This being by far the best reviews of motorcycle tires available I'm wondering if a noise check should be added to the categories. In the videos Kyle always touches on this subject but I think it would be really interested to see this done with a decibel meter and then see if Kyle's feels the same when he rides. Thank you again for those great reviews.
Congratulations for what is an exceptional review. Given that tire pressure is universally recognised as having a massive impact on tire performance both off and on road. It would be interesting to take the top 3 best overall performing tires for both the 80/20 and 50/50 categories and assess the impact on performance of running them at manufacturers recommended pressures, plus at say -5% and -10%. Has the decades old best practise of airing down been impacted by the massive advances in recent years in tire technology and manufacturing process? There must be a reason that some manufactures recommend that even for off road use that the manufacturer recommend tire pressures are used.
Yes, this would be an interesting test! Great suggestion! The Motoz Tractionator Adventure tire I tested near the end... in that video it was at 36/ 38 psi at the beginning of the video and WHEW was slippery when I hit the dirt. Aired down to 30 psi... MUCH better! Now Dunlop says that the Mission tire does not need to be aired down and they recommend full pressure always. BUT... I found that the Air Down REALLY helped the tire perform. Now... mileage will be compromised... and that is the reason I think they recommend full pressures. And the K60 Scout.... Full pressure is SKETCHY off road! Even 30 psi was not enough in my opinion! Thanks for watching. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Thank you very much for this wonderful review. The tire I am looking for is a Great twisty road tire and a good performing off road tire, doesn't need to be aggressive but have grip in hill climb and straight off road like rocks and bolders; can handle mud too but not that great, more road oriented... Now I have the Metzler Karoo Street as always. It is great in Corners and scraping pegs in low and high speed maneuvers in my BMW R1200 GSA LC.
Hello, thank you. If you haven't already, take a look at our wrap up article with even more info. It may help. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
Great video, thanks. I've had quite a few different tires on my KTM 990 Adventure R over the last 100,000 km and am running as my personal favorite 80/20 the Mitas E-07. Quite surprised it's not in your selection since it holds well on and off road plus gives great mileage.
Hi Helmet, the Mitas E-07 is a good tire and we did test it. However, for this video we just covered the top three tires and for our overall results the Mitas came in 10th place. Again they are good but based on our review of performance, price, and mileage we personally found others to be better. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
Hello, glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry this was shot a long time ago and we forgot to get tire weights. But take a look at this article a little bit more information. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
@@chaparralmotorsports yes sorry for the typo. There are a lot of TH-cams about the rear Shinko delaminating or bubbling. I experienced it myself, since you sell tons of them I was wondering if you knew what percentage of them are getting complaints.
Hi James, unfortunately the Heidenaus didn't suit us well. That's not to say they are terrible tires--different riders have different needs, riding styles, and characteristics. What really matters is how they do for you and suit your needs/riding style. Thanks for watching.
Kyle just watched and was sold on the Dunlop Mission but you mentioned it is the heaviest tire. What would you recommend for a crf 250l in the 50/50 or would this still be OK. Thx
@@TheVaporous1 I'd like to believe it is because the videos are spread across so many different types of vehicles. ADV, Dirt, Street, Sport, Vintage, ATV, UTV, Trailers.... All the gear, helmets, etc... A specific "channel" for each segment of riding would "probably do better"... I think ;) Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Unbelievable superb information, answering so many question. I hope Kyle is at Chapparal when I need to get tires for my bike if not this helps tremendously. Thank you
This is by far the most comprehensive tire comparo / review since Fortnine and the MCN sport touring tire shoot-out. Still amazed the Dunlop Trailmax Mission did so well, despite its non-knobby look. Awesome work, Kyle n Chap!!!
I just found your channel and have spent the last 3hrs watching the videos, amazing footage. I have a 690 enduro, live in Australia and ride a few hours on blacktop then mostly firetrails with the odd single track thrown. What would you recommend pairing with a Motoz adventure or Rallz rear? (I hear the motoz fronts arnt the best) Thanks mate and keep up the amazing work.
You missed the Dunlop Trailsmart. I'm curious how they would fit in. However I agree with Max. By far the most comprehensive tire review done by anyone
The TrailSmart is an "un-purchased and unasked for tire" and is really more of a 90/10 rather than an 80/20. That being said, it would have given that blasted Kenda Paver Tire a run for its money! I will get a set mounted up and will give you a test of the TrailSmart tires here shortly. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Thanks for the first conclusion with the tests. Funny to hear that the K60 scout are expensive in US because in France, it's a very low cost model. One of the cheapest I can buy here. They're made in Germany, but the US importer must apply a confortable margin. On the other side, Shinko Tyres are hard to find in France.
So interesting! Prices as compared to where they are made and how they perform... Set of K60 Scout $276 and the Shinko E804/E805 are $166... but the Mitas E-10 run $352 and get like 2k miles out of a set ;) The sets of Motoz tires were above $300 too. But they do last a long time - comparatively speaking. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports To compare, my last set of K60 cost me 137€ for the front and rear tyres. It's around 145 us$. For that price, the value is great.
Sigo mirando este video Kile, y sigo sacando información 😉 Cuál sería la cubierta delantera, con más agarre para Off Road? Gracias nuevamente. Y saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Hello, thanks for watching. Take a look at the corresponding blog post. It may provide the information you are looking for. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
Team, this is a fantastic explanation, and really explores the challenges of the 'perfect' tyre. I'd appreciate some discussion on mixing tyres however as they were strictly considered as pairs (with some exceptions). For example, my ADV shop recommended a combo of Tractionator ADV rear and Scorpion Rally front. The logic is that neither set is perfectly balanced for rear and front applications. The higher wear rating on the rear means more slip - not a problem for those of us who don't mind a bit of slip angle off-road. The Scorpion front however is very soft and bites well, particularly when you weight up the front on a descent. Together, this tyre combo runs out at approximately the same time - as long as you don't burn up the Scorpion on-road. So what might improve this explanation, or simply increase its usefulness (it's already fantastic!), would be considerations for which application each tyre is more suited to for those who want to split sets.
Just came back from a 4500km mainly pavement trip. Loved the 705 front and back. Riding some gravel near home this past weekend, they felt great and hooked up well. My new favourite for 80/20.
I’ve run a few of them, and will probably put on another set. Great tire for highway, gravel and dirt road type stuff. Heavy but very puncture resistant.
Great video Kyle! Thanks for all that you do for us riders. Love the Battlaxe Adventurecross AX41 tires myself. Curious that the Mitas E0-7+ didn't warrant any comments?
Good question! The Mitas E07+ is a great 50/50 tire that fell mid pack. Mid pack made it not so talk-able for the that did really good and same with tires that did not perform so well. Kinda like the quiet kid... Overlooked a little bit. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
ive just ran through my first set of K60 Scouts on my DR650 and because its only a 130 rear tire there is no center belt. that version of the scout is the best road tire ive ever ridden (even better than the pirelli diablo rosso 2 i had on my supermoto before). no matter if 20 degrees in the winter or 100 in summer, there was always superb grip and they are very transparent so you feel exactly what theyre doing. wet onroad grip was superb too. even when riding quickly in the twisties they never slid or slipped just like a real rain tire. offroad performance was relatively good as long as it was dry. in the mud they turned into racing slicks in no time. i got around 4500 miles out of the rear (mostly on road with mixed riding) but after 50% tread wear it was just trash in the dirt like a road tire.
Wow, this was so useful and informative Kyle. I am getting into ADV riding this spring and my Norden 901 arrives this week :) I was glad to see the stock Scorpion Rally STR's did well on your review as I will definitely be an 80/20 rider. What astonished me more is just how little mileage motorbike tires give you!! That was a huge eye opener to me (shock).
Glad it was helpful! Some people will get more or less mileage out of their tires depending on how they ride, terrain they ride, and their bike setup (luggage). Thanks for watching.
Nice Kyle thanks for this! I'm running the E07+ on my 1190 Std. I love them but the front washes out as you pointed in one of your videos. Which front tire would you recommend to pair with the E07+ rear?
I bet it's been a while since the TKC80 hasn't appeared on a top [x] video. It just goes to show the advancements in the industry. Especially for the Dunlop Mission tyre to make a podium finish on it's first try.
Yeah right!? I tell you .... I tried EVERYTHING to attempt to get the Mission tire to be really what it looks like, an 80/20 tire. BUT, it really did perform and it performed really really well. Pretty nuts. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Yes, that was the interesting part of this test. It really was done tire-by-tire... over the same course. Watching each test back it really is crazy to see how different each of the tire did in each segment. Now... the TKC80 is still a fantastic tire, and it has it's place in the market but there are no SO MANY options that really cater to specific riding styles. Take for example that Avon TrailRider - what a NEAT tire! And the Karoo Street... I'd rock that if I were doing mostly street! But... who needs a street tire if the Dunlop TrailMax mission "feels like a street tire" and handles off road too. Nuts... Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I've ridden about 5K miles on Avon Trailrider tires mounted on my Zero DSR. After trying Kenda K761 / Pirelli MT-60 / Conti Trail Attack 2 / Mitas E07. I ABSOLUTELY love the Avon Trailrider tires. Sure, they aren't great in sand or mud, but with enough throttle they will get through it. But if you like carving turns and blasting dirt roads / 2-tracks, they are fantastic. So predictable even in rain, cold, etc...
@@itchypalm36 i run tkc80s and they carve pretty dang good. i've scraped pegs plenty. the rear does wear quick though, so something else would be required.
