2023 Toyota Sienna VS Honda Odyssey VS Kia Carnival || Which Minivan Is Best?
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- 2023 Toyota Sienna VS Honda Odyssey VS Kia Carnival review. We review and test drive the 2023 Toyota Sienna, 2023 Honda Odyssey and 2023 Kia Carnival to find out which is the best minivan you can buy. If you are buying a 2023 Toyota Sienna, 2023 Honda Odyssey or 2023 Kia Carnival, make sure to watch this review.
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Have been waiting for this one. I appreciate that, unlike most reviewers, you emphasize reliability. Thanks.
Salesmen the lot of them; I couldn't care less about all the other moot points, and if I cared at all, I'd ask a dealership snake about it.
I rented a hybrid sienna from SD to Vegas and i went there and back in two tank refills. It was roomy, comfortable, well balanced. NGL I was very impressed, so many charging ports and storage space
Toyota should come in dead last, it doesn’t even compete in the same class anymore based on price.
You won’t find a sienna Anywhere for less than $10k-$15k above msrp AT THE VERY MINIMUM.
Excellent job like always. Realistic, brief, and trustworthy reviews. Thanks
Thanks!
Can’t go wrong with either one of the 3 but for long term ownership with after sales support I’ve found Toyota is unparalleled and unbeatable compared to all brands regardless of price range or class. Moreover, with the average price of gas above$5/ gallon, I’ve found the Toyota Sienna 36 MPG is attractive. My current 2005 Sienna is running great at 323K miles and spare parts are easy to find and cheap to buy. Sienna is my first choice and runner up is the Honda Odyssey.
We have a Honda but I always know that Toyota will always be the number one from any other van
Agree.
And don't forget, AWD option starting on the XSE & Woodland trim.
is your 05 a hybrid? I'm not familiar with the longevity of hybrid vehicles. thanks
I want sienna because of the hybrid but how reliable is that it's hard to beat toyota or honda both are great
I wanted the Sienna until I finally got to drive one. It drove fine, but the interior felt cheep and uncomfortable. I couldn't see paying $50k for a xle that felt so bad inside. I loved driving the Odyssey exl. The mpg and awd of the sienna is nice, but that is all. Odyssey has reliability issues the first few years after a model change, but are usually solid after that. I don't trust Kia yet.
I cannot agree with you more. I am owner of 2021 odyssey touring. I enjoy driving it every single minute.
Hard to argue with anything you stated.
I’ve owned the Sienna. The interior finish is poor. I’ve seen reviews applauding it’s comfortability. It can’t touch the odyssey for comfort.
Exactly my impression of Sienna. Wanted to buy one, but ended up with Odyssey. Very happy with my choice so far.
You sound extremely picky!
I want a sienna because of the hybrid but honda or Toyota it's hard to beat
We have Kia Carnival and we love it! We are also very impressed with Kia’s warranties and warranty services! It’s a very reliable and comfortable van. I know Kia is a newer brand compared to the other two here but We are so happy we decided to buy it!
Please share your snow driving experience
Mina, we bought our 2023 Kia Carnival about a month ago and love it as well. Drives very smoothly, the interior is very comfy and the technology can't be beat!
How is it at the pump? I currently am driving a 2013 Honda Odyssey and am paying between $65 every 2 and a half weeks.
We have a rear wheel drive Expedition in northern Utah. Snow tires during the winter and ZERO issues. Front wheel drive is fantastic in the winter, and I would argue, BETTER for the majority of drivers. My opinion, and plenty will disagree, is that if you can't handle a front wheel drive in the snow, you shouldn't be on the roads. All AWD will do is put you into situations that you can't handle. Now, is it NICE, yes, but necessary, no. @@hai2560
Kia has one of the WORST SERVICE DEPARTMENTS IN THE COUNTRY, hopefully you don't have to deal with them
I own a Kia Carnival, awesome MPG, comfortable and as a dad I don't mind driving it when the whole family is going on a trip.... in sport mode it moves nicely and awesome engine grunt.... 😎 👌 Happy with the wife's choice.
Please share your experience in snow driving..
@@hai2560 🤡
I just sold my 2022 sienna for a 2023 odyssey. The MPG is amazing on the Sienna and available AWD is a plus if you need or want it. Styling is subjective but I think the Sienna is more stylish .
I feel the Odyssey beats it in every other category. The Sienna wins if you put MPG above all else or need AWD. The siennas synthetic leather seats are awful for any trip longer than 30 minutes. The back seat is a penalty box on the Sienna and the leg room in the third row is less than the odyssey. I don’t care what the measurements say. I guess it just depends how for up your push the middle row. The big plus is resale. I certainly didn’t get hurt on selling it. Just underwhelmed the longer I drove it.
