I am so thankful for your comment. I was listening while packing up for my kids Christmas recital/party then it is break and I knew I wouldn't be able to have enough emotional distance. I know some people don't understand Eleanor's trigger warnings because you are already on a true crime channel. I didn't really get it until I listened to a different channel and was not prepared for the descriptions of animals and children being hurt that particular way on that particular day in my life. I couldn't shake it. And that rubbed off on my primary job of being there for my own kiddos. So I will listen to this one at another time. I just love her to bits. I just wanted to say thank you for your comment and to Eleanor and her team for caring. It gives me faith in emotionally healthy people becoming the norm.
One of the worst things about that is that of course the school wouldn't go immediately looking for them once they disappeared, because it was the start of Christmas break. What a despicable act. I wish Simmons had been abused in prison all his life instead of just being executed and getting his wish.
Imagining the hope Sheila must have had when finally being able to tell the teachers and police what had happened to her, only to have it crushed as she was swept away to another state by her abuser is devastating :(
It is really infuriating that New Mexico cops just dropped the case and didn't even bother to inform Arkansas or the other states he took his family to.
It’s just so depressing that the moment Sheila found someone who loved her unconditionally and her life was finally happy it was so suddenly ripped from her. I hope she’s happy in heaven with her husband and kids. Rest in peace.
It gets me so mad that she was abused by the man who brought her into the world and abused by him and when she finally found peace and love she deserved her life was taken by the same man who abused her it makes me not only sick but really mad
When she mentioned Sheila was murdered as well, my heart broke even more. Abused her whole life, impregnated by her own father, only to die by him. Life can be so cruel, so unjust. Just, wow.
@@jogrob1590 You can't imagine what a life of abuse and isolation does to a person. She might have thought some things were even her fault or just normal.
When Eleanor said Ronald loved sheela and he couldn't bear to be away from her to such an obsessive level, I knew it wasn't genuine love at all. So disgusting, poor kid. Why do people like this exist ugh
IKR? Not only are people straight up garbageheads, but also extra trash by using good things for evil. Some days I wish I didn’t belong to this species.
Same except it’s THE MOST disturbing I’ve ever heard. I watch true crime non stop for probably 10 years now and this one is the one that got me and was hard to finish listening to. I literally can’t even sleep tonight. This one was just different.😞
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This could have been prevented, if only the police continued their investigation & inform the other department too. Sometimes it’s hard to only blame the person who committed the crime but the system is way more broken. She literally told them she was pregnant with her father’s child . Such a sad case
He would have killed all of the family just the same. Police knocking on the door, social services taking his daughter (they always ignore the other kids), wife finding out what he did, and all the neighbors staring at him. He would have shot and killed as many as he possibly could right then. It still would have saved plenty of lives, but this sick bastard would have still killed people.
@@YouRemindMeOfTheBabe. Hopefully he would have been thrown in prison. But sadly, society is very tolerant and forgiving of rapists. So he probably only would have gotten a few years in prison, if that
@@kimdracvla I love it when people get mad at the 1970s for not knowing as much about social issues, or having the same resources as we do and have in 2022. The FBI hadn't even compiled a national fingerprint database at the time; VICAP was rolled out in 1985. Police departments literally had no systems for communicating from town to town within a state, much less between states. The first federal (interstate) child protection act was passed in 1980, the year this man was sentenced to death. In 1975, the age of consent for marriage for a girl in Arkansas was 16. People didn't talk about abuse out in the open the way we do now, so there wasn't as much information about it as there is now. Furthermore, a man's home was considered to be his castle and police couldn't just ring up a warrant without knowing exactly what they were looking for. Social security numbers weren't required for children and they weren't used for every job or utility bill. It's easy to get angry at the world of the 1970s for not knowing everything we know today, but back then, it was surprisingly easy to escape to another state and start over with a different name.
One thing I either didn't catch or wasn't mentioned,how did Sheila give birth to a baby without ANYONE asking about the father? Like the mother? Her siblings? Did no one even care???
I’m pretty sure his other children were just scared of him and Sheila was. The mother failed to protect your children as well, but I’m pretty sure she was a victim of his abuse the whole time herself. It has a psychological effect on people that most don’t understand unless they go through it
Apart of me wants to believe that she didn't and was busy with all the other kids since she had a large family. As a mother knowing that type of horror is happening to a child at the hands of your husband that fathered her is sickening
Sexual assaults by family was so common back then because no one took the victims seriously. The mom 💯 knew, but she most likely was abused herself. Still sickening. My mom and aunts were all raped by my grandmother husband. I didn't find out until my mom was literally on her death bed, I never spoke to my grandma or grandfather again. My grandma was lazy and she didn't care about anyone except herself. As long as she didn't have to get off her ass to earn money she didn't care what happened. I believe he sexually assaulted one of my uncles also, but I have no proof.
So then why did she go back for Christmas to play one big happy family? In fact why did any of the children who got out went back? I would have cut all contact as soon as possible and alert the police. Even worse, why were they okay with their own children being around this ab.ser? Why would Sheila bring back her children to her ab.ser? I just can't understand it.
I love how you don't try to scare people. You're just here to spread information, you try to do cases people might not know about to bring awareness to smaller cases, you don't add scary music or try to make it dramatic, you're very respectful, you give warnings for the people who need them and you genuinely want opinions and input from your viewers.
I love Eleanor with my whole heart I love how she tells the cases and everything I've been watching her for so long and I get so excited when she posts
Remember back in the day when they would tie up criminals in the middle of the town square with the sun scorching hot, birds flying around waiting. Yah they need to bring that back specifically for evil like he was. Js🤷🏾♀️
right cause she had to be obviously pregnant at one point and if they really didn't know she was pregnant wouldn't they question her about why she suddenly has a baby? this just doesn't add up tbh
Obviously the other young children aren't really going to understand, but the other adult in that situation? There's no way she didn't know. Horrible shitty parent.
What’s even more sad is how Sheila finally found someone that actually loves her so much and someone to heal with, only to die by her father not even a long time after🙁
@@JennifuhhGilardi Unfortunately, that's not the case in real life. Literally a pregnant girl is hardly something people will look into, but would rather make assumptions that she's "messing around" with boys. It's sick, but society would rather see a girl sleeping around than being abused and turn a blind eye to possible dangerous situations.
@@JennifuhhGilardi yeah i know. i wasnt saying that i was excusing others behavior because they assume things, i was saying that people would assume that she was “knocked up” because of the time setting this case was in and the fact that social service’s showed no effort in helping her even though they knew the real reason she was pregnant. which meant that people could just assume things without knowing the truth because it was never really out there
He probably just played only the grandfather, like Josef Fritzl did. She probably thought it was a boy at school who fathered the baby. I like to like she cannot have known at all but......
Especially once it was known that Shelia was pregnant and the husband was being looked into.. How on earth could all of that be going on and nobody notices.. Especially the wife.. Idk, I was heavily abused as a kid and they all said that "We had no idea!" When I knew that I had said something multiple times to multiple family members. They don't want to know and will ignore anything that's inconvenient and it's the absolute worse family situation to be trapped in.
I can’t believe that not only did they all still speak to him, but they all brought their own children over for christmas??! I know family situations aren’t always that simple but jesus christ
@@ajknight8640 I mean to them, this kind of life was normal. They were probably desensitized to it at this point, and just thought “another day with dad” or something. Quite saf
@@girlie_ch33se20 this. I grew up in a family with a lot of sexual abuse. When no one believes you, and your parents don’t acknowledge everything, you go numb to it, or take it as reality so you don’t lose your mind. It’s just a thing that you try to forget so you can carry on day to day.
So he’s this evil monster, he ruined his own life and then gets mad that his kids are moving on and away from his evilness… and he decides to take his evilness out on everyone. Gosh. He’s so evil.
The fact that he not only got to be executed, but his execution was probably the most painless ways of execution is so crazy to me. He got exactly what he wanted…
when she mentioned that he was obsessed with his daughter i was PRAYING that it was gonna be a heartbreaking case of "and then this daughter, that he loved so dearly in a very innocent way, died, and it changed something inside of him - and that's what set him on the path to being a terrible person"
Life gets hopeless for everyone, but the rest of us don't sexually abuse and murder a bunch of people..not to mention that psycho caused all his own problems. So disgusting! Ugh.
No one made that excuse so I don't know why you're saying that. Its not that hard to understand that people do things because its makes them feel good. Simple as that.Having knowledge doesn't mean you're excusing. If you knew someone cheated in a game b/c they were smaller than the others doesn't mean you're defending them. Its simply knowing. Nothing wrong with understanding someone's head space. If we continue thinking like you we would have professionals who use understanding criminal minds to predict their Motivation, their type, and their next move. Its a therapist job to take in psychological knowledge.
This happened here in Arkansas. It was heartbreaking what he did to his family over the years and the culminating massacre over Christmas. His children and his grand children. The house since then has been burnt down and the ground raised and sprinkled with salt.
No dumb voice, clearly passionate about her work, doesn’t do makeup while it’s on and got me looking gay when watching her. During the first lockdown I found her and binged everything
This whole story just had me pausing whenever a new horror occured. Abused his daughter for yrs and she ended up pregnant with his child a.d upon reporting the police know and don't follow him next state when he moves. Shocking and disappointed. The fact that he just had a light bulb moment and murdered his whole family is just chilling. The poor kids. Gosh. And then the dip in the cesspit It just never slows down. 😮😮
Who even lets an abused child go back home to their abuser at all? If they need to get stuff they should be accompanied by police not sent home with more than enough time for the abuser to take the child THE NEXT FRIGGING MORNING and run away to another state.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
They didn’t have any evidence that’s why they had to pull an investigation and not really take any actions including not letting the child go home but still the police really should of prepared for these kind of things and *what the hell* why didn’t they report to the Arkansas police force!?
You would be shocked to know how often children are returned to their abusers. People argue that it's better to "keep the families together". And worse, children are more often than not given to new abusers in foster care. It's so messed up.