Kyle your the man. Great review and info! The Trailmax Mission tire weight surprised me. Seems like that extra weight contributes to the coverall scoring. Just installed a pair on my 2017 Vstrom 650. With my expected 70/30 use....can't wait to rack up the miles and enjoy my new purchase. Thanks
Awesome choice Rory! Please follow up with your feelings on the Mission tire after you burn (ever so slowly) through it. I really liked it on the V-strom 650 that I rode at the press launch. I think that you will get more miles than most other bikes... but only time will tell. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
2017 V-Strom 650. I've got my Anakee Adventures to finish up, then I'll be finishing up a half-used pair of E07s I took off from later last year, then trying out the Missions which I've got sitting in my garage right now. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts considering hot stiff the Missions are
Thanks so much for the great info on this subject! I am planning on trying my FJ09 in for a smaller ADV/Dual Sport this coming year. It is awesome to have some real world hard numbers to work with for tire choice. I feel tires are about the most important thing you have to buy for your bike.
Great overview! Obviously you have only little experience with cold and wet weather in your part of the world!? (Though I did see wet tarmac in your videos 🤔). Just want to add 1 experience about the Heidenau‘s performance in the wet and general. Did ride the Crosstourer for five years until last month / did trade it in for the Triumph Scrambler XE now. On the Crosstourer (35.000 miles total) I did about 12.000 miles on the Heidenau wearing down three sets. This is lower mileage than most others do - due to heavy bike, heavy rider and aggressive on road riding (not much highway though). Nevertheless those 100% street tires like Scorpion Trail or Road 5 did not last any longer with my type of riding - all the same at about 4.000 miles.. Rain and Heidenau: during a weekend (annual meeting of the german Crosstourer-Internet-Forum) I did about 1000miles on this tire in mostly heavy rain and below 50 Fahrenheit. That was an awful weather that June of 2016. Riding in groups of up to ten riders in different categories regarding speed and length of the tours I chose being with the fastest doing the longest trips every day. Doing hairpins / hills... in the Eifel (area where you find the legendary Nürburgring race track). I did learn: wow! „modern“ tires stick as well to wet tarmac as to dry. The Heidenau did perform in those wet and cold conditions - as good as any Michelin, Pirelli, Metzeler ... on the other bikes. So to have an Idea how my riding is: need new footpegs with every two sets of tires. The last tire I had on that bike was the Anakee Adventure and I must say that it did slip a lot lot lot more even in dry conditions than the Heidenau. Keep going! I really appreciate your work! Propably the most comprehensive test of tires ever! Regards, Martin
Wow Martin, thank you very much for the great insight you've provided and sharing your experience with the tires you've ridden. Yes there was some wet portions during our testing but it really was not enough to thoroughly evaluate each and every tire we tested in this series, that is why we chose not to grade wet weather traction. Again thank you for your feedback and we appreciate you watching our video. Ride safe.
Great question. One could look at our spreadsheet which has tire tread depth, tire weight, and ply make-up to see what tire would appear to have have been made with more puncture resistant materials. Interesting idea though... some sort of puncture tool that would rate what force it takes to push a nail through the tread / carcass. Hummmm.... Thanks for the idea! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports One reason I like the Shinko 244 - $100 per year. I get a lot fewer flats with new fat tires. Tread looks OK, too bad, new set every fall.
Good review, but I'd like it better if you reviewed/ranked the front and rear separately. To get decent mileage and still be able to ride sand I normally run a knobby front (TKC80) to avoid washing it out, but a less aggressive rear (E07+). Looking to upgrade the front to something a bit more aggressive, but rear traction hasn't been a huge issue.
Thank you Kyle for really thorough and exhaustive review of all the available adventure tires. Everyone is going to watch it for sure. Do you have any favorite which jumps out of you are riding to Alaska from East coast? Also, which one will you prefer for wet pavement, considering riding through rains? Thanks and RideSafe!
Thank you for watching and for your inquiry. If I were riding to Alaska I would choose the MotoZ GPS tire and I would run it in the 50/50 direction. This will give a smooth ride... will last about 10k miles and will be perfect for the amount or type of off-road that is presented. Oh... and it is a great wet weather tire. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Pretty strange to even release the test without any wet pavement or mud results. Aren't those like, the most crucial things? Maybe there's a difference in whether where you and I live but when talking about "adventure" tires you'd have to assume wet pavement safety will be of concern at some point.
Hello, these are very valid points you bring up. However, located in Southern California, consistent rain and mud is extremely difficult to come by. This was a very exhaustive test with about 25 tires that we individually tested in between keeping up with our other job responsibilities. It would have taken a lot of time and money to find a locale and the time to test all these tires adequately in all "Adventure type" conditions and terrain. We understand these tests are fully comprehensive of all the specs, info, and details of what every adventure rider wants to know, and we do apologize for that. We did the best we could with this test with the available terrain/conditions and time we had. Thanks for commenting and providing insight. Ride safe.
Looking to do the same with the tires on my '12 Wee (can't remember what they are, but they're still the factory ones as the previous two owners only put a combined 5400 miles on the bike) but looking to get the Shinko 705s because I'm cheap.
They handle well on street, terrible in gravel and the rear lasted 5500 on my DL1000. I got passed by my buddy’s C14 while wallowing around in a gravel road.
JustThaor mine were terrible. I didn’t air down because we were only doing short stints of gravel but I don’t expect to have to air down to run a gravel road.
Awesome test!!! The work that was involved was massive I’m sure. Looked like fun though. Your test results will impact my next purchase through Chap. Thanks again.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Mil 👍🏻 no serían suficientes. Excelente video. En EEUU este comparativo es importante porque tienen muchos NEUMATICOS para elegir. Pero es Sudamérica es más importante porque muchas veces no compramos lo que queremos sino lo qué hay 🤷🏻♂️ Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Oh dear, here goes another tire test that misses out on a vital part for pure adventure bikers; the tires performance under different temperatures. If any type of bike is driven all year round and in any weather it will be adventure bikes, hence a tires performance when the temperature goes below 8° Celsius is very important. You don't want to suddenly be riding around on two pieces of plastic when this happens. I am riding all year located at the 59° latitude. This means a temperature variation of -25° to +27°. Of course only the brave and fools ride below -5°, but even if skipping winter most will end up riding in temperatures between +4 to +30° if being serious about adventure riding and go places; especially if it includes altitude. Not taking this into consideration when doing these tests only gives an impression it is focused towards people who are playing around in their own backyards rather than being for global adventurers; the ones who are out there no matter what, when and wherever that might be…
Hello, thanks for taking time to watch our video and comment. You bring up a very valid point. However, in regards to our testing, logistically and financially the method and manner in which we undertook this massive test of 25 different ADV tires (the entire process took many many months), was the most practical and made the most sense for our intents and purposes. We feel there is plenty of useful information that riders can glean from these tests to help them get a better understanding as to which tire(s) might best suit their preferences/needs/ or riding style. Is this the most complete and comprehensive, end-all-be-all ADV tire test? No, and we are fine with that. But we have had more riders watch the video(s) and say they found them informative and useful than not. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Take care and ride safe.
@@chaparralmotorsports Well, maybe doing real tests is not always necessary to put forward information regarding a product and it's qualities, but you could at least take this factor in consideration when presenting tires, as well as doing the scoring. Would this be done the tires with short mileage would normally come out on top. This is your audience of course, but I am quite convinced they will very much appreciate if you, compared to the gazillion other tests out there would inform about this as well. I am not putting this forward because you made a bad test and review or anything, on the contrary it was great. I am just giving you a suggestion to make it even better and stand out from the rest. It is of course your privilege to do with it it as you do see fit...
Kyle… great comprehensive test. Thank you. On my 18’ 1200 GSA I’ve rocked the Shinko 705’s (wonderful tire) & the Motoz GPS (awesome however sketchy in the wet (painted surface)). Presently riding a ’20 1250 GSA and considering the Anakee Adventure or Trailmax Mission. Leaning towards the Adventure due to the superior handling in the wet. 70/30 riding style. Again thanks. Your dedication is truly appreciated.
Thanks for watching! Love your profile pic! If looking for wet weather performance, the Anakee Adventure is fantastic! I have worn out a set and have ridden them in all conditions. The Anakee Adventure is much less dirt oriented than the Dunlop TrailMax Mission tire - that would be the tradeoff. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@a2bwithlee Hi. On the '20 1250 gsa I went with the Anakee Adventure (22k kms). As Kyle alluded to these tires performed extremely well. Cold wet weather performance on asphalt, cement and gravel was essential. These tires were up to the task and lived up to their designed intent (80/20 may be 75/25).The only limitations wet mud. Regarding the Mission's I have no first hand experience. 🏍️✌🏼🏍️
Hi, RK, thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed the video. We made it so that people could see how the various tire handled different terrain/conditions and could then hopefully determine which tires would suit their needs/riding style best. Thanks again for watching.
@@chaparralmotorsports it helped with my final decision i got my ax41's that i bought from you guys delivered few day's ago. Generally now day is little harder to shop with all the info and Variety that is simply clicks away .
Great job! Just picked up a set of Dunlop Mission’s for my Super Tenere. Thank’s to your tire testing I think these will be the best fit for my riding style.
great reviews , watched all your reviews on tires, all of them, i ride a ktm super adventure 1290 and i just cant make up my mind between the tck70 and anakee adventure . i ride twisty fast roads and highways to get to dirt roads and mountain passes, which tire is better for twisty and highways?
Hello, we would suggest the Anankee Adventure. They outperformed the TKC70s in Twisties and Highway in our testing. Take a look here: www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
Great question Markus! Some of the 80/20 tires would have beat out some of the lower scoring 50/50 tires for sure! And vice versa... Sounds like a future video! Thanks for the suggestion. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Wow! Thank you for doing all this immensely valuable work. Is there a spreadsheet somewhere with all this data that we can download? I need tires for my KLR650. I have always run Continental TKC80 tires.
