The Exploitative Push For Social Networking In Games (The Jimquisition)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2019
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The mainstream games industry is pushing harder and harder for social features to be an expected part of any major entertainment software release.
According to EA CEO Andrew Wilson, social networking is just as important to games as it is to Facebook or Twitter. A bold claim, but one that's part of a concerted effort to normalize the push.
Ultimately, however, it's a long con. "AAA" publishers want more social features because they make money, plain and simple. It's yet another way to rake in cash not just from whales, but from so-called "super whales" as well.
Because no amount of money is ever enough.
#SocialMedia #Money #Videogames #Jimquisition #JimSterling
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Say what you will about EA, I still think it's very progressive of them to let a synth run the company.
The brotherhood of steel tried to warn us dammit!
I believe they prefer "Artificial Human"
I bet he leaves the cap off his toothpaste, too.
@@patricom05 "Mechanical Surprise"
It's not a joke, they found him inside of a meteor.
Switching "Whales" for "Cattle" would imply the business model is sustainable...at least they're not fooling themselves...
Too real!
Cattles implies there's a lot of them. Whales, in the sense of whale hunting, is a better euphemism.
just waiting for the slaughter
Sustaunable unless you burn down the rainforests for grazing lands, or you factory farm them and only feed them corn and they fart out greenhouse gasses.
There is no ethical consumption of microtransactions (except maybe Path of Exile or Warframe...)
"Cattle of the Sea"
-COME GET UR WHALE BLUBBER M8!!!!
Nothing brings to mind the picture of an ethical industry like the concept of 'hunting whales'
The term "whale" comes from casino jargon! Where's the argument that micro-transactions aren't gambling, when they are literally using the terminology of that business?
To be fair, the term microtransactions could Apply to simply buying a cheap indie game digitally and even p2w microtransactions can be honest, you can spend the money on actual things you know youre gonna get by your own choice rsther than some random rng.
And its not Loot Boxes anymore but `Surprise Mechanics` :)
Then you have Konami who make slot machines and pachinko games for brick and mortar casinos... Makes you wonder what other publishers and dev outfits do the same, and try to hide it.
Have u seen NBA2k20....? they are using actual pachinko machines in the game it self ...they just don't care anymore....
@@salsaandbrwx1449 That's not how the games work :) Most of them don't even offer good 'direct to buy stuff' anymore. The awesome shit is in the Slotmachines - I mean lootboxes.
And yeah. Using Casino-terms should be a wakeup call for the law-making bafoons.
Just watch the legendary "make players into payers " speech Jim showed here in full. It's amazing how few fecks are given about us customers x)
"People want to play games together"
Does that mean more local multiplayer games?
"No"
"You can't get them to spend money if they are actually playing together, make them fight each other, matchmake unfairly and display the premium guns that the losers were killed by." - Quite ethical business strategist at [insert favorite AAA-publisher here]
@@Haan22 Similarly to how they could have just made free cheat codes in Dead Space 3 that would give resources to those so called "mobile users" who are like "I need this now" "I want this now" if their goal was really what they said, but that wouldn't make them all the money in the world. Yet somehow you still see people defending these companies who blatantly lie like this.
with only ONE COPY of the game? And give the second player a free ride? Remember when microsoft wanted it so you couldnt even watch a movie if kinect detected a second person in the room?
“Stop being actually social, so you can be more 'sOcIaL'“ I guess
"Everyone wants to slay demons... as a FAMILY"
4:40 "The biggest mistake humanity ever made is getting to know itself better"- Jim sterling 2019
Them's some deep words Jim.
Put that on a T-Shirt!
@@ElvenMans I would buy the fuck out of that shirt.
If we went over every brilliant Quote from Jim Sterling. We'd have an Almanac.
@@ty_teynium screw that, we'd have a *religion*.
gold
"Facebook sure does make a shit-ton of money. Could we produce our own competing service?"
"We make games though."
"What's your point?"
-EA
"My point is that we can't do what Facebook does half as well as it does, and frankly sir, we've had multiple years of flops; we dont even make games that well. Plus, every other company is doing the same thing and so there is so much competition we will almost certainly have more flops."
