Dual Sport PSA: I'm DONE buying this HORRIBLE Tire Type
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- The "50 50" dual sport tire type is so bad I decided I finally had to make a video rant.
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Sorry guys, I know I'm wading into a topic that can be controversial here in the dual sport community. Ride what you ride and enjoy what you use! But as for me... I'm done with 50 50 tires and I thought I'd finally share why. Hopefully this saves others the pain, money, and time I've lost with these tires which I feel are a flawed design from the getgo. Here are the tires I'm using and am happy with:
Kenda 270 Rear: everideadv.com/k270
Tusk Dsport Front: everideadv.com/dsport
Don't forget the Ultra Heavy Duty Tubes (I've never had a flat with these!)
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It gave me an excuse to rant about you so I'm all good.😁
Love this - and yes - TIRES MATTER. I run 80/20 & 90/10 dirt/street tires anymore - and yes I ride to work and to trails on these. Happy to only get 2K miles if it keeps me safe. Disagree with the Tusk front in Midwest terrain. Love the MotoZ Enduro IT & Desert HT
Nothing to apologize for here. I thought it was a very fair assessment and rather mild for a “rant.” 😜 Thanks for the video Tyler!
Would you still recommend them for a large bike like the Africa twin?
I use my DRZ 400 as daily transportation, it's truly a 50/50 on and off road bike for me. My question is, would I have issues running a heavy duty tube when I'm on the road. I heard that they can blow up from heat from extensive on road use. Don't know how true that is.
Preach. Totally agree. I'd rather buy a dirt tire for a dirt bike and slow down on the paved sections than be picking myself and the bike up more often offroad.
Tusk D-Sports are all I run on dual sports these days. I've had great luck with them and they actually last pretty long. I know you know this, Tyler, but for anyone else who might be wondering they're a great way to go.
They’re a great knobby tire for the pavement, but on the dirt I ride in, I don’t have confidence with the front DSport. I kept the rear but swapped the front to a Shinko MX216 and found that to be a good combination for me. The only time a rear tire has doubled the life of a front tire, though.
Love those tires! Very affordable with great performance!
@@jwaller1327 yeah the front sucks
I tell people buy the tire best suited for where you need it most, where you push it the hardest.
Any tire you buy will involve compromise. Where do you want to compromise?
You will never get the best of both worlds. Pick the world you want it to be the best in.
Love your videos Tyler!
Agree! On my King of MOTOS race rental bikes, customers ask if they should have a more sand oriented hill climb tire or a rock boulder bashing tire…and I simply ask em, do you struggle more in the wide open hill climbs or the boulders piles? Get the tire that compensates the worst part of you…just like our significant partners do 😂
100 % agree. I ride 80% on road but fit my bike with 90% dirt tyres because I don't care about mileage or road performance , I want tyres that do the business where I most enjoy riding. Pavement is a necessary evil to get to where the ride really starts.
@@coochb945 I'm the same way
100% agree. Buy the tire that helps most when you the most help.
The best road tire pushed too hard on the road makes makes for a crash. The best enduro tire pushed too hard in the dirt makes for a fall.
Match your tires to most of your ride, and for that 10% you’re riding something else, dial it back a bit.
Great video, great discussion! - 60 year bike veteran.
Exactly. Iv covered this topic many times, and nobody listens. Slap their 90/10 tires on, then dont want to ride their dual sport on the road. So now they have a 300lb bike that isnt good in the dirt or road.
Since the comments are mostly opinion, here's my setup on the KLR650- rear= Dunlop 606, front= Pirelli MT21. I super happy with this setup and it has great traction on both dirt and pavement. My opinion for my riding style 😊
i ran that combo on my drz it seemed to have a bit more headshake at 65+ on gravel then the d606 front does but both start to wobble, maybe i should ride slower lmao
@@daves3016 i put glass ballance beads in the front tube and it helped quite a bit, at least on the highway.
Pirelli is a great, often overlooked, dualsport tire.
