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HIGH SPIN WEDGE SETUP / Explaining the Trick
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 เม.ย. 2022
- I decided to do a followup video on this subject to clear up some confusion from the original Mobile Clubmaker and Mr. Shortgame videos. Links to those below. This video explains how you can get higher spin out of your wedges.
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You do a great job of communicating. Also, thanks for getting back to me on various questions in the past.
If you compare how different the resulting spin is from a wedge shot when you hit the 2/3rd groove on the wedge face versus the 5/6th groove, (thousands of rpms), then you will realize how important getting the right bounce on your wedge is for Your swing and the conditions You play in is; and also how important it is to play the right shaft weight (usually heavier is better) for you to repeat that same swing over and over is, versus trying to chase an extra few hundred RPMs (that's also fine).
Just watched the video and enjoyed it. I think this is the setup that Tiger has used for years, except he drives a short wooden dowel into the shaft tip. Never really thought about it that much until I watched your video, now it makes sense. Thanks
Thanks AJ for this vid. Love this 8 iron setup by the way.
Absolutely love this site. You save me a lot of time and money. Thank you!
Good video and great needed clarification. Thank you!!
Great information here AJ. Thanks for sharing!
absolutely clear as mud! just kidding! explained in depth .. appreciate it too!
How do I submit receipts for reimbursement for the 2 8iron shafts I installed a month ago, when I was really supposed to use 9s?
Great video! I’m playing sf i80s and seeing Nelly using iron i80s ,wedge95s cw,Lydia using iron fc70 ,wedge fc80.
I’m confused about What the difference between sf wedges line,
What should I use in my wedges and if use sf wedges line in your opinion I should go 90 or 105?
AJ is doing up 2 Taylormade Wedges as we speak, exactly in this spec. Darrell
Does it applies to all the wedges? Or back up accordingly? Like 8i to 55deg / 9i to 60deg?
Love your content, AJ! I discovered your channel this winter and it kept me busy tinkering while the courses were closed here in Chicagoland. Thank you for that! I play DG S-300s in my winter irons set, so I gave the X-100 8-I spinner shafts a go in an old pair of 52° and 58° Adams Tom Watson Classics. I think I did it wrong, though. The wedges are .370 bore, so I just tipped parallel .370 DG X-100 blanks 3 ½ inches to 8-iron spec. I hadn’t yet watched the other video detailing your preference for constant-weight (taper tip) vs. descending-weight (parallel tip) shafts, so I think I missed the boat by not shimming a pair of 8-I taper tips instead. I’m guessing with my current 3 ½ inch-tipped .370 X-100 shaft combo, I’ve probably got the spinner flex component right, just in a slightly lighter package? I hit them pretty well over the winter, just curious about this nuance. Thanks again for getting all of us golf junkies through those miserable winter months!
You are right on with your assessment. The resulting shafts will be lighter than .355 tip versions. Flex should still be similar. If your irons are .370 then the weight progression will be consistent although descending. If not, then the weight drop will be more significant but may or may not be noticeable to you. Will just need to practice with them and see.
Very good explanation
as I continue watch this video, I built clubs.. I understand that but instead of getting a stiffer flex you could always tip trim the shaft to make it more stiffer and allow less deflection correct
Correct, aka Tiger stepping. Same results with two different methods. Only issue is how much room you have to tip when talking about .355 shafts. Usually not a problem for 3/8 inch trim.
I did a Tiger stepping video also in case you want to see it.
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Its also, not always great to start stiffening the end of the bag i.e. you start to get inconsistent dispersion i.e. non consistency for the same swing trough your bag. Its the holy grail to get every club in your bag respond to, fades, draws, low and high shots as you attempt them through your bag e.g. why do I always love a certain few clubs in your bag and hate a few others? Its not you the decent golfer, its your equipment. Hence see your club fitter. I play GSGA am tournaments to a good level and I have personally re-shafted/grip, weighted every club in my bag...except my putter, ebay loves me and its taken a LONG time of experimentation!
Hello thank you for all your work. Since I use Nippon Zelos 7 in regular, will I be using Zelos 7 Stiff 9 iron or Zelos 8 Stiff 9 iron shaft?
So if I have Project X 6.5 in my irons I would need to get 7.0 for my wedges? But I can Project X shafts at 37.5” length and stick em all in my wedges at the same PW length and get a similar result?
