@@TheSimCircuit no doubt this will be hard to beat I’m just curious what’s moza bringing out but I still think these will be very hard to beat in fact I don’t think they can be beat let’s see if I’m wrong just my opinion from a nobody
@@mr1k666 oh don’t say that we always want better for cheaper 🥴 I myself have not had any new Moza products in a while but Moza brings out new gear weekly it seems 😮
sim jack are cheaper and better pedals but the build the qc will be lower how every i will defo be going that route so i can get high end feeling pedals for 170 pounds if i dont get the extra roods
This is a great price effort that SiMagic is doing. To late for me last year i bought the csl elite v2 as my first load cell pedal and i was "shocked" at the stiffness and barely travel of my brake. I spend a few weeks before getting use to it. So now when i see a load cell brake with a travel like my old thrustmaster t3pm it looks unusual. And i heard that real racing car have travel on the brake pedal, it's ok. I could get use to this product, if my fanatec broke down i could go for this p500 or the p1000. i wish the clutch had a better feel.
100% agree I have not used loads of floor pedals maybe around 5 or 6 in my time ( have 4 here in my possession I made comparisons with) and I can confidently say these are the best floor pedals I have ever used 🙌🏻
Its funny people will absolutely love these and it has travel in the brake thank god because real gt3 cars have travel! No matter what peoppe think we have gotten told something so false in sim racing it's insane. I love some throw its amazing helps with trail braking. When I got to drive a gt4 ans gt3 car one a BMW I was shocked ay the travel and mush in the pedal. Then realized wow that whole sales pitch years ago in sim racing and people stuck with was so wrong lol. I can see alot of people feeling it and going ahh to much travel! But guys give it a few days and watch you find time you never realized you could get. That is if you are already a good trail braker I will say these have a bit to much throw but for many it will be a happy day. Also I'm using only springs in my p1000s it really is so much more accurate it changes your mind on every thing you thought on a brake once you adapt to it. Also it's only 199 for the 2 pedal set? Like what? Amazing!
I went from budget Logitech to asatek forte pedals and asatek invicta base and I went from 0.6 Irating to 1.8k but the break is like pressing against the wall if I try to make some travel I keep locking up I’m fukin confused what am I doing wrong any help
@mr1k666 nope that's just how they are designed you can't get the travle you want out of them its exactly why 50% of users end up getting something else. Its how that loadcell was designed. My p1000s have like 20k options. Tons of springs, elastomers all work great. If you have to much travel you can use the angle sensor instead of load cell and its so so accurate. But you can find that perfect spot. I have amazing travel yet beautiful control now and ive just gotten so so much better with them
Springs 100% give more accuracy as long as you are happy sacrificing some brake feel. These going to be hard to beat at this price, thanks for watching as always matey 🙌🏻
Just for info: A 100kg loadcell doesn't mean 100kg actual brake force, because of the pedal leverage.👈 The Heusinkveld Sprint pedals have 65kg maximum brake force, but they use a 120kg load cell. Even the Fanatec V3 pedals are advertised with a 90kg load cell, but they have only half or a third of brake force.
I did mix up brake force and loadcell figures sorry 😞 and I do understand but even in HE software the loadcell does not pickup anything after reaching 65kg of brake force and it does not take 65kg brake force to use the full potential of a 120kg loadcell. I can push with roughly the same amount of force/strength on the p500 and although the pedals does not travel further the loadcell still picks it up in software. ( by doing a quick comparison and just using my muscle memory to compare I think the p500 can take a few more kg say 70-75kg before maxing out the 100kg loadcell) The sprints are capable of much more than 65kg but this is limited in the software I think this is done not to undermine the sales of their ultimate pedals if the full range of the 120kg loadcell could be used the brake force would probably be 90+ kg of brake/strength force. So imo the 65kg strength that is required to push down on the pedal does not use the entire 120kg loadcell but rather a part of it. Where the p500 uses 100% of the advertised loadcell of 100kg it’s not limited by the software 🤷🏼♂️
@@TheSimCircuit Yes the brake pedal on the Sprints is limited to 65kg brake force in software. But this is also because of the pedal arm and the leverage effect. Imagine a long 50cm pedal. You'd get much more force on the loadcell even while pushing just 50kg on the pedal plate. It's simply physics.🤓 BTW ... the Heusinkveld Ultimates have a 200kg load cell with maximum brake force up to 140kg.😉
@@ErnieGaming 🙌🏻 I’m no expert even simple physics is not simple for me 😂 but I do get what your saying pedals are designed differently and adjusting length of pedals will add more or less force. Something I will take into consideration in future reviews 👍🏻🙌🏻 This is no claim to fame lol but this weekend at the sim expo Simucube had a brake pressure competition, who ever pushes and holds closest to 50kg wins one of their pedals. I managed a 49.56 😎😂
Very useful review. I have a request. Can you test the condition of the P500 when used on the floor?The MOZA SRP when used on the floor with the brake applied will cause the other side to lift up. I am a table player. I am concerned that the P500 will act like the moza srp. there is a Wall Support Bracket included in the P500 kit. maybe that will help.