Thank you for watching Marc. Yes a downloadable spreadsheet will be available on our blog here in the upcoming week or so. Can't go wrong with either a KLR nor a TKC80! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Interesting. I can attest to the costs in Australia, and from experience the Motoz tyres are cheaper than many of the others or at least similar (Continental), probably due to import taxes here.
Yes that is a contributing factor for sure! However.. the Dunlop TrailMax Mission tire is made here in the USA and is one of the more expensive sets ;) Go figure.
@@chaparralmotorsports maybe make 2 videos for different riding styles. It was very confusing having allthe 80:20 and 50:50 in same Vid with then a bunch of tires crossing over into both categories. Also the scores on performance... really didn't seem to based on anything solid... was it more from the road or the dirt or what? Give them an offroad score and an onroad score seperatlry to see (I know u talked about that) the overall rating is top broad also as its just subjective when price and all is taken in.... and some of the end ratings just didn't make sense at all as more weight was given to certain aspects... just strange and confusing results. Have a look at one of fort nines old videos he did on adventure tires... the format is much better and clearer. Cheers
Wish we had guys like you in Australia about to do 4000ks on Australian desert , outback roads and tracks all remote , would have changed my mind based on your report . Let’s see how the E10s go thanks mate for all the work u done it benefits all of us
Thank you for your comment Don. The Motoz tires are made in Australia and are some of our favorites! Killer 50/50+ tires! The E-10's were great but they wear out quick. On my personal bike I currently have the E-10 up front and a Motoz RallZ in the rear. SWEET Combo! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I believe the Motoz are made in china but Australian owned.... but give them time, china will own them soon enough like everything else here.
Chaparral Motorsports mate did 5000 kms on desert , outback roads your right just made it home on an E10 it was over at 3000 kms it’s well and truly done now . Just picked up a tractionator adventure . When this isolation is over here it’s back to central Australia can’t beat up to 800 kms a day rides . Keep doing the testing and stay safe over there mate
Out-freakin'-standing! I'm not one to get excited about shoot-outs, but this is exceptional in every aspect. Kyle, you and the team responsible for this group of videos, and shootout, should be congratulated by every mfg in this test. Every test result was represented positively, honestly, competently and with the depth of information that we all are looking for, to make solid decisions. Seems we are all a bit different in what we want, and the depth of testing was incredibly thorough. Your, and the teams, dedication to excellence reflects greatly on Chaparral Motorsports. Cheers!
Hi ts, thank you so much for the glowing review. it really was a long process to test all these tires but it was fun and definitely worth it. Very glad to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks again, ride safe.
The one test you forgot to do that is very important for adventure riders in the middle of nowhere. How easy to remove and fit the tyres with tyre levers?
I have done the K60 Scout, the Motoz GPS, Karoo 3, Tractionator Adventure, TKC80 and the Dunlop Mission tires by hand. If you have practiced... they are all doable... that Damn K60 Scout was the worst! TKC80 was the easiest. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Great review! I run Mitas E-07+ on my BMW R1200GS. I special ordered them and brought them to my BMW dealer - who installed them. The mechanic said they were the easiest mounting "gnarly" tires he has ever put on the big GS. And he loved the ride, esp highway cornering. The dealer now carries these in stock. > @@chaparralmotorsports
Kyle, thank you for putting in all the time and thought into compiling this information. By far the most comprehensive tire review done by anyone. Now get out and enjoy the tire of your choice on something other than your “loop”!
Ha! Ha! Thanks for your suggestion Max. I will work on it ;) But now... I am stuck behind the keyboard replying to comments and questions. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
For Sure! There is a tire suited for every specific type of ride and type of rider! Pretty eye opening for sure! And... 80/20 tires that function better than 50/50 tires and the opposite. Pretty awesome. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Outstanding! Thanks for all your hard work. The ratings at the end for each performance category are especially helpful for choosing the best tire for the riding I do.
As an owner of the shinko 705's I could not disagree more with this assessment. I just swapped my tires out for some Michelin road 6's (the shinkos are fine, just not doing any trail riding) and the performance difference on wet pavement is truly immeasurable. This review makes it sound like they are just slightly worse than proper street tires and that's absolutely not true. I found myself sliding on my front and back tires while commuting in the rain. I decided to go to a parking lot and see how I would fare in an emergency braking situation - the verdict was not well. I went to the place with the markings for the motorcycle permit test and on wet pavement the tires are not able to pass the permit test. This is what took my thought of "maybe I should get new tires" to an emergency "I can not ride these in the rain again until I get new tires". I would consider their performance to be "you can manage to make it home in the rain if you're caught out in the rain. Give yourself a massive safety buffer in your speed, space, and turns and you will make it but it will not be pleasant" Do *not* take these recommendations at face value, it may be your life that you pay. When I installed my new front tire I returned to the same spot and couldn't manage to force the front tire to lock up at all (mind you, the run up distance is very short so this is only like ~15mph). The new tires would easily and comfortably pass the permit test in the rain. When I tried going faster to find the limit I gave out before the tires did. Even in a parking lot going that fast then braking that hard if the tire grip gave out suddenly I would have a really bad day.
Thanks, great work. One thing though, you should remember about rest of world and put at measurements also in metric system. I know your video will be very popular internationally and may confuse someone.
tahoehiker all these tires but one come from other countries. So no, America really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of acquiring tires. Metric is used by 95 percent of the worlds population so it would have been nice to include.
I am totally confused! I am riding a bmw 310 gs. I drive “metzeler tourace” 85/15 ( 13.000 miles now, first set) mostly on the street( no highway). In the Netherlands are no hills. When you go off-road: there is sand, deep sand and mud/ muddy pools. What type tire should I chose when I more often want to go off-road? I use my bike on a daily base to go to work and back( about 50 miles). Greetings from the Netherlands, Frank
@ChapMoto FYI - Mileage and performance update on Mission Trail Max - Mounted on BMW 850 GS Current tread performance is exceeding 10k miles and may actually be on track to reach levels i've only achieved with michelin pilot road 3 and 4 of 13-14k miles per a set on a road bike. 1. Performance on dry dirt trails - OK 2. Performance in slippery or lose mud - Fail, you are likely to get stranded somewhere with the bike stuck. 3. Performance on extremely wet slippery roads - barely passing in these conditions and actually quite dangerous in hydroplaning conditions with strong side winds at highway speed. 4 . Performance during the winter on mildly snowy roads - barely passing and not recommended but an experienced rider can manage it. 5. Performance on dry roads - Pass but you will notice a reduction in grip performance after 4-5k miles. TLDR This tire is honestly performing more like a road biased 80/20 tire than a 50/50 but the mileage is incredibly good for the money spent.
What one would you recommend for a 110/70-17 front and 130/70-17 rear set because I have a 125 super moto / adventure bike I’m tiding a Suzuki drz 125 super moto
Any chance of getting a copy of the results for all tyres? I'm keen to see where the mid-pack came and in which areas they compromised compared to others.
We don't get too much rain out here in southern California. This entire test took us many months to complete, so grading the tires equally/fairly in mud and rain wasn't really possible.
Please just put up the metric so everyone out side of the USA has any clue what you are on about, 17/32 the hell is that 🤣 I also rode a set of K60 Scouts around the world and changed them at 26,000km. That wasnt even the Solid centre strip 17 but the 18 with no solid centre strip
During my journey for the right ADV tire 4 me I ran into this issue: *Can a KLR650 rear wheel fit a DR650??* I suspect at *least* a bearings swap.. is it? Or there's way more?
K60 scouts suck in wet conditions!!! Live in the midwest and put 1200miles on. Perform well, but unless youre riding your chicken strips in the the rain theyre gunna slide!
A lot of info, but not always reflecting real life usage IMHO. Why didn't you test some wet mud performance ? The Belgian TET in the wet is a nice test bed for that because of all the clay in the soil. (for example E07 or K60 Scout(correction) is completely rubbish in those conditions because of the center line) The weather is maybe too nice where you live :). Also, pricing is very different in other continents. I live in Belgium and order my Mitas 07+ tires from UK, it's by far the cheapest option for my 1190r taking into account, longevity, wet road performance. E09 and E10 knobbies are indeed gone very quickly, but most knobbies with soft compound suffer from this, same issue on TKC 80's. Also a BIG factor for me on the 50/50 tires, especially on an 1190r with 150HP, is the high speed performance of the Mitas e07 (and +, and Dakar versions). They have no problem driving 200km/h on the highway. Some of the tires you are listing higher than the Mitas E07+ are making the 1190r wobble all over the place at far lower speeds. If you keep accelerating, you will fly of the bike, no joke. (starting on my bike from 140km/h already). NOFI : Not easy to do all that testing, but good job overall. Thx for the video.
