Thanks for the review. I wanted to replace my Moza SRP with P500. I can only use soft pedals because I use a wheel stand with chair link + office chair. I understand Simagic needs a larger and stiff damping block like the ones that come with Moza SRP brake kit to use that load cell to his 100%. Until then I will wait, very helpful review!
It’s worth a try at that price point. Fair effort. I love my P1000s can’t wait to try the new haptics. They look A lot smaller than the current ones. Great review Matt. Much appreciated.
So couldn't you just use two of the elastomers together instead of just one if they are roughly the lenght of the brake cylinder? Or wouldn't this fit / be problematic for the loadcell sensor?
On the loadcell, I am saying that yes. Or at least it is very small. On brake input, no, you still get braking input but it is done via the hall sensor. The issue comes from the springs being soft, so they're absorbing all the input pressure until you get to a point that they can't compress anymore, and that then starts to become applied more directly onto the loadcell sensor. Simagic are looking into an updated brake pedal for it.
@@mhgbu Correct. You can switch between the two, so you can use exclusively the hall sensor and then the loadcell, but you can't really use the loadcell exclussively at the moment.
@@23kj75 I don't know if it will be purely loadcell or one that can facilitate stiffer springs. Also no idea when it is coming out, no...or even if it is coming for that matter. They're investigating into it.
Not gonna lie I like brakes like this and I sim race with the best of them. I dont like brick walls i like travel. My bmw gt3 has way more travel then the whole sales pitch in sim racing started years ago. Sry but gt3 and gt4 brakes have travel dont mean ti burst peoples bubbles. Way more then you would think. Its helped me trail brake using the p1000s with lighter springs and then the elastomers under it for that bit of mush at the end. Again if you adapt to travel its shocking what it can do. Now these have to much travel for sure but many use brick wall f1 pedqls and its just not great imo. Also you can use the angle sensor instead of the load cell with the p500 im sure which would make it very accurate. Either way doesnt matter for the price these are very good and will give people the travel some want. You can setup the angle sensor to where ylu push it all the way and thats the 80% mark. You do not have to leave it at 100% so you just have to think outside of the box man. Then you can adjust your threshold braking much easier.
I agree with having travel, but the amount of travel you get should be dictated through the stiffness of the spring or the elastomer, and the amount of travel the pedal can ultimately facilitate. The loadcell should be picking up input the moment you start to apply pressure onto the brake pedal, but currently it doesn't, or it's very disproportional to the amount of travel you go through with the pedal. These aren't exact numbers, but it feels like you get to 5-10% input on the loadcell when you get through to about 70-80% of the travel on there pedal. You then get another 10% or so through the remaining travel up to its limit (so you're only 20% or so input on the loadcell when you hit the wall of no more travel), then whatever pressure you set to be the max to apply beyond that purely on the loadcell. It makes it very difficult to predict the right amount of input required when coming off the brakes to bleed off them appropriately and maintain control, as there is so much (too much) room for modulation. There's no feedback there to create a feel of consistency that even a normal loadcell with very soft springs would achieve. If there was one big elastomer, as I was saying in the video, that activated the loadcell the moment you started to apply any pressure to the brake pedal, then it would work great. The default springs are certainly soft enough for you to be able to use the full range of travel for those who'd want it when using the loadcell, and then the stiffer springs would work for those who desired that. That is the issue that I have with the pedals currently. Not the fact there could be a large amount of travel if the loadcell worked more traditionally.
@@Yorkie065 yeah I did say this one is a bit to much travel but to use the angle sensor and then adjust it where the 100% is actually 80% then modulate from there. Luckily muscle memory and consistency from practice comes regardless I found the angle sensor to work incredible with there pedals in general. Was very easy to do. I actually find myself feeling more control with the angle sensor on the p1000s over the loadcell it doednt dip or drop off the same way and is consistent all the way through. No matter how kuch pressure we put it will start dropping at some point and relax. With angle sensors that doesn't happen. So finding the correct stiffness then setting and adjusting can work very well with pedals like this. Do I still use the load cell on my p1000s? Yes after adjusting and finding what I like but still wasn't bad at all with the angle sensor almost to accurate.
Yeah, the hall sensor is very good and accurate, no faults on it there. Just the pedals missed their full potential and simagic are investigating a fix after I sent the feedback to them before doing the video. I've got and run the p1000's and use a green and brown spring. So not the hardest but 2nd hardest and it works nicely for me. I was getting loadcell drift issues until I 3d printed some washers that are like the plastic / metal washers provided, but also have a bit that extends and sits inside the spring, between that and the metal rod inside the brake compartment. It stops the springs from moving around on the rod and it's reduced the loadcell drift to be almost nonexistent. It's probably more the sensitivity and accuracy of the loadcell picking up slight changes in pressure.
Not entirely no, as you can use them without leaning into the loadcell and using just the hall sensor aspect on the brake. But if you do want them for the loadcell, then I would recommend waiting to see if Simagic implements a solution for them first.
Thanks for the review. I wanted to replace my Moza SRP with P500. I can only use soft pedals because I use a wheel stand with chair link + office chair. I understand Simagic needs a larger and stiff damping block like the ones that come with Moza SRP brake kit to use that load cell to his 100%. Until then I will wait, very helpful review!
It’s worth a try at that price point. Fair effort. I love my P1000s can’t wait to try the new haptics. They look
A lot smaller than the current ones. Great review Matt. Much appreciated.