BTW, Eleanor I just heard about a serial killer called the doodlerer who would draw his victims before he killed them and it is such an interesting case that no one has really talked about.
furthermore, the doodler targeted gay people at gay bars bc it was the 70s and the survivors were afraid to come forward and testify... so the murderer was never caught, heartbreaking stuff
@@bethbooth6469 yeah this name is kinda silly but at least it reflects what's his MO is. better than the vague sounding scary name like "Beast of (enter city name)" or something... since he hasn't been caught, how else are we supposed to identify him other than by the MO
i’ve watched another youtubers story over this case and i’m so glad i watched yours, bc they made it seem like Sheila was in a relationship with him consensually like dating not molestation.
As a non American, the fact that he managed to go swimming in literal human waste, not shower, waltz in to a Walmart and then buy a gun.. is beyond my comprehension.
Would you want to try to talk a man who is covered in human waste to leave a store and risk him touching you or trying to fight you? Would you want that human waste on you? No? Okay then.
Strangulation is a more "intimate" way of killing, and knowing how he was with little girls I am not surprised her strangled her. It was a form of sexual assault that didn't involve sex.
That is true about strangulation, but 8 think he may have had another reason, just because he strangled ALL the children and he shot all the adults, even Sheila, his "favorite". Maybe he was saving ammunition. Who knows? Just speculation, of course.
Ohhh, good thinking.. totally a more intimate experience 4 his sicko a$$... the psychological part of why/how these sorry excuses of humans do what they do is a trip in it self. Nevertheless, I agree w you
Not sure about the sexual part. But what does get me is that he chose to strangle the kids over shooting them. As of that were the nicer way for them to go or something? That’s even worse it takes at least three minutes to actually strangle someone to death be a quick gunshot! Poor kids this is so unbelievably awful!
There's always a part of these cases that really stick in my memory. For this case, it will certainly be the fact that he threw his eldest sons body in a cesspool and then went back days later and dug through YEARS of human feces to retrieve his sons car keys so he could steal his car too. Absolutely wild.
The thing that kills me is that if the cops had done more due diligence when Sheila was like “help me I’m abused and pregnant” this might not have gone so far.
I’m curious what could be wrong with the wife/mother. If her daughter was being sexually abused for that long, there are signs. I know and I’m not going into why. But the mother had to be ignoring those signs and then to agree to be up and moved, isolated from the world? There was something wrong with her too. She failed to protect those kids.
It's simple - she chose a man over her kids. A lot of parents, especially mothers, do it. They stand aside and let child abuse happen because they love the other parent/partner so much. It's disgusting.
Not only that but she didn’t leave when she found out her daughter was pregnant with her husbands son she left when she was being abused. She didn’t care for those kids. I don’t believe she came back to protect them at all.
Hillbillies don't claim pieces of shit like him. He came to the hills, he wasn't from them. I love your style of story telling and will always watch what you put out!
Amen. As someone who literally grew up 7 miles from where this happened my mom and dad knew him from the gas station he worked at. There is a lot more info on this. Just have to talk to us hill folk.
Of all of the true crime videos i've seen, this is the most sickening and tragic story I have ever heard. The excitement those children must have been feeling as they waited in line to get their "surprise" is so heartbreaking to listen to. It makes you feel like a ghost, trying to scream at them to run but you can't do anything. Such a horrible sick man and i feel so sorry for all of the victims, oh my gosh.
And tbh, it was shocking hearing they were excited knowing he was abusing their mother. When domestic violence happens, its shocks you as a kid, you fear home. But amyway.
I grew up a preacher’s kid and we traveled around “evangelizing” when I was a kid. We were holding a revival in a nearby town to this after this happened ( I couldn’t have been older than 4 or 5) and some of the church members decided to take us on a tour of the crime scene. It traumatized me. I remember going up a hill and getting out and the house had been demolished. I remember seeing an old car with the trunk open, and a little wooden playhouse looking thing…we went over and looked into the empty graves and I remember picking up spent ammunition shells. I will never forget this as long as I live. I was little but I could just feel the evil and just horribly depressing feeling. I remember feeling scared. My older brother and sister remember a lot more than I do but we all still, to this day, talk about how traumatizing it was to see those graves and we all wonder…what were our parents thinking taking us out there when we were just kids and talking about this stuff in front of us? I can still feel the eerie feeling I had that day and I’m 35 years old now. Such a horrible tragedy.
The mom definitely knew about the abuse Shelia was going through. She probably knew from the start he was going to be like this and didn’t tell anybody bc she was scared- that was why the abuse went on to her as soon as he got reported for Shelia. Someone in the house knew, even if it wasn’t the mom, someone knew and didn’t say anything. Also, I think a lot more neighbours knew bc if a neighbour was able to spot him kissing his daughter in public, a lot of other people definitely knew. That was probably also why they came for Christmas, if I was the child I would get far far away from him. Edit: people were definitely right about him. I think the reason why he put the bodies in the cesspit wasn’t only bc to hide the bodies, but maybe to hold some power against them.
If I was apart of the jury that decided his penalty, I absolutely would not have given him the death penalty. He deserves to rot in jail alone. He's a horrible human being who didn't deserve the easy way out of the mess he made.
Jail is the easy way, and it gives no justice to the victims or their families. Prison isn't like a castle dungeon with stale bread and water. Some "lifers" are living pretty cushy lives at the expense of the taxpayer. Also, the judge does the sentencing.
@@jesussaves6625 Thank you for explaining that but I do still believe, over all, the death penalty is one of the easy ways out. It sucks that some people get to live cushy lives, but that's not always the case I've heard. I know some prisons in America absolutely suck.
@@sketchingingreen Thank you for such a respectful answer. I understand, of course that some people will have a different opinion than me, and that's ok.
my grandma got me interested in true crime, she loved everything like that. I used to watch your videos and tell her about them and she’d find documentaries on them so we could talk about it. She died back in april and every time i watch a video of yours i get comfort knowing im enjoying something she did
I wanna know what his wife had to say about Sheila getting pregnant when the kids were never allowed to leave the house besides school. And what she thought about Robert frantically moving them out of state one day. She had to have known about the abuse
Wait did the wife not notice her kid growing? What did she say when her daugher popped out a kid? There are 8 kids?! How did NOT ONE notice?! It’s like the dugger family
My exact thoughts! I can understand he may have been good at hiding the abuse and Sheila was too scared to speak but…. Why did nobody question where her baby came from ???
My guess is that the daughter (under direction of the dad) covered it up by lying and saying that some kid her age knocked her up and ran off. But I do think its weird he was able to hide the abuse from the mom for so long
Omg this case, I think it’s the worst familicide case I’ve ever stumbled across. Just the level of abuse before the murders and how thought out they all were. The fact that he had multiple times to realize how vile his actions were but chose to continue the murders. It’s just so sad. Especially Sheila, she really deserved a happy long full life but it was stolen from her. Such a tragic case
A lot of movies try to portray serial killers as these cool, intelligent and in control individuals to try and make them more scray. If you fear that just remember this is one of the worst spree killers in US history and he had to jump into a pile of sh*t just to drive a car, there isn't anything more pathetic than him wading in their too find the keys.
The thing is a lot of normal people unfortunately have to buy into that "highly intelligent criminally insane" drivel because the truth is something a lot harder for us to accept. Killing is not a difficult act, of course I don't mean this morally, but that the act of taking another's life when decided upon is shockingly simple, so much so that even the lowest of the low of society can muster the ability to do so, its unnerving to think that a life that has produced so much and been so valued by the people affected by it can be snuffed out at a moments notice by anyone at all with enough dumb luck, but even more than that, it speaks to a much darker side of human nature in all of us that murder seems to be the one act that almost anyone, regardless of age, health, or experience (to a degree ofc) can carry out. And I don't blame them honestly, its just as scary for me to think about how capable me and the people around me are of something so horrendous.
@@henrydikes6704 I agree, life in general is so fragile. I'm in med school and we are required to visit the hospital a few times each month, and the patient histories I've seen have included people who are living with part of their skulls missing, and also about people who died of an infected wound. It's so terrifying how killing seems to come so easy to serial killers after they've done it once. As if it's nothing but an everyday chore to them. Almost never are killers these intelligent, calculating individuals with a clear motive; they're more often than not either a psychopath who had a taste for murder as a kid by killing small animals or someone who was traumatised to the point of frantic violence upon being triggered. Neither of them calculate much of how the investigation might proceed, and do just the most frantic and panicked cleanups after their crime. It makes them that much scarier
This is heartbreaking, it’s the most disgusting, disturbing case I’ve heard since the Junko foruta case. I hope the family and all of his victims are happy in heaven 💔
Honestly, this case is a good example of why the death penalty isn’t even effective. Like, in addition to the questionable morality of letting the government kill people and also the fact that sometimes the wrong person is killed, it’s an easy way out for absolute monsters like this guy. He should have suffered in prison for the rest of his crusty miserable life, and the fact that he didn’t is infuriating. I hope all his victims are at rest and that that disgusting man burns in hell.
Hmm I wouldn't say it's an easy out whatsoever. Pit yourself in the position- would you find it easy? Spending 20 years or more on death row which is complete isolation, the psychological torture of knowing that your execution date can be announced any time and that you're going to experience an extremely painful death via either electric chair or lethal injection, is absolutely horrifying. I'm against the death penalty foe the simple reason that there's no taking it back if its discovered the wrong person was killed. Then there's the morality issue of killing someone and someone having to be responsible for pushing that button making them a murderer also. It's also playing God. Its proven that it does literally nothing to influence criminals against committing their crimes, absolutely nothing. Also, it's a fallacy that it's cheaper to execute rather than house a prisoner for life. It actually costs far more to execute. The truth of the matter is that its an industry generating billions of dollars. Consider how many appeals, how many lawyers on both sides that need paying - from taxpayer money, judges, the entire court system staff involved in the ridiculously lengthy appeals process that starts the minute someone is sentenced to death. It's a very dark, disgusting industry that has been sold to us as justice for wrongdoings but the system was designed by the elites and it favours the elites. It's only the poor people who ever get sentenced to death because they are the ones who can't afford to hire a crack lawyer to get them off their charges. These people deserve severe puunishment but two wrongs don't make a⁴ right. Awful, backwards, and thoroughly hypocritical practice that has no pluses whatsoever. Although, I myself find myself wishing great harm and torture on people who hurt children. But the reality is I don't believe I could carry it out myself and its just the hatred for the perpetrator coming out. They need to be locked up and treated with humanity despite them not affording others the same respect. Our Heavenly Father is the one who should be judging whether someone lives or dies and I'm happy to allow Him to do that, I don't want that responsibility.