Android Wilson: "you're fired."
If only we could monetarily OWN THE HUMANITY AND EVERYTHING IT HAS EVER POSSESSED.
Grumpy old bastard here. For me, socializing in video games is a drain of the mental energies that hobbies (such as video games) are supposed to replenish. I play games to escape people, not to be bloody surrounded by them and have them come in and just ninja my god-damn quests out from under me (forcing me to wait until something respawns or whatever). Couch modes? Hell yes. But that's not what's happening here, is it?
AAA gaming is a fucking joke anyway - and that's when the games actually friggin' work, which is a whole other topic and *don't even get me started on that*.
Thank fuck for indies, and - of course - for Jim Sterling.
What's the equivalent of a high five for us anti-socials? A quiet tip of the head and shuffling off to you, sir
I think I'll stick to older single player games and supporting the modding community still around them.
@Vorname Nachname Sad but true. Luckily one of the only good things from the coming massive recession/depression around 2020 is a lot to most of these companies will go belly up. Not much of a consolation considering another across the board decrease in quality of life for most of us like the last time, but hey, its something I guess.
Don't forget the Indies!
Right I have such a back catelog the only games I buy new are the single player games often times the quirky indie titles, ones like sinking city and hell blade just in a effort to support such ideas.
Don't really have to stick to "older" games. There are still newer games out there that sticks up to day one dlc standards only(because god forbid a game that doesn't have a day one dlcs nowadays, early access indie games included.)
EDF5 on steam is one good example. Just cause I'm addicted to it for a week now...
Yakuza series!
If I wanted social interaction I'd step out my door more and play that crappy perma death mmo called life.
You just don't like it cause you didn't GIT GUD!
Like, please, just let me play ;-;
@Drexel Petrone Have you tried the Communism DLC? Everything is FREE there :D
@@belisarius6949 yeah I tried downloading it but it just doesn't work
Drexel Petrone the game mostly sucks because there's no replay value. I mean you can't even return to your character once the game is done
meanwhile there are children who are literally bullied at school for being "default" skin in the hottest games. That's what these companies want when they want social interaction, peer pressure
The funny thing is I’m sure everyone will say blame The parents or blame the teachers. Here’s a better idea how about we blame the media for commercializing everything. Have you ever Seen someone bullied because they don’t have the cool clothes or because they wear off brand basketball shoes while the cool kids have Jordans or they must be inferior because they still have a hand me Down iPhone 4 instead of a brand new iPhone 12.
We have been okay with allowing bullying to be a consequence
Of not being rich because the rich can make money by parents caving
In and buying things to keep their kid from being bullied. The goal
Of the corporations is to teach people if you don’t spend money on our flashy thing your kid deserves To be bullied. The schools aren’t going to stop the bullying because when they try to stop it the teachers get in trouble so the teachers just give up and let the kids be bullied. Why don’t someone create legislation to try and stop the bullying simple because the legislators are in the pocket of the corporations that make money from people just giving in and buying the thing so their kin don’t get punched. And then the bullies get a new batter thing and the cycle repeats and your kid now needs your money for another flashy don’t bully me token.
I knew. I keep telling everyone that fortnite and its fans are pure cancer. This is just proof.
My skin crawls every time clips of that seminar is shown.
I can't even listen to them anymore when I come back and watch/listen to any eps with them in them. I end up getting so furious not just at the presenter, but that no one in the audience isn't getting up and just screaming out how horrible it is
Offline singleplayer games are king and will always be king.
ΛutistiЄ yeah... but playing uno with your friends is a hell of a good time, sooooo.
Coach co-op is the crown prince then
"singleplayer games are dying" said the company taht only sees total money gained and not total games sold.
Started playing skyrim for the first time last month. I’m happy offline.
@@davidking6242
That's exactly right. :P
People who like human interaction dont play online games because online gaming is toxic af
People who like human interaction don't play Video Games in general.
or gamers ask/beg to be able to mute everyone.
This is the truth.
Good point, if you like human interaction then playing online games is a good way of making you hate human interaction.