K270/ 244 are the true 50/50. I ride similar terrain here in Arizona. Not perfect, but they do well in everything from canyon roads to deep gravel washes. Never felt unpredictable to me
Had 244s on my DR650. Held up on the dirt. Hard enough for about 4k of freeway commuting. And could keep up with sport bikes in the twisties. Wwnt to a more road like tire for commuting since I didn't ride dirt as much as I thought and those were the set that caused me to wash out on pavement. Going back to 244s when this set goes.
I've been riding D606 front and rear on my WR250 including highway rides to Oregon. They have held up great too. They are so good in the dirt, sand and mud.
People are very aspirational in their purchases in this realm. Like buying a diesel truck to tow a camper thrice a year, many people plan tire choices to consider extreme scenarios they may only see once or twice a year. They then sacrifice 90% of their riding for 10% scenario. What is a dual sport machine but a compromise so it doesn't surprise me that so many tire compromises dominate the discussion. Thanks for offering some light on this problem. I agree enough that a dual wheel/tire package is probably the only way for me to enjoy my machine. Even the best compromise tires get torn up after a few pavement rides making them weak at best, dangerous at worst off road. Real bummer but there is no free lunch in traction.
I totally agree with you.I ride a 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F and a 2017 KTM 1090 R in a variety of off-road conditions in Colorado. I only ride full dirt tires, and although my pavement rides to the trails are ridden at lower speeds, my off-road performance keeps me feeling safe. I work as a sports medicine chiropractor/acupuncturist/massage therapist, and I really have compassion for the injuries you mentioned. Thanks for the Kove videos, I am looking forward to your report of findings after you ride yours!
Totally agree, I used d606s on my DRZ and they were okay on the road but terrible in mud. Even when aired down the back end would slip out without warning. Moved to a soft enduro tire and it made a world of difference offroad
I like to have a second set of wheels so you can easily change between 100% dirt tires and the 70/30 tires.
I love the idea of having a set of super moto wheels to swap to for street use and then really good dirt tires on the normal wheel set for off-road days. Haven’t pulled the trigger yet though because I don’t know if I’ll keep my current bike long enough to make it worth it
Any tyre is a compromise. So choose the right tyre for your ambitions. I'll take a 50-50 tyre (Heidenau Ranger) on my old Transalp 600 for 3,000 miles of offroad Romania. But we avoid extreme tracks and hope for sunny weather, not a mudfest ;-) Enjoy your hot summer, Günter/Nürnberg
I just installed the shinko 244 on my front today, they didn't have a rear one in stock so I went with the kenda k270 for the rear, happy to see this video mentioning them both I also have a dsport for the rear as a backup tire
For a similar reason I got rid of my dual sport and Tenere 700 and am only riding my KTM 300. Everything else was a compromise and there’s nothing like the 300 trail riding with gummy tires and bib mousses. I’d rather be in my air conditioned truck after a 6 hour ride than sitting on my bike burning up tires on asphalt.
This spring I was doing a bit more road riding so I switched my motoz tractionator Enduro I/T rear back to a d606. It was okay for the spring because there was nice dirt here, but once it dried out I seriously can't WAIT to put my motoz back on. Sure it's really loud on the road but in the dirt it's just so worth it.
I've liked the Shinko 804/805 Big blocks. But the terrain/surface is very different in VA. They are great for gravel/ crappy pavement. Which is what most of the ADV riding around here is. Hitting the trails or anything more serious, my DRZ has straight up dirt tires or maybe TUSK DS.
Also way wetter than here in AZ/UT, I was out in Virginia last month and completely forgot how slicker the roads are there with how much longer rain lays on the road there. Within a within a few hours the roads are completely dry from the heat with a new layer of thin dust lol
I think a major factor that people aren't thinking about with tires is the weight of their bike (and themselves) and the mechanical grip that gives you. Aside from tread patterns actually changing from tire size to tire size for certain brands, the same tires are going to work differently for a WR250R vs a R1200GSA.
My point here is that you likely can get away with more on a heavier bike specifically with traction (if you're doing your part), especially on the road.
i like the shinko price on my 1150gs. i just need to get a big sipe cutter and split the rear blocks in half
Thank you Tyler! I’m shopping for dual sport tires right now. God bless you brother, I’ll take a ride with you soon from your website.