My only gripe with the death penalty is that innocent people could be accidentally put to death. It's far and few between but even the cases we know about are too many and there's always work to be done to make sure we reduce or completely get rid of mistakes like that. I'm for the death penalty because some crimes are too digusting to even let the person live. And if they do end up in a life sentance, we the people have to cough up the money to house and feed these people. It's a strain on the economy for someone everyone else would rather see gone.
a lot of "life sentences" i hear about have a minimum amount of time in prison before the people are allowed parole. The fact that the prisons can let out the murderers if they are "well behaved" is terrifying to me. I still might not understand everything properly though please educate me if it doesn't quite work this way.
I love how she narrates. I'd wish for a podcast but I love seeing her reactions cuz it adds to her telling of the story. Great job.. is there a patreon?💚
i dont know why but this case is probably the only one that ive heard that’s genuinely made me feel weak, true crime cases tend to make me sad/upset but this one really stuck with me for some reason. the way that he abused his family and then still acted like they were the problem and deserved to die for it? and his kid’s BABIES too? it’s horrible
This is one of only a few cases I’ve come across that have actually made me physically ILL. I don’t understand how a human being could do all the things that this piece of human WASTE did. It’s MIND BLOWING to me.
Same! It’s by far the worst case I’ve ever heard of. I’ve watched true crime for atleast 10 years and this was the only one that was truly hard to finish. I can’t even sleep right now. Holding my baby girl extra tight tonight that’s forsure. I don’t understand how people can hurt children.😞
This absolutely breaks my heart for sheela. Why the actual hell did child services not immediately remove sheela and ALL of the other children?????? Child services be taking kids over marijuana in the home yetttttttttt with cases like these and Gabriel Fernandez they KNOW what is going on and don’t take the children?? Their is no “child protective services” if they’re not protecting children like these. Absolutely ridiculous. Infuriates me more than just about anything.
I like that you seem genuinely interested in these cases. You explain things and you try to make things understood by your viewers (motivations and reasoning mostly).
And she left at one point and didn’t bother to take all her kids with her. Like..If you feared for your life, take your children and grandchildren with you as well.
Am I home alone and going to absolutely poop my pants watching this? Yes. Am I going to watch it any way? Absolutely. Loving the consistency Eleanor. Thank you for making December extra special. Your videos really help me to stop overthinking whilst I’m lay in bed at night. You are a treasure x
I am watching at home alone, during the ad break I thought I heard someone behind me. Immediately bellowed in terror and scared the hell,l out of my poor pet bird. I"ve just managed to soothe him enough to go back on my shoulder and now I feel mean and silly.
I can believe that no one outside of the family knew about Sheila but the family knew. Especially the mother. She failed every single one of her children.
i always say to myself “i’ll never understand how someone can do something so evil”… i have to remind myself that maybe it’s not for me to understand because i’m not the kind of person to do it
As someone who works in a jail, I can say you are definitely right. Sometimes it's impossible to understand how these people think, and other times you just don't want to, because their crimes are so heinous. Of course we get people who you can understand, normal people who make dumb choices, but with the murderers, rapists, child molesters, you just gotta try to not think about their crime
I love the way she tells the stories,she keeps me drawn in. Some people aren’t good at explaining and telling stories,but she is very good and keeps you drawn in and interested! I love her she got me into true crime and the first one I started watching♥️♥️♥️
As soon as I read "Hillbilly" in the title, sadly I knew immediately that incest would play a huge roll in this story. Sickening, absolutely sickening. I haven't got to the end of this story yet but I really hope to hear that when he was put in jail/prison the other inmates beat the crap out of him every single day. I would like to think that's how his future played out. One can only hope I guess... Side note: I feel really bad for the medical examiners (and possible interns...?) in this case. Those poor people had to endure such a horrific smell and had to clean that disgusting mans piss and $hit off of those poor victims before they could even begin to do their jobs. They probably still had the stench stuck in their noses as they testified during the trial.
@jennifer prince this man wasn't a "hillbilly" he was from Northern USA. He had never been to the south until he wanted to hide away and not be caught. Unfortunately, a lot of deranged criminals do this to lay low in the mountains and small towns. Where there's not much crime that goes on and their under the radar of po.ice and other people noticing any of their crimes.
this is a very sad story, my God. 14 lives, literally a whole entire family started and ended at the hands of this one man. it’s even sadder that sheela’s life was going so so good once she was out of her fathers sight… i’m feel for her husband
I can’t stand when I hear about these people who first contemplate killing themselves but instead kill other people. It may sound cruel and cold, but it’d be better if they just offed himself and saved 16 people. Ugh.
yeah, like not encouraging suicide in any scenario but the ideal thing would be to just admit yourself into an institution. murdering everyone in your life shouldn't even be an option but if it is it's definitely the last thing you'd wanna go with.
not often does a case disturb me like this. I often go searching for the most twisted and disturbing cases just from morbid curiosity, but this is just... truly horrific. the fact that his disposal of the bodies into and continual use of the cesspool whilst his family were rotting inside is just... indescribable in its sickness. I can't imagine how twisted you'd have to be to do that. absolutely horrifying.
All those poor babies. Those poor kids and grandkids. His poor wife. I just ... as a mum at an age where I'll likely be a grandparent in the next 7 years ... this is unimaginable. Great vid from you. xxx
wow, police really failed this family. i have no words. there’s so many things to touch on, but in summary, this man is truly sick. i can’t even put into words how terrible this is. it sounds horrific just hearing what happened, i can’t imagine how it felt for the victims. every single thing that occurred, especially for the daughter, is unbelievably terrifying. i can’t believe people like Ronald exist. How??
I just love how she presents these cases, she gives you so much Intel and gives warnings so that way you don't hear something you don't want to, like me personally I don't like child killers or child rapist ones, they just make me lose all hope in humanity. But I'm glad she warns us so I can click out. Thank you!!
I've honestly been binge watching Eleanor's videos and the way she explains them are really good. When I watch other people's videos I don't really understand what they mean and that but with Eleanor I do. ❤
I took a break from true crime videos, but I’m back now and am so happy to watch Eleanor again!!! also can I just say how much I love your makeup look? it totally suits you!!
I wonder weather Ronald's wife was aware of the reason they even moved and crossed the borders in the first place.. surely with a police investigation and the school being informed she must of been aware about Shelia's abuse at the hands of Ronald
@@JB-nr7iy I hate when people put their spouses before their kids. Maybe it was how I was raised, but if my kids were being hurt by anyone, their ass is grass, kids are your life. Those are the beings that you need to protect no matter what.
@@Mariflower562 exactly! I refuse to believe that this was going on her WHOLE childhood and no one caught on... I mean maybe that could of worked when they lived in a house with walls but when they lived in a fucking mobile home? something is definitely sus
Had to bow out. Christmas break starts for our kiddos in a few hours. I need a more cheerful mind set. Thanks for the warnings. ❤️ I'll be back when I am in a different mental place. My best to you Eleanor and your team. 🎄
Cases like this is when I wonder if some exceptions should be made for, “cruel and unusual punishment”. If he’s terrified to sit in jail for the rest of his life then that’s EXACTLY what should happen at the very least. Really annoying that in the end, things still went his way!
You are so great at explaining these story’s in a respectful manor and I respect that so much. you go girl! I’ve been watching you for so long and it just keeps getting better 💚
I've heard about Ronald Simmons before and this guy is just a sick and twisted creep after what he did to his whole family and also the people at the bank as well. Also the fact that they decided to put a headstone on his grave due to him being Veteran and serving in the Army and Navy is just ridiculous. They don't seem to care that innocent children were murdered by him.
I never understood how Americans have some much respect for people in the army, treating them as gods without even knowing what they’re really like. There’s a lot of people in the army that are just really bad people and not even mentioning that these people aren’t really fighting for anyone’s freedom.
@@CrustyB1 I grew up in america and I never really understood it either. Firefighters/doctors also serve our country by keeping everyone safe, yet there’s no holiday or special discounts for them is there
The amount of research that you’ve put into these cases are amazing. Thank you so much Eleanor! But also Rest In Peace for the poor victims that lost their lives from this indescribably disgusting, horrible monster
I’m genuinely surprised all the kids turned up for Christmas. If I’m any of Simmons’ kids, I’m not going to my weird dad’s ramshackle house for Christmas, especially after everything he did to me while I lived with him.
You are literally amazing for these consistent uploads!!! So many life and world stresses right now and you give so many of us that much needed escape. We LOVE YOU 🤍
So like, poor Sheila had this baby with her father and the rest of the family just didn't blink an eye? Or was she forced to lie and say she got pregnant by someone in school?
The whole family knew and lived in fear of Ronald. The first CPS investigation that made Ronald pack up the family happened because of the oldest son telling cops about his father impregnating his sister and Sheila's friends also told police, after she had confided in them who the father was. Ronald also cut all contact with his wife's family when Sheila became pregnant. He intercepted all of his wife's mail and stood over her shoulder during all phone calls. His control was TOTAL.
@@Heliophobic Thanks for this information, that really answers a lot of the questions I had about that whole dynamic. Is there a certain place you learned about that? I'm curious because I still have some questions about this case that I'd love to have answered
@@AngelDeed I'm wondering that too, definitely. I can't imagine why you'd ever come to visit after finally getting out of a place like that? Maybe to keep an eye on the siblings that were still there? But even so, I'd just think there were other options. Someone in my life has a very toxic mother (not straight out abusive but extremely toxic and manipulative), and as adults him and his siblings try to have as little to do with their mother as possible. They all moved out as soon as they turned 18, some even sooner, and they stay far away from all of it. Unfortunately one of their siblings is still stuck with her so they try to keep in touch with that sibling as much as they can - that sibling is over 18 now too, but their mother has brainwashed them into being completely under her control so they won't move out. She's pretty much convinced this sibling that everyone else is a toxic liar and she's the only one they can trust - it's really awful to see how much damage a bad parent can do to a person. I just really wonder why they kept going back. Especially his daughter, because you'd think that if your father raped you, you wouldn't want him anywhere near your own children. (I'm not by any means victim blaming here, not even remotely, I'm just curious about it. It's hard to imagine, but it's not exactly something I can judge since I didn't experience my childhood the same way they did thankfully)
I’ve always loved True Crime and this was the first book that I read. This guy was truly sick. Your stories are great, but it’s like movies & books- the book tells so much more…as if you need to hear anymore of this craziness. I don’t remember this/him being called the hillbilly killer, but it’s been a few years since I read the story. Thanks for another great story!
sheila had been groomed from the moment she was born. she obviously realised that what he did was wrong and she was traumatised from it, but it’s her father who raised her and her siblings. she probably felt guilty if she wanted to cut him off, maybe she didn’t want to be asked questions about why she wanted to cut him off. besides social services didn’t do their job. that probably made the kids feel like they weren’t being abused, or that their problems weren’t important.
