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An Epic Problem (The Jimquisition)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ส.ค. 2019
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EDIT: Minor correction. For some reason I said "after" instead of "before" when talking about Metro Exodus going Epic exclusive. It went exclusive less than a month before launch.
The conversation surrounding the Epic Games Store has officially gotten effing nasty. People are mad at Epic's behavior, but that anger is spilling into areas it really shouldn't, and legit criticism of Epic is getting lost in the noise.
Ultimately, the problem with Epic Games is Epic Games. Well... that and the economics supporting Epic's business tactics. This is especially true knowing that Epic is enacting a double standard to pressure indie developers into taking its deal.
Indie devs deserve some slack here, for all the hate they're getting. Dumping on them isn't helping. Let's bring the focus back to Epic and the playground Epic's cavorting in.
#EpicGames #EpicStore #Controversy #JimSterling #Jimquisition
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Hi, developer of DARQ here - thank you for sharing my story at 10:15
Hi, your game is great! Congrats on the release
Thank YOU for sticking by your word, lord knows the industry needs more devs like yourself.
thank you so much for sharing your story about epic , i wish you great success and hope to see how Darq evolves over time . and congrats on a successful release
Hadn't heard of DARQ before but it looks interesting and with a gorgeous artstyle. Just wishlisted the game and will pick it up later this month.
Found your game on reddit, found it quite inspiring.
Its difficult to get anywhere these days with honesty, but I wish you all the best.
Can't wait to play it!
Jim: Now this video is all about the Epic store, which is a fairly polarizing topic at the moment, so please take a second to consider all of my points before making your responses.
Comments: *L O B S T E R C L A W S*
I see what you're saying but hear me out for a second LOBSTER CLAWS I rest my case
??? But these are much better though out and reasonable comments. Bit sad realy.
Rad claws though...
The audience knows what the audience wants!
@@JimSterling I wish I could agree with that statement, but I still don't see nipple tassles!
@@JimSterling Holy shit I've been validated. Thank god for Jim.
Epic's business strategy is classic rent seeking behavior. Rather than attracting customers by offering better services Epic uses its deep pockets to throttle competition. It's deeply anti-consumer.
Its deep, Chinese government funded pockets.
If you can’t compete GTFO simple as that. Have steam even done anything since epic came round. Have they even tried to take a lower cut nope so...
@@yasinabid2031 They can't compete with a so-called business that loses money on every deal.
Anthony Dolan capitalism is inherently anti consumer
It’s fine tho they give out a free game every week
"why bother being better, when being richer get you what you want quicker" this right here describes the gaming industry as a whole from top to bottom. i mean loot boxes fit this, micro transactions fit this, the whole thing is starting to boil down to this single fact right here
How do micro transactions make money faster by coming from a company that is richer rather than better than its competition?
@Moral Relativism How about you answer?
@Moral Relativism How does that realte to your original comment?
@Moral Relativism Great logic.
Well, yeah. I mean, fuck standards, right?
Jim: We’re going to have an adult conversation
Also Jim: *waving around giant red crab claws*
I love that this is, generally, his whole business model. Let's surround ourselves with toys and get serious about late-stage capitalism.
Lobster. They are lobster.
That's one way to get somebody's attention about a serious subject. You can't do it all the time (repetition begets tolerance) but as a way to make you more easily connect to the topic he wants to bring to your notice, it's pretty good.
Epic store backlash = red crab claws. As a means of visual shorthand, I say good for him.
To be fair... He DID laugh and say that it wasnt going to happen xD
Are you implying fake crustacean limbs *aren't* adult?
You seem crabby today, Jim.
That intro is a claws for alarm.
Seems like Epic is in a pinch.
BOOOOOO
Get out.
Good job Tleps!
Stop it, you.
this hurt to read, well done
I noticed earlier today that Oddworld Soulstorm is going to be an Epic exclusive. Oddworld Inhabitants said this is because Epic gave them an "advance" for PC sales and they need the money.
They seem to be getting credit for their transparency, even if people are saying they won't be buying the game because of it.
Wow they aren't even willing to sell DARQ non-exclusively? Epic says they care about the devs.
They tell so many lies even Todd Howard would blush.
DARQ is also available on GoG. They might be found on other store fronts apart from Steam and Epic.
Now now, that's a bit harsh on Epic
@@BewegteBilderrahmen
Todd Howard or Randy Pitchford?
hahaha
no they don't.
Woah, I had no idea Epic may refuse to sell your game if you refused their exclusivity. That's a whole new level of petiness. What a grotty little company.
May it rot.
TehPickle Yeah.
I was always asking myself WHY these conpanies just sign on to be Epic exclusives instead of, you know, being available on both Steam AND Epic. I figure you would get more money from both than just one (especially when one of them lacks a shopping cart).
Welp, now I know. They can’t. They have to pick one and only one, and it seems that for Indie Devs, there is just more at Epic than Steam.
Steam CAN make itself a competitor again. All it needs is to just change the distribution of money (it is 70/30, right? Maybe take it down to 75/25 if it is feasible for both) and cleaned up the storefront of the obvious trash and gave more visibility to these actual Devs.
To quote Spaceballs, Steam needs to DO SOMETHING.
It's not unsurprising. Holding the sale of a product for ransom is hardly an uncommon business practice, with smaller groups of course being hit harder as they have less leverage.
@@starbird3939 I do agree that they should change their split, maybe not put it down to as much as Epic but a change would be nice for the devs. As for what games they accept, we do see most of the trash get sorted down to the bottom (at least from my experience) but occasionally good games like Underhero just get lost and forgotten. What they should do is start having an approval system at Valve to test run games, mostly to make sure they work and intended and have some sort of entertainment value.
However if they start to compete like Epic it is possible they will lose a good bit of their good will but if people keep supporting Epic like they have, exclusives may eventually be their only choice. That's the problem with competing with exclusives in the gaming industry.
The cut Steam takes adjusts based on sales. I think it drops to 25 at $10 million and 20 at $50 million. Then Steam also gives away free keys. Developers could just sell the keys directly and cut Steam out. Steam says that they only have a problem if more than half of sales are off-site.
