When the new Lara Craft model came up - I was ewxspecting to hear some whining about her breasts being less than double D. How did the actual story end up to be dumber? So basically they are doing Phrenology again, but for video game characters?
The new Lara Croft's tits are actually larger than the last redesign she went through, and yet I wouldn't have been surprised if they started complaining about it nonetheless. This time around she kinda looks like what a porn star would look like with clothes on to me, which I don't personally enjoy all that much but I though certain elements of the community would. Instead they fucking transvestigate her. You what mate? I enjoy anime girls as much as the next tranfem gal, but I do have a firm grasp of what cis women tend to look like and I'm well aware that real women, cis or trans, don't look like in anime. This is hentai brain, there is no other way to look at it, and I speak as someone who does like hentai.
They're doing it to real people too. Just watch as they point at any real woman that doesn't meet their requirements and screech that they're secretly men. (And yes there's also transphobia and racism and antisemitism baked into that stuff too.)
i'm responsible for a nude model drawing class. the amount of times i've been hit with gross commentaries on a female model's body from a supposedly 'professional' or 'serious' male artist is staggering. luckily most people understand what an art class is and how to act but it still baffles me some dudes will do this - like the model's body is theirs to sexualise in a setting that is very obviously NOT ABOUT THAT.
the real headline for the horizon girl should have been "holy shit guys this game is so detailed they even rendered the way light hits the peach fuzz on her cheek this is fuckin bananas"
don't put it past these people. they'd probably be happy to introduce phrenology and by proxy, eugenics again. actually, I think more than 75% of them would love to bring those two things back. : /
With "artificial intelligence", they don't even need to physically measure the skull. Just take a photo and let the algorithms do the phrenology for them!
Anyone remember a simpler time when the entire Internet was drooling like mad over a 10 foot tall vampire mommy. Her Romanian jawline was pretty effing square
New Lara's jaw is less wide than Angelina Jolie's, who was at the time of the Tomb Raider films considered one of if not the most attractive women on earth.
I never actually found her that attractive personally. It had nothing to do with her chin, but I also don't have a real reason. She just never really did it for me.
@@Dante2056 3/10s gather below to discuss how you totally wouldnt touch attractive ladies who'd never even look at you. Pats on the back will be distributed later.
Ironically their desperate rejection of the Venus leave them only with options involving Peenus. I'm not a fan of the "They're just repressed" mentality but at this point, I can't say there isn't SOME merit to it.
Damnnnn may we use that last line as a comeback?? Like that was smooth. Seriously though, nothing tells me a person doesn't interact with cis women quicker than complaining about video game women having anything but the extremely narrow jawline, and any degree of body hair.
Oh my god I hate how now that I came out everyone who used to mock me or comment on how I was feminine suddenly has a list of reasons why I'm a handsome man. It really makes you realize how arbitrary all this shit is.
@@Bhawk921Isn't that also known as Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann Woke? The anti-woke had better watch out then, because unlike them, SGGLW has the power to smash galaxies onto their heads.
Nonsensical discourse aside, male chins in 1990s and early 2000s cartoons were something else. The Tick had one of the largest by far and Crimson Chin was an obvious parody of this trend (I'm also pretty sure Transformers Animated Sentinel Prime's chin was based on The Tick's chin but it's slightly shorter).
That's pretty accurate. Anti-wokeism is, at present, the exact thing that used to be decried as "Tumblr SJW hysteria" ten years ago, and the same thing as the Satanic Panic and the other half dozen times the Religious Right tried this nonsense. It's the same exact process of making up incoherent nonsense to be outraged about, claiming it's the result of some insidious secret cabal of evil people conspiring to destroy society, and providing absolutely zero evidence for any of that ever actually being a real issue. Except instead of people complaining about "manspreading" or hidden messages in metal music or whatever, now it's "millennial writing" or "woke chins" or whatever other boogeyman of the week is being blamed for reactionary fears of time moving forward and the world changing in any way. Fortunately, reality exists. The Venn diagram between "moral panic" and "real issue that needs to be taken seriously" is two circles.
The only thought I had about the new Lara art was "Huh, I never realized Lara Croft and Leon Kennedy looked so much alike. I wonder if anyone's made a crossover fanfic where they're related."
... Well now I'm curious as to how the Kennedy's split from the Crofts to go from British aristocracy to smalltime Americans. And what Wesker would do with a genuine supernatural artefact: if he'd use it for his own gains or try to destroy it because anything supernatural isn't part of his vision of a perfectly globally saturated world, etc.
The other thing of course is the fact that it was completely removed (along with a bunch of other stuff) from one particular version of the game. One that insomniac had no problem whatsoever making or should I say making changes for. Funny how that is.
I dated a woman for many years that was self conscious about inheriting her father's cleft chin and dark eyebrows (she was blonde and fair skinned so made them stand out). She thought she looked masculine despite being a sundress wearing, sweet tea and homecookin' southern girl who knitted amd sewed as hobbies. We may not be together anymore, but she is my friend and I hope she doesn't run into any of these "transvestigators"
It's funny how people "investigate" whether someone or some character is trans, and their conclusion is that everyone, real or fictional, is trans. They have a hammer, and everything is nails.
When you've convinced yourself that anyone could secretly be trans, and you only need to look hard enough to spot the signs, eventually you start seeing secret trans people everywhere.
I mean, when Tumblr was transing characters--it was largely for more representation. Well, the parts that weren't people taking the urine (a lot of Tumblr's transing characters was irony poisoned jokes) This is like a really really sad mirror world version of that
I was genuinely confused when this started happening. I thought it was a 4chan joke that morphed into real anger (this happens more often than you’d think). No, people really are mad about chins on the internet. 😂😂😂
@@Abrasive-Heat It’s the double standards and the fact they don’t allow sexy women in western games now. Companies like Sony want to censor things like costumes for Eve in Stellar Blade yet they allow actual sex scenes and nudity with Abby in the last of us. Sony also damn near killed a franchise I like called Senran Kagura which was an anime game with fan service. It just sucks how we aren’t allowed to like sexy women in western video games unless they are ugly, trans, or gay. Meanwhile we have eastern games that have no problem creating good looking characters so we just play those now. Same thing happened to American comics, they went woke now Japanese manga dominates global sales. You most likely won’t listen or care but it’s obvious this is an issue. There are DEI consulting companies working on all these big games and they straight up tell you they do these things like alter designs and stories to be more “inclusive” for “modern audiences”
@@OfficerGeorgeSewell How does that comparison make any sense? Whining about more people being into gaming thus more new games that are varied vs. a youtuber losing subscribers after coming out
I mean, the Bioshock thing was "fixing" people in general, not just women, but yeah, a whole lot of "Beauty is not just a virtue, it is a moral obligation..." going on these days.
This is where we are now, though. Everyone wants to keep tweaking designs to appease. Can't be too feminine or it will be "too sexualized." Can't be too average or it'll be "too ugly or masculine looking." You can't win, everything must be a fight
@@ackvendordon’t respond to the tiny child above, he is just rage baiting whilst sat in his Cheeto stained underwear that mum hasn’t washed for him this month
@@Kabullo76 If Women in the video games somehow need to smile more than the males and video games are way overdue. Fucking tired of playing these fucking depressive shits.
You know, sometimes I feel quite bad about myself. Like I don't do enough stuff to make the world better, I don't have the energy to do things I want to do, I'm too anxious and have too many hangups and I can be absolutely shit at socializing, with my foot living comfortably in my mouth at all times. I spend days convinced I literally stink, and that everyone secretly despises me and only puts up with me because sometimes I can do stuff for them like fix their computer or something. And then I realize that, you know what? There are dudes on the internet who are angry at chins being too woke. Compared to them, I'm absolutely awesome or at least, you know, halfway decent, kind-of-acceptable.
I am of the opinion that there is a certain inherent value in any and every person. Some diminish or obliterate that value by dedicating themselves to malicious pursuits, true, but most of us want to help build the world we want to live in, and that means pretty much any of us could end up having all kinds of abilities or unique talents that nobody even suspected until they manifested. Having others believe in us, and feeling confidence in oneself, helps us find the things we can do. Being beaten down verbally (or even physically), having our confidence undermined and our trust betrayed, and generally being damaged by our environment and the people we share it with, on the other hand... makes it considerably harder to find those things. Can be hard to avoid, though, if one is unlucky enough to end up in those situations. Best wishes, and just keep being your best self. You'll find things you can do. =)
well you might not have done much but your pretty good at gaslighting.. but then thats a inherent part of the ideology youve sided with.. "its not happening and your crazy for saying it is" until "it is happening and your a bigot if you dont like it". i wont bother listing off the topics that have played out like this as it would take all day.. i assume you guys are claiming female character models are not being made to appear more masculine and its just art direction? is that right?
@@awakeandwatching953 What we're saying is that not every female character needs to look the same, and it's pretty neat that some companies are starting to get a little bit more interesting with their character designs rather than just cater to the part of the audience who just want the exact same female model every time. We're saying it's art direction and that it's not a problem. And we're saying whining about chins as if they were a real problem (like crunch, transphobia, or layoffs are) is pretty pathetic. Even IF they were making female characters "more masculine" - so fucking what? It's not happening but even if it was, it wouldn't be a problem. If you want a character to wank to, there are plenty of those already available. Not every single female character needs to cater to your taste in women. The idea that every character needs to be "attractive" is absolutely insane.
OMG! It’s Foppington’s Law again! To quote ContraPoints: “Once bigotry or self-loathing permeate a given community, it is only a matter of time before deep metaphysical significance is assigned to the shape of human skulls.”
thats some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.. also its not a human skull, its a 3d model.. funny how you guys can see eugenics every where but the one place its most apparent.. the trans movement
@@awakeandwatching953Your entire argument is “No you” plus some blatant avoidance of the entire point of the video. People are measuring skulls for video game characters as well as real people.
@@awakeandwatching953...the realistic 3D model is based on a real human full, literally in this case because modern-day video games scan actual real live human actors to use as bases to build the 3D models on. It's like a Nazi saying "Oh it's not a Jew it's an enemy of the state!" Also, in terms of eugenics what are they killing off and replacing at mass critical levels? A bunch of Rwandans wanna have a word with you.
Don't tell them about the long history of their beloved classic old fashioned beauties from the Roman empire often being portrayed by cis men in theatre and art modelling.
I assume your knowledge about that is skin deep. Michelangelo did paint females as males with tits. He was very good with the male form, i wonder why...
I've been watching handmaid's tale and there's a scene where Commander Lawrence is telling June that Gilead will kill her daughter and June says "they wouldn't... they care about children. That's the whole point of this place" and Lawrence replies "you're smarter than that. They don't care about children. They care about power."
So, I'm trans... I'm also predominantly Scandinavian (Blonde hair, broad shoulders, chonky, etc.) If someone looks at me and says "You're a man, I can tell by your jaw" I would laugh in their face because I look like a carbon copy of my mom, my aunts, and my grandmother... Because that's just how Scandinavian genetics work. We look like clones.
If I know my Scandinavian ladies correctly, saying they "Look like men/are men" would be one hell of a ticket to getting your spine snapped like a twig by the lady in question. At best they,ll let you off with a broken jaw. They don't mess around at all and take shit from absolutely nobody.
"Foppington's Law : Once bigotry or self-loathing permeate a given community, it is only a matter of time before metaphysical significance is assigned to the shape of human skulls."
ah yes its bigotry that people are opposed to a radical ideology that has taken over a form of media where the activist devs/publishers are not only bragging about said ideology they are also happy to announce their hate for straight white men.. this is well documented but keep gaslighting, im sure theres one neutral person left some where that will fall for it
Just yesterday I was reading about Rita Hayworth, a gorgeous pin-up girl who the press called "The Love Goddess", and I thought "I bet now-a-days terfs and the manosphere would cry pin-ups have gone woke and make weird conspiracy theories about her being trans". I wish the modern menosphere would stop being so fucking insecure they think wanting women (or not being attracted to a woman) makes them less of a man. We're not trying to stop them from existing for being ugly, surely they could allow women they deem attractive to exist without feeling threathened.