Thank you for your comments Dawn. We live in the southern California desert where we don't typically see but a week or two of rain all year! And when it does rain ... it makes our sandy dirt PERFECT to ride in! The Rain Groove cement is the WORST for the 1190r wobble... it is SCARY at times for sure. Thus the reason the Motoz tiers did not do well in that area. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I have a KLR650 and I run the K60 on the rear which is good.. The front tire is horrible in the dirt.. I just bought Adventure GPS for the rear I'm sure it's going to do well ..my question is will I have the same problem with the front tire in the dirt as I do with the k60 front tire
Great questions and thank you for watching! Having run both tires on your specific bike I can say that I did like the Motoz GPS tire (front and rear) in my opinion performed better than the K60 tires in the dirt and in the wet. After 6k miles the GPS tires still looked NEW so I dropped the pressure a bit and they performed even better! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I noticed not much mentioned about the tkc-70’s im super anal about tiress , as a road, moto, enduro racer… i have the tkc-70s as my first experience with my yamaha super tenere , a very heavy bike in its class.. im very impressed with the rear performance. At 7000 miles of hard , heavy , and daily commute its a pretty great , tire, BUT the front doesn’t seem to wearing equally at all. And under heavy load it can be a little slippery in a full Max lean…. And its not to confidence inspiring in the dirt … I’ve actually gone down in some loose marbles/sand mix fromt end washed out. Luckily i was going slow.. i find myself constantly looking for a better front now because it will be due to replace with tons of life left on the rear. They are also a dual compound tire which is nice if you need to get up and go , no need to warm them up.
Should tested E09 instead of E10. Theu look similar but E09 is the hit, while not much good reviews on E10. Here in eu everybody loves mitas E09 its most popular choice for rear ;
Great work in producing this very comprehensive review! I've been on the Shinko 705s (2013 CB500X)for about 50000Km now and am very pleased with them. I would love a more off-road front but, with the 17" front wheel, they only seem to exist in big block tyres - of which the TCK80 really disappointed, which is probably why I don't want the 804/805 combo. I found they wore really fast and became dangerous in the rain on-road. But I need something more capable off road, with more side-wall grip so less of my videos have crashes in them 🤔 Thanks for the review - excellent!
Ha! Ha! Yes, I personally have experienced similar results. Man... sidewall grip is important, that is for sure! Which tire are you leaning towards for your next set? Thanks for watching, -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports TBH I can't find what I want in a 17" - something more like a Mitas E07 would have been great. So I'll stick with the Shinkos for now. Cheers and all the best.
had shinko 800's for 6k touring loaded miles, bias version, they did great in rain on turn pike when half doz cars hydroplaned, I did not. Going radial this time, not sure there's a big difference, we'll see if last longer with less touring miles and radial dissipates heat more/7MPH top speed gain because of that. Ran's Devil's Tail with them, was awesome, they corner, IMHO
I have no idea how to measure a distance in seconds... We could start measuring speed with Ounces per Kg... I went from Texas to Calif at 67 oz/kg and took me 355 Nm to complete the trip.
hey i got a question for you when engineers or designers design bikes what formulas or guide lines do they use for tire sizing i ask because i got a xr650r and with stock size tires it just feels better 17s feel diff 17 rear 19 front feels diff how can i set up my xr650r and have it feel like the stock 21 18 set up prob lower front a little shorter springs in front idk please help
What would the diff be on off road scoring (sand and gravel pls) be between the Anakee Adventure vs Anakee Wild? Obviously there is a diff but would be great to see how much worse a good 80/20 is off road vs a 50/50
Great suggestion Robert. Currently I have scored all of the 80/20 on a scale of 1 to 10 for an 80/20 tire and the 50/50 tires were all scored against their like tires on the same 1 to 10 scale. I did not (or have not yet) compared the 80/20 to the 50/50 as they are vastly different animals. Thanks for watching and for your suggestion. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I am surprised. I thought the Motoz tractionator adventure was a favorite for 50/50. I was just about to buy the adv rear and tkc80 front. I would like a pdf file about how your ranked all of these, if you could.
Thank you for your inquiry / comment @Portland Two Wheels. The Motoz Tractionator Adventure And RallZ ... ARE for SURE one of my favorite tires but two things dropped them down in the test results. #1 Price : The ADV at $310 and the RallZ at $314 they were two of the more expensive tires in the line up. Strike 1. #2 The Motoz tires have a front end shimmy / wiggle on the freeway (especially Rain Groove Cement) which is quite strong. Some of the other 50/50+ tires did not exhibit that feeling at all... Strike #2. I personally LOVE the Motoz! I have them on two of my bikes. No... I have been experimenting with the Motoz Rear and (so far 2 other tires) the Dunlop TrailMax Mission front and the Mitas E-10 Dakar front. Neither of those tire have the "wiggle" and coupled with the Motoz rear will give great performance and longevity. So far I like both combos. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
You know what,I searched Google to find out if a 80/20 tire is 80% street or 80% dirt. When you quote these tires as being 80/20, do you mean 80% dirt or 80% street?
Great question David. When talking Adventure tires which go onto Street motorcycles that can go on dirt... the first number is the street % and the second number is the dirt percentage. 80/20 is 80% Street and 20% Dirt. Now these numbers are pretty crazy... and are at best Not Consistent manufacture to manufacture. In this shootout the Avon TrailRider is a 90/10, the Shinko 705 is an 80/20, the Anakee Wild is a 50/50 the Bridgestone AX41 is a 40/60, the Motoz Tractionator Adventure is a 30/70, the Pirelli Scoprion Rally is a 25/75. Street / Dirt. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Incredible job, Kyle - thanks!!! Been watching your posts over the past year as you've individually tested these, it's quite the undertaking, and I thank you and Chaparral for doing this! As you've mentioned, the tire manufacturers are really stepping up, and the end result of your testing is almost a case of having too much information. The comments section also adds a wealth of info into the mix, too. My question is - you've suggested a couple of times that you are starting to run individual branded tires as opposed to a matching pair. I think you've said an AX41 or TrailMax up front, Motoz RallZ / Adv / GPS rear? Still rolling with that, or have you had any recent updates/suggestions for 50/50?
2 years later the effort placed in this video earned my subscription,
Very awesome to hear. Thank you
And 3 years later mine 😊
Wow, they're really really lucky 🙄
Hes are best tire buddy
This being by far the best reviews of motorcycle tires available I'm wondering if a noise check should be added to the categories. In the videos Kyle always touches on this subject but I think it would be really interested to see this done with a decibel meter and then see if Kyle's feels the same when he rides. Thank you again for those great reviews.
Hi Haraldur, thanks for watching and the kind words. Great suggestion. We'll keep that in mind for next time. Ride safe.
Congratulations for what is an exceptional review. Given that tire pressure is universally recognised as having a massive impact on tire performance both off and on road. It would be interesting to take the top 3 best overall performing tires for both the 80/20 and 50/50 categories and assess the impact on performance of running them at manufacturers recommended pressures, plus at say -5% and -10%. Has the decades old best practise of airing down been impacted by the massive advances in recent years in tire technology and manufacturing process? There must be a reason that some manufactures recommend that even for off road use that the manufacturer recommend tire pressures are used.
Yes, this would be an interesting test! Great suggestion! The Motoz Tractionator Adventure tire I tested near the end... in that video it was at 36/ 38 psi at the beginning of the video and WHEW was slippery when I hit the dirt. Aired down to 30 psi... MUCH better! Now Dunlop says that the Mission tire does not need to be aired down and they recommend full pressure always. BUT... I found that the Air Down REALLY helped the tire perform. Now... mileage will be compromised... and that is the reason I think they recommend full pressures. And the K60 Scout.... Full pressure is SKETCHY off road! Even 30 psi was not enough in my opinion! Thanks for watching. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Thank you very much for this wonderful review. The tire I am looking for is a Great twisty road tire and a good performing off road tire, doesn't need to be aggressive but have grip in hill climb and straight off road like rocks and bolders; can handle mud too but not that great, more road oriented... Now I have the Metzler Karoo Street as always. It is great in Corners and scraping pegs in low and high speed maneuvers in my BMW R1200 GSA LC.
Hello, thank you. If you haven't already, take a look at our wrap up article with even more info. It may help. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
Great video, thanks. I've had quite a few different tires on my KTM 990 Adventure R over the last 100,000 km and am running as my personal favorite 80/20 the Mitas E-07. Quite surprised it's not in your selection since it holds well on and off road plus gives great mileage.
Hi Helmet, the Mitas E-07 is a good tire and we did test it. However, for this video we just covered the top three tires and for our overall results the Mitas came in 10th place. Again they are good but based on our review of performance, price, and mileage we personally found others to be better. Thanks for watching. Ride safe.
This was a great video that was well thought out. Thanks for the great information
Very welcome
Great vid!!! Can you post the weight of the tires you tested?
Hello, glad you enjoyed the video. Sorry this was shot a long time ago and we forgot to get tire weights. But take a look at this article a little bit more information. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
Man! That's a lot of info! Thanks...705's for me
Glad you found it useful. Thanks for watching.
I am looking for a good 50/50 tour the school in the wet and cold weather I'm from Newfoundland Canada
Lots of scary stories about the Shinko 703s. They're cheap and popular, but you still have no problems selling them.
Do you not have complaints?
Hi Ricebrnr, 703?? Do you mean the 705s? We tested the 705s for this series as well as the Shinko E805/E805.
@@chaparralmotorsports yes sorry for the typo. There are a lot of TH-cams about the rear Shinko delaminating or bubbling.
I experienced it myself, since you sell tons of them I was wondering if you knew what percentage of them are getting complaints.
Jeez, my new Heidenaus evidently suck wind!
Hi James, unfortunately the Heidenaus didn't suit us well. That's not to say they are terrible tires--different riders have different needs, riding styles, and characteristics. What really matters is how they do for you and suit your needs/riding style. Thanks for watching.
Kyle just watched and was sold on the Dunlop Mission but you mentioned it is the heaviest tire. What would you recommend for a crf 250l in the 50/50 or would this still be OK. Thx
Really appreciate the work that you’ve put into this Kyle, informative and great to watch, thanks!
How does this channel not have more subscribers...
