“There's somebody who cares about you people, cares about you very much. In fact, he loves you just like you are" His name is Jim Sterling. Thank god for him
try to stop.....then we'll see if you're addicted or not.... if you need a patch....you're addicted if you have cravings a week after stopping to blaze up.......you're addicted
I was addicted to heroin for 6 years, I was injecting it up to 15 times per day. When I finally decided to get clean, I got back to PC gaming and building, The community that I had built before my addiction had fallen apart but As soon as I came back, I began to rebuild it. many of the old faces returned. and Now im 22 months clean off the heroin and the meth, and now I just play games to escape my reality for a little bit. then when its done or when things in life happen while im gaming, I can quit handle my shit, then get back to the matter at hand, (whichever game ive got going on, or spending time with my crew, or working on the servers that we have running) gaming saved me, And honestly I see how games can really get out of hand for some people. and they deserve treatment just as much as I did. Addiction is rough. in all forms. I am just glad that I have finally found a balance in my life. Thank you Jim Sterling for putting out the content that you do. I really enjoy it. this is one of my other manageable addictions. xD
Hey, something I'm actually qualified to have an opinion about! For starters I basically agree with everything Jim said in the video, but I thought I'd add some information in case it is of interest to anyone. One thing to keep in mind about mental health disorders is that, with a few exceptions like Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia, mental health disorders are not causing symptoms or behaviors, but rather it's just what we have decided to call a group of symptoms and/or behaviors. For example, a person doesn't steal something worthless in order to relieve anxiety BECAUSE they have Kleptomania - Kleptomania is simply the word we've come up with to describe when someone steals something for the sole purpose of relieving anxiety. In the United States, the people who decide what mental health disorders exist is the APA, and there is literally a room full of people who raise their hands and vote for what should be in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). With that in mind, they are voting based on many decades of research and experience, and they generally do a good job of taking the whole of human knowledge on mental health and writing the DSM. However, this whole process is somewhat corrupted by a variety of issues, not the least of which is that health insurance companies have ties to various influential people in the APA. So how do they decide what is a mental health disorder and what isn't? It's of course quite complicated and involves, as I said, trying to take into account the whole of human knowledge of the topic. However, what it essentially boils down to is "Does this issue significantly disrupt a person's life, or society's functioning?" The vast majority of diagnoses in the DSM have the qualifier "The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, school, or other important areas of functioning." Even drug addiction diagnoses often start with qualifiers such as "clinically significant problematic behavioral or psychological changes . . ." or " . . . leading to clinically significant impairment or distress." So, in other words, is this ACTUALLY a problem rather than an academic exercise? Often people don't literally meet all of the required criteria for a diagnosis but a therapist can use clinical judgement to diagnose them anyway if it seems warranted given the totality of the situation. Literally anything can be addictive: drugs, games, work, food, confessing sins, being a victim . . . literally anything. As Jim notes, there are underlying issues going on. So why are certain behaviors highlighted in the DSM as having their own special disorder? For a few reasons. One is that the degree to which it affects society and it's members is increasing to a noteworthy amount - gambling addiction was more recognized publicly a few decades ago and was causing major societal problems (such as poverty), and was given it's own diagnosis. Another reason is that the average person is not very well informed about the specific dynamics of a particular behavior, and it is helpful if some diagnostic criteria is specifically spelled out for clinicians - the average person couldn't tell you the exact physiological and psychological changes that occur when a person is high on meth, so it's spelled out in the book. With the exception of substances, I personally do not find it particularly helpful to have tons of specific addictions listed in the DSM. I think it convolutes the issue. It would be much easier to simply say that the person has problematic addictive behavior and allow the clinician to specify whatever it is - there's pretty much already various ways of doing this. I think it could actually be problematic to have gaming specifically listed as a disorder because, in my opinion, the majority of clinicians will overestimate what is problematic and what isn't because - also in my opinion - gaming is still demonized and misunderstood. For example, the president of the United States recently said that they are creating mass murderers, and such talk is bound to influence and improperly bias too high a number of clinicians. I know hundreds of therapists, and most of them would call certain gaming behavior problematic when it probably isn't; there is a dynamic with addictions where the client often isn't believed - normally clinicians just go by what the client says is a problem, but with addiction there is this dynamic of the addicted person having limited insight into how their addiction affects them, and so clinicians sometimes (inappropriately) think they know better than the client. I personally think that "3-4% have problematic addiction" is a gross over-estimate, and proves how out-of-touch broader society is with those who play video games. All of this said, it literally makes no difference to any clinician in the United States that the WHO said anything. Unless it is added to the ICD-11 or DSMV-TR, there will be absolutely no practical effect in the field of mental health. In my opinion, there are three main reasons diagnoses even exist in the first place: 1) They help ease communication between therapists and for research purposes, 2) In certain cases they can be validating and helpful to clients, and 3) Health insurance companies need a way to classify what they will pay for and what they won't - basically they want to deny any treatment they can and it's easy for them to say "We don't cover X disorder." If "Gaming Disorder" were added to the DSM then it's just one more thing that health insurance companies can deny. I'd rather keep them in the dark and cloak it in something that already exists that I know they'll pay for. I agree with Jim that an issue is that certain games are designed to be addictive. I am not sure how you could really regulate that - the issue isn't that the games are addictive per se, but that they use the addictive qualities for monetary gain. There are scores of games that have what could be called "addictive gameplay loops," but that's just part of the already-purchased game. In my view, the people getting players engaged with games for the purpose of fun are artists, and the people getting players engaged with games for the purpose of milking money from them via addiction psychology are hacks and should be shunned in the industry. I would absolutely be in favor of banning all lootboxes and microtransactions, since the sole reason they exist is to exploit the vulnerable via addiction psychology.
Sahil Dabar personally I don’t trust the folks classifying mental illnesses since they said homosexuality was a disease for many years not to mention how they keep changing the names of things like manic depression to bipolar like eugh just keep the names
That's because it's a mental addiction. Problem being, everything can be a mental addiction, if someone's succeptible to it. Singling out gaming, when the same standard applies to basically every other activity or inactivity one could think of, is some bull.
@@WildZephyr What's wrong with rewarding your players? that's how games are supposed to progress. you're constantly getting better gear so the game doesn't become stale.
I really appreciate this video, Jim. What's difficult about even having conversations about addiction is that the stigma impedes people's understandings; addicts are viewed as having personally failed, or the U.S. president declares a war on drugs, but there's rarely conversation about trauma induced by systemic failings.
@Ryan B Sounds like the issue is systemic. As in, culturally systemic. There shouldn't be a negative connotation between being addicted to a substance or activity and it being labelled as a failing. It's not conducive to the recovery process. Trust me when you're getting fucked up and then realize getting fucked up is "wrong" and something you shouldn't do, it just makes you want to get even more fucked up. This can be applied to games as well. I think it would be especially potent because it seems so easy to get over until you're in the throes of addiction.
My favorite false stigma that is universally accepted is that all homeless people are drug addicts. Like drug addiction can make you homeless, I get it (though its odd to me that people stigmatized drug addiction to the point of not helping them and abandoning them) but the idea that a homeless person has the spare cash to get addicted in the first place is laughable.
@@JimSterling Thanks for doing what you can to help people. I try to help support others who have problems like depression when I find them. Back when I was a teenager I use to dump huge amounts of hours into video games. I would immerse myself so much into the games I played with such a longing to escape the hell that was my life at the time. Even when I wasn't playing I would fantasize about being in that world living a different life. My schoolwork often went unfinished and sleep deprivation was so constant that I'm surprised I finished high school. It wasn't until I was just over a year in college that I bottomed out and realized that I had depression and it was bad. I continued my escapism with video games for years after I dropped out of college. It helped distract me from my thoughts of suicide. After years of seeking professional help and finding a antidepressant that helped with minimal side effects I was able to improve my mental and physical health. Life still ain't a bed of roses and I still get to feeling a bit down at times, but it's not nearly as severe or as constant as before. I have a steady job, some good friends, and a glimmer of hope that someday I might actually find love. Even though it does waver a bit from time to time I'm still glad that years ago when I was on the verge of deciding to "give up on life" I said NO.
So many crazy and ridiculous things happen over the span of the week that sometimes you even tune out what day of the week it is... or that a new week has even happened... it just feels like one long continuous streak of fuckup after fuckup in the gaming industry.
I am psychologist with an expertise in assessment. I am really impressed with Jim’s understanding of addiction and the psychology of addiction. In all honestly, he has a better grasp on addiction and “gaming addiction” than many psychologists I know. While I think this is a video that should be used to inform mental health professionals on gaming addiction (truly!), I do have some concerns about the disorder. One of the problems being many mental health professionals are terrible at diagnosis beyond a handful of common depression/anxiety ones. Bipolar, ADHD, and OCD are misdiagnosed (or are there and not diagnosed at all) so regularly it is embarrassing. I see a high potential for broadly applying this diagnosis where it doesn’t belong and being the basis for legislation against video games. Jim’s understanding of the actual diagnosis is so good, he may not understand how many people in my field have a weaker grasp on the subject than he does. But I can assure you that MANY do have a very poor grasp on these ideas. I am concerned people will overlook diagnoses like Autism Spectrum Disorder that better capture the problem for many people. I’m not saying the diagnosis shouldn’t exist, but it is going to be misused to an extreme extent.
While he does make some valid points in this video, I am having great difficulty taking him seriously; as far as I know, Jim Sterling (aka The Jimquisition) is not a psychologist. Since, to my knowledge, he has no psychological training, his statements on the matter of addiction hold no value, and thus should be ignored. Regarding false diagnosis, they are merely the product of human error, which has been on many occasion an irredeemable and unfixable trait of humanity. It is unfortunate that false diagnosis happen, but there is little we can do about it. (As an example, I was falsely diagnosed as being on the Autism Spectrum (or "Aspergers" as it was once called) up until a year ago when I was re-diagnosed as "only" have Social Anxiety Disorder.) At the end of the day, even if elimination is impossible, all we can do is educate and prevent future misdiagnosis cases from happening.
@@DarkSunGameplay Never underestimate genuine understanding from independant research, testimonials from addicts he knows personally, the literal definitions from the WHO and extensive knowledge and coverage of the issue also with prior personal experience and treatment. So what if he doesn't have a degree in psychology? He's clearly done his research as affirmed by a graduated psychologist. Outright discounting the educated because they learned independant of institution is not very sagely nor wise. He knows what he's talking about.
@@blasterman1000 Once I find the time, I may respond to this. I unfortunately don't have the time right now to recover my post. (A TH-cam notification appeared for me to rate their ads, taking me to another tab. After removing this nuisance, I unfortunately lost my response.)