I have not really seen any of the trash that people talk about flooding the storefront. Now I do use videos like Jim does, where he plays trash and use those to ignore games, developers, and publishers. I have wondered if playing all of those adjusts the algorithms to aim for them.
I have seen most of the indie games, that claim they are flooded out, on my storefront. I just don't have the time to play them all.
@@XShrike0 i've read it works based on the tags of the games you buy(install for f2p games) or put in your wishlist.
Edit: You can also blacklist tags now that i checked.
"You can be exclusive with us or you can not appear on our store front at all"
Jesus christ, thats flat out evil. like thugs hitting people up for protection money
Just shows that Epic don't actually care about providing a good store front to customers. All they want is more exclusives to try to force people into using their store and getting suckered into the Fortnite ecosystem (mark my words, it won't be long before we can all have the privilege to buy Epic Coins from the store to use on in game purchases or some such nonsense!)
It is legalised extortion that corporations/banks and their political prostitutes have done before hand, and made worse since the signing of the Breton-Woods agreement to legalise it. So, no one has been able to do a thing about this due the monopolising of the governmental system by this greed and those involved. Proper judicial process is out the window too because of the obscene amounts of money changing hands between government(s) and corporations/banks to perpetuate it. Fuck the little people is their motto as they will do anything to hold onto their wealth and power having done so since day dot. The only way around this is to have independence from these companies and release games which will ultimately eat into their profits and wake their political prostitutes up to the fact that, we, as gamer's, aren't going to be fucked over by those bastards ever again.
Exclusive or not-at-all. Hah, so much for "It's for the developers.", right EGS?
i just wish more new outlet would talk about that
@@kaollachan they're too busy trying to take down the "monopoly" of steam by backing another multimillion dollar company instead.
ClawSterling is just us unlocking a new skin so now we're not going to be bullied for not having any cool skins even though we've been playing Jimquisition for years.
Time to buy some Sterloot boxes to get yourself the perfect skin, Kellogs hummonculos,, the Clawinator sterling, or pay five shrimps to get the possibility to get a Gloveless Jim in your Sterloot box
@@Plankensen Pfft, yeah if you want to have your face punched in every day. Everyone and their dog has Gloveless Jim, you scrub! If you're not in the Pogfucker meta, you're just asking to get your lunch money stolen!
@@ScorpionAndZangief oh please get real noob, Pogfucker meta is so 3mins and 22 seconds ago. The new endgame meta is the Sterdust skin plus 15 shrimps for the additional Ursa Major Companion
@@Sonichero151 Um, yea I *totally* just got those! I'll show you the screencaps, I just have to, uh, get my phone from my...um, locker! Yeah, that's it! From my locker.
*runs home to beg parents for early allowance*
@@ScorpionAndZangief it's been a year...... You got that screen shot of Sterdust with the Ursa Major Companion?
I really wasn't against Epic Store at all at first, but the more I keep hearing from them (shitty store front, shady tactics) the more I'm against it.
Me too, when i heard it would get devs better cuts and incentive steam to be on better shape that was really something to be happy about. Even more, im pretty sure people would have been willing to forfeit a few features here and there that may not be all that important to enjoy certain games, but there lies the thing, it had to be up to the consumer to have that choice, the moment WEENEY comes out with his short dick throwing money around and saying "oh no bitch you are buying from ME" it lost me completely. On top of that the fact that reviews would come as optional for the devs to choose already risen some eyebrows that the epic shady store would not come forth for the consumer as did Valve or GOG.
@Top Dog lol pretty much. It was obvious from the beginning they were parasites.
So, changing your opinion based on gained information. Sounds good!
Yeah the new Jim Sterling claw skin is pretty sweet but you gotta pay $170 to get it.
No, that's what you pay to get past the first _tier._ Each tier is $170, to reach the claws you need clear ten tiers to gain permission to buy the claws for 1k. But only on the first three days. After that, the price doubles every few hours.
@@Blackemperess and each tier requires a lootbox purchase of $35......im sorry 3500 Boglin Points
@@thepassingstatic6268 But you can only buy Boglin Points in quantities of $10, $20, and $60, and you get the best "deal" on the $60 price point, so you have to spend $40-$60 to get something priced at $35 worth of Boglin Points.
Over $200 to get Lobster’s Pinch.
Or enter the promo code "digihom15dead" to unlock the claws for absolutely nothing.
With all this talk about Epic vs Steam, does anyone remember that GOG exists?
As wonderful as GOG is, The lack of any DRM is a big turn off for both Triple A and Indie developers alike. It's hard to get investors to agree to put their money on the line when definitive data on the consequences of piracy are still somehow unavailable...
@@moebiusjdx7288 This is false. There was an EU study on the impact of piracy but it was buried because it showed piracy basically had no impact.
This. I buy from GOG first because no DRM and it's owned by CDPR. Galaxy 2 is a brilliant idea as well.
That's the funniest joke I've seen all year. Almost as funny as people buying Witcher 3 on steam vs GOG.
I love GOG to pieces. Also love how amid all this shitstorm, they're just chilling off to the side like "hey guys, here's a sale."
I feel I need to add the point that DARQ, an indie game that just released and declined Epic's exclusivity deal, is also available now on GoG. It's not a Steam exclusive, and it seems other stores are open to hosting new indie titles. They may be on other store fronts as well.
Let me sum this up in three words said by a casual PC gamer. "Who is GoG?"
"Piracy is a Service Problem" - Gabe Newell
Consumers will not be forced to use an anti consumer, and now with this new indie developer being blocked by epic for refusing their deal, anti developer platform.
I'm afraid I cannot subscribe, Jim. I did that long time ago.
I'm... I'm already a subscriber, Jim.
You need extra accounts. Meow.
Why is everyone who gamed before say 2009 not subscribed?
Why is anyone with a brain who enjoys gaming not subscribed?
