I can’t believe he was diagnosed with schizophrenia (prior to any of this) and was found to be fit to stand trial and was tried as an adult even though he was a child 🤷🏼♀️ The kid was clearly very mentally ill and possibly mentally disabled
This is my life right now. My brother stabbed my dad repeatedly . We are still glad he survived, but now he has facial paralysis among other things. The mental evaluation showed that he seems to have schizophrenia that has been untreated, so the court let him of easy with the promise that instead of jail he will go to an institution. The court required monthly updates. And my mom found a place that would take him and told the court what the plan was, and…..didn’t do any of it when he was released. It’s been a week and we are all so worried. She blocked all of us on social media and phone. 😣
@@adri9795 Are you worried he may hurt someone else? I don’t want to overstep my place here but if you want him to be institutionalized maybe you or someone else can call the police, his parole officer, the district attorney or someone else that is involved with his case. I would want my brother to get the help he’s obviously in need of and I’m sorry but he still needs to pay for the crime he committed. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you or your dad. I wanted to let you know how I would do things if I were in your shoes. I’m so sorry about your dad too.
Eleanor my criminology teacher literally recommended your channel to our class (although I’ve been a fan for a while) BUT YOUR NOW LITERALLY PART OF MY EDUCATION!!
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I honestly completely believe the SA story People are most honest in their diaries Not to mention the whole "not showering for days because he was afraid of his brother walking in on him" that is SO SO real he actually couldn't have made this shit up. He also just has absolutely no reason to lie about that, he gains nothing from it.
It's not that simple though. It's not a matter of just truth or lie when psychosis is in the mix, he could really think it happened and have all the trauma associated with that without it having actually happened. Tbh his mother didn't help with the situation either, both for stopping taking him to therapy and treatment and for the way she dealt with the SA situation (whether real or not) All in all, I find it outrageous that he was deemed fit to stand trial. He's the textbook definition of criminally insane, he should have been sent to a mental facility to get treatment. It's really sad that justice systems are more concerned with demonizing people and getting this twisted sense of revenge and satisfaction at seeing a criminal getting punished than with actually prioritizing fairness and doing what's best for everyone
@@comdrive3865 Because it seems there's no evidence that his crime was caused by mental illness. Even if he is truly schizophrenic (and I'm not sure he is), he still murdered his mother and attempted to murder his brother _with the knowledge and understanding that it was wrong._ The fact that he had a bag packed and fled is evidence that he knew what he was doing was wrong and/or unlawful. (In some states, there's a verdict available called "guilty but mentally ill," which indicates that the jury believes the person is mentally ill but also knew they were committing a crime and could have chosen not to do so. A person who receives this verdict goes to a secure mental health facility and receives treatment, but instead of being released upon successful treatment -- which is what happens to people found NGRI -- they are released to jail/prison to serve the remainder of their sentence.)
The fact that he was so detailed about his sexual assault & continuously brought it up … I honestly believe him. His brother was probably effected from the way their mother treated them
I suspect it was a delusion caused by his schizophrenia, which he truly believes happened. Psychosis and schizophrenia can cause very vivid "memories" and dreamlike experiences which the sufferer will believe to be the absolute truth despite them never happening. I don't believe for a second that his brother harmed him in any way at all. Zachary's mental health was in a truly terrible state, he wasn't receiving treatment for it, and he was already suffering delusions that his father was constantly speaking to him and instructing him. The sexual assault is undoubtedly not a real event.
I believe him to. And what breaks my heart is someone in my family tried to do something to my daughter thankfully I walked in. And when I called the cops they said that they is nothing to prove my story, so it’s just my word against him with no proof. And my daughters statement didn’t matter because she could have “Coerced” into saying that. Which breaks my heart wondering how many kids this happens to and there is nothing being done. And most times the parents don’t believe the kids. Which is more heart breaking 😢
I believe him to a degree, my theory is that this attack was a symptom of his mental health and was maybe a very vivid dream or a hallucination, so in his mind this did really happen but physically it didn't. Maybe he argued with his mum and she said he was a liar because she knew it couldn't have happened when he was saying it did, maybe Josh wasn't even home at the time. I find the whole story kinda off somewhere and I think it's that. It DID happen to him but not in the capacity he believes it happened 👀🤔💭
i can’t even imagine how josh must have felt that day. waking up to the fire alarm and trying to wake your mother, just to see that she’s been murdered, and later finding out that her killer is your brother. such a tragedy
Right?!! And after they watched their Dad pass away in front of their eyes. It makes my stomach turn to even imagine. Heartbroken for him for sure. That trauma probably sticks with you - where you hate that date each year. It’s just so much. Too much.
I agree with everything you said aside from "later finding out that her killer is your brother". Maybe I don't know the whole story, but she said that he woke up and went to get his mother, saw her, and ran to the neighbor's house. She didn't say he looked for his brother, as well. I would think that that meant that he knew it was his brother instinctively if he didn't look for him like he did for his mom.
@@Samantha-qj9wq exactly. How would you instinctively think "Oh it's my brother" without checking on him unless Zach had a history of violence, which I can't remember if it was mentioned in the video
My aunt was the lunch lady at his school. She said he was always so respectful and normal. Grew up in his home town so this one’s so close to home. So crazy how it can be anyone!!
Actually being in his classes, and listening to him speak, he wasn’t normal at all. You could feel such an off vibe about him. I knew he’d kill someone one day. I really thought he’d shoot Station Camp up.
I think this young man is on the spectrum but was never assessed. All his social skills point to that. Without a diagnosis at a young age he would not have gotten the correct support and guidance.
I also think he might be laughing at things the voices are saying. It’s almost like when you’re trying to talk and pay attention and you have a friend whispering things making you laugh. Like that’s what it looks like. He’s trying to listen to Phil and ignore them and then they say something he can’t ignore and laughs
Or like being in the middle of a conversation and what you're talking about makes you think of something stupid you watched on TH-cam and for a second you forget you're talking with somebody and just start laughing out loud. Good lord my brain is going to have a stroke after seeing this run on sentence a couple of times lol
nah it is a nervous laugh, like one you do when you feel awkward. It is precisely that. What is creepy is that this happens when talking about something mundane that you are unsure of how it will be taken by the person listening. The fact that the brutal murder of his mother falls into this category is creepy as hell
Honestly he was deprived from help for a very long time and this is one of those occasions where I really feel the culprit should’ve pled insanity and got sent to a hospital. He genuinely needed it.
@@ruqayyahqadri8180 I'm not sure how that applies here. Broadmoor is a psychiatric hospital in England. This case took place in the US and is subject to US law. It honestly IS difficult here to be found not guilty by reason of mental defect. In my opinion, this case fit the definition to a 'T'. Additionally, it would not surprise me to learn that Zachary's brother assaulted him in *some* fashion (having four older brothers, I saw a lot of goofing off that got out of hand because someone got hurt or got the upper hand leading to further humiliation - usually having rug burns administered or soap scraped on their teeth, etc.) and his mother's dismissal of his complaint caused further anger and resentment to brew.
I've seen the Dr. Phil episode and I honestly haven't thought about this case for years, but your video has made me look at this case in a whole new light Eleanor. I think the fact that Melanie, Zach's mother stopped taking him to therapy when he was clearly mentally unwell says a lot about her character. Also her being in denial about Zach being allegedly assaulted combined with her allegedly neglecting her children after their father died adds to this for me. There was clearly more going on with that family in their house then anyone knew, to what extent no one will know but it isn't just as simple and uncomplicated to say Zach simply did this because he was mentally unwell and crazy
@Moebym you obviously didn’t read my comment, I thought one way about the case until Eleanor showed us the truth of the situation. You are totally undermining the hard work that Eleanor does and you can keep your one-sided and uninformed opinions to yourself
I was just thinking that. He nods his head like something imitating a human nodding their head. Like a marionette that somebody is not so good at working with
My dad had MND. It was the most hardest thing to watch. He couldn't talk for 2 years so I became fluent in grunts to understand what he wanted. At the end you're literally watching skin and bones dying because they can't eat or drink. It's the most horrible thing. He died on Christmas day and it's been nearly 2 years since he died. My mental state after dealing with everything isn't the same.
I completely get you. My dad passed from MND 11 years ago and it is traumatising. I am scared to vomit as I watched him chock on it constantly. Your mental state honestly is never the same
I really do believe the sexual assault because of the no showering, the fact that they only argued about that, the fact that he wrote it all in his journal when he was so honest about his feelings regarding the deaths and other things. Etc
the journal is what convinced me. the murder was only premeditated that day, so it’s not like he was writing fake journal entries for years to one day use it as a reason for why he killed josh.
Y’all are forgetting he is schizophrenic. They sometimes have delusions that look very real and vivid to them. To the point they will actually think these events happened. I honestly think this is what happened and he wrote it down because to him it was real. But honestly I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure if he was sexually assaulted or not because of his illness and who would ever admit to doing something like this regardless of if it’s true or not.
Just because he wrote it in a journal doesn't make it necessarily true. He could have made himself believe what happened was the truth, therefore he created this reality where it did happen when actuality it didn't
Hi Eleanor, I have a case suggestion for you if you want to look into it. In 2014, Jack David Smith and Amanda Bowen murdered Tina Goble, Cainie Johnson Jr, and 8 year old Trinity Maynard during a break in. After the victims were killed, Smith and Bowen set fire to the house in an attempt to cover up evidence of the murder and robbery. There's a fair amount of information about the case online, if a bit dispersed. I recommend this case because I'm a relative of one of the victims (I'm being vague for privacy purposes). This case greatly affected my family and has many of the hallmarks of the cases that you tend to cover. If you decide to cover this case, I would be happy to provide details and clarification. Please let me know if you're interested.
you are one of the only true crime youtuber who is really respectful.A lot of the other youtubers have scary music in the background as if it’s a horror story.We really appreciate you el ❤
100% agree! Eleanor treats these cases as we all should, she treats them with respect, honesty, and passion. definite bonus points for the comprehensive TWs too!
I haven't finished the video but my godfather has schizophrenia. He had a history of crime before being diagnosed and treated. I wasn't allowed to see him for a while. He also has a history of being abused by his parents. Insurance is shit so he sometimes has to be unmedicated and he will isolate himself. He gave up rights to his kiddo to keep him safe. It breaks my heart. We need better care for misunderstood mental illness.
@Diluc thank you. It's definitley tough to see I can't imagine going through it. And although I don't agree with what he did. I feel for this guy. And I do wonder if it would've happened had he had proper care
I agree 100%! God bless all the mentally ill patients and people in this world that are being ignored misdiagnosed mistreated and are wondering homeless Lee a very broken system.
My heart goes out to the mother and Josh, of course. But looking at the history, like stopping to go to therapy when he was 11, I believe what Zachary says regarding the negligence of his mother & the assault by his brother. He was so detailed about it and even saying things like "not wanting to shower" - that's a common red flag parents could take notes of to suspect if their child has been sexually abused. I don't care if Zachary was the one who wanted to stop coming to therapies when he was 11, he was a child, he couldn't know better. His mental illness should've been treated and it could've prevented this from happening.
