Hyundai E-GMP (Electric Global Modular Platform) | Ioniq 6 Hoist Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2024
- We put the Ioniq 6 up on the hoist to compare it to the Ioniq 5 that we tore down.
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I just wish they will go for a more aerodynamic Ioniq 7 SUV, i hate the "GAS CAR" frontal area that it has, it is basically an awfull brick for me, i hope they do something like the 5, but scaled up and streamlined for EV, because if you have efficiency, you cheapper have range. (Something that Tesla knows)
Jordan's presentations are a bench mark others should strive for. He is your best at Munro for clear, concise, and flawless presentations.
Thanks, Jordan is great!
“Professor” Jordan is exceptionally well spoken and a very comfortable presenter. What a hire! Kudos to all at Munro.
Confirmed, even when listening at double speed!
I agree - no contest!
Confirmed.
Hyundai/Kia is doing all the things GM promised to do, but didn't.
Of all the legacy automakers, Hyundai/Kia is winning the EV transition.
Korean drive, engineering, and focus are impressive.
Most other legacy automakers are sinking in quicksand.
They have had a "challenger mindset" from day one, when they entered the US market in the 80s. IMHO, they can't be grouped with "legacy".
@@lkuhn65 I'm not sure about the challenger mindset (might or might not), but I see another thing I value greatly about them. I suspect the engineers there have more say (compared to other companies). That is, they get more freedom to design a car they themselves would want to buy and drive compared to just getting an assignment. I don't really have a proof of that, more like an intuition for it (as an engineer myself). Like, getting rid of that 400->800V voltage pump … it's not something someone ever gets as an assignment, but if if you're an engineer trying to squeeze that thing somewhere into the car and start wondering if you can actually throw that crap out to make your life easier, another one in the room says „Hey, hold my beer…“.
Fully agree with your comment. Met Albert Biermann last year and he spoke about drivetrain development. He was for 30 years heading BMW M-Sports. He was enthusiastic about a lot of highly motivated young engineers that sized the chance making something new like at Tesla and not all the others. As China is very close they also knew what to make different. So the group started also cooperating with Rimac-Bugatti and Porsche or engaged the very best in design worldwide, who designed from Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lamborghini and Bentley all that had once a good name out of boring and emotionless cars, e.g. typical SUV! So also working from scratch to prototypes and showcars that go more or less unchanged in production is a sensation. Stellantis e.g. had many attempts from young engineers to make something new but they never realized more than boring mass products. With a very good EV platform you nearly can do anything what a special segment of market wants and still make profits. Of course that the Tesla approach is more profitable but the market also wants beautiful cars out of the mass and Koreans are ready to sell. See EV9, EV6 and coming EV4, IONIQ 5 & 6, Genesis GV60 etc. All very unique and different but recognizably 🤓🇨🇭
Nice opinion, but not a fact.
Real information, real data and excellent illumination on manufacturing ! Love this company! ❤
Thanks, Tony!
Sandy I hope you're paying this guy well, he could easily have his own show 😂
You are a very clear and articulate speaker. Along with the good camera work this was one of the best Munro Live videos I've seen. Thank you.
Wow, thank you!
Great sound too!
Impressively articulate, efficient and clear presentation.
Thank you kindly!
Jordan is an amazing speaker. He's informative, straight to the point, and precise. The videographer is also super impressive and is engaged with what Jordan is saying and showing the audience. Spectacular!
Thanks so much!
I love the additional detail the Munro team brings to video, like the cutouts in the battery pack for lift points
Jordan’s points about the half shaft/hub relationship, the use of the motor’s modules with the 800 Volt architecture, and the importance of drag reduction impressed me the most. Really appreciate his easy-to-follow, thorough approach to explaining these hoist reviews. 👍👍
Thank you Jordan. Great job at presenting the information in a way for all to understand. Really enjoy your reviews.
Thanks for watching, Tim!
I remember years ago when Toyota was asked what other car company do you lose sleep over, Hyundai/kia
Just wanted to pass on a thank you for the sponsors you select. The products you are showing are of interest to me (unusual for advertising, even so-called targeted advertising) and the presentation seems to be done by Munro people so no excessive hype.
Fantastic review !!! Have been a hyundai fan for years, owned 4 different ones, and all limited . 4 cylinder turbo on the Santa fe sport was the best engine. But hoping they do something with the palisade, possibly hybrid or all ev. Loved my palisade, but the engine was a little old school. Would like to see them step up in that area.
