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Just purchased a carnival sx a month ago. One of the most comfortable rides ever along with it will turn on a dime and once you put ceramic tint on the windows you will be 10 degrees cooler giving you a great ride. Carnival has great pull while getting on the freeways and is excellent on gas. I was able also to fit three car seats in the third row side by side!
@@Lacasadeblacks it’s a bit tricky the slimmer car seat models fit better but all in all after 15 mins I was able to secure them correctly. Trunk space can fit two small filing cabinets side by side it’s extremely large.
After watching this video, I’m definitely choosing the Kia Carnival for my next family vehicle. I have been a Toyota customer for well over a decade owning 5 sedans from Yaris to Camry until I got married started having a family. I currently own my first Kia, which is a Sorento, and has been great. But with our growing family, the Carnival will definitely be my wife and I’s next choice. Thank you for helping in the decision.
Sienna is the king of Minivans. I have 2013 XLE with 185K miles. Apart from routine $100 jiffy lube (plus tire changes), just gas and go. The peace of mind factor is priceless!
@Ka-IankI took care of my 2011 Chrysler Town and Country Limited. 57,000 miles, kept in garage, it’s completely fallen apart. Just got new alternator, now the transmission is going, it’s misfiring on a cylinder, total mess!
My 2021 Sienna XLE 8pass is essentially similar I get 41mpg when driving locally and under 50mph. At 55mph we get 39mpg. When cruising long distance at 65mph we get 32-36mpg. At 70 and up 29-32mpg. 18gal tank. We have 215,000 miles trouble free
Appreciate the timely review. Our Carnival arrived in the US and now we await it's trip to the Midwest to arrive at the dealer. The price, warranty and availability made our decision easier.
Have been researching both vehicles. We will be putting 20,000+ miles per year on whatever we buy (a third of that touring Canada and Alaska) so the mileage is pushing us to the Sienna. We currently have a 2016 Prius and a 2015 Tundra so we are pretty sold on the reliability and value retention metrics. Great review guys!
2024 Carnival SX Prestige w/Recliners in the back.. WOW!.. The KING of Minivans.. Toyota don't have this, but will have to catch up. The Driver's Aids, the Smoothness, the Torque just off idle.. I'm getting 25/28 MPG using 93. You should try the good gas.. amazing difference. I gain an O.D. gear on cruise control at 85, and another 3 MPG. Might not be worth the additional cost to you.
@@ASD-DAD the Honda with its V6 is a better driver’s car than the Kia, although it isn’t featured in this video. The Kia wins with looks - for some people at least… but the Honda flat out beats the Kia for both space/comfort and power delivery.
Great review! I like your point system! I understand that 2024 Carnival has Plug in Hybrid, a big advantage for short distance daily drivers! Also, it is going to be available as Hybrid with turbo power train 2025!
I want a minivan back with a traditional column shifter option and where one can still climb into the rear seats to attend to the kids without having to get out of the van in the rain and snow. I want a mini-van with less clap trap features that I never wanted or asked for. I don't like when modern tastes in visual appeal take away from useful and efficient functionality that makes owning a mini-van so sensible and practical. I like a van to be a van and not a van trying to identify as a car. I guess I'm just a fan of older designs. Cars today are WAY over-priced and full of features you don't need to get the job done. Whatever happened to an affordable vehicle that every day middle class consumers can afford without breaking the bank.
I'm probably a few years away from getting a mini van, but let me know if you find such a unicorn. Less things to break, and easier to fix if it does. I don't care if the kids get a big screen in the back with wifi, they're not paying for it, and we're probably not going on many road trips.
What happened? Consumer preference change, regulators forced the implementation of these expensive "safety" gadgets, inflation, supply chain issues... This is why I keep maintaining my pre-2011 vehicles. They are built better and have less to go wrong.
I own the Carnival and it is an amazingly comfortable vehicle on long drives. On the road, I get 28-30 mpg. At that rate, the Sienna would take a long time to make up for the cost of fuel difference. Add the additional cost of the hybrid and unless you plan on driving it until the wheels turn square, the Kia is the best value proposition hands down.
It's also more complex. Which means difficult to diagnose and expensive to repair. Toyota (and Honda) aren't nearly as reliable as they were even just ten years ago. I love my Prius but it's a nightmare to fix. I'd go with the Kia just because it's simple.
HERE IS YOUR RELIBILITY👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌👌 Recent mass Toyota recall due to air bag issues NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) reached a settlement potentially worth $150 million to resolve U.S. class-action litigation tied to recalls of about 3.36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles whose defective fuel pumps could cause engines to stall. A preliminary settlement was filed on Wednesday night in federal court in Brooklyn. It requires a judge's approval. The settlement covers owners and lessees of dozens of Toyota and Lexus vehicle models manufactured in the 2013 to 2020 model years and equipped with Denso low-pressure fuel pumps.
If you are old style and keep cars for 15 years.. then toyota. If it's only till 5 years, then choose the exciting one. Life is too short to drive boring vehicles
Carnival's real world MPG is much better than the EPA estimate in my experience. My family rented a Carnival and got 30 MPG on the highway driving 1300 miles
The reason that your sx prestige did not have the executive seats is because they are now doing the 8 seat set up standard and allowing customers to change it if they want it. More customers want 8 seats versus the reclining seats.