This. You don’t stop getting your child treatment for a treatable condition simply because they don’t like it. You wouldn’t stop giving a diabetic insulin, so why would you stop treatment for a mentally ill child.
You forget that he was heavily into true crime. He could have easily come across a lot of information about the signs of abuse and just used it to make his lies more believable.
Another reason why it could be so detailed is that schizophrenia makes some people with it suffer delusions that seem so real and vivid that they think it actually happened. I don’t think we’ll ever know if it happened or not.
@@Tre.1 I think it did happen to him, just not actually. Or, to word it better, I think he really did experience it but I think it was due to his mental illness
@Tre what makes that interesting is that if that is the case it means that even if it didn't actually happen, to him it did. To him he was actually physically violated.
I had a friend in college who had a psychotic break after some kids spiked his drink with LSD as a teen. He was never the same. He once thought he had been sexually assaulted by orderlies in a psychiatric ward when in reality they were restraining him to inject him. His paranoia was out of control where he would think we had cursed him out when in fact we were sitting in silence. He began to think people were werewolves. It was very sad but it seemed very real to him but he was aware enough to go back for more treatment. It seems sad that treatment wasn’t sought in this case.
This is the problem with psychedelics that isn't spoken about anywhere near enough. They are just promoted as some hippy, mind opening, peaceful happy time and perfectly safe. In a number of people they will cause a psychotic break and permanent damage. I have seen it first hand, and spent a long time surrounded by people who would always have a pocket full of LSD, some even from since before I was born and they told many a sad story.
I had a mate at school, a metel head that loved guitar and weed. Maybe 6 years after school I saw him on the train station so said hello, he talked monotone like this bloke and said he had just got out of a psych ward having eaten to many magic mushrooms. He said he had to learn how to do everything again, talk, eat, walk and he still had flashbacks that put him into that shroom state of mind every now and then. Totally ruined his life.
I definitely believe his brother assaulted him. This case is so sad because it could’ve potentially been avoided if he was receiving regular treatment when he was first diagnosed :(
I definitely agree !! So weird how no one believes him but if his own bro did this and his mom wouldn’t believe him no wonder he said fuck everyone soo sad FR
I feel like he would have killed his brother similarly to his mom if he did assault him. To get his anger out on him for what he did. He didn’t touch his brother and just set the fire, which seems more passive to me than the brutality done on his mom. If they both wronged him like he says. But maybe part of his anger towards his mom was her dismissing what his brother did? I’m not sure
@@samanthagraham8649 nah if he was too scared of him to even shower he probably went out of his way to stay as far away as possible from him - fear of your r*pist doesn't just go away like that and fear tends to be more powerful than hatred. that's my opinion anyway,,,
The way he nods up and his voice puts me on edge and the fact he started all the voices and the horrors started after the dad died is heartbreaking because you can see the relationship they had. The brother is horrid because why would Zachary lie about that when he was telling the truth about everything else even straight up admitted to the murder and fire.
Pretty odd he put the sexual abuse into his diary where he didn't expect others to read about it too. Who lies about that and goes "Oh yea I should put that in my journal diary just in case it needs to add up later,"? The assault sounded graphic and who wouldn't adamantly deny it? Brother is suspish but the head smasher is no better
It could also have just been the psychosis making him believe that his brother sexually assaulted him, similar to how he heard his dad talking. When my sister was in the worst of her psychosis she accused her kids father of sexually assaulting them, but then when she was levelled out on medication realized it wasn’t true. She would believe all sorts of paranoid thoughts about everyone and would say things happened that never did until she was forced to take meds.
@@jessiewilkinson520 idk it's also different she might have been reading into her kids behavior or something happened to her and in her psychosis was projecting it onto her own kids, cause I've seen that too. I'm not a doctor. But I worked on psyc floor with some violent ppl and we had a women attack her BD claimed he bad touched their kids, come to find out her dad had done it to her, and after she had kids she just snapped cause it wasn't resolved...and this is how it was projected. So even his SA claims what if it was the dead dad or a mom's bf and maybe it focused on brother cause he wasn't a victim like him. We might not ever know unless there is proof. It just isn't normal to voice SA scenarios in psych breaks without some kinda truth/root cause behind it. Even religious psych breaks have a root cause....
I mean why wouldn't he lie? He's a killer. He blamed his mom for her own murder using weak excuses, and then he blamed his brother for assault and claimed that was the reason he did it. He's grasping for excuses that make him the victim, because he doesn't want to face the consequences of his actions; because he knows 'I was bitter my mom moved on and my brother isn't my bff anymore' isn't an excuse that justifies cold-blooded murder to a jury. I really don't think it's appropriate for people to be making public assertions of guilt toward a person whose only accuser is the guy who killed his mom. Imagine he's innocent and comes across this comment chain. What a horrible insult to injury for someone who has experienced so much loss.
@@Jillworrell22 I have also seen that scenario happen quite a few times. I think people who have been abused as kids can be hyperaware, then when they have mental illness they can misinterpret things, or convince themselves it's happening to their own kids/relatives. As you say projecting their childhood abuse onto a loved one but also get stuck in a loop of believing a series of thoughts are reality & that can be very difficult to break.
I was my dad’s primary carer in his last years when he was dying from Parkinson’s and ALS, and it was hell for both of us. I watched those diseases slowly rob the best man I ever knew of him everything; his independence, his mobility, his agility, his speech and ability to communicate, his mind, and finally his dignity. It’s a death I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
I'm actually watching and taking care of my husband who is suffering with HUNTINGTONS DISEASE..it's just like the disease you mentioned... He's on Hospice now but it's very sad to watch someone who was so healthy become so sick and bedridden..it's just draining and I know our kids are hurting too... So I can definitely relate to that...
I once had a patient with Chorea Huntington Disease and she lives a good and independent life! I wish u and your husband much strength and never lose hope 🍀
I'm so sorry for what you and your husband are going through...it's such a tragedy and very traumatic. I will pray for both of you, that God will comfort him as he battles this debilitating disease, and for God to give you the strength you need to help him through this.
So, if I had seen stories like this before I had kids I would NEVER have had kids. Second: I have a close friend who’s nephew is schizophrenic and bipolar. He would sit on her couch and tell her crazy things, like he was locked up in cages as a kid and just crazy off the wall things that he SWORE happened, but they never ever did.
My grandfather has a rare form of ALS he was diagnoised 22yrs ago he still walks with a walker, he swims, he gardens, he lives with my grandmother who has dementia in their own home, he is the longest living survivor of this form of ALS
I lost my beautiful mom to mnd disease (ALS) she had the bulbar palsy form, she only lived for 9 months from first diagnosis. It was utterly devastating especially how young she was. Hearing about your grandfather warmed my heart, I only hope one day they find a cure for this horrific disease. Best wishes to you & your family from the UK 💖
So far I've gotten to the part where you say how horrible it must be to watch someone you love go through ALS, and it is, but I can also tell you how horrible it is to watch someone you hate go through it. I wouldn't wish ALS on my worst enemy. I know it for sure because the person I hated the most (an old friend of my parents) ended up with ALS, and suddenly I was bending over backwards to help my mom take care of this guy who, mere months before, I had only wanted out of my life forever. I did everything I could to help try to improve the quality of what life he had left. He didn't live very long after his diagnosis and despite her efforts I think he was miserable for most of that time. This was years ago and it still feels bad even now. Sure I wanted him out of my life, but not like that.
As a mother of 4 all with mental illness. My 15 y/o son has schizophrenia, depression & many other diagnosis. He has refused to go to therapy since the age of 10. I would take him and he wouldn’t interact then would refuse to go then be dropped. So I can see where this man was not it therapy. It’s extremely hard and frustrating to try to make someone go to therapy, if they don’t want help they wont be helped.
If it's any consolation at all, I have a disorder called schizoaffective, which in my case is schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and when I was a child/teenager I was also refusing therapy and was not compliant with medication, but now that I am in my 20's and I'm older, I am now the opposite and regret being non compliant. The more you try to force it and there feels less of a choice, the more we refuse, but even with the others like me I've met, we tend to go through so much with it and change entirly, but it's really a case of it being presented as a choice. Stay strong, it must be really hard and I really look up to you.
Bless you and your family. I have a family member that is manic bi polar and schizophrenic... I can't imagine what your family is struggling with right now. My aunt has been in and out of institutions since the 1970's... on and off again medication. Her parents struggled to keep her in medical care but the way it's handled is awful. She has been a ward of the state since she was 25.
Yep I feel frustrated by the comments who are blaming the mother and saying it's her fault for not taking him to therapy. Raising children alone is hard, raising them alone when they have additional challenges like a mental or physical illness is even harder. Getting them to do things they do not want to do can be impossible. Also if she was battling her own mental illness with minimal support do you expect her to be a super perfect mother? Mums are people too! And I am not saying there's no possibility that the mother was being neglectful but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of extreme neglect like what people are implying outside of her murderers word.
He confessed to everything, and admitted he wished he could go back and end his brother too in the interview, and people do get resent for parents when they don't get help for SA, I really do not think he is lying about his brother, it wouldn't make sense. I believe he was assaulted.
If you knew more about the illness you might understand better. The reason I say this.. my aunt is a bi-polar manic schizophrenic. In HER reality, her father she believes to her core that her father had tried to kill her multiple times. She has also accused my grandmother of poisoning her. She can give detailed accounts.. and I mean it's like you are there it's so detailed. She told me once about an incident in which her father bashed her feet on concrete blocks, leaving her unable to walk. These things never happened... but the hallucinations are their reality. It's really a terrible illness. Very heartbreaking because I know in her realities those things happened.... but in actual reality she's just ill.
I’ve seen you write this out twice and I have to comment: bi-polar manic schizophrenic is not a thing. You can have bipolar (no hyphen) and schizophrenia but there’s no need to add mania to the list - it’s not a diagnosis it’s a symptom that’s implied with the bipolar one diagnosis. If your aunt has the type of bipolar that gets mania - it’s referred to as Bipolar 1. (Bipolar 2 only goes as high as hypomania - no psychosis not as severe) So I’d say it’s better to describe your aunt as Bipolar 1 and schizophrenic IMO. Not having a go, just a subject that’s close to my heart.
@@CassTheStinkyChickenthat’s fair enough. It was called manic depression back then so she’s doing well to refer to it as bipolar if she got diagnosed that long ago.
Zachary seems like he was on the spectrum as well. As you’re describing him as a younger child. It reminds me so much of my child who is also on the spectrum. Makes me wonder if things could have been different if things had been taken more seriously.
i remember hearing this story but never really looked into it too much, idk why. but it’s honestly very sad what he had to go through. yes killing someone isn’t right ever. but he wasn’t right and never got help. it’s so sad all around.
Thank you for taking the time to talk about ALS ! It brings awareness to the disease that doesn't yet have a cure ! talking about it will hopefully bring awareness in hopes of people donating to continue to work on a cure. It's a horrific disease. Having a family member with the disease is absolutely heartbreaking and a very difficult journey on the person diagnosed and their family.
