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High Launch VS Low Launch Shafts - The Real Difference
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txg.ca - Further investigating the true role of the shaft and what influence it has on your ball flight. Learn how shaft characteristics affect your timing and delivery, which in turn can have measurable effects on your ball flight. In this test we use two shafts that are almost identical except for one is designed to launch the ball high and the other low (same weight, flex, manufacturer, materials, etc.)
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
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Became a fitter 4 months. Found your channel about 3 months ago and these shaft videos have been helping me making my fittings more precise for the better players when they have specific questions.
Spot on once again! As someone who had never been fitted before I definitely believed that I needed a high launch shaft as I always thought I had a negative AOA and trouble launching the ball. Ironically I found out in my fitting that I'm actually a level to +2 AOA and was fitted into a low launch low spin shaft and I actually hit it a bit higher as the strike point is now much more consistent than it was before. Hopefully people watch this video and learn that nothing is better than a fitting to know what you need. Great job once again gentlemen
A can of foot spray, several shafts with various weights and flexes, and countless buckets of range balls I have figured out my shaft profile for my driver. I also found out exactly what you stress about a shaft not being capable of determining launch and spin alone. What i found out was that a certain shaft profile (heavier weight with an ultra stable tip) produces the best strike location for my swing. Good stuff as always guys.
I have been golfing since 1982 and you completely debunked the paradigm I have had all these years. Great video.
I like to watch TXG videos when it's rainy and I can't go golf lol.
Love this video. It once again emphasizes how personal fitting the shaft can be, and just how important it is to get fit. I think a lot of people see you guys and Crossfield to be on opposite sides of the fence for shafts, but videos like this really show how similar your views are. The way you explain using the shaft to help a player time the swing is fantastic.
FANTASTIC. Have always wanted to see this comparison and you guys explain it so well. "Right shaft = Right timing" This is the best description ever. I have tried out so many low launch shafts in hope to lower my launch only to find out what I was looking for is the shaft with the right timing for me, which happens to be a high launch shaft (Tour AD IZ). This video is so awesome and everybody should see this video. Thank you so much TXG.
Fascinating master class by Professor Fraser. Always learn a lot. The shaft is just one part of the equation. Well done.
Y'all are the Yodas of golf. Every video like this about equipment myths and truths is a gold mine!
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I went from the stock Alta shaft in the ping g400 that weighed 55 grams to an 85 gram shaft and an inch shorter. I’d hit toe strikes every time no matter what I tried with the lighter longer shaft and With the shorter heavier shaft I honestly almost never mis hit the driver anymore. Can’t believe it made that much of a change for me.
So wish I could just fly over to you guys & just get fitted for a full bag & be done with equipment for the next 10 years 😂👌 Quality as always guys
Great video, guys. As a club fitter, I find this kind of information invaluable. It gives me more ideas on what to look for, when fitting someone for clubs. Keep up the good work.
Where are you a fitter? Looking for someone in the Myrtle Beach area that's not Club Champion...
I'm on the opposite coast, in San Diego. I recommend doing a Google search for club fitters in your area. That should give you some idea of what's available.
@@stephenmoxley3004 As a fitter, what should I look for and lookout for? Went to Club Champion yesterday, and it was ok. Felt like they were trying to put me in the most expensive equipment on the planet. The guy that worked with me did actually tell me that my existing driver and shaft were the exact thing I needed, but tried to sell me a $850 3W.....
@@bryanduchane2371, I'd want to make sure that your fitter is using a launch monitor to determine your swing speed and ball flight. That's probably why they told you your driver was ok. I can also tell you that, if your swing speed is less than 90-95 MPH, you probably don't even need a 3 wood in your bag. Especially an $850 one! Slower swing speeds cannot effectively hit a 3 wood off the deck. I'd also make sure that the fitter is measuring the loft, lie and length of all your clubs, to make sure your gapping is right. That should get you through the basics.
Another great video (as always)!! As a suggestion for a new video, do you have a client who might serve as an example for a mid-high handicap female player for a fitting? My wife is an avid golfer in her 50s who is just now starting to grasp what differences in equipment can mean - I've tried to show her your videos, but when she sees Matt hitting 8-iron farther than she hits her driver, she has a hard time relating.. Just a thought.
Excellent and precise explanation. Which I think also leads into different flex, shaft weight etc. The shaft has to match your swing tempo and how you find that is with a fitting with no preconceived ideas about flex or shaft weight.
