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Custom Wedge Shafts - Do They Make a Difference?
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txg.ca - Testing three different shafts in the same wedge to see the difference in launch, spin, consistency, distance control and more! Is it worth having the shafts in your wedges custom fit for your swing? Find out in this video!
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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I did my own testing using Trackman. I found that on any given hit, shaft didn't matter that much with spin all that much, etc. But it was more of the preferred feel and how that feel/profile and weight translated into how well I could strike the ball. I strike the ball much better with Modus than I do DG because I use Modus in my irons. Great vid boys.
This would make sense, considering trackman does not read spin from the ball. It uses predetermined calculations based on other ball data to approximate the spin rate. Thus the same shot from two different clubs would likely yield the same spin rate, despite perhaps one spinning more than the other by a marginal amount.
Proud of being a Patrion member. Mat delivering the strikes, and Ian delivers the knowledge, which is almost as magic.
Matt and Ian, your channel has really opened my eyes on fitting and how to improve my game. It really comes down to the comparison of a fitted suit or a shoe that properly fits. Off the rack just doesn't cut it for people who want to get the most out of the game. I applaud you guys on the work that you do, and continue the great content that you give us. Regards from Los Angeles, Jason.
Wow! All of those techs saying “get this, get that”. I can just watch you guys and just get what I want. Job well done.
Great video guys. I definitely think wedges are one of those clubs in the bag that people very often overlook in the fitting process for the exact reasons you just mentioned. Thinking that whatever shaft it comes with off the shelf will be good enough. Keep the great content coming.
Excellent Video guys, thanks so much. Just verifies that custom fit wedges are like custom fit Irons,they make a huge difference. When i had my Vokey 48 & 52 wedges fit, i ordered them with the same XP-90 R-300 shafts that we fit for the remainder of the Irons, and i notice that the lighter shafts work better for me. 61 years old and slow to medium clubhead speed. Thanks again Tony
This is one of the most informative and relevant videos you’ve put out. You guys just keep raising the bar!
Chris Champion Thank you Chris!!
Perfect Video guys. Would of never thought of changes on a wedge shaft.
100% wedge fitting fanboy here....TXG with Ping Stealth wedges - 50 (bent to 51), 56 and 60. I went with Oban CT 100 in my gap (51) to match my irons as it was primarily a full shot club. Fit with Nippon Modus 120's for the 56 and 60. Most consistent on yardages/spin/trajectory and best feeling wedge combos I have ever played. Interesting side note, my gap (51) has taken over as the greenside go-to club for bump and runs and low spinners given its tremendous consistency, feel and predictable run out. A fitting investment that continues to pay dividends.
Kudos to Chris, Greg and Mike @ TXG...guys are subject matter experts and class acts.
Modus 120 in Wedge Shaft? Or just the standard Modus 120 iron shaft?
Love the high-rev in my taylormade Hitoe, feels amazing.
I have owned a few different wedges in my years of play; shaft chose was never on my radar tell last year. This video verified my own testing of shaft weight, in regards to player ability. One great point that MUST be said again, in regards to wedge performance on "spin:" The Ball used will greatly influence action on the green. Thank you TXG for educating us all; please keep such insight coming....cheers.
Reinforces the reason I’m coming in for a fit. Strike my irons all over the face. Club face just gets lost in the swing. Can’t wait for that! Great video guys!
Really enjoyed the vid Guys as always, I'm on a high today as was discharged by my Consultant who suggests I start to swing a club again and start playing in March as it gets warmer in the UK. He offered to write to MrsBandit saying that it's vital for my recovery that I play at least 3 times per week, the Docs a Superstar!👍🤣🏌️♂️⛳😁
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Ok Raymond !😂🏌️
Bandit Baker great to hear you’re heading back out to the links!!! Hope you’re well my friend!! 👍🏻
Cheers Ian, yes feeling great thanks. I'm working hard in the gym building up my strength and fitness. I'm probably fitter now than I have ever been, so can't wait to get out and start playing again. BOOM!
Thanks for taking the time to make this video. Going forward, I would love to see a video comparing and contrasting wedge shafts of the same weight range if it all possible.
Isao great idea!!