I won't talk about the trouble I've had with Kia and 2 Hyundais (although the Kia made it to 165,000 miles before the motor self destructed). Our 2021 Sienna XSE AWD has been great and gets a solid 35 non-winter non-freeway mpg. My problem with Toyota right now is the 21 months we have waited (as of today) for our next SIENNA XSE AWD !
Have you seen the trouble many Toyota owners are having by Toyota manipulating and safety and performance data of millinos of their cars? Google it. Have you noticed the recent massive Toyota recalls? You forgot entire families died due to Toyota Sticky pedal while back? There is your Toyota reputation and reliability.
Carnival is cooler and has better tech and interior quality. However, Sienna has AWD, significantly better gas mileage, and potentially depreciates less. I drove a Sienna AWD Platinum last week and it appeared to have the same wheels and they were not hub caps. Does anyone else know if the platinum awd trim has hub caps in some areas or countries?
I bought a Kia Carnival. Test drove the Sienna, Odyssey, Pacifica and the Carnival. Kia was the hands down winner. especially with the longer warranty. The Sienna was nice but underpowered in my opinion. Gas mileage was not a big concern for me. Had it for two months and love it!
I looked at both vehicles 2 years ago. I fell in love with the carnival but my mind went with the sienna. I'm in California with $4+ gas. The carnival would be a killer every time I'd have to gas up.
Almost every Kia Carnival SX Prestige model I've seen online and in person has rear seat entertainment (mounted tablets behind both front seats) for the 2nd row
I had the AWD version with 18" wheels... I can imagine the FWD models with 20" wheels are worse! I didn't have an XSE to test drive beforehand, but I had a sienna LE rental and I liked it. I didn't think the XSE would be THAT much stiffer... well, it is folks. Find a way to go for a test drive. the XSE also does not have the acoustic glass or sound deadening, so with the stiffer suspension I feel that it transfers more noise into the cabin. the suspension is just overkill for a minivan.
We went from sienna to kia, reason being we live at 6000ft and travel thousands of feet up and down and losing 60hp in the sienna wasn't something we wanted. Going 0 to 60 is great but traveling from Phoenix to Flagstaff is a better test and the sienna suffers.
@@DesertRox fair call - just curious - didn’t the Honda (not featured in this video) appeal? ..with its magic V6 and 10-speed gearbox it simply lays the Kia to rest.
Me and my wife were in the market for a vehicle. I insisted we needed a mini van as we have 2 middle school kids, a 2 year old, and a baby on the way. She dreads of the fact that she will be driving a van as i take the old beat up hoopty to work. When she saw the kia carnival she fell in love. We got the comfort and features of a van but drive and feel of a SUV.
I LOVE minivans and I’m a Toyota fanboy. (Land Cruiser dream car) but the first like, luxury, “swagger wagon” as u put it, minivan, to me… is the Chrysler Pacifica or voyager or whatever they call it.
@carconfection, did I miss it or did you fail to mention the Surround View camera system in the Carnival Prestige SX? Maybe it's what you called Blind View? Although the Carnival isn't much longer than my prior van, the extra foot of width can be trickier in tight parking spots.
The Sienna is AWD and the Carnival is only FWD. If you live where there are often chain controls the Sienna is the better option, unless you would rather put chains on.
KIA looks Mature, Elegant and even stout. The Toyota looks adolescent and has has too many Sharp points which makes it way too aggressive for a Family Minivan. Looking forward to the Hybrid KIA Carnival.
Prefer the newer facelifted Kia Carnival. looks like the facelift is going to also introduce a hybrid in the US too. that would be a much better comparison with the sienna.
Great video - and excellent comparison so far …I’ve just reached the part where you’re road testing the cars. Believe this or not - I timed your acceleration with a stopwatch just now. Not once, but thrice - and every time the Toyota (9.2xx seconds) is faster than the Kia (9.7xx seconds) - by around a quarter of a second. I’m guessing this is a result of the instant torque from the rear hybrid motor that more than makes up for the smaller petrol engine. I couldn’t believe my eyes - because the Kia _sounds faster_ with that lovely V6 roar as it moves through its gears while the Toyota sounds whiny and unimpressive with its CVT droning away. Nevertheless the Toyota wins on that count as far as I can see. I’m looking to get a minivan in the next 6 months …and chances are it’ll be a Sienna - the safety-net of the AWD system is attractive although it’ll cost a little more upfront. Also, if it’s pure acceleration and driving oomph you want, the Honda Odyssey is way faster than both the Toyota and Kia. Enjoying your comparison video - thanks!
@@zayns_the_mane5066 I live in an area of aggressive drivers and some short freeway / tollway entry ramps. I had decent acceleration with my V6 Sienna, but have concerns about a 4 cylinder moving a vehicle of this weight with enough oomph. I don't want to feel like I'm pulling a Fred Flintstone as I did with the Corolla I hated when I moved to this area.
You must not live in an area with short entry ramps as you try to merge onto a road with a (largely ignored) 70 mph speed limit. My old Sienna was OK with its 6 cylinder, but 4 cylinders in a vehicle that heavy could be sketchy.
why nobody tell if the second row seats are removable?? I am working on minivan as a contractor I have caravan now and we are removing the seats for work so its is important for as to know about this the options in minivans
They both have 3rd row stow and go, Kia I believe the middle seats can be removed easily, sienna is a pain and requires turning off air bag sensors last I knew. 😅 I am wanting to KNOW for certain the same question.
You can double check the specs at Kia America, but at least for the 2024 Carnival, I'm quite confident the middle row seats can be removed in the LX, EX, & SX, but NOT the top-of-the-line Prestige SX. You should be able to find videos showing how easily the seats are removed in the lower trim levels. As noted earlier, it's a challenge with the Sienna.
