BYD Seal 2024 First Impressions | S02E19
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- The BYD Seal is the most expensive car from the Chinese car manufacturer and it is now on sale in India, in three variants. On MotorInc First, Kartikeya discusses this impressively priced, well-made but not fully mature premium electric car, and BYD's plans for India.
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MotorInc First is a discussion between experts Kartikeya Singhee and Shumi (Shubhabrata Marmar), co-founders of MotorInc on new vehicles. Each episode will discuss one vehicle in great detail, covering the experience of driving or riding it, as well as what it means for the industry.
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CHAPTERS
00:00:00 What is BYD?
00:03:08 BYD's EVs are Good
00:06:26 What Is the Seal?
00:10:53 Design
00:13:46 Cabin & Features
00:19:23 Glass Roof
00:21:24 Safety
00:22:58 Back Seat Experience
00:23:31 Boot Space
00:24:13 Ground Clearance
00:24:24 Sedan in SUV Land
00:25:30 BYD Seal Variants
00:29:17 Bumps & Broken Roads
00:31:57 Maturity of Engineering
00:36:51 Performance Version
00:39:04 Not Great Yet
00:41:17 Being Chinese
00:48:49 Range
00:49:53 Brakes Are Odd
00:51:40 Charging
00:52:10 Top Speed
00:52:50 Quick Summary
01:01:44 Closing Comments
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Hello! Wanted to add some points that we didn’t squeeze into the discussion:
- it doesn’t have a single pedal drive mode!
- it has two levels of regen but we haven’t tried that out yet
- not having wireless CarPlay is annoying. But the location for the USB ports is even more annoying. It’s Ina tray under the wireless chargers. Had to step out, crouch down to plug in the cable. But, as an owner you’ll do it just once. (Buy a cable for the car)
Link to image - drive.google.com/file/d/1-9LB3zds_BRJrcgWNJGlZLlUMSPvGcHg/view?usp=drivesdk
- The infotainment screen in portrait mode pops into your field of vision. So, best used in horizontal/landscape mode while driving.
- Yes, it has ADAS tech. No, I did not test it. We had only 3-4 hours with the car.
- Sound system is impressive! 12 speakers or thereabouts!
- The quietness of the Premium variant was impressive. Not easy to pull off.
Have a great weekend!
I remember Shumi once mentioned that he was afraid that one day MotorInc would become so big that they would no longer be able to reply to every comment and have conversations with viewers in the comment section. By putting your content behind a paywall, you have kinda made sure that will never happen.
I love this channel so much but I can't help but feel alienated. I am glad that MotorInc First is still free to watch. I have a lot of respect for your approach to automotive journalism. But as someone who alread pays 150-something rupees every month for TH-cam premium, despite how much I love this channel, I can not justify paying another ₹400 for this membership. So all the very best to you and your team. This is still one of the best channels out there. I will continue to watch what I can :)
Hey Rahul! Firstly, thank you for being with us and having these frank conversations. Second - as you will see - the content flow will remain unchanged. We look forward to hearing from you in a few weeks time!
Shumi: bombastic side eye x 100
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Basically, a BYD showroom would eventually be called a Zoo.
Aquarium? And hola VR!
@@motorinc Hola! Wouldn't want to restrict them to sea animals! 😂
Water World
This seems really marvelous!
A truly global spec product at a reasonable price.
Indeed! Let's see how this car does on the market now
Kudos to BYD! They’ve done an incredible job with the seal. I really do believe that this car is going to reform what we perceive as value at that price point- for that kind of car.
I also believe it’ll be instrumental at converting die hard ICE fans into EV owners. 500 plus horsepower at 50L is just too good to be true.
Hello again A! It is incredible what they are managing.
PLS do not make first impression videos exclusive for members, You have done that to other videos
Feedback noted, Vinay!