I don’t have the Moza SRP pedals but I am at the ADAC Sim Expo this weekend I will see if I can use the SRP pedals on the floor if I can I will get back to you 🙌🏻
I have Moza SRP on wheelstand not on floor. "The Simpit" channel reviewed Moza SRP on floor (minute 19:55) and they move up a bit with the softest spring. With the brake kit they must be on a stand. You can attach Moza SRP to a 5kg barbell disk to stay in place (did this with TLCM pedals on the floor). With better and stiffer brakes your office chair will move back and also the pedals. I use a wheelstand with chair link + office chair and with stiff brakes my chair lift ups and back from my leg press. I feel this P500 are softer pedals for desk / floor, but the brake is worse to be competitive.
I'm currently getting my first sim setup (alpha mini + neo gt) and was wondering if those pedals were better than for example the Moza SRP (with the spring kit) or the Fanatec Elite V2. Heard mixed opinions about the P500 (particularly the brake). Does someone got expierience with those entry loadcell pedals and can maybe recommend one or the other?
The big thing is the brake on P500 does not feel like a brake it feels very springy but it is very accurate and is a good brake pedal for braking & trail braking. Are you considering using these pedals on a rig or at a desk. If desk then 100% go p500 I have heard good things about the fanatec Elites but I have no experience with them or the Moza pedals so can't give you a definitive answer sorry 😐
@TheSimCircuit Thanks for the fast reply! I'm not quite sure yet. Depending on the pedal choice it's between a wheelstand (like the NLR 2.0) with a extra frame to hook your desk chair into or maybe a entry rig like the playseat trophy, which might be tight on space and I'm not sure about according to the extra price... With the rig option I'm kind of thinking that it might be overkill if I don't go for something like the p1000, which I find pretty interesting but which would be tight on budget combined. Also thought that a full simagic ecosystem could be a better/easier user experience compared to mix and match, especially when just starting out.
@AremagosYT with a wheel stand I recommend the p500 the Moza and Fanatec ones require more force to push down on pedals that could cause flex in your wheel stand. Also the seating angle will be more suited to the p500 using a wheel deck. Bonus like you say is that all SiMagic gear will only be running one bit of software 🙌🏼
@@TheSimCircuit thanks a lot! Do you think switching to an entry'ish complete rig (like playseat trophy) would be a big upgrade to using a wheelstand and a better experience accordingly? I'm not worried about the base and wheel but pretty unsure about consistent breaking inputs and feel. With the current deals it would be about 200€ more for me.
@@AremagosYTwhen looking for rig the most important thing is trying to get as little movement in pedals when pushing down, a wheel stand might have more play in pedal deck plus making sure your office chair does not move about is always tricky. I do not have allot of experience with play seat but as general rule of thumb a rig should be the better of the 2 choices. Rig will also feel more impressive and could elevate the enjoyment you get from sim racing. Lots of deals on at the moment it's great. Keep in mind rigs are not easy to store away and it becomes a hassle if you need to move it to and from your desk every time you want to use it 🤷🏼♂️
the more i see these getting reviewed the smaller they keep looking. as you say they look perfect for an older child. but maybe they would be better inverted, with the faces adjusted, for a bigger person.