@@DarkSunGameplay he's literally using the WHO's definition of gaming disorder, in some cases verbatim, to make his points, which, as the WHO put it, "is based on reviews of available evidence and reflects a consensus of experts from different disciplines and geographical regions that were involved in the process of technical consultations undertaken by WHO in the process of ICD-11 development." This information is publicly available and doesn't require psychological training to read and understand, just basic comprehension skills.
I have personally seen many people ruining their lives because of gaming , it is an evil marketing strategy targeted towards children who will lose everything , to be precise I believe competitive online gaming is an evil phenomenon , there will be 1% who will reach the top tier but nearly all people will reach a stagnation , the big companies use this stagnation to sell their digital currencies like the Ultimate Team in FIFA or Madden which has 800,000,000$ revenue each year, who can ruin their lives by playing Skyrim?
Ryou Senketsu Becoming “a streamer” seems to be quickly becoming this generations rockstar/DJ dream job. Hopefully they have a backup plan. I have put I’ve 1000 hours in Skyrim, over 4 years though.
Jim, why do you need a sponsorship deal with General Mills? Surely Kellogg's are more than happy to renew their deal with you to feature the Corn Flakes Homunculus!
If you say no the first time you're offered, pretty sure you can't get addicted. 😋 It's really easy to never use drugs or drink alcohol when you don't give a rat's ass about peer pressure lol.
My favorite thing about The Switchblade and the Cross is the implication that these gangsters have never heard of Jesus. They live in the USA, guys. They know about the crossman.
There is a surprisingly large number of American Evangelical Christian films that seem to believe non-Christians know absolutely nothing about Christianity. One recent movie in particular, God's Club, featured an American city without a single Church and high school students who had no idea that a) the Bible is about the Christian God and b) Jesus died on a cross. All of which are highly unlikely, to say the least. American Evangelicals' persecurion complex goes so deep they cannot even acknowledge own cultural omnipresence. It's weird.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 while at the same time some of these evangelicals will rally against social programs for the poor and sick, Not exactly following what Jesus would do.
@@filanfyretracker because social programs consistently misappropriate the tax payer funds. The largest chunk of the funds go to the administration, and only a small fraction directly goes to what allegedly the funds were meant to go towards. Also jesus said to give willingly, not forcefully by a higher power to be faithful. Given how many churches and groups actively go to various run down parts of tbe world to preach, build churches or set up farms, it sure seems like this comment section is the one with the persecution complex. Is it perfect? No. Do people abuse the faith for their own financial and authority gain? You bet. But actively denying that people of the faith do good because they disagree with a government that is in no ones best interest honestly makes you look ignorant or at least blind to both sides of an argument.
A lot better than the "Were is his bloody fishbowl helmet, ah there it is... and its gone agian "Mysterio we got in the movie. Character all about mystery, manipulation and illusions? Lets show his face immediately!
Gaming IS and it WILL BE my favorite thing ever (even with its AAA flaws) but we need to take care when going overboard, and i dont mean to play 7 or 8 hour straight in a weekend, i meant when videogames get priority over things like study, work, food or social needs (family or friends online included) like Jim said i have been there too and let me tell you its more relaxing to play videogames after im done with my responsabilities and basic needs
As someone who's life matches those described by the WHO's description of Gaming Disorder. I don't really think i can thank Jim enough for actually trying to reasonably discuss it. Rather than just memeing on it.
This is why I don't look at Streaming channels. Some twitch people are understandable; then there are those that are desperate for attention or channel traction.
If you didn't immediantly picture Jim flattening Bobby's smug fucking face with his variation of Yokozuma's Banzai Drop then you are not the fandom I know and love.
My villagers in Animal Crossing: New Leaf told me to take a break from the game because I had been doing chores around the town for an hour. Yet another attack on gamers!
I think it's a law in the EU, iirc. Warframe does the same thing, and one of the developers commented one it in a livestream when they were attending some conference in europe and the break notification popped up.
@@12affes The first time I saw a health and safety regulation message pop up in a video game telling me about the importance of breaks was in a GBA game around 2004, but I can't remember which game it was.
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@@12affes I am pretty sure there are games made by EU devs that don't do that.
I actually remember that when I was a kid one of those DrugsAreBad guys showed up at our school to tell us that drugs are bad. Everything was nice till he asked me "What can be addicting?", and I responded "Anything". He looked kinda confused so I explained that you can get addicted to pretty much anything - There are people who just can think without a cup of coffee, or people who just can't be alone for 5mins without being miserable and it's not really about a things, but about mindset and moderation. Guy just get angry and started shouting at me that "I make fun of him" and for the rest of the day treated me like trash.
One of your finest. Emphasizing compassion is something we need more of these days, and I'm happy to see it applied to such a complex topic as addiction.
@ Exposing a man for his abuse, and that man killing himself because he couldn't bear the shame of being rightfully labelled an abuser, is not a bad thing, and his death definitely isn't her fault. It's still terrible that he's dead, but he could have prevented it by seeking counseling for his thoughts, or, you know, not being a fucking abuser.
For sure. While addictions come in many forms, there are many that are not harmful, even while controlling to an extent. These can be brushed aside with a bruh sound effect #1, but the other ones definitely need to be brought up with some compassion instead of with shame. Shaming people for their addictions never ends well, quite often its like adding fuel to the fire. It's also important to not get involved if they don't want you to. Forcing your help unto others does more harm than good. Learn to read people, be patient, be compassionate, don't attempt to understand if you are unable to. Just be there if people need you, as long as it doesn't bring you down with them. You can't help others if you can't take care of yourself afterall.
Another thoughtful, much-needed video Jim. I even think some of my former patients might benefit from this video; you've succinctly cleared the misinformation smog around non-chemical addiction. Simply hearing your arguments might be enough for people to accept their addictions as legitimate, thus allowing them to stop bashing themselves for having essentially "fake problems" Great work as always
That's why I'm bothered by addictions being so narrowly defined by the focus rather than the damaging behavior. It delegitimizes anyone who gets focused on something that doesn't have widespread occurrence.
I can definitely understand the knee-jerk reaction to feel like video games are being picked on. Despite how far we've come on how people view video games, there are still some people that hold ridiculously outdated views. For example, I have a friend, who is 25, has a university degree, and has a stable job. He goes to work every day, does his own laundry and food, keeps his space tidy. But he happens to like spending his free time in the weekday evenings, between 2-4 hours, winding down chatting to friends and playing his favorite MMO. According to his parents, he's 'addicted' to games, and doesn't care about 'real life'. It's people like that that tend to put the community on the back foot, people that don't understand and don't want to understand video games, and just brand them as evil and useless. Glad to see that 'Gaming Disorder' isn't just some silly old foddys trying to jump on a bandwagon that should have died in the 90's, and is instead trying to tackle the issue of people that genuinely have problems with gaming too much.
Jim, thank you for posting this. The description of what gaming addiction actually is mirrors my own behavior these past few years and never knew this was a problem for me... I thought I just liked gaming a lot, (I'm reputation 203 on For Honor) not a day goes by I don't do my dailies but I guess I have to bring this up with my therapist this month. I also have a pretty bad habit of pot smoking. I can't stand my self awareness of my current life situation when I'm sober so I often consume at least a gram of pot a day to dumb me down. Ironically since weed is so harmless it encourages me to smoke more because I can't OD. But yet I've had days I feel I can't live without it at times, which terrifies me because of my past of suicidal thoughts... I'm so scared of running out of money for it, I wonder if I'll feel helpless or not without it. Sorry for all the edits, I'm high as I speak
I'm curious to see if the parenthesis parts I add to these videos are necessary and whether or not it's a more elegant and useful title without them. If so, I'll sure as hell save some precious characters when I do really long titles that push TH-cam's limit. We shall see.
Depending on how the algorithm works, it might even show up when people generically search for gaming disorder, and properly inform them (if they can get past the into that is)
Also worth noting that nobody can be diagnosed as addicted to anything against their will. Someone can by all objective measurements be shown to be definitely addicted, but no mental health professional will ever diagnose someone as suffering from addiction unless the patient explicitly also agrees that they have an addiction. Hence why interventions are often the first step towards recovery.
I think it was a few months after my freshman year that I fell into what I'd absolutely call addictive gaming. I took a "gap year" from uni due to lots of unresolved trauma affecting me too much to handle school. I couldn't hold a job either, so literally all I did for a year was play video games in my room, go to therapy, and that was it. It ended up getting so bad I'd have actual panic attacks just trying to leave the house. Thankfully I'm very much recovered (and graduated!) from that now but the dependency problem was definitely real. Your head can get fixated on anything if it offers a way out of your circumstance, which like you said I think is the real root of any dependency. It might put you in a bubble, but addiction doesn't exist in one, y'know? (Also I consider myself *extremely* lucky that my problem with addiction happened well before video games got especially monetized- I know we dunk on skyrim a lot but it's a damn sight better that my obsession with mods at the time didn't leave me depressed *and* bankrupt)
hi I just wanted to ask if you could explain what steps you took to get better if you don’t mind sharing, cause I relate so hard to your experience like to a terrifying degree
@@Sevlyna Hi there. Been there, done that - life sucked hard but is much better now. This is what helped me, I hope it helps you. I do social work now. 1) Be kind to yourself. Your current circumstances do not reflect on you essentially as a person. Contrary to our social myth of meritocracy, success and happiness is not fairly distributed - lots of people get beaten down by the world through no fault of their own. This is a sobering thought but hopefully it helps you to not feel 100% responsible for the state your life is in. If you can feel maybe 50% responsible, that's probably a good balance. 2) Following on from 1), speak and think of yourself in nice ways. Try to think of yourself like a friend. A good friend sometimes has to speak an unpleasant truth, but they also won't be an arsehole about it. If negative self-talk is a serious problem, or you think of/practice self-harm, please start therapy if you haven't already. This is science. 3) For anxiety and panic attacks, learn management practices like the Alexander Technique and mindfulness meditation. Again, scientifically proven to assist with the symptoms and causes of anxiety both short and long term. 4) If you are addicted to a behaviour or substance, try to view it like a habit that you can change gradually. No matter what the change is, make your goals realistic and small, only turning up the pressure on yourself to get to that next level when you feel calm at the level you're at. When I was smoking weed daily, I made a plan to only smoke every other day, then every third day, etc, until it felt under control once more. You can use this basic principle to assist with any unhelpful habit. If therapy is available to you, discuss your addictions with your therapist. 5) This sounds cheesy, but take an uninterrupted hour with pen and paper sometime in the next week and write down some true long-term goals that come from the heart. Work, travel, relationships, fitness, money, whatever. Nothing is off the table. Be realistic but don't undersell yourself either. Share these with people you can trust to be honest with you without putting you down. A support network helps you be accountable to yourself, get advice for challenges. The overall idea here is that as humans we tend to underestimate what we can achieve in the long term but overestimate what we can change right now. By planning long-term and sharing those plans with others who care, you're creating an emotional buttress against crippling disappointment. 6) Try not to compare where you are with others. As I said in 1), life is not fair. Some people get born intelligent, rich, beautiful and capable and are likely destined for happy and interesting lives without having to do much. The rest of us schlubs have to grind to get where we want to be, wherever that is. There's no free lunch for the 99%. Try to replace thoughts of bitterness with pride in yourself for recognising that you're not stoked on where you are and that you want to change. You have every right to feel proud of being you, no matter what (unless, idk, you killed someone for fun or something like that) Main thing is: I FEEL YOU, you got this. Best of luck.