@@TheVaporous1 I'd like to believe it is because the videos are spread across so many different types of vehicles. ADV, Dirt, Street, Sport, Vintage, ATV, UTV, Trailers.... All the gear, helmets, etc... A specific "channel" for each segment of riding would "probably do better"... I think ;) Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@pat Thank you for your comments and thanks for watching! It was our pleasure. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Ditto. very thorough.
Unbelievable superb information, answering so many question. I hope Kyle is at Chapparal when I need to get tires for my bike if not this helps tremendously. Thank you
This is by far the most comprehensive tire comparo / review since Fortnine and the MCN sport touring tire shoot-out. Still amazed the Dunlop Trailmax Mission did so well, despite its non-knobby look. Awesome work, Kyle n Chap!!!
Wow, thanks! We greatly appreciate the kind words. Thank you for watching.
0:00 Intro
3:47 Weight
5:16 Tread Depth
5:57 Durometer Readings
9:33 Scoring Explained
10:29 82/20 Tires
13:47 50/50 Tires
21:46 Outro
22:32 Results Graphics
Great job. Thanks
Flippin Elf you've put in some graft to make this video!!! And boiling all those hours down to 25 minutes! Well appreciated.
I just found your channel and have spent the last 3hrs watching the videos, amazing footage.
I have a 690 enduro, live in Australia and ride a few hours on blacktop then mostly firetrails with the odd single track thrown. What would you recommend pairing with a Motoz adventure or Rallz rear? (I hear the motoz fronts arnt the best)
Thanks mate and keep up the amazing work.
I still keep coming back to your review. Fantastic source of seemingly unbiased info. Thank you heaps.
Much appreciated!
THE BEST!!!! I’ve been seriously waiting on this and although I am at work, I set an alarm for this video and am in the latrine to watch it!!!!
Best comment thus far! Love it! Thank you for the support and for not dropping us in the pooper ;) -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
You missed the Dunlop Trailsmart. I'm curious how they would fit in. However I agree with Max. By far the most comprehensive tire review done by anyone
The TrailSmart is an "un-purchased and unasked for tire" and is really more of a 90/10 rather than an 80/20. That being said, it would have given that blasted Kenda Paver Tire a run for its money! I will get a set mounted up and will give you a test of the TrailSmart tires here shortly. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Thanks for the first conclusion with the tests. Funny to hear that the K60 scout are expensive in US because in France, it's a very low cost model. One of the cheapest I can buy here.
They're made in Germany, but the US importer must apply a confortable margin.
On the other side, Shinko Tyres are hard to find in France.
So interesting! Prices as compared to where they are made and how they perform... Set of K60 Scout $276 and the Shinko E804/E805 are $166... but the Mitas E-10 run $352 and get like 2k miles out of a set ;) The sets of Motoz tires were above $300 too. But they do last a long time - comparatively speaking. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports To compare, my last set of K60 cost me 137€ for the front and rear tyres. It's around 145 us$. For that price, the value is great.
Sigo mirando este video Kile, y sigo sacando información 😉
Cuál sería la cubierta delantera, con más agarre para Off Road?
Gracias nuevamente.
Y saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Hello, thanks for watching. Take a look at the corresponding blog post. It may provide the information you are looking for. www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
@@chaparralmotorsportsnuevamente muchas gracias 👍🏻
I was wondering in the top 3 of the 80/20 and 50/50 which of the is the best for wet conditions ? Regards from Colombia
I'm guessing you want a softer tire that is dual compound?
Time to join the rest of the world and go metric ! F....the fractions !
It would be a lot easier. Thanks for watching,.
What, you don't miss that 33/64th socket? So stupid.
In Europe we have this stupid system, Tirewidth in millimeter, rimwitdth in inch , Rim/ tire diameter in inch and profile in percent .
@@TompaDee true, never thought of that 150/70 17,,,, 150mm 70mm on 17 inch rim lol.
@@roadwarrior8560 Yes but 70 is NOT 70 mm. Its 70 percent of 150. That is so, stupid🤪
Team, this is a fantastic explanation, and really explores the challenges of the 'perfect' tyre. I'd appreciate some discussion on mixing tyres however as they were strictly considered as pairs (with some exceptions). For example, my ADV shop recommended a combo of Tractionator ADV rear and Scorpion Rally front. The logic is that neither set is perfectly balanced for rear and front applications. The higher wear rating on the rear means more slip - not a problem for those of us who don't mind a bit of slip angle off-road. The Scorpion front however is very soft and bites well, particularly when you weight up the front on a descent. Together, this tyre combo runs out at approximately the same time - as long as you don't burn up the Scorpion on-road.
So what might improve this explanation, or simply increase its usefulness (it's already fantastic!), would be considerations for which application each tyre is more suited to for those who want to split sets.
Hi thanks for the suggestion, it really makes sense. We like the idea ad will put it to consideration for the future. Thanks again. Ride safe.
Sawyer post only put knobbies on the rear if you're going to be in mud get dog pads put a mission on the back and Nabis on the front
Silicone is awesome it pushes the water away and really grips same thing on my boots from Danner boots
You've justified my Shinko 705 purchase. Thank you!!
Awesome. Thanks for watching.
How do you like them so far?
Just came back from a 4500km mainly pavement trip. Loved the 705 front and back.
Riding some gravel near home this past weekend, they felt great and hooked up well.
My new favourite for 80/20.
I’ve run a few of them, and will probably put on another set. Great tire for highway, gravel and dirt road type stuff. Heavy but very puncture resistant.
I've read they don't do well in wet?
Great video Kyle! Thanks for all that you do for us riders.
Love the Battlaxe Adventurecross AX41 tires myself. Curious that the Mitas E0-7+ didn't warrant any comments?
Good question! The Mitas E07+ is a great 50/50 tire that fell mid pack. Mid pack made it not so talk-able for the that did really good and same with tires that did not perform so well. Kinda like the quiet kid... Overlooked a little bit. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
No mention of my favourite; Mitas E-09. I run them on both my 650 and 1290R. Good mileage, superb offroad.
ive just ran through my first set of K60 Scouts on my DR650 and because its only a 130 rear tire there is no center belt. that version of the scout is the best road tire ive ever ridden (even better than the pirelli diablo rosso 2 i had on my supermoto before). no matter if 20 degrees in the winter or 100 in summer, there was always superb grip and they are very transparent so you feel exactly what theyre doing. wet onroad grip was superb too. even when riding quickly in the twisties they never slid or slipped just like a real rain tire. offroad performance was relatively good as long as it was dry. in the mud they turned into racing slicks in no time.
i got around 4500 miles out of the rear (mostly on road with mixed riding) but after 50% tread wear it was just trash in the dirt like a road tire.
Wow, this was so useful and informative Kyle. I am getting into ADV riding this spring and my Norden 901 arrives this week :) I was glad to see the stock Scorpion Rally STR's did well on your review as I will definitely be an 80/20 rider. What astonished me more is just how little mileage motorbike tires give you!! That was a huge eye opener to me (shock).
Glad it was helpful! Some people will get more or less mileage out of their tires depending on how they ride, terrain they ride, and their bike setup (luggage). Thanks for watching.
Nice Kyle thanks for this! I'm running the E07+ on my 1190 Std. I love them but the front washes out as you pointed in one of your videos. Which front tire would you recommend to pair with the E07+ rear?
I've done 20000kms on a set of MOTOZ GPS and front still has 5000kms in them. Done a track day as well as a 3 week outback trip with no issues.
I bet it's been a while since the TKC80 hasn't appeared on a top [x] video. It just goes to show the advancements in the industry. Especially for the Dunlop Mission tyre to make a podium finish on it's first try.
Yeah right!? I tell you .... I tried EVERYTHING to attempt to get the Mission tire to be really what it looks like, an 80/20 tire. BUT, it really did perform and it performed really really well. Pretty nuts. Thanks for watching! - Kyle
Yes, that was the interesting part of this test. It really was done tire-by-tire... over the same course. Watching each test back it really is crazy to see how different each of the tire did in each segment. Now... the TKC80 is still a fantastic tire, and it has it's place in the market but there are no SO MANY options that really cater to specific riding styles. Take for example that Avon TrailRider - what a NEAT tire! And the Karoo Street... I'd rock that if I were doing mostly street! But... who needs a street tire if the Dunlop TrailMax mission "feels like a street tire" and handles off road too. Nuts... Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I've ridden about 5K miles on Avon Trailrider tires mounted on my Zero DSR. After trying Kenda K761 / Pirelli MT-60 / Conti Trail Attack 2 / Mitas E07. I ABSOLUTELY love the Avon Trailrider tires. Sure, they aren't great in sand or mud, but with enough throttle they will get through it. But if you like carving turns and blasting dirt roads / 2-tracks, they are fantastic. So predictable even in rain, cold, etc...
@@itchypalm36 i run tkc80s and they carve pretty dang good. i've scraped pegs plenty. the rear does wear quick though, so something else would be required.
Kyle your the man. Great review and info! The Trailmax Mission tire weight surprised me. Seems like that extra weight contributes to the coverall scoring. Just installed a pair on my 2017 Vstrom 650. With my expected 70/30 use....can't wait to rack up the miles and enjoy my new purchase. Thanks
Awesome choice Rory! Please follow up with your feelings on the Mission tire after you burn (ever so slowly) through it. I really liked it on the V-strom 650 that I rode at the press launch. I think that you will get more miles than most other bikes... but only time will tell. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
2017 V-Strom 650. I've got my Anakee Adventures to finish up, then I'll be finishing up a half-used pair of E07s I took off from later last year, then trying out the Missions which I've got sitting in my garage right now. I'll be interested to hear your thoughts considering hot stiff the Missions are
Do you have the data (depth, durometer, construction) in a table somewhere?
Also would be nice if you could have breakdown by front/rear.. thnx
cyclopathic yes, I’ll make a PDF of it Monday.