So my shoe size is UK 11 and if my heel rest on pedal tray then my toes stick over the pedal faces. Basically I either have to angle/move your heel down to use toes or just use ball of your feet otherwise. But yes although they are by no means uncomfortable to use an extra inch would have been perfect 😉
I'm pretty new to sim racing and I just picked up the t598 thrustmaster I was wondering can you pair different bands with other pedals? Thanks who answers
Hi matey if you are playing on pc then yes you can basically use any pedals as you can plug them directly into PC or wheel base, you can mix and match brands no problem. If however you are playing on console then you can't just use any pedals because you can't connect pedals directly to a console, the pedals would need to be connected to a wheel base that has console support & the pedals plugs into the wheel base then the wheelbase is connected to your console. Hope that makes sense but feel free to give me a shout if you need more info 😘
Yea bit unlucky, I do have the simjack UT pedals and even though i have only used them briefly I can say don’t worry they are amazing for the money also 🙌🏻
Simjack UT are amazing for price l have simagic haptics fitted to mine came within 2 weeks to uk only paid about 200 with vat that also includes 2 haptic hpr-neo so for me still would be better option just made my own foot plate from wood and got 3 pedal option from simjack with no extras. Happy Racing
Nice video! Two questions, are the extra springs/the bullet included with the pedals or are they separate? Also, is it worth spending the extra bit of money to get the hpr-neos over no haptics? Edit: I rewatched and it looks like it does come with the springs 😂
The springs and bullets ( you get 3 ) are included yes. Personally what I suggest is get the original hpr for brake pedal and the Neo for throttle. I would skip the clutch haptic 🙌🏻
@@TheSimCircuit thanks for the reply! For the haptics, what all do I need to buy to have them work on the p500s? Just the reactor, or with power supply/control box?
They are very different pedals the SimSonn pedals are for rig only they also have allot more adjustability, the SimSonn’s now also come with better elastomers the elastomers in the kit i had was my biggest problem. The brake on the p500 is more accurate imo and pedals move with less friction and feels smoother. Honestly if I had to pick I would probably for my self pick the SimSonns because I like a shorter travel on the pedals and the p500 have a long travel although I love how accurate the brakes are on the p500 I do like a brake pedal that feels like a brake pedal and will probably sacrifice a bit of performance my self for realism. I don’t like the SimSonn baseplate the p500 one is super clean hiding away all wires and that is a big plus for me as I hate seeing lots of wires. It’s a very hard choice to be fair this is best I can help 🤦🏼♂️
I have never used tlcm pedals so can’t say matey both have a 100kg loadcell, from what I can see from looking online at the tlcm I would say the SiMagic ones will be better build quality but I even if the p500 are an upgrade I don’t think it will be a massive upgrade for you 🤷🏼♂️
Man for the price how can anyone complain if I didn’t go with asatek I definitely would go simagic no doubt
Great price and allot off pedal for the price 🙌🏻
@@TheSimCircuit no doubt this will be hard to beat I’m just curious what’s moza bringing out but I still think these will be very hard to beat in fact I don’t think they can be beat let’s see if I’m wrong just my opinion from a nobody
@@mr1k666 oh don’t say that we always want better for cheaper 🥴 I myself have not had any new Moza products in a while but Moza brings out new gear weekly it seems 😮
sim jack are cheaper and better pedals but the build the qc will be lower how every i will defo be going that route so i can get high end feeling pedals for 170 pounds if i dont get the extra roods
This is a great price effort that SiMagic is doing. To late for me last year i bought the csl elite v2 as my first load cell pedal and i was "shocked" at the stiffness and barely travel of my brake. I spend a few weeks before getting use to it. So now when i see a load cell brake with a travel like my old thrustmaster t3pm it looks unusual.
And i heard that real racing car have travel on the brake pedal, it's ok.
I could get use to this product, if my fanatec broke down i could go for this p500 or the p1000. i wish the clutch had a better feel.
Allot of people talk very highly of the fanatec csl v2’s I personally have never used them 🙌🏻
For FLOOR MOUNTED pedals these are unbeatable!