Was first looking for a sienna but the prices were outrageous. Even the older and high mile siennas were selling higher priced than other vans with less miles. I know that toyota is reliable but the mark up is due to high demand. The transmission may be 200k+ and still running but everything else in the vehicle is going out. Engine is leaking oil. Doors auto locks not locking right. Window motor going out. Car stereo not responding to buttons, etc. The the repairs become frequent as everything in the vehicle is passed its expiration date. If i cant go on a road trip with a peace of mind, a new or semi new car would be more reliable in that point.
At what cost to get Hybrid? Lethargic 4 cyl, CVT....loud engine? You are buying a $56K van. And you actually care about gas? Wow. That's laughable. I can afford $5 gas. what I can afford is power when I need it.
$7500 is a lot of difference, hard to argue against the advantage, but giving the Kia 3.5 points for that seem excessive, especially after you self admitted that resell value of a Sienna is much better. Most of that additional cost would be the hybrid system, with the Carnival MVP hybrid coming out for 2025, I think it might be a good follow-up comparison. Good Video, but my daughter (new mother) is looking for a new car and she asked about the Kia and in general I told her that I recommend a Toyota, because 3-4 years from now, the Toyota will drive like day 1, the Kia brand (while much improved) has had a history of issues. I might be a little bias because I have had 2 Sienna, a 2005 that had 300,000 miles when I gave it to my daughter to drive home to Texas from Maryland and had no apprehension about it making it. My wife and I currently have a 2017 with 130,000 and it drives the same as the day we bought it.....
Cool review. I honestly would have given the Toyota reliability at least 3 points since stats say the Kia will not be worth the price after 5yrs where you either have to get a new one or pay to up keep. Plus the hybrid has savings should have offset the price of the Kia vs Sienna. Eventually the Sienna would be cheaper on just these 2 things alone. I don't think people who buy minis will be wanting a new one every 5 years.
Have you checked what your local Toyota dealer is tacking on as a "market adjustment" aka price gouging compared to Kia dealers? Also, mandatory "VIP" add-ons? The ~$7,000 price difference may well be another $5,000-$7,000 or more to get the Sienna.
Are Siennas available at MSRP in your area? At least earlier this year, the "market adjustments" were wicked here. Also, be sure to check if the dealers are forcing you to buy exprnsive mandatory "VIP" add-ons that you don't want. Some Kia dealers were adding the packages, too, but for far less.
I wish like the drivers seat that all seats in front and rear row were fully adjustable up and down and heated also i wish the second and first row could swivel out to allow passengers to sit facing out while entering and exiting and raise and lower for easier entrance and exit also hybid mode battery should last 10miles not 1mile in traffic. A better road noise insullation package also should be offered. A plug in hybrid should be offered for trips under 150miles.
Depends on the model you get with KIA. With the SX models in the US, the front passenger seat has power adjustments, including power forward and backward and leaning buttons on the inside of the seat back so the driver can adjust the seat.
Nice review and well done. I appreciate your points system and how you weighed things out. That said my money goes to Toyota due to AWD, reliability (brand reputation), and resale.
Sienna looks like a cheaper option in the long run. By 100K miles it will be already $8K more for gas expenses (in current prices) in the case of Carnival. Plus 2 years of free maintenance, reliability, and higher resale value for Sienna.
The only use case i have for a minivan, and why we purchased a Sienna is because our child kicks, and in a sienna you can push the seat to a point where he cannot kick the front passenger or driver seat. This feature is not available in any other car sold in the US. Every Sienna review i have seen does not talk about this feature and use case.
I thought I was eccentric needing a removable middle row to accommodate multiple large dog crates & all the paraphernalia to travel to obedience trials or dog shows, but the kicking kiddo is something I wouldn't have considered. I can see how that would avoid conflict. (I don't think the middle seats will come out in the Prestige SX, but will in lower trims.)
I think that you guys missed on the price evaluation grade evaluation.. Yes you graded price and factored in fuel efficiency but I think the differences are more significant. if you keep your cars for 10 years with 150k of use with 60% city and 40% highway with the average price of gas being $3.62 (something we can't count on), it would cost $26G for the Kia and 15G for the Sienna (rounded numbers). That is a chunk of change. I plan on doing 250K miles with a ratio of 80\20% so my savings would not be $10 grand but rather $12 G. Add Toyota reliability and a tried and tested hybrid technology over the last 2 decades and I know which van I'm looking at. Thanks for a sound analysis for the most part.
How much is the "market adjustment" at your Toyota dealer vs. the Kia dealer? Maybe my market was different, but I got a Kia at MSRP and no fake mandatory VIP packages. Otherwise, I probably would have traded my 2009 Sienna in on a new Sienna. Also, I'm now a low-mileage driver so the fuel savings isn't a major factor for me & I like the oomph of the V6 since drivers are extremely aggressive in my area.
Oh, the age-old debate: Toyota vs Kia! Both car brands have their own unique qualities and offerings. Toyota is known for its reliability, fuel efficiency, and resale value. On the other hand, Kia has been making strides with stylish designs, advanced technology, and competitive pricing. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and what you prioritize in a car. Do you have any specific models in mind? Let's dive deeper into the comparison! 🚗💨
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The cost difference will be made up with major repairs on the carnival out of warranty. Add resale to boot. 3.5 points for the price difference is dumb imo. If you buy new and drive into the ground the price difference is gone if you have to replace a transmission for instance on the carnival
I love my 2024 Sienna XSE. I’m getting 39.4 mpg in winter. Yes in winter. ☝️Love the sporty look, memory seats, etc. Ofcourse, Toyota is best known for reliability. I would recommend Sienna.
