Repurposing Gone Right? 2023 Kia Niro Hoist Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2022
- Cory and Jordan put the Niro on the hoist to see how well this EV was repurposed from its original ICE platform.
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As you asked, I bought the predecessor of this model in the UK a year ago. I twas £7000 less than the model 3 and was a hatchback, which made it better for me than a sedan. Yes it’s a basic and flawed vehicle compared to a model 3, but a car is just a transportation system for me. Mine has been totally faultless over 12 months of use, it’s quiet, comfortable and easy to use. Are there better cars out there now, hell yes. Will I be charging mine, no. It’s fine for my use case.
I have the same car, it’s surprisingly efficient averaging 15,5kWh 100km.
If it's been faultless, how can it be a flawed vehicle.
@@Robert-cu9bm It’s simply cheaper so it doesn’t offer some luxuries, performance or range of higher end vehicles. It’s not technically a flaw but needs to be acknowledged that if you can pay more, you will get more.
"just a transportation system" they sould use that for their marketing material insted of "movement that inspires"
If a model 3 cost the same, would you prefer it over the Niro?
People need to understand that the future of mobility still needs basic econoboxes. It's true. I've been poor, when you are you don't have time or mental space for inspiration, you just need transportation. We need more basic ass vehicles and we need them cheaper. This is still too much but it's a step in the right direction.
Chevy managed to come in a few $K below the Niro with the 2023 Bolt. Bolt’s feature set is similar. It will be interesting to see if GM can cut costs more with Ultium. GM is stodgy, but so many years in business does create a knowledge base for achieving engineering efficiency.
18:55 - Independent rear suspension definitely isn't "as basic as it gets" lol.. :D There are still cars manufactured with a torsion bar!
Smaller single brake piston but it's doing most of its braking regeneratively. Might not be the flashiest car but it's a smash hit with families in the UK and Europe for storage, range, efficiency, trim level value for money, commuting and road trips.
By the way Cory and Jordan, good of you to look at affordable EVs too. Merry Christmas to Muro & associates.
Such a great presentation with the calming voices and detail, as always, is great.
no ummmmmms or aaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhs, indeed, can actually watch and listen...
Nice catch with that kinked hose, future recall maybe?
I wonder if they wont switch mid-cycle to nylon. Seems like it was perhaps originally designed for nylon and someone decided to "hedge their bets" and use rubber for now.
Nice catch on that kinked hose, theres so many little gothca when building a car. Also shout out to Detroit Denim in Detroit and Dearborn Denim in Chicago for soucing and making jeans here in the US.
Yes, agreed. But this is so basic - no excuses for this. I've made the same mistake, but I'm an amateur DIYer who was replacing a hose using generic tubing. I caught my mistake, but doesn't seem like Kia did.
@@cbmusgrave Kia might get away with it. The flow rate, pressure and temperatures in EV coolant loops are much lower than those in ICE. None the less, it looks like a rookie design mistake that should not have made it into production units.
Thanks for reviewing a more affordable EV. I’ve got one of these on order for May delivery. I’m not super excited about it but I’ll be happy not to take my BMW 3-series ICE in for repair every three months.
Horses for courses. Bought my wife a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq EV sedan which is definitely at the lower end of EVs- 170 mile range, based on an ICE platform. It is, in a word, a great car. Super efficient, power and handling good enough, whisper quiet, and very comfortable. Would buy one as my daily driver- probably not as I'd prefer some more power and better handling..
14:55 Replacing an entire pack due to a failed contactor or fuse is _insane_ . I hope you don’t actually suggest that to your clients because that is an incredibly bad idea.
Regarding the cost of the suspension components, I think it depends on the cost of the vehicle. As far as EVs go, this isn’t a terribly expensive vehicle. Rivian R1 vehicles are twice as expensive as this and advertised as off-road capable as well as a “performance truck/SUV”, so it is expected to be built with a more capable suspension system. It’s also 3000lbs heavier with about 4x as much horsepower as this, so it needs the expensive brakes. The Kia is a lower cost, on-road “basic” vehicle, so it doesn’t need expensive, long-travel air suspension and 6-piston brakes like the Rivian does.
I am curious why using the simple single piston disc brake is a problem on the Niro EV when regenerative braking is doing the bulk of the work? I seem to remember Sandy commenting on this when he discovered that the VW ID4 used drum brakes in the rear.
