I find it interesting that Ford has so many technological advances yet continues to use the Bosch CP4. Your mention of the idea of a generator on a PTO is intriguing.
Yeah it’s baffling….. GM ditched the CP4 a half-decade ago. Also kinda surprised Bosch hasn’t bothered to improve the design or produce an American-market version that’s more durable.
As far as battery technology goes, sodium batteries are really about to overtake lithium ion batteries. For the simple reason, they retain 90% of their range in -20F weather & are much cheaper than lithium batteries. Could easily become the norm for on-board power generation. Also, I saw CATL release a new technology called condensed battery manufacturing. It doubles the energy density of the batteries, candidly I haven't read too much into it though so maybe someone else can speak more on it? My main point is, with less weight you can easily add then a bigger generator & allow more advancements in the hybrid powertrain itself. They're already looking to use this tech in airplanes next year btw
Ford could have done something cool with a powerboost superduty. Take the 5.0 coyote and at a turbo since we know those engines can hadle boost and than just do a bigger electric motor between the ice and trans than what they used in the f150 powerboost. Theyd need to do a bigger battery as well but there is plenty of room for that in a heavy duty truck especially when you dont have to set aside space for a def system.
I like your insight here - I think we're all wondering if or when this will happen. I would just differ on the powertrain they may use for this experiment. I happen to think it might be more likely to happen in the 7.3. I see this engine so bare that it almost begs for this type of hybrid intervention to really exemplify its power numbers. Moreover, the powerboost in the heavy duty powertrain would equate more similarly with the gas option they already have. They're tuning these 7.3s to produce 1000 lb feet of torque so imagine what a little bit of stock tuning and an electric battery would do to the diesel industry which I feel and by your own comments, is on a short timeline to extinction. Additionally, the huge payload achieved by the gas engine could easily accomodate a hybrid option which would improve their MPG and power-band more on par with the powerstroke. I'm guessing Ford is really testing the 7.3 to see endurance wise, if it will last like a diesel, before they apply the powerboost option. If the combination produces similar torque numbers, I think its goodbye diesel. I also think diesel is on the way out and why they're not adding the hybrid option on this powertrain.
2027 will be the year for super duty hybrid diesel. The EPA standards for 27 cannot be met without hybrid diesel. The 27 standards are incredibly strict compared with 2023. 80% reduction in particulates, reduction in nox, and 30 seconds to meet emissions upon startup. All while not allowing additional co2 emissions over 2023. So, pre-dpf, variable cylinder management, heated def injector, and stop/start engine. This applies to ALL diesels, not just pickups. The prices will be $10,000 higher just for emissions on pickups. Semis could be $25,000 more. Check into 2027 tier 4 final. It’s mind bending lol
@@ArmyProperty I’m hoping lawsuits may hold this back several years, but the current “administration” doesn’t really care about doing anything with common sense or any cost effectiveness. Perhaps a regime change may slow this down as well? Not sure if there’s even time for that no matter who is in power, since this is literally coming at us only 3 years away. Eaton has Diesel VCM patented now in partnership with Cummins…and it looks terrible once combined with all 3 DPFs and Mega SCR lol
Can you share any updates on this from last year? Oshkosh Defense an electric-hybrid version of its vehicle that's replaced many military Humvees. Named the eJLTV, which stands for electric Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, adds a silent-drive mode, extended fuel economy, and increased exportable power capability. The electric hybrid, still a prototype, can run in silent mode on battery power for up to 30 minutes. It gets more than 20% better fuel mileage than the conventional JLTV. The diesel engine charges the lithium-ion battery while in use, with a full charge delivered within 30 minutes. That eliminates the need for charging stations which would be hard to find in many remote locations.
I find it interesting that Ford has so many technological advances yet continues to use the Bosch CP4.
Your mention of the idea of a generator on a PTO is intriguing.
Yeah it’s baffling….. GM ditched the CP4 a half-decade ago. Also kinda surprised Bosch hasn’t bothered to improve the design or produce an American-market version that’s more durable.