Reliability? google recent Toyota admitting manipulating for more than 30 years safety and performance data of their cars lying to customers, there is your toyota reputation and reliability,
@@andresmattos7541 I've owned Toyota vehicles, including SUVs and currently drive a minivan, without encountering any issues, just like my family in Japan. What vehicle do you drive?
Actual cost of ownership will be less in the Sienna. Consider purchase price and then resale value. Kia will be cheaper to buy but will not hold its value. Add in fuel and the cost is settled. Having just sold a 2011 Sienna and waiting for our 2024 to arrive, it is quite apparent that the Sienna will continue to be the winner long term. People line up to buy the used ones. Assuming 10k miles a year the Sienna will save you over $3300 a year. 2011 Kia Sedona $5000 2011 Sienna $15000 Kia has come a long way though. I find your points system too subjective (.5 for awd?) and award you no points.
One thing I noticed on car reviews of Hyundai's or kias they always say it doesn't have wireless hookup. It does, they just don't know how to use it. I own 2 Hyundai's and 2 kias and I have wireless hookups on all my cars.
13 mpg difference for the sienna should definitely give it more than one point. That is an extreme difference in gas mileage and fuel savings over time especially with today's fuel prices. Maybe you should have awarded a half point per extra mile per gallon to be fair.
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What happened to Toyota manipulating quality control and deceiving consumers for 34 years?
Just purchased a carnival sx a month ago. One of the most comfortable rides ever along with it will turn on a dime and once you put ceramic tint on the windows you will be 10 degrees cooler giving you a great ride. Carnival has great pull while getting on the freeways and is excellent on gas. I was able also to fit three car seats in the third row side by side!
Thank you so much for this comment!! This is exactly what I need - 3 car seats in the third row.
@@Lacasadeblacks it’s a bit tricky the slimmer car seat models fit better but all in all after 15 mins I was able to secure them correctly. Trunk space can fit two small filing cabinets side by side it’s extremely large.
After watching this video, I’m definitely choosing the Kia Carnival for my next family vehicle. I have been a Toyota customer for well over a decade owning 5 sedans from Yaris to Camry until I got married started having a family. I currently own my first Kia, which is a Sorento, and has been great. But with our growing family, the Carnival will definitely be my wife and I’s next choice. Thank you for helping in the decision.
Love the Carnival for SUV looks and less money up front.
Great job guys!!
Sienna is the king of Minivans. I have 2013 XLE with 185K miles. Apart from routine $100 jiffy lube (plus tire changes), just gas and go. The peace of mind factor is priceless!
We are living in 2024.
@@tomsmith8547 I know. I also own a 2024 vehicle - on my channel - but thanks for the reminder! 🙏🏽
@@tomsmith8547I live in 1999, too scared of Y2K
@@tomsmith8547idiot
@Ka-IankI took care of my 2011 Chrysler Town and Country Limited. 57,000 miles, kept in garage, it’s completely fallen apart. Just got new alternator, now the transmission is going, it’s misfiring on a cylinder, total mess!
You forgot to mention one of the most important difference, highway assistant. Lane centering is awesome in Hyundai and Kias
Got my new XLE Sienna with the same color last week after 14 months on the waiting list.
It’s worth the waiting time.
Did you get stuck paying an extra premium, given Toyota's bizarre refusal to make enough vehicles?
I can't imagine putting myself on a waiting list for a minivan. lol
Came here to say this! Imagine waiting 14 months for a mini van 🤣
@@nodak81
waiting for a f Toyota no way... I won't even wait for a BMW.
Waiting that long for a more expensive, shittier, uglier van than the carnival
My 2021 Sienna XLE 8pass is essentially similar I get 41mpg when driving locally and under 50mph. At 55mph we get 39mpg. When cruising long distance at 65mph we get 32-36mpg. At 70 and up 29-32mpg. 18gal tank. We have 215,000 miles trouble free
How the heck did you put that much mileage in just a couple of years?
215K?? R u driving uber on it??
@@TheWankyDankDriving alot? U can't put mileage without driving. 😂😂✌️✌️✌️
Appreciate the timely review. Our Carnival arrived in the US and now we await it's trip to the Midwest to arrive at the dealer. The price, warranty and availability made our decision easier.
Have been researching both vehicles. We will be putting 20,000+ miles per year on whatever we buy (a third of that touring Canada and Alaska) so the mileage is pushing us to the Sienna. We currently have a 2016 Prius and a 2015 Tundra so we are pretty sold on the reliability and value retention metrics. Great review guys!
2024 Carnival SX Prestige w/Recliners in the back.. WOW!.. The KING of Minivans.. Toyota don't have this, but will have to catch up. The Driver's Aids, the Smoothness, the Torque just off idle.. I'm getting 25/28 MPG using 93. You should try the good gas.. amazing difference. I gain an O.D. gear on cruise control at 85, and another 3 MPG. Might not be worth the additional cost to you.
Need a rematch when the Carnival Hybrid comes out!
Yes waiting for this as well!
2025 Kia carnival is my dream vehicle that I'll be purchasing in the next few months when the hybrid drops. Can't wait.
My $ goes to Carnival, $8K difference is not small, almost 20% less than the Sienna. Besides, a car this big, I like a V6 better than a 4 cylinder.