Yes, working on getting it on-line. If you email me, I can send you the PDF. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I'd also be interested in having access to that data. Great, hard job guys!
That was super informative! Thanks for putting so much effort into this, really really appreciate all the hard work.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
$330 for the Anakee adventures…that’s more like $480 after taxes today in summer of 2024 😂😂😂 Let’s go Brandon
Thanks for watching.
Thanks so much for the great info on this subject! I am planning on trying my FJ09 in for a smaller ADV/Dual Sport this coming year. It is awesome to have some real world hard numbers to work with for tire choice. I feel tires are about the most important thing you have to buy for your bike.
Great overview!
Obviously you have only little experience with cold and wet weather in your part of the world!?
(Though I did see wet tarmac in your videos 🤔).
Just want to add 1 experience about the Heidenau‘s performance in the wet and general.
Did ride the Crosstourer for five years until last month / did trade it in for the Triumph Scrambler XE now.
On the Crosstourer (35.000 miles total) I did about 12.000 miles on the Heidenau wearing down three sets. This is lower mileage than most others do - due to heavy bike, heavy rider and aggressive on road riding (not much highway though).
Nevertheless those 100% street tires like Scorpion Trail or Road 5 did not last any longer with my type of riding - all the same at about 4.000 miles..
Rain and Heidenau: during a weekend (annual meeting of the german Crosstourer-Internet-Forum) I did about 1000miles on this tire in mostly heavy rain and below 50 Fahrenheit. That was an awful weather that June of 2016.
Riding in groups of up to ten riders in different categories regarding speed and length of the tours I chose being with the fastest doing the longest trips every day. Doing hairpins / hills... in the Eifel (area where you find the legendary Nürburgring race track).
I did learn: wow! „modern“ tires stick as well to wet tarmac as to dry. The Heidenau did perform in those wet and cold conditions - as good as any Michelin, Pirelli, Metzeler ... on the other bikes.
So to have an Idea how my riding is: need new footpegs with every two sets of tires.
The last tire I had on that bike was the Anakee Adventure and I must say that it did slip a lot lot lot more even in dry conditions than the Heidenau.
Keep going!
I really appreciate your work!
Propably the most comprehensive test of tires ever!
Regards,
Martin
Wow Martin, thank you very much for the great insight you've provided and sharing your experience with the tires you've ridden. Yes there was some wet portions during our testing but it really was not enough to thoroughly evaluate each and every tire we tested in this series, that is why we chose not to grade wet weather traction. Again thank you for your feedback and we appreciate you watching our video. Ride safe.
Have you determined which ones may be more puncture resistant than the others? An important trait when miles away from anyone/anything.
Great question. One could look at our spreadsheet which has tire tread depth, tire weight, and ply make-up to see what tire would appear to have have been made with more puncture resistant materials. Interesting idea though... some sort of puncture tool that would rate what force it takes to push a nail through the tread / carcass. Hummmm.... Thanks for the idea! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports One reason I like the Shinko 244 - $100 per year. I get a lot fewer flats with new fat tires. Tread looks OK, too bad, new set every fall.
Great test.! Any chance you can Metric measurements in any videos.
It just seems very strange hearing debt of thread in 7/32 seconds... etc.
Great suggestion! We'll se what we can do.
That really cool man!, take off my hat… amazing review from really good expert! Thank you
Good review, but I'd like it better if you reviewed/ranked the front and rear separately. To get decent mileage and still be able to ride sand I normally run a knobby front (TKC80) to avoid washing it out, but a less aggressive rear (E07+). Looking to upgrade the front to something a bit more aggressive, but rear traction hasn't been a huge issue.
Thanks for watching. We appreciate the feedback and understand where you're coming from. We will keep you suggestion in mind for future tests.
Thank you Kyle for really thorough and exhaustive review of all the available adventure tires. Everyone is going to watch it for sure.
Do you have any favorite which jumps out of you are riding to Alaska from East coast? Also, which one will you prefer for wet pavement, considering riding through rains?
Thanks and RideSafe!
Thank you for watching and for your inquiry. If I were riding to Alaska I would choose the MotoZ GPS tire and I would run it in the 50/50 direction. This will give a smooth ride... will last about 10k miles and will be perfect for the amount or type of off-road that is presented. Oh... and it is a great wet weather tire. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Pretty strange to even release the test without any wet pavement or mud results.
Aren't those like, the most crucial things? Maybe there's a difference in whether where you and I live but when talking about "adventure" tires you'd have to assume wet pavement safety will be of concern at some point.
Hello, these are very valid points you bring up. However, located in Southern California, consistent rain and mud is extremely difficult to come by. This was a very exhaustive test with about 25 tires that we individually tested in between keeping up with our other job responsibilities. It would have taken a lot of time and money to find a locale and the time to test all these tires adequately in all "Adventure type" conditions and terrain. We understand these tests are fully comprehensive of all the specs, info, and details of what every adventure rider wants to know, and we do apologize for that. We did the best we could with this test with the available terrain/conditions and time we had. Thanks for commenting and providing insight. Ride safe.
A very informative piece of work, really makes you think. Thank you so much.
Motoz claim the Tractionator Adventure is 75% offroad and the rally z 90% offroad. Only the GPS is 50/50
Wow. What a great presentation! Thank you and WELL DONE
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Heidenau K60 Scout: Performance 15th, Cost 8th, Mileage 1st. Combined Performance + Mileage + Price = 15th ?????? Strange equation.
ya, that threw me off as well...
Thank you for putting together the testing and info that magazines no longer do..... great job! And please keep more content like this coming!
Thanks for watching Pete! We will do our best! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I want to end the life of my Battlax Adventure (came stock with my WeeStrom) so I can change to the Anakee Adventure. Those seem amazing.
They are great tires! Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Looking to do the same with the tires on my '12 Wee (can't remember what they are, but they're still the factory ones as the previous two owners only put a combined 5400 miles on the bike) but looking to get the Shinko 705s because I'm cheap.
They handle well on street, terrible in gravel and the rear lasted 5500 on my DL1000. I got passed by my buddy’s C14 while wallowing around in a gravel road.
@@maximus-power Oh really? I expected them to be good on gravel
JustThaor mine were terrible. I didn’t air down because we were only doing short stints of gravel but I don’t expect to have to air down to run a gravel road.
Awesome test!!! The work that was involved was massive I’m sure. Looked like fun though. Your test results will impact my next purchase through Chap. Thanks again.
Sweet! Thank you for your support David. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Hello Kyle can you please explain why the Karoo 3 did so poorly in your test especially in sand
This is one of the best tire reviews I have watched, thanks man....
Wow, thanks! We appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching.
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Mil 👍🏻 no serían suficientes.
Excelente video.
En EEUU este comparativo es importante porque tienen muchos NEUMATICOS para elegir.
Pero es Sudamérica es más importante porque muchas veces no compramos lo que queremos sino lo qué hay 🤷🏻♂️
Saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Thank you.
@@chaparralmotorsports 😉👍🏻
Thank you for going that extra mile to bring us informed choices :-)
Our pleasure! Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports was wondering what 50/50 you think would be good for greasy wet clay and a bit of mud.
Oh dear, here goes another tire test that misses out on a vital part for pure adventure bikers; the tires performance under different temperatures. If any type of bike is driven all year round and in any weather it will be adventure bikes, hence a tires performance when the temperature goes below 8° Celsius is very important. You don't want to suddenly be riding around on two pieces of plastic when this happens. I am riding all year located at the 59° latitude. This means a temperature variation of -25° to +27°. Of course only the brave and fools ride below -5°, but even if skipping winter most will end up riding in temperatures between +4 to +30° if being serious about adventure riding and go places; especially if it includes altitude. Not taking this into consideration when doing these tests only gives an impression it is focused towards people who are playing around in their own backyards rather than being for global adventurers; the ones who are out there no matter what, when and wherever that might be…
Hello, thanks for taking time to watch our video and comment. You bring up a very valid point. However, in regards to our testing, logistically and financially the method and manner in which we undertook this massive test of 25 different ADV tires (the entire process took many many months), was the most practical and made the most sense for our intents and purposes. We feel there is plenty of useful information that riders can glean from these tests to help them get a better understanding as to which tire(s) might best suit their preferences/needs/ or riding style. Is this the most complete and comprehensive, end-all-be-all ADV tire test? No, and we are fine with that. But we have had more riders watch the video(s) and say they found them informative and useful than not. Thanks again for watching and commenting. Take care and ride safe.
@@chaparralmotorsports Well, maybe doing real tests is not always necessary to put forward information regarding a product and it's qualities, but you could at least take this factor in consideration when presenting tires, as well as doing the scoring. Would this be done the tires with short mileage would normally come out on top. This is your audience of course, but I am quite convinced they will very much appreciate if you, compared to the gazillion other tests out there would inform about this as well. I am not putting this forward because you made a bad test and review or anything, on the contrary it was great. I am just giving you a suggestion to make it even better and stand out from the rest. It is of course your privilege to do with it it as you do see fit...
Kyle… great comprehensive test. Thank you. On my 18’ 1200 GSA I’ve rocked the Shinko 705’s (wonderful tire) & the Motoz GPS (awesome however sketchy in the wet (painted surface)). Presently riding a ’20 1250 GSA and considering the Anakee Adventure or Trailmax Mission. Leaning towards the Adventure due to the superior handling in the wet. 70/30 riding style. Again thanks. Your dedication is truly appreciated.