You are so true. Also no the school system hasn’t changed when it comes to addiction. THANK GOD FOR STERLING! Edit; the books have upgraded from the 70s to the 80s.
Thanks for this video Jim! As someone who loves video games but worked as a substance abuse counselor before, I felt like the odd one out knowing that the backlash is based on a huge misconception. Glad that you made a video spelling this out!
505 is indie-ish. They do a profit sharing agreement with small devs to incentivize quality performance. They also publish Shantae, Indivisible, and Brothers iirc. More importantly, though: Mysteri-O's vs Cornflakes Hormunculus, who wins?
I can understand the mentality of being angry at the thought of blaming Gaming Addiction as a real thing. Because growing up, even my teacher's used it as a a defense to Not play game's so much. Not educate addiction in any capacity. If professional, Real professional's, want to look into Actual Gaming Addiction, I'm perfectly alright with that. Hell, like you said, we Need that, now more than ever. It can actually Help the gaming industry by shinning a light on it's glorious Bullshit mechanic's that are being stuffed into game's by our Triple A Overlord's.
Indeed. Addiction is seen by a lot of people as an argument trump card, not as subject matter. They don't care if it's addictive beyond being able to use it as support for demonization of insert thing.
Personally I've been behind this whole "gaming disorder" thing from the start. When I was younger I prioritised games over pretty much everything and I'm struggling in later life because of it. I don't play as much as I used to and that is by choice, I focus on friends, work, family and such these days and I'm happier for it. One thing that does bother me however is that the industry will instantly get behind gaming addiction being classified as a gaming disorder but will scream and shout to the heavens that loot boxes aren't gambling and don't exploit those vulnerable to gambling addiction.
There's been a lot of really good Jimquisitions covering a lot of important issues lately. Kudos, Jim. I'd much prefer seeing videos like this than, say, covering whatever new drama of the week pops up. Not that videps like that are bad, I just feel like these are more important.
Wow, really fitting, I accidentally left a playlist running in the background... So it went "Please sir, may I, We're all living in Amerika..." Oh Rammstein, thank you.
Good advice. Realized last night that I hadn't had a full night's sleep in the last week because I was walking up every two hours to maximize my profit on a game during a special event, and started to feel like I was dying. Much better after a full night's sleep.
It's rare, but it happens. Back when I was counseling I had a client come through with a crippling addiction to World of Warcraft. The guy had been hospitalised multiple times because he would just play and play, and fail to eat, or sleep, until his body started to shut down and his housemates called an ambulance. The especially hard bit was that most of his social support network was online, in the game that was the source of his addiction.
Jim, mah boi: Just wanted to drop a little feedback along with a like on the video; Not simply because you've acknowledged that reminding the audience of the Like funtion is effective in reguards to increasing that Like statistic, but rather that I LOVE love luv wuvverz the idea of sticking mini-reviews for neat games onto the end of long-ish form content. This type of thing is likely to keep me watching to the end. I encourage this. Thank you for your attention Jimpai
I'm glad you decided to tackle this topic. Context is extremely important with subjects like these. I use gaming to cope with my epilepsy because my seizure trigger is mental/emotional stress and the games help relieve that, but I still make sure to take care of myself and my cat
Yep. You can become addicted to any activity you enjoy. It's just how the reward pathway in the brain works. Anything that causes dopamine release can be addictive. Exercise, sex, gaming, risk taking, etc. For the most part, this reward pathway is a good thing. Otherwise, we would all sit around staring into our belly buttons all day, and we wouldn't have a civilization. But sometimes it can go a bit wonkers. There are genetic components that contribute to how susceptible you are as an individual to addiction. Drug addiction-and arguably refined sugar addiction-is a bit of a different beast because they are compounds that hack the brain, forcing it to release dopamine or do other things that it wouldn't otherwise do. These drugs *actually change how the brain works*. Drug addiction is a disorder; it's not a 'habit.' It's a chronic condition-recovery is possible but so is relapse. These compounds cause *dependency*, meaning that you will have to use more and more of the compound to get the same high. This is the root of the destructive behavior seen in many drug addicts as they 'chase their high.' So...any comparison between a gaming habit and drug addiction is total bullshit.
If this anecdote doesn't qualify as videogame addiction, I dunno what does. I know a guy in the Navy who would spend AAALL his off-time playing World of Warcraft - from the moment we were dismissed from muster and well on through the night, often to the point where people waking up early to shower/shit/shave would see him in his bunk with his computer on. When we were at muster the next day he would often fall asleep standing there, sometimes even falling to the deck because he was asleep and couldn't keep his balance. He ended up getting kicked out within the first couple months, when they finally realized punishment wasn't going to stop him from playing WoW all night. He's probably still living with his mom (yes, he actually was living with his mom before the Navy), out there playing WoW days and nights.
Thank you Jim Sterling, for explaining misconceptions about this great addition to world health. It doesn't want to pursue someone but adds a plan so that those who really need help have a paragraph with a set of actions to help that individual.
Lets call it what it is. A distraction addiction. Because that in most cases is literally what it is, at least in my case. Well, it would be if it started having a more significant impact on my job than getting only 6 hours of sleep. The problem is that this addiction is caused by our worsening living standards and the threat of climate change caused by corruption.
Just a matter of time - entertainment streaming (netflix, youtube, prime etc) can defo be problematic. It can help alleviate depression/anxiety if we're looking to improve or distract from shitty happenings and it can no doubt make things worse too. Pretty sure we've all 'lost time' in meaningless youtube vid sessions over the years - it can be a signal that something else is going on that we probably need to sort out. The type of content can be quite telling too..
The interesting thing is that video games try to play off of many different types of addictions. Of coursing gaming addiction, shopping addiction and social media addiction. That is why CEO like Android Wilson preach why social interaction is so important in video games
Internet addiction. It's a thing, and it's absolutely capitalized on. Just... screen addiction, in general, I think. I feel a lot better when I'm on my phone or laptop, and I can't imagine I'm the only one.
Of course games are the media more focused on. You can binge netflix hard... But eventually the seasons usually come to an end... Games media usually has far far far more longevity and is therfore inevitably a medium it is easier to be addicted to. It ties right in with the new "games as a service" nonsense what with daily, weekly and monthly tasks... (not to mention the included micro transactions.) Nailed it as always Jim.
Jim created a method of editing called the "Copyright Deadlock" where he will randomly insert videos, audio, and pictures from various copyright owners. This is so that when the video is claimed by multiple bots, they sit in contention of one another, and no one gets the ad revenue for the video.
Schools really have dropped the ball on properly educating children on the matter of drugs and addiction. All they tell you only ever comes down to, "Don't start using or you're screwed." Though I suppose it's not very shocking when you remember how vicious parent's groups have been in the past regarding sex education. Better they do the bare minimum than risk actually doing the right thing...kinda like how the government works XD
@@mattd8725 im just gonna say it again. You're mistaking misuse with addiction. Ppl might misuse substance if the life sucks. But addiction goes way beyond that. Idk if you even bother to watch the video. But addiction is just a complete lose control of life due to substance dependence
@@Centrioless Think about the point you are making logically. If people habitually misuse something because their life sucks then what barrier stops them becoming addicted to something because their life sucks? What stops people with otherwise non sucky lives from "misusing" but instead drags them directly into a warp zone of addiction like a pipe in Mario?
That, as said, is not addiction but misuse. Now, of course it can lead to addiction for sure, but it is not addiction. To make a comparison with something admittetly very clischee: If I am antisocial in the extreme and instead derive my entertainment with Video games, I am not addicted to them. But of course the larger importance of them makes me more vulnerable to addiction. Of course both misuse and addiction can show very similar symptoms, but to put the difference in a very unprofessional but easily understood fashion: If the substances or addictive object is consumed for an outside reason, its misuse (using something for something it cant actually do, e. g. taking heroin to get through depression), whereas addiction is the dependency on the substance itself. A wholly unprofessional explanation, since I am no doctor, but a functional one no less. Now, you are of course correct that, since one can lead to the other, it would help to avoid misuse (and therefore combat stuff that is linked to misuse like poverty, depression etc.) but these are still different things. This is important, for example for treatment - if someone is using drugs because he is depressed or poor, curing that depression or improving his live would prevent misuse. But while it might hell against the addiction, it would not end it, because at its core the addiction is to the substance itself too not just its enviroment
I have to admit. the first moment I heard this, my alarm bells went off. I have this denfense reflex about games, because they definetely got a lot of unfair shit in the past few decades, but after listening and thinking about it. yeah. it makes sense and I think it is a good sign that games are getting recognised as a fundamental part of society and it can only be advantageous if doctors are being educated about video games and video game addiction. I had a experience from my childhood, where a dictor wanted to pin all my bad feeling on my video games. admittedly I played a lot, but it never got in the way of anything and I would prefere human contact over games any time, but for this doctor the culprit for my problems was obviouse. the evil games. not to mention it only frunstrated me and only took something away that I really enjoed. it did however not do anything about my abusive father.
Only half way through the video and I am happy you made this video. When the announcement was made that WHO now recognised Game Addiction as a disorder, I understood where they were coming from. The definition made it clear that it wasn't aimed at gaming as an attack, and the back and forth on if they would recognize it before they did, made it clear to me that this was being taken seriously. Also with it being recognized, there is a better chance of it being covered by some insurances now, which was something I was happy for when this was all still a heated thing. My only problem with this is how the public would react to it, which over time seems to have blown over. So thank you for making this video to calm that mob down.
*new Jimquisition episode shows up in my feed* Me: but it's midnight!! I need sleep *Born Depressed by Drill Queen gets stuck in my head for the millionth time* Me: fine
It's important to note that the official classification of gaming disorder means that people with gaming disorder can now, hopefully, get their treatment covered by healthcare. Healthcare doesn't cover addictions if they're not officially defined. You can't be diagnosed with addictions that aren't officially defined. The definition of gaming disorder doesn't just help legitimize people's suffering of it, it also may help them pay for their treatment.
I've recently become aware of certain addictions in my life and this has really helped to put to words how I've felt and why I was unaware of the addiction for so long.