Way to victim blame a child….sometimes it just happens, open your mind up a little more. Definitely a trauma bond, and a strong one at that since it was her own FATHER.
@@josukeshair8891 my mind is open and I'm speaking from knowing abuse in dear friends and family. Number rule is always you get out you stay out. I am aware that people are programed to believe that this is love and its okay buy there is always a piece deap down that knows its wrong and if you are fortunate to make it out you try your hardest to stay out. Please don't think I make light of the situation or someone's trauma but there is a time in life you have to say Fuck my family. The only reason to return would be to get the younger kids out. You ever look at documentaries on people going to break their families out of cults or other deadly living situations those people were once in the same situation with the same beliefs but they got out and they realized how abusive and controlled their childhoods were and their main goal in life is to go back and get their younger siblings out never to return.
I am normally against the death penalty, but this one ALMOST got me. But because he wanted it, because he SMILED when it was given...he didn't deserve it for a totally different reason than I usually give.
@@mya2marie It's definitely one of those personal topics and with personal morals. I don't think it's ever right to take someone's right to life away from them, even if they've taken that right away from someone else. I think it's better to be above that and that it's better to extend mercy even to those we may not think deserve it. I'm also a major supporter of rehabilitation over punishment, so the permanence of death is a big issue as well. On a less eloquent note, it also makes me feel icky inside.
@@sayakamaizono8216 I had to run and look it up real quick, but there is a principle called Blackstone's ratio that says that it is better to let ten guilty people go free than to condemn one innocent person to death. That is one of the big reasons I'm against it. The fact that we have people on death row right now who are innocent (it's statistically unlikely that ALL of them are guilty) is a freaky thought. At least there are in some states as I live in America and thankfully, my state doesn't have capital punishment. Unfortunately, the country at the federal level does. Did a look and we went ten years without federally executing anyone, but broke the streak in 2020. Sorry for the rambles, I don't get out much.
usually i’m mainly fascinated by true crime cases and whilst it’s always so heartbreaking all i felt through this one was anger, it’s sad such disgusting people can just get away with things and it’s confusing how someone can even have that thought process to hurt your family the way he did or hurt anyone especially children
This case is HUGE in Russellville and Pine Bluff, where Simmons lived. I only live an hour away, but I've heard stories from the funeral directors around here at how heartbreaking it was to care of the deceased.
It seriously takes me so long to actually finish a video, because I’ve associated Eleanors voice with relaxation and it makes me fall asleep EVERY SINGLE TIME. You are literally the reason I fall asleep every night I swear 😂😂 thanks babe
I live in Arkansas, and this case is the most single handedly terrifying I’ve heard out of the ones that’s happened here. There hasn’t been a lot that’s happened, but this is one of the most terrible I’ve been told about. On the other hand, there’s another case that’s happened in my city called ‘The Boys on the Tracks’. If you’re interested, it’s been unsolved for 34 years.
I live in arkansas too, and its scary to think something like this happened in the place ive always lived and near where my family has always been located, the thought that someone in my family may have known him and thought he was normal is scary to me
I'm from Arkansas too & it's seriously right up there in terms of sheer evil. I have friends that grew up in Pope County, knew the family & the other victims. Also the boys on the tracks have always stuck with me as I'm their age!
The amount of time it must take to prepare before making these videos for us… All the research and details. I can’t say enough how much we appreciate you.
Just think if the woman he married had just put something unpleasant in his Tea this could have been sorted much earlier. The entire family would be alive. No way she did not know.
Ugh, hearing about how those kids ran excitedly home from school for Christmas vacation only to be killed by this monster absolutely breaks my heart
I am so thankful for your comment. I was listening while packing up for my kids Christmas recital/party then it is break and I knew I wouldn't be able to have enough emotional distance. I know some people don't understand Eleanor's trigger warnings because you are already on a true crime channel. I didn't really get it until I listened to a different channel and was not prepared for the descriptions of animals and children being hurt that particular way on that particular day in my life. I couldn't shake it. And that rubbed off on my primary job of being there for my own kiddos.
So I will listen to this one at another time. I just love her to bits. I just wanted to say thank you for your comment and to Eleanor and her team for caring. It gives me faith in emotionally healthy people becoming the norm.
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@Moon Child I feel the same way. Stories like this just genuinely disturb and unnerv me. Makes me go give my kids a hug. 😢
One of the worst things about that is that of course the school wouldn't go immediately looking for them once they disappeared, because it was the start of Christmas break. What a despicable act. I wish Simmons had been abused in prison all his life instead of just being executed and getting his wish.
I had to stop listening at this point.. this crushes me. How evil.
Imagining the hope Sheila must have had when finally being able to tell the teachers and police what had happened to her, only to have it crushed as she was swept away to another state by her abuser is devastating :(
I know, the black despair she must have felt when they arrived at that plot of land and she just knew no one else would be around to help her.
It is really infuriating that New Mexico cops just dropped the case and didn't even bother to inform Arkansas or the other states he took his family to.
@@Neku628 the police almost everywhere are truly horrible at handling/following up on sexual abuse cases. I hate it
I live in the Deep South in 🇺🇸. This is terrible tragedy!😥😥 I’ve never heard of it. There are so many kind people who live here.
Like why did they even let her go home?????? They should have just went straight to pick up Ronald
It’s just so depressing that the moment Sheila found someone who loved her unconditionally and her life was finally happy it was so suddenly ripped from her. I hope she’s happy in heaven with her husband and kids. Rest in peace.
True, I hope they can find that love again in the afterlife.
It gets me so mad that she was abused by the man who brought her into the world and abused by him and when she finally found peace and love she deserved her life was taken by the same man who abused her it makes me not only sick but really mad
@@floofdoodle4349 Rightfully and justifiably so. Ronald is quite a selfish dude ngl.
When she mentioned Sheila was murdered as well, my heart broke even more. Abused her whole life, impregnated by her own father, only to die by him. Life can be so cruel, so unjust. Just, wow.
ik :( at least she managed to live a short but loving life with her husband and children
Why did she even visit him in the first place
@@jogrob1590 You can't imagine what a life of abuse and isolation does to a person. She might have thought some things were even her fault or just normal.
I know right he just hated to see her doing well
@@jogrob1590 it was a family gathering and only one guy that she disliked. Plus it was the holidays
When Eleanor said Ronald loved sheela and he couldn't bear to be away from her to such an obsessive level, I knew it wasn't genuine love at all. So disgusting, poor kid. Why do people like this exist ugh
Knew it then as well.
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How come the wife never reported him? 😢 I know we will never understand what was happening mentally or physically in that house but idek
I got that vibe too instantly
IKR? Not only are people straight up garbageheads, but also extra trash by using good things for evil. Some days I wish I didn’t belong to this species.
this is one of the most horrific cases i've ever heard. my god. rip to his victims. what a disgusting excuse of a human he was.
Same except it’s THE MOST disturbing I’ve ever heard. I watch true crime non stop for probably 10 years now and this one is the one that got me and was hard to finish listening to. I literally can’t even sleep tonight. This one was just different.😞
Human?? I think the Proper term is animal
Wooow I haven't heard from you im from SA Cape town I always look out for your report about crime I really enjoyed watching it pls come back I keep on looking out for you ....but can't find u ...love your videos and you report a bout crimes from Sylvia zikali
@@nazzyvillain7657Pompous prickous?
This could have been prevented, if only the police continued their investigation & inform the other department too. Sometimes it’s hard to only blame the person who committed the crime but the system is way more broken. She literally told them she was pregnant with her father’s child . Such a sad case
Agreed. It breaks my heart for them especially Sheila. I don't even want to know how much more trauma she enured because of that devil spawn.
So much Trish you speak
@@skep5663 Agreed. They should be somewhat held liable. They could have prevented so many deaths but bc of someone’s laziness they dropped the case.
He would have killed all of the family just the same. Police knocking on the door, social services taking his daughter (they always ignore the other kids), wife finding out what he did, and all the neighbors staring at him. He would have shot and killed as many as he possibly could right then. It still would have saved plenty of lives, but this sick bastard would have still killed people.
@@YouRemindMeOfTheBabe. Hopefully he would have been thrown in prison. But sadly, society is very tolerant and forgiving of rapists. So he probably only would have gotten a few years in prison, if that
This would have been prevented if social services took Sheila's case seriously from the beginning.
@Alice Rivierre why are you so pressed they were literally agreeing 😭
They never do the right thing…
social services never helps anyone. they could care less
@@kimdracvla i think a few good people in there do care but the system is so overwhelmed that a lot of kids still end up in bad situations.
@@kimdracvla I love it when people get mad at the 1970s for not knowing as much about social issues, or having the same resources as we do and have in 2022. The FBI hadn't even compiled a national fingerprint database at the time; VICAP was rolled out in 1985. Police departments literally had no systems for communicating from town to town within a state, much less between states. The first federal (interstate) child protection act was passed in 1980, the year this man was sentenced to death. In 1975, the age of consent for marriage for a girl in Arkansas was 16. People didn't talk about abuse out in the open the way we do now, so there wasn't as much information about it as there is now. Furthermore, a man's home was considered to be his castle and police couldn't just ring up a warrant without knowing exactly what they were looking for. Social security numbers weren't required for children and they weren't used for every job or utility bill. It's easy to get angry at the world of the 1970s for not knowing everything we know today, but back then, it was surprisingly easy to escape to another state and start over with a different name.
One thing I either didn't catch or wasn't mentioned,how did Sheila give birth to a baby without ANYONE asking about the father? Like the mother? Her siblings? Did no one even care???
They knew she was impregnated by him. Her mother knew. The siblings knew. They all knew. They were too scared of him to do anything about it.