I honestly believe him. I have a brother who is schizophrenic and I can’t imagine untreated on top of sexual abuse and neglect I can see where this would’ve escalated that way it seemed like she didn’t really care too much about helping him. Poor guy, on the other hand I know that doesn’t mean she deserved to lose her life. just an overall sad situation.
yea I've got schizophrenic family as well and honestly my mom attacked my aunt with a sledgehammer like this back in the 80s but since she was a GIRL and she didn't die they just like, pretended it didn't happen lol gotta love america 💀💀💀
My grandmother passed away from als in 2008. It is heartbreaking watching her go from healthy to needing help with literally everything. I still breakdown sometimes because she was my queen. She was only 48 and I was going to the 5th grade at the time.
Zachary doesn’t seem scary to me at all.. he seems horribly broken and neglected by those that needed to help guide him through his pain. He already had mental disorders of some kind then obviously traumatized by the slow death of his father and ultimately left alone to deal with it all. He’s a very real example of how our society has no real clue of dealing with “different” people.. So they end up in prison or on the streets. He was just a child.. so very heartbreaking and to think he’s still probably not getting any real help since it’s easier to see him as a “demon” or a living presence of evil. I just see a young man that never got the very real help he needed as a child with mental disorders and a lot of very real trauma to add to it.
I actually went to school with him. I wouldn't say I was friends with him but we did talk occasionally. Also there were rumors saying he had a crush on me. I don't know how true that is. He was always a loner and didn't seem to have many if any friends. I know people see him as this cold blooded killer but what I see is so different. I see a young man who was so troubled and lonely that he finally lost it. I just wish either myself or someone else took the time to see how troubled he was and spoke up to get him some help.
@@dominiquexo4772 maybe she did, but it sounds like he didn't want friends or didn't know how to be friends with people even if they tried. Or maybe she just didn't want to be. That's OK too.
Hi Eleanor, I’m hoping you’d cover a local case that has made more recent developments. Its of Christopher Clements, who kidnapped and killed Maribel Gonzales in 2014. He was just found guilty this year, and is connected to the death of Isabel Celis in 2012. Clements is going on trial for Isabel’s murder in February, but I still feel as though these cases have not gotten enough widespread coverage. This was absolutely devastating to hear about both this year and when I was younger. If anyone else wants to look into this further, please do, but just note that it is completely horrific what happened. I know I’m a bit late on this video but hopefully it gains enough momentum.
My sister has schizophrenia and while many events are perceived through her warped view on life, the big stories are truthful. His very clear and descriptive account of his mother’s neglect and brother’s assault is very unlikely to be false. It makes sense that this pushed him too far as I know how schizophrenia is triggered.
@@darthphilfy She wore more when she was heavier I think because she lacked confidence and the makeup made her feel better. Now she has lost weight and seems to feel more comfortable in her skin so that's why she does a more natural approach to makeup now I believe. She was stunning either way and at any size, this is just what I've perceived from being a fan for years, and as someone bigger myself and a redhead as well I totally get why she did it that way before and now.
He’s clearly really sick and I’m glad he’s paying for what he did, because he deserves it, but his family did fail him as well, what he said about his brother is awful. I hope he’s getting the help he deserves.
My grandmama passed away from ALS when I was ten so hearing it as a content warning is in a weird way nice??? I just mean that no one talks about it and it’s a terrifying and incurable disease. It’s horrible to watch someone go through because they are essentially trapped in their body. Their mind is fully functioning but their body won’t move. My mom went through hell watching her mom suffer but she always said she knew her mom wanted to be with her husband (who passed in a car accident about 11 years earlier). Hearing people talk about it is a really good feeling and people should be more aware and educated on it. ❤❤ love Eleanor always ❤❤
ALS ? it was called motor neurone syndrome for decades ! It's a very cruel illness Very hard on the family too His mother was clearly mourning the lose of her husband (possibly clinically depressed) hence the reason she neglected her young teenage son's needs.Ulimately it was a tragedy waiting to happen. My question is WHERE WAS THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT FOR THAT FAMILY IN THEIR TIME OF NEED ??? 😔
can’t wait to dive into this one! been curious about this case since I first saw that interview but haven’t even really watched anything else about it for whatever reason. thanks in advance for your hard work! 💖
It’s been so nice watching Eleanor grow through the years; she’s taken so many of the lessons she’s learned as a true crime TH-cam creator and applied them to really improve and expand upon her content. While I find stories of patricide/matricide to be some of the most disturbing to me personally, Eleanor tells this one with both the sensitivity and sensibility that marks her much respected style.
Well done, that was a tough one. Even on meds a friend of mine who was diagnosed schizophrenic was on his meds He contacted me and some other friends saying I can’t get the voices to stop, can’t get the right medical person on the phone and was at his max of meds. It doesn’t take the voices away, we cannot fathom how disturbed this disease makes us. It’s not an excuse for murder but it is a reason you would self harm etc. I would say his fantasy about his brother would be part of paranoid schizophrenia, I worked with a woman who had this and they think total strangers want to sexually assault them. The drugs numb the emotions and incapacitate a lot of brain function. So sad re his dads passing that’s tough on a really together family unit, I would say after nursing her husband and dealing with her son she was probably completely burnt out and traumatised too. The whole thing is so sad and destructive to everyone. My heart goes out to them all. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Medication unfortunately for most of us only dampen voices rather than get rid of them entirely but it's to make it manageable and to also help negative symptoms and delusions, I hope your friend is doing okay
The first thing that occurred to me when I saw Zachary's face in profile was the 'Hapsburg Jaw'. This is caused by inbreeding, which makes me wonder if this was responsible for his schizophrenia. Having such a large jaw causes speech impediments, which is probably why he talked the way he did. I think more went on in this house that ever came to light, and the story about his brother could be true. When he told his mum about it, she dismissed it. I think that when the father died she found it hard to come to terms with his death and instead of being there for her sons, just left them to cope on their own. Having to fend for yourself after the death of your father is very harsh. It is the parent left behind that should be caring for their kids. At the age that the two boys were was too young to start cooking and washing for yourself, especially if you've never done it before. As a parent, your grief comes second to your children's. It is your job to love, support and protect your children.
I’m not the only one who noticed the Hapsburg jaw! As for the SA accusations against his brother, yes, they could be true, but a big part of Schizophrenia is that they tend to manufacture false memories of events that never happened, but they are 100% convinced that the event(s) actually did take place.
I watched the police interview in full, at the end they ask him why he looks up through his eyebrows and if he knows it looks evil and he gets straight up giddy at the suggestion. It’s chilling. He definitely needed help.
I’m not sure why TH-cam hasn’t been sending me notifications for your channel but at least now I have a bunch of new videos to binge! Thank you Eleanor ❤️
Sometimes my phone won't get notifications from some youtubers if I get a bunch of notifications after having my phone off for quite some time or I'm away from WiFi for a while too(it's not activated, as it was given to me by a friend and I haven't bought myself a newer phone nor have I taken to get this one activated)
i watch all your videos, you put so much effort into them and detail. I appreciate everything you do its getting there story out there and now people will remember people/victims even more. keep up the great storytelling on cases your great at it.
Oh my goodness, I did actually catch this case somewhere else on TH-cam and remember hearing his voice and it actually did really send shivers down my spine. Sad that he didn't get the continuous help professionally but what's even worse is that a family have been totally destroyed. Thank you for covering yet another Case for us. XX
icl, as a victim of SA- i do believe him. Of course SA affects everyone differently and it is most certainly not an excuse to brutally harm someone else, but I believe him and I think unless you've experienced the brutal pain of SA (physically and mentally), it is easy to say to not be as compassionate. I pray for his mother to rest in peace and I pray for Zachary to find peace- honestly, living with the memories of SA is extremely painful. I hope anyone who as unfortunately suffered SA, can find peace and absolute happiness as you deserve no less. It does get better :)
Thank you Eleanor, I usually watch 2 of your videos every week and it's my weekly dose of true crime. Your channel Is so so informative and creative. I love you so so much thank you for your videos x
"He was obsessed with true crime"... LOL! I already get side-eyed with the amount I watch, this really doesn't help 😅. Though context usually helps. I have a VERY boring, hour-long, weekly task, that I just can't do without entertainment (ADD). Your voice and way of storytelling are just the perfect amount of interesting without being distracting, so I don't make mistakes with my task. You could be talking about the origin of sunflower seeds and I would still be watching, because you would manage to frame it just the right way. Plus: I adore your accent! 🥰
What a shame he didnt get the mental health help he so desperately needed. My brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, one of the most gentle souls you could ever meet. He had the full support of our parents and us siblings and a fantastic mental health team. I was the oldest but he was a lot taller than me (my big baby brother) and he was my best friend. He passed away unexpectedly in his sleep a few days after his 39th birthday in 2019 and we've never really recovered from losing him. I miss him so much.
I've never heard of this case before and Zachary is just a scary individual for what he did as well as how he speaks when he got interviewed on Dr Phil.
I saw the interview with Dr Phil and I've never forgotten him if I'm trying to describe evil to anyone he's the first person I try to explain. In my opinion he's what evil means, absolutely no emotions or inflections in his voice I can't think of anyone better to cover this case with her usual compassion for the victim and the family while giving us a great all round case Thanks Eleanor you're the best x
@@leejianne5342 evil is not real lol, you get out of a person exactly what is put into them. idiots will go "i was traumatized but i didnt become like this" and im like no shit trauma is not equal. there are different types of trauma, with different severity, and based on your life previous different people will learn different things from the traumatic event. people who think someone can be "evil" are just being ignorant because they are too lazy to think or because they want to feel superior to someone else who has had a way harder life than them. trauma victims dont just magically cease to be victims when they become violent and antisocial.
As someone who’s grandad had mnd it was honestly the most heartbreaking thing for me to live with. But my grandad Roy kept going for years he was so strong ❤
My father died of ALS I was only 8 when he passed. He was 46. It's definitely the biggest part of why I have my mental health issues. It is absolutely heartbreaking watching your daddy wither away. Especially cause I was a huge daddies girl. RIP daddy...
Josh literally lost everyone here; his father, mother and brother. I feel so terrible for him honestly, i hope he is getting the help and support he deserves. 😢
The time stamp for those who need it for this is: 06:20 for mnd/als. My nanna had motor neurone disease. She passed away after a 1.5 year battle at 73. She was the strongest lady I’ve ever met. I love your videos but conversation about mnd I’ll be skipping forward and listening to the rest, thank you for the content warning Eleanor❤ grateful for the subtitles so I could skip it completely.
@@zobizobizobi thank you ❤️ I can be okay some days but other not. It’s grieving at the end of the day, I’ll always be grieving over so much of it. But thank you for your kindness
@@Jess-3 absolutely understandable. honestly i find it very strong for you to be open about it and honour your feelings. it’s an extremely difficult thing to go through and im sure she’d be so so proud of you 🥰
He's like a real life Sling Blade. I feel so bad for his brother. Can't imagine dealing with all that loss and being the person to find your mother like that...
@@zunairafaiz372 "Sling Blade" is a movie about an adult male who is released from prison for killing his moher & her lover. The male is played by Billy Bob Thorton & has a psychotic disorder & he grunts like Zachary.