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 16 dress. She would absolutely be mocked as a sop to body positivity movements if she was working today. (Also Marilyn has been done dirty by history. She treated acting as a craft, wrote poetry and was quite the radical leftist; a much more interesting figure than the 'poor tragic beautiful girl' we get in biopics)
So far I haven't seen any transvestigators, but weirdos, unfortunately, spring eternal. I draw a lot of Wanda Maximoff fanart, and my design for Wanda is medium brown in complexion and has a strong aquiline nose and thicker eyebrows, in line with how many Roma women like Wanda look in real life. This upsets a certain subset of predominantly-MCU-based "fans," who are oversensitive about the fact that some people (myself included) think it was a mistake to cast Lizzie Olsen, a non-Romani, non-Jewish white woman, in this role and we're vocal about that, and fail to manage their sensitivity in pro-social ways, instead lashing out at us when we're not even talking to them. Recently, I mentioned in an art post that I use Rita Hayworth as a pose and fashion reference for my Wanda, because Rita was Spanish Romani and Wanda wanted to be an actress when she was young, so it feels right to use images of Rita as reference for Wanda. The weirdos lost their minds about this and started flaming me and lacking all reading comprehension, insisting that I was a hypocrite for having a dark-skinned Wanda design while purporting to use Rita Hayworth as a reference. So yeah. Rita is not exempt from having weirdos be judgmental in convos tangentially involving her, unfortunately.
Honestly, I've been trying to put my finger on what bothered me about the Lara Croft image, and I think you've nailed it To me, she looks _too_ made up. Her hair and a few other things are just far too perfectly pretty for someone who's supposed to have spent the last day running around in the jungle shooting at mercenaries That fringe especially; it looks like it would be terrible for getting in her eyes while running around. It either needs to be short enough to stay out of the way, or long enough to tie back
The lara croft controversy is bizarre. To me it looks like a combination of the old school and new school designs, with a more natural design. It couldn't be less offensive if it tried.
See, you just admitted that the design is woke. If it, as you wrote, couldn't have been less offensive if it tried, that's a good signal maybe it actually tried. And trying to be respectful, and so not offensive, is of course a sign of wokeness. If the design was extremely sexist and misogynistic, so not at all inoffensive, that would have been the sign that no wokeness was involved. The anti-woke brigade would have been happy and satisfied (ahem), but plenty of the normal "woke" people would have complained. (Sorry, started this very tongue-in-cheek, but somewhere near the end it hit me that this bit of nonsense logic could actually get many of those stupid manbabies complaining about woke chins nodding along in serious agreement, so 😛 and 😀, but also lots of 😬and😟)
To be fair these people rarely are fans of what they are complaining about, like in the Mario movie these chuds were saying that Peach in pants was a new addition to appeal to the wokes, when like is been a thing since they implemented bikes in the Mario Kart franchise
This complaining is one of the dumber side effects we have gotten from pandering to this one demographic (in entertainment) for over 75 years. They've been dictated to for so long about what's sexy that they actually believe what they like now is a genuine preference instead of actually knowing what it is they actually do like. These guys are so bereft of self reflection and imagination they end up sounding ridiculous!
@@jordanwhite352you must be talking about a certain demographic because everyone literally everyone i know has kids. Dumbass stats vs actual reality is much different
What gets me most about gamers complaining about how unattractive women supposedly are in games these days, is that the women they complain about are still usually very conventionally attractive 🙃
I always say that if someone who looked like Aloy so much looked at them, they'd wet themselves. And it is funny, because Aloy looks like her face model, but with a mane of red hair, instead of blonde. Seyka was also given the same treatment, but she literally looks like her voice actress, who is a model. Also, the creators of Eve from Stellar Blade, took an already beautiful woman and exaggerated her features - but they liked HER design so they accept it.
the way they nitpick at the beautiful women instead of just enjoying looking at them makes it almost seem as if these supposedly heterosexual men don't actually enjoy looking at women
@@whargapmoeWhat kind of a projection is that? You do know that given the human race continues to propagate, the majority of men out there are either married or in close association of women, right? Which is why we aren't necessarily going extinct in the next 50 years? So what kind of a situation are you envisioning where men are shunning games with uglified women, and yet would still find said women arousing in real life? That would require gamer men to all be without access to a romantic counterpart. Also, did you forget women are gamers too and also not particularly happy with the gaming and media industries telling them that they can't be represented by women whom they themselves like to look at?
I am in my 40s now and I can confirm since I can remember there has been charts of different female faces and what hairstyles look best on them since I was a child. It includes... omg wide chins.
As someone who's started taking Christianity more seriously I assure you there's no doctrine about trying to prove someone's sex by their body proportions, haha. They're just raving dumbass idiots letting themselves be consumed by pseudo-political conspiracies. They'd lose their minds if they saw Rhea Ripley from WWE. Hell, the Catholic saint Joan of Arc successfully pretended to be a man so she could help fight in a war! Sure there's some trends in features for men and women, but ultimately, everyone's unique, and that's a great thing. There's always an exception to any rule they can come up with.
And people still have the nerve to ask you to take your shoes off. That's why ya fools be stubbin yo toes and steppin on Legos. And your house too ffkn cold to not have no shoes on
I too was perplexed at how the reveal image of the new lara croft was somehow bad, and then I finally saw it. She is resting her finger on the trigger of the pistol she is not aiming at anything; clearly she's not been trained in proper firearm safety and this is a grossly irresponsible image to promote to the public. In all seriousness though, the ever increasing fixation on "Correcting" female characters to be hyper sexualised fantasies rather than entertaining realisitc and conventionally attractive, not artificially attraction, is so fucking weird. I do hope the people caught up in that stuff realise they're getting astroturfed.
I am still blown away how any character I might rate as a 7 or an 8 is somehow a 3 or a 4 in their eyes. They don't have big tits? That is 3 points deducted. 3! Dont have a big butt? that is 2 points deducted. Doesn't have a nice chin? 1 point deducted. Combine all that and in their eyes, this Lara croft is a measly 4 out of 10 to them. It really does go to show how absurd their standards of women are now.
This reminds me of "Socialist Teeth" where a bunch of horrible folks complained that furries with teeth showing in their Twitter avatars were all socialists and whatnot. God that was stupid. It's sad to hear that those same sorts of people now have NEW things to complain about it seems.
Well if they stop complaining they might have to come to grasp with their own shortcomings and i have a feeling they dont like what lies on the other side of that mirror.
These are the same jerks that got upset that a character in the Last of Us 2 was unrealistic. Then get upset when a girl in a post apocalyptic setting has healthy human peach fuzz. When animu is all you know big shock a square jaw freaks them out. My favorite part is they even did this to GoW Thor because he shared their belly but is more Chad than they will ever be.
A lack of variety in the media we consume causes serious brain rot and skewed standards. It's like some folks I know who grow up poor, never having any fruits or veg that didn't come out of a can dripping with corn syrup, who now even though they can afford fresh produce don't buy it because it all tastes "wrong" to them.
Thanks for specifying that you don't think not having sex is a bad thing, and remembering asexual people and others who for whatever reason are ether not into it or can't at the moment. You're one of the few creators I see bother specifying that anymore and it means a lot
Yeah that's nice. Some incels have to realize that just because they don't have sex, it's not the end of the world. I don't have sex that often but I still date people. They don't know what a hobbie is?
It never existed, the difference is we gave those people internet access then social media. So now they even have the power to create more of themselves. Remember when we thought the internet would make people smarter? We kind of forgot that the smart people don't have complete authority for what gets put on the internet.
Funny, first thing I thought when seeing the Joanna Dark design was that they'd based it on Ashley Johnson (and then I jumped to the conclusion she was voicing the character). Then I looker up whose voicing her and its Alix Wilton Regan...and low and behold she has a striking resemblance to the character. So they based the design on the voice actor......but no, it's all some "evil agenda" touted by a select group of people who seem to find a boogieman under every fucking stone in a zen garden. Oh...and random Sassy Nurgling inclusion...yay for Sassy Nurgling!
So they based this model of Joanna Dark on a real woman...which means the people complaining about her design have probably never seen a real woman. (I also made the Ashley Johnson comparison, and, like...she's very pretty. Granted, I may be biased on the grounds of being both a Critical Role fan *and* very lesbian, but...seriously, imagine thinking she's not pretty, regardless of whether or not you'd be attracted to her.)
When I saw the PD trailer, my first thought was "Oh FFS they've turned the storyline upside down and and are redoing the whole thing, or they're doing a Prey 2007 and just slapping the PD branding on vaguely similar game". That was enough to make me roll my eyes at it. The redesign reminds me on a lass I went on a few dates with that was fun, but went nowhere, so I don't mind the redesign. But then I've actually *gone on dates*, because women don't think I'm some weird freak eight seconds after meeting me. Takes a few dates for that to kick in, HO HO!
@@TitaniaBird Personally I think Ashely is the prettiest member of the cast of CR, so I am in full agreement with you. It's shocking when you look at the reaction to a fair chunk of character designs (male and female) these days where folks have complained about "unrealistic" or "agenda" driven designs when they have actually been based on real life models/actors for the likenesses. Some folks are delusional, some (as I said in my post) are just convinced they can find the boogeyman in the Zen Garden. It's sad but it's the world we currently live in, I'd hope it was "just a phase" but I don't think I'm going to live to see the end of this dumbfuckery.
@@Beany2007FTW ironically I didn't know about the new game and tbh I'm not invested in the franchise. This whole thing only sparked my interest due to a situation I had while teaching some SFX students Marquette design a few years back where one student sculpted a lovely female main character Marquette and the academic tutor flipped out over how the design was "too masculine" and how she wasn't an attractive character....when he opened the design brief and read her write up and saw the design influences (which included the model the character was based on) he soon clammed up.
I remember similar meatheads insisting that Abby from Last of Us Part 2 had a muscular build that was impossible for a woman to have, period. Only to be slapped in the face with photos of the real woman used as a body scan. Of course the meatheads moved the goal posts and focused in on how "impossible" it would be for someone to have such a build in an apocalyptic setting. Stephanie covered that back then too, I believe. Guess some people get too lost in their own headspace they lose touch with reality.
Quick reminder that measuring facial features was a pretty big thing for the Nazis and indeed more modern day right wing types. Can’t say the gamers don’t keep fitting company.
Considering that most of these that whine about "wokeness" are either literally Nazis, or real close to being some, it's not really a surprise. The Far Right is totally delusional these days, existing in a fantasy world where EVERYONE is a rich, white, Christian male, or owned by one.
Phrenology has a higher CI than your IPCC's AGW theory. If you "believe in climate change" but not in phrenology, you are being inconsistent. You think it was nazis but in reality it was the entire scientific community; remind you of something else? Probably not; name doesn't sound very bright :D
@@James-l5s7kPhrenology has been discredited for over a hundred years now, it is and always has been exclusively an excuse to justify racism. It's not a serious scientific practice, and you will not get published in any peer-reviewed scientific journal by submitting a "study" on it
This video lays out together a bunch of really salient points really close together, and it's quite nice to see these things put so bluntly. The inconsistency of insults against gender presentation, the continual shifting of rhetorical focus, the fluidity of beauty standards, and the corporate manufacture of beauty standards.
I‘m watching this on a subway and find myself scanning every woman on the train‘s chin and aside from feeling like a creep I can now confidently confirm that no one fucking cares
Oh these people are crazy. They are so insecure about their bigotry that they think game developers are just sitting there trying to derail the game to show they are better people than them. It's the biggest self-report.
The new art of Aphrodite made me realise she was naked lmao. I did not realise she was naked in the first game at all. What the fuck is wrong with my eyes lmao. (It's a mix of: I don't wear glasses that I perhaps should and lean more ace than allo. lmao. Still kills me that I couldn't tell she was NAKED lmao.)
Ace here too and not into Hades yet, it took me a moment to realise too, I thought she was just in a pink bodysuit 😂 Honestly, her design is kind of a slay considering her theming, and probably one of the least changed ones between games?? Like, if anything the chin looks slightly narrower, and she looks a little less like a fierce warrior, but still not to a notable degree. Didn't they get their way with her redesign??