I’m pretty sure his other children were just scared of him and Sheila was.
The mother failed to protect your children as well, but I’m pretty sure she was a victim of his abuse the whole time herself.
It has a psychological effect on people that most don’t understand unless they go through it
No one can make a mother tell who the father is
The mom definitely knew about the abuse. There is no way, especially with such a big family in a small home like she definitely knew.
Apart of me wants to believe that she didn't and was busy with all the other kids since she had a large family. As a mother knowing that type of horror is happening to a child at the hands of your husband that fathered her is sickening
Yup! And the fact that she only left when she was getting abused not when she found out her daughter was pregnant with her husbands child😷😷
Especially after the first police investigation and Sheila's pregnancy. She knew!
Sexual assaults by family was so common back then because no one took the victims seriously. The mom 💯 knew, but she most likely was abused herself. Still sickening. My mom and aunts were all raped by my grandmother husband. I didn't find out until my mom was literally on her death bed, I never spoke to my grandma or grandfather again. My grandma was lazy and she didn't care about anyone except herself. As long as she didn't have to get off her ass to earn money she didn't care what happened. I believe he sexually assaulted one of my uncles also, but I have no proof.
@@Tameker6 but how would they have explained Sheila's pregnancy to her? She definitely knew imo.
How scared Sheila must’ve been during those years :( horrid to even think what she went through
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@@anti.bctards7376 dude,its not funny
@@sugarbunns ignore him, he seems to be going around fishing for easy arguments
So then why did she go back for Christmas to play one big happy family? In fact why did any of the children who got out went back? I would have cut all contact as soon as possible and alert the police. Even worse, why were they okay with their own children being around this ab.ser? Why would Sheila bring back her children to her ab.ser? I just can't understand it.
@@AngelDeed to her that life was normal, she had been abused and groomed since she was an infant
I love how you don't try to scare people. You're just here to spread information, you try to do cases people might not know about to bring awareness to smaller cases, you don't add scary music or try to make it dramatic, you're very respectful, you give warnings for the people who need them and you genuinely want opinions and input from your viewers.
I remember this and it definitely put a pall o Christmas
I love Eleanor with my whole heart I love how she tells the cases and everything I've been watching her for so long and I get so excited when she posts
The death penalty is more of a mercy than a punishment. A mercy he definetly didn't deserve
Too much of a coward to take him self out after the devastation he left behind. 🤬
Remember back in the day when they would tie up criminals in the middle of the town square with the sun scorching hot, birds flying around waiting. Yah they need to bring that back specifically for evil like he was. Js🤷🏾♀️
@@Hafsa-4realz. I agree! I've always thought why are we testing stuff on animals when they can use people like him
I think it’s more so they couldn’t trust him in prison. He’d find a way to kill again I’m sure.
I agree but he'd be a huge danger to his fellow inmates
I don’t believe for one second that the wife and the rest of the family didn’t know that Sheila was being abused by her creepy bastard of a father.
I'm thinking this too. Maybe they were just glad it wasn't them 😕
right cause she had to be obviously pregnant at one point and if they really didn't know she was pregnant wouldn't they question her about why she suddenly has a baby? this just doesn't add up tbh
im sure they had an idea of what was going on but like sheila since they werent asked they didnt say anything probaly just scared
Obviously the other young children aren't really going to understand, but the other adult in that situation? There's no way she didn't know. Horrible shitty parent.
What’s even more sad is how Sheila finally found someone that actually loves her so much and someone to heal with, only to die by her father not even a long time after🙁
How did no one suddenly question why this little girl was pregnant and who the father was?
most people would assume that she was “knocked up by a random boy at school” or something similar to that
@@bluespirit671 “most people” pay attention to what’s going on around them. You have to be willingly oblivious to not see it.
@@JennifuhhGilardi Unfortunately, that's not the case in real life. Literally a pregnant girl is hardly something people will look into, but would rather make assumptions that she's "messing around" with boys. It's sick, but society would rather see a girl sleeping around than being abused and turn a blind eye to possible dangerous situations.
@@JennifuhhGilardi yeah i know. i wasnt saying that i was excusing others behavior because they assume things, i was saying that people would assume that she was “knocked up” because of the time setting this case was in and the fact that social service’s showed no effort in helping her even though they knew the real reason she was pregnant. which meant that people could just assume things without knowing the truth because it was never really out there
How did Shielas mom not realize when her teenage daughter became pregnant that her husband was the father?
He probably just played only the grandfather, like Josef Fritzl did. She probably thought it was a boy at school who fathered the baby. I like to like she cannot have known at all but......
She was probably selfish
She knew
Sheila's mom knew and no, she wasn't selfish. She was extremely abused by Ronald and was terrified of him, as they all were.
My childhood friend was abused by her stepdad in full hearing of her mom. She never held it against her mom, who denied knowing about it.
Eleanor: "he loves his daughter so much, he felt their souls were meant to be together."
Me: "he killed her, didn't he?"
Honestly, I don't believe for one second nobody in the family knew about the abuse.
Especially once it was known that Shelia was pregnant and the husband was being looked into.. How on earth could all of that be going on and nobody notices.. Especially the wife.. Idk, I was heavily abused as a kid and they all said that "We had no idea!" When I knew that I had said something multiple times to multiple family members. They don't want to know and will ignore anything that's inconvenient and it's the absolute worse family situation to be trapped in.
They knew and did nothing! She had elder brothers they could've helped her, her mother could've helped her.
But no one did!
I can’t believe that not only did they all still speak to him, but they all brought their own children over for christmas??! I know family situations aren’t always that simple but jesus christ
@@ajknight8640 I mean to them, this kind of life was normal. They were probably desensitized to it at this point, and just thought “another day with dad” or something. Quite saf
@@girlie_ch33se20 this. I grew up in a family with a lot of sexual abuse. When no one believes you, and your parents don’t acknowledge everything, you go numb to it, or take it as reality so you don’t lose your mind. It’s just a thing that you try to forget so you can carry on day to day.
So he’s this evil monster, he ruined his own life and then gets mad that his kids are moving on and away from his evilness… and he decides to take his evilness out on everyone. Gosh. He’s so evil.
He will burn for an eternity and every killing he did he's going to suffer 10 times more for
@Alice Rivierre I feel the same! I thought it was just me, like this case just made me so mad how this gross human being ruined all those lives.
The fact that he not only got to be executed, but his execution was probably the most painless ways of execution is so crazy to me. He got exactly what he wanted…
Genuinely he should've gotten a sentence which would never get him out of prison and so he could rot in jail
when she mentioned that he was obsessed with his daughter i was PRAYING that it was gonna be a heartbreaking case of "and then this daughter, that he loved so dearly in a very innocent way, died, and it changed something inside of him - and that's what set him on the path to being a terrible person"
Nope.
I knew immediately after she said that what would happen
Life gets hopeless for everyone, but the rest of us don't sexually abuse and murder a bunch of people..not to mention that psycho caused all his own problems. So disgusting! Ugh.
Exactly!! Us normal folks just do some heroin geez
No one made that excuse so I don't know why you're saying that. Its not that hard to understand that people do things because its makes them feel good. Simple as that.Having knowledge doesn't mean you're excusing. If you knew someone cheated in a game b/c they were smaller than the others doesn't mean you're defending them. Its simply knowing. Nothing wrong with understanding someone's head space. If we continue thinking like you we would have professionals who use understanding criminal minds to predict their Motivation, their type, and their next move. Its a therapist job to take in psychological knowledge.
@@cliffordpogue4280 Not heroin😂
If someone is suicidial AND homicidal, they should only kill themselves. It’s extremely selfish to bring others with you through murder
ALL HIS OWN PROBLEMS!!!! Seriously! When Eleanor said he wanted to get revenge, I said REVENGE on WHO?! He did everything to himself 😤
This happened here in Arkansas. It was heartbreaking what he did to his family over the years and the culminating massacre over Christmas. His children and his grand children. The house since then has been burnt down and the ground raised and sprinkled with salt.
Eleanor has single handedly created my fascination with true crime. I just wanted to watch a video about eBay lipsticks, and now I’m hooked.
No dumb voice, clearly passionate about her work, doesn’t do makeup while it’s on and got me looking gay when watching her. During the first lockdown I found her and binged everything
@@rere4641 as in underage girls? You've been reported bye bye
@@rere4641 um tf
@@nottyrese what are you being so shady for 💀 you can compliment her without bringing anyone else down
Yes! She and MrBallen
Imagine being that sick. I feel so bad for all the people that lost their lives, and especially Sheela. Rest In Peace 🕊
This whole story just had me pausing whenever a new horror occured.
Abused his daughter for yrs and she ended up pregnant with his child a.d upon reporting the police know and don't follow him next state when he moves. Shocking and disappointed.
The fact that he just had a light bulb moment and murdered his whole family is just chilling. The poor kids. Gosh.
And then the dip in the cesspit
It just never slows down. 😮😮
Right? The further down it went, the more nauseous I got. Like… OH MY GOD. This man was so sick and twisted.
Who even lets an abused child go back home to their abuser at all? If they need to get stuff they should be accompanied by police not sent home with more than enough time for the abuser to take the child THE NEXT FRIGGING MORNING and run away to another state.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Big fail on their part. It's so heart wrenching. They failed her. :(
CPS is ALWAYS failing!
They didn’t have any evidence that’s why they had to pull an investigation and not really take any actions including not letting the child go home but still the police really should of prepared for these kind of things and *what the hell* why didn’t they report to the Arkansas police force!?
@@qpw4444 The pregnancy wasn’t enough evidence for them?? They really failed her big time
You would be shocked to know how often children are returned to their abusers. People argue that it's better to "keep the families together". And worse, children are more often than not given to new abusers in foster care. It's so messed up.
BTW, Eleanor I just heard about a serial killer called the doodlerer who would draw his victims before he killed them and it is such an interesting case that no one has really talked about.
Let's do this!
ask her again when she next posts
furthermore, the doodler targeted gay people at gay bars bc it was the 70s and the survivors were afraid to come forward and testify... so the murderer was never caught, heartbreaking stuff
I feel like the name the doodler kind of takes away from the fact he’s a literal murder if you know what I mean
@@bethbooth6469 yeah this name is kinda silly but at least it reflects what's his MO is. better than the vague sounding scary name like "Beast of (enter city name)" or something... since he hasn't been caught, how else are we supposed to identify him other than by the MO
i’ve watched another youtubers story over this case and i’m so glad i watched yours, bc they made it seem like Sheila was in a relationship with him consensually like dating not molestation.