Odyssey has higher quality cabin materials and just a better vehicle to spend your time in.
Overall both good minivans. I can see why people would put the sienna #1. However, for me it’s the Odyssey.
I just got a 2023 Odyssey and love it.
The odyssey is the best van put there even without AWD or hybrid. I own 2 and my friend own the Sienna and I am way above.
I have a 2022 Odyssey and it gets over 30 MPG on the highway plus drives much better than the other minivans.
@Ralph LaSalle people are not stupid. I am sure no one puts a knife to their heads telling them to buy the odyssey. The odyssey drives better, looks good, has better features, has more space, is reliable, and does pretty well in comparison with mpg. It's a better overall vehicle
In addition when I went to the Toyota dealer they wanted $5000 over MSRP while I got y Odessey EX-L for MSRP of $42000.
Another great video Shari. Keep 'em coming!
I own a 2007 Toyota Highlander Hybrid with over 316,000 miles. Never had any problems with hybrid batteries. The only out of the ordinary maintenance problem was wiring harness at 275,000 miles for around $200.00. I have a 2015 Honda Odyssey which is a very good minivan. But if I were to buy a new one I'd lean to the Toyota because their hybrid system is so reliable.
Impressive!
@@terahmunstermann7291but why you need that much mileage car, better change cars often for pleasure drive with new technology
@@Babula134 I didn’t say he needed that many miles on a car. I just said it was impressive that he did. Vehicles that go 300,000+ miles are well maintained and well built. Just a simple observation.
My job has both vans. I drive both pretty frequently. The driving experience on the Toyota is just meh. The Odyssey on the other hand drives like a car. It's surprising. The V6 is quick and powerful. If I'm to drive at work, I always prefer driving the Odyssey because of its great driving experience. The driving experience made me consider the 2023 Honda CR-V as my next car...which I finally bought.
Less mentioned here is Kia Carnival.
I have a 2015 Sedona and still drives nice to this day. If I have to choose I would still get the Kia - their warranty is better and cost for the parts and service is way cheaper compared to Honda and Toyota.
If you have to look at the van, drive it, or sit in it, it’s definitely the Odyssey. If you’re just going off stats and you won’t have to live with it, the Sienna.
We bought the 2022 Kia Carnival it’s beautiful and treats our family beautifully too! I turn my lease in next year already looking out for the next color but will still go with the SX Prestige package!! I had an Odyssey before this one and cried when I let it go. I brought my baby home in it! It was a good van but Kia puts their MPV into another class! ❤
Great video thanks so much
Excellent video I’m very happy with mi 2021 Sienna XSE the best option. 36-38 Mpg incredible gas e economy. Great reability reputation, and highly sale value.
I'm jealous I drive a 15 odyssey elite and it's not bad on gas when you take it easy. 650km - 750km on a tank average. 810km is the most I ever got out of it.
Thank you for the very detailed rundown on the practical user side of all of these vehicles. I have to say that not being able to remove or fully fold down the seats in the Sienna is a major deal breaker for me, and I'm not totally sold on hybrid systems in general. I am definitely going with the Honda if I can find the money for it. I appreciate the resale value discussion on the Carnivals as I've been considering them but don't like the idea of burning money in the long term.
Great video as always. Have you ever considered a Buy VS lease type of video. Maybe it could be shorts or something? You're great at recommending cars to purchase and hold on to but a lot of people lease and might like to know the pros and cons of buying vs leasing for certain cars. 😀 Just a thought.
Thanks! I made a lease vs buy video last year. Check it out! th-cam.com/video/dc_tUXCH1xc/w-d-xo.html
Good review. Take the word “too” and “lots” out of your script and you’re golden.
I owned the 2021 Sienna XLE and now have the 2023 Oddessy Touring. Toyota’s fuel economy is superior and the one thing I miss the most with the current market we’re in. It’s also waaayyy more spacious then the Honda. Problem is, dealers are selling at least $5k above MSRP and there’s a 30-45 day wait period. You need to put a deposit down to even see one in a dealer. You can get a high end Honda for the more basic model of the Toyota and Honda does drive better, in all capacity. I like both vans a lot. But I think the Sienna wins the prize for me too. I’ll probably be trading back at some point down the line.
I bought my Kia Carnival August, 2021, and have put over 21K miles on it. It has a smooth ride and handles well, even on miserable Alaskan winter roads. I got 36.3 mpg on a 222.1 mile trip. Very happy with it and with the service from the Lithia Kia dealership in Anchorage.
Please share your snow driving experience
@@hai2560 Why do you keep saying the same thing?