You should look into the CHUD demands for Judas. They're claiming bioshock 1 and 2 were apolitical and demanding judas be apolitical too. It's utter madness.
@@jonathankent1517 still amazes me, because Bioshock 1 disagrees with them and the whole franchise is a subscriber of the "I know writers who use subtext and they're all f*cking cowards" philosophy.
An anecdote When I was a teen my peers would cone to me for relationship advice. How I gained that role is still a mystery to me, I just know in high school kids I did not know started seeking me out for that. It was mostly girls at first, but after mediating a couple conflicts well meaning guys worried they weren't Doing It Right showed up from time to time as well. Every time a dude came to ask me something, there was always Willful Ignorance involved with the conflict. Even the ones who Wanted To Be Nice looked absolutely Shell Shocked when I told them persuing an intimate connection without Being Friends First garuntees the foundation of that connection will be Made Of Sand and Collapse under any strain. The idea of *caring for someone they wanted to have sex with, establishing a relationship first,* was so alien to these teenagers that one guy literally had his jaw hanging open when I explained it to him. You can't make demands of strangers. A relationship is co operative. It requires that you Care About and Respect the other person. The fact that everything the web outrage machine loses its shit over are Very Basic Behavioral Issues That Indicate A Disrupted Development ( see also NO ONE TAUGHT THEM BETTER ) are issues that Cannot Be Worked Around. They are fundamental, and require change on the part of the person holding onto these childish ideas.
@@DJDocsVideos I fully realize the trouble of the beligerant. The anecdote was about the willing was to highlight even guys who WANT to be better than the biggest asshole in the room could not comprehend of being *friends with the object of their affection until someone told them,* and even then would try to debate me on some occasions. Because the joke in the 90's about Girls Being A Different Species was internalized. And the ones who Refused, the Beligerant, to learn better are continuing to act under this assumption. I fully recognize the Beligerant are much worse and actively dangerous.
@@Martynde In some fairness, even many anti-woke people arent likely to support a diddler. Even scum of the earth murderers and r-words hate em, so I get your skepticism. However, many do still stand by him, if only due to wanting to think hes innocent and is "just being cancelled by the mean wokies!!"
@@ArgosaxelcaosGrummz suggested twitch pretended to be a minor for some reason No idea why they would entrap a really popular streamer they *just* signed a contract with though. Like, they still had to pay out for breaking the contract, and they didn't tell anyone, so it wasn't to ruin his social standing. Just a nonsense theory to excuse themselves for having defended him when it was obviously indefensible
And Angelina Jolie isn't attractive, 99%+ of people with plastic surgery aren't attractive, not to the vast majority of men anyway. Women seem to find plastic surgery attractive though, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, because men have been saying for ages that it's not attractive, so they can't be doing it for the men.
I just instinctively tune out anyone and anything that uses "woke" nowadays. It's not only lost it's original meaning, it's now basically used for literally anything a right-wing/reactionary person just doesn't like (likely because they're unable to comprehend or articulate why they don't like something otherwise).
'woke' is the anti-'queer': a word intentionally designed to be nebulous in meaning, but used to attack not defend, identify enemies not allies and exclude not include.
As a Black Person, im getting horrible flashbacks of my ancestors where they use that skull pseudoscientist to determine that our entire genealogy was no different from Gorillas. 💀
The saddest part of this is that calling them "a bunch of little Batemans" will be seen as a compliment, because these are the kind of people who literally idolize the misogynist serial killer as the masculine ideal.
Still can't believe guys unironically view Bateman as a rolemodel. Dude's literally a serial killer. He's not even that charismatic. He's an anxious weirdo who freaks out over business cards. He's so emotionally unstable. Wonder what that says about his idolizers 🤔
@@RacingSnails64 If there's one thing I've picked up on from that whole manosphere space is these guys believe to be a real "man" is to have no emotions, no hobbies, no friends, have sex only for breeding (can't enjoy it because joy is an emotion and emotions mean you're gay) and just work constantly. To be a man to these nutters is to be a robot.
That's why they are walking contradiction. They want fictional women to be sexualy objectified and exposed as much as possible while want to actual real women to covered and being controlled as much as possible. Immortan Joe from Mad Max Fury Road is their idol.
I'm pretty sure all this rage is genuinely stemmed from trying to find an outlet for not having the women they feel entitled to. Like, there's a bigoted dislike for other people's appearances, then there's whatever all of this anger and phrenology is.
@@lilpetz500 It basically comes down to the numpties not liking something through their own prejudices, so they call it all 'woke' (even when it isn't) because they lack that second cell in their brains for further thinking.
They do it to themselves as well. They openly admit they hate their own appearance, they measure their own chins, mock each other's faces for not having granite jaws. They've become a hate cult for internalised beauty standards. Rather than accepting the propaganda of beauty standards isn't real, they've decided they hate reality and want to cower in fantasy, and demand the rest of the world obeys this too
I do appreciate you pointing out the antisemitism and racism in a lot of these talking points. It's something a lot of people don't bring up but that deserves to be called out.
I just learnt refereeing a football game according to the rules is woke english fans lost their sh## after Germany beat Denmark at the Euros & the stupidity/conspiracies in the comments were hilarious & depressing at the same time
The only thing that upsets me about the new Aphrodite portrait is that at first glance I thought she had a badass prosthetic arm on her shield side but now that I've taken a closer look, while comparing it to her portrait from the first game, I've noticed that it's probably just armor like on her spear arm.
Some of these fools genuinely make me wonder how many restraining orders they have against them. "OH GOD! A woman with a chin." *immediately has a meltdown and faints*
It's funny how this shit never gets applied in the other direction. How are we supposed to enjoy woke games like Last of Us and GTA 5 where we have to play as old retired dads. Can someone please redesign Joel as Duke Nukem so I can finally take him seriously?
@@somik-i3x Also when women complain about character appearance changing for the worse, Dante in DMC is a good example, they just make some memes they lost a beautiful boy and stop at that, they don't go on tirades or create conspiracies, also they tend to be real fans of what they are talking about, you know like normal people do. And these people need to learn that liking/disliking stuff don't need a conspiracy, sometimes stuff is just unappealing to you and you don't need to make a conspiracy why others like it, we all have that series/movie everyone loves and we don't see the appeal for me is Star Wars, and I don't need to create multiple theories why people are wrong for liking it.
It's like a mix of the better parts of her original and Zero designs. The striking face from the original, but the cool orange hair from Zero (IMO of course).
Nah they are afraid of the outside and exist rent free in there mother's basement or ontop there Dad's garage.They believe when they chear loud enough for the Bully they are not going to end up jamed in the trash can... Sad litle man babies.
@@AG-en5y Absolutely. I would say that I just watched a 20 minute video which concisely summed up the issue and then spent about 30 seconds leaving a comment on video for a total time consumption of about 20.5 minutes of my day. The issue posed by the behavior exhibited in said video is that to scan the Internet for news of new games, to look up concept images and pre release artwork and advertising materials, and then to then have a compiled chart or spreadsheet of the measurements of each facial dimension that sum up to make beauty to compare that digital face to, find a supposed flaw in it, and then take to the Internet leaving comment chains and having multi-hour conversations and making videos and podcasts about how the chins are woke and no woman has ever had any type of chin then the one they have in a folder marked perfect chins and so on and so forth. The difference is, I've watched one video, heard about what the man children are crying about, and I'm done. They are dumb AF, nothing new here. They on the other hand spend some amount of time and energy on the matter acting like this is something that deeply affects them. "Oh no! I don't get an erection looking at this video game character!! It's a shit game!" Just listening to this discourse over what constitutes as beautiful for a woman coming from a group of men that will never know a woman's touch they didn't pay for is rich. Pro tip, women don't f*cking care what you as a man think the standards for beauty for women should be, and especially are not impressed by you complaining you can't get it up to a video game character. Stop being a f*cking goon and you'll find that the world isn't what you're making it out to be, the problem was you all along. But that's just me, I'm sure others would say something else.
Hopefully to god the 'woke chin' nonsense is so stupid they ignore it and go with this or a similar new Lara, no changes. I'm not saying there aren't some good possible alternatives, but anything close to Embracer has been struggling for at least a few years and I don't know if I'd trust execs involved to redesign anything at this point. I'd love it if 'woke chins' was the tipping point that finally got game companies to stop listening to vocal outliers.
In the meantime, women get voice training to sound more masculine to appeal to conservative, misogynistic business practices... Are the conservatives ok?
It's classic "gender affirmation, but only for cis guys and we refuse to realise it is that" (including making others change to make them feel affirmed) See also; gym bro lifestyles, hair treatments and transplants
So tired of transphobia being the issue. Can we have a DIFFERENT Scooby Doo villain please? (Clarification: This is not a request of Steph - she is just pointing out shit that needs to be pointed out or she has stuff to say about. My complaint, as a trans person, is purely directed *at* the transphobes).
Honestly, I surprisingly miss when it was just debates over dress colours and pizza toppings (social rights issues still existed back then of course, but like. It felt like there was less charged, platformed transphobia for a bit)
You *gasped* at gay marriage... You TREMBLED at TRANSESES! This summer, a NEW threat emerges: Men. Who own. Cats. Will this woke agenda never cease? How long have cat-keeping men been subtlely inserted into our media? Once you notice, you'll realize it's been shoved into your face the entire time. (violin sting)
@@UlshaRSThey could at least break new and interesting ground in bigotry, rather than giving us witch hunts for trans people for like the third time this week.
Thank you Jim Sterling, you pissed off some people with this and I was able to clean up my youtube recommendations a bit by blocking the channels who wanted to double down on the "woke chin" complaints
I look at that photo of Lara Croft and that photo of the real-life ladies at 8:02. I don't see a single problem with either one. What the hell is WRONG with these gamer bros!?
I thought it'd be the usual "Her boobs aren't big enough!" but then I heard "Chin" and I couldn't believe it. They went from aggressive sexualisation to aggressive transphobia.
@@Misty25939 are you sure you're on the same page here? sexual trauma is a reoccuring theme in these games and it's bloober remaking it. Steph already covered this. The remake fails at staying true to the original because they didn't get it.
@@BunnyNotFound That's different. In terms of continuity, only Silent Hill 3 had sexy nurses. They looked like ugly, old hags with bags over their heads in the original SH2.
Not to be pedantic, but the amount of cleavage shown is the same. They were mad that her bust size “went down” (see if you can actually spot the difference, though)
We have wars, starving children and a broken monetary system. But a chin of a normal looking fictional character is what triggers the most emotions. What a time to be alive.
this was going on in the baldur's gate 3 forum on steam this weekend. complaints about pretty much all of the female characters not being feminine, minthara's chin was specifically mentioned as well
A lot of these dudes who lack any sort of sex life or partner really do need friends who are consistently physically present. Not online group chats or comment sections or video chats. No, they need actual buddies. Easier said than done for some of them sure but I'm older, in my 30s now and I've always had quite a few friend groups. I feel bad for a lot of dudes younger than me who just sit on their computer all day. You get laid by a friend introducing you to someone else or you go to a party and meet someone or heck even one of your buddies sets you up. Also real human interaction decreases the likelihood for getting so lost in the sauce of culture war politics and terminally online debates. When you're actually in the room with a diverse set of friends you learn how to actually talk to people and that helps find connection with someone. Basically these people have to touch some grass.
