and family didn't have the heart to kick her out and felt bad for her. Note that she never paid a penny to live there, my family never asked her for any money. She eventually moved out on her own, but even after moving out and getting her own apartment, she asked my family if she could move back in to sub rent her place to someone else 🙄 so yes, definitely, some people are just leaches and don't have any problem taking advantage of people. My grandma had helped people throughout her life like this but this was her first bad experience with it.
@@Balletified Was he able to get away with staying in your mother's house because of squatter laws?
Despite his past, he DID NOT deserve to lose his life😞
Some people not having sympathy for a victim is devastating. I’m in recovery myself, and thinking that someone would think my life is worth less than others is devastating. It makes people so ashamed to get help. It’s a huge part of why addicts will not admit to relapsing and will just never get help again.
I wished he'd left and slept in his car, knowing how bad the situation was getting with the men. It's so sad he lost his life.
Ps, they be looking like some Frankston dwellers.... *if you know you know*
IKR
And the neighbor did NOTHING ??! what.
I want to thank you for making content at this hard time. I live in Ukraine and as many of you know, there's a current war here. I was in need of some content to ease my mind off of what's happening (though true crime and death might not seem like the most obvious way to shift attention from war). So again, I'm really thankful for your new video.
In regards to the video, it's such a sad situation all around. I can't imagine how guilty the victim's family must be, knowing he probably wouldn't have died if they hadn't kicked him out.
Sending prayers to you and your country from the uk ❤️🇬🇦
This was so senseless...I don't know much about AirBNB but I feel like there were a lot of steps they could have taken before "murder" to get rid of an unwanted tenant.
EXACTLY. like all of the bad rating about how unsafe. they shouldn't have let them continue on the app
Squatter's right are a real thing. They messed up when allowed him to stay over a week. But then their next steps were super messed up!
I don't think they killed him. He died. I think he made them mad enough to think he deserves the beating, and he just died on his own. Probably because of the drugs.
@@TheLeijosa Not sure about the laws where this case took place, but squatters rights laws usually stipulate that a person has to have been there a lot longer than a week and been acting as the owner of the property.
But even if squatters rights would apply here, there were still a lot of steps to take between "get out" and "murder."
@@Balletified I'm sorry that happened to your family; my initial point was that there were proper channels these guys should have gone through. Heck, they called the police after the physical assault; had they started there they might have gotten the vic to leave (even if they didn't get money from him.)
I just want to say I think it’s really nice the way you deliver your trigger warnings and the way you emphasise to look after yourself. Thank you for your thoughtfulness
I agree she’s always so nice “I’ll see you a different time” she really feels like a friend to her subscribers 🥺
i understand that it was the hosts right to demand the money and kick Ramis out but in no way shape or form was it justifiable to kill him and humiliate him like that. Ramis deserved so much better and was too young to die. may he rest in peace.
you’re so calming and so comforting i love listening to your stories
Why didn't they just steal his phone as payment? It has face ID, so they should be able to see it for atleast $100.... seems a lot better than beating and killing him. Or they could have had him call his parents and explain that he had racked up a $200 bill and SOMEONE needed to pay it. Or, like most reasonable people would do, they could have cut their losses and just thrown him out. 🤷
@Balletified murder is also a crime. Stealing from a junkie usually doesn't end In a police report. I would rather take my chances with stealing the phone than beating and killing him over money he doesn't have.
I love when you get mobile app sponsors 'cause my favourite thing to do is listen to true crime while playing a chill game
Eleanor please cover this case from here in my hometown in Irving, TX. I was a Junior at Nimitz High when another student killed his girlfriend, and it was a rocky toxic relationship. I remember the day we all found out it was a very sad and gloomy day we didn’t even have classes it was a shock to everyone. It could help other seek out help to leave an abusive/manipulative relationship especially in teens.
The case is Jacob Lee Boyd v. the state of Texas.
So sad, I’m from Tx too (rgv) I’m gonna search this up
It’s sad how common it is for Texas teens to struggle with these situations (I’m from Santa Fe tx so small town )
Eleanor! Please do this case!!!!