An interesting quirk I noticed was during the interview he would nod his head by going up first instead of down. Most people nod their heads down then up, but Zachary does the opposite. It’s interesting to see too. It’s the kind of nod you’d expect someone to pair with saying “yo what’s up bro?” Or something of the sort.
Still the creepiest Dr. Phil interview ever. That voice, gives me chills. Dr. Phil has my respect for not flinching there, I would be fucking terrified
@@wildbeautyunderneath4735 Nah. He doesn't go to the camp himself, he wouldn't have known the people were treating the kids poorly. People just want to cancel him because they are bored, and find it fun to ruin people's lives.
@@mooma10 So because they aren't responsible making sure where they send kids/teens is safe makes it okay? With all the claims as well if you heard that hey the camp you send people to have serious claims, and or actual death you might I don't know do research. So they are just a cash grabber wanting attention and fame, without even trying to truly help people. Similar to make other talkshow stars, they just care about looking good while doing awful things.
@@wildbeautyunderneath4735 Did I say that? No. He has been and checked it, things can seem pretty on the outside and be evil on the inside. He's not to blame in that situation at all, the abusers are. Stop blaming the innocent, just like I said, you're bored and like to ruin people's lives for fun.
@@mooma10 Innocent? Not even close. Vet the place you are sending youths. Doesn't matter who thinks they are trouble, their claims mean something. They should not be isolated, or raped, or tortured. It's similar with boarding schools, no one cared about the abuse there until Paris Hilton came out about their time there. Suddenly, the world cared about all those claims building up over years, and slowly rules changed. Which those kids still aren't safe. Oprah's school in Africa also had its sure of things that should have never happened. Doesn't matter though you put your name on this place, it is your responsibility for it. If you have the claims then figure out why no matter what, or better yet find better places. Or even better actually try to help the youths, not just tossing them away pretty much. Give them skills, and make them safe. If you can't see the issue with not following the claims he heard, or stop sending youths to there altogether putting them in harms way you are not worth talking to. Being blind isn't the answer we need to stop writing of famous people for allowing awful behavior just because they are famous. Phil is not innocent they blood is on his hands, and those living with the damage are his fault. He deserves jail, and to have his life ruined. Just as anyone that stands by and lets abuse happen should get.
Agreed, but as a kid with a mentally ill suicidal mom at 15, it's hard to cook for your mom and brother daily, clean the house, grocerie shopping, take care of literally everything In the house while also having lots of homework/ exams after school. You have stress from school, your home situation and not having any chance to relax and be a 'normal' 15 year old. You can't go to your mom with your problems, since she has her own. You're all on your own at that point.
I absolutely love you Eleanor! Thank you so much for posting, and being here. You are my favorite TH-camr, and words can’t explain how much I love and appreciate you!♥️ you will forever be my number 1! I LOVE U
my grandad had motor neurone disease, and it was awful watching him go from a fully active man who was a great physics teacher, a man who took me on adventures when i was little and told me all about his adventures around the world in countries like the seychelles and india, to a man who was wheel chair bound, and had to have his food blended and drank through a straw. it’s an awful and heartbreaking disease. he passed in 2015, so a long time ago now but it still hurts. great video as always eleanor xx
I’m personally shocked that he wasn’t found not guilty by way of insanity because he is clearly obviously mental and needs a hospital rather than prison
This case is very..hm I don’t really know how to feel abt this one, though it’s a shame his mother had to be so brutally murdered. Great vid as always!
I lost a dear, dear friend to ALS over the course of no more than a couple of months. It’s a hideous thing for which the “victim” is left to deal, and most often, the families are not prepared in dealing with this disease before it ultimately takes the life of the one who is suffering with it. It is absolutely a horrendous diagnosis, and my heart always goes out to those who’re suffering with it…as well as the families who are left to face ALS’s “consequences”.
6:42 Honestly, she might have stopped taking him because she couldn't afford it anymore. The U.S. isn't known for its affordable healthcare. Therapy is expensive, and many struggle to afford it. I'm not say that she couldn't afford it or whatever I'm simply saying it's a possibility.
eleanor!! i’d love for you to cover an australian case, its called the daniel morcombe case (idk how to spell his last name) but it’s so so so big in australia. it’s recently been solved, i don’t know to what extent because it took so long after the actually crime was committed, and a lot of people don’t actually know what happened still. in australia (im not sure if this is everywhere but i live in qld and im pretty sure this happened in qld or nsw), but we have daniel morcombe day wear everyone wears red, it’s mostly done in like primary schools and stuff but it’s still pretty big. this case also introduced a really important law in australia that says that any child in a school uniform must be allowed on a bus even if they do not have a go card / bus money. this case is super super huge and personally, was my first introduction to this other side of the world, like as a 5 year old, I never knew this could happened, especially to children, and it was used to educate so so many kids!
i just moved into a beautiful house that was built in 1901 that was converted into upstairs and downstairs apartments. the Landlords nephew has the upstairs. the family pays for it because he has schizophrenia and cannot support himself. He is very odd, does strange things and has arguments with himself which I was told if I notice these behaviors to call family immediately and at times he's needed to be hospitalized. I think this case is so tragic. if he has had support this may have been avoided. This is just heartbreaking because I could see my neighbor getting confused and doing something awful but there is a large support system in place so he can live as normally as possible. Schizophrenia is no joke. love your channel ❤️
This is such a hard case as Zachary was very mentally ill and he had his brother SA-ing him but the way he killed his mother was awful and so brutal, you can just look at Zachary’s and tell something is off about him and it’s really unfortunate that he didn’t get the help he needed because his mother ghosted the therapist
My mother passed of ALS in 2001... took 3 years after her diagnosis... watching her die slowly, she lost her speech first, and begging me her to kill her because she couldn't speak and couldn't do things for herself anymore.. it's a different kind of horror. This case is sad all around. 😔
It's so sick how he killed her. I feel kinda sorry for Zachary though, it's very sad that he didn't get any treatment and his mother stopped taking him to therapy. I know how extreme schizophrenia can be and he should've gotten sent to a mental hospital. Also, I don't wanna say it didn't happen, but there's a possibility that the sexual assault was just a delusion/psychosis and he thinks it's real because those can be really vivid an feel real. Obviously it could be real but as someone who has dealt with psychosis themselves i know some things that didn't happen could feel like they actually happened. (Edited bc i hadn't watched the full video before commenting)
🙏🙏🙏🙏 you have no idea how much I've been wanting to hear Zachary Davis' story. All I've ever been able to find are a couple clips on Dr. Phil. and that's it.
Can't believe he was diagnosed with Schizophrenia but never treated....it was never going to just go away!
I can’t believe he was diagnosed with schizophrenia (prior to any of this) and was found to be fit to stand trial and was tried as an adult even though he was a child 🤷🏼♀️
The kid was clearly very mentally ill and possibly mentally disabled
seems like his mother also had a factor to this case. should have tried helping him out more, though her death can never be blamed on her
This is my life right now. My brother stabbed my dad repeatedly . We are still glad he survived, but now he has facial paralysis among other things.
The mental evaluation showed that he seems to have schizophrenia that has been untreated, so the court let him of easy with the promise that instead of jail he will go to an institution. The court required monthly updates.
And my mom found a place that would take him and told the court what the plan was, and…..didn’t do any of it when he was released. It’s been a week and we are all so worried. She blocked all of us on social media and phone. 😣
@@adri9795 oh my god! I hope your dad is ok!
@@adri9795 Are you worried he may hurt someone else? I don’t want to overstep my place here but if you want him to be institutionalized maybe you or someone else can call the police, his parole officer, the district attorney or someone else that is involved with his case. I would want my brother to get the help he’s obviously in need of and I’m sorry but he still needs to pay for the crime he committed. Please understand that I mean no disrespect to you or your dad. I wanted to let you know how I would do things if I were in your shoes. I’m so sorry about your dad too.
Eleanor my criminology teacher literally recommended your channel to our class (although I’ve been a fan for a while) BUT YOUR NOW LITERALLY PART OF MY EDUCATION!!
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im y13 now but at the start of y12 crim the entire first lesson was lit based around her vids it was sick, the rest of crim is so dead though
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That’s awesome!
It's not often that Dr Phil isn't the creepiest one in the room.
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I honestly completely believe the SA story
People are most honest in their diaries
Not to mention the whole "not showering for days because he was afraid of his brother walking in on him" that is SO SO real he actually couldn't have made this shit up.
He also just has absolutely no reason to lie about that, he gains nothing from it.
Especially for a boy. In the US it's rare that boys/men speak up about being SA'd/graped because of what society says. I believe him as well.
amazing he still got sent to jail for 70 years, instead of mental hospital...
It's not that simple though. It's not a matter of just truth or lie when psychosis is in the mix, he could really think it happened and have all the trauma associated with that without it having actually happened. Tbh his mother didn't help with the situation either, both for stopping taking him to therapy and treatment and for the way she dealt with the SA situation (whether real or not)
All in all, I find it outrageous that he was deemed fit to stand trial. He's the textbook definition of criminally insane, he should have been sent to a mental facility to get treatment. It's really sad that justice systems are more concerned with demonizing people and getting this twisted sense of revenge and satisfaction at seeing a criminal getting punished than with actually prioritizing fairness and doing what's best for everyone
@@comdrive3865 Because it seems there's no evidence that his crime was caused by mental illness. Even if he is truly schizophrenic (and I'm not sure he is), he still murdered his mother and attempted to murder his brother _with the knowledge and understanding that it was wrong._ The fact that he had a bag packed and fled is evidence that he knew what he was doing was wrong and/or unlawful.
(In some states, there's a verdict available called "guilty but mentally ill," which indicates that the jury believes the person is mentally ill but also knew they were committing a crime and could have chosen not to do so. A person who receives this verdict goes to a secure mental health facility and receives treatment, but instead of being released upon successful treatment -- which is what happens to people found NGRI -- they are released to jail/prison to serve the remainder of their sentence.)
he is schizophrenic, even in his diary he is not a reliable source
The fact that he was so detailed about his sexual assault & continuously brought it up … I honestly believe him. His brother was probably effected from the way their mother treated them
I suspect it was a delusion caused by his schizophrenia, which he truly believes happened. Psychosis and schizophrenia can cause very vivid "memories" and dreamlike experiences which the sufferer will believe to be the absolute truth despite them never happening.
I don't believe for a second that his brother harmed him in any way at all. Zachary's mental health was in a truly terrible state, he wasn't receiving treatment for it, and he was already suffering delusions that his father was constantly speaking to him and instructing him. The sexual assault is undoubtedly not a real event.
I honestly believe him too.
I believe him to. And what breaks my heart is someone in my family tried to do something to my daughter thankfully I walked in. And when I called the cops they said that they is nothing to prove my story, so it’s just my word against him with no proof. And my daughters statement didn’t matter because she could have “Coerced” into saying that. Which breaks my heart wondering how many kids this happens to and there is nothing being done. And most times the parents don’t believe the kids. Which is more heart breaking 😢
I believe him to a degree, my theory is that this attack was a symptom of his mental health and was maybe a very vivid dream or a hallucination, so in his mind this did really happen but physically it didn't. Maybe he argued with his mum and she said he was a liar because she knew it couldn't have happened when he was saying it did, maybe Josh wasn't even home at the time. I find the whole story kinda off somewhere and I think it's that. It DID happen to him but not in the capacity he believes it happened 👀🤔💭
@@teetee7049 same
i can’t even imagine how josh must have felt that day. waking up to the fire alarm and trying to wake your mother, just to see that she’s been murdered, and later finding out that her killer is your brother. such a tragedy
Right?!! And after they watched their Dad pass away in front of their eyes. It makes my stomach turn to even imagine. Heartbroken for him for sure. That trauma probably sticks with you - where you hate that date each year. It’s just so much. Too much.