Imo part of the problem people don't address is the Carland issues. When I was very young I lived in a housing complex and every day my brothers and I would scatter out to its limits with our friends getting up to shenanigans and playong sports or pretend. Then my parents moved us to a bigger house in a "normal" suburb and every single one of us became keyboard surfers all day long. It would take 20 mins of walking just to reach a park, there was nothing except the park around unless you had money, and the jungle gym in it was only for the smallest kids so unless we wanted to play soccer, nothing to do. As I got older, I was sent almost exclusively to schools that were physically far from my house, so I had friends at school but I couldn't hang out after school because I'd miss the bus and both my parents worked and thus didn't want to pick me up. On weekends, I didn't go anywhere because public transit was bad and cost money I didn't have and my friends eventually just stopped inviting me over because I could never get a ride. By high school I didn't even participate in any clubs, because, again, I'd miss the fucking bus. The only bus I could rely on. And for reference I'm extremely social. I never had public speaking issues and as soon as I had a job and was going to university I had lots of friends and would meet them regularly. Once I had a license even more so. But the fact that most parents want their children to live in suburbia, a fucking wasteland for any fun or activity, is because it's "safer" and then these suburban spots have little to no transit and parents are too tired from work+commute that they can't take their kids anywhere leads to the iPad baby epidemic. Capitalism is a huge part as well, because catering only to kids and teens is either not profitable or too expensive for most families, but especially the fact that North America is spread out super thin and has basically no solid rail or bus networks anywhere except the biggest and densest cities means none of this will change no matter how much people whine about it on social media. We need to fucking stop prioritizing cars over people. 15 mins cities and vibrant activity diversity will do infinitely more for social lives than any amount of brow beating.
The increasing lack of community is a more destructive thing than a lot of people realize, given it's another thing pushed by techbros and the forces that be. I know how it is, too - there isn't shit to do here and it's impossible to begin sometimes once you've been left behind. A lot of these guys probably suck around people, but people are also super busy with their own existing in-groups and don't tend to have much bandwidth for new individuals that don't sell well. Social media is one of the most evil things humanity has rendered.
They need to figure it out for themselves, it's too draining to befriend these men and have to argue and be patient with their stupid gamer gator shit.
I remember when gamer bros were angry about Tifa in the FF7 Remake. They complained that her breast size was reduced, but all the art team did was put her in a sports bra. Tifa has always been a world class beauty with ridiculously enormous breasts, But heaven forbid she wear an item that holds them in while she's reagularly doing somersaults and kick flips in the heat of battle. Heaven forbid that she would wear something to help reduce the inevitable back pain of being a superhuman martial artist with extremely large boobs. It was so stupid.
I'm assuming that this is coming from the 'you can always tell' crowd of sad, lonely little men who will never find love. They shout from the rooftops they've never seen a woman outside of media. Edit: I was right!
@@Kabullo76 Based on the views versus upvotes versus comments this video has been let's say highly divisive. Plus every other comment I've seen seems to be some self-righteous person joining in on the choir of crapping on a "The chudds" ™. It's sad that a person I once respected and still occasionally do has resorted to surrounding themselves with this level of Yes Men.
God but these people are fucking exhausting 😭 (also feel you on people spinning in place when they're trying to insult/misgender you, I will get back-to-back comments making opposite assertions about my voice lmao "We can always tell" no the fuck they can't)
Them being exhausting is purposeful. The idea being that they force all rational people out of the conversation, so that only THEY can decide what happens.
Women with sharp jaws have been the supermodel face since like the 60s. This is such a weird turn. The new Lara Croft literally looks like a Victorias Secret model. I don’t get it.
The thing about black people in fantasy doesn't even make historical sense. Black people have been around pretty much everywhere in every time period. There are books on black Tudors and contemporary paintings which depict black people in Europe for heck's sake.
Outside of Africa, they have been either slaves or a type of pet (look at my black servant, isn't he special). It is just in the last hundred years that they have not been that.
Like, the continent of Africa is _right there,_ just across the Mediterranean sea. It was arguably easier for an African to meet an Italian than for a Swede to. The idea that people in that close proximity to Europe wouldn't find their way to it is baffling.
Their big one, currently, is the new Assassin's Creed about a black samurai named Yasuke. The woke mind virus is erasing Japanese people from their own history!!!1one Problem: Yasuke was a real person.
This is more minor compared to the transvestigators, but as a woman with the chin the Gamer Bros theoretically want (i e., practically non-existent) they complain about that too. 'You've got no chin, eww, get fillers or something'
Well, incels utilizing phrenology to enforce gender dimorphic stereotypes wasn't on my 2024 checklist, but neither was most of the absurd culture war shit we've been seeing.
Go back and tell people 20 years ago that, in the future, there will be a large part of the population that thinks men can become women... Also, we know you know. You are just parroting the dogma cause you don't want to be bullied by your woke friends.
When the new Lara Craft model came up - I was ewxspecting to hear some whining about her breasts being less than double D. How did the actual story end up to be dumber? So basically they are doing Phrenology again, but for video game characters?
If there's one thing you can absolutely state about the 'anti-woke' numpties - they can always make it dumber.
The age of breats is over, we're all about woke chins.
The new Lara Croft's tits are actually larger than the last redesign she went through, and yet I wouldn't have been surprised if they started complaining about it nonetheless. This time around she kinda looks like what a porn star would look like with clothes on to me, which I don't personally enjoy all that much but I though certain elements of the community would.
Instead they fucking transvestigate her. You what mate? I enjoy anime girls as much as the next tranfem gal, but I do have a firm grasp of what cis women tend to look like and I'm well aware that real women, cis or trans, don't look like in anime. This is hentai brain, there is no other way to look at it, and I speak as someone who does like hentai.
Oh, there was some of that too. I saw one that said she is "flatter than a tomboy", which is a lot to unpack.
They're doing it to real people too. Just watch as they point at any real woman that doesn't meet their requirements and screech that they're secretly men. (And yes there's also transphobia and racism and antisemitism baked into that stuff too.)
i'm responsible for a nude model drawing class. the amount of times i've been hit with gross commentaries on a female model's body from a supposedly 'professional' or 'serious' male artist is staggering. luckily most people understand what an art class is and how to act but it still baffles me some dudes will do this - like the model's body is theirs to sexualise in a setting that is very obviously NOT ABOUT THAT.
What the FUCK? 😱 I--
How do you treat these people when they're being creepy?
Imaginarily because their story is made the fuck up @@Beremor
That's horrible
"So this is Jane and she'll be modelling for the class today"
"Zero out of ten! Would not bang! NEXT!"
the real headline for the horizon girl should have been "holy shit guys this game is so detailed they even rendered the way light hits the peach fuzz on her cheek this is fuckin bananas"
Are we back to measuring skulls to figure out who is more likely to be a criminal too?
don't put it past these people. they'd probably be happy to introduce phrenology and by proxy, eugenics again. actually, I think more than 75% of them would love to bring those two things back. : /
Oh they already do that
With "artificial intelligence", they don't even need to physically measure the skull. Just take a photo and let the algorithms do the phrenology for them!
Please don't look up looksmaxxing.
@@inciaradible7144 I won't, but I'm sure it will not be surprising, rather just depressing
Anyone remember a simpler time when the entire Internet was drooling like mad over a 10 foot tall vampire mommy. Her Romanian jawline was pretty effing square
>b-but we can't have dominant Yamnaya traits as women!!1 :OOOO
Different people lol.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 Not really. Same simps different day.
@@volk4523 Yamnaya? What does a bug-type Pokemon have to do with this? (/j)
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 It's always the same people lol. Hypocrisy is their life.
New Lara's jaw is less wide than Angelina Jolie's, who was at the time of the Tomb Raider films considered one of if not the most attractive women on earth.
I never actually found her that attractive personally. It had nothing to do with her chin, but I also don't have a real reason. She just never really did it for me.
@@Dante2056 3/10s gather below to discuss how you totally wouldnt touch attractive ladies who'd never even look at you. Pats on the back will be distributed later.
I honestly thought it was about sizeing down her chest than anything to do with a chin. I've clearly got no radar for this
I for one am outraged by the new design. Where are the stark angles that could cut diamonds? Round breasts?! No thank you.
@@Dante2056 No one asked
"Woke Chin" sounds like the nerdy Asian character from every '80s college movie ever
That's considering how many Chins are in a Chinese phone book.
Long Duck Dong *gong noise*
I hate how accurate this is.
It also sounds like a made up Victorian illness like Housemaid's Knee or Scrivener's Lung.
i want to upvote but you have 69 likes
It's funny how the "we can always tell" crowd has basically ended up reinventing phrenology and are so afraid of the peenus they reject the Venus.
They don't want a woman. They want a slave. A RealDoll.
Ironically their desperate rejection of the Venus leave them only with options involving Peenus.
I'm not a fan of the "They're just repressed" mentality but at this point, I can't say there isn't SOME merit to it.
"So afraid of the peenus they reject the venus" is brilliant
Damnnnn may we use that last line as a comeback?? Like that was smooth.
Seriously though, nothing tells me a person doesn't interact with cis women quicker than complaining about video game women having anything but the extremely narrow jawline, and any degree of body hair.
I may or may not witch cackled throughout this video
Oh my god I hate how now that I came out everyone who used to mock me or comment on how I was feminine suddenly has a list of reasons why I'm a handsome man. It really makes you realize how arbitrary all this shit is.
I have two chins, am I double woke?
the woke factor is 100x per chin, so you have 200 chins, so your super mega ultra mecha woke.
Yes.
@@Bhawk921Isn't that also known as Super Galaxy Gurren Lagann Woke? The anti-woke had better watch out then, because unlike them, SGGLW has the power to smash galaxies onto their heads.
No, you're a high caloried specimen.
No, that means that you're not physically healthy, to put it in a polite way.
Nonsensical discourse aside, male chins in 1990s and early 2000s cartoons were something else. The Tick had one of the largest by far and Crimson Chin was an obvious parody of this trend (I'm also pretty sure Transformers Animated Sentinel Prime's chin was based on The Tick's chin but it's slightly shorter).
I did love that the crimson chin on fairly OddParents was actually voiced by Jay Leno talk about perfect casting.
Not to mention the 1998 Godzilla.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu I had no idea. That's awesome.
"They saw the community get bigger around them and perceived it as themselves getting smaller."
That sentence is poetry. Beautiful. Thank you!
Well to be fair the modern day "female" is getting alot girthier
*Spins a roulette wheel of completely random nouns. It stops on the word “chins”.
“Alright people, chins are woke now. Spread the word.”
Im alteady hedging my bets thay the wheel will spin on tibia's for the next feature for the anti-woke to wokify.
Really feels like that sometimes
That's pretty accurate. Anti-wokeism is, at present, the exact thing that used to be decried as "Tumblr SJW hysteria" ten years ago, and the same thing as the Satanic Panic and the other half dozen times the Religious Right tried this nonsense. It's the same exact process of making up incoherent nonsense to be outraged about, claiming it's the result of some insidious secret cabal of evil people conspiring to destroy society, and providing absolutely zero evidence for any of that ever actually being a real issue. Except instead of people complaining about "manspreading" or hidden messages in metal music or whatever, now it's "millennial writing" or "woke chins" or whatever other boogeyman of the week is being blamed for reactionary fears of time moving forward and the world changing in any way.
Fortunately, reality exists. The Venn diagram between "moral panic" and "real issue that needs to be taken seriously" is two circles.
Make certain it is an amateur noun... the professional nouns are super woke
That's basically how they do it. Make up something new every week to get mad about, absolutely lose their minds, repeat.
The only thought I had about the new Lara art was "Huh, I never realized Lara Croft and Leon Kennedy looked so much alike. I wonder if anyone's made a crossover fanfic where they're related."
... Well now I'm curious as to how the Kennedy's split from the Crofts to go from British aristocracy to smalltime Americans. And what Wesker would do with a genuine supernatural artefact: if he'd use it for his own gains or try to destroy it because anything supernatural isn't part of his vision of a perfectly globally saturated world, etc.
@@goranisacson2502 Yes! You see the potential!
@12:15 the wild thing about the pride flags in Spiderman is that is literally the gay district of New York. Those flags are there IN REAL LIFE
The other thing of course is the fact that it was completely removed (along with a bunch of other stuff) from one particular version of the game. One that insomniac had no problem whatsoever making or should I say making changes for. Funny how that is.
Don't be under any illusion they want 'em gone in real life and the people with 'em. That's what fascists do.
The other funny thing is how that was removed for UAE region version, huh I wonder why they did that.😮
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu welcome to capitalism
Okay this just made me laugh out loud. Their complaints are so f***ing ridiculous!