Being an EV, that Disc Brake is not used that much, so I’m not sure having tremendous brakes is really that necessary. After all, these vehicles have regenerative braking that allows the energy to recharge the battery!
However when the battery is totally charged, regenerative braking is not possible, as you can’t charge into a saturated with charge lithium battery , so you have to have fully working, effective friction brake!
@@zaandam0172 however, the brakes on an EV are extremely long lasting anyway. But Drum brakes are also often known for having springs break or come off the pin at the top, and for the Star Gear screw shaft adjuster at the bottom to corrosion freeze itself so the brake shows will not self adjust our when worn. So the drum brake reappearing on the market, ix a most unwelcome site. This type of brake is not reliable as compared to disc brakes. There is also the question of their ability to be fast reacting with the pulsing of antilock brake systems. With the springs and cables, the parts could resonate and become dislodged and end up grinding themselves against the rotating drum from the vibration of the staccato action of the ABS system. The Drum brake was basically retired by the time ABS systems were deployed to the model years and I bet that antilock Brake Systems was the final nail in the coffin in the decision making process of automotive engineers.
You guys are fantastic. Real engineering-level analysis that doesn't condescend or dumb down. You also tell it like is, even if it hurts someone's feelings a little, like that kink in that line.
Hope that kink issue gets to KIA and corrected. Though I'm not exactly sure the seriousness but there should not be a kink, I don't want kinks on my garden hose as it impedes flow so there you go.
Hey Cory, your viewers are noticing the significant weight loss, keep up the great work!
that's properly why he got the jeans sponsorship.
I love the concept of serviceable BMS, contactors, and fusing. Anything to prevent that pack from needing replaced which is the fear of any EV Owner and anyone who is a critic of EVs it is one of the first detractors they bring up, that replacing the $15,000 battery will total the car when it gets older well before it would die if a gasoline engine car. I don’t agree, but I have had to endure that lame argument from many people.
a lot of the OEM EV's remind me of engineering class where you are given a bag of K'nex pieces and you have to move an object from point A to B. If you could create parts then it could be done super efficiently, but because you're forced to use specific parts in the bag of K'nex, you end up with something that, albeit working, is a convoluted mess of inefficiencies.
Great video, love the details!
Bought a 2022 Niro EV last January. I love the car, do all the undercarriage components prevent me from buying one, no. Sandy did a great walk-through, very educational, just like all your shows. For all the info, it is a reasonably priced well built car. Do I need super speed, no, in fact, who does. All the super performance cars being sold are really very silly. Just like 4 wheel drive for people who live in Florida etc. you don’t need it, but people buy stuff they don’t need all the time. The Niro has a sport mode which makes it “fast” if I feel the need for speed. But where I live (New England), do I need stupid performance, no. I own an EV for economical reasons (and so I can avoid big oil). So as a middle aged man, I say more power to Kia/Hyundai, build quality and keep the costs low. Also, side note. I was in London in September. I never saw so many Kia Niro EVs. Not sure if the were some sort of Uber fleet, but apparently the Brits like them.
I live in London and my father has just ordered a new Kia E Niro. If I'm not mistaken, the older gen E niro was a limited production for UK and a fair few of those were reserved for Uber drivers to purchase at a discounted price. The old gen is in fact very popular and a great choice for Uber drivers in London.
Glad you're enjoying your E Niro - seems to be a very reasonable EV.
Yup, the original e-Niro was the second most popular EV in the uk, behind the Model 3.
12:00 thanks for Battery review. Bottom Pan if coolant running in that pan area in it will be VERY difficult to thermally control, WINTER TIME would be incredibly difficult to warm up batteries with that huge surface exposed to weather.
It would be interesting to see the battery teardown. I wonder if they electrically heat the the battery for cold weather start-up.
It probably has a plastic cover, apparently removed for the inspection.
@@fascistpedant758 I was thinking the same thing that they took off one or more aero panels to show off the components, but they talked about the leading edge of the battery being proud of (below) the suspension components and the low voltage wires being exposed. That wouldn’t have been an issue if there were plastic panels there to deflect debris. I have a 2001 Honda Insight and they have plastic panels on the bottom of the car for both aero and to protect the HV wiring under the car, you’d think 20+ years later Kia would know to do the same. On the Honda, the hybrid battery is much smaller, only around 2 KWH, so it is behind the seats, not under the car. The Honda is also purpose built for the application and not adapted from an ICE platform.