100% agree I have not used loads of floor pedals maybe around 5 or 6 in my time ( have 4 here in my possession I made comparisons with) and I can confidently say these are the best floor pedals I have ever used 🙌🏻
Its funny people will absolutely love these and it has travel in the brake thank god because real gt3 cars have travel! No matter what peoppe think we have gotten told something so false in sim racing it's insane. I love some throw its amazing helps with trail braking.
When I got to drive a gt4 ans gt3 car one a BMW I was shocked ay the travel and mush in the pedal. Then realized wow that whole sales pitch years ago in sim racing and people stuck with was so wrong lol.
I can see alot of people feeling it and going ahh to much travel! But guys give it a few days and watch you find time you never realized you could get. That is if you are already a good trail braker
I will say these have a bit to much throw but for many it will be a happy day.
Also I'm using only springs in my p1000s it really is so much more accurate it changes your mind on every thing you thought on a brake once you adapt to it.
Also it's only 199 for the 2 pedal set? Like what? Amazing!
I went from budget Logitech to asatek forte pedals and asatek invicta base and I went from 0.6 Irating to 1.8k but the break is like pressing against the wall if I try to make some travel I keep locking up I’m fukin confused what am I doing wrong any help
@mr1k666 nope that's just how they are designed you can't get the travle you want out of them its exactly why 50% of users end up getting something else. Its how that loadcell was designed.
My p1000s have like 20k options. Tons of springs, elastomers all work great. If you have to much travel you can use the angle sensor instead of load cell and its so so accurate. But you can find that perfect spot. I have amazing travel yet beautiful control now and ive just gotten so so much better with them
Springs 100% give more accuracy as long as you are happy sacrificing some brake feel. These going to be hard to beat at this price, thanks for watching as always matey 🙌🏻
@@mr1k666I do love my Invictas but they are definitely not for everyone
Fanatec need to stop selling their CSL pedals without loadcell and start selling them for 150€ otherwise they cant compete
Yea these are good value, I think the CSL V2 Elites are great but do cost a little more than these 🤷🏼♂️
Just for info: A 100kg loadcell doesn't mean 100kg actual brake force, because of the pedal leverage.👈
The Heusinkveld Sprint pedals have 65kg maximum brake force, but they use a 120kg load cell.
Even the Fanatec V3 pedals are advertised with a 90kg load cell, but they have only half or a third of brake force.
I did mix up brake force and loadcell figures sorry 😞 and I do understand but even in HE software the loadcell does not pickup anything after reaching 65kg of brake force and it does not take 65kg brake force to use the full potential of a 120kg loadcell. I can push with roughly the same amount of force/strength on the p500 and although the pedals does not travel further the loadcell still picks it up in software. ( by doing a quick comparison and just using my muscle memory to compare I think the p500 can take a few more kg say 70-75kg before maxing out the 100kg loadcell)
The sprints are capable of much more than 65kg but this is limited in the software I think this is done not to undermine the sales of their ultimate pedals if the full range of the 120kg loadcell could be used the brake force would probably be 90+ kg of brake/strength force. So imo the 65kg strength that is required to push down on the pedal does not use the entire 120kg loadcell but rather a part of it. Where the p500 uses 100% of the advertised loadcell of 100kg it’s not limited by the software 🤷🏼♂️
@@TheSimCircuit Yes the brake pedal on the Sprints is limited to 65kg brake force in software. But this is also because of the pedal arm and the leverage effect. Imagine a long 50cm pedal. You'd get much more force on the loadcell even while pushing just 50kg on the pedal plate. It's simply physics.🤓
BTW ... the Heusinkveld Ultimates have a 200kg load cell with maximum brake force up to 140kg.😉
@@ErnieGaming 🙌🏻 I’m no expert even simple physics is not simple for me 😂 but I do get what your saying pedals are designed differently and adjusting length of pedals will add more or less force. Something I will take into consideration in future reviews 👍🏻🙌🏻
This is no claim to fame lol but this weekend at the sim expo Simucube had a brake pressure competition, who ever pushes and holds closest to 50kg wins one of their pedals. I managed a 49.56 😎😂
@@TheSimCircuit 49.56kg. Wow, that's close. 👏
Very useful review. I have a request. Can you test the condition of the P500 when used on the floor?The MOZA SRP when used on the floor with the brake applied will cause the other side to lift up. I am a table player. I am concerned that the P500 will act like the moza srp. there is a Wall Support Bracket included in the P500 kit. maybe that will help.