Been watching you nonestop for the past week and I'm literally addicted. You tell everything so well love ur vids
This is hardly an ad for Airbnb. I always knew their morals were misplaced! They continued to allow this "host" to use their site regardless of the HORRIBLE reviews.
Just 7 and 9? I think these guys deserve much more
Look forward to Eleanor's videos so much, thankyou for all the effort these take to research&film🥰
Most of these "influencers" need to take quite a few things from her. The level of respect, and extra time she takes to be respectful/thoughtful of situations and people's feelings. Definitely wish they all were this way. She's someone to look up to. Especially considering the things that are now popular to do so with.
I love how she always gives trigger warning with every video.
@@kimsmith819 I respect that but why would you "love" it..have you got ptsd for multiple things or something?..
@@fionamcfadden5772 what’s the point of this comment?
& people like this is why she gives these warnings. Because not everyone cares about others feelings about situations or believes they deserve a warning. Some people are I'll put it nicely, childish.
@@fionamcfadden5772 If you got nothing nice to say, don’t say it
Love you sm Eleanor. So grateful for the consistent uploads! 😌😌
Please do the case of Noah Donohoe to bring some awareness! The mother is still searching for answers after 2 years in June! The police are covering something up & are now trying to prosecute the mother for trying to find the justice she needs.
I love your channel so much Eleanor!! You have the best way of covering cases that show compassion for the victims. I am always so happy when I get a notification that you have done a video!!❤️💋
DROPPED AT THE PERFECT TIME! I’m in the hospital bored out of my mind. Love you Eleanor💖
Damn, hope you're ok!
Get well soooon!
@@twukibxnny thanks. I have a bad infection hopefully I can go home to my kids Wednesday
@@hb8766 thank you
@@maryking8617 I bet they miss you dearly! Get well soon♥️
Thank you Eleanor for all your videos and your warnings about people and what they can do. Thank you for being interested in true crime and you’re videos are so compassionate to the families of the victims and the victims themselves. I hope you have an amazing life with your family and friends and just know we love you
who else almost immediately picks her videos when you see it❤️ love her true crime content💛
@Linda 🍒 Turned in to the Feds for porn. Keep your but cheeks closed when you end up in prison
These men were just brutes. They could've contacted AirBNB explaining the situation and I'm sure they would've came up with a way so that Ramis could pay his debt over time. They are disgusting and this entire situation is so sad.
4:15 unfortunately the system does this to a lot of families. My little brother was taken in 2020 and they left me there and I wasnt removed until summer of 2021. Even though my adoptive mom treated us horribly and abused us both. The system will try to keep children with family (like they did with me) and that can sometimes be worse (like it was with me) there are some good things about the system but all in all it sucks
I've always felt like they try to appease blood parents far too much, when what they should be doing is protecting and taking care of the kids.
You see it in foster families, too. A kid will live with a stable, happy family for seven years and not know anything else, and then police will just show up and rip them away from everything they know because some biological parent decided to fuck up their life. That type of stuff shouldn't be allowed at all. The kid should ALWAYS come first; they're the innocent victim, and the parents are the ones who screwed up their chance. They shouldn't just get to demand a second, third, fourth / etc chance to mess up their kid.
as much as i love elenor, im sad to see that almost all of these comments are about complimenting her and not feeling sorry for the victim of this case (at least at this moment thats how the comments are). i listen to true crime almost all day and its like these cases just seem to get more and more depressing.
i feel the same 😩
Yea the comments are definitely very odd. I’m sure she appreciates the support, but it feels misplaced when she’s talking about such a dark subject.
@@foximoxi8533 i know people are just trying to be nice but i wish theyd remember what exactly the content theyre listening to is about. if my loved one died and had a video made about them i wouldnt be too pleased to see everyone complimenting a girls appearance in the comment section instead of talking about the awful crime theyre listening to.
It’s very odd, and I make it my priority to call them out. Just shows how brain dead this generation is.
Man: dies
Comment: OMG your hair looks SOOOO good!!