Who is the other youtubers !?
Um…eW
Why do I have a feeling it was Bailey
@@hayvencat Bailey hasn't covered this case
@@fannyboni472 Bella Fiori
As a non American, the fact that he managed to go swimming in literal human waste, not shower, waltz in to a Walmart and then buy a gun.. is beyond my comprehension.
Would you want to try to talk a man who is covered in human waste to leave a store and risk him touching you or trying to fight you? Would you want that human waste on you? No? Okay then.
@@rayagray6321sorry what 😂
It was the 80s 🤷🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️
@@deeriggs3319 people walked around covered in shit ready to buy a gun in America in the 80s and this was normal?
@@amemelia it still is. Look for the people of Walmart.
Strangulation is a more "intimate" way of killing, and knowing how he was with little girls I am not surprised her strangled her. It was a form of sexual assault that didn't involve sex.
That is true about strangulation, but 8 think he may have had another reason, just because he strangled ALL the children and he shot all the adults, even Sheila, his "favorite". Maybe he was saving ammunition. Who knows? Just speculation, of course.
Ohhh, good thinking.. totally a more intimate experience 4 his sicko a$$... the psychological part of why/how these sorry excuses of humans do what they do is a trip in it self. Nevertheless, I agree w you
Not sure about the sexual part. But what does get me is that he chose to strangle the kids over shooting them. As of that were the nicer way for them to go or something? That’s even worse it takes at least three minutes to actually strangle someone to death be a quick gunshot! Poor kids this is so unbelievably awful!
@@alleycat616 how are you not sure about the sexual part? He raped his daughter for her whole life..:pretty sure there’s a sexual aspect to him
@@crazyweirdgirl115 yeah but he didn't strangle the daughter he raped... that puts a hole in the theory
There's always a part of these cases that really stick in my memory. For this case, it will certainly be the fact that he threw his eldest sons body in a cesspool and then went back days later and dug through YEARS of human feces to retrieve his sons car keys so he could steal his car too. Absolutely wild.
I love how much youre posting lately. Always makes my day better
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@@rere4641 what the fuck dude
its because youtube does a bonus for adsense in december. so youll likely see alot more videos from everyone becuase of this.
The thing that kills me is that if the cops had done more due diligence when Sheila was like “help me I’m abused and pregnant” this might not have gone so far.
I can’t imagine how excited she was to finally be freed only for the police to give up on her
@@nationalinstituteofcheese3012 fucking terrible man just straight up lazy of the police
I’m curious what could be wrong with the wife/mother. If her daughter was being sexually abused for that long, there are signs. I know and I’m not going into why. But the mother had to be ignoring those signs and then to agree to be up and moved, isolated from the world? There was something wrong with her too. She failed to protect those kids.
not defending but maybe she was abused too…? i’m not through with the video though yet
It's simple - she chose a man over her kids. A lot of parents, especially mothers, do it. They stand aside and let child abuse happen because they love the other parent/partner so much. It's disgusting.
@@marril96 that’s true
Not only that but she didn’t leave when she found out her daughter was pregnant with her husbands son she left when she was being abused. She didn’t care for those kids. I don’t believe she came back to protect them at all.
@@fefe1179 she maybe didn't know it was his or she was being hurt as well
Hillbillies don't claim pieces of shit like him. He came to the hills, he wasn't from them. I love your style of story telling and will always watch what you put out!
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Definitely not! This man was a monster.
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hillbillies 😭😹
Amen. As someone who literally grew up 7 miles from where this happened my mom and dad knew him from the gas station he worked at. There is a lot more info on this. Just have to talk to us hill folk.
I love how Eleanor paints a full picture with her story telling. We can clearly visualise what happened in each story. It makes it more real
Of all of the true crime videos i've seen, this is the most sickening and tragic story I have ever heard. The excitement those children must have been feeling as they waited in line to get their "surprise" is so heartbreaking to listen to. It makes you feel like a ghost, trying to scream at them to run but you can't do anything. Such a horrible sick man and i feel so sorry for all of the victims, oh my gosh.
And tbh, it was shocking hearing they were excited knowing he was abusing their mother. When domestic violence happens, its shocks you as a kid, you fear home. But amyway.
This
I grew up a preacher’s kid and we traveled around “evangelizing” when I was a kid. We were holding a revival in a nearby town to this after this happened ( I couldn’t have been older than 4 or 5) and some of the church members decided to take us on a tour of the crime scene. It traumatized me. I remember going up a hill and getting out and the house had been demolished. I remember seeing an old car with the trunk open, and a little wooden playhouse looking thing…we went over and looked into the empty graves and I remember picking up spent ammunition shells. I will never forget this as long as I live. I was little but I could just feel the evil and just horribly depressing feeling. I remember feeling scared. My older brother and sister remember a lot more than I do but we all still, to this day, talk about how traumatizing it was to see those graves and we all wonder…what were our parents thinking taking us out there when we were just kids and talking about this stuff in front of us? I can still feel the eerie feeling I had that day and I’m 35 years old now. Such a horrible tragedy.
I pray that all is doing better what satan meant for evil, GOD Will turn it around for there Good Amen
Lord bless her and others in JESUS Name 😂
The mom definitely knew about the abuse Shelia was going through. She probably knew from the start he was going to be like this and didn’t tell anybody bc she was scared- that was why the abuse went on to her as soon as he got reported for Shelia. Someone in the house knew, even if it wasn’t the mom, someone knew and didn’t say anything. Also, I think a lot more neighbours knew bc if a neighbour was able to spot him kissing his daughter in public, a lot of other people definitely knew. That was probably also why they came for Christmas, if I was the child I would get far far away from him.
Edit: people were definitely right about him. I think the reason why he put the bodies in the cesspit wasn’t only bc to hide the bodies, but maybe to hold some power against them.
If I was apart of the jury that decided his penalty, I absolutely would not have given him the death penalty. He deserves to rot in jail alone. He's a horrible human being who didn't deserve the easy way out of the mess he made.
Jail is the easy way, and it gives no justice to the victims or their families. Prison isn't like a castle dungeon with stale bread and water. Some "lifers" are living pretty cushy lives at the expense of the taxpayer.
Also, the judge does the sentencing.
@@jesussaves6625 Thank you for explaining that but I do still believe, over all, the death penalty is one of the easy ways out.
It sucks that some people get to live cushy lives, but that's not always the case I've heard. I know some prisons in America absolutely suck.
@@jesussaves6625 There's also families out there who agree with me and are upset when someone who murdered their family is sentenced to death.
@@sketchingingreen Thank you for such a respectful answer. I understand, of course that some people will have a different opinion than me, and that's ok.
Exactly! He deserved to live with that and possibly be tortured in prison too. I’m with you 100%
my grandma got me interested in true crime, she loved everything like that. I used to watch your videos and tell her about them and she’d find documentaries on them so we could talk about it. She died back in april and every time i watch a video of yours i get comfort knowing im enjoying something she did
Sorry about your lost, she sounds like a very interesting woman
Sorry for your loss 😞
Sorry for your loss I wish I could have had a family member (or friend, for that matter) who is as interested in true crime as I am
I bet she still sits and watches the videos with you @maddie ella💕😇
I wanna know what his wife had to say about Sheila getting pregnant when the kids were never allowed to leave the house besides school. And what she thought about Robert frantically moving them out of state one day. She had to have known about the abuse
She did.
Wait did the wife not notice her kid growing? What did she say when her daugher popped out a kid?
There are 8 kids?! How did NOT ONE notice?! It’s like the dugger family
My exact thoughts! I can understand he may have been good at hiding the abuse and Sheila was too scared to speak but…. Why did nobody question where her baby came from ???
My guess is that the daughter (under direction of the dad) covered it up by lying and saying that some kid her age knocked her up and ran off. But I do think its weird he was able to hide the abuse from the mom for so long
Right!! I was like wtf lol did we miss something??
I reckon they did now but were too scared to tell anybody 😬
The husband probably said she had a boyfriend or some shit.
The fact that ALLLLL of this could've been avoided if the police actually did their job pisses me off so much
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You’re expecting too much out of the overpaid lazy pigs we give shiny badges and deadly weapons to play with
Eleanor, you look so happy and healthy! Cheerful and engaging. We just love your channel and your story telling. All best wishes to you! Great work!
Omg this case, I think it’s the worst familicide case I’ve ever stumbled across. Just the level of abuse before the murders and how thought out they all were. The fact that he had multiple times to realize how vile his actions were but chose to continue the murders. It’s just so sad. Especially Sheila, she really deserved a happy long full life but it was stolen from her. Such a tragic case
A lot of movies try to portray serial killers as these cool, intelligent and in control individuals to try and make them more scray. If you fear that just remember this is one of the worst spree killers in US history and he had to jump into a pile of sh*t just to drive a car, there isn't anything more pathetic than him wading in their too find the keys.
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@@AB-ff1cq mine was made a day before his
The thing is a lot of normal people unfortunately have to buy into that "highly intelligent criminally insane" drivel because the truth is something a lot harder for us to accept. Killing is not a difficult act, of course I don't mean this morally, but that the act of taking another's life when decided upon is shockingly simple, so much so that even the lowest of the low of society can muster the ability to do so, its unnerving to think that a life that has produced so much and been so valued by the people affected by it can be snuffed out at a moments notice by anyone at all with enough dumb luck, but even more than that, it speaks to a much darker side of human nature in all of us that murder seems to be the one act that almost anyone, regardless of age, health, or experience (to a degree ofc) can carry out. And I don't blame them honestly, its just as scary for me to think about how capable me and the people around me are of something so horrendous.
@@henrydikes6704 I agree, life in general is so fragile. I'm in med school and we are required to visit the hospital a few times each month, and the patient histories I've seen have included people who are living with part of their skulls missing, and also about people who died of an infected wound. It's so terrifying how killing seems to come so easy to serial killers after they've done it once. As if it's nothing but an everyday chore to them. Almost never are killers these intelligent, calculating individuals with a clear motive; they're more often than not either a psychopath who had a taste for murder as a kid by killing small animals or someone who was traumatised to the point of frantic violence upon being triggered. Neither of them calculate much of how the investigation might proceed, and do just the most frantic and panicked cleanups after their crime. It makes them that much scarier
Exactly, Serial killers are legit losers and sad humans. Cool is FAR from them.