When I bought my wedges after a fitting on my irons, I went (after testing with std wedge and various steel shafts) with the same graphite shaft as my irons so that the feeling across the bag was more uniform and seemless. Indeed the results for me were much better especially going from the pitching to gap wedge (as srixon in left hand did not do a gap wedge in their set). Funnily the gap wedge (RTX 3) with that same graphite shaft as my irons is now the best and my favourite club in my bag. So I would say on my experience both in fitting, on the range and on the course the shaft does matter and in my case the graphite shaft made a big and preferred difference.
Another great video guys. Would have liked to see the stock shaft compared as well considering most amateurs play wedges “off the rack”.
Great video guys! I've been waiting patiently for this one. Bridgestone Tour BX vs. XS next, Please!
The only problem with what you’re saying is finding a good fitter. I can go to 5 different fitters who all say something different.
So tru
It isn't a bad idea to go to different fitters. If they are good they should be trying to achieve the same thing with you. Its up to you to decide which ingredients ultimately work and feel the best for you.
I can tell you that only fitter that you want to go to is a master fitter that is top 100 in the world there is a huge difference going to some one that says okay looks like the clubs are this that come with this shaft and you get them and not that great. Cause those shafts aren’t spine aligned and are just put on. To many other things going on that they don’t care 🤷🏻♂️. Makes big difference on dispersion and consistency which increased confidence. 6 iron on my club set was 160 with stock dynamic gold stiff shafts right shaft and same head loft and look as well as forged. Hit ball 216 !! Do the math there and was swinging easy just making contact with right components. Go get fit true club fitters will tape up clubs so you can’t see brands in my experience !!
@@markmcardle2934 you did not go from hitting a 6 iron 160 to 216 by changing shafts. The worst driver shaft to the best driver shaft isn’t a 56 yard difference. Absolutely no way in hell it’s there in an iron shaft. *Maybe* 160 to 186 is reasonable. PGA tour players average 188 of carry on their 6 irons.
So if you really did go from 160 to 216, you had severely weak loft and went to extremely strong lofts. Zero percent chance the loft didn’t change if there’s that big of a jump
You two are absolutely fantastic! Your reviews, tests, and pure unbiased info is second to none. I can’t tell you how much I appreciate this feedback. Thank you!!
Excellent video with great insight. I suspect you would see greater differences with an average golfer, with more variable swing speeds, when you optimize the shaft for wedges. Even with Matt, aka “Iron Matty”, consistency you saw subtle but significant differences with respect to consistency and dispersion. Based on this, looks like I’m getting Project X LZ shafts when I come for my wedge fitting.
Matty is a bloody robot ! What a great lefty he is. Glorious swing.
Another great video guys, such a refreshing change to hear quality information without all the marketing BS that sometimes comes out of the manufactures.
Keep up the great work.
Just a shame that most people don’t have access to your level of custom fitting & knowledge.
Suberb video lads very informative experience keep up the fantastic work cheers Peter
I switched to accra spt on my 4 scratch forged wedge shafts after a lot of testing. I really love the overall feel of the clubs now, they feel stable and have solid spin. Good fitter really can help you find what feels and reacts to what you are looking for.
Great video! I found when trying the apex iron I liked the heavier tour elevate shaft better. I swung faster and made better contact with the ball. I swung slower and made bad contact with the ball with the lighter shaft. So some great info in this video. Great work guys!!
Had T20 wedge fitting. Modus 105S on irons but Gone with Modus 120S soft stepped in the wedges @ 50;54&58 and slightly flatter lie in 54&58.....🤔👍🏼
Fitter put same shaft from 4 iron through all of my wedges, C-taper 130x. Can’t wait to see how it performs on the course! Hopefully getting them in the next couple weeks
Very informative, and I appreciate how Matt sums up the headlines/learnings. Thanks guys.
Shafts definitely matter... The only stock shafts left in my bag are on my woods.... this past 18 months I’ve been fitted for different shafts through out and my game has improved by miles... after each fitting..immediately see the difference on the course I even changed shaft on putter... shaved off about 5-10 strokes this season
Excellent video, appreciate your efforts to clear up misconceptions
Good stuff, fellas! I can see it now: Matt and Ian petition the Golf Rules to carry...let's say 23 clubs to fit the partial wedge-shot shaft, etc, etc. You're reinventing the game, fellas and definitely improving mine. Still planning on my trip tp T-Town for a fitting. I may have to work out a contract with y'all for as many people as I refer to your channel and shop. Okay, j/k.