@@ASD-DAD the Honda with its V6 is a better driver’s car than the Kia, although it isn’t featured in this video. The Kia wins with looks - for some people at least… but the Honda flat out beats the Kia for both space/comfort and power delivery.
@@dumdumbrown4225Honda has space. Comfort and power goes to carnival. The carnival produces more power
Great review! I like your point system! I understand that 2024 Carnival has Plug in Hybrid, a big advantage for short distance daily drivers! Also, it is going to be available as Hybrid with turbo power train 2025!
I want a minivan back with a traditional column shifter option and where one can still climb into the rear seats to attend to the kids without having to get out of the van in the rain and snow. I want a mini-van with less clap trap features that I never wanted or asked for. I don't like when modern tastes in visual appeal take away from useful and efficient functionality that makes owning a mini-van so sensible and practical. I like a van to be a van and not a van trying to identify as a car. I guess I'm just a fan of older designs. Cars today are WAY over-priced and full of features you don't need to get the job done. Whatever happened to an affordable vehicle that every day middle class consumers can afford without breaking the bank.
I agree!!!
I'm probably a few years away from getting a mini van, but let me know if you find such a unicorn. Less things to break, and easier to fix if it does. I don't care if the kids get a big screen in the back with wifi, they're not paying for it, and we're probably not going on many road trips.
What happened? Consumer preference change, regulators forced the implementation of these expensive "safety" gadgets, inflation, supply chain issues...
This is why I keep maintaining my pre-2011 vehicles. They are built better and have less to go wrong.
I will always miss my Previa! Best interior ever.
I own the Carnival and it is an amazingly comfortable vehicle on long drives. On the road, I get 28-30 mpg. At that rate, the Sienna would take a long time to make up for the cost of fuel difference. Add the additional cost of the hybrid and unless you plan on driving it until the wheels turn square, the Kia is the best value proposition hands down.
I own a 2021 sienna xse hybrid awd and I love it. I get 36-40 mpg and it's awd.
People who buy Kia or Hyundai just don't understand, that Korean vehicle is still not as good as Japanese)))
You gave a 0.5 of a point to the sienna because your model had the backseat entertainment? I thought you said both had it available?
I would choose Toyota Sienna because it's legendary name and most importantly it's Toyota. reliability is number one
It's also more complex. Which means difficult to diagnose and expensive to repair. Toyota (and Honda) aren't nearly as reliable as they were even just ten years ago. I love my Prius but it's a nightmare to fix. I'd go with the Kia just because it's simple.
Okay toyota fanboy. The favorite you like to use is "reliability"
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Recent mass Toyota recall due to air bag issues
NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) reached a settlement potentially worth $150 million to resolve U.S. class-action litigation tied to recalls of about 3.36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles whose defective fuel pumps could cause engines to stall.
A preliminary settlement was filed on Wednesday night in federal court in Brooklyn. It requires a judge's approval.
The settlement covers owners and lessees of dozens of Toyota and Lexus vehicle models manufactured in the 2013 to 2020 model years and equipped with Denso low-pressure fuel pumps.
I would choose carnival for that sweet v6 3.5
If you are old style and keep cars for 15 years.. then toyota. If it's only till 5 years, then choose the exciting one. Life is too short to drive boring vehicles
Carnival's real world MPG is much better than the EPA estimate in my experience. My family rented a Carnival and got 30 MPG on the highway driving 1300 miles
The reason that your sx prestige did not have the executive seats is because they are now doing the 8 seat set up standard and allowing customers to change it if they want it. More customers want 8 seats versus the reclining seats.
@@yankeesusa1 good to know… I wish the Sienna had an 8-seat option with the higher models too
If it's long term ownership then it is no contest warranty be damned. Sienna all the way.
I won't talk about the trouble I've had with Kia and 2 Hyundais (although the Kia made it to 165,000 miles before the motor self destructed).
Our 2021 Sienna XSE AWD has been great and gets a solid 35 non-winter non-freeway mpg.
My problem with Toyota right now is the 21 months we have waited (as of today) for our next SIENNA XSE AWD !
Have you seen the trouble many Toyota owners are having by Toyota manipulating and safety and performance data of millinos of their cars? Google it. Have you noticed the recent massive Toyota recalls? You forgot entire families died due to Toyota Sticky pedal while back? There is your Toyota reputation and reliability.
Carnival is cooler and has better tech and interior quality. However, Sienna has AWD, significantly better gas mileage, and potentially depreciates less. I drove a Sienna AWD Platinum last week and it appeared to have the same wheels and they were not hub caps. Does anyone else know if the platinum awd trim has hub caps in some areas or countries?
What about engine reliability? Who got the more sturdy and easy to maintain engine?
I bought a Kia Carnival. Test drove the Sienna, Odyssey, Pacifica and the Carnival. Kia was the hands down winner. especially with the longer warranty. The Sienna was nice but underpowered in my opinion. Gas mileage was not a big concern for me. Had it for two months and love it!
I looked at both vehicles 2 years ago. I fell in love with the carnival but my mind went with the sienna. I'm in California with $4+ gas. The carnival would be a killer every time I'd have to gas up.
Carnival. 👍👍
Go join the circus
Carnival for sure!
I absolutely love it
Almost every Kia Carnival SX Prestige model I've seen online and in person has rear seat entertainment (mounted tablets behind both front seats) for the 2nd row
Hard to make a true comparison without seeing how the rear seats fold down in both.