Happy to see that you look at afordable EVs as well :). Regarding your question. I do not care. as long as it is safe and will not rust after 5 years I do not care :)
12:00 THANKS SO MUCH FVOR REVIEW!!! Battery bottom side Very susceptible to damage, especially the cooling channels. Debris hit to that bottom skin and the water channels could be damaged and ruin the battery or at least cooling capacity.
🧐16:45 What’s that being BLURRED OUT over Jordan’s left shoulder?!?!
(The designs for Santa’s all-electric sleigh?🤪)
Nice review, it is impressive your knowledge of car components. If I owned a car manufacturer I would send every pre-production car to your house for review. Thus preventing future service issues.
I hear they can be hired to look at a design before it even hits pre-production...
I assume Cory and Jordan recognised that this is a completely different design from the old model. The motor is now an internally "wet" design and fully integrated with the GRU input shaft as with most newer EVs, running ATF instead of 70W. That will hopefully eliminate motor bearing spin and GRU noise problems that have affected the original Niro and Kona. I'm unsure why they were saying that the IRS is "cheap" when clearly that title belongs to the twist beam used in the Bolt and Leaf, which thankfully wouldn't fit as they noted. Isn't the entire point of Munro to help manufacturers reduce cost so don't moan when they do it. The kinked hose was a sloppy and embarrassing defect for a Kia but a good catch.
About the battery underside, it looks like that's the cooling system. Kia diverge from Hyundai in not using a low-conductivity coolant. Perhaps placing the cooling on the outside of the pack structure reduces the risk of coolant incursion?
Wow!
It would be useful if you talked about how to service/ fix vehicles in your design analysis. cost savings in manufacturing versus cost of owning a vehicle 10 to 15 years.
It would be interesting and helpful if you could do some analysis on long time durability and fix ability.😊
agreed. Does Munro work with insurance companies on the repairability of a car after a wreck. Seems like a lot of the BEVs you review are not not very repairable.
@@hogfanboy9443 Getting hit at 60mph on the highway will make your ICE unrepairable. Getting hit at 45mph in the city can make your ICE unrepairable.
5:20 if you ever tried to deal with 10+ years old plastic quick connects, you would definitely want the car industry to stop moving toward disposable products.
THANKS CORY ,…for the warning ⚠️ 😂
THANKS JORDAN,ERIC AND THE REST OF THE MUNRO TEAM 🤗💚💚💚
Thanks for another great video. I just want the suspension to give me a comfortable ride. This is my complaint on my model Y.
Thank you for the video & information! Have a happy new year! 🎉🎉
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Great smugglers box above that battery.
Worried my cat is going to climb in there!
Love this kind of video content from Munro Live. You show use the vehicle in a way we cannot see when going to buy it. I get to hear the good, bad, the ?? did they do that for. We hear that this vehicle is not something engineers would choose (as a 1st choice) after a walk under, when compared to other makers. That helps out a lot. Normal buyers would have no idea about it. Possible issues with kink hoses, that's not a good sign. Meh suspension but build well all things considered. Wasted space due to platform. Not the best design for aerodynamics (but acceptable) and possibility for water intrusion. Overall, it's not a total loss and does show improvement as you said. Buying that for 44k...um no. For 39k...umm still a no. That is what we as viewers need to know. Thank you for helping us become more informed towards vehicle purchases.
Great job !!
That's a big empty space for critter/foreign material to accumulate. Not the mention space that could've utilized for other components or a better internal storage area.
The strange Screwheads are special for automated installation for Flowdrill Screws. For instance from EJOT
Excellent review and comments!