+Harry Wompa This is a good fucking video [insert period, not comma] [capitalized "e"]ven outside the sphere of video games, this is a really accurate description of addiction[period]. Don't use commas if you don't know how to properly use them (I'm 99.9% sure that the second time was a happy accident).
@@BennyGoId "period" lmao, mmkay. Where has the love for the good ol' semicolon gone? 'Twas pretty clear that's what OP was going for with their comma. Kids these days -- can't even figure out how to be properly pedantic online. What is the world COMING TO??? Get off my lawn with your sad excuse for grammatical correction!! Why, back in my day....
Thanks for addressing this Jim. Ive been addicted to many things, primarily alcahol and gaming. Both have cost me a lot. Hopefully this video will change a few perceptions and maybe get others who are suffering to feel like its ok to ask for help.
Actual addict here to let you know the problem is real. And given that I know there are people who have it far worse than me, just let these people get the awareness and help they need. You don't need to worry about panic from this while US senators are blaming video games for assault rifles.
@@simonfeakes Yes it is. And if you are even capable of leveling any skepticism at this it's in total ignorance of behavioral addiction. Where's your peer reviewed study supporting your claim?
"Wow, this is fun and feels good! I'm going to do this as often as I can!" not necessarily harmful in itself, but it's pretty easy to see how that can get out of control. If you can have a shopping addiction, you can have a gaming addiction.
A younger me might of been considered addicted. But then again younger me had spare time and no responsibility. Now I just watch other people play games on youtube😥
You know, when I first heard about this, my reaction was exactly as you said- assuming it was done to demonize video games, because I grew up basically seeing anything considered "addictive" being demonized for being "addictive". However, after hearing your arguments, I have to say that I now agree with your assessment. I never thought of it that way before, but now that I hear it, it makes complete sense. Thank you, Jim, for breaking me out of my prior mindset over this!
Still no one mentions the most important part of recognizing/classifying/defining Gaming Disorder as a thing. Without ticking that box national health services and (in the US) health insurance programs are much less likely to provide help for people that need it. Doctors and professionals might recognize it as fundamentally the same as other forms of self-destructive, addictive behavior but without official classification they can't offer the same level of treatment or support.
See it like this. If you go get drunk on weekends and party, you are not an alcoholic (Most likely) If you get drunk every day and spend your days getting drunk without working or eating properly, you are an alcoholic. Same with video games.
I have depression and right after I graduated high school I was in a really bad state. I didn't go to college, and I spent my days waking up late, playing video games all day and going to bed in the early morning (they were all live-service games, too, which made things even worse). I was miserable and I wanted to stop, but it felt likes gaming was the one of the only things helping me cope. Thankfully I got help and intervention and I feel so much better now. Thank you for talking about this important topic! Hope other people get better and feel better, as well. :)
Why is your channel so good at educating people on things outside of video games, seriously addiction, marketing, the importance of unionization, why are you better than my high school was at teaching?
Remember that it's not about labeling people, even though idiots while turn it into an insult I'm sure. It's about giving people who need help a diagnosis so that they can get said help.
@6:02 "I uh... I just wanna say, that thu... there's somebody who cares about you people, cares about you very much, uh... in fact he loves you, just like you are!" And his name, is Jim Fucking Sterling Son!
And then: "Aright guys, the game has been out for a month. Let's abuse the fact that they bought our game believing that there were no Microtransactions, and let's also create and abuse their gambling and gaming addiction, too-- Whilst taking their cash! F**k it. Make the rating say 3+. Now we can get kids addicted and take their money, too! They can all suffer, or die. I don't care. As long as I get ma Money, money moneyyyy!!!" *week later* "I find it hard to understand why we're seen as the evil guys"
As a teacher, allow me to apologize on behalf of teachers everywhere for your subjection to "The Cross and the Switchblade". I've never seen it, but goddamn, that looks hilarious.
Hey, preach it brother. As someone who was treating my Bipolar Disorder with games long before it was diagnosed and that helped me stay sane for years...considering dad smoked and overeats and grandad smoked and boozed his way into an early grave and I've dabbled in all of those plus...yeah...just yeah. Also good books, good books help.
I don't mind the fact that there's a classification, moreso the fact that other, similar classifications are suspiciously absent, singling out video games and grouping them together with other disorders *in the public eye*. Yes, everything can be addictive (i.e. taking precedence in your life above other things to a detrimental degree), from hard drugs to books. However, this classification means if you ask Joe Shmoe on the street "Tell me three things that people get addicted to", video games is now a legitimized option. Again, I understand that "gaming despite the occurrence of negative consequences" is a disorder, but there is an undeniable disconnect between scholarly definitions and what the general public hears. Just remember when a study found that the antioxidants in cocoa beans *may* reduce cell damage and news articles popped up with brilliant lines like "Cabernet and chocolate are potent medicine for killing cancer". So my beef isn't with the WHO defining the conditions for gaming disorder, it's with articles like " Gaming addiction is a disorder, could cause serious health problems".
WHO: Gaming Disorder is quite like Gambling Addiction, but without the Gambling part.
EA: Let us fix that for you...
World governments: Gambling?
Modern poker machines are videogames, started out as physical reels and are now video screens displaying digital representations.
Take-Two interactive: Hold my beer....
@@johnpenguinthe3rd13 also take two: Hold my casino
(not that one)
“There's somebody who cares about you people, cares about you very much. In fact, he loves you just like you are"
His name is Jim Sterling. Thank god for him
d'awwww
BarelyLewd second time I’ve seen you talking about this in the comments. Who is ZQ?
Not the Mr. Rogers we need, but the Mr. Rogers we deserve.
Jim cares if no one else care
Wonder if this guy unsubbed when they came out lmao
I have smoked cigarettes for 25 years and luckily have never gotten addicted to them
Same. I’ve even quit 20 times in one day. No problem.
Heh, same boat bud.
try to stop.....then we'll see if you're addicted or not....
if you need a patch....you're addicted
if you have cravings a week after stopping to blaze up.......you're addicted
@@Red_Lanterns_Rage Woosh.
Red Lantern's Rage ooof
I was addicted to heroin for 6 years, I was injecting it up to 15 times per day. When I finally decided to get clean, I got back to PC gaming and building, The community that I had built before my addiction had fallen apart but As soon as I came back, I began to rebuild it. many of the old faces returned. and Now im 22 months clean off the heroin and the meth, and now I just play games to escape my reality for a little bit. then when its done or when things in life happen while im gaming, I can quit handle my shit, then get back to the matter at hand, (whichever game ive got going on, or spending time with my crew, or working on the servers that we have running) gaming saved me, And honestly I see how games can really get out of hand for some people. and they deserve treatment just as much as I did. Addiction is rough. in all forms. I am just glad that I have finally found a balance in my life. Thank you Jim Sterling for putting out the content that you do. I really enjoy it. this is one of my other manageable addictions. xD
I know this comment is a year old, but I'm glad to hear you were doing better! I hope you still are.
Hey, something I'm actually qualified to have an opinion about!
For starters I basically agree with everything Jim said in the video, but I thought I'd add some information in case it is of interest to anyone. One thing to keep in mind about mental health disorders is that, with a few exceptions like Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia, mental health disorders are not causing symptoms or behaviors, but rather it's just what we have decided to call a group of symptoms and/or behaviors. For example, a person doesn't steal something worthless in order to relieve anxiety BECAUSE they have Kleptomania - Kleptomania is simply the word we've come up with to describe when someone steals something for the sole purpose of relieving anxiety. In the United States, the people who decide what mental health disorders exist is the APA, and there is literally a room full of people who raise their hands and vote for what should be in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM). With that in mind, they are voting based on many decades of research and experience, and they generally do a good job of taking the whole of human knowledge on mental health and writing the DSM. However, this whole process is somewhat corrupted by a variety of issues, not the least of which is that health insurance companies have ties to various influential people in the APA.
So how do they decide what is a mental health disorder and what isn't? It's of course quite complicated and involves, as I said, trying to take into account the whole of human knowledge of the topic. However, what it essentially boils down to is "Does this issue significantly disrupt a person's life, or society's functioning?" The vast majority of diagnoses in the DSM have the qualifier "The condition is associated with clinically significant distress or impairment in social, school, or other important areas of functioning." Even drug addiction diagnoses often start with qualifiers such as "clinically significant problematic behavioral or psychological changes . . ." or " . . . leading to clinically significant impairment or distress." So, in other words, is this ACTUALLY a problem rather than an academic exercise? Often people don't literally meet all of the required criteria for a diagnosis but a therapist can use clinical judgement to diagnose them anyway if it seems warranted given the totality of the situation.
Literally anything can be addictive: drugs, games, work, food, confessing sins, being a victim . . . literally anything. As Jim notes, there are underlying issues going on. So why are certain behaviors highlighted in the DSM as having their own special disorder? For a few reasons. One is that the degree to which it affects society and it's members is increasing to a noteworthy amount - gambling addiction was more recognized publicly a few decades ago and was causing major societal problems (such as poverty), and was given it's own diagnosis. Another reason is that the average person is not very well informed about the specific dynamics of a particular behavior, and it is helpful if some diagnostic criteria is specifically spelled out for clinicians - the average person couldn't tell you the exact physiological and psychological changes that occur when a person is high on meth, so it's spelled out in the book. With the exception of substances, I personally do not find it particularly helpful to have tons of specific addictions listed in the DSM. I think it convolutes the issue. It would be much easier to simply say that the person has problematic addictive behavior and allow the clinician to specify whatever it is - there's pretty much already various ways of doing this. I think it could actually be problematic to have gaming specifically listed as a disorder because, in my opinion, the majority of clinicians will overestimate what is problematic and what isn't because - also in my opinion - gaming is still demonized and misunderstood. For example, the president of the United States recently said that they are creating mass murderers, and such talk is bound to influence and improperly bias too high a number of clinicians. I know hundreds of therapists, and most of them would call certain gaming behavior problematic when it probably isn't; there is a dynamic with addictions where the client often isn't believed - normally clinicians just go by what the client says is a problem, but with addiction there is this dynamic of the addicted person having limited insight into how their addiction affects them, and so clinicians sometimes (inappropriately) think they know better than the client. I personally think that "3-4% have problematic addiction" is a gross over-estimate, and proves how out-of-touch broader society is with those who play video games.
All of this said, it literally makes no difference to any clinician in the United States that the WHO said anything. Unless it is added to the ICD-11 or DSMV-TR, there will be absolutely no practical effect in the field of mental health. In my opinion, there are three main reasons diagnoses even exist in the first place: 1) They help ease communication between therapists and for research purposes, 2) In certain cases they can be validating and helpful to clients, and 3) Health insurance companies need a way to classify what they will pay for and what they won't - basically they want to deny any treatment they can and it's easy for them to say "We don't cover X disorder." If "Gaming Disorder" were added to the DSM then it's just one more thing that health insurance companies can deny. I'd rather keep them in the dark and cloak it in something that already exists that I know they'll pay for.