@@Superman-xr1oh I have seen many vedios of kia carnival. Every body is saying about looks and features.. But none explaining about snow drive experience. That is the reason I am asking the same question in all forums. Nice that you noticed it.👍. Also I would like to know in which barnds winter tires it’s the best.
@@hai2560 Google
@@Superman-xr1oh because you can't find many people talking about it and many people need to know how reliable it is compared to the others in inclement weather. Doesn't require a snarky response from you.
Pretty surprised by the results. It should be:
1. Kia Carnival
2. Toyota Sienna
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5. Honda Odyssey
Thank you for the video
Hesitated by brand Kia, but Kia Carnival stands out of all mini van by style, technology, comfort. Its the next generation mini van/MPV and difficult to find one coz of high demand. Also great on fuel efficiency. When you drive it just feels like driving SUV.
Everything not really true, minivan already better then suv for all of specs
The Odyssey is the winner overall. It competes with all the others and won in most categories. It is a reason why it is the most selling of all over the years. Imagine some of the vans are AWD and hybrid but still the odyssey is outselling them.
… one thing about Chrysler minivans: I drove a Dodge Grand Caravan SE for 14 years and 196,000 miles, with very few problems - best cargo space of any minivan I’ve seen since … it could out-haul our 2000 Odyssey, and it out-handled the Honda in snow … 👍
I went with the honda odyssey
Me too, the engine and the transmission are great for a long term owner
What OTD price did you get if you don't mind sharing?
@@zfold4702 naturally aspirated engine V6, and the transmission are automatic not CVT. These are great for long term owners like myself because engine with V4 turbocharged or supercharged are not reliable in the long term and CVT transmission are suck this is the only word I say about CVT
Me too
When one must first buy a mini van and then have it converted into an ADA Compliant vehicle, one learns much about the different van options. Hands down, the Toyota Sienna reins king! We traded our Pacifica for one.
I watch these videos to gauge car review channels. Your blatant honesty about the Pacifica has sold you channel. You have earned my sub
Thank you very much
Honest review, but I still think 4 cylinder vehicle long term wouldn't match a v6 long term especially with load.
I like the odyssey for the handling and smooth power. The sienna and caravan sits higher, more truck like and floats around corners. If Toyota kept the v6 it will definitely be a better contender. All 3 vehicles are great in its own way.
I don’t trust four cylinders they seem to have more valve and lifter issues and overheating and motor issues in general they’re the ones that blow up
Recently purchased 2023 Honda Odyssey under MSRP and saved thousand over Sienna, prefer the smooth v6/10 speed over the 4 cylinder and CVT. The MPG is nice, but it will take sometime to break even since most available sienna were 6k+ more. Odyssey hands down drives like a large accord which is my preference, than "minivan".
people need a 6 cylinder ...
Sienna drives like a van, while Odyssey drives like a car.
Wow 2023 under msrp? Hard to believe...which dealer? Congrats! Was shopping for niece HR-V and most dealer added $2-$3k over msrp.
Where did you buy ? The cheapest I could find in my area is 1000$ above msrp
@@rajasekarsj I negotiated with Hardin Honda, Anaheim, CA, over the phone.
Great overview
Clearly the KIA Carnival SX Presitige.. Wow.. at $52K *MSRE cannot be beat. Over the top.. ridiculous.. I do not want a Hybrid or AWD.. Love the engine.. pulls hard at 1200 RPM. On highway~26 cruise control 75MPH.
I had considered the Sienna when looking at new vehicles this year - main problem being (not surprisingly) availability. Dealers in the London (Ontario) area were saying 6 to 9 months wait for hybrids (and that was in the spring). Another Toyota-perk of the Sienna is that Toyota's been doing hybrids now for well over 20 years, and they've proved that their hybrids can operate reliably well past the 10 year mark. It's a piece-of-mind you can't really get with other manufacturers. When it comes to aesthetics, however, I have to give Kia major points; the Carnival looks incredible. I never thought I could say that about a minivan. I hope for Kia's sake that the years to come will prove it to be a reliable build, which should help with resale - but only time will tell there. Anyway, another great review!
I ordered mine in March. They told me mid to end of summer. Last month They told me I’ll get a 2023 but they still don’t have a date.
@@alfonso1843 Yikes. I ended up getting a Subaru Crosstrek - ordered in March, got it in July. Though to be fair, Subaru can no longer give final prices or delivery dates either now.
Sienna's are now averaging 12 months in Ontario! Unfortunately Carnivals are no shorter.