I’m using fifty fifty tires right now
Big thing to keep in mind that 50 50, 70 30 etc. etc. are all just marketing terms. There's no standard to determine what a 50 50 truly is.
Dunlop calls the TrailMax Mission a 50 50. It isn't. Continental calls the TKC 80 a 40 60 and Shinko calls the 804/805 combo a 40 60. Those are both questionable (I love the 804/805)
The Dunlop D606 is one of the few tires whose marketed dirt/street use ratio is marketed somewhat accurately.
I run most of my tires on big bikes over some pretty aggressive terrain and they do well, but I'm also accustomed to it. If you're going from riding a super grippy/aggressive tire, to a less grippy, aggressive tire, your riding habits are going to be different and likely won't be conducive to maintaining good sidewall bite/grip, especially in loose stuff. On the whole I agree that a "50 50" tire is a bad idea on a proper DualSport, but then again a 606 is equally bad on a midweight ADV bike at 75-80mph for 400 miles to get to the start of an intended destination. It's all about finding what works best for you, and since your backyard is basically a desert playground, a more aggressive tire definitely makes the most sense. Rubber side down and heal fast.
Agree, heck I rode around the country on a 70/30 Motoz. They work great on the pavement and you have all the traction you need on the dirt. Motoz Dual Venture and Adventure all the way. Rallz are fantastic as well.
Ive been thinking of putting a motoz dv on the front of my dirt bike.
I’ve got one on my adventure bike and like it, but not sure if it would be aggressive enough on my SWM 300
@RealHooksy for the little bikes a Rallz would probably be better. The DV is damn good though.
I've had good luck running the Maxxis Desert IT/Maxxcross IT for dual-sport use. Great off road and handle just as well on road as any DOT knobby tire. They hold up pretty well on pavement too.
I can't remember the model, but way back in the day I used to always buy this one particular Cheng Shin model out of a JC Whitney catalog to put on my (now) vintage Japanese Enduro's. It looked a lot like that Shinko you have there only wider spacing between the lugs. Loved those tires for on/off road.
Yes, I always used something close to a 50/50 on the back but a full DOT knobby on the front. I have seen a number of buddies loose the front end going around a turn on gravel roads. On a dual-sport a good front tire is more important than a good rear - actually this is true with any motorcycle.
Totally agree! Tusk D-sport you showed at the end is the most street tire i'll run.
I’m with you man, after my Dunlops, that I only got 1450 miles & put on Tusk D-sports on & already have 2200 on them & still think I have 1000 more to go on them. Pretty impressed with the performance & value. $120 blew me away
My worst 4 (lingering bodily damaging) accidents happened on my CRF300L, going at a good clip, running D606 rear, MT21 front. My other 8 accidents, where I did NOT get hurt badly were on the Africa Twin, going a bit slower, more carefully, of course, and running Dunlop Trailmax Missions (an 80/20?). So, from this, I surmise that the most recommended knobbies in the CRF300L Facebook group, could not save me from myself.
Dunlap D606 wasn't totally horrible on my Suzuki DR650. I've done High Desert OHV areas and commuted to work. Just bad life span. Definitely not as good as my true off road knobbys, but I didn't expect them to be. I went with Mitas 07 Dakar for my Tiger 900 Rally Adventure Bike. Those are not that great off road, pretty good on road, but I don't ride that bike aggressive off road.
I am new at this ridding my bike outdoors. I have a DR-650 I run most on trails, sand -mud combinations. What would be a good set of tires for this bike?
Thanks in advance for your help.
Shinko 525s
I agree! Doing any off road where you remotely push it, you need something more aggressive. Also I used the same combo the 244 and the tusk dsport worked great for me
I'm glad I'm not the only one who dislikes the Bridgestone AX41. I was not impressed at all after all the hype surrounding their launch.
