I've had a Ionic 6 for 6 months now, it drives fabulous and the range estimate, way better than Model 3. Now I disagree with one aspect, noise cabin. The very reason of why I chose this car over the Model 3, is because the cabin quieter than the Model 3 and even than the Genesis G80 2016 that I have. So I'm really happy with the car and I recommend it to anyone!
I have Genesis G80 2016 and thinking of moving to electric vehicle Ioniq 6, but to avoid the problems with charging the EV on long roads I ususaly take ...
Love everything about this review. But there's one thing I want to note, this car (IONIQ 6) isn't loud, especially compared to a Tesla Model 3. I've driven both extensively. The Model 3 feels clunky from the moment you close that loose sounding door, to the rattles here and there, to the excessive road noise and bumps. The IONIQ 6 is miles better, from that solid thump when you close the door (you can even hear it in this review, 22:36, similar to much more expensive German brands), to the very quiet cabin, very little road noise, and ZERO rattles. You get the right amount of bumps, slightly isolated but enough for you to feel the road. The mechanics aside, this car to a driver feels like a way more refined and matured product than the Model 3. It makes the Model 3 feel like it's been put together by novices. I'm guessing by "loud" you're referring to the artificial sound all EV makes, with the top trim you can adjust the volume. So the car isn't loud at all. The first thing I noticed coming from a Model 3 to the IONIQ 6 is how quiet and solid the car feels on the road.
Yeah, that part surprised me too. He described the Ioniq 6 as "extremely loud" compared to the Model 3, which is pretty much the opposite of what every other reviewer I've seen has said. Makes me question his other opinions as well.
And remember that he is comparing to the old Model 3. The new revised Highland Model 3, which is not yet available in the USA, is going to knock this so far out of the park it's not even funny.
F I N A L L Y ! Someone (thx eric c) tells THE Truth!!! i've rented 8 3's and 2 s90D's since 2018, drop the tesla name and be nuetral and judge for yourself, ask WHY the 3's keep using our (all other EV's- non T) Level 2 chargers!?? because T system costs too much larer on, largest rechrg in North America but...costs are excessive, they take our spots. their seats are far less comfortable for further travels vs our 6 from April 7th this year from Oregon to SD, cali. thx mister Chen, great pt.
21:26 That actually isn't a brake vent (brake cooling vents usually guide airflow in from the inboard side of the wheel), but is a drag reduction feature that some manufacturers call an 'air curtain'. This airflow helps contain the turbulence caused by the spinning wheels, which would otherwise spread out and cause more drag. Additionally, it helps make the front of the car less square from an aerodynamic perspective, while still allowing the car to look square from a styling perspective. Features that reduce drag near the driver/front seats are important because drag results in wind noise. That's why some cars that aren't focused on drag or fuel efficiency still have air curtains.
Correct. It’s called an Air Curtain and help direct high pressure air on the nose through the curtains and remove air pressure in the wheel well. Many newer cars, EV and ICE, use air curtains. And the flair arch in the front wheel well is 100% function, it’s not for looks. The Car Care Nut may be knowledgeable about car mechanics but not on aerodynamics. This entire car is designed for maximizing range and reducing aerodynamic drag. It was not designed for its looks. This is why it looks similar to a Porsche because Porsche were also designed with aerodynamic efficiency in mind. This is why they are some of the best cars on the race track, because at high speeds, it’s all about the aero!
Lets go a step further and be totally honest. Those air curtains - on MOST cars - are little more than a styling gimmick. Firstly, air is going to come around the front fascia and flow across the face of the wheel anyway. In fact a lot of it is going to do just that around the outside of the air curtain tunnel too, whether the little air curtain tunnel is there or not. Secondly, the amount of difference it's going to make at 60 or 70 miles per hour is simply minuscule. Like literally 0.001% of a difference. Over the lifetime of the car, it MIGHT add up to enough energy savings to pay for the extra plastic it took to make the dang thing. And I use the word MIGHT there optimistically.
Also,just so no one is confused, the interior ambient lighting does not flash like in his video. The flashing is caused by an interference between the high frequency duty cycle of the LED lighting and the shutter/frame rate of the video camera. To the naked eye there will be no flashing, just soothing lighting.
Yes Sir, just the vid cam mhz is not the same and causes this. love, Would of PAID extra for the colors of ambient in the doors and floor panel BUT the Long Range it is NOT available in the SE, remember MY MODEL is the ONLY ONE that gets over (U.S.) 371 miles, Yes not 361 adv, but I actually with L-e then top off post charge with L-2 to 3 8 7 MILES of range! I have fotos if you don't believe...miss the folding mirrors for safety too. But RANGE is MOST import. to us! Goes further folks than ANY Model 3 !
@@Steve_in_NJ Its a dealer to dealer basis. The one im working with is extremely helpful. Not to mention the shortage is coming to an end on this side, so they aren't able to mark it up to the moon anymore.
When I picked mine up the Hyundai trainer was there. He had some hand wavy excuse for the wired CarPlay. The sales guy was astonished that he didn’t have to teach me anything - did my research and we already had a Mini EV. The free ElectrifyAmerica charging is a scam, though. Still get charged every time.
I have the 2024 Ioniq6 SEL RWD long range. Lots of either incorrect information or personal impressions couched as facts. It's a fabulous car to drive; hugs the roads like a sport car; it's not a Rolls Royce, but it definitely is an impressive looking luxury vehicle; he didn't mention it but the car has a drag coefficient of 0.22 - the most aerodynamic electric vehicle currently manufactured. Very comfortable and quiet (quieter than the Tesla 3). You can adjust the pressure sensitivity of the acceleration pedal to achieve 0 - 60 in 5 seconds with the long range RWD model in "SPORT" mode. I get 315 miles on full charge even though Hyundai advertised as it as getting 305 miles. Test drove both the Ioniq6 and Tesla3 on the same day and came to the conclusion that the Hyundai was leaps and bounds better designed and constructed than the Tesla.
What I like about this channel is this mechanic actually learns, does his homework then makes it simple for us noobs. Many people just comment without even knowing the underneath engineering and basic principals, they just comment from their prejudice which really isn't helpful
@@LeavingCaladan I've learnt so much about these Hybrids, basic architecture and differences between Hyundai's and Tesla's, same with Hybrids of Hyundai versus Toyota... don't think any other channel truly talks about it in this style, but oh well.
I bought a 2024 Ioniq 6 Limited in January 2024, and have since driven a few thousand miles glorious with it. It’s an extremely quiet vehicle when it’s buttoned up on freeways, or sitting in my driveway with the radio playing. Today, we were taking my wife’s Prius to the local body shop to get the rear bumper cover replaced. Her car was still in the garage, directly behind me. After waiting for several moments for her to give me a signal to go, she appears beside my driver’s door, looking a bit upset. “Didn’t you hear me honking the horn?” said she. No, I didn’t, said I. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how quiet and soundproof the Ioniq 6 is! Additionally, the Limited trim line is definitely a “luxury” car (Consumer Reports classified it as such). Except for the lack of burled walnut paneling and “rich Corinthian leather,” it’s equipped with everything else, including a 120 volt outlet. I only added a modest subwoofer and a nifty little module that automatically locks the doors 10 seconds after exiting.
I have the 2023 Ioniq 5 and my wife just got the 2024 Ioniq 6. We both love these cars! I don't understand why you think they are loud because these are the quietest cars I have ever rode in and my stress level goes down a notch every time I drive. My step son has the Tesla model 3 and it really doesn't seem quieter to me plus my wife was totally turned off by the giant iPad in the middle as the only visual feedback. As far as the shifter, we both acclimated to it in a few days. The main thing to remember is rotate it forward to go forward and rotate it backward to go backward. I do agree that Tesla does a better job of integrating the cooling systems and I do worry about how the plumbing will hold up over time. Thanks for the video, I really enjoy your channel!!
This guy is the first reviewer to claim the ioniq 6 is loud or noisy during highway driving. Every reviewer I’ve seen has claimed this car is quiet during highway driving.
The one criticism I want to push back on is the noise. As a new Ioniq 6 owner, I find it to be very quiet in all road and weather conditions. I have too much respect for our host to claim that he's wrong, but maybe the one he reviewed was subpar in this regard?
@@cterry511 it is a nicer driving car than Tesla......but still don't have OTA software update and out of town charging still lacking in Canada; anyhow, enjoy!
Now we know why. Speaking at the 2022 Los Angeles Auto Show, Lee told our own Chris Tsui that the transparent radio antennae plunked on top of the Ioniq 6 has its roots in a 1990s icon that nearly all of us can instantly picture: Apple’s transparent iMac. “This is definitely intentional. Everybody is body-colored or black and Ioniq 6 is something very special. We have a very beautiful, streamlined roofline and … also the pixel [lights] is something that we take as our brand character which is nostalgic yet has a digital feeling to it,” Lee said. “The same idea applies to this antenna, it's like the first-generation Apple iMac.”