I always thought soft shafts would make you hook until i got fitted into a TS3 fairway with a M4 TZ 6 shaft. I fight a hook and found the way I load the shaft and the timing keeps the face open just that bit longer. I just don't see how anyone can go get something off the shelf after watching your videos. Great great stuff!
Can you do a video comparing swing weight vs actual weight. My fitting yielded a HEAVIER shaft with a LIGHTER swingweight... so the feeling was that my swing was faster and overall felt lighter... yet my dispersion was about 3 yards better and gained more distance. With MORE OVERALL WEIGHT!! TXG you guys are amazing!!!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽⛳🏌🏿♂️
One of your best videos. Learned alot off this one.
I have a lot of trouble with low spin loft / low spin. I can easily hit 1500 spin consistently even in a 10.5 head. Bought an AD-DJ as it was the "high launch" option I liked the feel of. Went to CC and got fitted into an AD IZ instead. Put the DJ in my 3 wood and picked up 10 yards on both clubs! Crazy what a good fit will do. Able to time the IZ so much better now and getting around 13*/2100 and a much better overall flight.
Fascinating! I am 63 years old. I play dynamic gold light regular iron shafts but a stiff Fujikura 757 speeder in my driver and usually get a soft draw. Riddle me that one Batman.
I play G.D tour ad Di and tested a Tour AD HD and that shaft is definitely low launch.... so consistent .... never hit a driver with shots landing on top of each other... great shaft as always from graphite design.... I will be going back to dial in the driver head to see if I can optimize it for me because it was just so consistent...
Another Great Video, for guys like me always tinkering with shafts, swing and bag set-Ups, exactly what i needed to hear.
This just saved me a bunch of over-analysis! I would be curious if flex correlates with launch, though, as the stiffer shafts tend to be labeled as low launch and the softer (ladies/seniors) shafts tend to be labeled in the high-launch part of the spectrum
Great video. I’m currently play Diamana Blue Board 63g S circa 2009 with a TM Super Tri (Neutral) Head. Are you able to describe the differences in the new BF. I figured 10 years of tech evolution it might be worth looking at an upgrade!
Thanks a lot Ian and Matty for great video...at time 1550, you mentioned a fact that softer shaft left tge face opened for Matt ...thats exactly what I have been experiencing... whenever I went for my good swing (faster) , the faced opened and the ball faded ... but the articles on websites always discouraged me to go for stiffer shaft ...as they claimed that to go for soft shafts with higher torque to cater for fades (snap hooks) ...so much of non sense on websites...
Now please recommend me some shafts to try which won't let the face opened when i swing fast ...ill be very very grateful
From my experience a shaft can play a bigger role in the launch of a 3 wood than a driver. Do you also find this in your fittings?
I just went thru a fitting and found the exact same thing your describing. I could hit my 3W of the deck almost as far as my driver of a tee when I found the right shaft. Actually added loft to the 3W to tame it down......
Great content as always. I would love to see a you guys put out a video that explains the differences between optimal driver and fairway wood shaft. If I've been fitted for my driver, would using the same shaft model in my fairway wood be the right choice? Or do they typically require different shaft profiles? Would love to know.
You guys are awesome!
Awesome,,,,,,,,
I did how ever see the tensei orange launch high compared to the blue and spun too high for me when there claim in high launch low spin. Not for me as it spun too high as well.
The blue was a fantastic flight and perfect numbers for me.
Brilliant again guys and always on the Ball ⛳🏌️♂️
Great stuff as usual, fellas. I can hit most shafts decently after a couple of swings (40+ year groove and moderate swing speed...) BUT when one doesn't work, it is obvious. Most recently the Project X LZ handcrafted... I was prepared for glory and... Nightmare
What an awesome vlog,, keep up the great work 😉🏌️⛳️🍻
Dr. Ian strikes again!!! Love the info and presentation!!!
Great video as always. Any chance you can dive deeper into EI curve and how stiffness in different sections may impact a player’s timing? Or how does a player/fitter narrow down types of shaft profile to try in a fitting. Thanks you.
Enlightening video guys. Can we add a sidenote- how ridiculously good the F9 is!!
I could watch this guy hit golf balls all day long
Dream swing! Dream ball flight
Great video guys 👏. Subbed immediately. Can u do a video next where you talk about shaft torque. I've heard opposite explanations by guys in the industry that say 1: torque has an impact on shot disparity during mishits and 2: torque does absolutely nothing except make a driver feel more "boardy"...