@Hardcore Gamer This is why Barrens Chat was ahead of its time in pre-battlegrounds WOW. We hated everyone equally no matter if they were (/channel R Lee Ermey's torrent of slurs here). Well, everyone who wasn't Horde (but also Horde too because we knew we were worse than everyone else combined).
When I sit down on my couch to play a game after a long day at work, the LAST thing I want to do is interact with MORE people.
You don't work you neckbeard.
Hell, im moving out primarily so i can have MORE privacy and solitude.
Nathan Iliescu lmao what? Go be a toxic troll somewhere else
Amen
ohh i can appreciate a coop game with a friend or collegue... but when a game forces me to interact with total strangers or spam my facebook friends with stupid "come play this crappy game with me" pop ups in order to progress through the game yeah...that ticks me of. but mehh sometimes i check them out but i am really surprised that people actually spend so much money in those cheap crappy farmville games XD and this is coming from someone who is really impatient when playing a game ^_^ but i would never even consider wasting real cash on those cheap shitty mobile games...
Yes Android Wilson, Social Networking in video games is so important! That must be why some of the biggest games this year have been single-player games.
Social interaction is the exact polar opposite of why I play video games lol
I play games to escape others and my sad life
Much of the reason I play so many games is because I have little social interaction in the first place lol
Exactly. After exhausting myself having to socialize, I wanna recharge by going home and playing games alone, not having to deal with more people.
It makes me ill. I hate the feeling that "someon else" is in my living room, when I'm trying to de-stress from work.
I now only play singleplayer games, like Bloodborne, Mario Galaxy etc.
factorio turns me into a basement dweller lol
when Jim's face pasted onto a cat looks better than the Cats trailer
100%
I feel like it belongs on r/imsorryjohn
Romantic Outlaw I gotta wonder who thought doing the weird live action Cats movie was a good idea. Seriously that had “animated Disney musical” written all over it. Then again Disney just wants to remake shit.
lol comical funny i wonder if they shiver from from that frostburn. will they left with thier tongue stuck out or be clever enough to fix it with a little spit shine.
Less scary.
Oh sure people want social interaction in games, which is why The Witcher 3, an offline single-player game, has been among the top-selling games on Steam for 4 years in a row.
my thoughts exactly XD and how did God of War even become such a widely recognized masterpiece by both critics AND gamers alike?... there isn't even online multiplayer or loot boxes ermmm "surprise mechanics" in there -.-
And Sims3 is STILL laughed at for their Social Plattform 😂
95% of games I've ever played and WILL play is single player. I pay for the game. period. No preorders. No seasson passes. No m$
And I thought I was one special kind on that 😂
I only play a few games that have multiplayer options. And even then, rarely do I engage in playing with others. Maybe a co-op shooter like the Borderlands franchise or building a community in Minecraft. The rest, if it doesn't have a robust and quality single-player experience with an engaging story and fun gameplay, I won't spend one thin penny for it. And microtransactions? We used to call that Nickel and Diming someone, IE, greedy bastards finding ever more excuses to take money they didn't earn.
I'm with you 100% man.
if i do play an mmo, and it's super grindy, i just delete it. granted, almost all games i play are free, so i'm not 60-150 bucks in the hole like the poor fucks who fall for these games.
100% for me.
I just want to say.
The whaling industry exploited its source of income until near (and in some cases, complete) extinction.
Just sayin'.
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. I rarely buy AAA games anymore.
That's what the golden parachutes are there for: When the whaling airship sinks.
Not to mention, the famous Megalodon reached such a Goliath size, by turning to large baleen whales as its primary food supply. Yet ironically, it is believed that Megalodon went extinct because it simply became too massive and specialized for its own good. It apparently began to starve itself out of existence, once sudden climate change and continental drift drastically decreased the amount of large blubbery whales available for it to hunt.
Coincidentally, the mobile market and TRIPELAAAY industry attained unsustainable growth and have raked in billions of dollars, by almost exclusively targeting “whales” with their predatory microtransactions. Now it is almost a continuous struggle just to keep earning more money for investors and shareholders, and governments around the world are finally starting to catch on to these microtransactions as we have. If loot boxes and pay-to-win mechanics get banned, and these companies suddenly cannot ensnare “whales” nearly as much, then their golden goose will be removed. Hence they are doing everything they can to prevent the “legal climate” from changing. The one key difference is that these “Megalodons” are creatures that I wouldn’t mind seeing go extinct.