These are the problems that need study 🤔
i unsuscribed for this ;D
What we need is for Google to hurry up and install those newfangled chips in the brains of TH-camrs and add a button that gives them a dopamine hit when it gets pressed. Then existing subs can be grovelled to for that sweet sweet validation and good brain juice
Also we have consider that if EPIC gains the stranglehold they so desperately crave that 88/12 split won't be long for this world.
Capitalism 101
@@ksanbahlyngwa1998 *communists abusing a fairly free form of capitalism. its ironic how the worst companies in this regard are also the most socialist. Its the reason why I'm against laissez faire but am not against capitalism.
@@wisereaper4747 Human Nature 101 (the shitty part)
@@wisereaper4747 Hold up, communist and socialist are different things, and neither fall under the purview of 'extremely wealthy private industry people get to chuck money at a problem to get more money and control over an industry, while also furthering massive income disparity between workers and owners'. How'd you come to that conclusion?
@@megalomaniacalHalide How'd he come to that conclusion? Simple. He doesn't understand what communism, capitalism, or socialism are.
You realize the way Epic is playing with devs is exactly like a pay-to-win game operates.
No, no he doesn't.
*Slow clap for being genuinely clever*
Jim, I do thank god for you and all, but uh... Take care of yourself mate. Admitting that you're too tired on camera suddenly makes me VERY concerned you're Crunching YOURSELF.
he has admitted in the past videos that it is something he does.
@@bigkillkillbig I know that he has, and I'm just putting it out there that I don't want him to make himself sick, that's all. Also, with all of his recentish "Anti-Crunch" videos, I feel like using the term might cause him to reflect on how hypocritical it is to overwork yourself while telling others to unionize to prevent that.
He’s just tired from DDT’ing his opponents from the top turnbuckle.
let me guess, you sell herbalife
The claws are out this is gonna be good.
Don't think we forgive you for Epic-Storing Hades, Supergi... oh, my mistake, carry on.
One could say epic is paying to win.
Are all the ultra rich people paying to win too, I wonder?
@@neanderthal1989
They are just cosmetic.
@@brianedwardmorgan7304 dear God I hope you're being sarcastic or a troll. If you truly believe that I'll "Ghost Dad" you through the phone.
Edit: Oh wait you're the same person that orginally posted this comment. Lol Sarcasm it is, hooray!
Brian Edward Morgan you sir get a like for that comment
It would be funny if it werent so painful
The problem with Poisoning the Well with discussing topics like this is if the bad actors are allowed to dominate the conversation by other people just giving up because they are afraid of being compared to said bad actors then civil discourse of any kind is dead and people who realize that will start doing false flags to immediately get whichever side they don't like blacklisted, hell I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if those already happen, but those kind of tactics only work if we allow the bad outliers define the conversation, and Jim despite good intentions you are enabling the death of civil discourse by self censoring, we need as many rational voices as possible to stem the tide of bile!
When are the bile spewers ever "rational". Everybody has their point of view including content creators. While a civil critique of a creator goes a long ways, it is hardly the order of the day. And many of the "poisons" in your well are also part of either the "cultural Marxist" and or the "cancel culture" crowds who deem anything that offends their tender sensibilities to be worthy of Lynch mobbing. You cannot have a return to civil and rational discourse until you have 1. A basic respect whether good or bad of a person's point of view. And 2. An end to the plague of extremism. You don't scratch an itch by ripping the flesh off now do you?
“Like and subscribe” is effective not because it convinces people, but because it reminds them.
Buy games on GOG. If it ends up shutting down you can download the DRM free installer and have the game forever.
Problem solved!
Problem not solved. The games people wanted won’t be on GOG, since they’re Epic exclusive.
Like you can't torrent any of these games lol
If/When GOG shuts down, the distribution servers will go down with it. So no downloading installers out of thin air, unfortunately.
It's too bad that one can't put PC games on Epic and Apple on Steam or something.
@@GummyPants They are not going to shut down with no notice. If that where to happen you would most likely get a fair bit of time to download the files for any game you bought. Or if you are worried it would shut down out of the blue, just keep backups on a external drive.
Tim Sweeney's response to why they refused to sell DARQ was amazing. He claimed that they are still "hand curating" the games and therefore couldn't accomodate for it.
You offered them an exclusivity deal ffs. How can you say they don't meet your quality standards? If he's lying about something this blatantly obvious, I wonder how anything he says can still be taken seriously.
Obviously this game is too complicated for his brain and is made for tight audience circle (players who love games like Turgor or Pathologic) which is a sign for him that the game will not be sell out as much as he expects. So he wouldn't accept this indie game in his EpicFail store
DARQ would have been a big seller for EGS if they were able to get it. However, what EGS is after is not just select games that will be profitable for them, they're after select games that will be profitable for ONLY them.
And that's why EGS needs to be stopped.
It can't. Sweeny is a huckster, and people are so damned stupid today that they just shrug their shoulders when he gaslights them like that.
At this point, if Sweeney said that their company is viciously and maliciously trying to corner the market and force Steam out of business while doing not even the absolute minimum to statisfy the people they do rope into being on their platform, I still would at least double check what he said.
Everyone on YT acts like GOG simply doesn’t exist. Lol
Jim: “Steam has no competition and we need Epic”
GOG: “IM STANDING RIGHT HERE YA KNOW!!??!”
GOG's plan isn't exactly to compete with Steam, but rather to form a mutual symbiotic relationship with it and Epic Games through Galaxy 2.0. That's good for the customer's convenience having it all bundled into one easy to access location, but that kind of symbiosis leaves no room for competition when your competition could just pull their support out from under you if you try to oppose them.
@@jacobsmith4428 so GoG is like Shkler from Futurama?
GOG is great, but GOG is not Steam, its a classic/retro/indie sales platform. Sure, some big ticket games come out through them, but usually only if the publisher is cool with DRM-free files. (which most are not)
@@BewegteBilderrahmen Ehhhh... More like the worm parasites. It's good for improving business for all parties involved, but it's clear the ambition for being its own thing is just not there.