The same
I had the AWD version with 18" wheels... I can imagine the FWD models with 20" wheels are worse! I didn't have an XSE to test drive beforehand, but I had a sienna LE rental and I liked it. I didn't think the XSE would be THAT much stiffer... well, it is folks. Find a way to go for a test drive. the XSE also does not have the acoustic glass or sound deadening, so with the stiffer suspension I feel that it transfers more noise into the cabin. the suspension is just overkill for a minivan.
We went from sienna to kia, reason being we live at 6000ft and travel thousands of feet up and down and losing 60hp in the sienna wasn't something we wanted. Going 0 to 60 is great but traveling from Phoenix to Flagstaff is a better test and the sienna suffers.
@@DesertRox fair call - just curious - didn’t the Honda (not featured in this video) appeal? ..with its magic V6 and 10-speed gearbox it simply lays the Kia to rest.
I still go with reliability and resale value. Toyota for me
Yeah im going with toyota! Talk about longevity and maintenance, I have a 96 4Runner and it’s still going strong.
Me and my wife were in the market for a vehicle. I insisted we needed a mini van as we have 2 middle school kids, a 2 year old, and a baby on the way. She dreads of the fact that she will be driving a van as i take the old beat up hoopty to work. When she saw the kia carnival she fell in love. We got the comfort and features of a van but drive and feel of a SUV.
Excellent comparison, I definitely prefer the Carnival!
I LOVE minivans and I’m a Toyota fanboy. (Land Cruiser dream car) but the first like, luxury, “swagger wagon” as u put it, minivan, to me… is the Chrysler Pacifica or voyager or whatever they call it.
I love the Kia Carnival
Will go for Sienna because of the AWD. Need that for Chicago winters!
Can't wait for the Carnival Hybrid to come to the states. If they end up being able to offer it with AWD as well, it's game over for the competitors.
I note the driver's arm rest, on the Toyota, is very useful. You can rest your arm on the armrest while driving. Not possible with the Kia.
I would choose the Sienna!!! Thank you. Great video!😀
Check back in 10 years and let me know how the kia drives. We both know the sienna will be driving like new, is the kia as reliable?
kias are reliable tho depends what country you in
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My family van sienna is at 320 and still running great lol. So I agree with you bro.
Exactly. Kias are super hit or miss. The Toyota Sienna is one of the most, if not the most, reliable minivans ever made. Sienna for the win.
Carnival 😊😊
Sienna hands down. Value, reliability, looks, and all the above.
@carconfection, did I miss it or did you fail to mention the Surround View camera system in the Carnival Prestige SX? Maybe it's what you called Blind View? Although the Carnival isn't much longer than my prior van, the extra foot of width can be trickier in tight parking spots.
The Sienna is AWD and the Carnival is only FWD. If you live where there are often chain controls the Sienna is the better option, unless you would rather put chains on.
If the Kia Carnival had AWD, it would win every time. @kia please make an AWD version. And please make hybrid versions. Not full Battery.
I would pick the Kia carnival! It’s a swagger wagon! 😂
Just got my 25, smoothest ride ever
The carnival has 12 way while the sienna has 8 way? The controls are the same tho with 4 way lumbar
1st How have you been doing drew and mason. It been a minute since i was here
Good! Hope you are doing well
Yes I am doing good to
KIA looks Mature, Elegant and even stout. The Toyota looks adolescent and has has too many Sharp points which makes it way too aggressive for a Family Minivan. Looking forward to the Hybrid KIA Carnival.
Prefer the newer facelifted Kia Carnival. looks like the facelift is going to also introduce a hybrid in the US too. that would be a much better comparison with the sienna.
We look forward to doing it again next year
Great video - and excellent comparison so far …I’ve just reached the part where you’re road testing the cars. Believe this or not - I timed your acceleration with a stopwatch just now. Not once, but thrice - and every time the Toyota (9.2xx seconds) is faster than the Kia (9.7xx seconds) - by around a quarter of a second. I’m guessing this is a result of the instant torque from the rear hybrid motor that more than makes up for the smaller petrol engine. I couldn’t believe my eyes - because the Kia _sounds faster_ with that lovely V6 roar as it moves through its gears while the Toyota sounds whiny and unimpressive with its CVT droning away. Nevertheless the Toyota wins on that count as far as I can see. I’m looking to get a minivan in the next 6 months …and chances are it’ll be a Sienna - the safety-net of the AWD system is attractive although it’ll cost a little more upfront. Also, if it’s pure acceleration and driving oomph you want, the Honda Odyssey is way faster than both the Toyota and Kia. Enjoying your comparison video - thanks!
GOT MY SIENNA LIMITED 2023 AND JUST GOT TO 5,000 MILES, AND IT STILL SMELLS LIKE NEW AND RUNS SMOOTH, ITS A LUXURY PLANE IN THE ROAD
Sadly it's too weak power wise for that kind of money. Should be V6 or at the very least the same new engine that's in the Grand Highlander Max trim.
@@zayns_the_mane5066 I live in an area of aggressive drivers and some short freeway / tollway entry ramps. I had decent acceleration with my V6 Sienna, but have concerns about a 4 cylinder moving a vehicle of this weight with enough oomph. I don't want to feel like I'm pulling a Fred Flintstone as I did with the Corolla I hated when I moved to this area.
I wish the toyota sienna would not got rid of the duel sunroof but still love my 2012 toyota sienna limited awd.