Can't wait for the full tear down !!! Yeah buddy !!!
Those cooling fan blades at 8:08 are trippy
Interesting, my guess is that traditional blade design throws the air out along the edge.
I found an article from The Journal of Sound and Vibration: "On the study of wavy leading-edge vanes to achieve low fan interaction noise" from 2018. The abstract indicates that they found improvements in both aerodynamics (efficiency) and acoustics (sound levels) for a wavy blade vs the basline fan blade. Both are desireable for an EV. I expect we will see more fans like this going forwards.. and more experimentations with fan shapes going forwards.
One of the most enjoyable (for me) episodes to date, informative, knowledgeable, easy pace by a lad who is easy to understand and pauses for breath.
I have said it before but Jordan will be the Sandy in training when the old bugger (like me) hands over the reins.
IMO of course.
Munro should have a video of all small products(air pump) with their seal of approval.
Excellent summary with explanation of what you are thinking and how design decisions impact costs, performance, sound... Again, excellent presentation.... best yet!
Great content, wouldn't expect anything less from your guys! Loving that BendPak 10-AP lift too!!! 🔥
They Might not be doing anything radical but they are certainly pushing hard and iterating number of new EV's they have put in last couple of years is great
The Usual Stuff ::: Clear, Insightful, very educational . . . thanks for what you do !!!
Citroen CX was marketed based on its low Cd of 0.36 in the 70s - including features like a concave rear screen to keep it clean without a wiper
Thank you! Very Illuminating. Viewed from underneath it looks like some well considered engineering choices were made.
Excellent overview. Thank you. One of your best videos yet.
Wow, thanks!
Well done Jordan. Thank you.
Yes, show us the hub assembly!
A Star is rising! 👍👍
Nice work Munro team. Keep it up.
THANKS JORDAN,ERIC…GREAT CAMERA WORK,, AND THE MUNRO TEAM 👍💚💚💚
Our pleasure!
interesting driveshaft / hub assembly. using the motor to assist charging as well is a neat solution. im sure many will follow after seeing this.
Impressive video with a lot of good information. thanks
Nice intro edit. Informative video as always. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I think for me buying a used ev access and easy replacement of the battery pack is important
Thanks for the excellent review!
I love the overview you give of relevant details, much like being there in person.
Regarding empty space above the back of the battery, in earlier images of the e-GMP platform there was an ICCU there. I wonder if open space is related to that as a location option? Do they still use the ICCU? Maybe relocated or integrated away?
Worth noting that road wheel torque (ie tractive effort) is not generally higher for a BEV than for an ICE because the BEV lacks a multispeed gearbox! A typical 2.0 tdi engine knocks out "just" 400Nm at the crank, but stick in a torque convertor (2x mult), 1st gear (4 or more times mult) and final drive ratio (4 time smult) and axle torques are of course very similar in reality. The ICE also has hugely greater torsional vibrations to deal with, requiring things like dual mass flywheels and cush rings in the propshafts etc, whereas the BEV has a very smooth output in TV terms. Shock loadings are also possible to accurately calibrate out or avoid for the BEV, whereas an auto or especially manual transmission ICE can generate shock loadings of at least the same magnitude as the static engine torque.
Great review! haha from my perspective "dead space" in a vehicle is great, because then you finally have a place you can reach stuff when servicing the vehicle.
Modern cars have become a nightmare to service because there are almost never enough space for hands, tools or the part you are replacing. Forcing you to disassemble way too much when doing maintenance, which results in complicated and time consuming maintenance that cost a lot of money.
A very cool view under this cool platform.
This guy Jordan talk good! His speaking very better! Job done good! So many words!
🙄
Always great presentations.
Glad you think so!
great video thank you. i think this car looks really cool!
Glad you liked it!
In addition to wanting a flat lower surface of the battery pack, you also want the battery mass low, so if there is going to be unused volume then above the battery is appropriate.
Excellent review!
Thanks for watching, Eric!
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🤗 A VERY UPLIFTING BEGINNING 💚💚💚
OOOUUuuu! Love this intro! Be bold! Be different! Munro "breaks-down" convention, where others may have free, mindless, generic Musak, Munro has manly tech sounds, sounds of work being done, noise from nosey techs looking at every thread on every hated fastener...in disgust.
Given the nature of your business, harvesting sounds in your environment should be a breeze.