@@JamesQPurcell a lot more devs probably would be happy with it if suddenly much more customers bought on GOG, though. Piracy is after all mostly a service problem.
The Grandia victory theme at the end was just beautiful
That got me out of no where
So, basically Epic are running a passive-aggressive protection racket.
Also, thumbs up for dressing up as Commander Keen in Shakedown Hawaii.
"Oh I left this light on..." _PINCHES THE LIGHT CORD_
Been watching your vids for a while. Subbed only because you begged in tears.
I just sad about all this. Epic caused such a gigantic mess while dragging all these gaming devs w/ them
Jim, because you asked nicely, I have licked and circumscribed your video.
I guess that's better than circumcised.
@@canadademon Speak for yourself.
Circumscribed, is that like drawing on the foreskin or something?
Epic: Exclusive or GTFO
Dev: GTFO then
Epic: Wait come back
sadly .. they ain't even doing that, despite their spew about supporting indies. thus exposing their hypocrisy.
@@Jinkypigs They will at some point... A richer team is bound to happen at some point with even better deals and scummier practices, at which Epic will change its store for the best.
didn't Epic say they were going to open their store up to new devs some time in 2019? if they actually do that, what? are they just gonna blacklist SkateBIRD, DARQ, and other indie games that turned them down?
that sounds stupid and petulant, and yet is entirely likely.
@@galloviking4766 Yeah right. and I have a prime property on Mars to sell you. :P by that "time", the PC landscape will be as fragmented and unrecognisable as the console. God forbid.
Lol, steam biggest competitor is The Pirate Bay. All Epic do is force people go sailing.
Yeah, I'm not going to buy games that take Epic's deal, but I'm not going to steal from them either.
Yarr harr fiddle de dee
@Top Dog Twat
@@rylian21 It's not stealing since they don't lose any money. If you didn't plan on paying for a game that goes Epic exclusive they won't lose money if you pirate it. Is online piracy bad ? Yes and no. It depends in what context you pirate your games. I've bought more games because of piracy than I would've without it, I have around 100 games on steam and 25% of those are games I would've never bought but since I tried them without paying and I loved it I decided to buy it.
@@Nomilh same but I have 600
@jim sterling - think about this! The reason epic doesn't have a shopping cart on their store is the same reason why game developers use premium currencies. To obfuscate how much you're actually spending.
During a steam sale or w/e think about how sometimes you'll add a bunch of games to your cart and then it comes time to check out you see the total and you're like yeah... I don't need most of this. And so you get rid of some stuff.
You can't do that with epic. Not having a shopping cart removes a step in the payment process where you can decide not to buy something. And then when you're buying games 1 at a time you're usually only paying attention to whatever you're looking at currently and not thinking about how you just spent $50 on other games.
And with this in mind it paints epics lack of a shopping cart in a completely new and malicious light.
I use the luke skywalker clip saying "I'll never join you" whenever dealing with the epic games store
Glad I'm more of a console player, and right now my PC gaming is of a 2004 MMO that got resurrected.
@@JnEricsonx Color me intrigued. Which one?
@@Bancheis City of Heroes. :)
@@JnEricsonx Well on consoles this exclusivity bullshit is a daily bread, so I would not exacty call that a win.
@@JnEricsonx OMG I loved City of Heroes! Where did it get resurrected? I have been looking for a way to play that game again!
I didn't like and subscribe because you asked.
I liked and subscribed because I got to watch a grown man turn offer a pull-string light while wearing crab claws and I found that absolutely delightful.
You got a weird fetish my friend
@@laughnowcrylater3500 no kinkshaming on this channel ;)
I liked and subscribed because he asked. but also because I scrolled down to like, and it doesnt seem that I was subscribed. Im still not hitting that bell, though.
I don't like and subscribe because he asked but because he reminded me. I always forget to like videos even for channels I'm subscribed to.
Why werent you already subscribed matey?
What digital distribution platforms I used in 2011: Steam, Direct2Drive, EA Download manager
What exists now: Uplay, EA Origin, Steam, Battle net, Epic Games Store, Discord, Bethesda Launcher.
What Streaming services existed in 2011: Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime(?)
What exists now: CBS All Access, Netflix, Hulu Plus, Amazon Prime, Disney+, Warner Bros, Fox On Demand, HBO GO.
See a pattern? I know I do, it's just that the internet is becoming more and more monetized as more and more people use the internet for their entertainment needs. Corporations will take more and more control over time, just watch. It's already happening
I dont get the "generous revenue split" when 90% of 0 is still 0.
They promise minimum sales quotas or they pay the difference.
So not only do you get a larger revenue split, not only do you get paid for simply having your game exclusive on Epic, but in the end, if it doesn’t sell, they’ll pay you as if it did anyway.
It’s financially sound. All you need to do is sell your soul to the devil.
I want GOG to become a major player. i would gladly move over there with my games etc. Heck they have a system that moves some steam games to their own storefront. THAT is good CS.
They arent in danger of going anywhere if you were unaware GOG is owned by cd projekt red who have mega fuck you money since the smash hits of witcher 2 and 3 plus the hype and pre orders around cyberpunk plus the revenue from gog
@Dahn They are still pretty small compared to Steam and Epic, mostly because they have few AAA games (apart from their own) and the ones they do have are a few years old at least. But the GoG Galaxy 2.0 launcher looks really promising, and might give them an additioal push, and Cyberpunk will probably help even more. If you havn't heard what it is it will merge all your games from all storefronts (including Playstation and Xbox) and give you access to achievements, friend lists and so on in one client. (Edited for clarification)
MithrilRoshi buy DARQ on GOG
@@criwall That sounds amazing, the problem I have is that my steam library is so big that when I want to play a game I go to steam, but that makes me not even think about my other games on the other clients. but having all of my games together in one long list is a godsend.
@@criwall They do have AAA games - Metro series, Mafia series, XCOM series, Dying Light, to name a few. But they are getting them after long delay. Well, I don't mind going high seas until then.
Wait, people with legit complaints about the behavior and the ethics of people and companies are getting lumped in with morons who use death threats, and other dogpiling behavior? That has never happened before in the gaming industry.