I love the way u spread awareness but still stay respectful well done love ur vids
i love eleanor's videos and her voice is strangely peaceful even though she's telling murder stories
Omggggg Ellie you look amazing not that you didn’t before but
I’ve tuned back in from like 2yrs ago and you’re almost unrecognisable!!! So good to see you still doing what you’re doing 💞
How did I literally live right around the corner from this and had no idea it happened? Just had the biggest shock when I heard the location!
Eleanor the true crime content you post helps me get through my super busy days at work while keeping me informed and entertained at the same time!
Posted just in time while I’m having breakfast 😩Thank you Eleanor 🥰🥰
I feel... So so bad for this man. I've been homeless quite a bit in my life. And I'm 2500.00 in debt. It's such a sick, gut twisting feeling. To have no money, and no home. I understand his desperation. I don't blame him for begging them to stay. It's was worth a shot for a few more nights of safety from the streets. How heart breaking. Trying to claw you're way out of a sinkhole and you're literally beaten back down.
My heart goes out for his family. They we're doing what they had to. You can't help someone who doesn't want it. However, they do not deserve this for trying to survive.
Horrifying.
For someone living in Melbourne (moved here from a Muslim country), drug dependency and addiction are soooo common!!! It is really sad seeing how drugs here affect generations. And the saddest part is that the Australian government offers no help or support, neglecting the fact that drug dependency is a real mental illness.
Especially if he was doing all those drugs everyday, i can only imagine how incredibly melted his brain was towards the end especially with the lsd. Drug dependency is such a huge problem and I feel like rehab should definitely be less expensive so more people can get help.
Such a great job delivering the case per usual!! Thanks for posting! You’re my favorite!
If you have reviews this bad then it's on Airbnb to remove these people from the app entirely. I feel like they're partially responsible for this.
The problem is that it's hard to prove things like that and there are guests who make things up when they're trying to scam hosts out of money. Security issues are investigated and dealt with, but there's only so much that can be done about bad reviews. Especially if people read them and still book.
Yes they are!!!! Terrible company
@@Balletified it depends on your local laws. In Colorado (where I'm from) and in Australia (where the case took place) squatters rights don't kick in for years.
I love the way you respect the victims and share their stories🥰
Id love to see you cover the list murders. The forensics in that case are incredible
Girl look at you, you look so good❤️ Edit: I also love how you share these tragic stories thank you for making these videos I didn’t know anything about this case
Thank you Eleanor 💖 For the case and for the care with which you tell these stories! ✨
Why were their sentences so low?
They beat a man to death for the lols. They should all be in jail for at least 20+years.
I watch a lot of different true crime channels and Eleanor is by far the BEST. I absolutely love how caring she is, it really shows.
honestly so sad about this case :(
rest in peace ramis, he didn’t deserve this at all
the short amount of sentences is unfair
I sometimes get upset when I listen to these stories, but that Jason guy has me enraged to the point where I would gladly make sure he gets what HE deserves.
Are their any requirements to be an Airbnb host? Or are there people who’s job it is to inspect how hosts run the place? Weird how they didn’t shut down considering the reviews.
Amen!
Let’s talk about how HEALTHY Eleanor looks!!! AND she’s posting videos with little to no make up on. Glow up sis!!! I love you, you cure my depression. ♥️♥️🤙🏼
I think she’s always looked healthy though 💕 as long as she’s happy and confident 💕💕
Did you watch the video, luv ?
@Nonaya Bidness I feel opposite I think she looks unwell her hair is flat and lifeless looking she seems to have lost way too much weight her face looks pale that's just my opinion I feel she looked better before this big weightloss thing
@Nonaya Bidness you just did weirdo.
@@irish2979 How would you feel if Eleanor actually read this comment? Her weight/loss is NOT something you need to openly discuss. Young girls and women grow up not feeling comfortable and confident in their own bodies with the unrealistic beauty standards that are set - let alone a troll on the internet thinking that they’re inclined to add in their two cents. Have some respect.
Thanks for always being so respectful!