YESS
give me naturally aspirated 5.0 thats overbuilt and a massive hybrid system with excellent regen braking on an F250. I’ll buy
As far as battery technology goes, sodium batteries are really about to overtake lithium ion batteries. For the simple reason, they retain 90% of their range in -20F weather & are much cheaper than lithium batteries. Could easily become the norm for on-board power generation.
Also, I saw CATL release a new technology called condensed battery manufacturing. It doubles the energy density of the batteries, candidly I haven't read too much into it though so maybe someone else can speak more on it? My main point is, with less weight you can easily add then a bigger generator & allow more advancements in the hybrid powertrain itself. They're already looking to use this tech in airplanes next year btw
Ford could have done something cool with a powerboost superduty. Take the 5.0 coyote and at a turbo since we know those engines can hadle boost and than just do a bigger electric motor between the ice and trans than what they used in the f150 powerboost. Theyd need to do a bigger battery as well but there is plenty of room for that in a heavy duty truck especially when you dont have to set aside space for a def system.
I like your insight here - I think we're all wondering if or when this will happen. I would just differ on the powertrain they may use for this experiment. I happen to think it might be more likely to happen in the 7.3. I see this engine so bare that it almost begs for this type of hybrid intervention to really exemplify its power numbers. Moreover, the powerboost in the heavy duty powertrain would equate more similarly with the gas option they already have. They're tuning these 7.3s to produce 1000 lb feet of torque so imagine what a little bit of stock tuning and an electric battery would do to the diesel industry which I feel and by your own comments, is on a short timeline to extinction. Additionally, the huge payload achieved by the gas engine could easily accomodate a hybrid option which would improve their MPG and power-band more on par with the powerstroke. I'm guessing Ford is really testing the 7.3 to see endurance wise, if it will last like a diesel, before they apply the powerboost option. If the combination produces similar torque numbers, I think its goodbye diesel. I also think diesel is on the way out and why they're not adding the hybrid option on this powertrain.
Not sure where you live but here in flyover country, it is completely different from what you described for the 18 wheelers.
2027 will be the year for super duty hybrid diesel. The EPA standards for 27 cannot be met without hybrid diesel. The 27 standards are incredibly strict compared with 2023. 80% reduction in particulates, reduction in nox, and 30 seconds to meet emissions upon startup. All while not allowing additional co2 emissions over 2023. So, pre-dpf, variable cylinder management, heated def injector, and stop/start engine. This applies to ALL diesels, not just pickups. The prices will be $10,000 higher just for emissions on pickups. Semis could be $25,000 more. Check into 2027 tier 4 final. It’s mind bending lol
That’s completely insane
As far as NOx goes, the EPA standard for 2027 is 94% lower than it is for 2023
75% lower for 2024, then 75% lower from that point in 2027
@@ArmyProperty I’m hoping lawsuits may hold this back several years, but the current “administration” doesn’t really care about doing anything with common sense or any cost effectiveness. Perhaps a regime change may slow this down as well? Not sure if there’s even time for that no matter who is in power, since this is literally coming at us only 3 years away. Eaton has Diesel VCM patented now in partnership with Cummins…and it looks terrible once combined with all 3 DPFs and Mega SCR lol
@@natehawkins2910 did you say…… THREE DPF’S??????
@@TheMacronical which is another way of saying.... they want to kill diesels without coming out and saying it
Can you share any updates on this from last year? Oshkosh Defense an electric-hybrid version of its vehicle that's replaced many military Humvees. Named the eJLTV, which stands for electric Joint Light Tactical Vehicle, adds a silent-drive mode, extended fuel economy, and increased exportable power capability. The electric hybrid, still a prototype, can run in silent mode on battery power for up to 30 minutes. It gets more than 20% better fuel mileage than the conventional JLTV. The diesel engine charges the lithium-ion battery while in use, with a full charge delivered within 30 minutes. That eliminates the need for charging stations which would be hard to find in many remote locations.