Agree with him! I can't afford to pay subscription again. Your knowledge should be free for us. Pleaase
Yeah, I too can’t see Mavrick 440 and Speed 400 videos. 😢
Please don’t make us beg @motorinc
Do it I'll unsubscribe
Nobody will pay to watch these uncles
Shumi needs to let Kartikeya finish his sentences!!! The chemistry is so great it always puts a smile on your face listening to these 2 engage in banter. I sometimes feel like I want to be a fly on the wall at the Motorinc office and just watch these 2 go about. Though must warn Shumi, in the polarised atmosphere these days, sarcasm especially related to politics could land you in a big soup! Keep up the good work guys. Fingers crossed for This Connect season 2
Glad you loved the watch! TC S02 drops soon, Suraj! As to the feedback, Shumi does
Hey Suraj! Feedback noted!
was more a tongue in cheek comment. The comfort level between the 2 of you is folklore worthy!
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@@surajshanbhagLook what you did now! 😂
Thankfully, MotorInc First isn't under members only 😌
Thank you for the feedback JJ!
The fact the BYD Seal is being discussed in the league of BMWs, Audis etc is a big win for them.
Absolutely!
This duo ❤ so pleasing to the ear ! The conversation just flows and you never know when an hour passed away! Kudos brothers❤
Hey Rohit! Thanks so much!
Great video as always! The banter between these two is amazing 🤣
i would like to request you to grant access of old Motorinc firsts and views to non-members as I’m sure many of your viewers would enjoy watching them again!
Hey AL, thank you for sharing the encouragement and suggestions. 🙏🏾
Wow! You really work on feedback seriously, love for motorinc grows ❤
I love combo of you both. You guys explain things well and in relaxed podcast kinda style. So I can sit back relax and hear everything in detail. Thanks guys. Also good thing you started Motorinc.
Thanks so much for the kind words @Smart.Potato!
I recently realised that MG as a British brand has a very strong emotional connect among many Americans and Europeans. But we Indians just love dissing the brand for being "Chinese".
Now imagine people dissing brands like Jaguar, Land Rover, Royal Enfield for being "Indian"!
Keep in mind, Indian brands were dissed in the west just the same way. Let’s not be blindsided by bias. Anybody in the world doing a good job has to be recognised for it. Agree?
Brand from a nation competing with us is ok
Brand from a geopolitical enemy that shares border with, I don't think that's intelligent
But mg is literally geely vehicles with their own styling while re and land rover actually do their r&d in other countries
@@motorinc My point is not about BYD, which is an actual Chinese brand. It's akin to Tata, Mahindra selling their products overseas.
My point was more on how American and European brands are being devalued due to their change in ownership.
Ultimately my point was that we need to rise above petty politics and start appreciating products for their actual worth.
So yes, I agree with you. 🙂❤️
Fun Fact: The Olectra city buses are also running on BYD tech.
Thanks for letting us know!
BYD's history of exporting bus is much longer than that of exporting cars.
Finally a chinese brand from you guys and I know you will get a lot of comments from people showing hate towards this Chinese Brand, but if we look at the bigger picture, this will benefit the consumer as the value, the premium ness and the technology they provide is commendable also it will push the local manufacturers like the Tata and Mahindra to pull up their socks..
PS- BYD' Atto3 and Dolphin sells in crazy numbers here in Nepal and also due to lower Tax for Evs here alot of chinese manufacturers are launching their vehicles in Nepal.. Also K, please do check the Deepal S07 😉😉
Thanks Simran! Will pass it to K!
BYD also told in their next generation battery cells they will increase their energy density from 150wh/kg to 190wh/kg. With that we can extract more range out.
The only way is up! 👍🏽
What happens to the glass roof in the likelihood the car was to topple ? Any shatter protection or ways to avoid that glass reaching the passengers and causing them harm?
Atto 3 review is required
it would be great to hear about it
also EV6 is wholesome superb car....
Thank you Pandeyji! Noted!
Hell yea, for the, Thisconnect S02, Whoo!
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Not sure if someone else commented - but the Eau Rouge is from Spa Francorchamps, Carousel is from the Nurburgring Nordschleife, and the Corkscrew is from Laguna Seca
They did already! And thanks once again!
When the member's exclusive content came to MotorInc, I was concerned in the beginning. At the same time I can understand why MotorInc needs regular members support to keep their independence in doing honest reviews and giving good content.
Hey TB, our only request is to see how things go. Makes sense?
@@motorinc Yes it does. The only change I would suggest is informing why you need this. Most of us are with your movement because we agree with you. I will join the membership in salary week and cut off some unnecessary spending each month. I have been itching to uninstall food delivery apps. This is the perfect reason.