I would imagine that torque (along with other variables, ex: bulge and roll) can somehow interact with horizontal gear effect in either a positive or negative way depending on any swing.. but I would really love a statistical based explanation of what exactly torque does to a swing, all other variables held equal.. if it does anything at all... Thanks in advance if you consider this idea..
Absolutely love this test and video thank you 🙏 ❤
Awesome boys thanks so much!!! Who woulda guessed they were so similiar...
Great Video guys. Very interesting stuff that nobody else is really doing. I need to get a better fitter.
I absolutely love your channel. It’s probably been addressed but load and release are also important variables. I hit low launch iron and wood shafts high and high launch, soft shafts lower. I’ve consistently shoot mid to high 70’s with clubs as customized as possible from a highly respected fitter and lab. My lowest 2 scores came from borrowing my friends clubs on a trip using clubs that were completely different profiles in weight, flex, profile, loft, lie and swing weight. Shot two 71’s.
so, just a question from a high handicapper here, why do most people concentrate on the flex of a shaft, and yet NO ONE talks about the torque numbers. I removed the fujikura stiff flex shaft from my taylormade driver (55g, with a torque of 5.0 degrees) and replaced it with a grafalloy prolaunch blue (65g, with a torque of 2.8 degrees) and it instantly made a difference. The shaft is the same flex, 10g heavier, and 2.2 degrees less torque. I am almost certain that the torque is JUST as important as the flex
Great stuff guys 👍 looks like Matt is starting to eliminate the right side of the fairway, at least in this video.
Excellent video I watch all your videos and they are very informative I also notice if I swing a regular shaft that's too soft I usually push the ball not hook it interesting now I'm kind of understanding why I do much better with a heavier stiffer shaft even though my club head speeds about 103 with a driver but I have a very quick Tempo at the bottom of my swing with my hands I've experimented my whole life to try to find what works heavier and slightly stiffer works better for me my hybrid shafts are 80 gram stiff I hit that much straighter than a 65 gram lighter regular
Brilliant stuff Ian 👏
I learn so much watching you guys. Would love to come for a fit, but my swing is pure shite right now. I need to commit and put in the time for my swing changes. I might still come to TO to treat you guys to some Rodney's, especially if your Raptors actually do something
I have an iron shaft test in two days. Keeping my Hogan PTx heads but may change the stiff KBS tour V shafts. At least have a look to see if it worth changing. Feels like I cut the ball giving a slight right path too often. I like to swing my clubs with full swing over a softer/smoother swing. Also - my dispersion is erratic - with my full swing.
Once we have felt and viewed the different shafts we may have a look at length of club (play standard but I am 188 cm, or 6:2ish, as well as have a look at lie.).
I think it is time after a year of watching THE channel...
One of your best videos!
I hate marketers. So you're saying.....get fit. I was fit at modern golf in Vancouver and we decided on the mizuno 850 forged. Because my equipment is majorly adjusted (I'm 6'7") I've learned to order a single trail club, in this case a 6 iron. It felt nothing like the one I was fitted for, no idea why but it was unplayable for me. That's like 2-3 years ago and I'm still looking, I've got a spare 6 iron and 4 spare 7 irons if anyone needs one😩
ive been trying a few new drivers lately now while im not as good as matty even i can see a massive difference in shaft performance
I love videos like this! Keep it coming
Great insights as always! Could you do a test/review of the Taylormade mini driver one of these days?
misteragony coming this week actually!!
another interesting video. thanks for discussing the EI curve!!
As always very good video.
And first time ever fitted . Thanks for advice . Could not believe difference in shafts . Could not hit modus 105 r but pured kbs 90 a tour
Ian, coming back to this wormhole I've gone down in shaft characteristics... In terms of stability and dispersion, would 350 vs 335 tips make a difference with the same torque rating? I would think the 350 tip would play more stable and improve dispersion, maybe even timing.?
Great video and explanation of the EI curve. The timing of everyone swing is like a fingerprint for that individual. With that being said - I know that if you move a shaft from one driver to another you may or may not get the same strike point. Would it help if you were able to create the same swingweight/head weight?
Very interesting video... I would love to see this experiment done with a True Temper Dynamic Gold S300.
Really a great video! Thanks!