So far as the kinked hose goes, the short end, where the kink is, is too long. Cut an inch off it. loosen the far end to enable an element of rotation, and refit. Then ensure good clamp sealing either end. I agree that hard-hoses are 'better', but my experience at the coal-face in car repairs and also durability testing, tells me they have a higher catastrophic failure rate than soft hoses. They suffer from environmental degradation and temperature degradation. They also disintegrate when removed in older vehicles that need repairs, and are usually unobtainable by then. Part of the logic behind EVs is their longevity and lesser need for replacement, which counteracts all the reasons for these click-to-fit designs. O-rings are notorious for hardening and giving up the ghost long before a soft hose with a 'jubilee' clip ever does. There are cars from the seventies still around with their original rubber hoses, driving around without problems. While I agree that manufacturing economy is also critical, some deep thought needs applying to these remote component interconnections. Universal sealing and gasketry is the best by far for longevity, even now. I still struggle to understand why a manufacturer with a blank sheet of paper, even with basic off-the-shelf components they add bracketry to, don't design them to connect directly to the motor assembly. Compressors, heat exchangers, pumps, even radiators, can safely be attached without remote connections. Caste you mind back to the tiny Citroen 2CV, a flat-twin air-cooled economy car from post-war to the eighties. It had an oil cooler attached solidly to the crank case. Whilst leakage did occur occasionally, it isn't a known weal spot on these durable power-plants, and they vibrate like a road roller. Oh well, enough from me for the time being.
Just have a molded hose.
I think this kind of architecture is needed. People in Third world countries cannot transition to an EV world yet. So companies will still need to make ICE vehicles until EVs are as cheap as an ICE compact vehicle
Don't worry, ICE will still be available in the 2nd hand markets to buy in the decades to come. The parts to repair ICE over those decades will be harder to come by as more time passes by.
Thank you!
Thank you Mr Fox
Please purchase some mid price green laser pointers for your videos. Slightly de-focus the lens (some disassembly required) so it produces a 1 cm dot at 1 meter. You're not pointing at an overhead projector screen from the '80's.
Great insight
Wow they just helped this automaker with their first recall for this vehicle with that kinked hose!
It'll only be a recall if they're having problems with it that'll cause more cost
69 watt hours per pound in a 420kg battery pack, nice
Can’t wait for you guys to do similar reviews on the Chinese built EVs (if the US opens its doors to have them imported there) … the MG4 by MG is receiving lots of good reviews for quality and price, but how good really is it? when checked by the experts in Munro … now that’s what I want to see
Guy in Europe ran an MG EV, it wasn't all good....
Chinese imported EV will be taxed more than our other trade partners who are in the US trade agreement like S.Korea. That’s why Toyotas are made Mexico and Texas to avoid import taxes. I don’t think Chinese EV will be cheaper than others/domestic cars. However, I’d love to see a tear down of BYD and NIO.
Tesla is increasingly Chinese built.
@@AlanTov They are gonna try and bring in Chinese made units to Europe, that ain't gonna fly in EU...they protect their own..unlike the U.s. Besides Tesla China is on shutdown now anyway, and German tesla factory, ain't producing what they claimed they could...they literally cannot get enough workers, since they pay well below other real car makers in Germany, no one wants to work there, when the real car makers pay better... Tesla has a lot to learn....
You and all here will NEVER see the MG4 or other ChicCom EVs in the States. Volvo snuck in two under their badge, but NEVER any others. They are too good for the USA market, and would make the USA EVs. look like ' an illicit EV child of a Pinto and a Yugo
Pretty soon we will be back at 4 wheel drums.
Like vw is trying to do? 😀
I'm for formula e gen 3 style with no rear brakes at all. If an all electric race car capable of 200+mph can do away with the rear brakes?
Why not on awd st evs also? Evs should use inboard brakes as well imo or a setup like the Myers manx where the rotors are on the stators themselves. With the caliper fixed to the motor housing inboard. 👍🏻
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Happy new year
Those shafts from the motor to the wheels had not the same lenght. The new ones are still diferent lenghtwise?
If you’re paying less then $25K then this would be expected but not at this price point.
19:00 Danke for review! Rear suspension is 'Thrifty', but worlds better than POS twist beam garbage. Loads of wasted space under rear seat area. Could have been used for some sort of Cubby storage.
They should have put the DC-DC converter and onboard charger under there so that the car could have a proper frunk.
Another cheap way is coaxial tubular. AMC/Renault did that with the Alliance. It is a pain if the inner bushing needs service though.
Really interesting thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
At the end a the day you always do great content.
cooling hose is able to disconnect for maintenance...clever, not a mistake
10:10 internal splines are the best choise also beacause they are much harder to damage whilte toquing in or out especially after bolt heads' got some rust damage.