Thanks for watching! Love your profile pic! If looking for wet weather performance, the Anakee Adventure is fantastic! I have worn out a set and have ridden them in all conditions. The Anakee Adventure is much less dirt oriented than the Dunlop TrailMax Mission tire - that would be the tradeoff. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Hi. I’d love to hear your experience with either of those tires.
@@a2bwithlee Hi. On the '20 1250 gsa I went with the Anakee Adventure (22k kms). As Kyle alluded to these tires performed extremely well. Cold wet weather performance on asphalt, cement and gravel was essential. These tires were up to the task and lived up to their designed intent (80/20 may be 75/25).The only limitations wet mud. Regarding the Mission's I have no first hand experience. 🏍️✌🏼🏍️
@@amerpaisa6920 Thanks for sharing your experience. Great info’.
Ride safe!
this video even made it harder to pick
thanks for making it
Hi, RK, thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed the video. We made it so that people could see how the various tire handled different terrain/conditions and could then hopefully determine which tires would suit their needs/riding style best. Thanks again for watching.
@@chaparralmotorsports it helped with my final decision i got my ax41's that i bought from you guys delivered few day's ago. Generally now day is little harder to shop with all the info and Variety that is simply clicks away .
Great job!
Just picked up a set of Dunlop Mission’s for my Super Tenere. Thank’s to your tire testing I think these will be the best fit for my riding style.
Will do the same for my S10
Jerry, have you read the reviews for Pirelli Scorpion Trail lls?
Awesome! Thanks for watching. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
How did they hold up for you? Do you reccomend them?
great reviews , watched all your reviews on tires, all of them, i ride a ktm super adventure 1290 and i just cant make up my mind between the tck70 and anakee adventure . i ride twisty fast roads and highways to get to dirt roads and mountain passes, which tire is better for twisty and highways?
Hello, we would suggest the Anankee Adventure. They outperformed the TKC70s in Twisties and Highway in our testing. Take a look here: www.chapmoto.com/blog/motorcycle-gear-guides/adv-motorcycle-tires/
@@chaparralmotorsports thanks, i did allready maybe like 5 times, i honestly wanted your opinion because you rode both tires. thanks for replying.
Great!! An overall result would have been interesting. How good are some of the 80/20 tires in comparison to the 50/50 tires off road?
Great question Markus! Some of the 80/20 tires would have beat out some of the lower scoring 50/50 tires for sure! And vice versa... Sounds like a future video! Thanks for the suggestion. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Wow! Thank you for doing all this immensely valuable work. Is there a spreadsheet somewhere with all this data that we can download? I need tires for my KLR650. I have always run Continental TKC80 tires.
Thank you for watching Marc. Yes a downloadable spreadsheet will be available on our blog here in the upcoming week or so. Can't go wrong with either a KLR nor a TKC80! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Awesome review! Thank you!
Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Interesting. I can attest to the costs in Australia, and from experience the Motoz tyres are cheaper than many of the others or at least similar (Continental), probably due to import taxes here.
Yes that is a contributing factor for sure! However.. the Dunlop TrailMax Mission tire is made here in the USA and is one of the more expensive sets ;) Go figure.
Wow! Thank you for this spectacular testing job to Kyle and his team! Phenomenal!
Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Lots of hard work... and great testing.... but very confusing results and confusing way of commuicating them...
Hi Adventure riders. Thanks for watching. Sorry you found the presentation confusing. What suggestions would you make for the next one?
@@chaparralmotorsports maybe make 2 videos for different riding styles. It was very confusing having allthe 80:20 and 50:50 in same Vid with then a bunch of tires crossing over into both categories.
Also the scores on performance... really didn't seem to based on anything solid... was it more from the road or the dirt or what? Give them an offroad score and an onroad score seperatlry to see (I know u talked about that) the overall rating is top broad also as its just subjective when price and all is taken in.... and some of the end ratings just didn't make sense at all as more weight was given to certain aspects... just strange and confusing results. Have a look at one of fort nines old videos he did on adventure tires... the format is much better and clearer. Cheers
Wish we had guys like you in Australia about to do 4000ks on Australian desert , outback roads and tracks all remote , would have changed my mind based on your report . Let’s see how the E10s go thanks mate for all the work u done it benefits all of us
Thank you for your comment Don. The Motoz tires are made in Australia and are some of our favorites! Killer 50/50+ tires! The E-10's were great but they wear out quick. On my personal bike I currently have the E-10 up front and a Motoz RallZ in the rear. SWEET Combo! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports I believe the Motoz are made in china but Australian owned.... but give them time, china will own them soon enough like everything else here.
Chaparral Motorsports mate did 5000 kms on desert , outback roads your right just made it home on an E10 it was over at 3000 kms it’s well and truly done now . Just picked up a tractionator adventure . When this isolation is over here it’s back to central Australia can’t beat up to 800 kms a day rides . Keep doing the testing and stay safe over there mate
Can we get the spreadsheet with all of the results of your tests?
Please :)
Out-freakin'-standing!
I'm not one to get excited about shoot-outs, but this is exceptional in every aspect.
Kyle, you and the team responsible for this group of videos, and shootout, should be congratulated by every mfg in this test.
Every test result was represented positively, honestly, competently and with the depth of information that we all are looking for, to make solid decisions.
Seems we are all a bit different in what we want, and the depth of testing was incredibly thorough.
Your, and the teams, dedication to excellence reflects greatly on Chaparral Motorsports.
Cheers!
Hi ts, thank you so much for the glowing review. it really was a long process to test all these tires but it was fun and definitely worth it. Very glad to hear you enjoyed it. Thanks again, ride safe.
The one test you forgot to do that is very important for adventure riders in the middle of nowhere.
How easy to remove and fit the tyres with tyre levers?
I have done the K60 Scout, the Motoz GPS, Karoo 3, Tractionator Adventure, TKC80 and the Dunlop Mission tires by hand. If you have practiced... they are all doable... that Damn K60 Scout was the worst! TKC80 was the easiest. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Great review! I run Mitas E-07+ on my BMW R1200GS. I special ordered them and brought them to my BMW dealer - who installed them. The mechanic said they were the easiest mounting "gnarly" tires he has ever put on the big GS. And he loved the ride, esp highway cornering. The dealer now carries these in stock. > @@chaparralmotorsports
Kyle, thank you for putting in all the time and thought into compiling this information. By far the most comprehensive tire review done by anyone. Now get out and enjoy the tire of your choice on something other than your “loop”!
Ha! Ha! Thanks for your suggestion Max. I will work on it ;) But now... I am stuck behind the keyboard replying to comments and questions. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Great information as always. Makes buying a trie so much easier. Cheers.
For Sure! There is a tire suited for every specific type of ride and type of rider! Pretty eye opening for sure! And... 80/20 tires that function better than 50/50 tires and the opposite. Pretty awesome. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Wow Great job!!!! Thank you for your time and effort....even though it looks pretty fun...KYLE ROCKS!!!
Yes, it was a labor of love for sure! Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Outstanding! Thanks for all your hard work. The ratings at the end for each performance category are especially helpful for choosing the best tire for the riding I do.
Happy to be of service Dave! Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Great job. Getting unbiased tyre info is like trying to find unbiased news. Nice first world problem we have with all that choice :)
Well said! So many choices! 10 years ago there was the TKC80... and maybe the D908 Rally Raid (only two sizes)... our options now are HUGE!
By far the best tire review I ever seen!! Great job.
Wow, thanks! Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching.
As an owner of the shinko 705's I could not disagree more with this assessment.
I just swapped my tires out for some Michelin road 6's (the shinkos are fine, just not doing any trail riding) and the performance difference on wet pavement is truly immeasurable. This review makes it sound like they are just slightly worse than proper street tires and that's absolutely not true.
I found myself sliding on my front and back tires while commuting in the rain. I decided to go to a parking lot and see how I would fare in an emergency braking situation - the verdict was not well.
I went to the place with the markings for the motorcycle permit test and on wet pavement the tires are not able to pass the permit test. This is what took my thought of "maybe I should get new tires" to an emergency "I can not ride these in the rain again until I get new tires".
I would consider their performance to be "you can manage to make it home in the rain if you're caught out in the rain. Give yourself a massive safety buffer in your speed, space, and turns and you will make it but it will not be pleasant"
Do *not* take these recommendations at face value, it may be your life that you pay. When I installed my new front tire I returned to the same spot and couldn't manage to force the front tire to lock up at all (mind you, the run up distance is very short so this is only like ~15mph). The new tires would easily and comfortably pass the permit test in the rain. When I tried going faster to find the limit I gave out before the tires did. Even in a parking lot going that fast then braking that hard if the tire grip gave out suddenly I would have a really bad day.
Thanks, great work. One thing though, you should remember about rest of world and put at measurements also in metric system. I know your video will be very popular internationally and may confuse someone.
Only America matters
tahoehiker all these tires but one come from other countries. So no, America really doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of acquiring tires. Metric is used by 95 percent of the worlds population so it would have been nice to include.
Yes, I will add mm to the spreadsheet before I publish the results in the blog. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I am totally confused! I am riding a bmw 310 gs. I drive “metzeler tourace” 85/15 ( 13.000 miles now, first set) mostly on the street( no highway).
In the Netherlands are no hills. When you go off-road: there is sand, deep sand and mud/ muddy pools.
What type tire should I chose when I more often want to go off-road?
I use my bike on a daily base to go to work and back( about 50 miles).
Greetings from the Netherlands,
Frank
@ChapMoto FYI - Mileage and performance update on Mission Trail Max - Mounted on BMW 850 GS
Current tread performance is exceeding 10k miles and may actually be on track to reach levels i've only achieved with michelin pilot road 3 and 4 of 13-14k miles per a set on a road bike.