@@carhelpcorner Holy moly! The Subaru dealer told me I got in at _just_ the right time to still get a great deal and timing. I got financing at 1.9% (and only financed 2 years on the remaining price), and got a good delivery data and price. Now they still don't have pricing on half the 2023s, and while they can take orders, they have no solid delivery dates. And financing will run folks a LOT more now too.
@@alfonso1843I ordered my in Dec 2022.😂 it has been a year, they still don’t have anything for me
Good review,
Good quick video hitting most of the key issues. Well done. My only concern with the Sienna is if you load it up with 7 or 8 people is the HP difference an issue?
Most likely. It will also depend on torque.
I'm amazed anybody could recommend the Toyota sienna after driving it. The CVT transmission and underpowered engine make for a horrible experience. When you try to accelerate you are met with loud engine noise without any acceleration.
I agree. Friend got one and took me for a ride around the block and I couldn’t help but laugh when he floored it and the engine roared and we still were going the same speed. He laughed at me laughing, it was great. But not the acceleration
Of course, it's has smaller engine and why would you floored a mini van? This vehicle is not for racing.
Buy sports car minivan is not for you:)))))
@@thomasmcmahan2014 you can get another hybrid minivan from Honda or Kia that can get 35mpg.😉
My 2017 Sienna does the same thing at lower speeds. If I step on it, it goes nowhere.
The chrysler pacifica has great resell value great reliability, has all the features and more including hybrid and awd. Also is equal priced if not more reasonably priced because you get more money for what you pay. I had a 2017 chrysler pacifica limited for 2 years and it was way more advanced than my Honda Odyssey. I loved it everyday and can't wait to get another one. My husband wrecked it. It was a sad day. None of those vehicles had one press anything. Being able to press one button as a mom and have my seats move was a life saver when holding a baby. I definitely think you need to do more research before writing something off.
I found the new Sienna to be uncomfortably slow during our test drive on the highway. It felt borderline dangerous compared to the last Sienna. Its pushing me towards an Odyssey.
Sienna is the way to go for me
Your reviews are good from a 5' 8" perspective. If you have any tall friends, we'll say 6' 5" or over, bring them along on your next test drive and get their point of view. Biggest bone of contention will be the insanity of the manufacturers to install sunroofs on everything just to get an upgrade on the entertainment system thereby lowering the interior headroom by at least 2 inches. This goes for SUV's as well. An option I would like to see is the removal of the ever expanding console. The more storage between the front seats means narrowing the seat which is very uncomfortable for long trips.
I’ve had 2 new Pacifica’s they smoke all these. Best looking - best options - best everything. Have AWD - hybrid anything you could want. But pricey. I’ve been in them all. Pacifica no issues best hands down!!!
All manufacturers have unfortunately priced themselves out of the reach of most consumers.
Higher asking price on the Toyota and Honda kinda offsets the re sale value/reliability advantage. If my only compromise is fuel economy then for my money I’m going with the lower pricing, latest tech, modern cabin and the warranty.
I'm pleased to see you mention reliability in your videos. All the bells and whistles fade when durability and reliability are poor. Many consumers are keeping their vehicles longer and prefer a long lasting durable vehicle.
Totally agree!
Andy.....are you any relation to Wilf Boyko?
He is a good friend of mine.
@@kevin6550694 No
Sto and go seats are a must!!!
I talked to some friends that bought the Sienna, and they packed the vehicle but complained about the power out of that engine, mainly uphill. It lacks power vs. driving a v6. Plus CVT transmission lacks tons of power too.
We have a 2017 Sienna. It’s a good car for what it is for: transporting small humanoids. It’s infotainment system and GPS sucks! It only gets about 300-325 miles on a full tank.
Thanks for the informative video. I do think the PHEV Chrysler merits consideration too as it is unique in the class.
I’ve seen good reviews on the plug in Pacifica.
My stance on that is I’ll trust Chrysler with a second power source when they can fix the reliability for the main power train.
Good looking van and interesting value proposition. Just don’t trust the brand in this area.
@@blakeeaker5821 Yes, I agree. Love the concept however.
Never though I would say this.
But the Kia looks to be the best here.
Beautiful design outside and inside.
Interior looks amazing and has the best features and tech. The Japanese are lagging behind in features now. They should stop riding their reliability train and actually offer more features to their customers for the amount of money they’re asking.
I bought a 22 RAV4 XLE. Paid 44K Cad. And I feel terrible now that it has no features and barely feels like a brand new $44K vehicle. They feel so outdated and the screen looks like it belongs 10-15 years in the past. 🤦
Too Bad the Toyota dealers are trying to rip people off by charging $9,500 .00 over sticker price. This moves Toyota back to 4th place.