Motoz Tractionator Enduro S/T (not the I/T). I’ve been using them for 5+ years. Amazing huge knobbies which are stacked in a way which makes them surprisingly smooth on road. The S/T model stands for Soft Terrain and makes the tire last much much longer than the I/T (intermediate terrain). I’ve raced these tires in NETRA enduro and turkey run events with extremely technical terrain. I would suggest everyone try them at least once because they are the best I’ve found in terms of gnarly grip with good dual sport road handling.
That's what I've got too. I'm pretty impressed with the Motoz Tractionator on the rear wheel of my Surron Ultra Bee. I'm almost 100% off-road though. I've no need for on-road or DOT approved tires. I'm trying to get the front version of it now. but it's hard to find in 70/100-19 in Mongolia. I'll have to import another brand with similar off-road capabilities.
@@martinfoster5163 Even with their DOT approval I feel they could be sold as non DOT easily. But I don’t know enough about tires to make that determination. All I know is everyone who sees them is surprised they’re road legal.
I've got a Shinko 244 front and a D-Sport rear right now that I'm running. The rear is about worn out at this point, but I think I'm gonna stick with an aggressive knobby on the rear and still have plenty of life on the Shinko front. I bought the Shinko when I was riding a lot more road before I bought a dedicated street bike. Now that my dual sport riding is more 50/50 on/off-road, when it does come time to replace the front, I'll go with an aggressive front again. Yeah, the tread life sucks on a knobby front, but it's nice to have the peace of mind and stability when it gets a bit tricky on the trail. Nothing worse than a front tire washing out on you and hitting the dirt hard!!! I'm sure almost all of us have been there. I will say, I am impressed with the Shinko front though and how well it does on regular gravel and dirt. Wouldn't dare take it in the mud though!
Sprained my ribs on a dirt road corner shooting one of my latest videos while “burning off” a set of 50/50s that were on a DRZ I bought off my friend a few months back. I feel every word of this video. I should have just swapped the brand new tires off my old bike the second I bought the new one. Cheers to waking up screaming in the middle of the night because you rolled over in your sleep! 🍻
This is very helpful, I really needed to hear this right now as I am shopping for tires for my new CRF300L and this makes so much sense... Changed the way I think about dual sport tires! Thank You for putting this out there.
My theory is that the big block tires Tyler doesn't like are only best for big heavy bikes. They have stiffer sidewalls that need big loads to force them to conform to the riding surface. My favorite combo for DR650s was Kenda K270 rear and IRC TR8 for the front. Dunlop D606s that came on a WR250R worked well for adventuring and lasted a long time on that light (for adventuring) bike.
The IRC TR8 front is my secret weapon. That's a very good tire combo in my experience for most dual sport rides. More gnarly rides and I go with Kenda K760 front and back. They're great, but don't last long.
I appreciate the tire recommendations. I'm looking for my dr soon.
I have a dr650 with the adventure tires it came with. The most noticeable 'feature' is when you lean them over.
Having just ridden a bunch of mx style bikes (light off-road with me on them), when you lean them an/or intentionally slip the rear a little, you slip a little, then there is this biting edge re-engagement that claws it's way back into traction.
*The adventure tires have none of that.* If you lean them over and they start to slip, there is no edge bite traction regain. They keep slipping and it gets rapidly worse. (yes, I did experiment and push them to see how they behaved, and apparently how the dirt tastes)
My advice: whatever compromise-tire you are considering, get something that people are rating well for it's leaned-over edge traction.
For example, I'm looking at comparable tusk and Shinko tires to replace the trash tires on that DR.
*_For the models reviewed_* head to head, the tusk were half the price but 80% life, a good bargain. But the Shinko's were noted as riding better at lean, having higher traction there and more smoothly/predictably transitioning past traction and back into traction.
I consider that up-sale a worthwhile safety investment, considering my lacking rider skill. If I was broke, either of those would be a huge gain vs street side profile tires.
I have tkc80s and I'm OK with the rear. The front is bad, but the rear is adequate for what I do. Besides I just put just under 6k miles on them and only just replaced the rear. The front is still going.