This is off to a hilarious start 😂... Sundays are awesome again... With the heatwave can't go out or anything and I know a new episode from you guys will drop... Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks S! Have an awesome one!
Also yall forgot to mention that it has a heads-up display so does it have the quirks as well?
Shumi's reaction when Katikeya says .. the car is meant to be an extension of your home .. Hahaha that reaction is just gold 👌👌👌🤣🤣⭐⭐
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Loving Shumi's bnater here ..love both of you ❤..whenever you guys post i make sure to take my time out to watch .Keep up the good work lads
Awesome! Great to hear that TN!
And one last thing does it the app suite that Tesla or even Tata has in its Arcade.ev?
Great impressions. Just to confirm, there’s no trailing throttle in the AWD model? What do you mean by the acceleration has a build-up to it, is it like a short delay?
Hello KS! Nope. There wasn’t. But it had a slight (very, very) lag when accelerating.
Team Motorinc, it's an earnest request, please please please keep the motorinc first impression videos available for all, please don't make them members only.. 😢 it was 30th April 2023, when I subscribed to this channel and ever since it's been always on the top of my watchlist. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Hello TPR, thank you for all your time and your feedback! Wait it out a few weeks,and let us know what you think then!
@@motorinc Please yaar, remove that membership only thing from the previous First Impressions videos like that of the Triumph 400's, Duke 390, etc. I love the podcast and I love the channel but this monthly payment stuff is painful.
1hr of motorinc first is one happy hour for a car guy!. Good stuff guys :D
Thanks so much man!
One question who does Shumi's wardrobe?
Thanks Sushant! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
Zara
I'm dying to know where did he got that olive green hand band & rings.
@@yashnee Look up paracord bracelet
You both are the MotorMonks , absolutely love this new format, the stingy but on-point sarcasm of schumi, the in depth analysis of singhee.. ❤
Glad you enjoy it. Thanks so much M!
Hey motorinc a quick question here. i know not many bikes will have same vibe/excitement as Ultraviolett f77 but will you make videos like that in future like the way you made video about f77 if a car/bike has same kind of vibe???
Fosho!
Again, love you two ❤️ notifications from Motor Inc definitely lightens up my day, in the middle of the video absolutely loving it!
Also, eagerly waiting for the Mahindra's XUV 3XO's first to drop! Excited to see how Mahindra shapes the experience with the facelift, the only thing lacking from the 1st gen!
Thanks AT! That means so much to us. Anything in specific you want us to check out or know about? Let us know!
Umm so I am about 6'2" and have a broad physique, so naturally I have limited options for a car where I can fit in.
I am looking for something that is a good driver's car, and on a budget (15L at max), 3XO seems like a good bet. I have driven XUV 300, was quite impressed with the drive however the cabin experience was average at best.
Any thoughts on that would be highly appreciated and extremely helpful.
should i wait for the gt650 update or just get one right now, love your content, now its only auto channel in my subscription list of YT
Hey Roshan! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience! RE doesn't have a reputation for rolling out updates...
Yes. Atto 3 and E6 also if possible.
I really enjoy listening to MotorInc this episode was no exception just want add a Feedback please add some background sound “it can be white noise or fan” because when there is pause between conversation it seems like i lost connection or video has just paused sometimes when it is a long pause i often stop whatever i am doing and open my fon to check if video is still playing.
Seal of Ioniq 5??? This is one tough choice.
Whenever a new new vehicle is launched, I wait for this review. Like always good presentation from both of them!!!!
Glad you like it! Thanks Naveen!
Beautiful video as always ❤
The side panel text was running too fast tho
Thanks Daksh for the feedback. Appreciate all of it.
This car is the definition of value for money but I don’t think it will disrupt the ev market because it’s out of most people’s budget. Basically it’s a revolutionary car which won’t revolutionize the Indian ev market. Good to see a return to the roots with this overview. Last few videos haven’t been my cup of tea but this is great
PLZ Please give reply..I am confused between N250 and CB300F. Please advise which one should I buy?
Hey Akash! Did you get test rides on both?