I dated a woman for many years that was self conscious about inheriting her father's cleft chin and dark eyebrows (she was blonde and fair skinned so made them stand out). She thought she looked masculine despite being a sundress wearing, sweet tea and homecookin' southern girl who knitted amd sewed as hobbies.
We may not be together anymore, but she is my friend and I hope she doesn't run into any of these "transvestigators"
It's funny how people "investigate" whether someone or some character is trans, and their conclusion is that everyone, real or fictional, is trans. They have a hammer, and everything is nails.
They wish they had nails...
Turns out that the metrics the "we can always tell" crowd uses to spot ~secret transgenders~ are just normal human facial features lol
Syndrome: When everything is "woke", nothing will be...
When you've convinced yourself that anyone could secretly be trans, and you only need to look hard enough to spot the signs, eventually you start seeing secret trans people everywhere.
I mean, when Tumblr was transing characters--it was largely for more representation. Well, the parts that weren't people taking the urine (a lot of Tumblr's transing characters was irony poisoned jokes)
This is like a really really sad mirror world version of that
I was genuinely confused when this started happening.
I thought it was a 4chan joke that morphed into real anger (this happens more often than you’d think). No, people really are mad about chins on the internet. 😂😂😂
@@Abrasive-Heat It’s the double standards and the fact they don’t allow sexy women in western games now. Companies like Sony want to censor things like costumes for Eve in Stellar Blade yet they allow actual sex scenes and nudity with Abby in the last of us. Sony also damn near killed a franchise I like called Senran Kagura which was an anime game with fan service. It just sucks how we aren’t allowed to like sexy women in western video games unless they are ugly, trans, or gay. Meanwhile we have eastern games that have no problem creating good looking characters so we just play those now. Same thing happened to American comics, they went woke now Japanese manga dominates global sales. You most likely won’t listen or care but it’s obvious this is an issue. There are DEI consulting companies working on all these big games and they straight up tell you they do these things like alter designs and stories to be more “inclusive” for “modern audiences”
@@OMEKS_1 You easily fall for scams don't you? lol
@@TheDoomBlueShell y’all only try to insult people but no one cares
@@OMEKS_1 You clearly care.
"they saw the community get bigger around them and perceived it as themselves getting smaller" banger line
"Equality is oppression for the oppressor."
When one is used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
I guess the same could apply to Jim's subscriber count
@@OfficerGeorgeSewell oo so edgy
@@OfficerGeorgeSewell How does that comparison make any sense? Whining about more people being into gaming thus more new games that are varied vs. a youtuber losing subscribers after coming out
“Fixing” women… isn’t that literally a level from Bioshock?
Yeah, one of the more horrific parts of the original Bioshock, even. Complete with a jump scare (in a game that scarcely uses them).
I mean, the Bioshock thing was "fixing" people in general, not just women, but yeah, a whole lot of "Beauty is not just a virtue, it is a moral obligation..." going on these days.
It wasn't "fixing" women, it was literally a man imposing his idea of feminine beauty to women
I was thinking of Dollmaker from Welcome to the Game 2, ironically a game about being terminally online. 😂
This is where we are now, though. Everyone wants to keep tweaking designs to appease. Can't be too feminine or it will be "too sexualized." Can't be too average or it'll be "too ugly or masculine looking."
You can't win, everything must be a fight
I still can't get over that "redesign" where a guy just looked at a fictional woman and said "you should smile more"
fuck, that was repulsive to think about. made me gag.
deal with it , he's right
@@Kabullo76How?
@@ackvendordon’t respond to the tiny child above, he is just rage baiting whilst sat in his Cheeto stained underwear that mum hasn’t washed for him this month
@@Kabullo76 If Women in the video games somehow need to smile more than the males and video games are way overdue. Fucking tired of playing these fucking depressive shits.
"why do you talk about transphobia..."
"WHY DO YOU WHINE ABOUT CHIN SHAPES???"
I ignore transphobia, it still affects me. Chuds ignore chins, it has zero affect on their lives whatsoever.
The creepy genital inspectors have now progressed to Phrenology.
It's probably more of an addon.
@@WolfHagenSdW😂
Oh, make no mistake.
They'll still wanna inspect your genitals too.
If Phrenology is "progression"..... eesh.
@@Ayoken007 Backwards is still a direction!
You know, sometimes I feel quite bad about myself. Like I don't do enough stuff to make the world better, I don't have the energy to do things I want to do, I'm too anxious and have too many hangups and I can be absolutely shit at socializing, with my foot living comfortably in my mouth at all times. I spend days convinced I literally stink, and that everyone secretly despises me and only puts up with me because sometimes I can do stuff for them like fix their computer or something.
And then I realize that, you know what? There are dudes on the internet who are angry at chins being too woke. Compared to them, I'm absolutely awesome or at least, you know, halfway decent, kind-of-acceptable.
Hang in there, you're doing great
Don't overthink it. Just be in the moment and enjoy what good comes along. Treat people like you want to be treated and it's going to be fine.
I am of the opinion that there is a certain inherent value in any and every person. Some diminish or obliterate that value by dedicating themselves to malicious pursuits, true, but most of us want to help build the world we want to live in, and that means pretty much any of us could end up having all kinds of abilities or unique talents that nobody even suspected until they manifested. Having others believe in us, and feeling confidence in oneself, helps us find the things we can do.
Being beaten down verbally (or even physically), having our confidence undermined and our trust betrayed, and generally being damaged by our environment and the people we share it with, on the other hand... makes it considerably harder to find those things. Can be hard to avoid, though, if one is unlucky enough to end up in those situations.
Best wishes, and just keep being your best self. You'll find things you can do. =)
well you might not have done much but your pretty good at gaslighting.. but then thats a inherent part of the ideology youve sided with.. "its not happening and your crazy for saying it is" until "it is happening and your a bigot if you dont like it".
i wont bother listing off the topics that have played out like this as it would take all day.. i assume you guys are claiming female character models are not being made to appear more masculine and its just art direction? is that right?
@@awakeandwatching953 What we're saying is that not every female character needs to look the same, and it's pretty neat that some companies are starting to get a little bit more interesting with their character designs rather than just cater to the part of the audience who just want the exact same female model every time. We're saying it's art direction and that it's not a problem.
And we're saying whining about chins as if they were a real problem (like crunch, transphobia, or layoffs are) is pretty pathetic.
Even IF they were making female characters "more masculine" - so fucking what? It's not happening but even if it was, it wouldn't be a problem. If you want a character to wank to, there are plenty of those already available. Not every single female character needs to cater to your taste in women. The idea that every character needs to be "attractive" is absolutely insane.
OMG! It’s Foppington’s Law again!
To quote ContraPoints: “Once bigotry or self-loathing permeate a given community, it is only a matter of time before deep metaphysical significance is assigned to the shape of human skulls.”
thats some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.. also its not a human skull, its a 3d model.. funny how you guys can see eugenics every where but the one place its most apparent.. the trans movement
@@awakeandwatching953Your entire argument is “No you” plus some blatant avoidance of the entire point of the video. People are measuring skulls for video game characters as well as real people.
@@awakeandwatching953bro out here liking his own comment
The left already judges everyone by their gender skin tone and virgin status, you and the alt right are fast friends in your bigotry and racism.
@@awakeandwatching953...the realistic 3D model is based on a real human full, literally in this case because modern-day video games scan actual real live human actors to use as bases to build the 3D models on. It's like a Nazi saying "Oh it's not a Jew it's an enemy of the state!"
Also, in terms of eugenics what are they killing off and replacing at mass critical levels? A bunch of Rwandans wanna have a word with you.
I wonder about the Gamerbros blood pressure if they accidentally lay their eyes on a renaissance painting or something.
Don't tell them about the long history of their beloved classic old fashioned beauties from the Roman empire often being portrayed by cis men in theatre and art modelling.
Or any depiction of what's considered "sexy" throughout history up until the 1950s.
I assume your knowledge about that is skin deep. Michelangelo did paint females as males with tits. He was very good with the male form, i wonder why...
Or that the classical world's idealized phallus was small; males with large members symbolised crudity and comedy.
Nobody tell them about the Shirabyōshi either.
I've been watching handmaid's tale and there's a scene where Commander Lawrence is telling June that Gilead will kill her daughter and June says "they wouldn't... they care about children. That's the whole point of this place" and Lawrence replies "you're smarter than that. They don't care about children. They care about power."
So, I'm trans... I'm also predominantly Scandinavian (Blonde hair, broad shoulders, chonky, etc.) If someone looks at me and says "You're a man, I can tell by your jaw" I would laugh in their face because I look like a carbon copy of my mom, my aunts, and my grandmother... Because that's just how Scandinavian genetics work. We look like clones.
new conspiracy theory - scandinavians are actually clone troopers building a base for the empire XD
I've seen this firsthand from some of my female friends, a few nearly had the exact same chin as their fathers.
Clearly, Scandinavian genetics are woke.
@@SharienGamingI KNEW IT!
If I know my Scandinavian ladies correctly, saying they "Look like men/are men" would be one hell of a ticket to getting your spine snapped like a twig by the lady in question. At best they,ll let you off with a broken jaw. They don't mess around at all and take shit from absolutely nobody.
"Foppington's Law :
Once bigotry or self-loathing permeate a given community, it is only a matter of time before metaphysical significance is assigned to the shape of human skulls."
ah yes its bigotry that people are opposed to a radical ideology that has taken over a form of media where the activist devs/publishers are not only bragging about said ideology they are also happy to announce their hate for straight white men.. this is well documented but keep gaslighting, im sure theres one neutral person left some where that will fall for it
Trans people must be the most obsessed with phrenology, considering how much they care about passing
Just yesterday I was reading about Rita Hayworth, a gorgeous pin-up girl who the press called "The Love Goddess", and I thought "I bet now-a-days terfs and the manosphere would cry pin-ups have gone woke and make weird conspiracy theories about her being trans". I wish the modern menosphere would stop being so fucking insecure they think wanting women (or not being attracted to a woman) makes them less of a man. We're not trying to stop them from existing for being ugly, surely they could allow women they deem attractive to exist without feeling threathened.
Marilyn Monroe wore a size 16 dress. She would absolutely be mocked as a sop to body positivity movements if she was working today.
(Also Marilyn has been done dirty by history. She treated acting as a craft, wrote poetry and was quite the radical leftist; a much more interesting figure than the 'poor tragic beautiful girl' we get in biopics)
@@OwesomasaurusShe didn't really kill herself, did she? 🤨
@@autobotstarscream765 I'm not aware of any evidence to the contrary.
So far I haven't seen any transvestigators, but weirdos, unfortunately, spring eternal.
I draw a lot of Wanda Maximoff fanart, and my design for Wanda is medium brown in complexion and has a strong aquiline nose and thicker eyebrows, in line with how many Roma women like Wanda look in real life. This upsets a certain subset of predominantly-MCU-based "fans," who are oversensitive about the fact that some people (myself included) think it was a mistake to cast Lizzie Olsen, a non-Romani, non-Jewish white woman, in this role and we're vocal about that, and fail to manage their sensitivity in pro-social ways, instead lashing out at us when we're not even talking to them.
Recently, I mentioned in an art post that I use Rita Hayworth as a pose and fashion reference for my Wanda, because Rita was Spanish Romani and Wanda wanted to be an actress when she was young, so it feels right to use images of Rita as reference for Wanda.
The weirdos lost their minds about this and started flaming me and lacking all reading comprehension, insisting that I was a hypocrite for having a dark-skinned Wanda design while purporting to use Rita Hayworth as a reference.
So yeah. Rita is not exempt from having weirdos be judgmental in convos tangentially involving her, unfortunately.
They’ve already transvestigated Farrah Fawcett, whose swimsuit poster sold millions, so I wouldn’t be surprised
How dare these characters not spend 20 minutes painting shadows on their faces before fending off alien invasions
The fidelity cult when they get too much fidelity: nooo please go back
Honestly, I've been trying to put my finger on what bothered me about the Lara Croft image, and I think you've nailed it
To me, she looks _too_ made up. Her hair and a few other things are just far too perfectly pretty for someone who's supposed to have spent the last day running around in the jungle shooting at mercenaries
That fringe especially; it looks like it would be terrible for getting in her eyes while running around. It either needs to be short enough to stay out of the way, or long enough to tie back
The lara croft controversy is bizarre. To me it looks like a combination of the old school and new school designs, with a more natural design. It couldn't be less offensive if it tried.