Love this vid. Awesome to see how the weight is so important to consistency of strike
Excellent vlog again guys - 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
For a slow swing surfer I presume a heavier shaft for consistency.
What are feelings about some people saying 50 and 54 go with your iron shafts and then change to a specific shaft for 58 / 60 and 62 / 64???
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Information is power.... 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 I enjoy every video you guys put up.
Watching TXG with some chillhop in the backgroup is my new unwind.
The fitter I work with generally suggests using the 8i shaft you use in your irons in your wedges, to match up to the feel to the rest of your irons.. his view is the wedge specific shafts don't add much to spin (as noted in this test), and most players will be more consistent with something that matches up more closely to the feel throughout all the irons. Using the 8i gives a little softer tip section in the wedges for better feel on partial shots.... I think this testing supports that! Do you guys at TXG ever do this?
Tony Brown you have a smart club fitter Tony!!!
I'm playing Steel Fiber fc90 F3 in my irons and have been playing the KBS Hi Rev 2.0 115gm in my 54*/58* wedges and I really like the feel. Recently picked up an RTX FF with DGTI spinner 2 128g. Not sure I like it at all, however, the results on 60-90yd shots are really good, just feels like I'm hitting them with a piece of rebar.
Excited about this and the wedges video to come! Still waiting to see the vid on using 7 iron taper tips in the wedges or soft stepping an X100 or whatever that deal is! Hopefully we’ll get the explanation soon 😉
Cheers guys, you’re on an absolute hot streak since the pga show with these videos!
Great job, enjoyed watching and learning. Looking for more in the future.
Amazing video, once again. The knowledge is great keep it up guys.
Thank you this is really hard work! I appreciate the focus on these wedges
I have the old rifle spinner wedge shafts and SW of D5. I just have always loved the feel. They are 5.5 stiffness. But that is also when I used to play rifles at 5.5 in my irons. I was fit again last year for Project X LZ in 6.5 and live those. Makes me wonder if I should revisit my wedge shafts again.
Brilliant content boys....love it. Let's get some comparison videos on board if you are so inclined. Would love to see some of those. Thanks
It would be interesting and informative to have a video on the various wedge grinds.
Quickly dating myself, the best feel wedge was the Wilson R90 --- coated a red color sort of rubber. Miss that ole dog.
Amazing information to be learned. Great video, thanks for the education!!
Amazed at the result of the 80yrd swings. They look like something I might get 30 yards out of at best.
My iron shafts are project x lz 6.0. 120gr. What would be a good wedge shaft?
In a video could you guys answer the process of becoming a club fitter or just being involved in the golf industry? I'm currently transitioning from the Air Force and want to make a career in golf. Whether that is playing or just being involved. Thanks!
Great video!
Would love to see the same sort of thing in shorter shots. Something like a CTaper vs a Hi Rev 2.0, but on a 30-50 yard shot when the swing speed will be so much lower
I have the project x lz shafts throughout my irons and Wedges and couldn't imagine using a better Shaft for both.
Im playing project X 6.5 in the irons and love them!! is LZ 6.5 a good wedge shaft? Or 6.0 LZ?
6.0 X LZ has the same Stiffness as 6.5 X.
You can find X in 7.0, but NOT X LZ.
I play 5.5 X LZ in my 718 AP2 Irons along with a 46° & 50° Vokey SM6.
I have 5.0 X LZ in my 54° & 58° Vokeys.
The four wedges were Custom Ordered after my Driver/Iron Fitting, before I bought the Irons.
I use these two for a wide variety of short and partial Shots 80 Yards in.
More of these wedge shaft videos please lads! 80
Nice to subscriber numbers going up well deserved
I am playing Ping G400 with graphite shafts down to gap wedge. What do you recommend for sand and lob wedge, steel or graphite? Great video as always. Thanks
Nice video, just got back from the Toronto Golf Show,.When can we expect to se TXG booth at the Toronto Golf Show? GC Quad : find out what your numbers are, closest to the pin challenge, optimize your drive, and so on. Maybe even Ian getting on the stage and doing a lecture on club fitting????
:-) Cheers, Dario
Love the topics covered here guys always informative and helpful information. I'm not sure if you guys have done video on this topic before but could you possibly discuss shaft weight and how it effects your delivery to the ball ie heavier shaft keep you more shallow and heavier possibly allowing more vertical swing plane.