One thing you did not mention is how teeny tiny the tail lights are on both the Kia and Toyota. I've seen all three of these on the road, and the claw tail lights on the Honda are much more visible. At night I was looking at the van in front of me and thinking, "what kind of van has just two teeny little dots for tail lights?" Turned out to be the hybrid Sienna. I expected as much from Kia, for overlooking an important safety detail, but I was disappointed in Toyota.
I have had great experiences with both brands. I'm leaning toward the Honda because of dealer markup, lack of availability, and the second-row seating, of the Toyota. I'd like to fold the second row out of the way frequently. The Toyota's fuel economy is about .61% better, but if I have to pay $10k more for the Toyota that will buy lots of gas for years to come with the Honda.
You get some money back when you sell. You'll never get that gas money back lol
At 4 bucks a gallon that takes you to 70K miles
Don’t forget that hybrid battery can be very expensive to replace.
Fuel economy of course goes to siena but the rest goes to Odessy.The quality of Odessy is way better than siena.
I'm having to replace major components on my '16 Odyssey. Honda is not making quality anymore it seems. I've talked to many people who have issues with transmission and engine after only 5-7 years, under 100,000 miles
One biggest problem with Sienna is that you can't get it anywhere. I've placed an order and the waiting time is 2 years. Two YEARS!!!😲
This is a problem with all three. I have helped clients who waited 12 months for a Carnival.
Thats with every brand now...
Outrageous!!!
That is so true. I have been waiting for Sienna for 1 year. I will get a Honda next month
The all-new, 2023 Kia Carnival should be my best decision for an eight-passenger minivan.
If the Kia is anything like my 2021 Sedona I got brand new it'll be burning oil at 15k miles I love my van but im glad I got the extended warranty with the rental...
Honda Odyssey
My parents own an Odyssey and my aunt has a Sienna. While both have adequate amounts of space, the Sienna felt absolutely cavernous. Her model has captains chairs which make it feel even large. In terms of power, you can’t go wrong with Honda’s V6. It’s the quickest in its class.
But the stats say the odyssey is bigger.
@@thendino1 Keyword: “felt”
@@thendino1sienna is the smallest
Thanks for the review. For me I'm looking at the initial price and engine power as my priority and availability too, so I'll go with the KIA Carnival
I can manage the fuel economy.
I know this used to be the old KIA Sedona or the Hyundai Entourage and I was looking into that years ago comparing it to the Honda oddesy and Toyota sienna and I would have gotten more bang for my buck at that time too. Glad to see KIA is still continuing to this day.
Thank you again, I really appreciate your review a lot
I just bought a 23 Kia Carnival. I love the interior, it rides very smooth. For 740 miles I used 24 gallons of fuel. I love it also because it doesn't look like it's a minivan, it looks more like am SUV. I guess I'll have to see if it's going to last a long time without problems, but so far I'm happy with it.
I am so torn between the Toyota and Honda. I ruled out Chrysler because it is just too unreliable. I can't take the chance of breaking down while traveling. Although, if it was reliable I 100% would put this at the top of the list above all the others. It drives pretty quickly, no drag, it is very quiet, and very comfortable. . It is a nice ride, has great features, and it is plug in Hybrid which I think is the best type of hybrid to have. It allows you to go all electric no gas. The Carnival is pretty cool and by far has the best dashboard and features. The TV's are awesome. However, the seats are not comfortable at all, and in the end that is really really important, especially for bumpy rides. They feel like cheap airplane seats, hard with no give. Not comfortable at all for long distance driving. Toyota is better looking than the Honda, but it really is so slow, and when you need to pass a car are accelerate to get on the highway that is a big drawback, but the fuel economy and the look is superior to the Honda. The Honda, although not the prettiest minivan, has everything you need, fast, handles well. Good features comfortable, but does not come in AWD. These things make it very hard to decide between to the two. I wish they offered heated steering on the lower end models. You have to get the top model just to get that feature.
Don't get any brand(Toyota, Honda, Ford, Chevy, etc) with turbos (TURBO IS BAD). Certain Honda model & year have oil dilution. I've own a Sentra, Tacoma pickup, Fit, CRV. Can't go wrong with either. I prefer Honda over Toyota because of the interior feel.
Hi, it is sad that there are only 4 choices for a family van, and only two have AWD available. KIA Carnival is great, but it lack AWD option like Odyssey. Sienna AWD is my choice, but wished HP bump to at least 280+hp. 245hp in 2022 for a 7-8 passengers van kinda going backward.