@@markcobuzzi826 Sharks are my number one fear in the world next to the ocean, but even I feel sorry for the Poor Megalodon. AAA industry though? They can go extinct for all I care. They are horrible people.
@Tenyoken Sekia
Yup. Amen to that and thank God for Jim.
"Let's reach out to the whales and super whales to help us!"
- AAA Games Industry, and also Aquaman
HA! Noice.
This looks like a job from AAAquaman
"Now with our new social networking systems, we can replace those 5 or 6 old, well-established, friends with 50-60 newer, shallower, friendships."
@@lilylopnco As someone who runs a Discord server with 120+ members, and see the same 5 all the time, I totally get it.
Sadly.
As someone who's close friends have all left him and desperately uses discord servers to fill the void........ I don't get it.
Also Darlek Wilson: Socialize. SOCIALIZE. SO-CIA-LIZE!
Gaming Industry says: "Gaming is social! It's what humans need! That's why we provide it!"
Gaming Industry means: "A social environment creates peer pressure and the need to impress others, because a social hierarchy exists now. We can monetize that pressure"
Spot on mate 👍
It's exactly what they are doing.
When people say gaming is social, they mean it's fun to play co-op with a sibling or make a new friend while getting help to run a dungeon or a community-created map. If the "social" part of playing video games is simply to keep up with the Joneses and have my character tricked out with all the pricey mounts and armor and whatnot, then I'd rather not play OR I won't spend money. I don't think I'm speaking out of turn when I say a great part of the appeal of video games, in theory, is that we can escape that sort of shit by being almost guaranteed a reward of some sort for our dedication and personal skills. The way it should be is that we pop into a lobby, look at someone's decked-out armor and mount and say "Wow, this person put a lot of time into this game, and look how far they've gotten. One day that could be me, if I try my best" or "Wow, that person is lucky as fuck with the RNG". Instead my reaction is "Fucking P2Ws ruin everything".
Jim-faced-Cat into sexy Venom is probably the most Jim Sterling opening of any Jimquisition ever.
We must start a dreadful movement. To get every cat photo overlaid with Jim mother ******* sterling son!
Sounds like fighting game terminology.
@@DaddysFlipside
Finish him!
1999 - I need this now, i want this now, i must find a cheat
2019 - i need this now, i want this now, I must pay for microtransactions
Wow how to exploit addictive personalities hmm that sounds like a casino. At least with a casino they give you a nice room and special treatment what does a game give you? Digital currency?
not digital currency, a *CHANCE* at digital currency if you pay enough real currency!
a nylon bag
@@technopoptart and a moldy helmet.
Hearing them go on about whales unironically is a dystopian snapshot of a morally dead industry.
Exactly! I kept thinking about Dishonored 😂
Unlimited profit at all costs, whether legal or moral has been present in humanity for a long time. Entire Nations have been founded upon this one principle.
@@heckyes Back then the merchants still had a concept of "us" they as part of a nation.
Now they wish to be above it all.
There was no moral standard in gaming from the begining. It is about profit
All industry is morally dead. You can't kill what never lived.
6:22 Imagine unironically calling people "whales" and "super-whales" at a talk like this. The way these people de-humanise their customers is nothing short of disgusting.
De-humanizing your enemies is often the first step any leader takes, because it allows those that work below you to stop seeing their techniques on them as inhumane. This is manipulation tactics used in warfare being performed so casually in the game industry. Says a lot about how it is these days, doesn't it?
In crime it is called 'neutralization' you are trying to convince yourself you are not a bad person for hurting these people. They deserve this. It is a common thread in business and politics these days, dehumanize then destroy.
It's also why the slave trade was ever a thing.
@@charlesmelenyzer8919 yeah I have heard about that tactic.
It's easy to do something terrible if you have a distinct disconnect from it.
Giving it a label that would make it inhumane or inhuman gives you this.... I hesitate to say "reason", but excuse is too weak a word.