Would have liked to have seen shafts like kbs hi rev 2.0 and dynamic gold spinner compared to standard iron shafts, I have 2.0 and they definitely spin more - love the videos great work
I found simar results that also gained more spin with stiffer/heavier ...big up the KBS Custom Series 😋
Brilliant!
This was super helpful because I'm doing a wedge fitting with you guys in a few weeks.
Great video. Loved the info on what to look for on launch angle, spin rates and deviation. Would love to know targets for lofts oustide of the 54 degree that was tested. Thanks again!
11:21 Timing is speed!
I would really like if you guys did a review on the Cobra MB blades. I know they aren't the newest club right now but I would love your insight on them. Love the videos.
I put a KBS Tour-V wedge shaft in my new Cleveland wedges to bring the spin down a bit, the stock dynamic gold wedge or whatever came in it spun it way too much.
Thanks again. Been always curious on this.
I like the KBS High Rev2.0. 125g
Hi can use do a new ball test compared to a used ball.
It would be interesting to see the same ball new vs used. Love the Chanel 👍
Great work
Merci beaucoup !!
so I currently have modus 105S, in my irons (4-Pw) would you recommend me going to the Modus 115 for my Wedges (GW, SW, LW) 50/54/58?
John Manmano did you ever get an answer? I have the same 105S in 4-PW and love them. Currently have ~95S in my wedges and they feel a tad light.
I suffer from the occasional pull/hook with my clubs, including the wedges, due to coming over the top on my miss. I am getting fit for a full bag in a few weeks. What questions should I ask or what should I look for the fitter to do to help correct this? Heavier shaft/heads?
Try flattening the wedges 2 if not 3 or 4 degrees. (just repeating what I've heard mikey and Ian mention a few times in txg live Q&A)
Quick question for you boys, when you do fit people with an iron and wedge set do you tend to match them with the same shafts?
I have this same question. Looks like not much of a difference so would think it would make sense to just have same shaft through the irons set including wedges. Same feel. Although there’s a big weight difference between my Oban CT-115 ~110g shaft and the standard S200 Vokey wedge shaft.
I know you can't test everything, but interesting that you didn't include a KBS shaft. I was custom fit into a KBS Hi-rev 2.0 shaft for my 55 and 60 wedges which outperformed (spin, launch and control) everything else. I tend not to hit full shots with these wedges which may be the difference.
Hi guys! I really love what you are doing but could you get back to focusing some on the mid-high handicap players? You did some fittings etc. and I’d be very interested in more of that content. Especially I’d like to see the numbers on radar vs the players perception on what he/she normally thinks they are, in distance etc. I recently started going to a place with indoor trackmans and I’m having a hard time understandig it, I feel it is inacurate vs what I know I perform on course.
Thanks!
I absolutely love my wedges, but don't really like the feel of my irons. Beginning to think I need to copy the weight and stiffness of the shafts I'm my irons....
What is the typical shaft in a sand wedge??
To Qoute James Ridyard shortgame expert: Most important is balance point, must suit what kind of release pattern you have.
I did an iron fitting with Mizuno last season into the JPX900 forged with KBS tour 90 Stiff and have been better with my irons than ever. RTX 3 wedges with dynamic gold that I launch low and don’t feel comfortable with. Curious as to what you would recommend for a replacement wedge shaft in that weight category.
Very interesting video. I play Modus 3 120S in my irons but have S200 wedge shafts, which are about the same weight. Should i try S400 or even Modus 3 130S shafts? Thanks
Two questions come to mind - isn’t the value of a wedge flex shaft more about thick rough or heavy sand where a stiffer shaft won’t allow the head to deflect as much? And won’t the difference be more significant for someone with A or R flex shafts, whereas Matty’s X flex shafts are plenty stiff to deal with adverse conditions as is?
I have graphite shafts in my irons. Since using graphite, I've always had steel shafts (manufacturer's stock) in my wedges. Do you suggest trying to get the shaft weight close to the same as graphite? Or something between stock steel and my graphite shaft weight? I use gap and sand wedges for full and partial shots.
I love the rtx 4 with DG s400😁
AnneMa Drou The new RTX4 heads are gorgeous!!