@@motorinc I haven't ride N250 but I took ride of Honda CB300F it's a very good bike just suspension is stiff. I got to know that N250 has wobbling and stability issues at higher speed. So that's why I need an expert opinion.
We didn't have wobbling/instability on the N250, Akash
I don't watch much automobile in these days,but in the morning I just watched the Activa video & avoided this video and went to class.When I was returning home & was riding my🚵♀️,a silent yet sporty car passed across me and waited in traffic,I was also waiting and read the brand called B Y D🤯,what a coincidence I mean the colour looks smooth fastback or coupe design looks perfect and you can feel a premium look, although it charges that much and now I'm here watched the FIRST IMPRESSION...❤Hope this BYD will make good products in future👏👏
Wow, this is what a review is. Why are u guys not up in the million subscribers club. Top work by Kartikeya and shuba sir.
Thanks Hussein!
how much does the car weigh? does the weight of the car stop someone to travel on soft road? let say muddy road?
Hi! Shumi.. please recommend Top 3 commuter 100-125CC for city and highway use. I might have to do a 100km daily so fuel economy (Real world not ARAI) is also important. I do plan to use my Interceptor for fun few times in a month.😅
I suggest to keep that money in the bank and use it for fueling the interceptor.
@@Capflying 😂
Thank you so freaking much for this one.
You're very welcome Pranjal! Thank you for being with us!
Man, Shumi. Your smirks always send me off the edge.
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@motorinc Waiting for your video !! Amazing Content. Really the best automotive podcast by far.
One question : is EV car & Bike are the way forward in recent future? And What would be most reliable EV bike available in India?
Thank you.
Reliable and EV? There are scooters. Ather, TVS, Chetak.
MotorInc, can you please mention about turning radius during car reviews to get an idea how easy it is to park and take u-turns on narrow roads?
Thanks for the suggestion Arjun! What we have been doing is calling out the vehicles that haven’t been great on that front. The number to us by itself will not make sense to most. We’ll try to figure out a way to do that.
I guess there is some issue with mic or audio settings... At around 25 min mark (i noticed it before too) it suddenly gets too bassy and then flat or natural again... Its like the mic is brought wayyy closer to the speaker for a few seconds and then pulled back. Let me know if anyone else also felt that.
Thanks for the feedback H. Checking it out.
TC S02!!
Exciting!
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please a request. motor inc keeps mentioning rtr 200 4v make a video on it.
especially on engine smoothness,service and why one should buy or not to buy.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
We would like to do so as soon as possible. Test bike wait ongoing. 😃
Nice summary ❤
Glad you liked it Swapnil!
It would take a Costner(d) to make sense of the value proposition brought on by BYD's Waterworld, at least for the initial years. But it's a great and confident product, one that steals some of that desirability glitz off that EV6.
Lovely First Impressions, as always. Karthik's spontaneity, vim and eagerness to get up, close and confidential with a car, played off against Shumi's sard(i)oniq wit-this truly is top tier TH-cam. Keep this coming, guys.
😁 Thanks for the review.
Love that someone's talking about the lobbying issue we have.
Hey NN! Thanks for bringing that up too!
The blue tinge on the glass roof is something I remember early day tesla model 3s also had. However the one I had (2022 model 3) did not have.
Thanks for letting us know AS
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Hey guys, whenever you review or cover the upcoming Pulsar-400 (N,NS,RS,F,AS whatever that may be) please do let us know if the Engine is from Dominar or the New KTM 390 or a completely new engine.
Will discuss when we get our hands on them!
I'm wondering how many parallels you will be able draw from BYD and Xiaomi.
Plenty huh? Read to buy a Xiaomi car?
8:45 Eau rouge - Spa
Carousel - nurburgring
Corkscrew - Laguna seca
Oh yeah! Spot on!
First impression of the design of the car, it looks better than expected (yes I know it looks like the Porsche Taycan). The specs looks good for an EV compared to the more expensive options like the BMW & Mercedes. If they can concentrate a bit more on the interior cabin design, fit & finish, this will "Seal" the deal for many of us!🤪
I think the ideal scenario for BYD would be, have a manufacturing unit here in our country, give employment to our people, pay the tax to our country & take a part of their profits to their home country China, that would be good for both countries as that helps to build trust b/w the two nations. Other than that, I'm certainly running out of words to describe the kind of videos you put out, the effort you put behind every video, the quality of the content & the way it's presented. Like it said before, this channel is stronger than drugs in terms of addiction. 💛❤
Hullo Arun! How’s you? Thanks a ton for laying the blueprint down. One thing we’d add - data security. Have to figure a way out.