I'm shocked at how much grip I get with Shinko 705s off road, everywhere except mud. If I'm only doing dirt, I put my extra wheel set on loaded with Kenda Track master 2. IMHO, these are excellent values.
MotoZ Tractionator Desert H/T, has work great for me. They are noisy on the street, but offroad they hook up. I'm with you losing traction when you need it, usually does not turn out well. Thanks for sharing.
Broke my collarbone with Mitas E09 on the 690 enduro last week. It was a dirt road without any difficulty. Never again!
I'm at 2800 miles on my Tusk Dsport front and rear. I'm pretty happy with them!
Literally just mounted my rear lastnight lol man it was stiff lol glad to hear people like them
The rear is fine, I hate the front though. Washes out pretty bad on my 525
The tusk dsport front is the worst in my opinion too stiff and washes out in gravel the shinko 216 or golden tire is so much better that's just what I have experienced..and
Goldentyre 216 aa is the best front tire I’ve used.
@@TheJumpn I have the shinko version on 2 of my bikes and love them..a little loud on pavement lol but didn't buy them for pavement
Agreed. I feel like no more than a voting member with the Tusk DSport front tire in the sand. I really liked the MX216. I just got a Kenda Trackmaster front tire I’m giving a try. If it’s not good I’ll go back to the 216. I have no complaints about that tire for what I use it for.
Fun Fact: I too had my front tire wash out on me on a fire road which resulted in broken ribs. Now... I might have been jumping off a water bar but hey that is irrelevant :). But yea - I know what you mean. Definitely not a fan anymore. For general dual sporting I've also gone back to a semi-aggressive front and a good old Shinko 244. Good combo which is inexpensive and gives pretty solid performance.
i just broke a rib last weekend riding in the black hills, you mention broken ribs in this video, you should do an injury episode, how you got hurt and the healing process
I have enjoyed the Tusk Dsport tires on my Honda 450l. They have taken me everywhere and are a great value.
You're gonna get alota heat for this Tyler, but good point. Very few 50/50 front tires are half decent in deep sand, most certainly, the ones with lags in the row pattern are not
I am running street legal Dunlop D606 (10/90) front and rear on my DRZ400s, and they work great for me here in interior Alaska (glacial silt and rocks off road). They are not made for speed on pavement though, but the paved roads up here are crap anyway so going much over 60 on them is not recommended just because of road conditions. But for me I spend more time on dirt roads and trails than on pavement so these are my best option at present.
I have run a shinko 244 rear 5.10x18 and a Dunlop at81 on a Honda Xr650r from Mexicali to Cabo and back . Tire psi was 20 front and rear . Bridgestone Hd tubes . No problems except for 1 nail. Prefer to run an aggressive non dot tire on front for good steering.
I just learned this the hard way. Bought a set of shinko 244's because i was tired of the way the off road knobbies ran on the road. I dumped the bike in the gravel a week later because i didnt have the traction i was used to. I now have a nice new piece of titanium screwed into my shoulder.
Those battle axe and tkc I would consider to be more 30/70 dirt/road. In my opinion the Kenda 270 and Shinko 244 are a 50/50 tire.
I actually loathe the Tusk D sport front, the rear is far better than it has any business being but that front wanders more than a child at a buffet.
Ditto. The front D-Sport doesn’t look very confidence inspiring. I’ll stick to my MT21 front. I’ve been using them since 1996
Man, I absolutely hated them on my Tenere 700. They were the worst, whenever they lose traction they seek from left to right. I'm running a K60 ranger on my dr650 "50/50" bike and it works much better. I feel like the big factor on the AX41 is that they have clear open no lug area across the width if that makes sense. In 4 wheelers this allows you to kick the rear out as needed, not really what we need on wet rocks while one a bike.
I contemplated 50 50 tires recently for my DRZ, i ride mostly gravel and forest roads, D606 front and rear currently and i can see that 50 50 tires would probably cause me to wreck so many times if i hadnt the traction of the knobbies.
Kenda - K760. Probably my favorite all around tire, but it is a 90%/10% tire. They wear reasonably on hardpack, but asphalt it's a bit rough on them. The price however is very fair so going through them isn't a huge deal.