Right?? These guys are losing their minds
@@RacingSnails64 That implies there was any mind left for them to lose. Which in turn implies there was any mind for them to lose in the first place.
Yeah she's very confident now and even hotter than the reboot trilogy, complete lunacy
See, you just admitted that the design is woke. If it, as you wrote, couldn't have been less offensive if it tried, that's a good signal maybe it actually tried. And trying to be respectful, and so not offensive, is of course a sign of wokeness. If the design was extremely sexist and misogynistic, so not at all inoffensive, that would have been the sign that no wokeness was involved. The anti-woke brigade would have been happy and satisfied (ahem), but plenty of the normal "woke" people would have complained.
(Sorry, started this very tongue-in-cheek, but somewhere near the end it hit me that this bit of nonsense logic could actually get many of those stupid manbabies complaining about woke chins nodding along in serious agreement, so 😛 and 😀, but also lots of 😬and😟)
To be fair these people rarely are fans of what they are complaining about, like in the Mario movie these chuds were saying that Peach in pants was a new addition to appeal to the wokes, when like is been a thing since they implemented bikes in the Mario Kart franchise
This complaining is one of the dumber side effects we have gotten from pandering to this one demographic (in entertainment) for over 75 years. They've been dictated to for so long about what's sexy that they actually believe what they like now is a genuine preference instead of actually knowing what it is they actually do like. These guys are so bereft of self reflection and imagination they end up sounding ridiculous!
Conditioning is conditioning, whatever your preference is.
The worst part. Many of them don't want "3D women" and we wonder why birthrates are down in Western Nations.
@@jordanwhite352you must be talking about a certain demographic because everyone literally everyone i know has kids. Dumbass stats vs actual reality is much different
100% this 👌
Are they upset about chins because they don't have them?
Anyone have that panel from the Preacher comic handy?
No, they are mad because they have 3 of them.
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@@svsguru2000 they exist at both ends of this spectrum.
prolly
What gets me most about gamers complaining about how unattractive women supposedly are in games these days, is that the women they complain about are still usually very conventionally attractive 🙃
I always say that if someone who looked like Aloy so much looked at them, they'd wet themselves. And it is funny, because Aloy looks like her face model, but with a mane of red hair, instead of blonde. Seyka was also given the same treatment, but she literally looks like her voice actress, who is a model.
Also, the creators of Eve from Stellar Blade, took an already beautiful woman and exaggerated her features - but they liked HER design so they accept it.
the way they nitpick at the beautiful women instead of just enjoying looking at them makes it almost seem as if these supposedly heterosexual men don't actually enjoy looking at women
The one who complained are also women, but I guess you wouldn't know that.
@@DuoMaxwellDS They're morons too
@@whargapmoeWhat kind of a projection is that? You do know that given the human race continues to propagate, the majority of men out there are either married or in close association of women, right? Which is why we aren't necessarily going extinct in the next 50 years? So what kind of a situation are you envisioning where men are shunning games with uglified women, and yet would still find said women arousing in real life? That would require gamer men to all be without access to a romantic counterpart. Also, did you forget women are gamers too and also not particularly happy with the gaming and media industries telling them that they can't be represented by women whom they themselves like to look at?
Oh, the Gamers™ have standards. So much standards! Like twice as many standards. Double standards!
Nice! 😉
I'm more of a quadruple standard.
It's like a double, double standard.
Theres no porn of the violator from spawn. You lied to me sterling.
Nowhere at all on the internet?
I can't believe that, it would break the rules! 😛
Mammons the sexy one. His abs and biceps are well.. DAMN.
I mean it's in the ether now so someone will make it at some point soon 😂
@@dahn57 If it's true, you know what you must do.
True. I'm guessing it's the spikey bits, cause there is Venom r34.
I am in my 40s now and I can confirm since I can remember there has been charts of different female faces and what hairstyles look best on them since I was a child. It includes... omg wide chins.
Kind of reminds me of the videos I was sent by my Christian friends "Proving" Michelle Obama was a man due to her shoulder to head proportions.
Joan rivers must have seen that video
You should get better friends
@@raven.4815 I am no longer a Christian and do not hang out with them.
As someone who's started taking Christianity more seriously I assure you there's no doctrine about trying to prove someone's sex by their body proportions, haha. They're just raving dumbass idiots letting themselves be consumed by pseudo-political conspiracies. They'd lose their minds if they saw Rhea Ripley from WWE. Hell, the Catholic saint Joan of Arc successfully pretended to be a man so she could help fight in a war!
Sure there's some trends in features for men and women, but ultimately, everyone's unique, and that's a great thing. There's always an exception to any rule they can come up with.
These are the kind of people that stub their toe and then call the toe woke.
No that would be blaming themselves they would call whatever they stubbed their toe on woke.
@@ReelPodcasts True
Damn woke moralists are making the furniture hard and edgy so that men AND females keep stubbing their toes!!
And people still have the nerve to ask you to take your shoes off. That's why ya fools be stubbin yo toes and steppin on Legos. And your house too ffkn cold to not have no shoes on
Subbed my to on my woke couch. So much for the tolerant left!
“Wakes up” Ah what a wonderful day of new potential and joy in this short fleeting life. “Sees title”……. F this I’m going back to bed.
Ahhhh... monday morning and I'm already tired of the Internet for the whole freaking WEEK
You WOKE up!?
@@JagGentlemann TEH SUN IS APRT OF THE AGENDERRRRR!
@@JagGentlemann Oh, the irony of it all...
Ugh. Same.
Honestly I'm amazed any of these people looked at Hades II's Aphrodite and noticed the character even had a face.
I too was perplexed at how the reveal image of the new lara croft was somehow bad, and then I finally saw it. She is resting her finger on the trigger of the pistol she is not aiming at anything; clearly she's not been trained in proper firearm safety and this is a grossly irresponsible image to promote to the public.
In all seriousness though, the ever increasing fixation on "Correcting" female characters to be hyper sexualised fantasies rather than entertaining realisitc and conventionally attractive, not artificially attraction, is so fucking weird. I do hope the people caught up in that stuff realise they're getting astroturfed.
If they were going to realise it's all endless pointless rage, they'd have realised about ten cycles ago.
I am still blown away how any character I might rate as a 7 or an 8 is somehow a 3 or a 4 in their eyes. They don't have big tits? That is 3 points deducted. 3! Dont have a big butt? that is 2 points deducted. Doesn't have a nice chin? 1 point deducted. Combine all that and in their eyes, this Lara croft is a measly 4 out of 10 to them. It really does go to show how absurd their standards of women are now.
This reminds me of "Socialist Teeth" where a bunch of horrible folks complained that furries with teeth showing in their Twitter avatars were all socialists and whatnot. God that was stupid. It's sad to hear that those same sorts of people now have NEW things to complain about it seems.
… showing teeth?
So “smiling”?
W
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*SERIOUSLY?!*
Makes sense. A socialist would have dental coverture by their goverment, therefore, a nice smile.
Well if they stop complaining they might have to come to grasp with their own shortcomings and i have a feeling they dont like what lies on the other side of that mirror.
@@Ramsey276one Oh yeah, totally serious. Look it up. It's on Know Your Meme. It was very dumb. It's still very dumb. Dumb; dumb never changes.
These are the same jerks that got upset that a character in the Last of Us 2 was unrealistic. Then get upset when a girl in a post apocalyptic setting has healthy human peach fuzz. When animu is all you know big shock a square jaw freaks them out.
My favorite part is they even did this to GoW Thor because he shared their belly but is more Chad than they will ever be.
A lack of variety in the media we consume causes serious brain rot and skewed standards. It's like some folks I know who grow up poor, never having any fruits or veg that didn't come out of a can dripping with corn syrup, who now even though they can afford fresh produce don't buy it because it all tastes "wrong" to them.
Thanks for specifying that you don't think not having sex is a bad thing, and remembering asexual people and others who for whatever reason are ether not into it or can't at the moment. You're one of the few creators I see bother specifying that anymore and it means a lot
Related to this, didn't know Zilla was ace? Neato.
Agreed. There are too many other leftists using "virgin" as an insult.
@@toglizAll right, Zilla!
Yeah that's nice. Some incels have to realize that just because they don't have sex, it's not the end of the world. I don't have sex that often but I still date people. They don't know what a hobbie is?
Awwww
at some point the line between Parody & Reality was lost, i would like that line to return please
It never existed, the difference is we gave those people internet access then social media. So now they even have the power to create more of themselves. Remember when we thought the internet would make people smarter? We kind of forgot that the smart people don't have complete authority for what gets put on the internet.
Funny, first thing I thought when seeing the Joanna Dark design was that they'd based it on Ashley Johnson (and then I jumped to the conclusion she was voicing the character). Then I looker up whose voicing her and its Alix Wilton Regan...and low and behold she has a striking resemblance to the character.
So they based the design on the voice actor......but no, it's all some "evil agenda" touted by a select group of people who seem to find a boogieman under every fucking stone in a zen garden.
Oh...and random Sassy Nurgling inclusion...yay for Sassy Nurgling!
So they based this model of Joanna Dark on a real woman...which means the people complaining about her design have probably never seen a real woman.
(I also made the Ashley Johnson comparison, and, like...she's very pretty. Granted, I may be biased on the grounds of being both a Critical Role fan *and* very lesbian, but...seriously, imagine thinking she's not pretty, regardless of whether or not you'd be attracted to her.)
When I saw the PD trailer, my first thought was "Oh FFS they've turned the storyline upside down and and are redoing the whole thing, or they're doing a Prey 2007 and just slapping the PD branding on vaguely similar game".
That was enough to make me roll my eyes at it.
The redesign reminds me on a lass I went on a few dates with that was fun, but went nowhere, so I don't mind the redesign. But then I've actually *gone on dates*, because women don't think I'm some weird freak eight seconds after meeting me.
Takes a few dates for that to kick in, HO HO!
@@TitaniaBird Personally I think Ashely is the prettiest member of the cast of CR, so I am in full agreement with you.
It's shocking when you look at the reaction to a fair chunk of character designs (male and female) these days where folks have complained about "unrealistic" or "agenda" driven designs when they have actually been based on real life models/actors for the likenesses.
Some folks are delusional, some (as I said in my post) are just convinced they can find the boogeyman in the Zen Garden. It's sad but it's the world we currently live in, I'd hope it was "just a phase" but I don't think I'm going to live to see the end of this dumbfuckery.
@@Beany2007FTW ironically I didn't know about the new game and tbh I'm not invested in the franchise.
This whole thing only sparked my interest due to a situation I had while teaching some SFX students Marquette design a few years back where one student sculpted a lovely female main character Marquette and the academic tutor flipped out over how the design was "too masculine" and how she wasn't an attractive character....when he opened the design brief and read her write up and saw the design influences (which included the model the character was based on) he soon clammed up.
I remember similar meatheads insisting that Abby from Last of Us Part 2 had a muscular build that was impossible for a woman to have, period. Only to be slapped in the face with photos of the real woman used as a body scan. Of course the meatheads moved the goal posts and focused in on how "impossible" it would be for someone to have such a build in an apocalyptic setting. Stephanie covered that back then too, I believe.
Guess some people get too lost in their own headspace they lose touch with reality.
Quick reminder that measuring facial features was a pretty big thing for the Nazis and indeed more modern day right wing types. Can’t say the gamers don’t keep fitting company.
Considering that most of these that whine about "wokeness" are either literally Nazis, or real close to being some, it's not really a surprise.
The Far Right is totally delusional these days, existing in a fantasy world where EVERYONE is a rich, white, Christian male, or owned by one.
Lol the nazi also breathed air and drank water
Phrenology has a higher CI than your IPCC's AGW theory. If you "believe in climate change" but not in phrenology, you are being inconsistent.