The Nippon NS Pro 950GH has PW and W (GW, SW, LW) specific shafts. Would you happen to know if the W and PW shafts are different from each other or is the W just a shorter PW shaft?
I play modus 120s. Would the suggestion be to go Modus 120x in my wedges…..but use the 9 iron shaft? Thanks for the help.
The Modus line makes a designated wedge shaft. Dynamic Gold only makes down to 9i which is where this idea comes from. You shouldn't need this method as much in the modus line. If you did want to have something a little stiffer you would want the 9i x-flex shaft in the 120. Other option would be use the 125 s-flex wedge shaft, as that shaft plays stiffer than the 120.
Great explanation. Can you custom make a set of single-length irons this day?
What kind are you thinking?
How does this set up work for chipping and shorter feel shots? Does it change and feeling from a regular wedge shaft?
It's a bit stiffer, not sure how much you'd be able to tell one vs the other.
So how does the facts feel for finesse shots around the green? I am assuming that it will be a little bit more firm or crisp on pitch shots.
Yes, slightly sharper feel.
Great explanation. My question is what shaft for my wedges. I'm playing DG R300 VSS 95's in my irons. I presume I would go to the DG S200 105 (I cant find the 95's) in my wedges using the "8 Iron trick". This would match match my irons in terms of weight and swing speed.
That would be the closest thing.
Will it work with project x golf shafts?
It's not necessary because PX makes a dedicated PW shaft. Dynamic Gold stopped making the PW shaft so you must use a 9i shaft in the wedges.
Great video. I am using Modus 115’s in stiff flex. What would be the effect of going up to X-Flex and using an 8i shaft instead of the 9i in wedges? In terms of ball flight and spin. Thank you
8i probably would not see much difference from the stock wedge s flex. The 9i in the Modus line would be what we want for this method to work.
Hi AJ, recently found your channel and love your content! I'm seeking some advice. I'm in the process of ordering new wedges and would like to apply this setup to them. I got fitted for Stiff Aerotech i110 (parallel shaft) in my irons. Would I hard step the stiff shaft or get the wedges with X-Stiff Aerotech i110? or is there a different process since the shafts are not tapered?
With parallel you can just tip trim the shafts an extra 3/8 inch to 1/2 inch to achieve the same sort of results.
@@EFGMC Thank you!
When you say “extra”, do you mean from raw tip to the prescribed trimming instructions?
Specifically SFiber i series, PW is 3.5” per manufacturer…do you go to 4” for GW, 4.5” for SW and 5” for LW??? Parallel section is only 5.5 long.
Or for the “spinner” in this wedge/shaft combo do you tip trim a +1flex raw shaft to 9i specs for installing?
Thanks AJ, you’re a mentor to so many out here, and you probably don’t even realize it!
So tell me the difference here what if i use a 3 iron X-Stiff shaft instead of a 8 iron or a 9 iron X-Flex shaft?
A 3i shaft is much more flexible than a 8i or 9i so you'd be going in the wrong direction for the results we want.
Great video, I want to order some new wedges to try this out but I had a quick question- I currently play x-100 in my irons- would I double- soft-step a 8i x-100 in my 50, 56 and 60 or just 60? (I currently play s400 in my 3 wedges all at D5 sw- 50 is mostly full shot only). Thanks for doing these videos!
If you currently have the s400 in them, then just move into the x100 8i is perfect. It will be softer than the irons but stiffer than the S400. Unless you are really going after the wedges I would stick with this.
@@EFGMC I read on golfwrx from Howard Jones, who you shouted out in the first video, that x100 iron players should not put the 8i x100 in their wedges, because it will actually be softer than the x100 #9/PW shaft. He recommended putting in the x100 in the wedges, but I am wondering if you could put an X7 8i shaft in as an x100 player. Not sure how the X7 and x100 profiles compare.
@@vladdrag25 Howard has recommended that option to people. Just need something slightly stiffer than what the alternative would be.
Can you be specific on the name of shaft . Dynamic gold x100 8 iron shaft.. is there a part # for that shaft . Thanks
The X7 8i is way too stiff for chip shots. Great for full or 1/2 shots. I was a PX 6.5 player and 6.0 in my wedges and I didn’t like the X7 8i in my SW or LW. I went back to DG x100 for more feel and softer shaft to shape shots easier. The x100 8i is the same feel as the PX 6.0 in the wedges for me.