Just fitted for Mizuno clubs . Only prob was launch higish 7 iron 20 deg and spin lowish 5000 swing speed 78 mph . Will angle of attack raise spin and lower launch or go non pen shaft . Or can ball alter . 95 % center strike
Nice video always so helpful
Love the vid almost as much as Ian's shirt.
Love the channel and all of the content you guys put out. Fun to watch and actually learn a few things along the way! Was curious what you guys know about Veylix shafts. Have been fitted 3 times for the Rome 688. Twice in drivers and once in a 5wood. Tried looking at the main page of Veylix for information on the shaft but there is very little to be had.
A defining moment in simplifying the importance of shaft fitting.
Personal experience fairway wood purchase 6days ago.
Why is it manufacturers allow distributors to market there product with one manufacturers stock shaft option when advertising 3 different options?
Additionally when checking shaft length against a friends club of same club size but different manufacturer his club shaft is 1" shorter?.(standard club no fitting)
another educational video, thank you. would like to watch Matt swing from down the line.
Class video as always. Looking for a bit of advice. Driver speed around 95 to 100 constant fade which I'm happy with looking for a good head for a bit more distance. Using ping G400 standard head at the moment. Keep up the good work.
M3 or epic flash might be a good candidate. ST190 could work
@@spidey.bh1144 yeah I think the G400 is possibly spinning up to much. Thanks for your advice👍⛳
Such good content................As always!
Finally got round to viewing this video. Thank you! Is there a way of categorising the heads high spin low spin and lofts for speeds at certain AoA ? Also hints on tips that could help optimise AoA ?
The best videos ever-thank you so much!!!
Am I correct in thinking a stiff tip suits Matt and not a soft tip which seems to me to pliable for him. He has much better control with a harder or stiffer tip methinks. I may be completely wrong. Also Matt himself immediately felt more comfortable with the lower launch version of the shaft. He is an awesome striker of a golf ball. I would appreciate some comments on my thoughts. Once again an absolutely fascinating and great insight into shafts from Ian. Incidentally I would be interested in the difference in torque between the two shafts.
Great content gentlemen! I'll be honest...you have educated me to the point where I'm disappointed with the average fitter in my area. I'm at the point where I'm contemplating renting 6 shafts or so and going to my local sim and just pick the best performer. If I can dial the head in to get my desired launch; selecting a shaft that feels the best and I time well, without sacrificing ball speeds may just be my best course of action? I recently tried an Atmos Black and was hitting it super solidly centering it almost every swing...Its low launch selling point steered me away? Tensei Orange, Atmos Black and Tour AD IZ are a definite 3 I'll be testing in the next week. Any additional advice would be greatly appreciated.
Great video thanks for all the info, what profile will be comparable to a tour ad bb-7 stiff?
Another great video from you guys. How often does a certain swing type suit a certain ei profile? For example, someone who hits down on it suiting a softer tip and someone who hits up on it a lot suiting a stiffer tip. And how often is there complete curve balls to those findings?
Could you please do a video on spining. I have the spine marked on one of my shafts and we cannot agree on whether the spine should be on the side (i.e. facing the target), below or on top. Also is the spine the axis of least resistance? Are shaft made to work along or across the spine please?
Another great video. Could you all do the same test with steel iron shafts from say dynamic gold?
Can a shaft influence how you swing? Would you ever consider this in a fitting? I feel that some people may adapt to the shaft and not let the shaft work for their natural action.
Deang97 absolutely it will.
Im more and more convinced that shaft fitting should basically just be hit whatever you want, find a couple that feel nice, then check the numbers between the ones that you like the feel of and be done with it.
I sorta understand now why pros just care about how things feel
Your golf swing is crazy sick! Why are you not on tour!
Quality comparison / detail as always 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 I noticed that you have x2 red weights to change the swing weight - for Matt's swing or to balance the head to the shafts????
Awesome vid guys. Great to see how same flex can change will the bend profile. Do all manufacturers release the EI curve data for every shaft? I have a UST Mamiya PROFORCE V2 TOUR 6F5 X . Where could I get the data for that shaft? Awesome stuff boys⛳️💪🇦🇺😎
Did a fitting yesterday at PGA superstore. Didn't get the Ping or Mizuno like I thought I would because of 2-4 degrees up angle of attack couldn't get spin down. Got 10.5 M5 Taylormade Graphite design Tour IZ 6. But the ball flight is flat at 25 yrds (outside). Teeing the ball up with the 10.5 causes balloon effect. So losing distance in TX wins. What would be good for a better ball flight with maybe a different club besides going to 9.5 degree
So, the dynamic loft is higher because the face is open, but those were just the shots blocked left. If you compare shots with the most similar parameters where the face was square at impact with same path, was the peak heights the same? I'm curious what the peak heights are on the similar hit shots. I noticed that the data shown didn't have the peak heights.