You think it was nazis but in reality it was the entire scientific community; remind you of something else? Probably not; name doesn't sound very bright :D
@@asn8744 yawn I’m a gamer nor a nazi
@@James-l5s7kPhrenology has been discredited for over a hundred years now, it is and always has been exclusively an excuse to justify racism. It's not a serious scientific practice, and you will not get published in any peer-reviewed scientific journal by submitting a "study" on it
This video lays out together a bunch of really salient points really close together, and it's quite nice to see these things put so bluntly. The inconsistency of insults against gender presentation, the continual shifting of rhetorical focus, the fluidity of beauty standards, and the corporate manufacture of beauty standards.
I‘m watching this on a subway and find myself scanning every woman on the train‘s chin and aside from feeling like a creep I can now confidently confirm that no one fucking cares
I'm a man with a wide chin like the ones depicted but I inherited it from my mother. Is my chin woke or not?
Genes are "woke"!
"Woke chin, but only on my mother's side."
you took it from your mother, it's anti-woke obviously.
Id love to know what they think character artists do. "Ok ive finished making a sexy woman now i will apply the woke chin!"
"Just gotta turn up the 'woke chin' dial! Turning it up to 11!"
Oh these people are crazy. They are so insecure about their bigotry that they think game developers are just sitting there trying to derail the game to show they are better people than them. It's the biggest self-report.
The new art of Aphrodite made me realise she was naked lmao. I did not realise she was naked in the first game at all. What the fuck is wrong with my eyes lmao. (It's a mix of: I don't wear glasses that I perhaps should and lean more ace than allo. lmao. Still kills me that I couldn't tell she was NAKED lmao.)
Ace here too and not into Hades yet, it took me a moment to realise too, I thought she was just in a pink bodysuit 😂
Honestly, her design is kind of a slay considering her theming, and probably one of the least changed ones between games??
Like, if anything the chin looks slightly narrower, and she looks a little less like a fierce warrior, but still not to a notable degree. Didn't they get their way with her redesign??
It might be that now there's visible underwear-esque armor that contrasts enough with the pink to be noticable
“wE cAn AlWaYs TeLl!”
iTs iN tHe eYeS
What my homie says about why they chose Yasuke for AC Shadows 😂
The shitlords who say that would also be the first people to fall for Bugs Bunny in drag.
You should look into the CHUD demands for Judas. They're claiming bioshock 1 and 2 were apolitical and demanding judas be apolitical too. It's utter madness.
the WHAT!?
What they say: These games are apolitical.
What they mean: These games have politics that I either agree with or just didn't notice.
@@jonathankent1517 still amazes me, because Bioshock 1 disagrees with them and the whole franchise is a subscriber of the "I know writers who use subtext and they're all f*cking cowards" philosophy.
@@youmukonpaku3168 These are the same people that are worried that Kojima will now put political takes in Metal Gear Solid...
An anecdote
When I was a teen my peers would cone to me for relationship advice. How I gained that role is still a mystery to me, I just know in high school kids I did not know started seeking me out for that. It was mostly girls at first, but after mediating a couple conflicts well meaning guys worried they weren't Doing It Right showed up from time to time as well.
Every time a dude came to ask me something, there was always Willful Ignorance involved with the conflict. Even the ones who Wanted To Be Nice looked absolutely Shell Shocked when I told them persuing an intimate connection without Being Friends First garuntees the foundation of that connection will be Made Of Sand and Collapse under any strain. The idea of *caring for someone they wanted to have sex with, establishing a relationship first,* was so alien to these teenagers that one guy literally had his jaw hanging open when I explained it to him.
You can't make demands of strangers. A relationship is co operative. It requires that you Care About and Respect the other person.
The fact that everything the web outrage machine loses its shit over are Very Basic Behavioral Issues That Indicate A Disrupted Development ( see also NO ONE TAUGHT THEM BETTER ) are issues that Cannot Be Worked Around. They are fundamental, and require change on the part of the person holding onto these childish ideas.
The thing is they don't want to fix themselves they just want to make life misserable for anybody else.
@@DJDocsVideos I fully realize the trouble of the beligerant. The anecdote was about the willing was to highlight even guys who WANT to be better than the biggest asshole in the room could not comprehend of being *friends with the object of their affection until someone told them,* and even then would try to debate me on some occasions.
Because the joke in the 90's about Girls Being A Different Species was internalized. And the ones who Refused, the Beligerant, to learn better are continuing to act under this assumption.
I fully recognize the Beligerant are much worse and actively dangerous.
It's probably not a coincidence a lot of these angry culture warriors are still standing by Diddler Disrespect.
Who is doing so? Those I know of on TH-cam are disavowing the doc after he confessed.
@@Martynde In some fairness, even many anti-woke people arent likely to support a diddler. Even scum of the earth murderers and r-words hate em, so I get your skepticism. However, many do still stand by him, if only due to wanting to think hes innocent and is "just being cancelled by the mean wokies!!"
@Martynde there's still a few. They're now in the Twitch Catfish conspiracy theory.
@@Martyndequartering was still in denial and peddling conspiracies last time I saw
@@ArgosaxelcaosGrummz suggested twitch pretended to be a minor for some reason
No idea why they would entrap a really popular streamer they *just* signed a contract with though. Like, they still had to pay out for breaking the contract, and they didn't tell anyone, so it wasn't to ruin his social standing. Just a nonsense theory to excuse themselves for having defended him when it was obviously indefensible
I highly encourage devs facing such backlash to "listen to their fans" and redesign their women to have strapping goatees.
Her chin isn't even as wide as Angelina Jolie's!
And Angelina Jolie isn't attractive, 99%+ of people with plastic surgery aren't attractive, not to the vast majority of men anyway. Women seem to find plastic surgery attractive though, otherwise they wouldn't be doing it, because men have been saying for ages that it's not attractive, so they can't be doing it for the men.
I just instinctively tune out anyone and anything that uses "woke" nowadays. It's not only lost it's original meaning, it's now basically used for literally anything a right-wing/reactionary person just doesn't like (likely because they're unable to comprehend or articulate why they don't like something otherwise).
They use "woke" to hide their bigotry.
'woke' is the anti-'queer': a word intentionally designed to be nebulous in meaning, but used to attack not defend, identify enemies not allies and exclude not include.
Very similar to "boomer". Surprise, name calling serves mostly to project the speaker's prejudice.
@@0LoneTech Not really.
As a Black Person, im getting horrible flashbacks of my ancestors where they use that skull pseudoscientist to determine that our entire genealogy was no different from Gorillas. 💀
The saddest part of this is that calling them "a bunch of little Batemans" will be seen as a compliment, because these are the kind of people who literally idolize the misogynist serial killer as the masculine ideal.
Still can't believe guys unironically view Bateman as a rolemodel. Dude's literally a serial killer. He's not even that charismatic. He's an anxious weirdo who freaks out over business cards. He's so emotionally unstable.
Wonder what that says about his idolizers 🤔
@@RacingSnails64 If there's one thing I've picked up on from that whole manosphere space is these guys believe to be a real "man" is to have no emotions, no hobbies, no friends, have sex only for breeding (can't enjoy it because joy is an emotion and emotions mean you're gay) and just work constantly. To be a man to these nutters is to be a robot.
Or they just enjoyed a really well written and acted villian, like Darth Vader or Hannibal Lecter.
Sanctimonious douches.
he's really cool 💖
@@RacingSnails64 he's my role model 💖
It's funny how the same people making these complaints don't realise their ideal "non-woke" suitors wouldn't want them anyway.
That's why they are walking contradiction.
They want fictional women to be sexualy objectified and exposed as much as possible while want to actual real women to covered and being controlled as much as possible.
Immortan Joe from Mad Max Fury Road is their idol.
I'm pretty sure all this rage is genuinely stemmed from trying to find an outlet for not having the women they feel entitled to.
Like, there's a bigoted dislike for other people's appearances, then there's whatever all of this anger and phrenology is.
@@lilpetz500 It basically comes down to the numpties not liking something through their own prejudices, so they call it all 'woke' (even when it isn't) because they lack that second cell in their brains for further thinking.
@@lilpetz500 Can't imagine how much they seethe whenever they walk past a mirror, mad at themselves for how woke they can't stop looking.
They do it to themselves as well. They openly admit they hate their own appearance, they measure their own chins, mock each other's faces for not having granite jaws.
They've become a hate cult for internalised beauty standards. Rather than accepting the propaganda of beauty standards isn't real, they've decided they hate reality and want to cower in fantasy, and demand the rest of the world obeys this too
Life's too short to get upset over CHINS
Especially for them, I think an aneurysm is in their future if they just stay mad all the time
I do appreciate you pointing out the antisemitism and racism in a lot of these talking points. It's something a lot of people don't bring up but that deserves to be called out.
Yep.
kudos to Marc Foxx for saying the quiet part out loud. like Stephanie said, give these creeps long enough and they'll eventually reveal themselves.
Having a face is woke.
You're early
That's next week
I just learnt refereeing a football game according to the rules is woke
english fans lost their sh## after Germany beat Denmark at the Euros & the stupidity/conspiracies in the comments were hilarious & depressing at the same time
Existence is woke.
Morality is woke according to these people.
If it’s a man with a dong tryna be a girl it is….fo sho!
The only thing that upsets me about the new Aphrodite portrait is that at first glance I thought she had a badass prosthetic arm on her shield side but now that I've taken a closer look, while comparing it to her portrait from the first game, I've noticed that it's probably just armor like on her spear arm.
She doesn't look Greek to me.
Some of these fools genuinely make me wonder how many restraining orders they have against them. "OH GOD! A woman with a chin." *immediately has a meltdown and faints*
It's funny how this shit never gets applied in the other direction. How are we supposed to enjoy woke games like Last of Us and GTA 5 where we have to play as old retired dads. Can someone please redesign Joel as Duke Nukem so I can finally take him seriously?
🤣!!!! Right??? Joel is a fucking BETA and so is every GTA character! They're WOKE TRANS FEMINIST SOMETHING PROPAGANDA SOMETHING AGENDA THING!!
Because guys are the only complaining about that. The only women who complaining are either pick me , grifter , right-winger or all the three.
@@somik-i3x Also when women complain about character appearance changing for the worse, Dante in DMC is a good example, they just make some memes they lost a beautiful boy and stop at that, they don't go on tirades or create conspiracies, also they tend to be real fans of what they are talking about, you know like normal people do.
And these people need to learn that liking/disliking stuff don't need a conspiracy, sometimes stuff is just unappealing to you and you don't need to make a conspiracy why others like it, we all have that series/movie everyone loves and we don't see the appeal for me is Star Wars, and I don't need to create multiple theories why people are wrong for liking it.
I love Joanna Dark's new look. If anything, they gave her back the jaw she had from the original Perfect Dark.
I love her new look. She comes off as striking, mature and ready to get things done.
It's like a mix of the better parts of her original and Zero designs. The striking face from the original, but the cool orange hair from Zero (IMO of course).
I remember the days when the only Chin people ever had concerns with, within a videogame, was Joe Chin.
Contrapoints pointed this out ages ago. It's just body dysmorphia projection ... Which just makes it even sadder really..
Yeah. Was that the incels video? Can't remember.
Oh wow, that makes a lot of sense.
@@AB-fh9zh it was
woke chins? Ive heard everything now
Wait til you hear about "Safe Horny".
Aka "Mature, unmistakably adult women that has the ability to consent."
Try woke sushi. Now try to keep a straight face when I tell you a deputy prime minister to a country said that
@@thepolishnz I'm disappointed we live in a time were I believe you.
@Smileyrat would it surprise you to find out hes head of the libertarians in my country
@@thepolishnz Not really. Good luck out there.
Don't these ppl have other things to worry about?
Going hiking? Their jobs? Having enough money for rent, food, phone bills?
Most of them are living in mommy's basement I suspect
Nah they are afraid of the outside and exist rent free in there mother's basement or ontop there Dad's garage.They believe when they chear loud enough for the Bully they are not going to end up jamed in the trash can... Sad litle man babies.