Unimaginable nightmare.
I agree with everything you said aside from "later finding out that her killer is your brother". Maybe I don't know the whole story, but she said that he woke up and went to get his mother, saw her, and ran to the neighbor's house. She didn't say he looked for his brother, as well. I would think that that meant that he knew it was his brother instinctively if he didn't look for him like he did for his mom.
@@Samantha-qj9wq Probably passed his brother bedroom and saw it empty?
@@Samantha-qj9wq exactly. How would you instinctively think "Oh it's my brother" without checking on him unless Zach had a history of violence, which I can't remember if it was mentioned in the video
My aunt was the lunch lady at his school. She said he was always so respectful and normal. Grew up in his home town so this one’s so close to home. So crazy how it can be anyone!!
Normal? Did she mention he sounds like a supervillain??
@@annageracoulis but it was said that he didn't really talk to anyone in school unless he really had to, so she wouldnt have heard his voice.
Obviously 🤣🤷🏻♀️ a monster doesn’t have a look
Actually being in his classes, and listening to him speak, he wasn’t normal at all. You could feel such an off vibe about him. I knew he’d kill someone one day. I really thought he’d shoot Station Camp up.
I think this young man is on the spectrum but was never assessed. All his social skills point to that. Without a diagnosis at a young age he would not have gotten the correct support and guidance.
I also think he might be laughing at things the voices are saying. It’s almost like when you’re trying to talk and pay attention and you have a friend whispering things making you laugh. Like that’s what it looks like. He’s trying to listen to Phil and ignore them and then they say something he can’t ignore and laughs
you just explained that perfectly!
Or like being in the middle of a conversation and what you're talking about makes you think of something stupid you watched on TH-cam and for a second you forget you're talking with somebody and just start laughing out loud. Good lord my brain is going to have a stroke after seeing this run on sentence a couple of times lol
I was actually thinking this too!
yes that’s exactly what i assumed. it looked like someone is leaning over talking to him
nah it is a nervous laugh, like one you do when you feel awkward. It is precisely that. What is creepy is that this happens when talking about something mundane that you are unsure of how it will be taken by the person listening. The fact that the brutal murder of his mother falls into this category is creepy as hell
Honestly he was deprived from help for a very long time and this is one of those occasions where I really feel the culprit should’ve pled insanity and got sent to a hospital. He genuinely needed it.
It is almost impossible to be found insane.
@@melissaharrison293 lol no it isn't. Broadmoor is full.
@@ruqayyahqadri8180 I'm not sure how that applies here. Broadmoor is a psychiatric hospital in England. This case took place in the US and is subject to US law. It honestly IS difficult here to be found not guilty by reason of mental defect. In my opinion, this case fit the definition to a 'T'. Additionally, it would not surprise me to learn that Zachary's brother assaulted him in *some* fashion (having four older brothers, I saw a lot of goofing off that got out of hand because someone got hurt or got the upper hand leading to further humiliation - usually having rug burns administered or soap scraped on their teeth, etc.) and his mother's dismissal of his complaint caused further anger and resentment to brew.
@@LQOTW that wasn't what I was responding to. I'm glad you are able to give your armchair diagnosis though.
I totally agree. It was unavoidable, no one wins 😔
I've seen the Dr. Phil episode and I honestly haven't thought about this case for years, but your video has made me look at this case in a whole new light Eleanor. I think the fact that Melanie, Zach's mother stopped taking him to therapy when he was clearly mentally unwell says a lot about her character. Also her being in denial about Zach being allegedly assaulted combined with her allegedly neglecting her children after their father died adds to this for me. There was clearly more going on with that family in their house then anyone knew, to what extent no one will know but it isn't just as simple and uncomplicated to say Zach simply did this because he was mentally unwell and crazy
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@Moebym you obviously didn’t read my comment, I thought one way about the case until Eleanor showed us the truth of the situation. You are totally undermining the hard work that Eleanor does and you can keep your one-sided and uninformed opinions to yourself
His voice alone sounds like he has been possessed by something demonic. Even the way he nods up instead of down is just so creepy. Gives me the chills
Noticed that too. So strange and creepy.
Reminds me of that movie slingblade..
His voice sent a chill up my spine
I'm very much a skeptic of anything supernatural, but demonic possession is one thing I do think exists. And I definitely believe Zachary is possessed
I was just thinking that. He nods his head like something imitating a human nodding their head. Like a marionette that somebody is not so good at working with
My dad had MND.
It was the most hardest thing to watch. He couldn't talk for 2 years so I became fluent in grunts to understand what he wanted. At the end you're literally watching skin and bones dying because they can't eat or drink. It's the most horrible thing. He died on Christmas day and it's been nearly 2 years since he died. My mental state after dealing with everything isn't the same.
i'm so sorry
Terrible disease 😢
I'm sorry you had to go through that, but he's in a better place now and isn't in pain
I’m so very sorry for your loss and I’m praying for you.
I completely get you. My dad passed from MND 11 years ago and it is traumatising. I am scared to vomit as I watched him chock on it constantly. Your mental state honestly is never the same
His voice is genuinely terrifying. I rarely get unnerved by things, but his voice is chilling
I really do believe the sexual assault because of the no showering, the fact that they only argued about that, the fact that he wrote it all in his journal when he was so honest about his feelings regarding the deaths and other things. Etc
He also has the scariest voice
the journal is what convinced me. the murder was only premeditated that day, so it’s not like he was writing fake journal entries for years to one day use it as a reason for why he killed josh.
Y’all are forgetting he is schizophrenic. They sometimes have delusions that look very real and vivid to them. To the point they will actually think these events happened. I honestly think this is what happened and he wrote it down because to him it was real.
But honestly I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure if he was sexually assaulted or not because of his illness and who would ever admit to doing something like this regardless of if it’s true or not.
Just because he wrote it in a journal doesn't make it necessarily true. He could have made himself believe what happened was the truth, therefore he created this reality where it did happen when actuality it didn't
@@gravityfalls1826 that's the problem with social media people speculate and accuse
“He was really into True Crime” 😂😂🤣 “which I know this is not really the audience to say that in front of” had me cracking 🤣
Hi Eleanor, I have a case suggestion for you if you want to look into it. In 2014, Jack David Smith and Amanda Bowen murdered Tina Goble, Cainie Johnson Jr, and 8 year old Trinity Maynard during a break in. After the victims were killed, Smith and Bowen set fire to the house in an attempt to cover up evidence of the murder and robbery. There's a fair amount of information about the case online, if a bit dispersed. I recommend this case because I'm a relative of one of the victims (I'm being vague for privacy purposes). This case greatly affected my family and has many of the hallmarks of the cases that you tend to cover. If you decide to cover this case, I would be happy to provide details and clarification. Please let me know if you're interested.
Omg I hope she sees this !!!!
@@byunniq9060 seriously the eye roll. Have a little bit of empathy come on.
@@byunniq9060 Wtf is your problem?
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I am not a real channel yet but working on it. If she doesn’t cover this or see this I’d love to do so if you’d like.
you are one of the only true crime youtuber who is really respectful.A lot of the other youtubers have scary music in the background as if it’s a horror story.We really appreciate you el ❤
100% agree! Eleanor treats these cases as we all should, she treats them with respect, honesty, and passion. definite bonus points for the comprehensive TWs too!
Georgia Marie, Coffeehouse Crime, and Dark Curiosities are a few TH-camrs who make solid and respectful true crime videos as well 🖤
Total agree with this!! One of the main reason why Eleanor is the only true crime TH-camr that I still watch! ❤
Georgia Marie
Stephanie Harlow
Danielle Hallen
Brooke McKenna
Annie Elise
Are all very respectful.
@@starrygutter you can't leave out Mysteries with Mollie. )
I haven't finished the video but my godfather has schizophrenia. He had a history of crime before being diagnosed and treated. I wasn't allowed to see him for a while. He also has a history of being abused by his parents.
Insurance is shit so he sometimes has to be unmedicated and he will isolate himself. He gave up rights to his kiddo to keep him safe. It breaks my heart. We need better care for misunderstood mental illness.
Im so sorry to hear that
@Diluc thank you. It's definitley tough to see I can't imagine going through it. And although I don't agree with what he did. I feel for this guy.
And I do wonder if it would've happened had he had proper care
I agree!
100 percent!
I agree 100%!
I agree 100%!
God bless all the mentally ill patients and people in this world that are being ignored misdiagnosed mistreated and are wondering homeless Lee a very broken system.
My heart goes out to the mother and Josh, of course. But looking at the history, like stopping to go to therapy when he was 11, I believe what Zachary says regarding the negligence of his mother & the assault by his brother. He was so detailed about it and even saying things like "not wanting to shower" - that's a common red flag parents could take notes of to suspect if their child has been sexually abused. I don't care if Zachary was the one who wanted to stop coming to therapies when he was 11, he was a child, he couldn't know better. His mental illness should've been treated and it could've prevented this from happening.
This. You don’t stop getting your child treatment for a treatable condition simply because they don’t like it. You wouldn’t stop giving a diabetic insulin, so why would you stop treatment for a mentally ill child.
You forget that he was heavily into true crime. He could have easily come across a lot of information about the signs of abuse and just used it to make his lies more believable.
Another reason why it could be so detailed is that schizophrenia makes some people with it suffer delusions that seem so real and vivid that they think it actually happened. I don’t think we’ll ever know if it happened or not.
@@Tre.1 I think it did happen to him, just not actually. Or, to word it better, I think he really did experience it but I think it was due to his mental illness
@Tre what makes that interesting is that if that is the case it means that even if it didn't actually happen, to him it did. To him he was actually physically violated.
I had a friend in college who had a psychotic break after some kids spiked his drink with LSD as a teen. He was never the same. He once thought he had been sexually assaulted by orderlies in a psychiatric ward when in reality they were restraining him to inject him. His paranoia was out of control where he would think we had cursed him out when in fact we were sitting in silence. He began to think people were werewolves. It was very sad but it seemed very real to him but he was aware enough to go back for more treatment. It seems sad that treatment wasn’t sought in this case.
This is the problem with psychedelics that isn't spoken about anywhere near enough. They are just promoted as some hippy, mind opening, peaceful happy time and perfectly safe. In a number of people they will cause a psychotic break and permanent damage. I have seen it first hand, and spent a long time surrounded by people who would always have a pocket full of LSD, some even from since before I was born and they told many a sad story.
I had a mate at school, a metel head that loved guitar and weed. Maybe 6 years after school I saw him on the train station so said hello, he talked monotone like this bloke and said he had just got out of a psych ward having eaten to many magic mushrooms. He said he had to learn how to do everything again, talk, eat, walk and he still had flashbacks that put him into that shroom state of mind every now and then.