The technique just seems to flip the right switch more often than not... and people do what you want like you intended.
Androids? Nah fukem.
"Consume the content" - why is entertainment/gaming jargon so terribly horrifying?
Because it actually is.
because its casino thinking
My standard routine when playing ANY game with social options: turn off chat, turn off voice chat.
One day they will have it where you have to pay $50 a month just to keep them off because that would ruin the "fun" of the game.
@@bloodling3885 or selling you $99 for the ability to CREATE YOUR OWN E-PRIVATE servers.
and then the game will force you to "socially interact" which is in reality "spam your other friends with annoying messages in the hope they can hook people with addiction issues and turn them into piggy banks" in order to even get ahead in the game instead of being stuck on your small starting area with crappy useless shit
Showing WALL-E when you talked about Android Wilson is not right, because he actually has a personality!! 😄
Hippic at least daleks will just kill us with lasers , better than being nickled and dimed to death over years
And a heart
And is adorable.
Even R2D2 has more personality than him, and he's a comedic relief that can't speak.
Android Wilson also has a personality though - sleazy prick.
"People want social games!"
The kicker is I actually do want some games to be social.
I want social games like they were 10-12 years ago. I remember fondly the days of Halo 3 and Reach, Gears of War 2 and 3, and Modern Warfare 1 and 2 when my friends and I would play and holler at strangers and the strangers would holler back at us. I remember the time when I was 16 playing MW2 talking to a marine that got back from Afghanistan and how cool that was. I remember the time I and other gamers helped a kid in the lobby going through a depressive episode and how heartwarming it was despite how terrible gamers can be. Man those were genuinely great times! You really don't see that much anymore. It's so silent.
So yes, as an extrovert I do want social games.
The Boss Tweed gaming industry doesn't want that.
They want it where if I'm playing RDR2 or Witcher 3 I can be perpetually harassed by others to play a game I do not want to play or buy things I don't want to buy. They want a game where I'm encouraged to spend money and harass others to spend money.
That is NOT social gaming.
That is a pyramid scheme.
Even worse, it's likely a *global* pyramid scheme. One that wants to reach out to the entire world, if it alrea y hasn't done so by now.
Well said!
They wonder why sales are "below expectations"...it's because there's a difference between what they believe and what reality is like, they have a severe psychological defect which blinds them to that fact.
I feel you and I wholeheartedly agree with your concept of social gamers. I wish those days of halo 3 still existed
Best thing about the past multiplayer games was that you could actually call out your opponent for being bad. Now you cant even say gg ez
I regret to inform you dearest sir that "arena" is not actually in Pittsburgh, that's in DUNBAR, slightly over an hour SOUTH of Pittsburgh, and is in reality the sad remains of the closed-down movie theater in a mall I spent far FAR too many years roaming around and shopping in back before it became a glorified flea market in more recent years.
Fortunately, you will also apparently be in town in time for the last day of the Fayette County Fair, the fairgrounds are literally right down the road at the next intersection of the highway from the mall, so there's that to enjoy while you're there. (PS- the address of the mall may say Lemont Furnace, but that is indeed all part of DUNBAR, a town you will likely never see because it's over the hill beyond the fairgrounds in a little river valley and looks a bit like one of the towns in Fallout76, but nicer.)
I wish you a safe journey and may you enjoy your adventure to the mountains of southwestern PA.
On top of what you mentioned, I sometimes wonder if part of the reasons they are able to dupe people into believing social gaming is the future is that old misconception that gamers are secluded, don't interact with others, don't have friends, etc... and by making social gaming they are trying to nab people who want to prove others wrong. Wouldn't' be the first time companies used existing social misconceptions for social engineering.
"As we all know, EA CEO Android Wilson needs Tungsten to live." Lost it at that.
He had me in tears from the moment he started narrating the interview in that robotic voice and once Dalek started to creep out from the corner I had to put my laptop away in order to gasp for air.
Andrew Wilson also reminds me of Patrick Bateman. But this is just as gold.
I like how Robo-Wilson doesn't say how players "keep playing the game with friends", it's "consume the content together". Maybe Andrew's one of those Aliens from They Live.