This is heartbreaking, it’s the most disgusting, disturbing case I’ve heard since the Junko foruta case. I hope the family and all of his victims are happy in heaven 💔
me too! this case and Junko’s are the worst i’ve heard :(
Honestly, this case is a good example of why the death penalty isn’t even effective. Like, in addition to the questionable morality of letting the government kill people and also the fact that sometimes the wrong person is killed, it’s an easy way out for absolute monsters like this guy. He should have suffered in prison for the rest of his crusty miserable life, and the fact that he didn’t is infuriating. I hope all his victims are at rest and that that disgusting man burns in hell.
He would’ve been okay living out his life in prison..the torture of knowing you’re going to die and even given a date is the sweetest taboo
Nah, pedophiles don't deserve to be alive..
Hmm I wouldn't say it's an easy out whatsoever. Pit yourself in the position- would you find it easy? Spending 20 years or more on death row which is complete isolation, the psychological torture of knowing that your execution date can be announced any time and that you're going to experience an extremely painful death via either electric chair or lethal injection, is absolutely horrifying.
I'm against the death penalty foe the simple reason that there's no taking it back if its discovered the wrong person was killed. Then there's the morality issue of killing someone and someone having to be responsible for pushing that button making them a murderer also.
It's also playing God. Its proven that it does literally nothing to influence criminals against committing their crimes, absolutely nothing.
Also, it's a fallacy that it's cheaper to execute rather than house a prisoner for life. It actually costs far more to execute. The truth of the matter is that its an industry generating billions of dollars. Consider how many appeals, how many lawyers on both sides that need paying - from taxpayer money, judges, the entire court system staff involved in the ridiculously lengthy appeals process that starts the minute someone is sentenced to death. It's a very dark, disgusting industry that has been sold to us as justice for wrongdoings but the system was designed by the elites and it favours the elites. It's only the poor people who ever get sentenced to death because they are the ones who can't afford to hire a crack lawyer to get them off their charges.
These people deserve severe puunishment but two wrongs don't make a⁴ right. Awful, backwards, and thoroughly hypocritical practice that has no pluses whatsoever. Although, I myself find myself wishing great harm and torture on people who hurt children. But the reality is I don't believe I could carry it out myself and its just the hatred for the perpetrator coming out. They need to be locked up and treated with humanity despite them not affording others the same respect. Our Heavenly Father is the one who should be judging whether someone lives or dies and I'm happy to allow Him to do that, I don't want that responsibility.
My only gripe with the death penalty is that innocent people could be accidentally put to death. It's far and few between but even the cases we know about are too many and there's always work to be done to make sure we reduce or completely get rid of mistakes like that.
I'm for the death penalty because some crimes are too digusting to even let the person live. And if they do end up in a life sentance, we the people have to cough up the money to house and feed these people.
It's a strain on the economy for someone everyone else would rather see gone.
a lot of "life sentences" i hear about have a minimum amount of time in prison before the people are allowed parole. The fact that the prisons can let out the murderers if they are "well behaved" is terrifying to me.
I still might not understand everything properly though please educate me if it doesn't quite work this way.
Prime example of how you don’t owe abusive relatives your time once you manage to get away from the abuse
Amen
I love how she narrates. I'd wish for a podcast but I love seeing her reactions cuz it adds to her telling of the story. Great job.. is there a patreon?💚
i dont know why but this case is probably the only one that ive heard that’s genuinely made me feel weak, true crime cases tend to make me sad/upset but this one really stuck with me for some reason. the way that he abused his family and then still acted like they were the problem and deserved to die for it? and his kid’s BABIES too? it’s horrible
This is one of only a few cases I’ve come across that have actually made me physically ILL. I don’t understand how a human being could do all the things that this piece of human WASTE did. It’s MIND BLOWING to me.
Same! It’s by far the worst case I’ve ever heard of. I’ve watched true crime for atleast 10 years and this was the only one that was truly hard to finish. I can’t even sleep right now. Holding my baby girl extra tight tonight that’s forsure. I don’t understand how people can hurt children.😞
I agree ☝️ plus I love your name… my daughter is “Amelia Kate”
This absolutely breaks my heart for sheela. Why the actual hell did child services not immediately remove sheela and ALL of the other children?????? Child services be taking kids over marijuana in the home yetttttttttt with cases like these and Gabriel Fernandez they KNOW what is going on and don’t take the children?? Their is no “child protective services” if they’re not protecting children like these. Absolutely ridiculous. Infuriates me more than just about anything.
I like that you seem genuinely interested in these cases. You explain things and you try to make things understood by your viewers (motivations and reasoning mostly).
The mom knew exactly what was going on, I'm sorry for the kids and grandkids
Oh she knew forsure. A huge family in a small home holds no secrets.
And she left at one point and didn’t bother to take all her kids with her. Like..If you feared for your life, take your children and grandchildren with you as well.
Her daughter gave birth and she never questioned who the father was? Ya I dont think so
Yeah, she knew. I hate to even think it but wouldn't be surprised if she appreciated the distraction, even if it's at the expense of her daughter.
Am I home alone and going to absolutely poop my pants watching this? Yes.
Am I going to watch it any way? Absolutely.
Loving the consistency Eleanor. Thank you for making December extra special. Your videos really help me to stop overthinking whilst I’m lay in bed at night. You are a treasure x
I am watching at home alone, during the ad break I thought I heard someone behind me.
Immediately bellowed in terror and scared the hell,l out of my poor pet bird.
I"ve just managed to soothe him enough to go back on my shoulder and now I feel mean and silly.
I can believe that no one outside of the family knew about Sheila but the family knew. Especially the mother. She failed every single one of her children.
I'm not normally soft on true crimes but I think this is probably the most horrific case you've done this guy was a sick one
i always say to myself “i’ll never understand how someone can do something so evil”… i have to remind myself that maybe it’s not for me to understand because i’m not the kind of person to do it
As someone who works in a jail, I can say you are definitely right. Sometimes it's impossible to understand how these people think, and other times you just don't want to, because their crimes are so heinous. Of course we get people who you can understand, normal people who make dumb choices, but with the murderers, rapists, child molesters, you just gotta try to not think about their crime
I love the way she tells the stories,she keeps me drawn in.
Some people aren’t good at explaining and telling stories,but she is very good and keeps you drawn in and interested!
I love her she got me into true crime and the first one I started watching♥️♥️♥️
As soon as I read "Hillbilly" in the title, sadly I knew immediately that incest would play a huge roll in this story. Sickening, absolutely sickening. I haven't got to the end of this story yet but I really hope to hear that when he was put in jail/prison the other inmates beat the crap out of him every single day. I would like to think that's how his future played out. One can only hope I guess...
Side note: I feel really bad for the medical examiners (and possible interns...?) in this case. Those poor people had to endure such a horrific smell and had to clean that disgusting mans piss and $hit off of those poor victims before they could even begin to do their jobs. They probably still had the stench stuck in their noses as they testified during the trial.
@jennifer prince this man wasn't a "hillbilly" he was from Northern USA. He had never been to the south until he wanted to hide away and not be caught. Unfortunately, a lot of deranged criminals do this to lay low in the mountains and small towns. Where there's not much crime that goes on and their under the radar of po.ice and other people noticing any of their crimes.
this is a very sad story, my God. 14 lives, literally a whole entire family started and ended at the hands of this one man. it’s even sadder that sheela’s life was going so so good once she was out of her fathers sight… i’m feel for her husband
Her husband was killed with her
@@lanaprowse3269 wow. i didn’t even hear that part for some reason…. i mean i should’ve guessed, he killed her kids too
this has gotta be one of the most heart breaking cases i’ve heard.. jesus. life can be so cruel, makes my heart ache.
its lowkey kinda cute how everybody in her comments are just bonding and discussing the case because you can tell how passionate youre all about it😭
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@@ce6ej Don't
I know. And it’s beautiful, but am I the only one thinking about the fact the son went by Gene Simmons
@@ria3886 😁
I can’t stand when I hear about these people who first contemplate killing themselves but instead kill other people. It may sound cruel and cold, but it’d be better if they just offed himself and saved 16 people. Ugh.
I know. It seems almost like doing the right thing at that point..... And then they don't.
yeah, like not encouraging suicide in any scenario but the ideal thing would be to just admit yourself into an institution. murdering everyone in your life shouldn't even be an option but if it is it's definitely the last thing you'd wanna go with.
I have so much respect for Dennis-he was obviously an rare and incredibly kind human being. May all of this monster’s victims’ souls find peace.
not often does a case disturb me like this. I often go searching for the most twisted and disturbing cases just from morbid curiosity, but this is just... truly horrific. the fact that his disposal of the bodies into and continual use of the cesspool whilst his family were rotting inside is just... indescribable in its sickness. I can't imagine how twisted you'd have to be to do that. absolutely horrifying.
Exactly what i think too! And i dont understand how i never Heard of it before.. never saw a doc about it or anything !
All those poor babies. Those poor kids and grandkids. His poor wife. I just ... as a mum at an age where I'll likely be a grandparent in the next 7 years ... this is unimaginable. Great vid from you. xxx
wow, police really failed this family. i have no words. there’s so many things to touch on, but in summary, this man is truly sick. i can’t even put into words how terrible this is. it sounds horrific just hearing what happened, i can’t imagine how it felt for the victims. every single thing that occurred, especially for the daughter, is unbelievably terrifying. i can’t believe people like Ronald exist. How??
I just love how she presents these cases, she gives you so much Intel and gives warnings so that way you don't hear something you don't want to, like me personally I don't like child killers or child rapist ones, they just make me lose all hope in humanity. But I'm glad she warns us so I can click out. Thank you!!
I don’t think anyone likes child killers or child rapist
Ya I don't think so ether but I personally just don't want to watch the vids about them.
She’s very respectful of people’s potential traumas, I’ve always loved this about her
@@NoneYaBusiness but you just did?
@@greasysheets2829 just did what?