1. Performance on dry dirt trails - OK
2. Performance in slippery or lose mud - Fail, you are likely to get stranded somewhere with the bike stuck.
3. Performance on extremely wet slippery roads - barely passing in these conditions and actually quite dangerous in hydroplaning conditions with strong side winds at highway speed.
4 . Performance during the winter on mildly snowy roads - barely passing and not recommended but an experienced rider can manage it.
5. Performance on dry roads - Pass but you will notice a reduction in grip performance after 4-5k miles.
TLDR This tire is honestly performing more like a road biased 80/20 tire than a 50/50 but the mileage is incredibly good for the money spent.
What one would you recommend for a 110/70-17 front and 130/70-17 rear set because I have a 125 super moto / adventure bike I’m tiding a Suzuki drz 125 super moto
Any chance of getting a copy of the results for all tyres? I'm keen to see where the mid-pack came and in which areas they compromised compared to others.
Where's the mud?
We don't get too much rain out here in southern California. This entire test took us many months to complete, so grading the tires equally/fairly in mud and rain wasn't really possible.
Please just put up the metric so everyone out side of the USA has any clue what you are on about, 17/32 the hell is that 🤣
I also rode a set of K60 Scouts around the world and changed them at 26,000km. That wasnt even the Solid centre strip 17 but the 18 with no solid centre strip
During my journey for the right ADV tire 4 me I ran into this issue:
*Can a KLR650 rear wheel fit a DR650??*
I suspect at *least* a bearings swap.. is it? Or there's way more?
K60 scouts suck in wet conditions!!! Live in the midwest and put 1200miles on. Perform well, but unless youre riding your chicken strips in the the rain theyre gunna slide!
A lot of info, but not always reflecting real life usage IMHO. Why didn't you test some wet mud performance ? The Belgian TET in the wet is a nice test bed for that because of all the clay in the soil. (for example E07 or K60 Scout(correction) is completely rubbish in those conditions because of the center line) The weather is maybe too nice where you live :).
Also, pricing is very different in other continents. I live in Belgium and order my Mitas 07+ tires from UK, it's by far the cheapest option for my 1190r taking into account, longevity, wet road performance. E09 and E10 knobbies are indeed gone very quickly, but most knobbies with soft compound suffer from this, same issue on TKC 80's.
Also a BIG factor for me on the 50/50 tires, especially on an 1190r with 150HP, is the high speed performance of the Mitas e07 (and +, and Dakar versions). They have no problem driving 200km/h on the highway. Some of the tires you are listing higher than the Mitas E07+ are making the 1190r wobble all over the place at far lower speeds. If you keep accelerating, you will fly of the bike, no joke. (starting on my bike from 140km/h already).
NOFI : Not easy to do all that testing, but good job overall. Thx for the video.
Thank you for your comments Dawn. We live in the southern California desert where we don't typically see but a week or two of rain all year! And when it does rain ... it makes our sandy dirt PERFECT to ride in! The Rain Groove cement is the WORST for the 1190r wobble... it is SCARY at times for sure. Thus the reason the Motoz tiers did not do well in that area. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I have a KLR650 and I run the K60 on the rear which is good.. The front tire is horrible in the dirt.. I just bought Adventure GPS for the rear I'm sure it's going to do well ..my question is will I have the same problem with the front tire in the dirt as I do with the k60 front tire
Great questions and thank you for watching! Having run both tires on your specific bike I can say that I did like the Motoz GPS tire (front and rear) in my opinion performed better than the K60 tires in the dirt and in the wet. After 6k miles the GPS tires still looked NEW so I dropped the pressure a bit and they performed even better! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I noticed not much mentioned about the tkc-70’s im super anal about tiress , as a road, moto, enduro racer… i have the tkc-70s as my first experience with my yamaha super tenere , a very heavy bike in its class.. im very impressed with the rear performance. At 7000 miles of hard , heavy , and daily commute its a pretty great , tire, BUT the front doesn’t seem to wearing equally at all. And under heavy load it can be a little slippery in a full Max lean…. And its not to confidence inspiring in the dirt … I’ve actually gone down in some loose marbles/sand mix fromt end washed out. Luckily i was going slow.. i find myself constantly looking for a better front now because it will be due to replace with tons of life left on the rear. They are also a dual compound tire which is nice if you need to get up and go , no need to warm them up.
What an outstanding video! You have truly provided an amazing service here. Thank you!
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Great awesome fantastic video; thanks; very informative; what does mean : baby heads in tire shoot out results?
Hi Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed the video. When he says baby head's he talking about the size of the rocks.
Chaparral Motorsports : Thanks for reply; its very appreciated 👍🏻
Should tested E09 instead of E10. Theu look similar but E09 is the hit, while not much good reviews on E10. Here in eu everybody loves mitas E09 its most popular choice for rear ;
Hmm. Maybe we'll have to add that to the next round. Thanks for the suggestion.
Good info on this complet video , do you forget the Dunlop D606 i ride it for 10k km and still in good condition ,but no punition on 2008 KLR
Great work in producing this very comprehensive review!
I've been on the Shinko 705s (2013 CB500X)for about 50000Km now and am very pleased with them. I would love a more off-road front but, with the 17" front wheel, they only seem to exist in big block tyres - of which the TCK80 really disappointed, which is probably why I don't want the 804/805 combo. I found they wore really fast and became dangerous in the rain on-road. But I need something more capable off road, with more side-wall grip so less of my videos have crashes in them 🤔
Thanks for the review - excellent!
Ha! Ha! Yes, I personally have experienced similar results. Man... sidewall grip is important, that is for sure! Which tire are you leaning towards for your next set? Thanks for watching, -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
@@chaparralmotorsports TBH I can't find what I want in a 17" - something more like a Mitas E07 would have been great. So I'll stick with the Shinkos for now. Cheers and all the best.
How many sets did 50000km use?
had shinko 800's for 6k touring loaded miles, bias version, they did great in rain on turn pike when half doz cars hydroplaned, I did not. Going radial this time, not sure there's a big difference, we'll see if last longer with less touring miles and radial dissipates heat more/7MPH top speed gain because of that. Ran's Devil's Tail with them, was awesome, they corner, IMHO
I have no idea how to measure a distance in seconds... We could start measuring speed with Ounces per Kg... I went from Texas to Calif at 67 oz/kg and took me 355 Nm to complete the trip.
Interesting idea!
hey i got a question for you when engineers or designers design bikes what formulas or guide lines do they use for tire sizing i ask because i got a xr650r and with stock size tires it just feels better 17s feel diff 17 rear 19 front feels diff how can i set up my xr650r and have it feel like the stock 21 18 set up prob lower front a little shorter springs in front idk please help
What would the diff be on off road scoring (sand and gravel pls) be between the Anakee Adventure vs Anakee Wild? Obviously there is a diff but would be great to see how much worse a good 80/20 is off road vs a 50/50
Great suggestion Robert. Currently I have scored all of the 80/20 on a scale of 1 to 10 for an 80/20 tire and the 50/50 tires were all scored against their like tires on the same 1 to 10 scale. I did not (or have not yet) compared the 80/20 to the 50/50 as they are vastly different animals. Thanks for watching and for your suggestion. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I am surprised. I thought the Motoz tractionator adventure was a favorite for 50/50. I was just about to buy the adv rear and tkc80 front. I would like a pdf file about how your ranked all of these, if you could.
Thank you for your inquiry / comment @Portland Two Wheels. The Motoz Tractionator Adventure And RallZ ... ARE for SURE one of my favorite tires but two things dropped them down in the test results. #1 Price : The ADV at $310 and the RallZ at $314 they were two of the more expensive tires in the line up. Strike 1. #2 The Motoz tires have a front end shimmy / wiggle on the freeway (especially Rain Groove Cement) which is quite strong. Some of the other 50/50+ tires did not exhibit that feeling at all... Strike #2. I personally LOVE the Motoz! I have them on two of my bikes. No... I have been experimenting with the Motoz Rear and (so far 2 other tires) the Dunlop TrailMax Mission front and the Mitas E-10 Dakar front. Neither of those tire have the "wiggle" and coupled with the Motoz rear will give great performance and longevity. So far I like both combos. -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
I loved that exact setup on my cb500x. Great traction and lasted a long time.
@@chaparralmotorsports If that's the case I'll go with the tkc80 front and motoz adv in the rear for what I need
You know what,I searched Google to find out if a 80/20 tire is 80% street or 80% dirt. When you quote these tires as being 80/20, do you mean 80% dirt or 80% street?
Great question David. When talking Adventure tires which go onto Street motorcycles that can go on dirt... the first number is the street % and the second number is the dirt percentage. 80/20 is 80% Street and 20% Dirt. Now these numbers are pretty crazy... and are at best Not Consistent manufacture to manufacture. In this shootout the Avon TrailRider is a 90/10, the Shinko 705 is an 80/20, the Anakee Wild is a 50/50 the Bridgestone AX41 is a 40/60, the Motoz Tractionator Adventure is a 30/70, the Pirelli Scoprion Rally is a 25/75. Street / Dirt. Thanks for watching! -- Kyle & the Chap Moto Team
Incredible job, Kyle - thanks!!! Been watching your posts over the past year as you've individually tested these, it's quite the undertaking, and I thank you and Chaparral for doing this! As you've mentioned, the tire manufacturers are really stepping up, and the end result of your testing is almost a case of having too much information. The comments section also adds a wealth of info into the mix, too. My question is - you've suggested a couple of times that you are starting to run individual branded tires as opposed to a matching pair. I think you've said an AX41 or TrailMax up front, Motoz RallZ / Adv / GPS rear? Still rolling with that, or have you had any recent updates/suggestions for 50/50?