I agree with Jim that an issue is that certain games are designed to be addictive. I am not sure how you could really regulate that - the issue isn't that the games are addictive per se, but that they use the addictive qualities for monetary gain. There are scores of games that have what could be called "addictive gameplay loops," but that's just part of the already-purchased game. In my view, the people getting players engaged with games for the purpose of fun are artists, and the people getting players engaged with games for the purpose of milking money from them via addiction psychology are hacks and should be shunned in the industry. I would absolutely be in favor of banning all lootboxes and microtransactions, since the sole reason they exist is to exploit the vulnerable via addiction psychology.
Thank you for this incredibly articulate response!
Thanks for this post. Probably one of the best comments I've ever seen on a TH-cam video, ever. Thank you!
Sahil Dabar personally I don’t trust the folks classifying mental illnesses since they said homosexuality was a disease for many years not to mention how they keep changing the names of things like manic depression to bipolar like eugh just keep the names
@@chattychatotchannel would you prefer they stop learning and updating the knowledge base?
I hope jim pins this one.
The WHO definition sounds exactly like gambling addiction without specifically mentioning money.
Hint, hint, I suppose.
Yes sir.
Even without loot boxes, games try to feed you mental rewards to keep you playing, so it does feel similar.
Plenty of other mediums have leant into the “gamification” thing recently.
That's because it's a mental addiction.
Problem being, everything can be a mental addiction, if someone's succeptible to it. Singling out gaming, when the same standard applies to basically every other activity or inactivity one could think of, is some bull.
@@WildZephyr What's wrong with rewarding your players? that's how games are supposed to progress. you're constantly getting better gear so the game doesn't become stale.
I really appreciate this video, Jim. What's difficult about even having conversations about addiction is that the stigma impedes people's understandings; addicts are viewed as having personally failed, or the U.S. president declares a war on drugs, but there's rarely conversation about trauma induced by systemic failings.
@@JimSterling Hopefully those people went on to watch the rest of the video, smh.
Agreed. Excellent comment.
@Ryan B Sounds like the issue is systemic. As in, culturally systemic. There shouldn't be a negative connotation between being addicted to a substance or activity and it being labelled as a failing.
It's not conducive to the recovery process.
Trust me when you're getting fucked up and then realize getting fucked up is "wrong" and something you shouldn't do, it just makes you want to get even more fucked up.
This can be applied to games as well. I think it would be especially potent because it seems so easy to get over until you're in the throes of addiction.
My favorite false stigma that is universally accepted is that all homeless people are drug addicts.
Like drug addiction can make you homeless, I get it (though its odd to me that people stigmatized drug addiction to the point of not helping them and abandoning them) but the idea that a homeless person has the spare cash to get addicted in the first place is laughable.
@@JimSterling Thanks for doing what you can to help people. I try to help support others who have problems like depression when I find them.
Back when I was a teenager I use to dump huge amounts of hours into video games. I would immerse myself so much into the games I played with such a longing to escape the hell that was my life at the time. Even when I wasn't playing I would fantasize about being in that world living a different life. My schoolwork often went unfinished and sleep deprivation was so constant that I'm surprised I finished high school. It wasn't until I was just over a year in college that I bottomed out and realized that I had depression and it was bad. I continued my escapism with video games for years after I dropped out of college. It helped distract me from my thoughts of suicide. After years of seeking professional help and finding a antidepressant that helped with minimal side effects I was able to improve my mental and physical health. Life still ain't a bed of roses and I still get to feeling a bit down at times, but it's not nearly as severe or as constant as before. I have a steady job, some good friends, and a glimmer of hope that someday I might actually find love. Even though it does waver a bit from time to time I'm still glad that years ago when I was on the verge of deciding to "give up on life" I said NO.
_I actually forgot it was Monday. You’re a miracle worker Jim._
Asbestos Fish Me too. Labor Day be damned. Monday is always coming!
These videos are the only ways I know what day of the week it is, too.
So many crazy and ridiculous things happen over the span of the week that sometimes you even tune out what day of the week it is... or that a new week has even happened... it just feels like one long continuous streak of fuckup after fuckup in the gaming industry.
Asbestos Fish yup :)
And my game remind me it was Labor Day because their was a 3X xp event
"People with mental health struggles will attempt to self medicate with whatever distracts from their struggles"
MAKES YA THINK
MAKES YA DRINK
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Time since i heard about that ghost, what has she supposedly done this time?
@@RubberyCat got one of the devs behind A Night in the Woods to kill himself and then paint herself as the victim.
@@mellowyello1478
.....!!!!?
Ehh... i mean, what?
@ What is that narrative?
I am psychologist with an expertise in assessment. I am really impressed with Jim’s understanding of addiction and the psychology of addiction. In all honestly, he has a better grasp on addiction and “gaming addiction” than many psychologists I know.
While I think this is a video that should be used to inform mental health professionals on gaming addiction (truly!), I do have some concerns about the disorder. One of the problems being many mental health professionals are terrible at diagnosis beyond a handful of common depression/anxiety ones. Bipolar, ADHD, and OCD are misdiagnosed (or are there and not diagnosed at all) so regularly it is embarrassing. I see a high potential for broadly applying this diagnosis where it doesn’t belong and being the basis for legislation against video games. Jim’s understanding of the actual diagnosis is so good, he may not understand how many people in my field have a weaker grasp on the subject than he does. But I can assure you that MANY do have a very poor grasp on these ideas.
I am concerned people will overlook diagnoses like Autism Spectrum Disorder that better capture the problem for many people. I’m not saying the diagnosis shouldn’t exist, but it is going to be misused to an extreme extent.
While he does make some valid points in this video, I am having great difficulty taking him seriously; as far as I know, Jim Sterling (aka The Jimquisition) is not a psychologist. Since, to my knowledge, he has no psychological training, his statements on the matter of addiction hold no value, and thus should be ignored.
Regarding false diagnosis, they are merely the product of human error, which has been on many occasion an irredeemable and unfixable trait of humanity. It is unfortunate that false diagnosis happen, but there is little we can do about it. (As an example, I was falsely diagnosed as being on the Autism Spectrum (or "Aspergers" as it was once called) up until a year ago when I was re-diagnosed as "only" have Social Anxiety Disorder.) At the end of the day, even if elimination is impossible, all we can do is educate and prevent future misdiagnosis cases from happening.
@@DarkSunGameplay Never underestimate genuine understanding from independant research, testimonials from addicts he knows personally, the literal definitions from the WHO and extensive knowledge and coverage of the issue also with prior personal experience and treatment. So what if he doesn't have a degree in psychology? He's clearly done his research as affirmed by a graduated psychologist. Outright discounting the educated because they learned independant of institution is not very sagely nor wise. He knows what he's talking about.
@@blasterman1000 Once I find the time, I may respond to this. I unfortunately don't have the time right now to recover my post. (A TH-cam notification appeared for me to rate their ads, taking me to another tab. After removing this nuisance, I unfortunately lost my response.)
SagetheWise You sound like you have a vanity problem, might want to get that checked so that it doesn't become an addiction
@@DarkSunGameplay he's literally using the WHO's definition of gaming disorder, in some cases verbatim, to make his points, which, as the WHO put it, "is based on reviews of available evidence and reflects a consensus of experts from different disciplines and geographical regions that were involved in the process of technical consultations undertaken by WHO in the process of ICD-11 development." This information is publicly available and doesn't require psychological training to read and understand, just basic comprehension skills.
Was experimenting with a different video title style, but apparently that was an immediately failed experiment so I've gone and titled it like usual.
The original title was just one of Jimsterio's illusions.
What was the original title?
I have personally seen many people ruining their lives because of gaming , it is an evil marketing strategy targeted towards children who will lose everything , to be precise I believe competitive online gaming is an evil phenomenon , there will be 1% who will reach the top tier but nearly all people will reach a stagnation , the big companies use this stagnation to sell their digital currencies like the Ultimate Team in FIFA or Madden which has 800,000,000$ revenue each year, who can ruin their lives by playing Skyrim?
@@EMPeter It was just GAMING DISORDER without the (The Jimquisition)
Ryou Senketsu Becoming “a streamer” seems to be quickly becoming this generations rockstar/DJ dream job.
Hopefully they have a backup plan.
I have put I’ve 1000 hours in Skyrim, over 4 years though.
Jim, why do you need a sponsorship deal with General Mills? Surely Kellogg's are more than happy to renew their deal with you to feature the Corn Flakes Homunculus!
In America, the War on Drugs convinced people that addiction is the fault of the addict and "just say no" is the common cure.
Also, the slogan "winners don't do drugs" does not help in a society where people believe that winners should win big and losers should lose big.
@@mattd8725 It doesn't help either that a lot of winners _do_ do drugs, either legal (tobacco, beer) or illegal (heroin etc.)
Well, if everybody says no to drugs no problem, right? 😆
If you say no the first time you're offered, pretty sure you can't get addicted. 😋
It's really easy to never use drugs or drink alcohol when you don't give a rat's ass about peer pressure lol.
@@mattd8725 The irony is that their sports are all corrupted with "winners" that do exactly that by doing steroids and taking other form of PEDs.
My favorite thing about The Switchblade and the Cross is the implication that these gangsters have never heard of Jesus. They live in the USA, guys. They know about the crossman.
There is a surprisingly large number of American Evangelical Christian films that seem to believe non-Christians know absolutely nothing about Christianity. One recent movie in particular, God's Club, featured an American city without a single Church and high school students who had no idea that a) the Bible is about the Christian God and b) Jesus died on a cross. All of which are highly unlikely, to say the least.
American Evangelicals' persecurion complex goes so deep they cannot even acknowledge own cultural omnipresence. It's weird.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109
Unlikely?
In present day, that is pure fiction.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 while at the same time some of these evangelicals will rally against social programs for the poor and sick, Not exactly following what Jesus would do.
@@alexandredesbiens-brassard9109 The joys of PureFlix.
@@filanfyretracker because social programs consistently misappropriate the tax payer funds. The largest chunk of the funds go to the administration, and only a small fraction directly goes to what allegedly the funds were meant to go towards.
Also jesus said to give willingly, not forcefully by a higher power to be faithful. Given how many churches and groups actively go to various run down parts of tbe world to preach, build churches or set up farms, it sure seems like this comment section is the one with the persecution complex. Is it perfect? No. Do people abuse the faith for their own financial and authority gain? You bet. But actively denying that people of the faith do good because they disagree with a government that is in no ones best interest honestly makes you look ignorant or at least blind to both sides of an argument.
I'm addicted to watching content from this thumb drive I found at Medieval Times last year in Dallas. It's magical stuff.