Hi AJ love your 👍Video’s, However with Wedges & speciality Wedges I have found stiff shaft’s limit the club’s ability to play different short game shot’s, in my 56deg Callaway PM grind Wedge I use a Project X 5.0 flex Pxi Shaft, This shaft help’s on versatility of shots hitting lower trapped shots & higher flighted shots, And think manufacturers have understood this & now offer & lighter Wedge shaft option,
90% of 56deg wedge shots are hit less than full ie:- partial shots it makes sense to use lighter softer shafts,
What are your thoughts AJ, Thanks Dickey UK 9hcp 75year Senior Golfer
I agree this setup is not going to be for every golfer especially in regards to weight. Most pros still use the softer shaft in the wedges because they prefer the feel. This is just one setup option people can consider and might not have known about or understood the physics of what’s happening here.
I play modus 105 stiff in my irons until Pw. Modus line has PW dedicated shaft. So I should use 9i 105 Xstiff shafts for the Gw, SW, LW?
Can I use 9i shaft from the modus 120x line up for a heavier weight as well?
Appreciate your feedback love your vids!
You don't need to do this in the Modus line because they have those dedicated wedge shafts in 105, 115, and 125 weights. Dynamic Gold only goes down to 9i shaft which is why we are (creating) a wedge shaft with this trick. Modus has the wedge shaft already, so no need to use something else.
Would this same idea work with graphite shafts? For instance, if all the irons are KBS TGI 80g (which only goes up to 9i) I could theoretically choose a KBS TGI 90g 8i shaft and toss it in my PW, GW, SW, etc. (butt cut to length) and get this effect?
Yes, as long as the shaft is slightly stiffer than the alternative, you should get the same effects.
Just came across this, and the Mr. Short Game video. Question for you - I have Steefiber i95s (stiff) in the my irons. If I were to try this would I want to go i95 x stiff, or i110 x stiff? I've always been told heavier shafts go in the wedges. I currently have DG 115 wedge shafts.
You could go either. The method we use keeps everything pretty similar on static weight but you can just as easily use a 10g heavier (for example) shaft in the wedges if you like a heavy wedge feel.
In either case though you will want to use a 9i shaft, not the 8i since Steelfiber makes a dedicated wedge shaft in the lineup.
Also not sure how stiff the 95 is in comparison to the 110. That 110 is a beast compared to flex.
Hi AJ! Thanks for the clarification. Makes sense. Here’s a question for you though… I use Elevate95 stiff shafts. There is no stiffer flex in those…lol. Do you have a recommendation of something similar to do this process? Thanks in advance!
Dynamic Gold 105 X 8i
Thanks!
Hi. What do you do if current wedge shafts are s200...would you use a s400 8i? Rest of irons are elevate tour 117g
I would still use the X flex Dynamic Gold 8i shaft here. The S200 and S400 are basically identical in flex, only 4 grams of weight change.
Is it okay to use project x ls 6.5 8 iron shaft in my wedges to get the same result? Or does it just have to be dynamic gold?
Just needs to be a stiffer shaft than the alternative. X100 8i works because it's stiffer then the 9i shaft that DG uses for 9,PW, SW, LW.
Not sure how the ls 6.5 matches against the DG wedge (aka 9i) shaft.
So I have changed the shafts in my Mizuno JPX800 Pro Forged with exact replacements of Dynamic Gold S300 105 to reduce weight but keep similar shaft characteristics. So in the video you mention that Dynamic Gold shafts only go to nine iron. So when it comes to the PW or GW are you saying that the nine iron shaft would be what is used in the PW and GW? Just good to know. I bought the shaft used pulled from some other clubs. So I just replaced same to same as identified when the shafts were pulled. I just bought a Titleist 54 and 58 wedge with the standard shafts and they work just fine. I do not know the shaft specifics on the new wedge shafts as compared to the S300’s.
Correct, the 9 and pw are the same. Pulls will just have the 1/4 inch length difference. Titleist will have either 128g or 132g Dynamic Gold shafts stock.
A year later and now I’m building my new GW so I come back to this video.
I’m already using a DG X100 iron set which means I won’t have any stiffer flex to go up to.
If I use DG X100 8-iron shaft to build my GW, would it produce the low launch high spin…???
It will be stiffer than the S400 that comes standard in wedges but will be softer than your irons.