Ciao!
"For every Hector there's an Achilles". Funny af 😂. I'm waiting for a Beatles reference from Shumi.
Well tell him so! 😁
As limited as my knowledge is, two Chinese manufacturers are standing out in recent years, one being BYD and the other being CF Moto in the global market. Great for end consumers! Hope the market continues being more diverse.
Good picks!
Shumi - is the English correct in SEAL, i Laughed hard, Absolute Love this, can listen to both for Hours ❤
Hahaha
I hope TH-cam gives Chinese subtitles as many from China will be keenly watching this video.
Interesting video as always. Is the roof falling coconut proof?
Hullo Neeraj! Thanks! Coconut test? Hmm…
Well, TH-cam is not available in China.
BYD could possibly access it through special means but they would rather have BYD India have this review be re reviewed.
@@motorinc In Bengaluru or around South India when we park cars some times in street, we have coconuts falling from the coconut trees. Dried coconuts from towering trees have ocassionally being crashing on vehicles out of the blue. Some ill-fated individuals have had their cars and bikes damaged by coconuts. 🥥 One will go nuts, oh sorry coconuts if that happens and damages the huge sun roof. 😆
Great episode ❤ and welcome to leopard 🐆 trail, we often take motorcycles to that place.
Hey ADS! That is a cool stretch and such a relief. Mostly straight roads otherwise.
52:31 Yes Kartikeya, I do
Maybe it's the fact that my Ather does bluetooth really good and the fact that I always have one side of my neckband always in my ear while riding coz driving 15+kms every day is pretty boring in the dense city traffic without some music & if my mom or dad or someone else calls my while riding, I can see who it is and pick the phone up and talk for a brief moment till I tell them that I'm riding & I'll talk later but yeah if you deprive me of the bluetooth I won't complain but I love to have that with me
Alright SC. Good to have your take.
I am just waiting for Tesla Model 3 first impressions, it will be so funny to watch the reactions. 😂
Do you know when it’s coming to India? 😁
@@motorinc shipment from China will arrive in 45 days via ship . After elections, they’ll start the location scouting, though it may be Gujarat due to Port. So, my assumption is by December or first quarter of Next year. Or by Elon standard “two weeks “ 😂
Idk something feels different about this channel since you introduced that members only content. I guess it really caught me off guard.
Let us know in a few weeks? Would be plenty of time for you to see (if) anything has changed. Thanks again!
Hope we get a desi may-clarkson topgear version hosted by you too 😊
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love the honest review
Thanks A!
Did you miss the 3.8s moniker on the rear? It's flexing the 0-100 km in 3.8s!
Can't wait for the Thisconnect session 2. Way too excited.
Us too!!
Just a suggestion, instead of putting the pictures later in post, why not add a screen where you can discuss the pictures in hand while discussing and maybe for reference add it in post if required. What this will help is understanding the design more thoroughly and discussion quality will be much better when you see it in real.
if anyone else feels this you can vote up this comment.
Thanks for the suggestion RD!
I like how Shumi's default vehicle is bike. That little snigger when he said bike instead of car was funny. 😂
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Please review Atto 3 the new 2024 has some slight change in terms of infotainment and finishing. looking forward to see the Atto 3 review.
Hey J! Good to see you! Thanks so much!
Atto3 please!
Awesome podcast! Never thought I’d watch a podcast for an hour straight! :)
Hey Nikhil! Thanks so much. Happy to hear that.
Eau Rouge - Spa
Carousel - Nurbugring
Corkscrew - Laguna Seca
Do y'all think the quirky-ness of the interior i.e. the screen doing gymnastics, the instrument cluster and other interior pieces stand the test of time? In short was the fit and finish upto the mark of its german rivals?
Shumi's urban planning degree exprience came in while discussing on speed breakers
Hullo AK! Perfecto!