So couldn't you just use two of the elastomers together instead of just one if they are roughly the lenght of the brake cylinder? Or wouldn't this fit / be problematic for the loadcell sensor?
Is it still the case with LC?
Is P500 pedal set up Sigma conveter for ps5?
Hi, did you recommend this or moza sr-p pedals? Thanks
I don't know, as I haven't tried the Moza SR-P pedals. Only the Moza SR-P Lite pedals which come in the Moza R5 bundle.
I'm confused about the load cell issue. Are saying you get no input at all until further along the brake travel?
On the loadcell, I am saying that yes. Or at least it is very small. On brake input, no, you still get braking input but it is done via the hall sensor.
The issue comes from the springs being soft, so they're absorbing all the input pressure until you get to a point that they can't compress anymore, and that then starts to become applied more directly onto the loadcell sensor. Simagic are looking into an updated brake pedal for it.
@@Yorkie065 So the brake has a hall sensor AND a load cell? How weird.
@@mhgbu Correct. You can switch between the two, so you can use exclusively the hall sensor and then the loadcell, but you can't really use the loadcell exclussively at the moment.
@@Yorkie065 updated brake pedal? you saying they will make one that is purely load cell？Do you know roughly when it’s coming out? Thanks!
@@23kj75 I don't know if it will be purely loadcell or one that can facilitate stiffer springs. Also no idea when it is coming out, no...or even if it is coming for that matter. They're investigating into it.
These have to be better than the Cammus LC100s I bought a few weeks ago. They're the worst pedals I've ever used and they're going on Ebay.
Not gonna lie I like brakes like this and I sim race with the best of them. I dont like brick walls i like travel. My bmw gt3 has way more travel then the whole sales pitch in sim racing started years ago. Sry but gt3 and gt4 brakes have travel dont mean ti burst peoples bubbles. Way more then you would think. Its helped me trail brake using the p1000s with lighter springs and then the elastomers under it for that bit of mush at the end. Again if you adapt to travel its shocking what it can do. Now these have to much travel for sure but many use brick wall f1 pedqls and its just not great imo. Also you can use the angle sensor instead of the load cell with the p500 im sure which would make it very accurate. Either way doesnt matter for the price these are very good and will give people the travel some want.
You can setup the angle sensor to where ylu push it all the way and thats the 80% mark. You do not have to leave it at 100% so you just have to think outside of the box man. Then you can adjust your threshold braking much easier.
I agree with having travel, but the amount of travel you get should be dictated through the stiffness of the spring or the elastomer, and the amount of travel the pedal can ultimately facilitate. The loadcell should be picking up input the moment you start to apply pressure onto the brake pedal, but currently it doesn't, or it's very disproportional to the amount of travel you go through with the pedal. These aren't exact numbers, but it feels like you get to 5-10% input on the loadcell when you get through to about 70-80% of the travel on there pedal. You then get another 10% or so through the remaining travel up to its limit (so you're only 20% or so input on the loadcell when you hit the wall of no more travel), then whatever pressure you set to be the max to apply beyond that purely on the loadcell. It makes it very difficult to predict the right amount of input required when coming off the brakes to bleed off them appropriately and maintain control, as there is so much (too much) room for modulation. There's no feedback there to create a feel of consistency that even a normal loadcell with very soft springs would achieve.
If there was one big elastomer, as I was saying in the video, that activated the loadcell the moment you started to apply any pressure to the brake pedal, then it would work great. The default springs are certainly soft enough for you to be able to use the full range of travel for those who'd want it when using the loadcell, and then the stiffer springs would work for those who desired that. That is the issue that I have with the pedals currently. Not the fact there could be a large amount of travel if the loadcell worked more traditionally.
@@Yorkie065 yeah I did say this one is a bit to much travel but to use the angle sensor and then adjust it where the 100% is actually 80% then modulate from there. Luckily muscle memory and consistency from practice comes regardless I found the angle sensor to work incredible with there pedals in general. Was very easy to do. I actually find myself feeling more control with the angle sensor on the p1000s over the loadcell it doednt dip or drop off the same way and is consistent all the way through. No matter how kuch pressure we put it will start dropping at some point and relax. With angle sensors that doesn't happen. So finding the correct stiffness then setting and adjusting can work very well with pedals like this.
Do I still use the load cell on my p1000s? Yes after adjusting and finding what I like but still wasn't bad at all with the angle sensor almost to accurate.
Yeah, the hall sensor is very good and accurate, no faults on it there. Just the pedals missed their full potential and simagic are investigating a fix after I sent the feedback to them before doing the video.
I've got and run the p1000's and use a green and brown spring. So not the hardest but 2nd hardest and it works nicely for me. I was getting loadcell drift issues until I 3d printed some washers that are like the plastic / metal washers provided, but also have a bit that extends and sits inside the spring, between that and the metal rod inside the brake compartment. It stops the springs from moving around on the rod and it's reduced the loadcell drift to be almost nonexistent. It's probably more the sensitivity and accuracy of the loadcell picking up slight changes in pressure.
So... For now they're useless.
Not entirely no, as you can use them without leaning into the loadcell and using just the hall sensor aspect on the brake. But if you do want them for the loadcell, then I would recommend waiting to see if Simagic implements a solution for them first.
@@Yorkie065 Do the pedals work with a moza wheel base?
@@Wewols On PC, yes, as you can plug the pedals directly into the PC via USB which is what I'm doing (I have a Moza R12 wheelbase).
@@Yorkie065 Thanks man!
Should I upgrade my MOZA srp not the lites to this is it worth it?