The Toyota and Honda or the best Minivans and I love them
I've always loved Toyota Sienna. So I believe that is the one that l will buy. Thanks
Only could wish that the Sienna started at 35k like the website says but my dealer is selling it for 40k for base model which makes the Odyssey and Carnival cheaper
Call other dealers! I had Toyo dealers marking up MSRP from 3-10k but found one that didn't mark it up if you financed through Toyota.
considering that Kia's engines are only 100k motors, I wouldn't have put it on the list, Hondas nice however the engine is a time belt vs chain which req changing at 100k which runs you about 1200 for replacement so if you are looking to keep it for many 100k miles like i plan on its about 3600. as far as the sienna the only down side is the hybrid motor and batt, now from what i have looked into its the same motor and battery that you find in the Prius, camery, etc. however depending on what your driving habits are you can get 150k to 300k out of it. the good side to that is the avg replacement cost is around 2500 which is far less than the maintenance of the Honda. so for me and my family we are staying away from the kia line up, just to many engine issues and will be looking more towards Toyota.
Like that you mention that second row seats on Toyota can't be taken out. I take out my Odyssey second row seats for more space to carry. Wish all vehicle could take out extra seats when not needed.
I was very disappointed that Toyota did not make a removable 2nd row seat in their hybrid. I have a 2013 sienna and I take out the 2nd row when I don't need them. It helps lighten the car and give better mileage. That's a major reason I didn't buy the new one. Also I don't like the gaping mouth look.
People that convert minivans into campers have discovered how to remove the second row seats. The problem is the airbag sensor needs to be bypassed and you can buy a small gizmo to plug into the wire to trick the Sienna into thinking the seats are still there. That’s all done with the battery disconnected.
It’s not easy and not something to do regularly.
i am seeing this again, i have crown xle, my wife like a rav4 or sienna, so i am going for sienna, your presentation is the best, you drive and talk. other's i mean many are boring. as we like to see cars and drive not the guys who talk.
Reasons to buy a minivan:
1) Cargo room. Sienna lacks of easy removal 2rd row
2) Over 30 mpg. Odessy and Carnival don’t meet
3) Reliability over 100K mile . Pacifica don’t have
This is not completely true: 2020 odyssey can do 30mpg highway.
very good video
AWD Hybrid Sienna for the win. Huge miss by the others for not having AWD and hybrid choice.
The Kia Carnival is a vehicle that a man will not be embarrassed to drive. It looks the best of them all.
No … we’d be embarrassed
💯 Can't wait to get one, much more exciting than other two. Been driving with Toyotas for a long time and the drive is terrible. Carnival was lovely to test drive, much more power and smoothness + the exterior/interior/features completely outclassed the other two. Has longer basic warranty than Toyota and Honda, so we should be able to keep the car in great shape for longer.
Hahah, that’s soo true.
👍😎👍
A man would worry about the reliability.
That’s true lol but as long as your minivan is black with tinted windows, you should be good lol
Just my 2 cents, and they're just my opinion, I think KIA got way to bad of a rap for just a few minor things. One, awd is NOT necessary for a minivan, front wheel drive with good snow tires will literally plow snow with the front bumper, and is actually very good for snow, (front wheels pull, keeping you from getting loose and losing control). I'd also argue that the average minivan driver probably shouldn't be driving if FWD is not capable of moving the car. All AWD is going to do for most people in the snow is get them in trouble. I drive truck over the road. In the winter, it's the AWD cars that are smashing into the backs of people. AWD only helps go, not stop. Also, the resale doesn't matter. So you get 8k less on the back end, you spent 8k less on the front. It's a wash. I think the fact KIA blows the others out of the water in features, comfort, technology, and innovation, not to mention it just looks 10 times better, puts it in front. I'd say the biggest negative is fuel mileage, but that wouldn't knock it out of first in my book. "Reputation" doesn't keep a vehicle out of the shop, sure it helps the resale, but as stated, it's cheaper on the front end.
Which one is the best for safety ?
Toyota is a very reliable vehicle and has the best resale value but it lacks features.
I have the 2022 odyssey and we love it. We had tested the sienna but the interior felt very cheap compared to the odyssey , plus the fact that if does not come with spare tire that was a deal braker. So we ended buying the odyssey touring 😊.
Same sentiments but glad i went with the sienna. Just installed a spare tire compartment and spare for less than $500. Enjoying the 37mpg BTW. 👨🏻💻👍🏼
My mom's '21 Sienna Platinum is VERY luxurious compared to the odyssey on the inside. Heated and ventilated seats, tons of leather and quality, all the good stuff. And 36mpg, cant go wrong.
@@twopointoooh , the interior quality is not better than the odyssey elite trim , I will agree that mpg is perfect on sienna, trust me I wanted the sienna so bad, but at the time there were no sienna platinum available with the spare tire option. I’m still happy with my Odyssey, I would say that for both siennas and odyssey they should include outside video cámaras like the teslas.