IONIQ drivers take note :: I did not realize I ALSO SHOULD CARRY THAT KEY along w/my fob!! very good FYI.. critical !! a MUST have @ all times!! thank you ! joe
This is leaps and bounds a better looking car than the bland Teslas, Interior I prefer the dual screen setup in the Ioniq rather than a huge laptop stuck on the dash. I'd buy the Ioniq 6. That said he didnt mention in this video that Hyundais come with the ccs charging system whereas Tesla uses the NACS system. Hyundai is switching next year so they will have the NACS system interface so you can charge with Tesla chargers. Good reason to wait or you will have to use an adapter every time
If looks is your main reason for getting an EV than yes, the Ioniq would of been my main choice but I had to look at the whole package and the Ioniq just didn't make sense. When it comes to technology, driving performance, range, and charging network, Hyundai is still far behind Tesla just like this review stated.
“Electric vehicles need more cooling airflow than gasoline cars is a 100% incorrect statement.”I think the author is overstating an EVs need for cooling while forgetting that the fact that the number one thing an ICE engine does is create heat. In fact more than 60% of the energy released in combustion typically, will be heat. Just look at the area required for an ICE engine coolant radiator and the size of ICE air flowing grills.
One feature, unmentioned, that might sway many potential buyers, is being able to take the car to an actual local dealer for service/warranty vs. waiting for a possibly out-of-state tech to show up.
hey dude, your videos are like none other, they are so entertaining and informative,also your sense of humor is the icing on the cake, keep up the good work
Dump the 20" wheels and buy some 18". I went from 306 mi range to 360-370 range. The SE model comes with 18" and is advertised with a 361 mile range. I bought the SEL and dropped to 18" rims, Big improvement!!
@@anthonyeleven1 Got it! Thanks for sharing this. Any idea what someone should expect in highway range driving at 75mph (the legal speed limit in much of the Mountain West)?
It’s suppose to be based on 1930’s art deco streamline designs, but the back is all Saab 900 and the front is panamera like. Love the review, honestly the in-depth and insightful commentary keeps bringing me back. Wish I lived near by, I’d bring all my Toyota’s to you.
As an actual owner of this car with about 11k miles, it is actually really good, my only gripes are.. 1. The sound system its truly awful I was ripping stuff out the second week of ownership. (You can see it on my TH-cam) 2. Some of the computer logic doesn't make sense. For example the car can be setup to automatically unlock when you approach the car with the key fob on you but you can't set it to automatically lock when you walk away. Another example is that if you DCFC when you finish you have to press the ignition button to "restart" the car that's already on. 3. The overall performance & handling, its adequate but I really want more but hopefully thats fixed with an ioniq 6n in the future. 4. You can't get a limited without a sunroof 😡 The good I usually get more range than the advertised range It will actually charge 10-80% in 18 minutes on 350kw charge. I disagree thats it bad on the battery, 800v batteries dont have as much current going into it to Fast charge. There are ioniq 5 oweners who exclusively fast charge and battery degradation doesn't even hit 1%. Quiet place to be and HDA II works really great and helps you drive big distance without getting tired.
This year, I started working with/ for Koreans. One would be surprised how many odd ideas those people have. Their logic is... Different. They can have a brilliant idea today and 5 completely illogical ideas tomorrow. Now I understand that they could find it very logical to put a turbo in an entry level hybrid, have reversed orientation of a "gear shift" or what you have described. I will probably avoid Korean products.
I talked to a 5 driver recently who said her battery capacity has really dropped. She drives 160 miles a day (must have a shitty on-prem job) and FCs to 95% regularly.
thorough review, I have 4000 miles on my red 2023 Ioniq6 limited awd which is the exact vehicle you reviewed.. very good driving so far.. i think it's a great vehicle that looks stunning in red & rolls just fine! 👍👍👍👍👍✅️✌️ ps.. it looks great in the driveway alongside my blue 2019 model s 100d
@@mottom2657 I’m not hate watching, lol. i like the guy, but his reviews are completely based on conjecture. I’m a master mechanic too, and just because someone is a mechanic doesn’t give them knowledge of every make and model, especially new ones. it just means you’re qualified to fix X brand (in AMDs case, toyota). i think he overuses the whole “I’m a mechanic so you can trust me” selling point. his opinions don’t make sense to me all the time.
Great review as always.... couple things. The fast charging rate is due to it being an 800V architecture.. so the Amps required to charge are about the same as any other car... but since the Volts are double.. it charges faster. Amps are where the heat comes from.. so I dont think battery damage is more likely than any other car. Also.. every EV sold to today has DC charging availiable. As to the color of the other car.. the blue is very clear on camera.. Maybe in direct sunlight it would be more visible to the human eye. Love the channel.. keep up the great videos.
Ironically I almost bought Transmission Blue in another state, but at the last second I found a newly-posted Ultimate Red locally - for 4K less and a dealer with their shit together. Live chatted with someone at 1am who set up a meeting in the morning. The sales guy SMS’d me first thing. We went over and drove the car home. First one delivered in PA, I’m still finding film to take off. I originally wanted an RWD but was told that they don’t send many to the northeast because winter, which I guess makes sense. In NY I met an RWD owner who had to go to Ohio to get his, wouldn’t want to be skinning around in a Buffalo winter. But then he’s a smoker so his judgement is already suspect.
FYI at 28:38 the little protector plastic piece is upside down. The purpose of that plastic thing is to cover up and protect the two DC charge pins while charging using a standard L2 J1772 AC charge plug. This keeps the DC pins safe and clean, especially charging on a level 2 outside in the rain and elements. As one can see, this cover is upside down which would prevent a L1 or L2 J1772 to be plugged in.
Yes, and the Ioniq 6 I was given while my Ioniq 5 was in the shop had the protector piece upside down as well, and it was a brand new vehicle. somebody at the factory needs remedial training.
Thanks for the thorough review; I especially enjoyed hearing about the powertrain and thermal management system. I’ve heard about Tesla’s “Super Manifold” thermal management system design and it was quite interesting to hear about Hyundai’s attempt.
As to battery life: In our 2022 Ioniq 5 with 30,000 miles, according to our OBD reader, our battery SoH is 99.7%. We do most of our charging at home, but do have a good number of long trips, hence the mileage. I'm not worried about the battery life.
Little correction, the oboard charger is not used when DC Fast charging, it is bypassed completely to charge the battery directly with the exception of using lower power 400v DC fast chargers. Then it passes that current through an upconverter in the inverter to step it up to 800v.
In extreme cold you can pre warm the battery while it’s still plugged in before you leave. This takes a huge load off the battery while it’s out and about.
I agreed with him all the way until he said the Ioniq 6 is noisy. That is far from the truth. The Ioniq 5 and 6 are extremely quiet inside. The acoustic is better than Testla and many analysts agree.
The key is designed in its perfection, if the battery runs out 🔋 the key fob, before it happens, the car screen warns you that the battery is low, it is your responsibility and laziness in not changing it
Thanks, especially focusing on the mechanics. I think it really has to show how the Hyundais will hold up, lease is a good idea. Compared to the Tesla 3 I thought the Ioniq 6 has a lot more space in the rear, in the Tesla I could not sit up straight.
@@anthonyeleven1hello, I’m actually planning to buy Hyundai Ionia 6 as well. Since u have bought it, could you tell me what’s the warranty status on your car? Also how much would battery replacement cost if your battery died, got run over, etc?
@@blackgold754 I've had the car for 8 months, so no real warranty issues. The applied a recall without charge. No idea how much battery replacement would cost. I suspect it wouldn't be cheap, but I also expect to not need one any time soon if at all.
@@anthonydatri7301 it’s just that I was browsing motormouth channel and they did a reporting with this guy Ky,e who bought a Hyundai Ionia 5 just a year ago and now needs a battery replacement which will cost about $60k which is insane. Now that doesn’t mean I ain’t into electric cars but I just want to be safe ya know. But I do hope that your car continues to last long but does the warranty cover your battery by any chance?
I would be interested to see a comparison between the energy consumption on the e-GMP models vs. model 3/Y. I was really surprised how much energy Tesla’s heat pump can consume. The real difference when warming the car from cold isn’t that much less energy consumed vs. the old PTC heater. In normal use in seeing 0.62kW-1.5kW of energy consumption running the heater in my EV6 GT which is actually not as much energy as I expected. My old PTC-equipped Model 3 Performance used as much as 10kW when the heater was first turned on and I saw more around 2-4kW constant draw using the heater in winter. Regarding the DC charging, one big thing vs. Tesla is how much cooler the cells stay even fast charging. There’s about a 15-20°C lower peak cell temp on my EV6 GT according to OBD data than I see on our Model Y LR AWD. The fans do not have to run at high speed and the coolant pump doesn’t seem to be running as hard and as long as the Tesla does after charging at a supercharger. I’m sure part of the benefit is the 800V architecture, but not sure if the other benefit is from a better cooling design or the pouch cells vs. the cylindrical cells Tesla uses. Regarding some of the design details… I’m fairly certain everything they did is about aerodynamics. The vent from the front to the wheel well may work like an air curtain to smooth flows over the wheels. Same thing with the little black trim that stops midway around the wheel well opening.