Sienna for me ❤️could give a crap about 0-60 on my minivan
You must not live in an area with short entry ramps as you try to merge onto a road with a (largely ignored) 70 mph speed limit. My old Sienna was OK with its 6 cylinder, but 4 cylinders in a vehicle that heavy could be sketchy.
@@L-pz9dv no … no I don’t thankfully
why nobody tell if the second row seats are removable?? I am working on minivan as a contractor I have caravan now and we are removing the seats for work so its is important for as to know about this the options in minivans
They both have 3rd row stow and go, Kia I believe the middle seats can be removed easily, sienna is a pain and requires turning off air bag sensors last I knew. 😅 I am wanting to KNOW for certain the same question.
You can double check the specs at Kia America, but at least for the 2024 Carnival, I'm quite confident the middle row seats can be removed in the LX, EX, & SX, but NOT the top-of-the-line Prestige SX. You should be able to find videos showing how easily the seats are removed in the lower trim levels.
As noted earlier, it's a challenge with the Sienna.
Was first looking for a sienna but the prices were outrageous. Even the older and high mile siennas were selling higher priced than other vans with less miles. I know that toyota is reliable but the mark up is due to high demand. The transmission may be 200k+ and still running but everything else in the vehicle is going out. Engine is leaking oil. Doors auto locks not locking right. Window motor going out. Car stereo not responding to buttons, etc. The the repairs become frequent as everything in the vehicle is passed its expiration date. If i cant go on a road trip with a peace of mind, a new or semi new car would be more reliable in that point.
I really love the carnaval kia all the specs
Toyota Sienna, Cause I love hybrid minivans.
100%, case closed. Minivans are especially meant for utility and the Sienna hybrid does it best
My response exactly
At what cost to get Hybrid? Lethargic 4 cyl, CVT....loud engine? You are buying a $56K van. And you actually care about gas? Wow. That's laughable. I can afford $5 gas. what I can afford is power when I need it.
$7500 is a lot of difference, hard to argue against the advantage, but giving the Kia 3.5 points for that seem excessive, especially after you self admitted that resell value of a Sienna is much better. Most of that additional cost would be the hybrid system, with the Carnival MVP hybrid coming out for 2025, I think it might be a good follow-up comparison. Good Video, but my daughter (new mother) is looking for a new car and she asked about the Kia and in general I told her that I recommend a Toyota, because 3-4 years from now, the Toyota will drive like day 1, the Kia brand (while much improved) has had a history of issues. I might be a little bias because I have had 2 Sienna, a 2005 that had 300,000 miles when I gave it to my daughter to drive home to Texas from Maryland and had no apprehension about it making it. My wife and I currently have a 2017 with 130,000 and it drives the same as the day we bought it.....
The KIA will cost more for maintenance over time. Not factored in for long term cost of care
Our 2022 Sienna gets us 35mpg City/Hwy.. Its resale value cant be beat. Nuff said.
YEAH BUT YOU ARE PAYING 5,000 MORE UPFRONT! LOL
For towing the Carnival would be better especially going uphill.
Sienna because it is hybrid, more reliabe car and better resail value
google recent toyota lying about their car data, there is your toyota reputation
@@andresmattos7541 Toyota it is not my..
Sienna and Carnival have the same amount of adjustability on the drivers seat
Cool review. I honestly would have given the Toyota reliability at least 3 points since stats say the Kia will not be worth the price after 5yrs where you either have to get a new one or pay to up keep. Plus the hybrid has savings should have offset the price of the Kia vs Sienna. Eventually the Sienna would be cheaper on just these 2 things alone. I don't think people who buy minis will be wanting a new one every 5 years.
Have you checked what your local Toyota dealer is tacking on as a "market adjustment" aka price gouging compared to Kia dealers? Also, mandatory "VIP" add-ons? The ~$7,000 price difference may well be another $5,000-$7,000 or more to get the Sienna.
was debating this same 2 models, end up with Sienna for hybrid tech + long term reliability and maybe higher resell value
You got baited the carnival 3.5 v6 is more desirable for reliability people
Are Siennas available at MSRP in your area? At least earlier this year, the "market adjustments" were wicked here. Also, be sure to check if the dealers are forcing you to buy exprnsive mandatory "VIP" add-ons that you don't want. Some Kia dealers were adding the packages, too, but for far less.
I wish like the drivers seat that all seats in front and rear row were fully adjustable up and down and heated also i wish the second and first row could swivel out to allow passengers to sit facing out while entering and exiting and raise and lower for easier entrance and exit also hybid mode battery should last 10miles not 1mile in traffic. A better road noise insullation package also should be offered. A plug in hybrid should be offered for trips under 150miles.
What about height adjustable front passenger seat?Very important for long trips.
Depends on the model you get with KIA. With the SX models in the US, the front passenger seat has power adjustments, including power forward and backward and leaning buttons on the inside of the seat back so the driver can adjust the seat.
Nice review and well done. I appreciate your points system and how you weighed things out. That said my money goes to Toyota due to AWD, reliability (brand reputation), and resale.
Thank you!
My insurance was going to triple with the Carnival! It went down with Sienna.
Sienna looks like a cheaper option in the long run. By 100K miles it will be already $8K more for gas expenses (in current prices) in the case of Carnival. Plus 2 years of free maintenance, reliability, and higher resale value for Sienna.
And a battery replacement costs?