Great vid. Really interested in learning more. I abandoned my TM milled grind 50/54/58 with dg s300 wedges from last year as they were so different in feel from my apex cf16 irons with xp95s. In a quest for consistent feel, I replaced them with apex AW/SW with xp95, and bought a Mack daddy forged 60 that has a relatively heavier dg s200 shaft. I was going to try an xp95 shaft in the 60, but am interested in hearing your thoughts on this (and also interested in learning more about 8i shafts in wedges). Btw, I hit full and partials with the 60, but do most of my chipping with the 50deg, which is now the AW. Thanks!
Matty the Machine. Your very own human Iron Byron.
Kim Hannemann 🤣🤣🤣
How about KBS Hi-Rev and 610 shafts? Though I suppose it will still come down to which promotes consistent contact etc ...
Just wondering if you plan on doing a video with other wedge shafts? KBS 610 or HI-REV. Modus 105,115,125 wedge flex, true temper spinner, ust wedge Proto or Accra?
Following up on the Project X LZ I have the PX LZ stiff graphite in my irons based on what you said would you lean toward the
LZ steel shafts in my wedges or would you think about the graphite? I have been wondering about this because I like the shafts in my irons but they are very different feel now to my wedges.
Great video guys👍
On the shafts you guys use, did you chance from pure grips to lamkin?
Brad Holomek Lamkin Sonar
Love watching you guys. But i don't have places where they offer wedge fittings like you guys recommend. Most fitting places do a basic lie,loft shaft flex.
TXG I am a terrible wedge player with all my off the shelf wedges. I believe they are all S200's. One day I found an old Izzo wedge in a salvage yard and hit some rocks around. Loved the response and feel it gave. It has a Precision rifle WeDgZ shaft. I messed up the head so looked on ebay and found a full set of these. Been playing better golf ever since. I don't see this shaft anywhere. What is this shaft and why do i not see them in stores?
I have project x 6.5 LZ in my irons. What would you recommend in the wedges? 8 iron 6.5 LZ shaft in wedges? Or straight in in?
What about heavy/stiff graphite shafts?
I have the recoil f3 in my cobra forged tec irons, and was considering getting my new gap wedge and 56 degree wedge with that same shaft. Any thoughts?
I also game a 60 degree vokey with a steel shaft which I wouldn’t change- I like that club as it is for just working around the green.
More wedge episodes please :D
Guys, another great and informative vid. No wonder I am an avid viewer of all your material. Could you help me? I play JPX919 Forged with KBS TOUR (R) 110g shafts but have XP105 (R) shafts (fitted) in my Vokey wedges. I am really inconsistent with my wedges. Do you think my wedge shafts seem right and should I get the same shafts (as my irons) in my wedges or go for something heavier/stiffer? Many thanks.
Would you match your gap wedge shaft that you use mostly on full shots with the rest of your iron set
I swing 95-97 mph with 7 iron. About 127 mph with driver. Been playing 85 gram graphite shafts for a few years now in my irons. Grew up on a set of taylormade 200 series irons with 90 gram shafts played them for 10 years any time I tried something heavier my strike moved close to the heel. Borderline shanks. Decided to stick with the 85 gram graphite but have them tipped to an x stiff. Wedges also have the 85 gram shaft. For some reason even though I have plenty of speed my strike becomes inconsistent with the heavier shafts im guessing cause I played the 90 grams for so long. I Competed in college and since graduating I’ve Been playing off a +3 for a few years. Usually get a lot of crap for not playing project x 7 or something “Manley” but I learned a while ago what worked for me and stuck too it.
Hi! Could you tell me which shaft plays stiffer... PX LZ 6.5 or KBS Tour S+ ?
I’m thinking of putting a LZ 6.5 in my 48 and Tour S+ in my 54 & 60. Love the 125 weight, just don’t want to play a stiffer shaft in my 54 or 60.
Thanks!
why are wedge shafts so heavy?, i play xp90 s300, then i have to pull a wedge with min shaft weight of 120+ which is standard. we are not all over 6ft and 95 kilos
I have modus 105 in the irons. Should I go modus 120 in wedges?
Where does the stock Dynamic Gold 'wedge flex' fit into this? I swing about 116 with driver, X100 shaft in my irons, but my wedges came in 'wedge flex'. Are they too soft in comparison to the rest of my bag?
Currently using project x pxi Stiff shafts in my irons , looking at getting some vokey or hitoe wedges what shafts would you recommend