Recent Teslas have not only a heat pump, but also an "octovalve" that allows the HVAC system to operate in a dozen different modes. For example, one of these modes extracts heat from the hot battery pack after DC fast charging for use in the cabin. Real world efficiency will depend on so many factors, as a few of these modes have a Coefficient of Performance of 1, meaning they're no more efficient than a PTC heater, while most have a COP far higher than 1. It would be nice to see a graph of average HVAC energy consumption at 70 MPH vs temperature for various EVs, with data collected for 2 hours starting immediately after a DC fast charging session. The cell voltage range is the same for any given chemistry, regardless of how the cells are wired together in serial and parallel circuits. So I don't believe the pack voltage has much if anything to do with how the BMS manages pack temperature during DC fast charging. Tesla clearly decided that a higher temperature while fast charging is better for battery longevity. The car heats the pack before and during the early part of the charging session, and switches to cooling later in the session. Unless it's extremely hot outside, it typically only starts aggressive cooling once you've finished charging. I think the main challenge with battery thermal management isn't total cooling or heating capacity, but rather maintaining an even temperature across all cells. I agree with you about the air curtain. They clearly put a lot of work into aerodynamics, and it paid off.
eGMP cars are all at the very top of DC fast charging speed, faster than Teslas, and they achieve their stated range, unlike Teslas. Quieter, much better fit and finish, and normal characteristics compared to Teslas..
@@JohnCap523 I would love to see Hyundai/Kia/Genesis up the ante even further by bumping up the charge rate to 270-300kW. The cells don’t get really hot when charging at 235-240kW so I know there’s definitely a bit of headroom left. One other aspect they need to improve on is the high speed efficiency and also cold weather efficiency. I have noticed a substantial decrease in efficiency even when not using heat with temperatures in the 40s-50s (Fahrenheit) vs. earlier in the year when temps were in the 60s-90s. I do agree with you, Hyundai/Kia and most other automakers produce consistently better products than Tesla. The fit and finish is better, NVH is lower, and they all offer more features that Tesla refuses to consider like cross traffic detection, radar based blind spot monitoring, 360° cameras, etc.
@@CFG39 Well, i’ve reliably gotten 239-243kW at EA 350s up until this past week when chargers seemed to be derated. I’m not sure going over 250kW is feasible or even matters when you can go from 10-80% in 18 minutes, which I have, a lot. Knocking that down to 14-15 mins is pointless to me when virtually other EV not named Taycan is 30mins or way more. Yea, all the myths about Teslas, and bad mouthing if the eGMP cars by people who know nothing about them, like Toyota fanboi mechanic, are funny if not sad. Any of EV6, EV9, Ioniq 5 & 6 are superior to ALL other EVs under $90,000. Period, end of story. And a way better value. I’d never try to get my wife to adapt to how Tesla makes you drive. Never. Aside from the phantom braking and snapping control arms and stupidly unsafe need to look away from the road to see any data. Physics is at play with high speed and cold weather efficiency.
This is coming from the guy who made an entire video about a Lexus needing to take apart the whole entire dash, just to repair a damper, and told the customer to replace the evaporator with it, complaining that this car, has "messy hoses" which are all EASILY ACCESSIBLE UNDER THE HOOD, vs the Tesla setup where if anything goes wrong on the super manifold, means taking apart the heat exchanger and everything else, just to get to one valve.
There's a huge difference between understanding mechanics and understanding design. If you're going to accuse Hyundai of copying Porsche design , you should have first attempted to understand just who is the Chief Creative Designer for Hyundai and where he came from. He didn't copy anything. He brought it with him.
Wow. That's a harsh comment "huge difference between understanding mechanics vs understanding design". I'm guessing you personally know the "Creative" designers of the Ioniq 6, and you are offended on their behalf? Personally i think this "mechanic" is very complementary of the design. What designer isn't inspired by the original Porsche 911? (subjective topic I guess) I don't want to get into English language semantics too much... but it is obvious that this "mechanic" speaks "English" as a second language. (perhaps he meant inspired instead of copied?) This is a really great, positive review with constructive criticism of what looks like a great car. But the car could be better! Personally. I think the Ioniq 6 looks ok compared to the Prophecy EV concept car it was based on. but that concept is a thing of bueaty! Why make the consumer good look ugly? (regulations I guess) .... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Prophecy
You need to look at the research for fast charging. There is a Canadian EV channel where an electrical engineer has all the testing and charts that shows that fast charging does not affect battery life. You should go look at the data. As Deming said, “Without data you’re just a person with an opinion.”
Excellent review but not looking at all angles… at least for me. Being from the north with extreme cold, road salt and snow for months there are a few other things to consider apart from the battery or range. As good as a Tesla is in winter it loses its paint to road salt, it cracks like an old wooden chair and the suspension is rock hard. Traditional auto makers are still better at making cars for extreme weather.
Very thorough review. I agreed with most of what you said. I actually kind of like having the window buttons in the middle, depending on how it's implemented. If it's like those older Saturn Vues or BMWs where they're all spread out then it's dumb, but I like the way my SAAB had them, you could very easily open and close all the windows simultaneously with one hand (actually easier than I can with most door-mounted window switches. It also saves them 1 window switch mechanism by have the driver and front passenger share
@@robbie552 I drove the Tesla and hated it. Rubber door trim fell off on the test drive, leather felt like a crappy office chair, felt like I was driving a toy. Been driving the Ionic since January, its amazing. I have a 7 Series and prefer driving the Ionic.
Huh? No summon feature I’m aware of, like the 3 has. Our Mini’s fob is smaller yet the emergency key fits inside. No reason Hyundai couldn’t have done that.
I have not watched all of the video yet but it does seem that he has missed the "block" (pixel actually) that is on the door handle which can be used to simply lock the vehicle without any use of the key. This is one of the most useful features for me; I can touch the pixel, the door handles retract and I know that the car is now locked.
This design is not Porsche inspired. Hyundai made a car very similar design wise to the Ioniq 6.. that was 20 years ago, and its the second gen Tiburon.
I am a big fan of your channel and I always watch your videos on reviews on mechanical cars. You have a great way of explaining the technical aspects of different models and comparing them with other options. I really appreciate your expertise and insights especially on mechanical issues. I am interested in buying a new car and I would like to know your opinion on the VW Atlas Cross Sport SE/Tech. This is a midsize SUV that has a lot of features and a sleek design. I have seen some reviews online, but none of them are as detailed and informative as yours. Could you please do a review on this ATLAS Cross Sport and share your thoughts under the hood especially, the engine, its performance, reliability, safety, comfort, and value? I would love to hear your honest feedback and recommendations. I think your review would help me and many other potential buyers make a better decision. I look forward to watching your next video on VW Atlas cross sport
@@PC-vq5udI was impressed by his reviews on various other brands such as Hyundai, Honda, Mazda etc. As he is pro and seem to have a lot of insight and experience in the automotive industry. I wonder if he could share his opinions on Volkswagen as well, especially their SUV models. I am interested in buying one for a family, I would like to know more about their features, performance, and reliability.
One thing Hyundai does that all manufacturers should is include BSM alerts in their HUD along with BSM in the mirrors, it’s identical to the alerts in the mirrors just added to the HUD.
Regarding fast charging: recent study of many models of EVs show that fast charging does not hurt the battery more than slow charging. Charging to higher % of capacity did make a big difference whether slow or fast charging.
The on-board charger is NOT used for DC fast charging, The point of the the on-board charger is to convert AC from the wall to DC for the battery. For DC fast-charging, the OFF-board charger performs that charging.
Add up 10 years of oil changes, 2x transmission fluid changes, 1x coolant change of gas car to comparison. EV would use less brakes, almost none if brakes are not used hard as well. I would say difference would be more than $800 in total. Both would need differential fluids.
@@EpicDrew15 they have "lifetime fluids" like gas cars, so sure as per the manual they don't need a flush. Same as my car's transmission and transfer case fluid. I still change all 3.
@@EpicDrew15 Yeah they do, I’m really curious what a long term 10 year, 12k mile a year cost of ownership would be on a Model 3 vs a Civic. You save on maintenance and gas but go through 2x the tires, that adds up. For SUVs like the Rivian I’m hearing some seeing tires go at 6k-10k miles. Thats a $2000/set
@@TobyCostaRica Fleets love Teslas. Somerset Police Department in Wisconsin calculates $80000 savings over 10 years with the Y. Hertz are buying 100 000s of them, say half the cost of their ICE to operate. From "Users' experiences of tyre wear on electric vehicles A survey and interview study" June 2022 Report number: 1126AAffiliation: Swedish National Road and Transport Research Institute: "most professional users (Taxi, Bus, Rental) experience similar tyre wear as for ICEVs." "Tires on a modern electric car will wear down much slower than in a car with a traditional internal combustion engine. This is due to good traction control. The driver assist systems reduce slipping by utilizing the electric motor's rapid power adjustment. This system is much quicker than in ICE vehicles, where it is based on braking and limiting engine RPM," Nokian Tyres
11:52 Fast charging reduced the life of your battery more than slow charging. There are however different chemistry batteries and some allow for faster charging than others. So, the Hyundai/Kia fast charging feature is a benefit over other EVs with slower fast charge speeds imo.
I have watched alot of EV reviews and I love how you explained the thermal management of Ioniq 6. Although I am still unsatisfied on the question of "How efficient is the thermal management of EVs?" As we all know the number one enemy of EV batteries is "HEAT". All videos I have watched regarding battery thermal management, their main highlight is cold temperature effecting range and the like. How about countries with tropical or hot climate areas? We also want to know the other side of the coin. Comparing it to "gaming PC's". We want to know the exact data/numbers of the temperature, to know whether or not the preferred battery temperature is being maintained or not. Since the correlation of heat and battery degradation is stronger in high temperatures. The topic regarding with battery thermal management in tropical/hot climate/summer time is not being tackled much or just being ignored. I hope you make a new video regarding the efficiency of thermal management in hot weather. Thanks!