@ian fraser Do you believe that "one day" when we have the technology to actually breakdown a players "timing" to certain data points, just like we can now with path, AOA, speed, etc... That until that day comes AND those new data points have measurable properties that we can transfer into "information". Then and only then could we begin to start the conversation of how we would "fit" a shaft to a "timing profile". I see this as just undeveloped science, where we could grow the analyzation of a player even further. Just like moving away from the lie board and other preconceptions before we had launch monitors.
michael larimore I believe that day is closer than people may think Michael and the technology may already be available.
16:30....best idiot proof explanation of shaft timing I’ve heard from anyone. Great video guys.
Ian you always got them fly golf shirts on lol so fly like Matty swing lol! -LionWoods
Noticing a lot more forearm rotation in your takeaway, Matt. Slightly faster tempo too? What are you going for? Looks great, of course.
Great vid guys. Love watching from here in Oz! When will you be looking at the GD shafts? I see you go back to Accra and Mitsubishi yet no GD? They have a premium range of shafts that many of us look to when fitting. Keep up the good work!
I think it was Mark Crossfield testing the F9 and found that high toe lost a lot of ball speed. Have you found that?
bkirkwd52 I did speak to Mark about that. I don’t think we’ve seen worse results with F9 than other heads when struck in the toe.
If you don't get fitted your nuts!!
I got fitted 2 months ago for an m6, been working on my swing and going back for a recheck shaft is feeling a little funny.
What is Matt’s Weight configuration on the F9? Is it 6g in the back and 18g in the front?
Timothy Willett 14g front 6g back
Great info & Tq .
Would like to know does the driver head plays a big roll on the shafts?
I mean some Drivers head are designed for low spin and some high spin ...
What's the advantages or disadvantages of stiff butt or soft butt shaft and the same thing with stiff tip or soft tip shaft.what are the feel characteristics.
Aaron Mccardie it’s all about having energy where you need it and stability where you need it.
Of course, too soft and you can't make it snap through impact - it snaps well past impact. Which leaves the clubface open.
Too stiff and you can't snap it at all = "boardy". Could also lead to slices.
Gotta find the shaft that releases just before impact, and that's a road of trial and error. Once you found that shaft, you have to find the matching clubhead to optimize launch and backspin. So that's the route i'd basically go, first find a good shaft and then match it up with a good clubhead.
When do you guys think the video explaining the adjustable shaft sleeve will go live?
What grip is on the clubs ? Test is very interesting
Can you recommend an affordable high/mid launch shaft that pairs well with the sim ti 3 wood?
Hey ian,
I noticed Matt isnt getting quite as high in the 170s or even low 180s as he was about a month ago. Is he just going smoother for more consistency or is something else going on?
Thanks
spidey.bh1 you may remember he had a pretty bad shoulder injury for a while following the PGA Show. So most of the loss in speed is just swinging a little easier right now as he rehabs the shoulder.
@@ianfrasergolf Such a shame he has to put up with a 335 yard drive :)
U the best on the planet mane the golf 👨🏻⚕️ doc and scientist 👨🏻🔬....👨🏻🏫
It would be really interesting on these shaft nerd out videos if there was a high-speed camera capturing the shafts and head through the swing from take away to end of the follow through.
Really interesting that finau uses the rf
Really great information here, and I have had much the same experience. Given that a shaft is really a timing device, can we expect that once you find a shaft you time up well, that it's performance will generally translate well to different heads of various manufacturers, so long as those heads have similar CG qualities and similar head weights? I find that my current Mitsubishi C6 blue works well in any of the Ping SFT heads I've had in my posession (G30, G, G400). Wondering if the C6 would continue to work well for me in other heads of similar CG and weights? Same goes for iron Shafts... Modus 105 Stiff works well for me in the iE1 and i200s, assume it would also translate well into other similar category iron heads?
Mizuno forged . Tried tour but only 75% center and miss hit not great
Hi guys I love the content, I’m gaming the st190 with the atmos 6s shaft and it’s performing well but the launch could be lower, with the atmos black 6 and 7 tour being so expensive, what other low launch shafts can be mixed with the Mizuno?