What is it
lmao
What's on the thumbdrive?
I think i missed the joke and i now realise its about porn.
@@acewmd. I believe it's a reference to Randy Pitchford leaving behind a thumb drive with porn on it.
@@TomPhoenixSC thank you
Jim actually makes a kickass Mysterio
This makes the expense worth it. :D
Jim Sterling #JimForSonyMysterio
Jimsterio.
*tink* ha ha ha ha, ohhh shit!
A lot better than the "Were is his bloody fishbowl helmet, ah there it is... and its gone agian "Mysterio we got in the movie.
Character all about mystery, manipulation and illusions?
Lets show his face immediately!
Gaming IS and it WILL BE my favorite thing ever (even with its AAA flaws) but we need to take care when going overboard, and i dont mean to play 7 or 8 hour straight in a weekend, i meant when videogames get priority over things like study, work, food or social needs (family or friends online included) like Jim said i have been there too and let me tell you its more relaxing to play videogames after im done with my responsabilities and basic needs
Exactly. Gaming for 8 hours on the weekend is not the diagnosis for gaming disorder.
I have no social live so i might as well expand my gaming time
As someone who's life matches those described by the WHO's description of Gaming Disorder. I don't really think i can thank Jim enough for actually trying to reasonably discuss it. Rather than just memeing on it.
@Johnny Guillotine HEY DON'T YOU DARE TALKING BAD ABOUT SPIDEY BELLS
This is why I don't look at Streaming channels. Some twitch people are understandable; then there are those that are desperate for attention or channel traction.
Leave it to Jim Sterling to teach me more about addiction in 18 minutes than public school did in 12 years.
Eyup...
Thank God for Jim i suppose
I found it’s a lot better in private schools with teaching about addiction and how it works in the brain
i was taught that Pot was just as bad as cocaine, so ya jim sterling for department of education!
Yes, you should believe what some random on TH-cam tells you about science and medicine.
Every "The who (not that one)" joke.
1: 2:46
2: 3:23
3: 4:56
4: 10:18
5: 10:49
It just got better everytime really.
Even though it was only for 5 seconds you know Jim loved wearing that Mysterio costume.
He loved buying it, the idea of wearing it, and then actually wearing it.
Pretending he didn't wear it the entire day
He's finally gone full on JonTron
Jim Sterling vs Bobby Kotick is my most anticipated anime fight of 2020
I just hope they skip the filler from the manga about Jim trying to find the lost sword of escapist
Nobody needs to see two bloated corpses slapfighting... or do they?
@@JimSterling, everyone's favorite bloated fish picked corpse...
But everyone WANTS to see
If you didn't immediantly picture Jim flattening Bobby's smug fucking face with his variation of Yokozuma's Banzai Drop then you are not the fandom I know and love.
He's the Mysterio we deserve, and the one we need right now.
The sheer time and expense put into that dumb gag rank among my more extravagant wastes.
@@JimSterlingIt was worth it. Got a good chuckle out of me and by a good chuckle I mean laughing way to loud on my porch while my neighbors look on.
The costume was gorgeous, Jim! I hope you get lots more use out of that thing, because I wanna see it again!
My villagers in Animal Crossing: New Leaf told me to take a break from the game because I had been doing chores around the town for an hour. Yet another attack on gamers!
AlexTenThousand that’s not gaming disorder it’s workaholism!
Here's a tv that looks like an apple.
I think it's a law in the EU, iirc. Warframe does the same thing, and one of the developers commented one it in a livestream when they were attending some conference in europe and the break notification popped up.
@@12affes The first time I saw a health and safety regulation message pop up in a video game telling me about the importance of breaks was in a GBA game around 2004, but I can't remember which game it was.
@@12affes I am pretty sure there are games made by EU devs that don't do that.
I actually remember that when I was a kid one of those DrugsAreBad guys showed up at our school to tell us that drugs are bad.
Everything was nice till he asked me "What can be addicting?", and I responded "Anything". He looked kinda confused so I explained that you can get addicted to pretty much anything - There are people who just can think without a cup of coffee, or people who just can't be alone for 5mins without being miserable and it's not really about a things, but about mindset and moderation.
Guy just get angry and started shouting at me that "I make fun of him" and for the rest of the day treated me like trash.
Thankfully my porn addiction precludes allowing me enough time to also have a gaming addiction.
You could be so much more efficient with your time if you switched to only playing H-games
I've played a few of those.
(nervous sweating)
(Furiously taking notes)
A wank a day keeps the doctor away.
Still classified as gaming addiction due to all the furious joystick waggling and finding the correct button to push to get a fun reward.
One of your finest. Emphasizing compassion is something we need more of these days, and I'm happy to see it applied to such a complex topic as addiction.
@ Exposing a man for his abuse, and that man killing himself because he couldn't bear the shame of being rightfully labelled an abuser, is not a bad thing, and his death definitely isn't her fault. It's still terrible that he's dead, but he could have prevented it by seeking counseling for his thoughts, or, you know, not being a fucking abuser.
@@MilkyWayGrump This dude is leaving replies all over the comments about her. He's clearly got some creepy hate boner for her.
For sure. While addictions come in many forms, there are many that are not harmful, even while controlling to an extent. These can be brushed aside with a bruh sound effect #1, but the other ones definitely need to be brought up with some compassion instead of with shame.
Shaming people for their addictions never ends well, quite often its like adding fuel to the fire. It's also important to not get involved if they don't want you to. Forcing your help unto others does more harm than good.
Learn to read people, be patient, be compassionate, don't attempt to understand if you are unable to. Just be there if people need you, as long as it doesn't bring you down with them. You can't help others if you can't take care of yourself afterall.
@@MilkyWayGrump
>Rightfully labelling an abuser
You don't know that, you idiot.
Another thoughtful, much-needed video Jim. I even think some of my former patients might benefit from this video; you've succinctly cleared the misinformation smog around non-chemical addiction. Simply hearing your arguments might be enough for people to accept their addictions as legitimate, thus allowing them to stop bashing themselves for having essentially "fake problems"
Great work as always
That's why I'm bothered by addictions being so narrowly defined by the focus rather than the damaging behavior. It delegitimizes anyone who gets focused on something that doesn't have widespread occurrence.
“...They’re practically on top of each other.”
*Shows Mei on top of Deku.*
_Uraraka will remember that._
mega sean A Telltale MHA game?
Deku: *B-B-B*
Uraraka: *-OOBS!*
I love his use of MHA image stills
I love this comment.
God I hate that show.
I can definitely understand the knee-jerk reaction to feel like video games are being picked on. Despite how far we've come on how people view video games, there are still some people that hold ridiculously outdated views.
For example, I have a friend, who is 25, has a university degree, and has a stable job. He goes to work every day, does his own laundry and food, keeps his space tidy. But he happens to like spending his free time in the weekday evenings, between 2-4 hours, winding down chatting to friends and playing his favorite MMO. According to his parents, he's 'addicted' to games, and doesn't care about 'real life'.
It's people like that that tend to put the community on the back foot, people that don't understand and don't want to understand video games, and just brand them as evil and useless.
Glad to see that 'Gaming Disorder' isn't just some silly old foddys trying to jump on a bandwagon that should have died in the 90's, and is instead trying to tackle the issue of people that genuinely have problems with gaming too much.
Jim, thank you for posting this. The description of what gaming addiction actually is mirrors my own behavior these past few years and never knew this was a problem for me... I thought I just liked gaming a lot, (I'm reputation 203 on For Honor) not a day goes by I don't do my dailies but I guess I have to bring this up with my therapist this month.
I also have a pretty bad habit of pot smoking. I can't stand my self awareness of my current life situation when I'm sober so I often consume at least a gram of pot a day to dumb me down. Ironically since weed is so harmless it encourages me to smoke more because I can't OD. But yet I've had days I feel I can't live without it at times, which terrifies me because of my past of suicidal thoughts...
I'm so scared of running out of money for it, I wonder if I'll feel helpless or not without it. Sorry for all the edits, I'm high as I speak
This video is so on point and blunt, Jim didn’t even bother giving it a full title!
I'm curious to see if the parenthesis parts I add to these videos are necessary and whether or not it's a more elegant and useful title without them. If so, I'll sure as hell save some precious characters when I do really long titles that push TH-cam's limit. We shall see.
Love you, Jim!
Jim Sterling didn’t expect a reply!
Depending on how the algorithm works, it might even show up when people generically search for gaming disorder, and properly inform them (if they can get past the into that is)
Wait wait wait...
Are you telling me the Cornflakes Homunculus wasn't a SPONSORED MASCOT?!?
We need it back!!!!!!!!!
It is but Kelloggs doesn't know yet ;)
Mysteri-O's Homunculus.
@Windy Sounds like a nice hobby.
Okay, the Mysterio bit was perfect.
Also worth noting that nobody can be diagnosed as addicted to anything against their will. Someone can by all objective measurements be shown to be definitely addicted, but no mental health professional will ever diagnose someone as suffering from addiction unless the patient explicitly also agrees that they have an addiction. Hence why interventions are often the first step towards recovery.
I think it was a few months after my freshman year that I fell into what I'd absolutely call addictive gaming. I took a "gap year" from uni due to lots of unresolved trauma affecting me too much to handle school. I couldn't hold a job either, so literally all I did for a year was play video games in my room, go to therapy, and that was it. It ended up getting so bad I'd have actual panic attacks just trying to leave the house.
Thankfully I'm very much recovered (and graduated!) from that now but the dependency problem was definitely real. Your head can get fixated on anything if it offers a way out of your circumstance, which like you said I think is the real root of any dependency. It might put you in a bubble, but addiction doesn't exist in one, y'know?
(Also I consider myself *extremely* lucky that my problem with addiction happened well before video games got especially monetized- I know we dunk on skyrim a lot but it's a damn sight better that my obsession with mods at the time didn't leave me depressed *and* bankrupt)
hi I just wanted to ask if you could explain what steps you took to get better if you don’t mind sharing, cause I relate so hard to your experience like to a terrifying degree
@@Sevlyna Hi there. Been there, done that - life sucked hard but is much better now. This is what helped me, I hope it helps you. I do social work now.
1) Be kind to yourself. Your current circumstances do not reflect on you essentially as a person. Contrary to our social myth of meritocracy, success and happiness is not fairly distributed - lots of people get beaten down by the world through no fault of their own. This is a sobering thought but hopefully it helps you to not feel 100% responsible for the state your life is in. If you can feel maybe 50% responsible, that's probably a good balance.
2) Following on from 1), speak and think of yourself in nice ways. Try to think of yourself like a friend. A good friend sometimes has to speak an unpleasant truth, but they also won't be an arsehole about it. If negative self-talk is a serious problem, or you think of/practice self-harm, please start therapy if you haven't already. This is science.