Yayyyyy I don't have to watch their video in 2x mode. 😂 Kartikeya speaks in normal mode. Thank you motorinc for this extensive review. Kudos
Alright. Good to hear that. Phew.
Hey wheres the RS457 video, I cant find it anywhere
Hey Siddharth, some of the older videos have been moved to the members section. Do check it out! The rest of the weekly content will remain as is. Thanks for asking!
BYD is so stunning. I seen both seal and atto 3 they looks amazing. If BYD became mainplayers none of the mediocre local ev brand can survive.
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Can you guys please guide me if should I buy an electric vehicle? My daily run is about 50-80kms depending on my work schedule for the day. I've a parking space so I can plug it over night. My main concern is I want a vehicle for more than 10 years. Maintenance should be nominal and my budget is 12-15 lakhs I know it'll give just entry level car but I'm okay with Hatch backs and smaller cars. I don't care about gadgets and gizmos. I just want a reliable vehicle and long range.
For 50-80km an EV is a slight stretch. If you must, why not get a CNG instead? Many more options. If not just stick with petrol power.
@@motorinc I was planning for Hyundai Venue diesel, just wanted to explore my options. CNG is also. I'm thinking just to save money and buy an used Brezza Diesel AMT because I'm okay with AMT and diesel will give me a good milega. Your thoughts?
BYD essentially started as battery makers more than 15yrs ago!
I'd love to see an episode of MotorInc where you two discuss the history of lobbying in the Indian automotive industry. Cheers
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The seal sounds like a nice and comparatively cheap electric.
Amazing work kartikeya
Thanks a ton R!
Sir, Please Make a Video on PPF, Ceramic Coating, Graphite coating for car, Do's and Don'ts! Best Brands Available in India !
Also there are many digital rumours in TH-cam that Some Brand and make of sunfilms are legal some say only if provided by OEM, need a clarification and genuine legal advice on this matter
Films are basically illegal unless they block 5% or less of light - you’ll have to look up the exact number. This means infrared blocking films that do not cut light but cut heat should be okay.
As PPF etc, they can help but they’re not essential at all. Coatings generally last about a year (max to max) after which they’ve to reapplied - so we see what they do but we aren’t fans of coatings. Just keeping the car clean and polishing it every so often will do 90% of the hard work, KSS
Please do Atto 3; also compare against Iconiq 5 and EV 6 if possible.
Thanks for the recommendation Shaurya!
shumi's sense of humor is awesome
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Any plans to cover the Zontes motorcycles? Especially, I feel the Zontes GK350 is quite nice. Looking forward to it! @motorinc
Thanks for the suggestion Sonal!
I have absolutely no interest in the BYD Seal or any electric vehicle for that matter. But I'll always watch a MotorInc video because Shumi and Karthik are just too entertaining. Waiting eagerly for ThisConnect S2.
Sharmaji! Thank you as always!
Looking forward to your take on new xuv 3xo
Hey HP! Any specific queries?
Nothing specific
just to see you two discuss the heck out of it
Release a longer version of the intro music pls!! 🙇🙇
i really want the cfmoto 450 mt and kove 450 also to come in india
Alrighty!
9:43
Shumi: "Sorry, I completely interrupted your chain of thought."
Kartikeya: "No no no, That's fine."
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Shumi (Internal Monologue): "Sorry, Not Sorry. Im gonna do I again, and again, and again! As I have done in the past, as I will in the future "
Aww cmon!
guys the top spec has lower range as it has all wheel drive thats why so you have more motors and yes the compnay is giving 8 yrs of warrenty, battery cost is 30% of total car value or something
Hey HV! Thanks for pitching in!
Love the editor ❤
Passing on the love! Thank you so much!
These BYD cars are very good. Honestly the performance and features they offer at the price, makes them very attractive. Do you know that the Famed Tesla doesn’t even have those hand holds for passengers which are usually positioned above the windows? Well, was that an oversight or just a bit of El Cheapo?
Having sat as a passenger in a few BYDs in India and abroad and having test driven their Atto3, I would say their quality is very good. And these new age manufacturers can hold their own with the traditional big western brands.
EV Technology is a great leveller.
And fit, finish and finesse is no longer the exclusive preserve of the big Western Brands.
Hey SB! Thanks for sharing your experiences and thoughts!