But we who don't do everything possible to separate ourselves from them are doing ourselves no favors. Should we have to? No. But it's the reality of the situation. If we don't show that most of us are civil by denouncing those that are not we'll continue to be ignored thanks to the toxic sub-section in this cause we are fighting for.
@@PathBeyondTheDark It doesn't matter. No matter how often you denounce it people will always say your rhetoric is the cause of it. It is just an easy way to attack you without using arguments.
@@antman1672 If we believed our actions were in vein every time we're asked to step up, then we wouldn't be fighting a battle against multi-billion dollar conglomerates. One of my favorite quotes ever: "Doesn't matter where we come from, what we've done-or even if we make a difference. We live as though the world were as it should be-to show it what it can be." If they do not listen, then we can never say we didn't at least try to do it the right way. Don't sink to their level.
Came here to say this. This video would've been fitting years ago.
@@PathBeyondTheDark No matter how much you do that, they'll just use that "toxic sub-section" against you anyway, that's how journalism works these days, they post the stuff that generates the clicks and so that'll be stuff that'll cause even MORE toxicity, not the good stuff about the good people.
I had to fight Epic store support for two weeks because I had bought and installed Hades, uninstalled it to try to reinstall because of an update error, and it vanished out of my library. Epic told me the game dev/Supergiant had to field the issue but Supergiant had nothing they could do for me.
I had to rebuy the damn game, since I love it and Supergiant and Hades so much. But I cant get the taste of being scammed out of my mouth.
hot damn, the EGS sure is amazing.
So, how is hades by the way? Could cerebus be petted?
You shouldn't have caved in, you had a receipt when you bought the game initially. They should have just added it back to your library.
yep. you were scammed
Same thing happened with me for satisfactory. When they wouldn't do anything I said okay I'll do a chargeback on my card.. the didn't like that and I no longer have an epic account
my account is suspended temporarily for idk how many months, cba doing anything about it since all that is on there is shit games they gave away for free anyway, which if i wanted to play i could just browse TPB for 5 minutes
I definitely started liking and subscribing after someone explained how that helps content creators manage TH-cam's BS at least a little better.
No Crab Rave, 11/10, would watch again but only in hopes of a crab rave.
Jim, you’re the only person who I can take seriously despite them wearing giant crab claws
Corvo Fox-Gray I’ve seen them in my recommended section but never listened. I’ll give them a shot. Thanks!
The crab claws are the secret to being taken seriously, actually.
Corvo Fox-Gray Yes, but he doesn’t wear crab claws, does he?
If only all proper journalists wore crab claws, then we would finally be free of fake news and disinformation! But alas...
I actually take him MORE seriously when he wears them, honestly.
You know why I love this man? Because he is dangerous to the cAAApitalism and never minces his words. Hope more people start to think this way.
Anyone know where that "biggest weapon" screen at 4:12 is from?
Epic: Hello promising indie developer, would you like to appear on our storefront? Just take this cash and forget all the promises you made before!
>not interested
Epic: Well fine, we don't want you anyways!
(Oh but don't worry guys, Epic is still totally the good guys, right? Tim Sweeney said so!)
Oh my god. Do you know what you've done? You've just described Epic as an r/niceguy. And it kinda _works_
@@paulinapaola ..LOL I never made that connection but it DOES make sense
Worst part is there are people still defending them even tho everything points at Epic being a manifestation of botomless greed.
Accurate, just want to add...
Indies: Erm, Valve/Gaben, do you want to make a better deal or improve your storefront?
Gaben: Nah, fuck you, we'll give AAA pubs the better revenue split and continue to bury you under mountains of shit because you have no other choice.
@@entitledOne At this stage, neither Valve nor Epic are anything but manifestations of bottomless greed (Though EA/Acti do lead that race).
Valve could SO easily match the revenue split for indies but don't (Only handing it out to the AAA pubs) and can afford to hire people to stop the avalanche of shit being launched on Steam but don't.
Hey, Jim, as a complete Epic hater I don’t disagree with a single word you’ve said. Keep up the good work.
*Tencent will remember that*
That's my exact problem with this guy. All you idiots call anyone who associates with Epic the absolute worst things, and then you follow it up by linking Jim's videos. I don't know how he can pretend to absolve himself of responsibility for this mob.
You actually think these so called urinalist makes a good pr? probably for woke people but not many lol
Was that a song from Grandia at the end? Sounded familiar but I can't quite place it.
Jim Sterling what song are you playing in the background at @11:00? It's stuck in my head now =/
"You will have our full support... *when you bend the knee.* "
(I know, long past relevant at this point, but whatever.)
We do not kneel. :)
That's right...
I'm guessing you're not making a H*R reference.
Well it's either that or, "You'll have no support and we'll take 1/3 of your earnings" on Steam, so bending the knee doesn't seem all that bad.
@@Maniac742 Looks like absolutely hating UE4 is finally coming up millhouse.
@@Maniac742 Boy please, you keep kneeling. Many of us have been wildly successful long before Epics shitty story and ultimatum came along. You keep kneeling though. Not all of us are built the same, that's for sure.
So.. Steam or Epic?
Answer: GOG
itch.io also works. DRM-Free (May even include a Steam Key as LISA: The Painful RPG does), Name Your Price, launcher-free, and game updates are entirely manual (Assuming you prefer to manually apply patches to your games of course).
Check your desired game's PC Gaming Wiki article. They often are well informed as to where a game's sold whether it'd be on their own site, Steam, Humble Bundle, etc., and if it comes with DRM or not.
GOG is great, one of my favourite storefronts.
And if GOG is not available, piracy :v
GOG maybe abusing its employees from what I've read so that convinience might come off with a price of someone's sanity. It's better than Epic, sure, but it is a loooooong way from being OK.
@@mikhailchuev8715 the question is - how old these articles are? Because let's be honest - it really makes difference if those articles which you read talk about pretty old times because then it's hard to tell that they are treating them bad right now or that they don't.