Some time ago I disassembled a Roborock Vacuum (to replace a fried suction fan), I couldn't believe how modular it was and how simple it was to disassemble and put it back. Increasing the modularity on passenger vehicles will save manufacturers a lot of labour cost
AWESOME!
20:17 Believe the traction Inverter has integrated switches to enable the 400V charging mode, hence it's limited to I believe ~150kW charge rate.
The 800V DCFC is done direct from EVSE to Battery.
Its available on Hyundai's page
My dad is looking to upgrade his old Acura. With the great deals on these nowadays I think I’ll have to recommend it.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Lift Hoist ASMR lol
That’s a super cool half shaft/wheel bearing!! I want to know everything: who else is using it, how the non-driven base model wheel bearing looks, size, weight, cost. The lot.
Also, have you got any Mazdas in the future? They do some unique things there, at least according to their PR. The allegedly CNC’ed engine blocks look awfully like a cast block to me.
Another EXCELLENT video, kudos! Can you make a video identifying WHY all the Tesla cars are SO MUCH lighter than most of the other EVs in their classes. this as weight is a KEY issue for efficiency AND cost (as you mentioned in the video), which is outstanding with all Tesla cars compared to other EVs in their classes.
nice,,, am guessing there is covers over the rear motor that have been removed for the vid ?
I am really leaning towards a Hyundai Ioniq for my first EV. Keep up the great info. I’ve watched the Tesla tear downs, but just can’t get onboard with Musk.
A great video, presented flawlessly by Jordan - great job!
I was very interested to see what you thought of the Ioniq 6 as I'm seriously considering getting one later this year. I'm also seriously considering the BYD Seal (as it's going to be named in Europe) so is this on the list for a hoist review? I'm thinking the engineering and build quality of the BYD may not be up to the high standard set on the Ioniq 6 ........ but I may be wrong?
One significant difference between Tesla and the Chinese/Koreans is the battery management systems - particularly heating/cooling.
Nyland shows the large deltas on battery temperatures which has a marked impact on long distance travel - cold/heat gateing.
Something Munro does not feature.
Go with the gold standard today and in the future. Tesla. Not time to experiment with your money on ChiCom experiments. Behind the shiny veneer of BYD is something you are not seeing. Warren Buffet who hates E. Musk, had wads full of cash in BYD, cut their holdings by 76% (and still selling more quietly little by little) Sure they made some profit. However, their bragging rights are to hold the right stock for decades with wild returns.
Point is, BYD here today, gone tomorrow. Like Daewoo who was thought to be the top Korean player years. Except for the loyalists, people were not repeat buyers. If you want to go EV, Tesla.
Very interested in seeing a fuller analysis of the rear hub design.
Yes, please share the teardown of the (rear) hub assemblies.
After a bit of searching it looks like this may be the design used widely by Hyundai/Kia since 2008, with the large-diameter and axially short splined interface between the hub's inboard end and the outer CV joint, rather than the traditional small-diameter and axially long splined interface which goes right through the hub. It would be interesting to see how the CV joint is held onto the hub in that case. If it's a new design, that would be even more interesting to see.
I'd note that there's another advantage of using the invertor for the 400->800V conversion. If you have a dedicated module, it costs more if you use a more powerful one, so you have to make a compromise between charging fast at a 400V charger and the cost of the module ‒ ending up with limits of 50kW, for example (I believe there were some Taycans with that limit). So a 100kW 400V charger is not that great for the car. If you use the invertor, it's the power limit of that invertor and that one is likely much higher already.
For similar reason, I'd really like them to abuse the invertor as the AC onboard charger too. There's a lot of 22kW plugs around here and some 43kW plugs from time to time 😈 (yes, Europe with 3-phase).
Good to see no real surprises here. From Sue's video we see that they have saved costs with this model by simplifying the interior compared to the Ioniq 5 halo vehicle. (Which is what I expected and am glad to see).
And while the Tesla model of constant iterations is often lauded, there is really something to be said for doing good engineering from the start and replicating that many times over to bring down costs. They seem to have a good mix of conservative elements that allows them to leverage decades of manufacturing experience, along with a few novel features that show that they arent afraid to do something new when its called for. IMO that shows good management and good corporate culture. The novel use of the motor inverter to do 800v charging work rather importantly shows that their engineers arent siloed into separate departments in a way that prevents system level optimization. Very encouraging.