Totally ruined his life.
I definitely believe his brother assaulted him. This case is so sad because it could’ve potentially been avoided if he was receiving regular treatment when he was first diagnosed :(
I definitely agree !! So weird how no one believes him but if his own bro did this and his mom wouldn’t believe him no wonder he said fuck everyone soo sad FR
I don't really believe it from the little information we have but anything is possible.
I feel like he would have killed his brother similarly to his mom if he did assault him. To get his anger out on him for what he did. He didn’t touch his brother and just set the fire, which seems more passive to me than the brutality done on his mom. If they both wronged him like he says. But maybe part of his anger towards his mom was her dismissing what his brother did? I’m not sure
@@samanthagraham8649 nah if he was too scared of him to even shower he probably went out of his way to stay as far away as possible from him - fear of your r*pist doesn't just go away like that and fear tends to be more powerful than hatred. that's my opinion anyway,,,
How could he do that with the mother in the house tho? Why wouldn't he do it when she was out? Idk. Doesn't add up.
The way he nods up and his voice puts me on edge and the fact he started all the voices and the horrors started after the dad died is heartbreaking because you can see the relationship they had. The brother is horrid because why would Zachary lie about that when he was telling the truth about everything else even straight up admitted to the murder and fire.
Pretty odd he put the sexual abuse into his diary where he didn't expect others to read about it too. Who lies about that and goes "Oh yea I should put that in my journal diary just in case it needs to add up later,"? The assault sounded graphic and who wouldn't adamantly deny it? Brother is suspish but the head smasher is no better
It could also have just been the psychosis making him believe that his brother sexually assaulted him, similar to how he heard his dad talking. When my sister was in the worst of her psychosis she accused her kids father of sexually assaulting them, but then when she was levelled out on medication realized it wasn’t true. She would believe all sorts of paranoid thoughts about everyone and would say things happened that never did until she was forced to take meds.
@@jessiewilkinson520 idk it's also different she might have been reading into her kids behavior or something happened to her and in her psychosis was projecting it onto her own kids, cause I've seen that too. I'm not a doctor. But I worked on psyc floor with some violent ppl and we had a women attack her BD claimed he bad touched their kids, come to find out her dad had done it to her, and after she had kids she just snapped cause it wasn't resolved...and this is how it was projected. So even his SA claims what if it was the dead dad or a mom's bf and maybe it focused on brother cause he wasn't a victim like him. We might not ever know unless there is proof. It just isn't normal to voice SA scenarios in psych breaks without some kinda truth/root cause behind it. Even religious psych breaks have a root cause....
I mean why wouldn't he lie? He's a killer. He blamed his mom for her own murder using weak excuses, and then he blamed his brother for assault and claimed that was the reason he did it. He's grasping for excuses that make him the victim, because he doesn't want to face the consequences of his actions; because he knows 'I was bitter my mom moved on and my brother isn't my bff anymore' isn't an excuse that justifies cold-blooded murder to a jury.
I really don't think it's appropriate for people to be making public assertions of guilt toward a person whose only accuser is the guy who killed his mom. Imagine he's innocent and comes across this comment chain. What a horrible insult to injury for someone who has experienced so much loss.
@@Jillworrell22 I have also seen that scenario happen quite a few times. I think people who have been abused as kids can be hyperaware, then when they have mental illness they can misinterpret things, or convince themselves it's happening to their own kids/relatives. As you say projecting their childhood abuse onto a loved one but also get stuck in a loop of believing a series of thoughts are reality & that can be very difficult to break.
This story is absolutely heart breaking, my jaw dropped.
So he only killed his mother?
My question is: if HE doesn't qualify for an unfit to stand trial/ insanity plea - WHO TF DOES???
I was my dad’s primary carer in his last years when he was dying from Parkinson’s and ALS, and it was hell for both of us. I watched those diseases slowly rob the best man I ever knew of him everything; his independence, his mobility, his agility, his speech and ability to communicate, his mind, and finally his dignity. It’s a death I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
I'm actually watching and taking care of my husband who is suffering with HUNTINGTONS DISEASE..it's just like the disease you mentioned... He's on Hospice now but it's very sad to watch someone who was so healthy become so sick and bedridden..it's just draining and I know our kids are hurting too... So I can definitely relate to that...
Praying for you and your family during this hard time. That is a terrible thing to go through and to watch.
I once had a patient with Chorea Huntington Disease and she lives a good and independent life! I wish u and your husband much strength and never lose hope 🍀
@@aina3387 thank you 💕
@@Lottaria555 thank you 😊❤️
I'm so sorry for what you and your husband are going through...it's such a tragedy and very traumatic. I will pray for both of you, that God will comfort him as he battles this debilitating disease, and for God to give you the strength you need to help him through this.
So, if I had seen stories like this before I had kids I would NEVER have had kids.
Second: I have a close friend who’s nephew is schizophrenic and bipolar. He would sit on her couch and tell her crazy things, like he was locked up in cages as a kid and just crazy off the wall things that he SWORE happened, but they never ever did.
God that’s absolutely horrifying.
thank you eleanor for always being so respectful when talking about these awful cases. we all love you smmm
My grandfather has a rare form of ALS he was diagnoised 22yrs ago he still walks with a walker, he swims, he gardens, he lives with my grandmother who has dementia in their own home, he is the longest living survivor of this form of ALS
you got a badass grandpa
was it PLS ?
Put your grandad on the carnivore diet for 30 days trust me it will help him 👍
I lost my beautiful mom to mnd disease (ALS) she had the bulbar palsy form, she only lived for 9 months from first diagnosis. It was utterly devastating especially how young she was. Hearing about your grandfather warmed my heart, I only hope one day they find a cure for this horrific disease. Best wishes to you & your family from the UK 💖
So far I've gotten to the part where you say how horrible it must be to watch someone you love go through ALS, and it is, but I can also tell you how horrible it is to watch someone you hate go through it. I wouldn't wish ALS on my worst enemy. I know it for sure because the person I hated the most (an old friend of my parents) ended up with ALS, and suddenly I was bending over backwards to help my mom take care of this guy who, mere months before, I had only wanted out of my life forever. I did everything I could to help try to improve the quality of what life he had left. He didn't live very long after his diagnosis and despite her efforts I think he was miserable for most of that time. This was years ago and it still feels bad even now. Sure I wanted him out of my life, but not like that.
You must not have hated him then because I wouldn’t have felt bad for someone I hate.
@@Fuzzysea693 you have zero idea of how you would act in that case
My day gets better when I get an Eleanor post! You are a great storyteller and we love your vids. Love from Canada.
As a mother of 4 all with mental illness. My 15 y/o son has schizophrenia, depression & many other diagnosis. He has refused to go to therapy since the age of 10. I would take him and he wouldn’t interact then would refuse to go then be dropped. So I can see where this man was not it therapy. It’s extremely hard and frustrating to try to make someone go to therapy, if they don’t want help they wont be helped.
If it's any consolation at all, I have a disorder called schizoaffective, which in my case is schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and when I was a child/teenager I was also refusing therapy and was not compliant with medication, but now that I am in my 20's and I'm older, I am now the opposite and regret being non compliant. The more you try to force it and there feels less of a choice, the more we refuse, but even with the others like me I've met, we tend to go through so much with it and change entirly, but it's really a case of it being presented as a choice. Stay strong, it must be really hard and I really look up to you.
Bless you and your family. I have a family member that is manic bi polar and schizophrenic... I can't imagine what your family is struggling with right now. My aunt has been in and out of institutions since the 1970's... on and off again medication. Her parents struggled to keep her in medical care but the way it's handled is awful. She has been a ward of the state since she was 25.
@@ManicMimikyu13 bless you. A friend of mine also has schizoaffective disorder. She struggles a lot. Its sad to see sometimes.
Why did keep having kids if 1 and 2 came out with disabilities. Shame on you!
Yep I feel frustrated by the comments who are blaming the mother and saying it's her fault for not taking him to therapy. Raising children alone is hard, raising them alone when they have additional challenges like a mental or physical illness is even harder. Getting them to do things they do not want to do can be impossible. Also if she was battling her own mental illness with minimal support do you expect her to be a super perfect mother? Mums are people too! And I am not saying there's no possibility that the mother was being neglectful but there doesn't seem to be any evidence of extreme neglect like what people are implying outside of her murderers word.
He confessed to everything, and admitted he wished he could go back and end his brother too in the interview, and people do get resent for parents when they don't get help for SA, I really do not think he is lying about his brother, it wouldn't make sense. I believe he was assaulted.
If you knew more about the illness you might understand better. The reason I say this.. my aunt is a bi-polar manic schizophrenic. In HER reality, her father she believes to her core that her father had tried to kill her multiple times. She has also accused my grandmother of poisoning her. She can give detailed accounts.. and I mean it's like you are there it's so detailed. She told me once about an incident in which her father bashed her feet on concrete blocks, leaving her unable to walk. These things never happened... but the hallucinations are their reality. It's really a terrible illness. Very heartbreaking because I know in her realities those things happened.... but in actual reality she's just ill.
i dont understand why he wouldn’t have bludgeoned his brother to death instead
I’ve seen you write this out twice and I have to comment: bi-polar manic schizophrenic is not a thing.
You can have bipolar (no hyphen) and schizophrenia but there’s no need to add mania to the list - it’s not a diagnosis it’s a symptom that’s implied with the bipolar one diagnosis.
If your aunt has the type of bipolar that gets mania - it’s referred to as Bipolar 1. (Bipolar 2 only goes as high as hypomania - no psychosis not as severe)
So I’d say it’s better to describe your aunt as
Bipolar 1 and schizophrenic IMO. Not having a go, just a subject that’s close to my heart.
@@smileyface5908 well she was diagnosed in the 80's sooooo I imagine the phraseology has changed quite a lot.
@@CassTheStinkyChickenthat’s fair enough. It was called manic depression back then so she’s doing well to refer to it as bipolar if she got diagnosed that long ago.
I really appreciate you detailing the triggers that may be in this video. That's really helpful x
Zachary seems like he was on the spectrum as well. As you’re describing him as a younger child. It reminds me so much of my child who is also on the spectrum. Makes me wonder if things could have been different if things had been taken more seriously.
i remember hearing this story but never really looked into it too much, idk why. but it’s honestly very sad what he had to go through. yes killing someone isn’t right ever. but he wasn’t right and never got help. it’s so sad all around.
Thank you for taking the time to talk about ALS ! It brings awareness to the disease that doesn't yet have a cure ! talking about it will hopefully bring awareness in hopes of people donating to continue to work on a cure. It's a horrific disease. Having a family member with the disease is absolutely heartbreaking and a very difficult journey on the person diagnosed and their family.
I honestly believe him. I have a brother who is schizophrenic and I can’t imagine untreated on top of sexual abuse and neglect I can see where this would’ve escalated that way it seemed like she didn’t really care too much about helping him. Poor guy, on the other hand I know that doesn’t mean she deserved to lose her life. just an overall sad situation.
yea I've got schizophrenic family as well and honestly my mom attacked my aunt with a sledgehammer like this back in the 80s but since she was a GIRL and she didn't die they just like, pretended it didn't happen lol gotta love america 💀💀💀
I believe him too.