Did you brake your ribs and back using AX41s?
I have the Bridgestone’s on my NX 250 and ride mostly gravel and blacktop an they do great for me , my complaint is they wear super quick. But these are the only tire with knobbies I can get in my size so I am stuck.
The big problem with the "50 50" tires is that the performance is inconsistent. Every tire of this type I've used has hooked up decently well in a straight line, but whenever I leaned the bike over to steer I felt like I was throwing some dice to see if the tire maintained traction consistently or instantly threw me to the floor.
I think this is the reason you see a lot of novice dualsporters dropping to first gear for every corner, or looking silly riding with their legs outstretched.
I agree 1st-hand. If you look at the tires everride hated, they stop having knobs way far from the edges, so the edge transition is rapidly off knobs onto smooth. An MX tire has aggressive knobs sticking out and when leaned over those knobs stick out and claw traction.
There are dual purpose tires that have good edge knobs, but you have to specifically look for that.
I have always bought tires for the worst case conditions, and think of them as wear parts. I also use premium gas, top notch oil, etc. but those are more debatable. I think of it as insurance.
I would much rather get 1500 perfect miles from a 150 dollar tire than feel insecure for 3000 miles on an 80 dollar tire.
For lower speeds and almost entirely dirt, lighter bikes should also at least consider trials tires, especially if you like to lower the pressure sometimes to increase traction. The tread on them is designed to spread out like a wide strip of velcro. Wear out like bubblegum on the highway though...
Cheers,
THE
I used at81 on the highway for 5 hours straight hitting turns at 75-80 mph and leaning pretty hard in the rain at those speeds maybe a little less and they did fantastic.
I'm new to riding and this has helped sway much future tyre choice
Oh man, shots fired against the TKC80! Those are widely regarded as a holy grail tire that work great both on and offroad at the expense of longevity. I'd agree that offroad they grip to a point, then let loose pretty spectacularly, but they're still an adventure bike tire that doesn't really make sense on a dual sport. I was thinking you were about to crap on all 50/50 tires entirely, but was relieved to see you gave props to the K270/244 tires, which I feel are "true" 50/50 tires, and I've gone through several sets in a lot of different terrain myself. Overall, I think you're right about not putting adventure bike tires on dual sports, which is what I'd consider the real problem here.
I’d think it’s pretty obvious you shouldn’t run a 50/50 tire on a dirt bike or dual sport. I didn’t even know they made them in small bike sizes. I run the Bridgestone AX41 on my ADV bikes and it’s my absolute favorite! Also, I don’t think I’ve ever blamed my crashes on a tire type. That’s a little low.
I always do the most aggressive dot tire possible. I'd rather change them more often. Kenda millville 2 up front, Trackmaster out back. Front last a while on road to be honest. About 1700 miles combined on the front and still not bad.
Love my Shinko 244's. The side lugs are tied in to the sidewall. The Kenda 270's fold when leaning in hard, the Shinko 244 will hold the grip.
Good to know, as I'm currently looking at both of those options. With a heavy dr650, I'd expect the stiffer tie in to work well.
Awesome share! Thanks T
I ran the Sedona tire after thousands of miles of BDRs on my XR650L with 50/50 IRC GP1 tires. I crashed going 30 mph because the side lugs failed on the street. My position is that you can make up for inadequacies in the tires in the dirt, but you can't make a dirt bike tire good on the street. So for a dual sport, I won't be running anything more aggressive than a D606 again.
Man i had 50/50’s on the old klx and that thing was always on top of me. I had mx tyres on the drz and in my ktm. No problems at all with those.
I rode dual spot and only use 90/10 dirt tires. I never have traction issues on road with dirt tires. But I've definitely had lots of close calls offroad with 50/50 tires..
Have your tryed the dunlop trailmax raid ??
I used to run dunlop 606's or pirelli mt21's on my dual sports even tho I spent most of my time on the road, when I was off road it was wet/slippery and I needed good tires.