I've honestly been binge watching Eleanor's videos and the way she explains them are really good. When I watch other people's videos I don't really understand what they mean and that but with Eleanor I do. ❤
@Tommy Gaming why…
sameeee, i love herrr
I took a break from true crime videos, but I’m back now and am so happy to watch Eleanor again!!! also can I just say how much I love your makeup look? it totally suits you!!
I wonder weather Ronald's wife was aware of the reason they even moved and crossed the borders in the first place.. surely with a police investigation and the school being informed she must of been aware about Shelia's abuse at the hands of Ronald
I'm pretty sure she was. I'm a mother and know how my kids are and know when something is wrong.
The whole family was aware. I watched a documentary before about this family. Very sick, the mother did not want to be without a man
@@JB-nr7iy I hate when people put their spouses before their kids. Maybe it was how I was raised, but if my kids were being hurt by anyone, their ass is grass, kids are your life. Those are the beings that you need to protect no matter what.
@@Mariflower562 exactly! I refuse to believe that this was going on her WHOLE childhood and no one caught on... I mean maybe that could of worked when they lived in a house with walls but when they lived in a fucking mobile home? something is definitely sus
Oh, she knew. And she let him do it. She chose a man over her kids.
Had to bow out. Christmas break starts for our kiddos in a few hours. I need a more cheerful mind set. Thanks for the warnings. ❤️
I'll be back when I am in a different mental place.
My best to you Eleanor and your team. 🎄
Not a problem! Merry Christmas to you and your family! ❤️
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I always watch your videos while studying or when im overwhelmed because your voice calms me down!! Thank you for your amazing content
Cases like this is when I wonder if some exceptions should be made for, “cruel and unusual punishment”. If he’s terrified to sit in jail for the rest of his life then that’s EXACTLY what should happen at the very least. Really annoying that in the end, things still went his way!
Girl, you are straight serving. 3 videos in one week. I cannot believe this is real.
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You are so great at explaining these story’s in a respectful manor and I respect that so much. you go girl! I’ve been watching you for so long and it just keeps getting better 💚
I've heard about Ronald Simmons before and this guy is just a sick and twisted creep after what he did to his whole family and also the people at the bank as well.
Also the fact that they decided to put a headstone on his grave due to him being Veteran and serving in the Army and Navy is just ridiculous. They don't seem to care that innocent children were murdered by him.
I never understood how Americans have some much respect for people in the army, treating them as gods without even knowing what they’re really like. There’s a lot of people in the army that are just really bad people and not even mentioning that these people aren’t really fighting for anyone’s freedom.
@@CrustyB1 I grew up in america and I never really understood it either. Firefighters/doctors also serve our country by keeping everyone safe, yet there’s no holiday or special discounts for them is there
The amount of research that you’ve put into these cases are amazing. Thank you so much Eleanor!
But also Rest In Peace for the poor victims that lost their lives from this indescribably disgusting, horrible monster
I’m genuinely surprised all the kids turned up for Christmas. If I’m any of Simmons’ kids, I’m not going to my weird dad’s ramshackle house for Christmas, especially after everything he did to me while I lived with him.
You are literally amazing for these consistent uploads!!! So many life and world stresses right now and you give so many of us that much needed escape. We LOVE YOU 🤍
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I love how listening to true crime cases is an escape for us 😂🥲 escaping the worlds evil to listen to evil. Oh the irony 😂❤️
So like, poor Sheila had this baby with her father and the rest of the family just didn't blink an eye? Or was she forced to lie and say she got pregnant by someone in school?
The whole family knew and lived in fear of Ronald. The first CPS investigation that made Ronald pack up the family happened because of the oldest son telling cops about his father impregnating his sister and Sheila's friends also told police, after she had confided in them who the father was. Ronald also cut all contact with his wife's family when Sheila became pregnant. He intercepted all of his wife's mail and stood over her shoulder during all phone calls. His control was TOTAL.
@@Heliophobic but the older kids got out, so why go back? And why bring their own children back to a known p...?
@@Heliophobic Thanks for this information, that really answers a lot of the questions I had about that whole dynamic. Is there a certain place you learned about that? I'm curious because I still have some questions about this case that I'd love to have answered
@@AngelDeed I'm wondering that too, definitely. I can't imagine why you'd ever come to visit after finally getting out of a place like that? Maybe to keep an eye on the siblings that were still there? But even so, I'd just think there were other options.
Someone in my life has a very toxic mother (not straight out abusive but extremely toxic and manipulative), and as adults him and his siblings try to have as little to do with their mother as possible. They all moved out as soon as they turned 18, some even sooner, and they stay far away from all of it. Unfortunately one of their siblings is still stuck with her so they try to keep in touch with that sibling as much as they can - that sibling is over 18 now too, but their mother has brainwashed them into being completely under her control so they won't move out. She's pretty much convinced this sibling that everyone else is a toxic liar and she's the only one they can trust - it's really awful to see how much damage a bad parent can do to a person.
I just really wonder why they kept going back. Especially his daughter, because you'd think that if your father raped you, you wouldn't want him anywhere near your own children.
(I'm not by any means victim blaming here, not even remotely, I'm just curious about it. It's hard to imagine, but it's not exactly something I can judge since I didn't experience my childhood the same way they did thankfully)
@@BooglePoots you know trauma bonds exist right?
I’ve always loved True Crime and this was the first book that I read. This guy was truly sick. Your stories are great, but it’s like movies & books- the book tells so much more…as if you need to hear anymore of this craziness. I don’t remember this/him being called the hillbilly killer, but it’s been a few years since I read the story. Thanks for another great story!
I can't understand why the older children especially Shelia would ever return to the home.
Same. They really should have known how unstable he was, even if they weren’t suffering abuse.
sheila had been groomed from the moment she was born. she obviously realised that what he did was wrong and she was traumatised from it, but it’s her father who raised her and her siblings. she probably felt guilty if she wanted to cut him off, maybe she didn’t want to be asked questions about why she wanted to cut him off. besides social services didn’t do their job. that probably made the kids feel like they weren’t being abused, or that their problems weren’t important.
Trauma bond
Way to victim blame a child….sometimes it just happens, open your mind up a little more. Definitely a trauma bond, and a strong one at that since it was her own FATHER.
@@josukeshair8891 my mind is open and I'm speaking from knowing abuse in dear friends and family. Number rule is always you get out you stay out. I am aware that people are programed to believe that this is love and its okay buy there is always a piece deap down that knows its wrong and if you are fortunate to make it out you try your hardest to stay out. Please don't think I make light of the situation or someone's trauma but there is a time in life you have to say Fuck my family. The only reason to return would be to get the younger kids out. You ever look at documentaries on people going to break their families out of cults or other deadly living situations those people were once in the same situation with the same beliefs but they got out and they realized how abusive and controlled their childhoods were and their main goal in life is to go back and get their younger siblings out never to return.
The content warning always makes me feel like she’s reading me my Miranda rights lmao. Love you Eleanor!!!! You are awesome
This. Is heartbreaking. The killing of adults is one thing but the infants and children I just… I can’t. They’re so defenceless, so innocent.
I just love the fact that you genuinely care for the viewers state of mind and/or current state with these disclaimers.
I am normally against the death penalty, but this one ALMOST got me. But because he wanted it, because he SMILED when it was given...he didn't deserve it for a totally different reason than I usually give.
May I ask why are you against the death penalty??
@@mya2marie It's definitely one of those personal topics and with personal morals. I don't think it's ever right to take someone's right to life away from them, even if they've taken that right away from someone else. I think it's better to be above that and that it's better to extend mercy even to those we may not think deserve it. I'm also a major supporter of rehabilitation over punishment, so the permanence of death is a big issue as well. On a less eloquent note, it also makes me feel icky inside.
@@sayakamaizono8216 I had to run and look it up real quick, but there is a principle called Blackstone's ratio that says that it is better to let ten guilty people go free than to condemn one innocent person to death. That is one of the big reasons I'm against it. The fact that we have people on death row right now who are innocent (it's statistically unlikely that ALL of them are guilty) is a freaky thought. At least there are in some states as I live in America and thankfully, my state doesn't have capital punishment. Unfortunately, the country at the federal level does. Did a look and we went ten years without federally executing anyone, but broke the streak in 2020.
Sorry for the rambles, I don't get out much.
usually i’m mainly fascinated by true crime cases and whilst it’s always so heartbreaking all i felt through this one was anger, it’s sad such disgusting people can just get away with things and it’s confusing how someone can even have that thought process to hurt your family the way he did or hurt anyone especially children
This case is HUGE in Russellville and Pine Bluff, where Simmons lived. I only live an hour away, but I've heard stories from the funeral directors around here at how heartbreaking it was to care of the deceased.
RIP to all the victims 🕊🤍 killed by this monster can’t imagine how excited those kids were for Christmas then he killed them :(
41:47 "she was his favourite" somehow got to me more than most true crime did. Honestly.
It seriously takes me so long to actually finish a video, because I’ve associated Eleanors voice with relaxation and it makes me fall asleep EVERY SINGLE TIME. You are literally the reason I fall asleep every night I swear 😂😂 thanks babe
You might like Kimberleigha too! Her voice is so soothing!
same!
Same!
I live in Arkansas, and this case is the most single handedly terrifying I’ve heard out of the ones that’s happened here. There hasn’t been a lot that’s happened, but this is one of the most terrible I’ve been told about.
On the other hand, there’s another case that’s happened in my city called ‘The Boys on the Tracks’. If you’re interested, it’s been unsolved for 34 years.
Gonna look into that story. 👍
Yes! I live near Alexander and everyone talks about that case. They’re still trying to get justice for those boys.
Just looked up this case and they really need to dig deeper into this case, so many unanswered questions.
I live in arkansas too, and its scary to think something like this happened in the place ive always lived and near where my family has always been located, the thought that someone in my family may have known him and thought he was normal is scary to me
I'm from Arkansas too & it's seriously right up there in terms of sheer evil. I have friends that grew up in Pope County, knew the family & the other victims.
Also the boys on the tracks have always stuck with me as I'm their age!
I love your channel and your true crime series, it’s really good to listen to when I’m sewing
The amount of time it must take to prepare before making these videos for us… All the research and details. I can’t say enough how much we appreciate you.
She has an script writer
Just think if the woman he married had just put something unpleasant in his Tea this could have been sorted much earlier. The entire family would be alive. No way she did not know.
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