If you are in X100, the other option is going to X7 in 8 iron to make it stiffer than your PW.
@@EFGMC now that'll be even harder to find in my country since we rarely have X7 in stock. 🤣
Anyway, thank you for your advice. Keep up the good work sir. Your content has been very useful for building my bag.
Quick follow up, in case I cannot find DG X7 in my country, since I have designated X100 for PW, at least I should be using that one instead of X100 8-iron correct..???
@@samprasfoon06 Other option is to tip the X100 3/8 of an inch. This will still give you enough shaft to fit into a .355 hosel but will also stiffen it up to play similar to what we were showing in the video.
@@EFGMC thank you so much for your advice. Much appreciated sit.
What's the advantage of 8 iron shaft vs 9 iron because you are going to cut it anyway to same length? Did you explain this?
9i shaft in stiffer flex would also work. The 8i is more natural progression so that the club feels consistent with the rest of the set.
Just subscribed to your channel!!! Excellent video. My question is, can I install the x100 8 iron shafts’ to my 46 and 50-degree wedges to see the benefits of lower launch and higher spin? Or is it better only for the higher lofted wedges? Looking forward to your reply!!!
Less effect with the lower lofts because the ball compresses more on it's own. 50 might see a small change, wouldn't bother with the PW.
@@EFGMC Thanks for answering my question!!! Keep making them videos...
Thanks for making these videos! Just wanted to ask if you have a Project X LS 7.0 in your irons, what stiffer shaft should you use for the spinner wedge shaft? Thanks
That set has a dedicated 36.5 length shaft for the wedge so I would use that shaft again in the higher lofted wedges. Dynamic Gold does not make that length, which is where this whole idea comes from. The PX LS does, so you can just use that same wedge shaft in all the wedges.
@@EFGMC Thanks for yoyr reply!
With kbs having the lowest club in the $taper as a sand wedge would I get a PW shaft?
Since they make a dedicated wedge shaft, this isn’t necessary, just install that shaft.
@@EFGMC would I go up in stiffness or keep it the same?
@@ryangeorge59 I will usually stay the same because otherwise you are actually going up in stiffness twice of the method I showed here, because of that already existing wedge shaft.
What’s your experience with Modus Wedge 125 (133g) and/or KBS 610 Wedge (Stiff+ 125g)?
I play X100 in irons thru Gap wedge.
I have not frequency checked them for flex vs the x100. I know the 125 line is very stiff overall. the 610 has that wider diameter, I'm not sure how that would change the trick here.
This is basic soft stepping. Dustin has this in his irons. I hard step my parallel S300's. X100's are wider in diameter vs S300's. A wider diameter makes a shaft stiffer. Problem with using a shaft that is too stiff in a wedge =, for a partial short i.e. not full speed, you tend to pull/push because you can feel you are getting less help form the shaft. Ultimately, you have to try ALL options for all wedge swing types to get the best fit for all wedge shots i.e. you dont want a great SW that is great for full shots, but not good for 50 yd punches
You can't go wrong with a longer stiffer shaft!
What if you are already playing a very stiff shaft i.e. project x 7.0? Would you just hard step the wedges once, twice, or would you suggest the tiger step method. Thanks
So PX already makes a PW specific shaft so you don't have quite the same issue as with the Dynamic Gold line up. If you are wanting to try and get it even stiffer to cut down on launch and up spin, you need to Tiger step at this point. Just know that shaft is going to be stiffer than an I beam which you may not love on the finesse type shots.
@@EFGMC thankyou I'll try it in my old wedges b4 I order the new ones
Great video! Following your method I would now like to try and put a Project X LZ #9 iron 6.5 shaft in my 52 degree Callaway MD5 Jams wedge. The original shaft is 115g and the Project X LZ 6.5 is 125 grams, would this change in shaft weight be significant regarding swing weight? I would like to keep my wedge at its original D3 if possible since I seem to be pretty sensitive to swing weight. What would you recommend if I want to keep the swingweight? Btw: I would be happy to pay for your consulting on this issue since I have a hard time finding anyone where I live that can help me.
Usually see a 1 SWP change per 9g of shaft weight so you might go up 1pt. No real way to counter that unless you remove some weight from the head or play at a fractional shorter length.
@@EFGMC Thanks, might try to shorten that wedge a bit and see how it feels.