He literally lied and said his brother killed his mother he's a liar and you believing him is honeslty disgusting
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@@jakereynolds8897 youtube deleted my comment? but thank you lol ig i missed that part lol
My grandmother passed away from als in 2008. It is heartbreaking watching her go from healthy to needing help with literally everything. I still breakdown sometimes because she was my queen. She was only 48 and I was going to the 5th grade at the time.
Zachary doesn’t seem scary to me at all.. he seems horribly broken and neglected by those that needed to help guide him through his pain. He already had mental disorders of some kind then obviously traumatized by the slow death of his father and ultimately left alone to deal with it all. He’s a very real example of how our society has no real clue of dealing with “different” people.. So they end up in prison or on the streets. He was just a child.. so very heartbreaking and to think he’s still probably not getting any real help since it’s easier to see him as a “demon” or a living presence of evil. I just see a young man that never got the very real help he needed as a child with mental disorders and a lot of very real trauma to add to it.
everyone appreciate how active the queen has been xx
Yessssss! Appreciate is an understatement! Not only is the Queen very active lately but the timing couldn’t be more perfect!!
shes died luv ❤
@@macaulayranch I thought she was referring to Eleanor 😁
@@macaulayranch she’s referring to eleanor lmao
@@rmarvel169 i am referring to eleanor huh
I remember seeing him on Dr Phil. It was very creepy. Thanks for covering this Eleanor. ❤❤❤
He’s super creepy
I actually went to school with him. I wouldn't say I was friends with him but we did talk occasionally. Also there were rumors saying he had a crush on me. I don't know how true that is. He was always a loner and didn't seem to have many if any friends. I know people see him as this cold blooded killer but what I see is so different. I see a young man who was so troubled and lonely that he finally lost it. I just wish either myself or someone else took the time to see how troubled he was and spoke up to get him some help.
Oof. Sorry you were somewhat personally affected. Whenever you talked to him - did he sound like THAT?
Then why at the time you didn’t try to talk to him and be a friend🤷🏻♀️
@@dominiquexo4772 why should she? She didn't know how bad actually his mental state was.
@@dominiquexo4772 maybe she did, but it sounds like he didn't want friends or didn't know how to be friends with people even if they tried.
Or maybe she just didn't want to be. That's OK too.
@@Estolig this^^
Hi Eleanor, I’m hoping you’d cover a local case that has made more recent developments. Its of Christopher Clements, who kidnapped and killed Maribel Gonzales in 2014. He was just found guilty this year, and is connected to the death of Isabel Celis in 2012. Clements is going on trial for Isabel’s murder in February, but I still feel as though these cases have not gotten enough widespread coverage. This was absolutely devastating to hear about both this year and when I was younger. If anyone else wants to look into this further, please do, but just note that it is completely horrific what happened. I know I’m a bit late on this video but hopefully it gains enough momentum.
My sister has schizophrenia and while many events are perceived through her warped view on life, the big stories are truthful. His very clear and descriptive account of his mother’s neglect and brother’s assault is very unlikely to be false. It makes sense that this pushed him too far as I know how schizophrenia is triggered.
I agree.
Her no make makeup looks always slay I’m obsessed with her looks x
She’s wearing make up tho
@@shutupcaitlyn_ A no makeup look is basically natural makeup, that’s what they meant :)
Sometimes less is more. The natural look definitely suits Eleanor.
@@darthphilfy She wore more when she was heavier I think because she lacked confidence and the makeup made her feel better. Now she has lost weight and seems to feel more comfortable in her skin so that's why she does a more natural approach to makeup now I believe. She was stunning either way and at any size, this is just what I've perceived from being a fan for years, and as someone bigger myself and a redhead as well I totally get why she did it that way before and now.
@@killinglonliness88 yes she has always been truly stunning ❤
Eleanor the respect that you hold while explaining these videos is amazing. I can’t imagine how josh felt throughout this. 😢
What about his mom? 😭
I think he’s laughing at what he is hearing in his head. He needs serious help
He’s clearly really sick and I’m glad he’s paying for what he did, because he deserves it, but his family did fail him as well, what he said about his brother is awful. I hope he’s getting the help he deserves.
My grandmama passed away from ALS when I was ten so hearing it as a content warning is in a weird way nice??? I just mean that no one talks about it and it’s a terrifying and incurable disease. It’s horrible to watch someone go through because they are essentially trapped in their body. Their mind is fully functioning but their body won’t move. My mom went through hell watching her mom suffer but she always said she knew her mom wanted to be with her husband (who passed in a car accident about 11 years earlier). Hearing people talk about it is a really good feeling and people should be more aware and educated on it. ❤❤ love Eleanor always ❤❤
ALS ? it was called motor neurone syndrome for decades ! It's a very cruel illness Very hard on the family too His mother was clearly mourning the lose of her husband (possibly clinically depressed) hence the reason she neglected her young teenage son's needs.Ulimately it was a tragedy waiting to happen. My question is WHERE WAS THE EMOTIONAL SUPPORT FOR THAT FAMILY IN THEIR TIME OF NEED ??? 😔
can’t wait to dive into this one! been curious about this case since I first saw that interview but haven’t even really watched anything else about it for whatever reason. thanks in advance for your hard work! 💖
It’s been so nice watching Eleanor grow through the years; she’s taken so many of the lessons she’s learned as a true crime TH-cam creator and applied them to really improve and expand upon her content.
While I find stories of patricide/matricide to be some of the most disturbing to me personally, Eleanor tells this one with both the sensitivity and sensibility that marks her much respected style.
Well done, that was a tough one. Even on meds a friend of mine who was diagnosed schizophrenic was on his meds He contacted me and some other friends saying I can’t get the voices to stop, can’t get the right medical person on the phone and was at his max of meds. It doesn’t take the voices away, we cannot fathom how disturbed this disease makes us. It’s not an excuse for murder but it is a reason you would self harm etc. I would say his fantasy about his brother would be part of paranoid schizophrenia, I worked with a woman who had this and they think total strangers want to sexually assault them. The drugs numb the emotions and incapacitate a lot of brain function.
So sad re his dads passing that’s tough on a really together family unit, I would say after nursing her husband and dealing with her son she was probably completely burnt out and traumatised too. The whole thing is so sad and destructive to everyone. My heart goes out to them all. 😢😢😢😢😢😢
Medication unfortunately for most of us only dampen voices rather than get rid of them entirely but it's to make it manageable and to also help negative symptoms and delusions, I hope your friend is doing okay
@@ManicMimikyu13 sadly we lost him a few years ago from an accident
The first thing that occurred to me when I saw Zachary's face in profile was the 'Hapsburg Jaw'. This is caused by inbreeding, which makes me wonder if this was responsible for his schizophrenia. Having such a large jaw causes speech impediments, which is probably why he talked the way he did. I think more went on in this house that ever came to light, and the story about his brother could be true. When he told his mum about it, she dismissed it. I think that when the father died she found it hard to come to terms with his death and instead of being there for her sons, just left them to cope on their own. Having to fend for yourself after the death of your father is very harsh. It is the parent left behind that should be caring for their kids. At the age that the two boys were was too young to start cooking and washing for yourself, especially if you've never done it before. As a parent, your grief comes second to your children's. It is your job to love, support and protect your children.
I’m not the only one who noticed the Hapsburg jaw! As for the SA accusations against his brother, yes, they could be true, but a big part of Schizophrenia is that they tend to manufacture false memories of events that never happened, but they are 100% convinced that the event(s) actually did take place.
I watched the police interview in full, at the end they ask him why he looks up through his eyebrows and if he knows it looks evil and he gets straight up giddy at the suggestion. It’s chilling. He definitely needed help.
I’m not sure why TH-cam hasn’t been sending me notifications for your channel but at least now I have a bunch of new videos to binge! Thank you Eleanor ❤️
Sometimes my phone won't get notifications from some youtubers if I get a bunch of notifications after having my phone off for quite some time or I'm away from WiFi for a while too(it's not activated, as it was given to me by a friend and I haven't bought myself a newer phone nor have I taken to get this one activated)
i watch all your videos, you put so much effort into them and detail. I appreciate everything you do its getting there story out there and now people will remember people/victims even more. keep up the great storytelling on cases your great at it.
Oh my goodness, I did actually catch this case somewhere else on TH-cam and remember hearing his voice and it actually did really send shivers down my spine. Sad that he didn't get the continuous help professionally but what's even worse is that a family have been totally destroyed. Thank you for covering yet another Case for us. XX
You do not understand how LONG I’ve waited for somebody ANYbody to speak on this case oh man I love you!!
icl, as a victim of SA- i do believe him. Of course SA affects everyone differently and it is most certainly not an excuse to brutally harm someone else, but I believe him and I think unless you've experienced the brutal pain of SA (physically and mentally), it is easy to say to not be as compassionate. I pray for his mother to rest in peace and I pray for Zachary to find peace- honestly, living with the memories of SA is extremely painful. I hope anyone who as unfortunately suffered SA, can find peace and absolute happiness as you deserve no less. It does get better :)
Preggo, sick and bored then you come through with a video ❤️ Thank you for always taking time with the videos and caring so much for the victims
I hope you get well soon, also congrats!!
Congrats ❤
Congrats!! I hope you’re doing well
Thank you Eleanor, I usually watch 2 of your videos every week and it's my weekly dose of true crime. Your channel Is so so informative and creative. I love you so so much thank you for your videos x
I love Elenor’s vids she’s so respectful to everyone in all of her cases , love you’re channel Elenor keep up the good work❤
"He was obsessed with true crime"... LOL! I already get side-eyed with the amount I watch, this really doesn't help 😅.
Though context usually helps. I have a VERY boring, hour-long, weekly task, that I just can't do without entertainment (ADD). Your voice and way of storytelling are just the perfect amount of interesting without being distracting, so I don't make mistakes with my task. You could be talking about the origin of sunflower seeds and I would still be watching, because you would manage to frame it just the right way.
Plus: I adore your accent! 🥰
What a shame he didnt get the mental health help he so desperately needed. My brother was a paranoid schizophrenic, one of the most gentle souls you could ever meet. He had the full support of our parents and us siblings and a fantastic mental health team. I was the oldest but he was a lot taller than me (my big baby brother) and he was my best friend. He passed away unexpectedly in his sleep a few days after his 39th birthday in 2019 and we've never really recovered from losing him. I miss him so much.
I've never heard of this case before and Zachary is just a scary individual for what he did as well as how he speaks when he got interviewed on Dr Phil.
Thats wild. I thought everyone had atleast seen the dr Phil clip. However ive never heard the full story laid out like this.
@@byunniq9060 I used to watch Dr Phil when I was younger but not anymore which explains why I hadn't heard about this case.
Neither have I. And what’s scary to me is that I used to lived 15 to 20 minutes from where this dude lived at the time
@@AlexandraBolz oh wow that is scary, at least you didn't run into him during that timeline.