I really liked the video. I have an Ioniq 5 myself and have a different opinion about the PTC heater: the heatpump is optional so the PTC has to be there. I think this is why it's still there. And sure it's only 99% efficient but when it's really cold heat is there in seconds. I think this is a trade-off I'm willing to take. Also don't expect any e-gmp platform car in the future change massively the heating and cooling system. Also the internal charging unit ICCU is not part of the DC charging process so it doesn't get hot when charging.
Your reasons for choosing the Tesla over this must include the use of the Tesla charging system, and not having to depend on unreliable, spotty charging stations.
@mrcabdilahi yes, that would be a good comparison. So far Tesla hasn't gotten themselves a good reputation regarding build quality and reliability so I'm unsure about the outcome. But in US they seem to have a lot better infrastructure. I would not spend a penny on a Tessla. Ugly, noisy and uncomfortable in my opinion.
In my mind this is the nicest looking car on the road - next to the Porsche Panamera Gran Turismo. would love to see Hyundai make an estate / gran turismo version of this. I have dogs and like having the room of the back 'load area'
Great review AMD. 😂 I think we hold onto to our Hyundai Pony little longer. At times, the choke cable is stiff but with few sprays of WD40 everything loosens up nicely.
See your point but eventually you will be buying a more modern car. Now wether it’s electric or petrol powered because of Co2 legislation they are all a lot more complicated and in 95% of cases beyond the home servicing look at any small petrol engine under the bonnet and look at your pony and you would think someone has pinched of the engine components.
@@stephenclay6852The climate change agenda is a lie. If everyone open their eyes 👀 then they will all drive ICE vehicles. Unfortunately, government agencies have planted seed of fear in the hearts of loss generation.
Thanks for the good job in this review! I didn’t see the car of the year 2022 in your reviews- the KIA EV5. It would be nice to hear your opinion on this one and compare it to the others you did review so far. Many thanks in advance!
I prefer Toyota's approach of waiting for the technology to mature rather than risk putting out throwaway junk. Odd people think of them as "out of ideas" for thinking hybrids a key part of their future. When the reality is they will handily meet fuel/energy efficiency standards.
@@ThisGuyRides I'd call it a "still counts as something" if California or other customers want a Toyota EV, but not something they'd put muscle behind except in a handful of markets. PS I figured Apple also is deliberately waiting on launching a car (assuming they ultimately do), so they can swoop in when the technology is mature enough. If Jobs was still around, he could then claim they invented the SmartEV or some similar grandiose claim as they pretend smartphones didn't exist before them. Versus simply being another case of competition (or competing technologies) improving what existed before.
Well, a very thorough review so that’s appreciated. But from someone that test drove both a model 3 and an IONIQ 6 same day, the Tesla felt so cheap and just shutting the model 3 door made me think it was going to break off. The build quality is distinctly in the IONIQs favor IMO. And, I like actual buttons instead of 100% touch screen. Thanks!
Sorry, but your credibility as a straight up Toyota fanboi makes your reviews meaningless. The eGMP power train is better than Tesla, charges faster, achieves more of stated range than Tesla, is much quieter (you’re smoking something), with far better fit and finish (contrary to your nonsensical assertion the fit and finish isn’t good). It’s actually great. And, no one else has a suite of brake regen options that comes close to these cars.
This guy in Canada ‘apparently’ damaged his battery on his brand new I-6 and Hyundai quoted him $60K dollars Canadian for replacement. He bought it for $65k
go home, take apart all the front suspension and anti-seize everything and then put it back together....it's just a Hyundai front end.....should only take a few hours....but I would be more concerned about all the crap that is going to get inside all the openings that he pointed out, especially the one over the battery
I like the key habibi . Also, those flares create a wind that will curve into the air ducts. Finally, those touch buttons are the worst. Physical buttons are a plus
This is what came to my mind as soon as I understood how complicated these other brands EV cars are. Jeesus, too complicated and surely will fail more often, couldn't they keep things simple just like Tesla, I guess they have better engineers
Have you heard about the build quality of Teslas, or the amount of time they spend in work-shops? Most reviewers (several Tesla owners) judge the Ioniq 6 to feel much more solid and quiet with better build and ride quality.
Well, admittedly stubbornly stuck in the past, will give you that. But, sure sounds like this thing is a plumbing/cooling nightmare. Give it a few years in "rusty land" and then let's look at it again...
I've had a Ionic 6 for 6 months now, it drives fabulous and the range estimate, way better than Model 3. Now I disagree with one aspect, noise cabin. The very reason of why I chose this car over the Model 3, is because the cabin quieter than the Model 3 and even than the Genesis G80 2016 that I have. So I'm really happy with the car and I recommend it to anyone!
I own an Ioniq 6 Limited and a 2023 BMW X3 M40i. I must admit I love both vehicles, however the BMW does sit in our garage more than my Ioniq 6!
I have Genesis G80 2016 and thinking of moving to electric vehicle Ioniq 6, but to avoid the problems with charging the EV on long roads I ususaly take ...
Love everything about this review. But there's one thing I want to note, this car (IONIQ 6) isn't loud, especially compared to a Tesla Model 3. I've driven both extensively. The Model 3 feels clunky from the moment you close that loose sounding door, to the rattles here and there, to the excessive road noise and bumps. The IONIQ 6 is miles better, from that solid thump when you close the door (you can even hear it in this review, 22:36, similar to much more expensive German brands), to the very quiet cabin, very little road noise, and ZERO rattles. You get the right amount of bumps, slightly isolated but enough for you to feel the road. The mechanics aside, this car to a driver feels like a way more refined and matured product than the Model 3. It makes the Model 3 feel like it's been put together by novices. I'm guessing by "loud" you're referring to the artificial sound all EV makes, with the top trim you can adjust the volume. So the car isn't loud at all. The first thing I noticed coming from a Model 3 to the IONIQ 6 is how quiet and solid the car feels on the road.
that door closing sound is indeed very satisfying
Very good summation of my experience testing this car!
Yeah, that part surprised me too. He described the Ioniq 6 as "extremely loud" compared to the Model 3, which is pretty much the opposite of what every other reviewer I've seen has said. Makes me question his other opinions as well.
And remember that he is comparing to the old Model 3. The new revised Highland Model 3, which is not yet available in the USA, is going to knock this so far out of the park it's not even funny.
F I N A L L Y ! Someone (thx eric c) tells THE Truth!!! i've rented 8 3's and 2 s90D's since 2018, drop the tesla name and be nuetral and judge for yourself, ask WHY the 3's keep using our (all other EV's- non T) Level 2 chargers!?? because T system costs too much larer on, largest rechrg in North America but...costs are excessive, they take our spots.
their seats are far less comfortable for further travels vs our 6 from April 7th this year from Oregon to SD, cali. thx mister Chen, great pt.
21:26 That actually isn't a brake vent (brake cooling vents usually guide airflow in from the inboard side of the wheel), but is a drag reduction feature that some manufacturers call an 'air curtain'. This airflow helps contain the turbulence caused by the spinning wheels, which would otherwise spread out and cause more drag. Additionally, it helps make the front of the car less square from an aerodynamic perspective, while still allowing the car to look square from a styling perspective.
Features that reduce drag near the driver/front seats are important because drag results in wind noise. That's why some cars that aren't focused on drag or fuel efficiency still have air curtains.
😮10x 4 yr knowledge
Yeah noticed this
Correct. It’s called an Air Curtain and help direct high pressure air on the nose through the curtains and remove air pressure in the wheel well. Many newer cars, EV and ICE, use air curtains. And the flair arch in the front wheel well is 100% function, it’s not for looks. The Car Care Nut may be knowledgeable about car mechanics but not on aerodynamics. This entire car is designed for maximizing range and reducing aerodynamic drag. It was not designed for its looks. This is why it looks similar to a Porsche because Porsche were also designed with aerodynamic efficiency in mind. This is why they are some of the best cars on the race track, because at high speeds, it’s all about the aero!
I was surprised he make that mistake.
Lets go a step further and be totally honest. Those air curtains - on MOST cars - are little more than a styling gimmick. Firstly, air is going to come around the front fascia and flow across the face of the wheel anyway. In fact a lot of it is going to do just that around the outside of the air curtain tunnel too, whether the little air curtain tunnel is there or not. Secondly, the amount of difference it's going to make at 60 or 70 miles per hour is simply minuscule. Like literally 0.001% of a difference. Over the lifetime of the car, it MIGHT add up to enough energy savings to pay for the extra plastic it took to make the dang thing. And I use the word MIGHT there optimistically.
Also,just so no one is confused, the interior ambient lighting does not flash like in his video. The flashing is caused by an interference between the high frequency duty cycle of the LED lighting and the shutter/frame rate of the video camera. To the naked eye there will be no flashing, just soothing lighting.
Also not on my SE, nbd. Though not having the undocumented front end SOC pixels is petty on Hyundai’s part.