AJ - Great content. Any recommendations for an alternative to the DG 120 X100 8i (it’s backordered until 05/30/22)? Im impatience and hoping for an alternative option. Thanks in advance!
I have the KBS Tour wedge shafts in my wedges right now. Stiff flex so they are 120g. Funny I actually bought two DG 120 x flex 8i shafts thinking I would swap them but those turned out to be softer than my KBS.
I’d sell you these if you want them. Need to check the lengths but I believe I cut them to play standard length in my Mizuno wedges.
Thanks for the update. I would certainly buy them if they weren’t already cut. I play all my wedges the same length 35.5”.
Would have been nice to have this information the first time around. Before I spent the money on the nippon shafts
It was in there in my video.
@@EFGMC The shaft flex change was in your first video, but not the difference between manufacturers. I bought the x flex 8 iron shaft in nippon, but now find out it should have been the nine iron x flex
Question … so if I’m wanting to do this wedge shaft setup but my entire set of irons have DG X-100s and I’m a +1 inch in length could I put the 7 iron shaft in my 8-LW due to needing the extra overall length ?
The raw shafts are plenty long. You would not want to go to the 7i because you would be more flexible. This only works if you are comparing X100 8i with S400 shaft used in wedges. If you are already in X100, you would want to either move into X7 8i shaft or could Tiger Step the wedges with either S400 or X100 depending on how you use them.
@@EFGMC ok that makes sense. The main reason I asked is right now the availability of .355 taper tip X100s isn’t the greatest.
I am playing mmt 90s shafts in my irons. Decided to try this trick with graphite shafts so I ordered the recoil 110 to 8 iron shafts and put them in my wedges. After seeing this video I realize that I probably should have put the 9 iron shaft in the wedges instead of the 8s. My swing weights jumped from D5 to D9 respectively, so you think this is because I put the 8 iron shaft in instead of the 9 iron shaft?
Little heavier and different balance point could account for a few SWPs. Assuming you kept the length the same?
@@EFGMC I did. I was playing kbs tour 120s in my wedges so the overall static weight is lighter with the recoils.
Also, why do you prefer taper tip instead of the parallel tip?
Taper Tip js constant weight whereas the parallel tip isn't.
Exactly. Constant weight is always better if it’s an option vs descending weight.
OK, but can you please explain how LESS dynamic loft could create MORE spin (assuming all else is equal)? I still think there has to be more to the story.
There is a certain loft angle where you see diminishing returns on spin. Somewhere around 54 degrees give or take. Over that number the ball can not compress enough on the face to impart the same kind of spin.
@@EFGMC now that is intriguing! Do you have a source I could check out?
How important is swing weight compared to shaft flex
They are linked. Higher SW will give a softer flex/feel in any given shaft. Both are important but golfers will vary as to how important each is for them.
@@EFGMC then why do some club makers (I e. Good Galaxy) state that swing weight doesn't matter?
Great Video, how far can someone take this, say using the x100 and a 7iron shaft :p
Nope, that’s going the wrong direction. Need to be going stiffer to increase this effect. The trade off is at what point does the club just feel too stiff and negatively affect performance.
@@EFGMC It would be cool to do a video talking about how shaft stiffness works between the irons. i know i definitely do not understand it
Why wouldn’t you just go a step stiffer. I.e. use an extra stiff PW instead of a 9 iron extra stiff?
Great question. Just to build on this, there seems to be two different things happening here: (1) switching from a stiff to extra stiff shaft, which increases stiffness, and (2) butt trimming, which decreases stiffness. So we don’t really know whether the end result is a shaft that is overall more or less stiff than the original wedge shaft.
You could and get similar results. What this does is keep the consistency of feel between what’s in the PW and the higher loft wedges. Going X PW could feel too rigid.
RIght so your getting something with an extremely low Kick point
So do i start with the 8 iron shaft? 😂
8i shaft in Dynamic Gold, X flex
Can anyone confirm for 2023 for sure KBS does not make a PW shaft for their flagship Tour shaft? On their website it lists a PW option separately from 9 Iron implying it is indeed a different shaft. So confused
Does this also apply for graphite shafts like Steelfiber?
SF makes a dedicated wedge shaft so this isn't necessary.
@@EFGMC Dynamic gold also makes a dedicated wedge shaft so then why did you do it?
@@ultimatejay That Spinner shaft actually does the opposite of what we want. More loft and less spin.