@@samih5916 I agree. I was 13 when this crime happened and honestly I don’t remember it being on the news which is weird
I saw the interview with Dr Phil and I've never forgotten him if I'm trying to describe evil to anyone he's the first person I try to explain. In my opinion he's what evil means, absolutely no emotions or inflections in his voice
I can't think of anyone better to cover this case with her usual compassion for the victim and the family while giving us a great all round case
Thanks Eleanor you're the best x
yes thats what being evil means, having autistic speech patterns 😂😂
Evil is determined by voice inflections?
@@leejianne5342 evil is not real lol, you get out of a person exactly what is put into them. idiots will go "i was traumatized but i didnt become like this" and im like no shit trauma is not equal. there are different types of trauma, with different severity, and based on your life previous different people will learn different things from the traumatic event. people who think someone can be "evil" are just being ignorant because they are too lazy to think or because they want to feel superior to someone else who has had a way harder life than them. trauma victims dont just magically cease to be victims when they become violent and antisocial.
As someone who’s grandad had mnd it was honestly the most heartbreaking thing for me to live with. But my grandad Roy kept going for years he was so strong ❤
My father died of ALS I was only 8 when he passed. He was 46. It's definitely the biggest part of why I have my mental health issues. It is absolutely heartbreaking watching your daddy wither away. Especially cause I was a huge daddies girl. RIP daddy...
I'm so sorry. Despite mental health issues you can have a happy life sweetheart. Much love xxxxx
Josh literally lost everyone here; his father, mother and brother. I feel so terrible for him honestly, i hope he is getting the help and support he deserves. 😢
Saw this on dr Phil years ago. I’ve always wanted to hear The whole story. Thank you Eleanor!!
The time stamp for those who need it for this is: 06:20 for mnd/als. My nanna had motor neurone disease. She passed away after a 1.5 year battle at 73. She was the strongest lady I’ve ever met. I love your videos but conversation about mnd I’ll be skipping forward and listening to the rest, thank you for the content warning Eleanor❤ grateful for the subtitles so I could skip it completely.
replying to this gets bumped up! i’m sorry yo hear that 🥺 hope you’re okay, sending comfort and love 🥰
@@zobizobizobi thank you ❤️ I can be okay some days but other not. It’s grieving at the end of the day, I’ll always be grieving over so much of it. But thank you for your kindness
@@Jess-3 absolutely understandable. honestly i find it very strong for you to be open about it and honour your feelings. it’s an extremely difficult thing to go through and im sure she’d be so so proud of you 🥰
@@zobizobizobi thank you❤️ I think she will be too you know- thank you
Your channel is without a doubt my favorite true crime channel on TH-cam! I would love to see you cover the Elisabeth Fritzl case!
He's like a real life Sling Blade. I feel so bad for his brother. Can't imagine dealing with all that loss and being the person to find your mother like that...
what is a sling blade?
@@zunairafaiz372 A movie
u feel bad for the rapist?
@@comdrive3865 rapist?
@@zunairafaiz372 "Sling Blade" is a movie about an adult male who is released from prison for killing his moher & her lover. The male is played by Billy Bob Thorton & has a psychotic disorder & he grunts like Zachary.
An interesting quirk I noticed was during the interview he would nod his head by going up first instead of down. Most people nod their heads down then up, but Zachary does the opposite. It’s interesting to see too. It’s the kind of nod you’d expect someone to pair with saying “yo what’s up bro?” Or something of the sort.
And also seemingly always 3 times.
Sooo weird, I've been on a Dr Phil binge. Literally JUSt finished an episode when i got this notification. Gunna have to find this episode of it now.
Still the creepiest Dr. Phil interview ever. That voice, gives me chills. Dr. Phil has my respect for not flinching there, I would be fucking terrified
Phil himself is an awful person apparently, like how teens are treated at camps he sends them to is crazy!
@@wildbeautyunderneath4735 Nah. He doesn't go to the camp himself, he wouldn't have known the people were treating the kids poorly. People just want to cancel him because they are bored, and find it fun to ruin people's lives.
@@mooma10 So because they aren't responsible making sure where they send kids/teens is safe makes it okay? With all the claims as well if you heard that hey the camp you send people to have serious claims, and or actual death you might I don't know do research. So they are just a cash grabber wanting attention and fame, without even trying to truly help people. Similar to make other talkshow stars, they just care about looking good while doing awful things.
@@wildbeautyunderneath4735 Did I say that? No. He has been and checked it, things can seem pretty on the outside and be evil on the inside. He's not to blame in that situation at all, the abusers are. Stop blaming the innocent, just like I said, you're bored and like to ruin people's lives for fun.
@@mooma10 Innocent? Not even close. Vet the place you are sending youths. Doesn't matter who thinks they are trouble, their claims mean something. They should not be isolated, or raped, or tortured. It's similar with boarding schools, no one cared about the abuse there until Paris Hilton came out about their time there. Suddenly, the world cared about all those claims building up over years, and slowly rules changed. Which those kids still aren't safe. Oprah's school in Africa also had its sure of things that should have never happened. Doesn't matter though you put your name on this place, it is your responsibility for it. If you have the claims then figure out why no matter what, or better yet find better places. Or even better actually try to help the youths, not just tossing them away pretty much. Give them skills, and make them safe. If you can't see the issue with not following the claims he heard, or stop sending youths to there altogether putting them in harms way you are not worth talking to. Being blind isn't the answer we need to stop writing of famous people for allowing awful behavior just because they are famous. Phil is not innocent they blood is on his hands, and those living with the damage are his fault. He deserves jail, and to have his life ruined. Just as anyone that stands by and lets abuse happen should get.
At 15 doing your own laundry and other chores around the house is appropriate. It'll help the transitioning process of them moving into their own.
Agreed, but as a kid with a mentally ill suicidal mom at 15, it's hard to cook for your mom and brother daily, clean the house, grocerie shopping, take care of literally everything In the house while also having lots of homework/ exams after school. You have stress from school, your home situation and not having any chance to relax and be a 'normal' 15 year old. You can't go to your mom with your problems, since she has her own. You're all on your own at that point.
@@lizzaa2517 I sympathize with you, it's hard, extremely stressful and sucks a bunch
my girlfriend and i now find ourselves randomly saying “today’s case takes place” because it’s so fun 😂
Me and my fiancé shout in a northern accent “IN TODAYS VIDEO” randomly every now and then 😂
After seeing this Dr phil episode his ways have never left me how he nods and talks absolutely freaks me out
man, they would’ve taken him to the ranch if he already wasn’t in jail 💀
OOP
I absolutely love you Eleanor! Thank you so much for posting, and being here. You are my favorite TH-camr, and words can’t explain how much I love and appreciate you!♥️ you will forever be my number 1! I LOVE U
Slaughter without Laughter.....the fact that I'm just now realizing that this is both morbid yet true is an absolute wtf/fascination to me....
I feel like that's a quote from Joker or some other character like that.
my grandad had motor neurone disease, and it was awful watching him go from a fully active man who was a great physics teacher, a man who took me on adventures when i was little and told me all about his adventures around the world in countries like the seychelles and india, to a man who was wheel chair bound, and had to have his food blended and drank through a straw. it’s an awful and heartbreaking disease. he passed in 2015, so a long time ago now but it still hurts.
great video as always eleanor xx
I’m personally shocked that he wasn’t found not guilty by way of insanity because he is clearly obviously mental and needs a hospital rather than prison
This case is very..hm
I don’t really know how to feel abt this one, though it’s a shame his mother had to be so brutally murdered. Great vid as always!
I’ve been waiting for you Eleanor!! I swear I’m checking a few times a day to look for new videos from you 🥰🥰
I lost a dear, dear friend to ALS over the course of no more than a couple of months. It’s a hideous thing for which the “victim” is left to deal, and most often, the families are not prepared in dealing with this disease before it ultimately takes the life of the one who is suffering with it. It is absolutely a horrendous diagnosis, and my heart always goes out to those who’re suffering with it…as well as the families who are left to face ALS’s “consequences”.
6:42 Honestly, she might have stopped taking him because she couldn't afford it anymore. The U.S. isn't known for its affordable healthcare. Therapy is expensive, and many struggle to afford it. I'm not say that she couldn't afford it or whatever I'm simply saying it's a possibility.
i don’t understand how anyone can just kill another human being just because like???
eleanor!! i’d love for you to cover an australian case, its called the daniel morcombe case (idk how to spell his last name) but it’s so so so big in australia. it’s recently been solved, i don’t know to what extent because it took so long after the actually crime was committed, and a lot of people don’t actually know what happened still. in australia (im not sure if this is everywhere but i live in qld and im pretty sure this happened in qld or nsw), but we have daniel morcombe day wear everyone wears red, it’s mostly done in like primary schools and stuff but it’s still pretty big. this case also introduced a really important law in australia that says that any child in a school uniform must be allowed on a bus even if they do not have a go card / bus money. this case is super super huge and personally, was my first introduction to this other side of the world, like as a 5 year old, I never knew this could happened, especially to children, and it was used to educate so so many kids!
Went to school with this guy. He sat alone at lunch everyday with his head down and never ate. Also never once saw him talk to anyone for years.
It's fantastic how you give us trigger warnings before delving into each case. You have saved my mental health numerous times. Thank you, Miss Neale.
i just moved into a beautiful house that was built in 1901 that was converted into upstairs and downstairs apartments. the Landlords nephew has the upstairs. the family pays for it because he has schizophrenia and cannot support himself. He is very odd, does strange things and has arguments with himself which I was told if I notice these behaviors to call family immediately and at times he's needed to be hospitalized. I think this case is so tragic. if he has had support this may have been avoided. This is just heartbreaking because I could see my neighbor getting confused and doing something awful but there is a large support system in place so he can live as normally as possible. Schizophrenia is no joke. love your channel ❤️
This is such a hard case as Zachary was very mentally ill and he had his brother SA-ing him but the way he killed his mother was awful and so brutal, you can just look at Zachary’s and tell something is off about him and it’s really unfortunate that he didn’t get the help he needed because his mother ghosted the therapist
My mother passed of ALS in 2001... took 3 years after her diagnosis... watching her die slowly, she lost her speech first, and begging me her to kill her because she couldn't speak and couldn't do things for herself anymore.. it's a different kind of horror. This case is sad all around. 😔
It's so sick how he killed her.
I feel kinda sorry for Zachary though, it's very sad that he didn't get any treatment and his mother stopped taking him to therapy. I know how extreme schizophrenia can be and he should've gotten sent to a mental hospital.
Also, I don't wanna say it didn't happen, but there's a possibility that the sexual assault was just a delusion/psychosis and he thinks it's real because those can be really vivid an feel real. Obviously it could be real but as someone who has dealt with psychosis themselves i know some things that didn't happen could feel like they actually happened.
(Edited bc i hadn't watched the full video before commenting)
Fantastic again Eleanor, excellent viewing and a fantastic story well done
🙏🙏🙏🙏 you have no idea how much I've been wanting to hear Zachary Davis' story. All I've ever been able to find are a couple clips on Dr. Phil. and that's it.
Watching my dad die from MND was heartbreaking, I am still not over the trauma to this day