Yes Sir, just the vid cam mhz is not the same and causes this. love, Would of PAID extra for the colors of ambient in the doors and floor panel BUT the Long Range it is NOT available in the SE, remember MY MODEL is the ONLY ONE that gets over (U.S.) 371 miles, Yes not 361 adv, but I actually with L-e then top off post charge with L-2 to 3 8 7 MILES of range! I have fotos if you don't believe...miss the folding mirrors for safety too. But RANGE is MOST import. to us! Goes further folks than ANY Model 3 !
60,000 for new battery. no hyundai EVs are big NO
@@tocreatee5736 Incorrect. It's around $30k in dollars in the US.
@@tocreatee5736lmao you get warranty
I hope every Hyundai salesperson watches this video and learns about this car and can explain the features to a potential customer as well as he did.
Naw, as a 4 time Hyundai lessee, they only care about dealer markups and add-ons like pinstripes and floor mats.
Also, not allt the "facts" here are correct...
@@Steve_in_NJ Its a dealer to dealer basis. The one im working with is extremely helpful. Not to mention the shortage is coming to an end on this side, so they aren't able to mark it up to the moon anymore.
Hyundai salespeople learn about the product and try not to cheat the customer challenge (impossible)
When I picked mine up the Hyundai trainer was there. He had some hand wavy excuse for the wired CarPlay.
The sales guy was astonished that he didn’t have to teach me anything - did my research and we already had a Mini EV.
The free ElectrifyAmerica charging is a scam, though. Still get charged every time.
I have the 2024 Ioniq6 SEL RWD long range. Lots of either incorrect information or personal impressions couched as facts. It's a fabulous car to drive; hugs the roads like a sport car; it's not a Rolls Royce, but it definitely is an impressive looking luxury vehicle; he didn't mention it but the car has a drag coefficient of 0.22 - the most aerodynamic electric vehicle currently manufactured. Very comfortable and quiet (quieter than the Tesla 3). You can adjust the pressure sensitivity of the acceleration pedal to achieve 0 - 60 in 5 seconds with the long range RWD model in "SPORT" mode. I get 315 miles on full charge even though Hyundai advertised as it as getting 305 miles. Test drove both the Ioniq6 and Tesla3 on the same day and came to the conclusion that the Hyundai was leaps and bounds better designed and constructed than the Tesla.
I have the 2023 Ioniq6 Limited RWD and LOVE IT! The best car decision I've made in awhile!
What I like about this channel is this mechanic actually learns, does his homework then makes it simple for us noobs. Many people just comment without even knowing the underneath engineering and basic principals, they just comment from their prejudice which really isn't helpful
he does that too tbh
@@LeavingCaladan
I've learnt so much about these Hybrids, basic architecture and differences between Hyundai's and Tesla's, same with Hybrids of Hyundai versus Toyota... don't think any other channel truly talks about it in this style, but oh well.
@@hariranormal5584 yea but it isn’t all accurate. trust me other mechanics have problems with the info he provides
@@LeavingCaladan Some tangible proof would be good instead of howling.
I bought a 2024 Ioniq 6 Limited in January 2024, and have since driven a few thousand miles glorious with it. It’s an extremely quiet vehicle when it’s buttoned up on freeways, or sitting in my driveway with the radio playing. Today, we were taking my wife’s Prius to the local body shop to get the rear bumper cover replaced. Her car was still in the garage, directly behind me. After waiting for several moments for her to give me a signal to go, she appears beside my driver’s door, looking a bit upset. “Didn’t you hear me honking the horn?” said she. No, I didn’t, said I. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how quiet and soundproof the Ioniq 6 is! Additionally, the Limited trim line is definitely a “luxury” car (Consumer Reports classified it as such). Except for the lack of burled walnut paneling and “rich Corinthian leather,” it’s equipped with everything else, including a 120 volt outlet. I only added a modest subwoofer and a nifty little module that automatically locks the doors 10 seconds after exiting.
That just means I have to now install a train horn on my jeep so that you can hear me honking 😉
@@robbie552Funny!
I have the 2023 Ioniq 5 and my wife just got the 2024 Ioniq 6. We both love these cars! I don't understand why you think they are loud because these are the quietest cars I have ever rode in and my stress level goes down a notch every time I drive. My step son has the Tesla model 3 and it really doesn't seem quieter to me plus my wife was totally turned off by the giant iPad in the middle as the only visual feedback. As far as the shifter, we both acclimated to it in a few days. The main thing to remember is rotate it forward to go forward and rotate it backward to go backward. I do agree that Tesla does a better job of integrating the cooling systems and I do worry about how the plumbing will hold up over time. Thanks for the video, I really enjoy your channel!!
Hi its me your son, I need another tesla 🤓
@@CLARENCErryours broke down already?
This guy is the first reviewer to claim the ioniq 6 is loud or noisy during highway driving. Every reviewer I’ve seen has claimed this car is quiet during highway driving.
The car is very quiet, even on highways.
Probably depends on where you drive and what you're driving on. Some roads are just maintained better overall, and some are just not...
When you drive a Lexus LS430 everything else is noisy
It's much quieter than a Tesla. Anyone can go for a test drive and hear fit themselves.
@garettw1678check once more with a sound meter without your bias installed...
The one criticism I want to push back on is the noise. As a new Ioniq 6 owner, I find it to be very quiet in all road and weather conditions. I have too much respect for our host to claim that he's wrong, but maybe the one he reviewed was subpar in this regard?
Yeah, every single other video I’ve seen as well as multiple commenters, it’s way more quiet than a Tesla
If I ever bought an electric car it would be this one. I love the way these cars look. Cyberpunk vibes
Thank you for pointing out all the good and bad about the Ioniq 6.....picking up mine later this week.
How's is going for you?
Yeah do you like it? I'm trying to pick mine up Sunday
@@cterry511 it is a nicer driving car than Tesla......but still don't have OTA software update and out of town charging still lacking in Canada; anyhow, enjoy!
@@kingsole5841 it does have OTA software updates
The front end actually reminds me of the old Tiburon.
Now we know why. Speaking at the 2022 Los Angeles Auto Show, Lee told our own Chris Tsui that the transparent radio antennae plunked on top of the Ioniq 6 has its roots in a 1990s icon that nearly all of us can instantly picture: Apple’s transparent iMac.
“This is definitely intentional. Everybody is body-colored or black and Ioniq 6 is something very special. We have a very beautiful, streamlined roofline and … also the pixel [lights] is something that we take as our brand character which is nostalgic yet has a digital feeling to it,” Lee said. “The same idea applies to this antenna, it's like the first-generation Apple iMac.”
IONIQ drivers take note :: I did not realize I ALSO SHOULD CARRY THAT KEY along w/my fob!! very good FYI.. critical !! a MUST have @ all times!! thank you ! joe
This is leaps and bounds a better looking car than the bland Teslas, Interior I prefer the dual screen setup in the Ioniq rather than a huge laptop stuck on the dash. I'd buy the Ioniq 6. That said he didnt mention in this video that Hyundais come with the ccs charging system whereas Tesla uses the NACS system. Hyundai is switching next year so they will have the NACS system interface so you can charge with Tesla chargers. Good reason to wait or you will have to use an adapter every time
We’ll see if they can actually work with Tesla chargers. The so-called universal ones to date refuse to charge my 6.
If looks is your main reason for getting an EV than yes, the Ioniq would of been my main choice but I had to look at the whole package and the Ioniq just didn't make sense. When it comes to technology, driving performance, range, and charging network, Hyundai is still far behind Tesla just like this review stated.
@anthonydatri5380 The yoke steering wheel on the S and X is now optional. They changed this a while back.
@anthonydatri5380 Its optional!
It’s ugly to me
“Electric vehicles need more cooling airflow than gasoline cars is a 100% incorrect statement.”I think the author is overstating an EVs need for cooling while forgetting that the fact that the number one thing an ICE engine does is create heat. In fact more than 60% of the energy released in combustion typically, will be heat. Just look at the area required for an ICE engine coolant radiator and the size of ICE air flowing grills.
So glad you got so fruitful relations with Hyundai. Was interested in Ioniq6 and this review helped a lot!
"Sandwich warmer"...I love it.😄
Nice video. The "brake function" and trim around the wheel well is for to clean up aero down the side of the car, not for brake cooling
The biggest dealbreaker for getting a tesla though is giving Elon money.
Well no worries since Elon hasn’t made a penny from Tesla since 2018
One feature, unmentioned, that might sway many potential buyers, is being able to take the car to an actual local dealer for service/warranty vs. waiting for a possibly out-of-state tech to show up.
their will be more ev techs certed in the near future Carl
My friend said his Tesla issue was taken care of within a week…that’s excellent
Its a good thing I live in a state that doesn't get extremely cold. I plan on going fully EV here in a few years and I have my eye on an Ioniq 6.
hey dude, your videos are like none other, they are so entertaining and informative,also your sense of humor is the icing on the cake, keep up the good work
I appreciate that he seems fair; many reviewers evince bias.
The shift-button works just like the button in our Kia e-Niro, up is Drive, down is Reverse. Can't go wrong there. :)
Odd you mention noise, IIHS does also test noise levels and provide a db rating. Ionic 6 66db, Model 3 89db, Mache E 79db just to name a few 😊😉 hmmm
Ioniq *. Not Ionic.
Dump the 20" wheels and buy some 18". I went from 306 mi range to 360-370 range. The SE model comes with 18" and is advertised with a 361 mile range. I bought the SEL and dropped to 18" rims, Big improvement!!