@@juanr.3314 Have you seen the platinum trim Sienna? It was a limited edition top trim
@@twopointoooh yes I have and tested 2022 platinum trim as well. Honestly the sienna overall will always be better than the odyssey unless Honda steps up with a hybrid version with better mpg.
I'm trading in my 2018 Chysler Pacifica and getting on the waitlist (2-6 months) for a 2023 Toyota Sienna. My Pacifica has had too many weird problems which include touch screen freezing/not responsive, broken electronic brake valves, and most recently shifter/transmission issues where I cannot shift it into park. Buh-bye 18mpg Pacifica and hello 36mpg Sienna!
The 2021 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid is a contender with the updated Uconnect 5 and 80+ EPG
@@HieuHoang-py8oe have a friend that had the Pacifica hybrid. Traded it for a sienna because they got tired of it breaking down
Damn only 2 to 6 months? It's 3 years in Canada.
I’ll keep my Honda
Good luck finding a Sienna. Dealers are selling for $5k-20k over MSRP. None on lots. I purchased my 2023 Odyssey for $3k below MSRP. Toyota is shooting themselves in the foot with their production issues.
I would go with the Kia! The Toyota looks appealing with the fuel savings but not with the 4 cylinder engine. If you have a vehicle that large with 6 adults and gear or towing a trailer, you want that V6 pulling with no problems! Dodge killed the mini van, mass produced with cheap parts, it never left them and has carried on through the years. Maybe the Pacifica anc pull through and come back out on top...hard when the dealerships or used car lots give people nothing on a trade in but soak them on resale price of a used vehicle. Good video! Glad you talked about the towing capicity, I am always looking for that.
The Siennas in my area are selling literally for $10k over MSRP. And they have waiting lists. I want to replace my dying Sienna with a new one cause I have loved my Sienna to literal pieces, but the stress and the expense... just don't think it's gonna happen this time.
I’m on my 4th odyssey over like 30 years, tested others and still picked odyssey.
If Honda would have brought the hybrid system to north America (as it has been a thing in Japan for a while now) the Odyssey would have probably won IMO. Odyssey is still more comfortable, lower center of gravity which makes the driving experience nicer and looks cooler. And for any nerds out there, Yes I know the Japanese Odyssey is slightly smaller and less powerful so it won't have the towing capacity of a V6 but Japan doesn't have a Sienna equivalent anymore either since the Noah, Voxy and Sienta are the slightly smaller and Japanese Odyssey equivalent. Anyway, too bad they Discontinued the Japanese Odyssey. Rumors are that when the facilities are built, there will be an Odyssey successor which will be larger than the Japanese Odyssey so I have my fingers crossed that whatever the name is, it will come the states as the next gen Odyssey. I will assume it will be an HEV or PHEV with AWD option similar to the US Sienna. If the Honda ZR-V is a hint to what Honda will be doing in the future, I'm excited. On a side note, I really like the Kia Carnival and almost bought one but Kia and Hyundai (at least where I live) have the worst post purchase service and they can't seem to stay in business. Either I see the dealership with new ownership or one dealership dies and a few months later, a new one pops up at a different location. Even my friend who currently works at VW used to work for KIA and told me that If i buy one, i better hope I have no issues or else it will be a nightmare getting the car serviced. If it doesn't have issues, the cars are great!
Great review. I do have to disagree about the Pacifica only because we’ve owned 2 now (2018 & 2020). The stow-n-go 2nd & 3rd rows are hands down the best feature for our family. We’re a road-tripping family so the cargo space, overall ride comfort, and rear individual screens have been great during 1-2 week vacations. I will say that our 2018 did experience some transmission “jumping" early on but the dealership got that fixed. The real issue with Chrysler is availability! I was rear ended in our 2018 and due to major parts delays/shortages, it was claimed totaled, which then put us into a major bind getting a new one. Most dealerships had- and still have- a 4 to 6 month wait on orders and NO options in stock. Not to mention Chrysler has reduced interior color options down to Black or Caramel if you opt for the highest Pinnacle trim. We were lucky to find the used 2020 in another state. But if you have the buying flexibility of time and limited interior colors, I do think they are worth the wait.
I don't like how you can't slide the seats in the Chrysler cars. Sometimes you wanna use all seats, but adjust the 2nd row. They are fixed.
@@remyd8767 that's the only thing I agree as a negative. Other than that best minivan out there.
About to trade my 2020 for a 2022 or 2023 Pinnacle. Maybe Toyota lasts longer, but for people that don't keep cars for 37+ years, the Pacifica is by far my fave.