Looks like Epic is is using the crab bucket strategy - attempting to win by pulling the rest down.
The problem with that is that in the end, nobody gets out the bucket and everyone gets steamed and served at the casino.
Just to put this in perspective, the guys who made Rebel Galaxy Outlaw(Shown in the background of the thumbnail image for this video) don't seem to have faced nearly the level of vitriol from their fans after making the unexpected move towards EGS, and it's actually a good case study, as it and Orb's dev took exact opposite approaches.
RGO was announced to be exclusive with reluctance, with the devs apologizing for it, but then laying out why they did it(To help add polish to the Console versions of the game, which were then also delayed for that polish), and hoping everyone can understand. And while they probably faced some bad vibes over it, there was in no way the same outpouring of hate that Orb's devs got due their their antagonistic approach(It also helps that RGO was not crowd funded, and thus, didn't lie to steal money).
“Sensible, calm, rational...” Not holding my breath either.
Say what you want about Steam at least they have REGIONAL PRICING
Lol, Epic doesn't even do business in all the regions. 😂
Hell, say what you want about Steam, at least they have a SHOPPING CART.
Steam does sell expensive games in all regions!
You're saying regional pricing is a good thing?
Back when I was living in Chula Vista, California, the Epic Game Store refused to do business with me, saying they don't support my country, I WAS going to pay for the game I wanted to play, but after about two hours of trying and being unable to generate a support ticket since it was redirecting me to the FAQ, I just pirated it.
that's a lot of meme images that are perfect for the occasion. How you find so many?
All those 90s cartoon clips hit me like a truck of nostalgia
It's a decent community that is shown a divisive topic and just makes endless jokes about claws.
Good on you Jim, and good on you community.
On point of the whole "Epic Exclusivity " thing I can't help but mention that a lot of people including myself aren't hateful towards the idea that developers want to earn money, too. A game is generally better when people can work on it without fears or discomfort and a good revenue cut helps people who are scared of being homeless do a better job without anxiety.
The problem is HOW you justify this move. Borderlands completely harrassed and spit on the players who were displeased with the move, Ooblets decided to try and be philosophical about it, etc.
Just do what a normal person would do and get off your high horse if you're a developer in this sort of situation. You're not above everyone else and you're not below everyone else. Be transparent in your decision and don't fuck over people either. If your game is a kickstarter game you have no right to complain about people confronting you when months before you said it would come to Steam and suddenly it's "COUGH COUGH UM STEAM? UHHHH MAYBE IN 2024!". Seriously, how hard can it be to just say "We are sorry to announce to the people who looked forward to the release of our game on [Platform name]. The revenue cut we receive from Epic Games is simply better for our company and really helps us as developers make an affordable living off of doing what we love. It's understandable if most of you are disappointed by this move, but we hope you can understand the reason for our decision."? It's ALWAYS some CEO fucktard going on Twitter being like "YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK STEAM I LOVE EPIC SUCK MY DICK YOU MAD?" and then everyone is tooooooooooootally shocked that gamers HATE Epic Games. This exclusivity deal brings out the worst in people on BOTH sides and if people treated this decision with more respect for both the customer AND the company it wouldn't even be bad. This is why people who represent a company negatively should be FIRED from said company. COUGHGearboxCOUGH.
Well said. And remember: as Jim undoubtedly said in the past, you simply _can’t_ give these corporations any breathing room; give them an inch, they’ll take the whole fucking _country._
Also, great profile pic! Always nice to meet a fellow Fates fan. ;)
Just remember exclusivity is a monopoly according to the US government, with precedent in Paramount V United States, and legislation of anti trust laws could end up putting Indy studios into a complete hell of trying to comply and make their game available on all possible platforms before they can sell it. Imagine needing to develop a 1 to 1 Android/iOS port, a switch port, an Xbone PS4 port, and a Linux and Mac port before being able to sell a single copy... all because studios kept taking the short term payout from epic.
I mean, I suppose you can't blame them for taking the deal, but will you feel sorry for these indie studios that die off due to this legislation. I mean, of course some of you will, people feel sorry for the ooblets developers that poked the wasp nest with their announcement and are now getting swarmed by the angry wasps, but in the long term people won't feel sorry for them. Its just a time where all you can say is "oh dear this has all gone to shit"
@@SherrifOfNottingham you're taking "exclusives" way out of context and trying to shove a square peg in a round slot to fit your argument. Disagree with Epic or whomever but twisting facts only kills your argument.
"The revenue cut we receive from Epic Games is simply better for our company and really helps us as developers make an affordable living off of doing what we love."
Nobody goes to Epic because of the revenue cut. They accept exclusivity because of the instant up-front money Epic gives them.
@@miceandgods4171 except I'm not, or do you not known the precedent I'm speaking of and simply throwing out an excuse
Oddworld inhabitants have just announced a deal with the epic store for their upcoming title SoulStorm, so far they have handled the announcement quite well and were very upfront about it being of benefit to them as an Indie developer, their community has taken it quite well so far, this is how it should be if a decision like this is to be made.
Does anybody know the name of that song at the end?
I despise platforms without a review system.
@-- Cool story bro. Doesn't mean he has to like it just because millions of other people do.
If you noticed he said "I".
Agreed! Also, as much as I hate how toxic game forums can be, Being able to go there and get game support is great... It's disgusting how epic customers have to run to steam forums for technical support.
User review systems baked into the platform they're reviewing on are inherently untrustworthy, in my experience. I find general word of mouth is just that much more helpful.
@@AnnDVine Can you give me examples of your experience?
@-- Of course they are, because they would throw money at Nintendo even if every game login came with a colonoscopy.
Why not Zoidberg.....I mean Jim Sterling.
I really miss the old intro. Keep being you
Is the Ion Fury you showed up related to the whole ResetEra shenanigans?
Unraveler yup of course he doesn’t fact check or he is like me and I would actually buy the game :) because the said some biological stuff genders and children and usually leftist and szzexist stuff is overblown anyway
Yeah, one guy in a completely unrelated conversation was talking about some trans stuff and seemed a bit ignorant, but not transphobic as that article is trying to pass it off as. I'm sad Jim didn't seem to actually read the "damning" posts himself, or I would hope he could understand the difference between young ignorance and hate.