I remember when this happened, my mum is Australian and is from Melbourne originally and she was saying there was a man killed in an air bnb and at the time I really didn’t care much bcus I was like 18 and too many people got murdered all over the world but hearing the full story now is actually bizarre and heartbreaking 💔
He should of just left!!! it does seem he was taking the mick, it was a business after all...why would he expect them to look after him? yeah he had nowhere to go but i would of got out of there and tried my hardest to find somewhere even if it meant sleeping on a bench, plenty of people do. seems strange and dont think we have the full story. anyway he didnt deserve what they did to him but it could of been avoided.
I 100% agree!
Although I feel absolutley horrible for him I totally agree. No one forced him to stay. I feel like the best thing he could have done was just took off while no one was there. You can always get more things but you only get one life and it is 100% not wrth losing it over a place. He would have been way safer on the street and Im sure he knew that. Idk why he put himself in such a terrible situation.
I agree, I think there was some reason he couldn't leave easily.
Please cover the case of Billie Jo Jenkins, it’s been 25 years and still no justice!!
I believe she already has
A lot of cases of Airbnb are why most people now just get a hotel,motel, holiday inn
That's so true . I couldn't sleep in some strangers house.
As much as I wish Airbnb would crash and burn after the crap they pulled in 2020, they're still thriving 😒
I once called the police because my upstairs neighbour was trying to throw his pregnant wife off the 3rd floor balcony. Police showed up took him away & knocked on my door to let me know that all was ok. Now the upstairs neighbours knew who had called because of the idiot police! Everyone in the block now knew as well. Bad husband was out again in just a few hours & I had to move out because of threats from said bad husband upstairs!!!
The police couldve fuckkn called you! I hate people who have access to phone but dont use it.. Especially in these sort of situation (i mean the police)... Even if the guy was sent to death sentence.. We wont know if anyone associted with him wanted revenge
Wow smh they should’ve knew better! I’m sorry that happened to you Miss Donna
@@bluminatii Aw bless ya sweet self.. Don't worry that was years ago but it did make me think that maybe it's not smart to get involved.. Shame that!
i havent watched your videos for a few months but omg! you look amazing and so happy you have been given the chance to get sponsorships x
7-13 years is not enough.
Get the money for the days he knew he was paying for, let him off with the days you told him he could have for free and don't let him stay any longer unless he can start paying for more nights.
I get that they didn't have to give him any free nights but they said they would so they can't exactly expect him to pay when he was told he wouldn't have to, if they changed their minds all they had to do was not let him stay for free any longer.
That’s so sad and disturbing the little amount of time they got for taking that man’s life. They all have full lives after they get out and will be more than capable of committing another heinous crime. They should never see the light of day again.
3 videos in a day all from my 3 favorite crime girlies.
❤️❤️ love ya Elanore!
i live in melbourne and had never even heard of this case! thanks for sharing, althought these cases are terrifying to think about, its crazy to know how these things happen everyday, everywhere.
my fav thumbnail on your channel specifically because you look insanely stunning naturally omg
this one hit different.
Mann elenor. I was literally scrolling through yt a min ago and this came up. Can’t wait to watch it. It’s always worth it. Thank you so much
Same 😃
Love you’re videos! Can’t wait starting now!
I could not click on this notification fast enough! Love you Eleanor!
It's been a while since I've watched one these videos and the weight loss is significant! Well done to you! Another great video too.
she doesn’t like comments to be made about her weight/appearance !
@@kk15838 Oh okay, I wasn’t aware. Apologies.
@@brosephmcbrosephson2626 im sorry if it came off as aggressive 😭😭 i was just trying to let u know, i meant it with all respect
@@kk15838 Yeah no offence taken, I read it as it was meant which was informative. Your point has been taken don't worry about it.
I'm only 11:55 in, so take this part of my comment with a grain of salt. Hearing the desperation of Ramis and him begging for just a little help, knowing that at the end of this video he will be dead, breaks my heart into so many small pieces. I'm almost afraid to continue to watch. This is by far one of the craziest cases I have heard in a long time! Wow!!!
thanks eleanor 💖 you’re such an inspiration and you bring to light the darkest parts of societies with you’re amazing storytelling 👏👏 sending love from the states
@Linda 🍒 Child porn charges are coming your way. I just turned your info in to the FEDS. ENJOY YOUR JAIL TIME
@@kimsmith819 its a bot