Perhaps an additional mention of the purchasing issues from Hyundai/Kia dealers merits attention as they seem to be tacking on $ thousands above the MSRP.
"Sucker Born Every Minute"
It's called supply and demand. If you don't like it, go buy a Tesla, where the price is openly listed on the website.
Got mine under MSRP
16:46 I wonder what was hidden behind those pixelling?
My comment, exactly!
Great analysis and would be nice to hear how you'd compare these design decisions, material, clamps, connects, routings, sub-assemblies, build quality, manufacture complexities and line assembly time...etc to other cars in it's price range that it competes with. Maybe a summary chart with a scoring system of some kind?
What this vehicle looks like to me is EV engineering that is forced into very poor constraints by a legacy chassis. More parts, more failure points, more exposure to elements, less rigidity leading to less longevity, odd material choices due to unknown constraints, extra weight for unknown reasons...etc
I just drove this yesterday and it's very nice to drive. My Mother's 2012 Elantra has I-beam rear and it jumps around over bumps and is awful. the Niro has IRS at least, and as far as cheap it's still a $43K can vs the ICE $30K same spec car. Where is the $13K extra going in cost? Seems to me lifelong ICE service cost is packed, in upfront, into KIA EVs sale price. ICE components vs EV component cost makes a $13K difference? I can't believe that!
Yes, Twist Beam Axle are total Garbage. This is cheap made, but much better than Twist Junk
Batteries, and greed. Because they sell every one they make.
I like how they painted the CV joints. Never seen that before.
I wish I was able to express the technical topics with such ease.
sandy and fam merry xmas !!!
I've seen this torque reaction coupling before (lower connection of motor to frame in the middle) but is it meant to be in tension or compression under drive torque? I ask because my mind says it is under tension when the front wheels are being driven. The axle turning forward would want to turn the motor backward (if it were free) and need a connection to resist that turn...no?
I switched from a Ford Focus with twist-arm + 3 link suspension to a VW Jetta twist beam and back to the multi-link on my 2022 Niro. The VW performance around curves was garbage and much less predictable.
.............00000000001 % of the public go rock crawling in the Moab!!!
Being an EV, that Disc Brake is not used that much, so I’m not sure having tremendous brakes is really that necessary. After all, these vehicles have regenerative braking that allows the energy to recharge the battery!
However when the battery is totally charged, regenerative braking is not possible, as you can’t charge into a saturated with charge lithium battery , so you have to have fully working friction brake!
On the need of fancy, nice suspension or the "quick 'n easy" way ... use case, as usual, tends to dictate.
Doing some high performance driving or off roading .. you get one answer. Just doing "daily stuff" brings in other potential answers.
How do you think the vehicle will be good in a canadian winter with snow?
The battery is lower than the front.
There is an empty space at the back above the battery, is it closed by a cover?
Are the cables (not the charging ones) of the battery protected?
Thanks!
To answer Cory's question, I primarily care that the range is good at 285m and the price is OK too. I take the point about packaging and wasted space under the rear seats - perhaps a larger battery can go there over time.
23:30 short answer: no, i would prefer simple suspenion setup but modern (still simple) propulsion. You don't need all this disposable aluminium in suspension to make a car feel great. E46 had most arms stamped steel, E36 had all stamped steel, all japanese 90s sport classics had stamped steel, GR86 in 2023 still has all-steel rear. My 2001 w210 had all-steel suspension and its' ride felt more expensive compairing to my 2015 w212. I was disguested by BMW's F30/F32, I driven couple of them (in extremely good and worse condition but all with 90+ thousand kilometers) and the steering and ride feel was slightly better or the same as Renault Clio with 100+ thousands (I've driven dozens of them). Fine tuning, good tires and right layout is the key, not the expensive tech that tries to hide all that marketing bullshit that affected layout and basement of car's performance.
Driving in winter salt I find the aluminum suspension components do not corrode or rust like the steel ones. My 2017 Model s which only has steel upper controls arms, struts and shocks I'm constantly undercoating these peices to keep the rust at bay.
15::03 A blown fuse, you say?🤔Why stop at the pack? Just replace the whole vehicle! After all, it's more profitable!🤑 /s
So with the gap from the body to the battery being so large, could they not pull the battery in tighter and allow for more clearance?