@@Orthus100 Seems a little hypocrite of Jim in the context of this video - since he was just talking about Ooblets dev's massages being fake, and he proceeds to jump on a conclusion of another game!
Unraveler oooh Jim is a hypocrite! what a surprise hahahah
Honestly, I watch the Jimquisition for all of the great fashion sense that Jim shows off each week. Thank God for Jim!
Same here. Very fashionable.~
Metro Exodus wasn't removed from steam a month after release. It was removed 3 weeks before release having had a steam page since E3 2017. Also they snuck in Denuvo two weeks before that.
I played the first Metro game and hated it, while it looked nice and the story was interesting, I just hated the back and forth gameplay and gave up. Now I hate that series and say fuck the devs.
@@thedarkdragon89 it's alright if you didn't like the game, you have no moral obligation to like it.
But don't miss the target - it's deep silver who are probably responsible for most of those issues.
@@Mernom doesn't matter to me, they're just more China funded scum now.
@@Mernom One would think that after Randy trying to push blame to his publisher, that you people would realize that the "DEVELOPERS ARE INNOCENT SAINTS!"-narrative is bullshit.
@@jensaversjo316 Not every situation is identical. Occam's razor: the simplest solutions is often the correct solution. People who paid attention already knew Randy Cringeford was a scumbag as far back as 2013. We've also already known Gearbox was a sub-par studio who caught a lucky break making one popular game.
4A games has never shown a history of doing scummy shit until Deepsilver, Deepsilver also has a long history of controversy. The first Metro game was not released under Deepsilver as a publisher, and it was released without controversy. Metro: Last Light was published under Deepsilver and they sold a difficulty mode separately for $10. Now Exodus did what they did.
Are the devs completely innocent in this mess? Probably not but it's not some great leap of logic to assume Deepsilver holds the lion share of blame. Deepsilver may not have as much notoriety as EA, but they are every bit as terrible.
What is the song at the credits in this one?
I love the claws, but might I ask what your thoughs are on Tencent and its involvment in the chinese social credit app that is about to become mandatory?
Jim's love of sweet buffet crab has clearly gone too far. He's more crab than man now... Get the butter.
He will become the crab monster from One Punch Man at this rate
Bernardo Heusi get a bald cap
The golden rule eh?
He who has the gold makes the rules. It's shitty, but it certainly hasn't changed even after centuries huh?
That explains America
@@nathanielgarza9198 Doesnt it though
Yep, that is America. Full of blowhards that are nothing more then lapdogs to rich objectivising Neo-Liberals who consider all of us disposable. Heh I like to think that every government is run by rich elitist who only looks out for themselves, but I have never known other governments
The issue is not manpower it is that so many people still have not realized they are being screwed
@@nathanielgarza9198 It's also apathy. Too many aren't willing to do what it takes because someone else will.
Bethesda did another oopsie. they added in an advertisement in their newest patch in-game for their atom shop at just "one location" but in-game its at every single train station (train stations being the main vendor hubs across the map) and the thing has a "swag" covered vault boy cutout with the "ATOM STORE" above his head in bright fucking lights.
15:20 Not only the possibility of these splinters failing... But the having to store my library of purchased video games across a dozen different stores is a pain in the ass.
We're going to wind up needing a store storefront just to start grouping where to even get the games back together.
You wasted an opportunity for a mr Krabs joke in the beginning
Have you seen Respawn Dev talking to the fan base over the cosmetic ordeal? It would make a good follow up video.
Why are you “freeloading” and not paying for Jim’s Patron. Get out if you don’t. it’s not like most of the people watching him don’t pay.
@@badfrad1754 I am so sorry 😓 You have made me see the errors of my ways
Respawn WERE amazing before Apex Legends
Revolver Ocelot I think it’s sarcastic when he says that but I’m not sure...
Brendan Pulda I'm honestly bewildered why gamers keep buying these items?! I was thinking for the price of a skin or 2 in a game u can find games like God of War on sale in the PS Store for £25 for e.g! 🤔 God of War or 2 skins tough decision... lol. Ppl even stick up for devs and publishers! I had loads of ppl tell me I'm an idiot for complaining about microtransactions in Dead by Daylight
I really disagree with the Ooblets devs being exempt from criticism because people threatened them. To be clear, I'd like for people who send death threats to live with that fear for a week, or even a day. Absolute shitheads.
But the Ooblets devs did absolutely nothing to win themselves any favors, and to refrain from criticizing them because some people are scum.. I don't see how that works.
Unfortunately, because of the asshats who go too far and harass devs like them, their shitty actions of harassment, deaththreats and slurs overshadow the criticism regarding the dev's dismissive behavior towards their audience. As Jim puts it in the video " it poisons the well". So instead of looking at the devs for their poor PR, people will write off the criticism as " oh those are just those psycho toxic gamers who get mad over everything"
Yeah, the Ooblet devs did what they did fully knowing the controversy that would happen and rode the coattails of it to the bank. I'm just fucking angry we always get the threat-crowd. They're making the discussion toxic to even touch.
@@NekoDalian Oh, I agree. After the previous controversies though which had people trying to downplay it or go for "It's good for the future of the studio, please understand that." I think "Lololol muppets! Lolol !" was very much a calculated provocation. And the hate-crowd reacted predictably, and people like Jim and the staff at Kotaku, PCGamer etc can jsut wash their hands and go. "Well that means no legit criticism!"
They conducted themselves bad yes, but the day after 3 gaming channels I follow, jim Sterling, Bellular, Yong Yea all have been pilling on them and stirring the flames instead of just saying “the devs tried to be funny/silly about it but ended up annoying people even more”. And instead of making it a throwaway comment they focused 20 minute long videos as their main story for the day.
The main issue is that this is a game being backed by the people. It was crowdfunded through patreon. If the people that are funding it have an issue with how it's launched, there's something to be said about actively going against one's own consumer base just to prove a point. That'd be like telling people who funded mighty no. 9 that they can't be upset at the final product.