All cars are almost levelling up.The design will decide everything. The Kia Carnival looks way ahead.
@CarConfections need a video for comparison for the 2025 Trim for Hybrid models.
Coming later this year or early next year when both 2025 models are out 👍
The only use case i have for a minivan, and why we purchased a Sienna is because our child kicks, and in a sienna you can push the seat to a point where he cannot kick the front passenger or driver seat. This feature is not available in any other car sold in the US. Every Sienna review i have seen does not talk about this feature and use case.
Exactly. Small children are annoying in road trips. 😅
I can do that in my carnival
Our child used to kick, but the parent lashes
I thought I was eccentric needing a removable middle row to accommodate multiple large dog crates & all the paraphernalia to travel to obedience trials or dog shows, but the kicking kiddo is something I wouldn't have considered. I can see how that would avoid conflict. (I don't think the middle seats will come out in the Prestige SX, but will in lower trims.)
I think that you guys missed on the price evaluation grade evaluation.. Yes you graded price and factored in fuel efficiency but I think the differences are more significant. if you keep your cars for 10 years with 150k of use with 60% city and 40% highway with the average price of gas being $3.62 (something we can't count on), it would cost $26G for the Kia and 15G for the Sienna (rounded numbers). That is a chunk of change. I plan on doing 250K miles with a ratio of 80\20% so my savings would not be $10 grand but rather $12 G. Add Toyota reliability and a tried and tested hybrid technology over the last 2 decades and I know which van I'm looking at. Thanks for a sound analysis for the most part.
How much is the "market adjustment" at your Toyota dealer vs. the Kia dealer? Maybe my market was different, but I got a Kia at MSRP and no fake mandatory VIP packages. Otherwise, I probably would have traded my 2009 Sienna in on a new Sienna. Also, I'm now a low-mileage driver so the fuel savings isn't a major factor for me & I like the oomph of the V6 since drivers are extremely aggressive in my area.
Oh, the age-old debate: Toyota vs Kia! Both car brands have their own unique qualities and offerings. Toyota is known for its reliability, fuel efficiency, and resale value. On the other hand, Kia has been making strides with stylish designs, advanced technology, and competitive pricing. Ultimately, it comes down to personal preference and what you prioritize in a car. Do you have any specific models in mind? Let's dive deeper into the comparison! 🚗💨
Well said.
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Recent mass Toyota recall due to air bag issues
NEW YORK, Sept 8 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp (7203.T) reached a settlement potentially worth $150 million to resolve U.S. class-action litigation tied to recalls of about 3.36 million Toyota and Lexus vehicles whose defective fuel pumps could cause engines to stall.
A preliminary settlement was filed on Wednesday night in federal court in Brooklyn. It requires a judge's approval.
The settlement covers owners and lessees of dozens of Toyota and Lexus vehicle models manufactured in the 2013 to 2020 model years and equipped with Denso low-pressure fuel pumps.
The cost difference will be made up with major repairs on the carnival out of warranty. Add resale to boot. 3.5 points for the price difference is dumb imo. If you buy new and drive into the ground the price difference is gone if you have to replace a transmission for instance on the carnival
KIA CARNIVAL ATW!!!
I love my 2024 Sienna XSE. I’m getting 39.4 mpg in winter. Yes in winter. ☝️Love the sporty look, memory seats, etc. Ofcourse, Toyota is best known for reliability. I would recommend Sienna.
Reliability? google recent Toyota admitting manipulating for more than 30 years safety and performance data of their cars lying to customers, there is your toyota reputation and reliability,
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@@andresmattos7541 I've owned Toyota vehicles, including SUVs and currently drive a minivan, without encountering any issues, just like my family in Japan. What vehicle do you drive?
My favorite Toyota Sienna
Seems like Karnival raised rates as I am not seeing any below $45,000 in the NE
still wating for AWD Kia Carnival to arrive to the US market.
Sienna has rattling noises at the front passenger side , drone noises when you drive it 😂
Actual cost of ownership will be less in the Sienna. Consider purchase price and then resale value. Kia will be cheaper to buy but will not hold its value. Add in fuel and the cost is settled.
Having just sold a 2011 Sienna and waiting for our 2024 to arrive, it is quite apparent that the Sienna will continue to be the winner long term. People line up to buy the used ones.
Assuming 10k miles a year the Sienna will save you over $3300 a year.
2011 Kia Sedona $5000
2011 Sienna $15000
Kia has come a long way though.
I find your points system too subjective (.5 for awd?) and award you no points.
i prefer the Toyota for the fuel economy and the resale value and reliability.
Great comparison!
Thanks!
Missed a point.. Kia has nice exterior color options. Sienna pretty standar colors.
Sienna reliability and availability of parts, video tutorials, efficiency,
carnival the prettier one anyday .
One thing I noticed on car reviews of Hyundai's or kias they always say it doesn't have wireless hookup. It does, they just don't know how to use it. I own 2 Hyundai's and 2 kias and I have wireless hookups on all my cars.
Not for android auto/Apple CarPlay on one of their 12.3” infotainment units you don’t.
On y'all's website cabin noise list it would be helpful to include the trim level.
All in Carnival
Seinna for sure
13 mpg difference for the sienna should definitely give it more than one point. That is an extreme difference in gas mileage and fuel savings over time especially with today's fuel prices. Maybe you should have awarded a half point per extra mile per gallon to be fair.
I drive Uber, never seen carnival on the road, sienna left and right I see them. There is a reason why people buy Toyota sienna in particularly vans