Especially when faced with so many companies struggling to figure out a strategy, it is refreshing to see a company that understands and can leverage their core competancies while not letting that stand in the way of innovation.
Brilliant. Would be good to see under the car before you remove any shields for comparison. Thx.
Talk about Lean Design, Jordan looking pretty lean. Ripped!
@Jordon have you seen any manufacturer incorporating any racing type of ground effects or aerodynamics on the underside of the car?
The best part about this hoist review is that you can’t see the car anymore. Ioniq 6 makes Ssangyong look like a Miura.
25:00 Toyota BZ4X recall, the bolts were for ICE cars and ending sharing off because the torque was too high.
The front suspenson looks particularly basic compared to the rear setup, looks like this is where the cost savings hit home!
Those parts look like rust magnets in any location with winter, sea side, or roads with harsh natural chemicals. A mess of rusty parts to come early.
My Ioniq 5 and probably many EVs have an Achilles heel issue where “critters” have chewed through wiring. Is there any way that wiring housing technology can thwart this issue? Any ideas to prevent damages?
I think that the 5 is a better looking car, but I imagine that the 6 is more efficient.
upvoted!!
Que buen inicio del video.
Welcome to our electric future.
Anybody has a reference for the Under Armour jumper he is using?
The gap could be to store Hot-Pockets to warm them up.
I have this car and love it, one slight annoyance...after driving through rain or going to the car wash, it drips A LOT on the garage floor. More than any car I have ever had. My experience has been confirmed with other IONIQ 6 owners via Reddit. Any idea on the cause of this?
Thanks. This is the first cooling fan blade 8:11 *I* have seen with scalloped edges. A quick Google dive shows Hyundai also does this design in other cars. Do you have any comments on aerodynamic vs. aesthetic tradeoffs with this shape? Could you send that blade out for a wind tunnel study during teardown? Seems like there must be more than aesthetics where a customer never looks...
It is a bit counter intuitive at first glance, but the fan shape adds some turbulence. That is marginally less efficient but prevents resonance noise. There is still noise, but the energy is spread over a range of frequencies making if qualitatively less irritating.
Jordan talks about the clever way Hyundai delivers the 800 V charging capability, but I think misses a marketing advantage.
Because all the EVs that share the same same platform, all the IONIQ, Kia, and Genesis products built on it have 800 V charging _standard_! What a selling point for all 3 name plates and the Hyundai brand overall!
The Ioniq 6 is a huge dilemma for me: I don't like sedans, they are useless when you have loads of stuff to lug around: Bikes, musical instruments, firewood, moving stuff, fetching a new fridge etc. etc. But - I love that aerodynamic shape, the elegant design and the efficiency of the thing (I drive the 2018 Ioniq today which is more efficient than anything out there and it has a huge, practical tailgate). I might just get the Kia Niro EV instead but I would love to cruise in silence and style in the 6
A little late for winter tires? 🤔
Looks like a HF flashlite?
800V charging is native to this car because the battery voltage is 800V. What needs to be addressed, is charging this on a standard 400V charger. This is achieved by a clever use of motor inductance and its driver's transistors as a high-power DC-DC convertor.
You refer to the on board charger which is not a separate module but instead they use the driver inverter and see the ac from the ac outlet as the motor ac input and they „regenerate“ from the ac outlet so to say..
It’s a nice trick and therefore could allow more than the industry standard 11kW but it’s crazy that is patent worthy i hope the patent is opened and not licensed! Because I already thought of this 5 years ago and wondered why nobody implanted such a solution.
Also for Vehicle2X it’s a good approach if DC is not used and it operates efficiently
Jordan was presumably not talking about charging from an AC source (for which an onboard AC-to-DC converter is always required, regardless of battery voltage), but charging from a DC source which doesn't provide the voltage required by the battery.
@@brianb-p6586 you should look up your sources because when you DC charge the car communicates with the „real“ charger (rectifier) and request certain voltage and current levels because it has a direct link to the high voltage battery nothing in between!
@@steinmar2 yes, that's exactly how it works. The module which controls that communication, part of the battery management system, works the same regardless of the DC charging station voltage capability... and it has nothing to do with the onboard charger, which is an AC-to-DC converter.
The problem with DC charging for an "800 V" car is that many DC charging stations (including all Superchargers) will not go high enough in voltage - that's what I meant by "a DC source which doesn't provide the voltage required by the battery". The "separate module" which the Munro video refers to is the DC-to-DC voltage booster used by Porsche/Audi, so the car can request (for instance) 400 V from the charging station and double that onboard (at half the current, of course) to the 800 V needed by the battery.