Thanks for your comment. Do you find in highway driving that the 361 mile indicated range is accurate? What is your experience?
@@flyingspirit3549 It's pretty darn close! I have gotten more
but there so ugly 😂
361 is for RWD. 18” AWD SELR is 316.
Better city range than highway
@@anthonyeleven1 Got it! Thanks for sharing this. Any idea what someone should expect in highway range driving at 75mph (the legal speed limit in much of the Mountain West)?
It seems like future automotive mechanics will also need to up their HVAC training game.
Can we get MEB platform and BMW reviewed? No one else makes reviews like you do, i really learn a lot.
Love your reviews, process, and production. Keep it up!
It’s suppose to be based on 1930’s art deco streamline designs, but the back is all Saab 900 and the front is panamera like. Love the review, honestly the in-depth and insightful commentary keeps bringing me back. Wish I lived near by, I’d bring all my Toyota’s to you.
More like the Taycan, same acceleration at double the price.
As an actual owner of this car with about 11k miles, it is actually really good, my only gripes are..
1. The sound system its truly awful I was ripping stuff out the second week of ownership. (You can see it on my TH-cam)
2. Some of the computer logic doesn't make sense. For example the car can be setup to automatically unlock when you approach the car with the key fob on you but you can't set it to automatically lock when you walk away. Another example is that if you DCFC when you finish you have to press the ignition button to "restart" the car that's already on.
3. The overall performance & handling, its adequate but I really want more but hopefully thats fixed with an ioniq 6n in the future.
4. You can't get a limited without a sunroof 😡
The good
I usually get more range than the advertised range
It will actually charge 10-80% in 18 minutes on 350kw charge. I disagree thats it bad on the battery, 800v batteries dont have as much current going into it to Fast charge. There are ioniq 5 oweners who exclusively fast charge and battery degradation doesn't even hit 1%.
Quiet place to be and HDA II works really great and helps you drive big distance without getting tired.
Do these still have issues with 12v battery dying when parked for a while, due to parasitic drain from the car?
This year, I started working with/ for Koreans. One would be surprised how many odd ideas those people have. Their logic is... Different. They can have a brilliant idea today and 5 completely illogical ideas tomorrow.
Now I understand that they could find it very logical to put a turbo in an entry level hybrid, have reversed orientation of a "gear shift" or what you have described.
I will probably avoid Korean products.
I talked to a 5 driver recently who said her battery capacity has really dropped. She drives 160 miles a day (must have a shitty on-prem job) and FCs to 95% regularly.
You’re wrong about fast charging. It is hard on ALL batteries.
@@Digikidthevoiceofreason His point is that there are degrees, that 800v charging isn't as hard as 400v.
thorough review, I have 4000 miles on my red 2023 Ioniq6 limited awd which is the exact vehicle you reviewed.. very good driving so far.. i think it's a great vehicle that looks stunning in red & rolls just fine! 👍👍👍👍👍✅️✌️
ps.. it looks great in the driveway alongside my blue 2019 model s 100d
How many times do you charge per week of using day to day? And how do you find long journeys?
Excellent, honest reviews....couldn't ask for more! Best to have your take as a mechanic too
He is so offensive and cynical, makes me cringe
@@Ezrabastiancouldn’t agree more lol
@@LeavingCaladan Don't hate watch a channel just because you hate someone. This is childish.
@@Ezrabastian That's your intellectual issues.
@@mottom2657 I’m not hate watching, lol. i like the guy, but his reviews are completely based on conjecture. I’m a master mechanic too, and just because someone is a mechanic doesn’t give them knowledge of every make and model, especially new ones. it just means you’re qualified to fix X brand (in AMDs case, toyota). i think he overuses the whole “I’m a mechanic so you can trust me” selling point. his opinions don’t make sense to me all the time.
Great review as always....
couple things. The fast charging rate is due to it being an 800V architecture.. so the Amps required to charge are about the same as any other car... but since the Volts are double.. it charges faster. Amps are where the heat comes from.. so I dont think battery damage is more likely than any other car.
Also.. every EV sold to today has DC charging availiable.
As to the color of the other car.. the blue is very clear on camera.. Maybe in direct sunlight it would be more visible to the human eye.
Love the channel.. keep up the great videos.
Ironically I almost bought Transmission Blue in another state, but at the last second I found a newly-posted Ultimate Red locally - for 4K less and a dealer with their shit together. Live chatted with someone at 1am who set up a meeting in the morning. The sales guy SMS’d me first thing. We went over and drove the car home. First one delivered in PA, I’m still finding film to take off.
I originally wanted an RWD but was told that they don’t send many to the northeast because winter, which I guess makes sense. In NY I met an RWD owner who had to go to Ohio to get his, wouldn’t want to be skinning around in a Buffalo winter. But then he’s a smoker so his judgement is already suspect.
Transmission blue: When you hear that it sounds like your transmission blew up, It's just a side effect of being a professional mechanic my friend.
I am not sure about the comment about a "landfill full of electric cars" ..don't think this currently exists..
@@louispaxton8336 yea I agree
I’m sure that Hyundai’s marketers were thinking “transmission of electricity/energy blue”, not “transmission blew”. 😂😂😂
This is a very good critique of the Ioniq 6. Thanks for such a good review.
This and the Kia EV6 have such unique looks
You addressed subjects missed by other reviewers. Thanks!
FYI at 28:38 the little protector plastic piece is upside down. The purpose of that plastic thing is to cover up and protect the two DC charge pins while charging using a standard L2 J1772 AC charge plug. This keeps the DC pins safe and clean, especially charging on a level 2 outside in the rain and elements. As one can see, this cover is upside down which would prevent a L1 or L2 J1772 to be plugged in.
Yes, and the Ioniq 6 I was given while my Ioniq 5 was in the shop had the protector piece upside down as well, and it was a brand new vehicle. somebody at the factory needs remedial training.
@@tomrossman9371That is true. The protector is upside down for all vehicles. It puzzle me but it is what it is.
Thanks for the thorough review; I especially enjoyed hearing about the powertrain and thermal management system. I’ve heard about Tesla’s “Super Manifold” thermal management system design and it was quite interesting to hear about Hyundai’s attempt.
As to battery life: In our 2022 Ioniq 5 with 30,000 miles, according to our OBD reader, our battery SoH is 99.7%. We do most of our charging at home, but do have a good number of long trips, hence the mileage.
I'm not worried about the battery life.
42,000 miles on my niro, has 97.5 percent of raw life left at 100% charge. Effectively no loss to the user.
Little correction, the oboard charger is not used when DC Fast charging, it is bypassed completely to charge the battery directly with the exception of using lower power 400v DC fast chargers. Then it passes that current through an upconverter in the inverter to step it up to 800v.
I so enjoy all of your videos. Thank you for the time and effort to articulate the features and benefits of all cars and suvs.
In extreme cold you can pre warm the battery while it’s still plugged in before you leave. This takes a huge load off the battery while it’s out and about.
I agreed with him all the way until he said the Ioniq 6 is noisy. That is far from the truth. The Ioniq 5 and 6 are extremely quiet inside. The acoustic is better than Testla and many analysts agree.
The key is designed in its perfection, if the battery runs out 🔋 the key fob, before it happens, the car screen warns you that the battery is low, it is your responsibility and laziness in not changing it
Fantastic review! Never knew how complex the electric cars actually are.
That plastic strip in the wheel arch is an aero component it helps aero speparation over the front wheel.
Thanks, especially focusing on the mechanics. I think it really has to show how the Hyundais will hold up, lease is a good idea. Compared to the Tesla 3 I thought the Ioniq 6 has a lot more space in the rear, in the Tesla I could not sit up straight.
I bought the 6 in part because of the rear headroom. My son is 5’10” at 15.
@@anthonyeleven1hello, I’m actually planning to buy Hyundai Ionia 6 as well. Since u have bought it, could you tell me what’s the warranty status on your car? Also how much would battery replacement cost if your battery died, got run over, etc?
@@blackgold754 I've had the car for 8 months, so no real warranty issues. The applied a recall without charge. No idea how much battery replacement would cost. I suspect it wouldn't be cheap, but I also expect to not need one any time soon if at all.
@@anthonydatri7301 it’s just that I was browsing motormouth channel and they did a reporting with this guy Ky,e who bought a Hyundai Ionia 5 just a year ago and now needs a battery replacement which will cost about $60k which is insane. Now that doesn’t mean I ain’t into electric cars but I just want to be safe ya know. But I do hope that your car continues to last long but does the warranty cover your battery by any chance?
@@anthonydatri7301 Battery replacement? Don't even think about it. Aprox. 75% of the total car price.
You have done a great job of explaining the critical differences between this and a Model 3. Thanks!
I would be interested to see a comparison between the energy consumption on the e-GMP models vs. model 3/Y. I was really surprised how much energy Tesla’s heat pump can consume. The real difference when warming the car from cold isn’t that much less energy consumed vs. the old PTC heater. In normal use in seeing 0.62kW-1.5kW of energy consumption running the heater in my EV6 GT which is actually not as much energy as I expected. My old PTC-equipped Model 3 Performance used as much as 10kW when the heater was first turned on and I saw more around 2-4kW constant draw using the heater in winter.