I don’t have the Moza SRP pedals but I am at the ADAC Sim Expo this weekend I will see if I can use the SRP pedals on the floor if I can I will get back to you 🙌🏻
I have Moza SRP on wheelstand not on floor. "The Simpit" channel reviewed Moza SRP on floor (minute 19:55) and they move up a bit with the softest spring. With the brake kit they must be on a stand. You can attach Moza SRP to a 5kg barbell disk to stay in place (did this with TLCM pedals on the floor). With better and stiffer brakes your office chair will move back and also the pedals. I use a wheelstand with chair link + office chair and with stiff brakes my chair lift ups and back from my leg press. I feel this P500 are softer pedals for desk / floor, but the brake is worse to be competitive.
Just with the spring is the input is based only on load cell or works parallel with position sensor?
Hey matey the brake you have a choice between the 2 so either position or load cell you pick between these 2 settings the SiMagic software. 🙌🏼
I'm currently getting my first sim setup (alpha mini + neo gt) and was wondering if those pedals were better than for example the Moza SRP (with the spring kit) or the Fanatec Elite V2. Heard mixed opinions about the P500 (particularly the brake). Does someone got expierience with those entry loadcell pedals and can maybe recommend one or the other?
The big thing is the brake on P500 does not feel like a brake it feels very springy but it is very accurate and is a good brake pedal for braking & trail braking.
Are you considering using these pedals on a rig or at a desk. If desk then 100% go p500 I have heard good things about the fanatec Elites but I have no experience with them or the Moza pedals so can't give you a definitive answer sorry 😐
@TheSimCircuit Thanks for the fast reply!
I'm not quite sure yet. Depending on the pedal choice it's between a wheelstand (like the NLR 2.0) with a extra frame to hook your desk chair into or maybe a entry rig like the playseat trophy, which might be tight on space and I'm not sure about according to the extra price...
With the rig option I'm kind of thinking that it might be overkill if I don't go for something like the p1000, which I find pretty interesting but which would be tight on budget combined.
Also thought that a full simagic ecosystem could be a better/easier user experience compared to mix and match, especially when just starting out.
@AremagosYT with a wheel stand I recommend the p500 the Moza and Fanatec ones require more force to push down on pedals that could cause flex in your wheel stand. Also the seating angle will be more suited to the p500 using a wheel deck. Bonus like you say is that all SiMagic gear will only be running one bit of software 🙌🏼
@@TheSimCircuit thanks a lot!
Do you think switching to an entry'ish complete rig (like playseat trophy) would be a big upgrade to using a wheelstand and a better experience accordingly? I'm not worried about the base and wheel but pretty unsure about consistent breaking inputs and feel. With the current deals it would be about 200€ more for me.
@@AremagosYTwhen looking for rig the most important thing is trying to get as little movement in pedals when pushing down, a wheel stand might have more play in pedal deck plus making sure your office chair does not move about is always tricky. I do not have allot of experience with play seat but as general rule of thumb a rig should be the better of the 2 choices. Rig will also feel more impressive and could elevate the enjoyment you get from sim racing. Lots of deals on at the moment it's great.
Keep in mind rigs are not easy to store away and it becomes a hassle if you need to move it to and from your desk every time you want to use it 🤷🏼♂️
the more i see these getting reviewed the smaller they keep looking. as you say they look perfect for an older child. but maybe they would be better inverted, with the faces adjusted, for a bigger person.