Shinko 244's front and rear on my DRZ. I don't ride super aggressively and they last a decent amount of time for the money. I do my own wheel work and they spoon on and off nicely too.
Thanks for this explanation. Very useful!
No one talks about IRC Battle Rally TR8s but I’ve been very happy with mine on my CRF250L. They hook up in the dirt and they have good pavement manners.
It's much easier to find the limit of a street bias tire on the dirt than a dirt bias tire on the street. I try to tell people to buy a tire based on the worst conditions they plan on riding.
I agree, I don't really want to find out what the limits of my front knobby tire are around a corner at 40mph+. I'd far rather intentionally overcook a little at 5-15mph.
...but if you are wearing decent street protection, you are more likely to walk away from most street accidents unscathed.
Oh yeah, tires discussion... I love it... why? Because you have to love the tire you just purchased. Factors like cascade and compound does no matter... love is the key!!!
I love:
Duro DM 1153 110/80/18
Duro DM 1155 80/100/21
because they work good and they are cheap... to change them often really suck.... 😊
R U by *any* chance in touch w\ Kyle Bradshaw? same question about MOTOZ tires brand?
Just crashed my (now sold) 1190r in Moab on deep sand. Had tractionators from motoz on it. Worked great on the road and in straight lines in the dirt&sand. But......going over the middle mound, it went sideways and I flopped it into sage brush and cactus.
I totally agree with you. Another great rider, Chris Birch, doesn't do 50/50 - he spends whatever he can on the best off-road tires and uses them until they need to be replaced. He calls the the use of tires "Fun Units" and you have to spend FUs so you might as well do it with something dedicated to the purpose rather than half-a##ing it.
Dunlop D606 is the ONLY tire I’ve used on my many Dual sports I’ve owned over the last 12 years. Even though I live in a major city and do a lot of pavement I still do a lot of off-road. D606 does it all well.
FYI the Tusk DSport will kill you!! I’m 53 years old, ride a T7 hard, I installed the DSport and crashed twice in the first month. Once on pavement, and once on a gravel road at 65 mph. I crossed over the center gravel hump and the front washed out right before a curve. I cracked the throttle to step the rear out but the front never grabbed before going down.
I’ve had it happen three other times, but didn’t crash. I’ve had the back step out nine times on the pavement. I wasn’t doing anything differently than I would have on MotoZ RallZ. The only thing I found the Dsport any good at is dry fire roads. The RallZ is my go to tire now.
Don’t push that Dsport too hard unless it’s dry dirt. On gravel and pavement run a slower speed than normal.
For the Dunlop Trailmax Missions on my ADV, they are fantastic on the dirt, decent in sand, really not great in mud. But I rarely ride in mud. These tires last forever! The newer Trailmax Raid 40/60 tires look very promising too.
Had the exact opposite experience with these by far the worst tires I've ever ridden. That front is complete and utter garbage.
@@ccarmean85 Curious, what bike did you have them on and what pressures did you run for off-pavement?
@alanosborne1888 16ish psi had them on my super tenere. They are a 70/30 tire at best maybe 80/20 is the honest number. The front washed out so many times I stop riding it on dirt.
@@ccarmean85 Interesting, definitely different from my experience. Admittedly, I'm not a hard core off-pavement rider but I'm also not a newbie. However, my Honda CB500X is a much lighter bike and I run the stock tire pressure (39 back, 29 front) at all times. I've found the TMMs to be very planted and predictable, although the rear is definitely better than the front.
Well i have to be honest Tyler....i swore by your Kenda K270. This was your old goto tire....yes i have followed you that long. Which for the money, as long as you bought the 4.5 wide, was actually my most ever bought tire. But, a few years back, i discovered MotoZ Desert HT...fan-fricken-tastic. Will push a loaded DRZ through deep snow like its dry grippy dirt. Front tires suck due to the wobble effect they are known to create at 60mph. But now, i run MotoZ desert H/T on the back, and the MotoZ adventure tire on the front...no speed wobbles. So yes, i agree with you whole heartedly. Yes, they cost more and you get less miles, but damn they grip the dirt like sticky race slicks grip the pavement.