Regarding the DC charging, one big thing vs. Tesla is how much cooler the cells stay even fast charging. There’s about a 15-20°C lower peak cell temp on my EV6 GT according to OBD data than I see on our Model Y LR AWD. The fans do not have to run at high speed and the coolant pump doesn’t seem to be running as hard and as long as the Tesla does after charging at a supercharger. I’m sure part of the benefit is the 800V architecture, but not sure if the other benefit is from a better cooling design or the pouch cells vs. the cylindrical cells Tesla uses.
Regarding some of the design details… I’m fairly certain everything they did is about aerodynamics. The vent from the front to the wheel well may work like an air curtain to smooth flows over the wheels. Same thing with the little black trim that stops midway around the wheel well opening.
Recent Teslas have not only a heat pump, but also an "octovalve" that allows the HVAC system to operate in a dozen different modes. For example, one of these modes extracts heat from the hot battery pack after DC fast charging for use in the cabin. Real world efficiency will depend on so many factors, as a few of these modes have a Coefficient of Performance of 1, meaning they're no more efficient than a PTC heater, while most have a COP far higher than 1. It would be nice to see a graph of average HVAC energy consumption at 70 MPH vs temperature for various EVs, with data collected for 2 hours starting immediately after a DC fast charging session.
The cell voltage range is the same for any given chemistry, regardless of how the cells are wired together in serial and parallel circuits. So I don't believe the pack voltage has much if anything to do with how the BMS manages pack temperature during DC fast charging. Tesla clearly decided that a higher temperature while fast charging is better for battery longevity. The car heats the pack before and during the early part of the charging session, and switches to cooling later in the session. Unless it's extremely hot outside, it typically only starts aggressive cooling once you've finished charging. I think the main challenge with battery thermal management isn't total cooling or heating capacity, but rather maintaining an even temperature across all cells.
I agree with you about the air curtain. They clearly put a lot of work into aerodynamics, and it paid off.
eGMP cars are all at the very top of DC fast charging speed, faster than Teslas, and they achieve their stated range, unlike Teslas. Quieter, much better fit and finish, and normal characteristics compared to Teslas..
@@JohnCap523 I would love to see Hyundai/Kia/Genesis up the ante even further by bumping up the charge rate to 270-300kW. The cells don’t get really hot when charging at 235-240kW so I know there’s definitely a bit of headroom left. One other aspect they need to improve on is the high speed efficiency and also cold weather efficiency. I have noticed a substantial decrease in efficiency even when not using heat with temperatures in the 40s-50s (Fahrenheit) vs. earlier in the year when temps were in the 60s-90s. I do agree with you, Hyundai/Kia and most other automakers produce consistently better products than Tesla. The fit and finish is better, NVH is lower, and they all offer more features that Tesla refuses to consider like cross traffic detection, radar based blind spot monitoring, 360° cameras, etc.
@@CFG39 Well, i’ve reliably gotten 239-243kW at EA 350s up until this past week when chargers seemed to be derated. I’m not sure going over 250kW is feasible or even matters when you can go from 10-80% in 18 minutes, which I have, a lot. Knocking that down to 14-15 mins is pointless to me when virtually other EV not named Taycan is 30mins or way more.
Yea, all the myths about Teslas, and bad mouthing if the eGMP cars by people who know nothing about them, like Toyota fanboi mechanic, are funny if not sad. Any of EV6, EV9, Ioniq 5 & 6 are superior to ALL other EVs under $90,000. Period, end of story. And a way better value. I’d never try to get my wife to adapt to how Tesla makes you drive. Never. Aside from the phantom braking and snapping control arms and stupidly unsafe need to look away from the road to see any data.
Physics is at play with high speed and cold weather efficiency.
I'm not really a car guy, but your videos are terrific. Very thoughtful and thorough.
Doug DeMuro did the review as a fanatic
But this is the review you actually looking for!
i like automotive press as well. he does great job doing panel gap measurements
@@joec.5009panel gap measurements are tight.
Doug is annoying. He is one big quirk with no useful features. Unsubbed him years ago.
This is coming from the guy who made an entire video about a Lexus needing to take apart the whole entire dash, just to repair a damper, and told the customer to replace the evaporator with it, complaining that this car, has "messy hoses" which are all EASILY ACCESSIBLE UNDER THE HOOD, vs the Tesla setup where if anything goes wrong on the super manifold, means taking apart the heat exchanger and everything else, just to get to one valve.
There's a huge difference between understanding mechanics and understanding design. If you're going to accuse Hyundai of copying Porsche design , you should have first attempted to understand just who is the Chief Creative Designer for Hyundai and where he came from. He didn't copy anything. He brought it with him.
Wow. That's a harsh comment "huge difference between understanding mechanics vs understanding design". I'm guessing you personally know the "Creative" designers of the Ioniq 6, and you are offended on their behalf?
Personally i think this "mechanic" is very complementary of the design. What designer isn't inspired by the original Porsche 911? (subjective topic I guess)
I don't want to get into English language semantics too much... but it is obvious that this "mechanic" speaks "English" as a second language. (perhaps he meant inspired instead of copied?)
This is a really great, positive review with constructive criticism of what looks like a great car. But the car could be better!
Personally. I think the Ioniq 6 looks ok compared to the Prophecy EV concept car it was based on. but that concept is a thing of bueaty! Why make the consumer good look ugly? (regulations I guess) .... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyundai_Prophecy
You need to look at the research for fast charging. There is a Canadian EV channel where an electrical engineer has all the testing and charts that shows that fast charging does not affect battery life. You should go look at the data. As Deming said, “Without data you’re just a person with an opinion.”
Excellent review but not looking at all angles… at least for me.
Being from the north with extreme cold, road salt and snow for months there are a few other things to consider apart from the battery or range.
As good as a Tesla is in winter it loses its paint to road salt, it cracks like an old wooden chair and the suspension is rock hard.
Traditional auto makers are still better at making cars for extreme weather.
Very thorough review. I agreed with most of what you said. I actually kind of like having the window buttons in the middle, depending on how it's implemented. If it's like those older Saturn Vues or BMWs where they're all spread out then it's dumb, but I like the way my SAAB had them, you could very easily open and close all the windows simultaneously with one hand (actually easier than I can with most door-mounted window switches. It also saves them 1 window switch mechanism by have the driver and front passenger share
Im test driving Ionic now and this is the best review I’ve seen. Thank you.
Howd you find it?
Don’t bother with Hyundai, go get a Tesla you’ll be much happier.
@@robbie552 I drove the Tesla and hated it. Rubber door trim fell off on the test drive, leather felt like a crappy office chair, felt like I was driving a toy. Been driving the Ionic since January, its amazing. I have a 7 Series and prefer driving the Ionic.
@@mikedelatorre9777 suit yourself :)
Thank you for the superb review. I like it that you tell it as it is!
I kind of like the physical key. It looks like a fancy keychain. I don’t mind it at all. I’m really happy with my ioniq 6.
Also, nothing mentioned about being able to use the key fob to drive the car in or out of a tight spot. Possibly why it's a bit chunky...
Huh? No summon feature I’m aware of, like the 3 has. Our Mini’s fob is smaller yet the emergency key fits inside. No reason Hyundai couldn’t have done that.
I have not watched all of the video yet but it does seem that he has missed the "block" (pixel actually) that is on the door handle which can be used to simply lock the vehicle without any use of the key. This is one of the most useful features for me; I can touch the pixel, the door handles retract and I know that the car is now locked.
This design is not Porsche inspired. Hyundai made a car very similar design wise to the Ioniq 6.. that was 20 years ago, and its the second gen Tiburon.
I love your videos, my man. You educate us to the core, to know what will work for each of one of us. Thank you, again.
Tesla's octovalve remains unsurpassed.
Tesla has the smartest engineers not like legacy engineers forced to design EVs kicking and screaming. 😂😂😂
'The radar sensor gets front row seat'... LOL nicely put. Great video by the way :-)
"Very interesting" seems to mean "really stupid but I won't say it" lol.
Thank you sensei for teaching me that I would probably oblivious about that through the rest of my life
Mechanics hear noise somewhat differently, awesome review
I am a big fan of your channel and I always watch your videos on reviews on mechanical cars. You have a great way of explaining the technical aspects of different models and comparing them with other options. I really appreciate your expertise and insights especially on mechanical issues.
I am interested in buying a new car and I would like to know your opinion on the VW Atlas Cross Sport SE/Tech. This is a midsize SUV that has a lot of features and a sleek design. I have seen some reviews online, but none of them are as detailed and informative as yours.
Could you please do a review on this ATLAS Cross Sport and share your thoughts under the hood especially, the engine, its performance, reliability, safety, comfort, and value? I would love to hear your honest feedback and recommendations. I think your review would help me and many other potential buyers make a better decision.
I look forward to watching your next video on VW Atlas cross sport
Since this pro specializes on Toyota vehicles, unlikely to review a brand he does not have deep experience with.
@@PC-vq5udI was impressed by his reviews on various other brands such as Hyundai, Honda, Mazda etc. As he is pro and seem to have a lot of insight and experience in the automotive industry. I wonder if he could share his opinions on Volkswagen as well, especially their SUV models. I am interested in buying one for a family, I would like to know more about their features, performance, and reliability.
One thing Hyundai does that all manufacturers should is include BSM alerts in their HUD along with BSM in the mirrors, it’s identical to the alerts in the mirrors just added to the HUD.