So my shoe size is UK 11 and if my heel rest on pedal tray then my toes stick over the pedal faces. Basically I either have to angle/move your heel down to use toes or just use ball of your feet otherwise. But yes although they are by no means uncomfortable to use an extra inch would have been perfect 😉
Awesome video dude. Pedals look very nice for the money. I will not be buying them tho. Iv just got a set of P2000 absolutely love them 👍🏻
Thanks for watching matey, the P2000 are fantastic 🤩
I'm pretty new to sim racing and I just picked up the t598 thrustmaster I was wondering can you pair different bands with other pedals? Thanks who answers
Hi matey if you are playing on pc then yes you can basically use any pedals as you can plug them directly into PC or wheel base, you can mix and match brands no problem. If however you are playing on console then you can't just use any pedals because you can't connect pedals directly to a console, the pedals would need to be connected to a wheel base that has console support & the pedals plugs into the wheel base then the wheelbase is connected to your console. Hope that makes sense but feel free to give me a shout if you need more info 😘
@TheSimCircuit thank you so much for the information!!!
No problem 😉 I seen videos about the t598 looks to be a good bit of kit 👍🏼
@TheSimCircuit I'm loving it so far I came from a t150
you sound extremely south african love the ascent
I am extremely South African 😂 thanks for watching 🙌🏻
That's just my luck to order the simjacks UT from across the world just to have these simagics be released 2 days before delivery 🤦🤣
Yea bit unlucky, I do have the simjack UT pedals and even though i have only used them briefly I can say don’t worry they are amazing for the money also 🙌🏻
Simjack UT are amazing for price l have simagic haptics fitted to mine came within 2 weeks to uk only paid about 200 with vat that also includes 2 haptic hpr-neo so for me still would be better option just made my own foot plate from wood and got 3 pedal option from simjack with no extras. Happy Racing
Nice video! Two questions, are the extra springs/the bullet included with the pedals or are they separate? Also, is it worth spending the extra bit of money to get the hpr-neos over no haptics?
Edit: I rewatched and it looks like it does come with the springs 😂
As someone with the p1000s, the haptics have actually helped me get faster. So for the price, they're an absolute steal.
The springs and bullets ( you get 3 ) are included yes. Personally what I suggest is get the original hpr for brake pedal and the Neo for throttle. I would skip the clutch haptic 🙌🏻
100% this 👆🏼
@@TheSimCircuit thanks for the reply! For the haptics, what all do I need to buy to have them work on the p500s? Just the reactor, or with power supply/control box?
Looks like g pro pedals with a few improvements
I would say this is a very good assessment yes 🙌🏻
Is P500 pedal set up Sigma conveter for ps5?
I am not sure, hopefully someone will comment here if it is or not 👍🏻
@@TheSimCircuit Thank you for your answer. Have a nice day.
How do they compare to the simsonn?
They are very different pedals the SimSonn pedals are for rig only they also have allot more adjustability, the SimSonn’s now also come with better elastomers the elastomers in the kit i had was my biggest problem. The brake on the p500 is more accurate imo and pedals move with less friction and feels smoother.
Honestly if I had to pick I would probably for my self pick the SimSonns because I like a shorter travel on the pedals and the p500 have a long travel although I love how accurate the brakes are on the p500 I do like a brake pedal that feels like a brake pedal and will probably sacrifice a bit of performance my self for realism.
I don’t like the SimSonn baseplate the p500 one is super clean hiding away all wires and that is a big plus for me as I hate seeing lots of wires.
It’s a very hard choice to be fair this is best I can help 🤦🏼♂️
better than Fanatec Clubsport pedals v3??
Been a very long time since using my V3 the brake on the p500 will be more accurate but don’t think it’s worth selling your v3’s
There beating MOZA at there own game. And friction was word you were looking for
Yes 100% friction is the word I was looking for 😂. Moza brings out products every other week so be interesting to see if they will be competing 🤔
nice Vid. I believe these are good pedals, but on all pictures it look like it's not made for people with tall feet.
For me they were ok I am a UK size 10 but my toes were going over the paddles, definitely would have been nicer if they were that bit taller thou 👍🏻
ar these an upgrade from the tlcm?
I have never used tlcm pedals so can’t say matey both have a 100kg loadcell, from what I can see from looking online at the tlcm I would say the SiMagic ones will be better build quality but I even if the p500 are an upgrade I don’t think it will be a massive upgrade for you 🤷🏼♂️