The makers of Ooblets are not exempt from critique. It's fair for a community that funded a game to point out that they can no longer purchase it. Siding with Epic was a conscious decision that they made from a business standpoint, made the post directly after patreon made their recurring fee cycle for the month, and whatnot.
I completely agree with Grenyn's comment.
Does anyone remember the unreal series... I miss it. Now it's lost forever.
Now it's legacy is the Unreal Engine.
You really couldn't come up with a joke for those gloves, when your past TWO videos were dedicated to sweet casino buffet crab!!
Lol great as always
"There's a new bubsy game out, but there's no CLAWS for alarm! It's... it's still terrible."
You are what you eat mabye?
I was half expecting the dancing crab meme in Jim Sterling grunts.
I mean, they're big, meaty claws. Did he ever need an explanation?
Those are _CLEARLY_ lobster claws. Get your facts straight you ignorant *_skeleton warrior_*
I didn't realize I haven't subscribed in 4 years until he mentioned it.
Classic youtube, not showing you the stuff you actually subscribed to, but showing stuff you're not to like you have.
Where can I listen to that out-tro music?
Never thought I would see Fraiser stills in a Jimquisition.
Well, I didn't expect the Grandia Fanfare at the end. Jim must be playing the new Switch release.
I wasnt the only one that caught this! XDDDDD
This is exactly what I was thinking. The nostalgia is real.
Im playing it right now! Never played the first game before! Its fantastic!
@@vkermodekumav8949 It was my favourite game when I was younger, despite not really playing many JRPGs. The sequel is good too, although I connected more with the first!
@@vkermodekumav8949 One of the best JRPGs of all time. I'm really glad you are enjoying it! :)
I only buy games on Steam and GOG. Epic can go kick rocks.
This is honestly the best tactic if you don't agree with Epic's business model. If we don't buy, they don't succeed. I feel sorry for the small indies stuck in the middle, but not sorry enough to do business through Epic to support them.
no, that's too good for them, they can go pound sand
@@666Tomato666 It would be more entertaining if they pulled a David Carradine.
Just another toxic gamer throwing a tantrum. Steam can go fuck itself.
I often don't like and sub because I just roll on to the next video. I'm typically rolling around at the speed of sound. I've got places to go,. Gotta follow my rainbow. Can't stick around, have to keep movin' on, guess what lies ahead? Only one way to find out!
Must keep on movin' ahead. No time for guessin', follow my plan instead; trusting in what you can't see. Take my lead, I'll set you free.
Follow me - set me free - trust me
And we will escape from the city.
The youtube algorithm will keep me watching their videos for a while if I like them. It's good to get reminders so when I am in a different mood and realize how much I like/watch a certain channel; I'll often subscribe and/or like the vid.
If you read all of that, cool. You're cool. Hi.
What is that outro music, and where the heck can I get it?!
Are you feeling it now, Mr. Krabs?
Are you having some faith now, Mr. Morgan?
@@InfectiousViper i HaVe A pLaN
@@Snairster goin ta' TAHITI!
The problem with Epic is that in the UK, what they're doing is outright illegal.
Doesn't matter. They have money. The legal system can be bought.
Not only the UK, all of Europe. Not only the monopoly thing, heck they don't even comply to the GDPR last time I checked.
Not entirely sure, but I think what they're doing is against US anti-trust laws, too.Problem is it takes a million years for the law to catch up with shit like this.
Which law are they breaking?
Rooster the Sherman Anti Trust Act
what's the music at the end ?
I've heard that ending credits tune before... what is that?
Jim. No joke today? Why are you being so shellfish.
Love the outro song.
It's Grandia's victory theme.
@@leandroeidi I nodded off when I was watching and woke up suddenly at the end with a burst of pure nostalgia when the theme kicked in.
Rational criticism is the proper path to take. GoG and Steam are the only platforms I use, and I refuse to use EGS.
Devs don’t deserve abuse of person, but do deserve criticism on merit.
And this is my personal view: #fuckegs
Why all the hate for eggs?
@@ericbjork3722 I know right? They are delicious! I personally like them scrambled, but an omelet is really good too!
@@trithos7308 Can't go wrong with a good omelet. But scrambled with salt, pepper, and a dash of paprika? Yum!!
Why Steam? If you want to park on the "moral high ground" shouldn't you strike Steam off your list as well? I mean, they offer a comparable revenue split but only to AAA publishers who don't actually need it (Sales over $50 million have Steam take 20% instead of 30%)? They refuse to stem the tide of shit being launched on their platform with proper curation.
@DaemorothD Here is the thing: if GoG were as big as Steam, had the same vast library as steam, and all games from the AAA and indies came on GoG drm Free, I’d happily switch.
But since it doesn’t, I have to use both.
I am glad you are reminding people to like and subscribe. I mean, TH-cam is brand new and viewers may not understand the options yet. Maybe, also, the clearly located icons under the video should be three times as big. Can't be too clear, right?
This is literally the first time I have seen an actual thorough explanation of what the problem with Epic is. THANK YOU. I have for months basically just rolled my eyes at the entire topic because every thing I have seen has seemed like click baity, drama thirsty nonsense, or just hollow comments from people on livestreams or whatever. You would think people would LEAD with the shady business practices instead of just screaming "EPIC BAD, URGGH!" I seriously had someone explain to me that their issue with Epic was the lack of features within the app itself. Actually, I believe it was more than one person that cited the software not having features that Steam has to me.
Epic Games with an Epic problem, that require Epic crab claws to cut out its Epic BS.
I always forget about the Jimquistion and then I see it and Monday isn't so bad anymore.
Wow, this was actually a really well thought out dissection of the Epic Store. Also I hadn't realized they weren't allowing non exclusives on the store, big bummer on that one. I agree that indie developers probably should take the deal for now, but it's such a complicated situation when the backlash is so toxic.
I subscribed. Honestly, I thought I already had, ive been watching these damn things for years.