3) For anxiety and panic attacks, learn management practices like the Alexander Technique and mindfulness meditation. Again, scientifically proven to assist with the symptoms and causes of anxiety both short and long term.
4) If you are addicted to a behaviour or substance, try to view it like a habit that you can change gradually. No matter what the change is, make your goals realistic and small, only turning up the pressure on yourself to get to that next level when you feel calm at the level you're at. When I was smoking weed daily, I made a plan to only smoke every other day, then every third day, etc, until it felt under control once more. You can use this basic principle to assist with any unhelpful habit. If therapy is available to you, discuss your addictions with your therapist.
5) This sounds cheesy, but take an uninterrupted hour with pen and paper sometime in the next week and write down some true long-term goals that come from the heart. Work, travel, relationships, fitness, money, whatever. Nothing is off the table. Be realistic but don't undersell yourself either. Share these with people you can trust to be honest with you without putting you down. A support network helps you be accountable to yourself, get advice for challenges. The overall idea here is that as humans we tend to underestimate what we can achieve in the long term but overestimate what we can change right now. By planning long-term and sharing those plans with others who care, you're creating an emotional buttress against crippling disappointment.
6) Try not to compare where you are with others. As I said in 1), life is not fair. Some people get born intelligent, rich, beautiful and capable and are likely destined for happy and interesting lives without having to do much. The rest of us schlubs have to grind to get where we want to be, wherever that is. There's no free lunch for the 99%. Try to replace thoughts of bitterness with pride in yourself for recognising that you're not stoked on where you are and that you want to change. You have every right to feel proud of being you, no matter what (unless, idk, you killed someone for fun or something like that)
Main thing is: I FEEL YOU, you got this. Best of luck.
@@mostlytranslucent great reply!
Okay, is anyone else imagining how 'excited' Jim was when he got to dress up as Mysterio?!
SilentSte unfortunately it cost his goldfish its life.
You are so true. Also no the school system hasn’t changed when it comes to addiction. THANK GOD FOR STERLING!
Edit; the books have upgraded from the 70s to the 80s.
... how many Germanies do the Atluses have?
Thanks for this video Jim! As someone who loves video games but worked as a substance abuse counselor before, I felt like the odd one out knowing that the backlash is based on a huge misconception. Glad that you made a video spelling this out!
505 is indie-ish. They do a profit sharing agreement with small devs to incentivize quality performance. They also publish Shantae, Indivisible, and Brothers iirc.
More importantly, though: Mysteri-O's vs Cornflakes Hormunculus, who wins?
Well done as usual, Jim. Intelligent discussion is what the world needs most right now.
EDIT: Horace looks amazing!
Did you just wrote that 5 second joke because you really wanted an excuse to get that Mysterio costume didn't u, Jim?
i'm not complaining
It moves it from silly toy to tax writeoff, isn't that how taxes work? :)
i was diagnosed with gamer. the Who came into my home and cut up all of my Devil May Cry 2 cds while playing Squeeze Box on repeat
Someone get this man a DMC3 disc.
What's squeeze box?
@@josh-oo Momma's got a squeeze box
@@goricexi7118 I don't understand.
@@josh-oo Just go with it.
I can understand the mentality of being angry at the thought of blaming Gaming Addiction as a real thing. Because growing up, even my teacher's used it as a a defense to Not play game's so much. Not educate addiction in any capacity.
If professional, Real professional's, want to look into Actual Gaming Addiction, I'm perfectly alright with that. Hell, like you said, we Need that, now more than ever. It can actually Help the gaming industry by shinning a light on it's glorious Bullshit mechanic's that are being stuffed into game's by our Triple A Overlord's.
Indeed. Addiction is seen by a lot of people as an argument trump card, not as subject matter. They don't care if it's addictive beyond being able to use it as support for demonization of insert thing.
Stop adding apo'strophe's to every 's you u'se
Personally I've been behind this whole "gaming disorder" thing from the start. When I was younger I prioritised games over pretty much everything and I'm struggling in later life because of it. I don't play as much as I used to and that is by choice, I focus on friends, work, family and such these days and I'm happier for it. One thing that does bother me however is that the industry will instantly get behind gaming addiction being classified as a gaming disorder but will scream and shout to the heavens that loot boxes aren't gambling and don't exploit those vulnerable to gambling addiction.
There's been a lot of really good Jimquisitions covering a lot of important issues lately. Kudos, Jim. I'd much prefer seeing videos like this than, say, covering whatever new drama of the week pops up.
Not that videps like that are bad, I just feel like these are more important.
Wow, really fitting, I accidentally left a playlist running in the background... So it went "Please sir, may I, We're all living in Amerika..." Oh Rammstein, thank you.
Good advice. Realized last night that I hadn't had a full night's sleep in the last week because I was walking up every two hours to maximize my profit on a game during a special event, and started to feel like I was dying. Much better after a full night's sleep.
What game was it?
It's rare, but it happens. Back when I was counseling I had a client come through with a crippling addiction to World of Warcraft. The guy had been hospitalised multiple times because he would just play and play, and fail to eat, or sleep, until his body started to shut down and his housemates called an ambulance. The especially hard bit was that most of his social support network was online, in the game that was the source of his addiction.
Thank you. It's nice to know someone I like has a good solid and REALISTIC take on mental health.
Jim, mah boi:
Just wanted to drop a little feedback along with a like on the video; Not simply because you've acknowledged that reminding the audience of the Like funtion is effective in reguards to increasing that Like statistic, but rather that I LOVE love luv wuvverz the idea of sticking mini-reviews for neat games onto the end of long-ish form content.
This type of thing is likely to keep me watching to the end.
I encourage this.
Thank you for your attention Jimpai
I'm glad you decided to tackle this topic. Context is extremely important with subjects like these. I use gaming to cope with my epilepsy because my seizure trigger is mental/emotional stress and the games help relieve that, but I still make sure to take care of myself and my cat
Yep. You can become addicted to any activity you enjoy. It's just how the reward pathway in the brain works. Anything that causes dopamine release can be addictive. Exercise, sex, gaming, risk taking, etc. For the most part, this reward pathway is a good thing. Otherwise, we would all sit around staring into our belly buttons all day, and we wouldn't have a civilization. But sometimes it can go a bit wonkers. There are genetic components that contribute to how susceptible you are as an individual to addiction. Drug addiction-and arguably refined sugar addiction-is a bit of a different beast because they are compounds that hack the brain, forcing it to release dopamine or do other things that it wouldn't otherwise do. These drugs *actually change how the brain works*. Drug addiction is a disorder; it's not a 'habit.' It's a chronic condition-recovery is possible but so is relapse. These compounds cause *dependency*, meaning that you will have to use more and more of the compound to get the same high. This is the root of the destructive behavior seen in many drug addicts as they 'chase their high.' So...any comparison between a gaming habit and drug addiction is total bullshit.
Jim "Sometimes I stare into a bag of Funyuns and wonder what I'm doing with my life" Sterling...thank God for him.
My version of the empty funyun bag is comments under Jim Sterling videos
If this anecdote doesn't qualify as videogame addiction, I dunno what does.
I know a guy in the Navy who would spend AAALL his off-time playing World of Warcraft - from the moment we were dismissed from muster and well on through the night, often to the point where people waking up early to shower/shit/shave would see him in his bunk with his computer on. When we were at muster the next day he would often fall asleep standing there, sometimes even falling to the deck because he was asleep and couldn't keep his balance. He ended up getting kicked out within the first couple months, when they finally realized punishment wasn't going to stop him from playing WoW all night. He's probably still living with his mom (yes, he actually was living with his mom before the Navy), out there playing WoW days and nights.
Thank you Jim Sterling, for explaining misconceptions about this great addition to world health. It doesn't want to pursue someone but adds a plan so that those who really need help have a paragraph with a set of actions to help that individual.
"...You're highly unlikely to be found within the tightly defined scope of gaming disorder."
*Is this a challenge?*
... stream it on TH-cam. Get on it early--it will be the next Ice Bucket Challenge.
Next up should be "TH-cam disorder" I'm more addicted to that than video games.
It's gonna be decades before people realize what a disaster this site has been for society lolol.
Lets call it what it is. A distraction addiction. Because that in most cases is literally what it is, at least in my case. Well, it would be if it started having a more significant impact on my job than getting only 6 hours of sleep. The problem is that this addiction is caused by our worsening living standards and the threat of climate change caused by corruption.
Just a matter of time - entertainment streaming (netflix, youtube, prime etc) can defo be problematic. It can help alleviate depression/anxiety if we're looking to improve or distract from shitty happenings and it can no doubt make things worse too. Pretty sure we've all 'lost time' in meaningless youtube vid sessions over the years - it can be a signal that something else is going on that we probably need to sort out. The type of content can be quite telling too..
The interesting thing is that video games try to play off of many different types of addictions. Of coursing gaming addiction, shopping addiction and social media addiction. That is why CEO like Android Wilson preach why social interaction is so important in video games
Internet addiction. It's a thing, and it's absolutely capitalized on. Just... screen addiction, in general, I think. I feel a lot better when I'm on my phone or laptop, and I can't imagine I'm the only one.
So early that it doesn't even say Jimquisition
Edit: I remember back in my day it didn't even say Jimquisition
ur Darg
he does what he do
Of course games are the media more focused on. You can binge netflix hard... But eventually the seasons usually come to an end... Games media usually has far far far more longevity and is therfore inevitably a medium it is easier to be addicted to. It ties right in with the new "games as a service" nonsense what with daily, weekly and monthly tasks... (not to mention the included micro transactions.)
Nailed it as always Jim.
Great video. Saw a lot of people taking the WHO's (not that one) gaming disorder news the wrong way.
I love how I don't understand why some of these pictures are here
Like godzilla
I like Godzilla
Jim created a method of editing called the "Copyright Deadlock" where he will randomly insert videos, audio, and pictures from various copyright owners. This is so that when the video is claimed by multiple bots, they sit in contention of one another, and no one gets the ad revenue for the video.
Schools really have dropped the ball on properly educating children on the matter of drugs and addiction. All they tell you only ever comes down to, "Don't start using or you're screwed." Though I suppose it's not very shocking when you remember how vicious parent's groups have been in the past regarding sex education. Better they do the bare minimum than risk actually doing the right thing...kinda like how the government works XD
D.A.R.E. apparently led to INCREASED drug use.
I actually brought this up recently! Yeah it's not as really helpful as they seem to think it is.
Many addictions are just misdiagnosed cases of "Shit Life Syndrome". The treatment is ending poverty and saving communities.
Nah... what you thought is misuse, but misuse is different from addiction
@@Centrioless You disagree that it's easier to help people with addictions if their life wasn't even more shit without them?