Suspension expectations depend on the purpose of the vehicle we buy it for. The current and only car serves as a family car. It's a Tesla MS (although I will never buy or recommend any other Tesla anymore due to very bad customer treatment and very poor service quality). Because it sits quite low, it's sometimes very helpful to be able to raise the suspension - would it be higher, I wouldn't care about it at all.
The next car I fancy is the Rivian R1T (once it will be available in Europe): again, this would server a special purpose which is to be the family adventure car (with roof tents etc). For being able to do the job, the suspension needs to cover what it does now. By then, we'll most probably have anoter EV to get around on a daily base, to do the groceries, etc. This can be a not so spacious car with whatever suspension, just to get around.
So: it depends on the purpose for us (to answer your question).
I don’t look for “rock crawling in Moab” suspension, but do look for good handling sports car suspension vs. low cost when buying an EV. However, I would think there is a great market for low cost suspension like shown in the Kia Niro.
Amazing how Kia/Hyundai produced so many EV’s so fast vs the competition
I was just wondering - did anyone ask about the heavy truck repair mechanics about the inner torx bolts? I kind of remember watching a british guy Chris Allen struggle with those...
I was going to make a similar remark. The recessed Torx isn’t service-friendly. It isn’t worth it to save a few grams of mass each on three bolts. Of course it’ll never need service, right? 😊
To answer your question about "do I care" about this being a simple rear suspension construction method: emphatically no.
So far I have not been able to afford an electric car, no matter how much I want one. The space I have is also too small for most EVs, including the Niro. I recognise that the smaller cars that are coming will be cheaper, and it is unreasonable to expect the sort of construction to be found, and needed, in vehicles like the Rivian or Tesla Y.
Can you get access to Tesla's virtual crash analysis program that lets them predict crash performance and other competitors programs?
It's still repurposed, rejiggered - not designed from the bottom up as a software platform that self-tests throughout the assembly process incorporating maximum hardware, whole system software, sensors, cameras, etc. In other words, non-Teslas are ill-conceived half measures stalling for time while their ICE vehicles' demand continues to drop.
Per Tony Seba, as an automobile is not just a faster horse, a disruptive technology EV is not just an legacy automobile stuffed with batteries and motors.
Not everyone can/will or even wants to buy the latest gee-whiz bobble. People buy vehicles for many different reasons. The TAM for $50,000 and up cars is small. The company that can entice a new car buyer (only ~45% of the population anyways) into an EV and hopefully "brand" them has a better chance of selling more EVs. Most people don't care what it looks like under the skin. How much does it cost? Does it fit my needs? That is what most people care about. Anyone that sells to the public will tell you those are the most important factors in a purchase decision. Tesla got the ball rolling but can't meet demand. All the OEMs combined can't meet the demand ATM. Getting more EVs on the street is more important to the OEMs and 95% of the customers than nailing the "perfect" design. Teslas aren't designed to be the absolute best. They are designed to balance production speed and cost VS all the other factors.
Yeah, that’s great and all but I still want a knob to adjust my fan speed.
"A family of racoons." 🤣🤣🤣. In Arizona, that would be a colony of pack rats!
Is there a belly pan that you took off to see the structure?
In order to accomplish mass adoption, common suspensions will be necessary even if high brow Munro drivers would never want to drive them. I grew up on Dodge Darts and Plymouth Dusters (rwd) not that FWD, four cylinder Go Cart Dodge made that defiled the Dodge Dart name.
I’d love to see a revival of the Front Torsion Bar Suspension and rear Leaf String Suspension, so that all you have to do is use an air impact gun to screw in a bolt, at the torsion bar end on each side, to raise a sagging suspension!
Good!!!
Yes! We want the suspension components to NOT be the "lowest" cost. EVs are heavy, and expensive, so we would like to see components that will last.
Cheap does not mean they wont last, and expensive doesnt mean they will. In fact, elegance and simplicity in engineering is often equated with durability.
Not everyone can afford a 100k plus car
What would be their first pick in the under 50K price range?
Tesla, primarily because of Supercharger network. and many of them around, so at least somebody somewhere will know how to fix.