Bold of you to assume they ever step foot outdoors
Hey curious to know what would you say if the other side asked u the exact same question about leaving a comment
@@AG-en5y Absolutely. I would say that I just watched a 20 minute video which concisely summed up the issue and then spent about 30 seconds leaving a comment on video for a total time consumption of about 20.5 minutes of my day.
The issue posed by the behavior exhibited in said video is that to scan the Internet for news of new games, to look up concept images and pre release artwork and advertising materials, and then to then have a compiled chart or spreadsheet of the measurements of each facial dimension that sum up to make beauty to compare that digital face to, find a supposed flaw in it, and then take to the Internet leaving comment chains and having multi-hour conversations and making videos and podcasts about how the chins are woke and no woman has ever had any type of chin then the one they have in a folder marked perfect chins and so on and so forth.
The difference is, I've watched one video, heard about what the man children are crying about, and I'm done. They are dumb AF, nothing new here. They on the other hand spend some amount of time and energy on the matter acting like this is something that deeply affects them. "Oh no! I don't get an erection looking at this video game character!! It's a shit game!"
Just listening to this discourse over what constitutes as beautiful for a woman coming from a group of men that will never know a woman's touch they didn't pay for is rich.
Pro tip, women don't f*cking care what you as a man think the standards for beauty for women should be, and especially are not impressed by you complaining you can't get it up to a video game character.
Stop being a f*cking goon and you'll find that the world isn't what you're making it out to be, the problem was you all along.
But that's just me, I'm sure others would say something else.
These ... people are really trying to bring back phrenology.
We joke about it on the Left, but that's the key words. We fucking joke.
Hopefully to god the 'woke chin' nonsense is so stupid they ignore it and go with this or a similar new Lara, no changes. I'm not saying there aren't some good possible alternatives, but anything close to Embracer has been struggling for at least a few years and I don't know if I'd trust execs involved to redesign anything at this point. I'd love it if 'woke chins' was the tipping point that finally got game companies to stop listening to vocal outliers.
..."Mysogyphrenology"..? I am keeping that word. We now have a new word.
In the meantime, women get voice training to sound more masculine to appeal to conservative, misogynistic business practices... Are the conservatives ok?
Never have been... that's why they are conservatives in first place...
Nope, not even close
They've never been okay.
It's classic "gender affirmation, but only for cis guys and we refuse to realise it is that" (including making others change to make them feel affirmed)
See also; gym bro lifestyles, hair treatments and transplants
Pretty fucking far from being ok.
So tired of transphobia being the issue. Can we have a DIFFERENT Scooby Doo villain please? (Clarification: This is not a request of Steph - she is just pointing out shit that needs to be pointed out or she has stuff to say about. My complaint, as a trans person, is purely directed *at* the transphobes).
Honestly, I surprisingly miss when it was just debates over dress colours and pizza toppings (social rights issues still existed back then of course, but like. It felt like there was less charged, platformed transphobia for a bit)
You *gasped* at gay marriage...
You TREMBLED at TRANSESES!
This summer, a NEW threat emerges:
Men.
Who own.
Cats.
Will this woke agenda never cease? How long have cat-keeping men been subtlely inserted into our media? Once you notice, you'll realize it's been shoved into your face the entire time.
(violin sting)
The villains will become worse until the only person to put behind the mask is each other.
But if they stop making their hatred of others their entire identity they might actually have to (gulp) grow and develop as a person.
@@UlshaRSThey could at least break new and interesting ground in bigotry, rather than giving us witch hunts for trans people for like the third time this week.
Thank you Jim Sterling, you pissed off some people with this and I was able to clean up my youtube recommendations a bit by blocking the channels who wanted to double down on the "woke chin" complaints
I look at that photo of Lara Croft and that photo of the real-life ladies at 8:02. I don't see a single problem with either one. What the hell is WRONG with these gamer bros!?
I thought it'd be the usual "Her boobs aren't big enough!" but then I heard "Chin" and I couldn't believe it. They went from aggressive sexualisation to aggressive transphobia.
These are the same people who went nuts because FFVII Rebirth had 15 year old Tifa Lockhart show slightly less cleavage
Fr, I had fake Silent Hill fans complaining about the lack of sexy nurses in the remake of SH2! Those clowns clearly never played the game! 😂
@@Misty25939 are you sure you're on the same page here? sexual trauma is a reoccuring theme in these games and it's bloober remaking it. Steph already covered this. The remake fails at staying true to the original because they didn't get it.
@@BunnyNotFound That's different. In terms of continuity, only Silent Hill 3 had sexy nurses. They looked like ugly, old hags with bags over their heads in the original SH2.
I genuinely didn't even notice that.
Not to be pedantic, but the amount of cleavage shown is the same. They were mad that her bust size “went down” (see if you can actually spot the difference, though)
We have wars, starving children and a broken monetary system. But a chin of a normal looking fictional character is what triggers the most emotions. What a time to be alive.
We have wars, starving children and a broken monetary system.
Thanks Murica
you didn't bring up ol' Jean-Luc Measurehead once, you have the temperance of a saint
this was going on in the baldur's gate 3 forum on steam this weekend. complaints about pretty much all of the female characters not being feminine, minthara's chin was specifically mentioned as well
If Karlach had looked in the main game like she looked in the concept art their brain would fucking explode
This is so confusing to me. I always found wider female facial bone structure more attractive.
Nobody accused the gamers TM of having good taste
I mean yeah, that actually is the standard for traditional beauty lmao
A lot of these dudes who lack any sort of sex life or partner really do need friends who are consistently physically present. Not online group chats or comment sections or video chats. No, they need actual buddies. Easier said than done for some of them sure but I'm older, in my 30s now and I've always had quite a few friend groups. I feel bad for a lot of dudes younger than me who just sit on their computer all day. You get laid by a friend introducing you to someone else or you go to a party and meet someone or heck even one of your buddies sets you up. Also real human interaction decreases the likelihood for getting so lost in the sauce of culture war politics and terminally online debates. When you're actually in the room with a diverse set of friends you learn how to actually talk to people and that helps find connection with someone. Basically these people have to touch some grass.
Imo part of the problem people don't address is the Carland issues. When I was very young I lived in a housing complex and every day my brothers and I would scatter out to its limits with our friends getting up to shenanigans and playong sports or pretend.
Then my parents moved us to a bigger house in a "normal" suburb and every single one of us became keyboard surfers all day long. It would take 20 mins of walking just to reach a park, there was nothing except the park around unless you had money, and the jungle gym in it was only for the smallest kids so unless we wanted to play soccer, nothing to do.
As I got older, I was sent almost exclusively to schools that were physically far from my house, so I had friends at school but I couldn't hang out after school because I'd miss the bus and both my parents worked and thus didn't want to pick me up. On weekends, I didn't go anywhere because public transit was bad and cost money I didn't have and my friends eventually just stopped inviting me over because I could never get a ride.
By high school I didn't even participate in any clubs, because, again, I'd miss the fucking bus. The only bus I could rely on. And for reference I'm extremely social. I never had public speaking issues and as soon as I had a job and was going to university I had lots of friends and would meet them regularly. Once I had a license even more so.
But the fact that most parents want their children to live in suburbia, a fucking wasteland for any fun or activity, is because it's "safer" and then these suburban spots have little to no transit and parents are too tired from work+commute that they can't take their kids anywhere leads to the iPad baby epidemic.
Capitalism is a huge part as well, because catering only to kids and teens is either not profitable or too expensive for most families, but especially the fact that North America is spread out super thin and has basically no solid rail or bus networks anywhere except the biggest and densest cities means none of this will change no matter how much people whine about it on social media.
We need to fucking stop prioritizing cars over people. 15 mins cities and vibrant activity diversity will do infinitely more for social lives than any amount of brow beating.
The increasing lack of community is a more destructive thing than a lot of people realize, given it's another thing pushed by techbros and the forces that be.
I know how it is, too - there isn't shit to do here and it's impossible to begin sometimes once you've been left behind. A lot of these guys probably suck around people, but people are also super busy with their own existing in-groups and don't tend to have much bandwidth for new individuals that don't sell well.
Social media is one of the most evil things humanity has rendered.
@@MasoTrumoi Damn right, car dependence and zoning laws has made the US so bad for any kind of real community.
@@weregretohio7728My only social media is youtube comments. I can't imagine being in Twitter, reddit and then watch hours of a streamer on twitch.
They need to figure it out for themselves, it's too draining to befriend these men and have to argue and be patient with their stupid gamer gator shit.
12:37 - "They saw the community getting bigger around them and perceived it as themselves getting smaller." That's a hell of a line, Steph!
I remember when gamer bros were angry about Tifa in the FF7 Remake.
They complained that her breast size was reduced, but all the art team did was put her in a sports bra.
Tifa has always been a world class beauty with ridiculously enormous breasts,
But heaven forbid she wear an item that holds them in while she's reagularly doing somersaults and kick flips in the heat of battle.
Heaven forbid that she would wear something to help reduce the inevitable back pain of being a superhuman martial artist with extremely large boobs.
It was so stupid.
I'm assuming that this is coming from the 'you can always tell' crowd of sad, lonely little men who will never find love. They shout from the rooftops they've never seen a woman outside of media.
Edit: I was right!
Never seen a women outside of anime is the problem this time. Women can't have chins there.
If "women" they've never seen outside of the media are like Jim Sterling they can consider themselves lucky
@@Kabullo76
Based on the views versus upvotes versus comments this video has been let's say highly divisive. Plus every other comment I've seen seems to be some self-righteous person joining in on the choir of crapping on a "The chudds" ™. It's sad that a person I once respected and still occasionally do has resorted to surrounding themselves with this level of Yes Men.
@@Kabullo76 awww you so much want JS to say mean things to you. What a sad, lonely little man.
God but these people are fucking exhausting 😭 (also feel you on people spinning in place when they're trying to insult/misgender you, I will get back-to-back comments making opposite assertions about my voice lmao "We can always tell" no the fuck they can't)
Them being exhausting is purposeful.
The idea being that they force all rational people out of the conversation, so that only THEY can decide what happens.
Women with sharp jaws have been the supermodel face since like the 60s. This is such a weird turn. The new Lara Croft literally looks like a Victorias Secret model. I don’t get it.
That's a square manjaw and you're either blind or lying. Lmao.
@@divvu1014
No they are a normal human being unlike you.
The thing about black people in fantasy doesn't even make historical sense.
Black people have been around pretty much everywhere in every time period.
There are books on black Tudors and contemporary paintings which depict black people in Europe for heck's sake.
Outside of Africa, they have been either slaves or a type of pet (look at my black servant, isn't he special). It is just in the last hundred years that they have not been that.
@@googleandsusansucksAh, so the Maurs weren't in control of what would become Spain for centuries, after which they established a kingdom?
Like, the continent of Africa is _right there,_ just across the Mediterranean sea. It was arguably easier for an African to meet an Italian than for a Swede to. The idea that people in that close proximity to Europe wouldn't find their way to it is baffling.
Pick a time period at random and these people will tell you there Were No Black People in it.
Their big one, currently, is the new Assassin's Creed about a black samurai named Yasuke. The woke mind virus is erasing Japanese people from their own history!!!1one
Problem: Yasuke was a real person.
"WTF is wrong this time" This is the anthem of 2024.
This is more minor compared to the transvestigators, but as a woman with the chin the Gamer Bros theoretically want (i e., practically non-existent) they complain about that too. 'You've got no chin, eww, get fillers or something'
The only way laura croft's chin looks masculine is if yours is hapsburg.
Well, incels utilizing phrenology to enforce gender dimorphic stereotypes wasn't on my 2024 checklist, but neither was most of the absurd culture war shit we've been seeing.
Tbh they’ve been doing that for years
@@imitationpitaya yup :/
Go back and tell people 20 years ago that, in the future, there will be a large part of the population that thinks men can become women... Also, we know you know. You are just parroting the dogma cause you don't want to be bullied by your woke friends.
It’s just Foppington’s Law, it always comes down to bone structure, check Contrapoints opus on Incels.
Ok western weirdo
Fellas, is it woke to *checks notes* have a face?