Regarding fast charging: recent study of many models of EVs show that fast charging does not hurt the battery more than slow charging. Charging to higher % of capacity did make a big difference whether slow or fast charging.
do you have source for this information please?
The on-board charger is NOT used for DC fast charging, The point of the the on-board charger is to convert AC from the wall to DC for the battery. For DC fast-charging, the OFF-board charger performs that charging.
All Tesla has Auto Pilot, Sentry mode, supercharging network etc.
Would love a video about long term maintenance of ICE vs EV. I’m learning about $800 coolant flushes ?
Add up 10 years of oil changes, 2x transmission fluid changes, 1x coolant change of gas car to comparison. EV would use less brakes, almost none if brakes are not used hard as well. I would say difference would be more than $800 in total. Both would need differential fluids.
@@EpicDrew15 they have "lifetime fluids" like gas cars, so sure as per the manual they don't need a flush. Same as my car's transmission and transfer case fluid. I still change all 3.
@@EpicDrew15 Yeah they do, I’m
really curious what a long term 10 year, 12k mile a year cost of ownership would be on a Model 3 vs a Civic. You save on maintenance and gas but go through 2x the tires, that adds up.
For SUVs like the Rivian I’m hearing some seeing tires go at 6k-10k miles. Thats a $2000/set
@@EpicDrew15 that’s great info. Thanks!
@@TobyCostaRica Fleets love Teslas. Somerset Police Department in Wisconsin calculates $80000 savings over 10 years with the Y. Hertz are buying 100 000s of them, say half the cost of their ICE to operate.
From "Users' experiences of tyre wear on electric vehicles A survey and interview study" June 2022 Report number: 1126AAffiliation: Swedish National Road and Transport Research Institute: "most professional users (Taxi, Bus, Rental) experience similar tyre wear as for ICEVs."
"Tires on a modern electric car will wear down much slower than in a car with a traditional internal combustion engine. This is due to good traction control. The driver assist systems reduce slipping by utilizing the electric motor's rapid power adjustment. This system is much quicker than in ICE vehicles, where it is based on braking and limiting engine RPM," Nokian Tyres
11:52 Fast charging reduced the life of your battery more than slow charging.
There are however different chemistry batteries and some allow for faster charging than others. So, the Hyundai/Kia fast charging feature is a benefit over other EVs with slower fast charge speeds imo.
Model 3 Highland
I have watched alot of EV reviews and I love how you explained the thermal management of Ioniq 6. Although I am still unsatisfied on the question of "How efficient is the thermal management of EVs?" As we all know the number one enemy of EV batteries is "HEAT". All videos I have watched regarding battery thermal management, their main highlight is cold temperature effecting range and the like. How about countries with tropical or hot climate areas? We also want to know the other side of the coin. Comparing it to "gaming PC's". We want to know the exact data/numbers of the temperature, to know whether or not the preferred battery temperature is being maintained or not. Since the correlation of heat and battery degradation is stronger in high temperatures. The topic regarding with battery thermal management in tropical/hot climate/summer time is not being tackled much or just being ignored. I hope you make a new video regarding the efficiency of thermal management in hot weather. Thanks!
I really liked the video. I have an Ioniq 5 myself and have a different opinion about the PTC heater: the heatpump is optional so the PTC has to be there. I think this is why it's still there. And sure it's only 99% efficient but when it's really cold heat is there in seconds. I think this is a trade-off I'm willing to take.
Also don't expect any e-gmp platform car in the future change massively the heating and cooling system.
Also the internal charging unit ICCU is not part of the DC charging process so it doesn't get hot when charging.
I really like the see-through stuff, inspired since the transparent gameboy era hahaha !! Other than that, I love your honest technical review!!
Your reasons for choosing the Tesla over this must include the use of the Tesla charging system, and not having to depend on unreliable, spotty charging stations.
That and perhaps the car being a little too over-complicated. Let's give it a 5 year and see how things start failing and how much will it cost
Starting sometime next year, Hyundai will be adopting Tesla's charging connector for their EV's. One less thing to worry about...
@mrcabdilahi yes, that would be a good comparison. So far Tesla hasn't gotten themselves a good reputation regarding build quality and reliability so I'm unsure about the outcome.
But in US they seem to have a lot better infrastructure.
I would not spend a penny on a Tessla. Ugly, noisy and uncomfortable in my opinion.
@@M_J_nan They're still selling quite well, at least in So Fla. They're all over the place.
In my mind this is the nicest looking car on the road - next to the Porsche Panamera Gran Turismo. would love to see Hyundai make an estate / gran turismo version of this. I have dogs and like having the room of the back 'load area'
Great review AMD.
😂 I think we hold onto to our Hyundai Pony little longer. At times, the choke cable is stiff but with few sprays of WD40 everything loosens up nicely.
See your point but eventually you will be buying a more modern car. Now wether it’s electric or petrol powered because of Co2 legislation they are all a lot more complicated and in 95% of cases beyond the home servicing look at any small petrol engine under the bonnet and look at your pony and you would think someone has pinched of the engine components.
@@stephenclay6852The climate change agenda is a lie. If everyone open their eyes 👀 then they will all drive ICE vehicles. Unfortunately, government agencies have planted seed of fear in the hearts of loss generation.
Thanks for the good job in this review! I didn’t see the car of the year 2022 in your reviews- the KIA EV5. It would be nice to hear your opinion on this one and compare it to the others you did review so far. Many thanks in advance!
I prefer Toyota's approach of waiting for the technology to mature rather than risk putting out throwaway junk. Odd people think of them as "out of ideas" for thinking hybrids a key part of their future. When the reality is they will handily meet fuel/energy efficiency standards.
Exactly, I'd rather have a plug in hybrid. Good for electric only city driving. And good on the highway 🤷🏾♂️
So what do you call BZ4X then, if not throwaway junk?
Keep this thought in mind and think about it again in a few years when Toyota is still trying to catch up...
@@ThisGuyRides I'd call it a "still counts as something" if California or other customers want a Toyota EV, but not something they'd put muscle behind except in a handful of markets. PS I figured Apple also is deliberately waiting on launching a car (assuming they ultimately do), so they can swoop in when the technology is mature enough. If Jobs was still around, he could then claim they invented the SmartEV or some similar grandiose claim as they pretend smartphones didn't exist before them. Versus simply being another case of competition (or competing technologies) improving what existed before.
Hope so because the bz4x and Lexus RZ are junk with little range so far compared to competitors.
Like this format. Keep these reviews coming. Thx
Hey Reviewer, what improvements have been made between the ‘23 IONIQ 6 you reviewed versus the ‘24 and the ‘25 IONIQ 6??
Well, a very thorough review so that’s appreciated. But from someone that test drove both a model 3 and an IONIQ 6 same day, the Tesla felt so cheap and just shutting the model 3 door made me think it was going to break off. The build quality is distinctly in the IONIQs favor IMO. And, I like actual buttons instead of 100% touch screen. Thanks!
This a beautiful car, specially that red. Something small but not too small and great styling (perhaps styled after the 911) this is great!
Sorry, but your credibility as a straight up Toyota fanboi makes your reviews meaningless. The eGMP power train is better than Tesla, charges faster, achieves more of stated range than Tesla, is much quieter (you’re smoking something), with far better fit and finish (contrary to your nonsensical assertion the fit and finish isn’t good). It’s actually great. And, no one else has a suite of brake regen options that comes close to these cars.
Those were the very things I was concerned about. Especially the power train as he said that the Tesla's was leaps and bounds above on that issue.
im loving the back of these cars.
I slowly fill the tank of my Corolla Hybrid every time, 5 min. I care about my hybrid battery. 😂
😂😂😂
This guy in Canada ‘apparently’ damaged his battery on his brand new I-6 and Hyundai quoted him $60K dollars Canadian for replacement. He bought it for $65k
Thanks, AMD! What do you recommend for preventative maintenance on the aluminum knuckles to prevent welding themselves to the wheel bearings?
go home, take apart all the front suspension and anti-seize everything and then put it back together....it's just a Hyundai front end.....should only take a few hours....but I would be more concerned about all the crap that is going to get inside all the openings that he pointed out, especially the one over the battery
I like the key habibi . Also, those flares create a wind that will curve into the air ducts. Finally, those touch buttons are the worst. Physical buttons are a plus
From watching these EV reviews, I am convinced that if you want an EV, you gotta buy a Tesla.
This is what came to my mind as soon as I understood how complicated these other brands EV cars are. Jeesus, too complicated and surely will fail more often, couldn't they keep things simple just like Tesla, I guess they have better engineers
That is what I did. Best charging network
hyundai EVs are BYD with tesla price. 😂
Have you heard about the build quality of Teslas, or the amount of time they spend in work-shops?
Most reviewers (several Tesla owners) judge the Ioniq 6 to feel much more solid and quiet with better build and ride quality.
@@M_J_nan The inner mechanics is what counts, Tesla has the best design in the EV universe.
Thinking about leasing one.
Well, admittedly stubbornly stuck in the past, will give you that. But, sure sounds like this thing is a plumbing/cooling nightmare. Give it a few years in "rusty land" and then let's look at it again...
The design was inspired by studying the Audi CC and the Porsche 911. The front is the Audi, and the rear is the Porsche.