@@pablopicaro7649 Is there in actuality a sub 50k Tesla?
@@patreekotime4578No. plus Musk
well, look@ that? Hmm...a front & rear stamp frame, bolted 2 the body! such a cool design, for a hot product! woohoo!
good night! I could stick a 55 gal drum in there! good luck every1 !!
You can feel the difference when driving a car with a cheap suspension vs high grade components. Not necessarily for off roading but certainly the feel behind the wheel.
Callin bs on that one. Ive owned cars with dirt cheap suspension on normal tires and cars with nicer suspension on low profile tires and I would gladly drive the cheaper one over the fancier one. Low profile tires make for a terrible ride no matter what the suspension is. I will be glad when that trend is over.
@@patreekotime4578 then why when asked “would you buy a car with a low cost suspension” did both engineers say absolutely NOT. Some folks are in tune with the feel of the car and some are not. There’s plenty of good cars with cheap suspensions that folks are very happy with. Other folks with a higher driving engagement prefer a higher quality road feel. To each their own.
@@steveam29 Because snobbery often prevents people from using common sense. Just like how Carl is obsessed with leather seats even though they are hot, sticky, age terribly and are a nightmare to figure out which area is real leather or not to use the right cleaning product on. And especially engineers are prone to be infected with snobbery when it comes to solutions that trigger design fetishism.... solutions in search of a problem, or just plain cool factor. For instance, the best aero for tires is absolutely flat wheel covers... and that has been known for over 100 years. And even though EVs dont need slotted rims to keep the brakes cool as the brakes are almost never used, these same engineers will often comment on how cool certain rims look. Even though the demands of both the product and cost would say use flat wheel covers. And when I say snobbery, i dont mean it derogatory... we ALL have blind spots because of things we just prefer because we assume its the best. 0
A multi-link suspension like this one isn't a cheap suspension. A twist beam is. Not sure what they are expecting here. This car articulates perfectly well with the back end which results in an agreeable ride. Reasonably-sized wheels help as well. The Niro has good ride quality.
What are the two thin metal brackets hanging over the rear end of the battery for?
To attach the battery to the car.
@@jamesvandamme7786 no they are flopping in the air, sticking way past the battery on the bottom edge. They could be some kind of shields for protecting fasteners on the actual brackets I suppose. Two shiny and very thin metal ones. See 19:45.
So is the whole bottom of the motor/transmission exposed to the road?
Im not an enginer but is it possible to pack a second row battery cells above the first one if there is free space?
Rivian has two stacks of cells in their battery
Call up a Kia or Hyundai dealership and ask how many motors they send back to Korea a week
I agree with both of you and the kink is a weak point!
23:39 yes, I want travel and clearance
That battery leading edge is bad. Didn’t Kia do almost the same thing in the previous iteration? Exposed LV wires, not good!
The Ioniq 6 should make for a very interesting analysis.
Along with the EV6
Performance matters, Porsche uses like 6 pistons, Audi RS almost, maybe 4 it matters to have a car stop as good or better than it goes...cheap brake components is not good, ever
corey i dont get the joke plz explain :) :) :) woo woo woo !!! happy holidays to the whole LIVE team !!!
i don't think jordan got it either
i think it's a line from the movie Talladega Nights. Cory referenced it in another video and Sandy didn't get the joke. He's obviously a fan
Ricky Bobby PSA th-cam.com/video/JGMGogrjdlo/w-d-xo.html
from an old funny movie - very few got it
Was that an unprotected electrical connector, pins and wires exposed, at the front of the battery pack? If so guaranteed to collect water and dirt - which don't mix well with electricity 😄
It above a plastic shield, I believe they stated. And the were low-voltage connections.
17:39 you missed the opportunity to say you can fit two mexicans in there. 😂
Sorry, your $150 contactor failed, but good news (for us), you get to replace the entire $15,000 battery because we made it non-serviceable.
No - that's a horrible design. Serviceability is key if you want to win ICE customers.
pre·ten·tious:
attempting to impress by affecting greater importance, talent, culture, etc., than is actually possessed:
Y'all are quick to say this car isn't your first choice but what IS your first choice IN THIS PRICE RANGE? I want a Taycan, who doesn't? But I'm not spending buy a house money on basic transportation; that's just a bad investment.
Bolt.