The dedicated module for 800 V charging comments are unnecessarily confusing. the module would be a voltage doubler to allow charging of the battery at up to 800 V from a charger providing less than 500 V; the inverter and motor windings are apparently being used for provide this functionality. There are no more components required to DC charge at 800 V than at 400 V, as long as the charger provides the required battery voltage.
by nature humans always want more, I believe if some OEM's will continue to make cars with 350 miles worth of range, any other builder who makes a 400 or higher will end up selling more even at a higher price
I don't believe that is the way, specially after following Munro for a while. The reason for that is, more range means you need more battery, which results in a trade off for efficiency. They will want to keep a balance between range, cost and efficiency. Hyundai, I think has found a good balance between range, cost, efficiency and charging capabilities if we look at the specs. Only Tesla surpases them in specs. I have a Ioniq 5 and I picked it over the Tesla Model 3 after testing both cause I liked the buttons, design and space at the same price at that time, also the seat options (you get ventilation and memory for the seats, at the same time as you can adjust the back seats, for more or less boot/leg space). To be noted , the Model Y which i also tested, was not yet available at that time, and now it is very competitive at the same price range as the Ioniq 5.
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Hi. Can anyone tell why the fan a blades have that wavy structure? 8:14 Something I saw for the first time
Noise reduction.
@@mokpoly thanks
Okay, so now I know MunroLive video presenters better than I know the actors in any movie/show/TV program I have watched for the last 55 years. Is this a bad sign? How about if I'm looking at my girls art projects on some basic lean design principals?
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It's simply called economy of scale production.
So you didn't remove any covers, There's this much exposed on the rear end?
No, we removed covers.
They always remove lower covers for hoist reviews - without doing that, very little would be visible. The covers which are removed provide both aerodynamic and protective functions.
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Ok we know what NHV is, but so much other jargon used went right over my head. Someone could do a service by producing a breakdown video of this video
Can we get a comment about SAE NACS development?
(AKA SNACS)
Not in a hoist review of a vehicle without a NACS port.
This means game over for Tesla!
Just like a K-car, right?
is it safe to say the Hyundai has good quality with the E-GMP platform compare to others manufacturer ?
No - its still not a Physics 101 blank slate chassis. Few risks, little innovation and low volumes.
@@waynerussell6401 wondering if that is a better choice VS the tesla
since am not looking for performance
the ride quality is better that's for sure
@@gorgeplo The Tesla 3 and Y have much superior suspension - 5 link like BMW M3 designed by a Lotus engineer that Munro described as a Prince who could work for F1. There is a choice between performance and comfort. Tesla has traditionally gone for performance - better in the Moose test than the Hyundai.
However recent buyers and testers have found the ride is now softer.
"Standard (non-performance) 3 & Y suspension in production now has improved comfort, without affecting handling"
Musk tweet - Oct 18, 2022.
You can always get what you want by an after purchase coil over adjustment. EG Tesla certified after market tuner Unplugged Performance.
Tesla is a generation away in all other ways than Hyundai.
@@waynerussell6401 did not thought of that after market option
thanks a lot
Modular battery packs. Let the consumer dictate that "bill of materials" cost by deciding how much battery they want on a given day. Don't carry/equip for more than you are going to use. The propane tank model: you buy a tank, and use/fill when you need it. If you are driving around town, maybe 100 miles of range worth of battery. Going on a long trip? Feeling range anxiety, add some more modules. Pretty simple and obvious.
Yes! More non-Sandy goodness.
I like this guy, he knows more stuff than the others and not bash designs so easily. I wonder why Hyundai bothered with a sedan from a few parts of the Ioniq 5 for the sake of bit higher efficiency in highways. Tesla much more frugal usign a lot of the Model 3 to make the Model Y. However, Tesla is now battery constrained and I think it is time for them to change the Model 3 into hatchback. This could move people from buying the Model Y with ternary and large capacity batteries to the LFP, freeing nickel based batteries for use on the CT and Semi.
Why aren’t you mentioning the extremely limited production volume for all Kia Hyundai BEV? When you look at the low numbers, the production methods and even design don’t matter as much. I don’t think they’ll keep this platform and processes if/when they decide to produce in high volume.