I went with a Dunlop D605 this time instead of the dsports. they are really decent for a 50-50 biggest difference I noticed is increased off- road stopping distance. But much better on road manners. T
Nice. Hope they treat you well. I'll probably try them next myself. I followed a guy on a pretty rugged trail with d605s and he just plodded along. They seem to stay pretty straight through the mud and just fine everywhere else. Just have to dial back the off-road speed a bit. I'm good with slowing down and enjoying the sites as the years go on. Enjoy
Mate they're big block knobs on the rear which is fine for big ADV bikes and also it depends heaps on what pressures you're running. I must admit those tyres look like rubbish take a look at the Motoz Rallz they're pretty sweet rear tyre and also the Motoz Enduro H/T front tyre I run that combo on my KTM 690R Enduro and a Motoz Enduro S/T F-Rear on MY19 WR450F they go really well. I normally run the front at around 15-17 psi and the rears between 14-16 psi Offroad. I'm running a Pirrelli Rallycross rear on the 690R Enduro at the moment and its doin a similar thing to that ADV tyre you were running. Happy Trails Brother
Personally I’m on my second rear for the shinko E805 804. Yes they don’t last long. I got 2500-3000 mi. Highway and forest rds 1trail. And I like the results. Just stay out of mudd. I’m on a triumph tiger 850
Agree! I have AX41 and tkc80s on my 990 and it was bad for both! Over priced rich guy tires anyway!. Shinko 244 I’ve had on lots and been perfect. Tusk dual sports about to go on the WR250R.
I've had the same good experience with the 244s. Good cheap tire as long as you don't ask too much of it.
I've ridden with you at the Flying Monkey Rally on the Kenda Big Blocks. They totally suck for your terrain and in Las Vegas where I live. I love the Kenda 270 though!
Metzler MC360's med/hard. Affordable, can ride dez, single track, to the bar i mean starbucks. Had them on my Beta 500 and the lady's 350 EXC. Love em when i dont have the dunlop AT81 RC's on.
Those AX41’s are way better than Tractionator adv’s on a T700 , and Karoo4’s are even better, but they are all built for purpose, so Scorpion rally race is the one to use if you’re riding a Adventure bike in the harder stuff.
My buddy just put almost 7k miles on AX41s on his T7 and was 60/40 on road.
@@RugerM77 I’m in Australia and I did a 13000klm trip with road and dirt , the AX41 worked great at 28psi, but these Karoo4’s are great, I think they won’t last long though, Sand rock clay tarmac 👍
Kenda parker DTs have been legit and have handled 90 on the road. I love them on my fe450
18 years of riding, I'll never buy Bridgestone anything, ever. I'm very happy with anything MotoZ is making at the moment.
Correct.
I got the D-sports front and back (got a deal) for my Husky 501S. And so far they’re pretty damn good. I flog em on the pavement too
I am done too. The Dunlop 605’s are killing me, literally. Don’t buy them if you go through any mud.
I really like the MotoZ Tractionator RallZ tires I have on my Husky fe350s, they’re more dirt oriented but still DOT.
yep, i am also very disapointed about the battleaxe, wear like crazy and isnt good. The TKC 80 are dagerouis when it is cold and wet and not good offroad.
Kenda Trackmaster! I took brand new dunlops off my klx300r and put on the Trackmasters. Wow, what a difference!
Liking Kenda Parker DT’s here in Southern Nevada so far 👍🏻
I liked the shinko 244s on my DR650. I got almost 7,000 miles out of a set. Granted I was gentle with them and ran them over inflated.
Thanks for sharing your experience and expertise. So much more helpful than trying to distill the truth from researching marketing drivel.
Blaming the equipment for the crashes. My kinda guy. 👍👍🤘🤘🤘🤘🤣🤣🤣🤣
I thought the same…. Like my old dude on the racetrack.. always the tires 😹
Yep. I’ve had tires that didn’t perform well, and tires I didn’t like. But tires don’t ride the bike.
Hahaha