Dude changed vehicle 2 years in (first of which had transmission issues from the factory lmao) and wants to tell us about reliable vehicles. No shit the domestics are cushier that's cuz they throw everything in there with no consideration for longevity.
@@georgerafa5041 I don’t care about 10+ reliable vehicle but i have my Chrysler Pacifica hybrid without major issues at 175000 mi
I own a 2018 Honda odyssey and I'm having all kinds of trouble with it. collision mitigation systems brakes the car to a complete grinding stop out of nowhere, especially 3 way intersections and with the acceleration delay issue which together have been a subject of lawsuits, it's down right a safety hazard to drive. To name a few minor issues is battery drain, buggiest side door in the industry and the electrical wiring issues. I sometimes don't get any audio with an error message saying no audio connected. When I do have audio, it's too staticky to listen to anything. I'm currently working with a lemon lawyer to get have Honda issue a full refund.
Have your Odyssey check. I have 20 EXL, before my infotainment was so bad that I am ready to trade it in but after I took it for service for the said MOst net Off and the popping sounds. Now it is working good. The guy said a loose connection that needed to be crimped. Took them 6 hrs to finish it.
Stay away from 2018
Toyota should have a Sienna Prime PHEV just like the RAV 4 Prime over 300 hp & 60 km range.
We were about to buy a Carnival until I realized there is no TV screen for the third row. We have little kids and could see this being a huge issue on road trips. I love the Sienna but the 4cyl has be concerned with lack of power. I like the 6cyl in the Odyssey but I think the van in general needs an update.
I believe you can add the 2 rear entertainment system in US, not sure if in Canada is available, also is a downside for us but I don’t think is a deal breaker.
Imagine having to drive somewhere and not having a screen in your face to constantly entertain you! 🙄
@@daltonrandall4348 you must not have kids or go on road trips. Imagine paying $50k+ for a van and not getting everything you desire.
@@dcfrank9326 If you have kids, put them in the second row. If you have more than will fit, then it's a good indicator that you've had too many. I love going on road trips, because I can look outside and see all of the amazing places that exist out there. That was the entire point of my comment.
@@daltonrandall4348 You clearly don't have small kids. If you think that an 8 year old is going to be content looking out the window on a 6 hour road trip, you're out of your mind. I understand the point of your comment, but you can always count on stupidity with TH-cam comments. Case and point, "it's a good indicator that you've had too many". What a moronic thing to say.
The Honda V6 engine requires timing belt replacement which will cost $2000.
Unless you do it yourself for under $500 in parts. Changing a timing belt is time consuming, but not rocket science.
Toyota Siena 2023 model wait time is close to 8-10 months. If you are really in the market for a mini-van, then the options are Odyssey and Carnival.
They are all good looking. Top reliability n fuel economy win for me
Don't get me wrong - Your review is based on materials found on internet and specs, not based on your actual driving experience of these minivans.
How much does my down payment needs to be in order to car payments under $350 a month for 2023 Toyota Seinna? If I buy a 2021 Sienna what features does the vehicle lack compared to the 2023? When looking at used Seinnas, how do I determine what is good mileage for price? Thank you
What about the Pacifica?
Sienna for the win! Reliability is my number one priority. I have a 2011 Sienna it's one of the best vehicles I've owned.
hope some day there will be some in stock.
Removing the 2nd row seats is a deal-breaker for us; we do it all the time. That rules out the Sienna. Had a 2004 Sienna - loved it; currently have a 2015 Odyssey and love it even more. And it looks like it will be another Ody for us when the time comes.
Can you remove the second row seats on an older model Sienna?
@@christinakosier5474 Yep - we had them out of our 2004 all the time. They were a bit heavy but getting them out was straightforward.
(they'll also come out on the 2011-2020 vans, but a part of the base remains, so it's not totally flat. Not sure if they come out on the 1998-2003 vans)
@ronward1229 thank you so much for answering me. One more question please. If I do choose the Sienna over an Odyssey, do you have a particular year to recommend? I can purchase a Sienna 2015 or older. Thank you so much.
@@christinakosier5474 In my opinion, getting one that's taken care of is more important than the model year. Hard to go wrong with any well-maintained Sienna or Odyssey.
@@ronward1229 makes perfect sense. Thank you so much.
Sienna ice (2019) is the way to go
I think I’m in love 🥰 , can a person with a class D license own one of these of they need a CDL?
I live in the Pacific Northwest I need AWD hybrid. Going to buy a Toyota Sienna XLE
I don't care about second row seats that come out. They're probably heavy and where am I going to put them. My concern is safety reliability and can I get on to the turnpike in Pennsylvania without any issues.