@@mattd8725 im just gonna say it again. You're mistaking misuse with addiction. Ppl might misuse substance if the life sucks. But addiction goes way beyond that. Idk if you even bother to watch the video. But addiction is just a complete lose control of life due to substance dependence
@@Centrioless Think about the point you are making logically. If people habitually misuse something because their life sucks then what barrier stops them becoming addicted to something because their life sucks? What stops people with otherwise non sucky lives from "misusing" but instead drags them directly into a warp zone of addiction like a pipe in Mario?
That, as said, is not addiction but misuse. Now, of course it can lead to addiction for sure, but it is not addiction. To make a comparison with something admittetly very clischee: If I am antisocial in the extreme and instead derive my entertainment with Video games, I am not addicted to them. But of course the larger importance of them makes me more vulnerable to addiction.
Of course both misuse and addiction can show very similar symptoms, but to put the difference in a very unprofessional but easily understood fashion: If the substances or addictive object is consumed for an outside reason, its misuse (using something for something it cant actually do, e. g. taking heroin to get through depression), whereas addiction is the dependency on the substance itself. A wholly unprofessional explanation, since I am no doctor, but a functional one no less.
Now, you are of course correct that, since one can lead to the other, it would help to avoid misuse (and therefore combat stuff that is linked to misuse like poverty, depression etc.) but these are still different things. This is important, for example for treatment - if someone is using drugs because he is depressed or poor, curing that depression or improving his live would prevent misuse. But while it might hell against the addiction, it would not end it, because at its core the addiction is to the substance itself too not just its enviroment
3-4% of 4 billion people is kinda >100,000,000 people .... thats a larger-sized country... thats not small potatoes
I have to admit. the first moment I heard this, my alarm bells went off. I have this denfense reflex about games, because they definetely got a lot of unfair shit in the past few decades, but after listening and thinking about it.
yeah. it makes sense and I think it is a good sign that games are getting recognised as a fundamental part of society and it can only be advantageous if doctors are being educated about video games and video game addiction.
I had a experience from my childhood, where a dictor wanted to pin all my bad feeling on my video games. admittedly I played a lot, but it never got in the way of anything and I would prefere human contact over games any time, but for this doctor the culprit for my problems was obviouse. the evil games.
not to mention it only frunstrated me and only took something away that I really enjoed. it did however not do anything about my abusive father.
Only half way through the video and I am happy you made this video. When the announcement was made that WHO now recognised Game Addiction as a disorder, I understood where they were coming from. The definition made it clear that it wasn't aimed at gaming as an attack, and the back and forth on if they would recognize it before they did, made it clear to me that this was being taken seriously. Also with it being recognized, there is a better chance of it being covered by some insurances now, which was something I was happy for when this was all still a heated thing. My only problem with this is how the public would react to it, which over time seems to have blown over. So thank you for making this video to calm that mob down.
*new Jimquisition episode shows up in my feed*
Me: but it's midnight!! I need sleep
*Born Depressed by Drill Queen gets stuck in my head for the millionth time*
Me: fine
Fuck off
I'm crying. Why am I crying? Why does this video feel like it hit home for me?
Ah, thanks Jim. My feelings exactly. Probably a GOOD thing we recognize something like gaming disorder and quit simply shaming those who have it.
It's important to note that the official classification of gaming disorder means that people with gaming disorder can now, hopefully, get their treatment covered by healthcare.
Healthcare doesn't cover addictions if they're not officially defined. You can't be diagnosed with addictions that aren't officially defined. The definition of gaming disorder doesn't just help legitimize people's suffering of it, it also may help them pay for their treatment.
jokes on you! I liked and subscribed before you told me to.
Same 👍🏼
Me too
This is a good fucking video, even outside the sphere of video games, this is a really accurate description of addiction
I've recently become aware of certain addictions in my life and this has really helped to put to words how I've felt and why I was unaware of the addiction for so long.
+Harry Wompa This is a good fucking video [insert period, not comma] [capitalized "e"]ven outside the sphere of video games, this is a really accurate description of addiction[period].
Don't use commas if you don't know how to properly use them (I'm 99.9% sure that the second time was a happy accident).
@@BennyGoId "period" lmao, mmkay. Where has the love for the good ol' semicolon gone? 'Twas pretty clear that's what OP was going for with their comma. Kids these days -- can't even figure out how to be properly pedantic online. What is the world COMING TO??? Get off my lawn with your sad excuse for grammatical correction!! Why, back in my day....
+sweet pea bee You put too much effort in trying to embarrass me. Mission failed, you won't get them next time.
LIIIIIIIIIIIIKES?!?! YOU WANT LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKES?!?!?!?!
Okay. I gave you a like.
He was just so polite.
That spoon *ting* against his helmet at the beginning really got me awesome video as always jim
Thanks for addressing this Jim. Ive been addicted to many things, primarily alcahol and gaming. Both have cost me a lot. Hopefully this video will change a few perceptions and maybe get others who are suffering to feel like its ok to ask for help.
Thank God for Jim for blessing us on this Labor Day Monday. Amen.
"Tommy can you hear me!"
Tommy: "I'm playin' vidja games mum! Gosh..."
WHO GAVE U THE GAYMES TOM, WHO??!!
Hey nice Mysterio costume Jim.
“Okay I’ll bite. How did the fishbowl get stuck on your head?” -Spider-Man
Actual addict here to let you know the problem is real. And given that I know there are people who have it far worse than me, just let these people get the awareness and help they need. You don't need to worry about panic from this while US senators are blaming video games for assault rifles.
No. It's not real. You evidently didn't watch and/or understand the video
@@simonfeakes Yes it is. And if you are even capable of leveling any skepticism at this it's in total ignorance of behavioral addiction. Where's your peer reviewed study supporting your claim?
"Wow, this is fun and feels good! I'm going to do this as often as I can!" not necessarily harmful in itself, but it's pretty easy to see how that can get out of control. If you can have a shopping addiction, you can have a gaming addiction.
Thanks for this video Jim. Appreciate you informing folks about this stuff.
A younger me might of been considered addicted. But then again younger me had spare time and no responsibility. Now I just watch other people play games on youtube😥
*might have
Hahah yea I stopped playing games a year or two ago but I still watch Jim and Yahtzee and the Yogscast every day for some reason
@@jmlkhan5153 You must've swapped your gaming addiction with TH-cam addiction.😉😉
@@marunomiTis the curse of an Irishmen, typing how he talks.
You know, when I first heard about this, my reaction was exactly as you said- assuming it was done to demonize video games, because I grew up basically seeing anything considered "addictive" being demonized for being "addictive".
However, after hearing your arguments, I have to say that I now agree with your assessment. I never thought of it that way before, but now that I hear it, it makes complete sense. Thank you, Jim, for breaking me out of my prior mindset over this!
Thank you for saying the things. Situations don’t get better by not talking about them or trying to figure them out. Hats off to you.
Still no one mentions the most important part of recognizing/classifying/defining Gaming Disorder as a thing. Without ticking that box national health services and (in the US) health insurance programs are much less likely to provide help for people that need it. Doctors and professionals might recognize it as fundamentally the same as other forms of self-destructive, addictive behavior but without official classification they can't offer the same level of treatment or support.
I ALREADY AM SUBSCRIBED AND I ALWAYS LIKE THESE VIDEOS!
did I do good, Jim?
Thank God for Jim
boglin sacrifice is required
You choose an honorable path my friend may Jim reward you with his reply
I just unsubscribe, so I can do it again when told to.
See it like this.
If you go get drunk on weekends and party, you are not an alcoholic (Most likely)
If you get drunk every day and spend your days getting drunk without working or eating properly, you are an alcoholic.
Same with video games.
I have depression and right after I graduated high school I was in a really bad state. I didn't go to college, and I spent my days waking up late, playing video games all day and going to bed in the early morning (they were all live-service games, too, which made things even worse). I was miserable and I wanted to stop, but it felt likes gaming was the one of the only things helping me cope. Thankfully I got help and intervention and I feel so much better now. Thank you for talking about this important topic! Hope other people get better and feel better, as well. :)
Why is your channel so good at educating people on things outside of video games, seriously addiction, marketing, the importance of unionization, why are you better than my high school was at teaching?
Who remembers when it was titled GAMING DISORDER?
That intro was amazeing
Remember that it's not about labeling people, even though idiots while turn it into an insult I'm sure.
It's about giving people who need help a diagnosis so that they can get said help.
That Mysterios bit RIGHT at the beginning, with its attendant and perfect *CLANK!*, was precisely what I needed today! THANK YOU, SIR!
@6:02 "I uh... I just wanna say, that thu... there's somebody who cares about you people, cares about you very much, uh... in fact he loves you, just like you are!"
And his name, is Jim Fucking Sterling Son!
Omg that old ass ad, I think it was mulluer either way, that stuck with me as a kid, I haven't thought about it in years
EA:
NO ONE KNOWS WHAT ITS LIKE
TO BE THE BAD MAN
TO BE THE SAD MAN
BEHIND BLUE EYES
And then:
"Aright guys, the game has been out for a month.
Let's abuse the fact that they bought our game believing that there were no Microtransactions, and let's also create and abuse their gambling and gaming addiction, too-- Whilst taking their cash!
F**k it. Make the rating say 3+. Now we can get kids addicted and take their money, too!
They can all suffer, or die. I don't care. As long as I get ma Money, money moneyyyy!!!"
*week later*
"I find it hard to understand why we're seen as the evil guys"
As a teacher, allow me to apologize on behalf of teachers everywhere for your subjection to "The Cross and the Switchblade". I've never seen it, but goddamn, that looks hilarious.
Hey, preach it brother. As someone who was treating my Bipolar Disorder with games long before it was diagnosed and that helped me stay sane for years...considering dad smoked and overeats and grandad smoked and boozed his way into an early grave and I've dabbled in all of those plus...yeah...just yeah. Also good books, good books help.
I don't mind the fact that there's a classification, moreso the fact that other, similar classifications are suspiciously absent, singling out video games and grouping them together with other disorders *in the public eye*. Yes, everything can be addictive (i.e. taking precedence in your life above other things to a detrimental degree), from hard drugs to books. However, this classification means if you ask Joe Shmoe on the street "Tell me three things that people get addicted to", video games is now a legitimized option.
Again, I understand that "gaming despite the occurrence of negative consequences" is a disorder, but there is an undeniable disconnect between scholarly definitions and what the general public hears. Just remember when a study found that the antioxidants in cocoa beans *may* reduce cell damage and news articles popped up with brilliant lines like "Cabernet and chocolate are potent medicine for killing cancer". So my beef isn't with the WHO defining the conditions for gaming disorder, it's with articles like "
Gaming addiction is a disorder, could cause serious health problems".
Thanks for fighting against the reactionary crowd, Jim. Someone needs to keep heads cool.