Wilson has such a awkward why to express himself
“How do whales find your game?” Echolocation, presumably
The robot segment had me trying to muffle my giggles at the office. Cheers to the Dalek cameo HAHAHA
Honestly, I think these CEOs have more in common with the bloody pepper-pots than most humans.
Cats trailer: I am the most disturbing thing you can see
Jimbo: Hold my jewels
Bro subcribe my channel.
Cats needs cat noses.
I think you mean how Jim FIXED the cats trailer
"Super Whales"
>Gang Orca
I love this channel.
"[...]the biggest mistake humanity ever made was getting to know itself better!" - Jim Sterling, 2019
concept of "Escapism" says more about the world we live in now, than anyone would like to admit
Wow you got the famous internet feline JIM PURRLING??
Damn you beat me to it
This is top tier.
I smell a new wrestling gimmick for when SterDust gets retired...
Them: "People want social games!"
Me: *looks at Sekiro (100% offline single player game) sales and Steam stats*
But if people don’t want social games, why do we hate the epic store for having weak social features in games, while having exclusives? If the social functionality doesn’t matter, why does it matter which launcher you use?
Because most of the beef I have seen against epic store was that it lacked the very features everyone here’s saying they don’t need. Wasn’t that also the beef with the Bethesda launcher?
Might work better with God of War (2018) instead of Sekiro, tbh
@@Farscryer0 True. I went with Sekiro because I'm currently playing it and it popped into my mind immediately.
@@IAmAnEvilTaco it wasn't just the weak social features, it was an amalgamation of bad publicity, making games exclusive to the epic store, and utter disregard for the people they claim to care about
Also, why did you shoehorn epic in this episode?
@@IAmAnEvilTaco
First, people do want social games - but only in addition to normal games, not instead of them.
Second, social features of a marketplace have nothing to do with social gaming.
4:40 that is such a powerful quote
First they came for the Facebook games.
I did not speak up, because I was not on facebook.
Then they came for the Mobile games
I did not speak up, because I was not a mobile gamer.
Then they came for the Online shooters.
I did not speak up because I was not an online shooter.
Then they came for the single player games.
And there was no-one left to speak for me.
Ironically, I believe, the term whale for big spenders comes from the gambling industry. If the game industry starts "comping" whales with small perks like the equivalent of hotel rooms like the casinos do, we know how closely they are learning from that industry.
Yeah whale is a classic term for a big spender at a casino.
They do. Every game keeps track of their whales accounts. If a whale sends an issue to technical support they will get a good outcome even if the issue at hand (like a technical problem) can't be fixed they will usually get comped either in game currency or items from the in game stores.
MMOs will actually do this.
I think it was used ironically by gaming communities in the beginning.
Free to play games do stuff like this a lot. Like if you used to spend but stopped, they will notice this and everyone over you a "free gift" or a one time only discount.
Not to mention the games start free from the beginning which is the same as when a casino gives you a few chips for attending a show or something.
"The biggest mistake humanity has made is getting to know itself better"
Jim Sterling
XD
gator007 seriously. He could come
Up with book worthy quotes like this. This HAS to be in a movie.
Reminded me about
"People as things, that’s where it starts.”
“Oh, I’m sure there are worse crimes . . .”
“But they starts with thinking about people as things . . . ” from Carpe Jugulum
@ gator007 So true, though! We humans are nowhere near as advanced as we think we are. And some things, we just straight up make worse by our constant meddling.
Where will it stop? It stops when we stop buying it
I just pirated the complete collection of The Sims 3, win-win on my part, I don't give EA money and save that money to get a better pc and pirate The Sims 4 further not giving EA any money
I object to Wall-E being included. He's got more personality then every AAA exec combined.
Personality AND ethics!
And a heart
A. Freeman And R2D2
I’d prefer Ultron to Andrew Wilson. Not only did he have personality, he didn’t consume and trick people into joining forces with him and then killing and eating them.
Unicronic arts....
Don't forget Johnny Number 5 and ED-209
Referring to big spenders as 'Whales' was used by casinos for decades before the video game industry picked it up.
Almost like, like, they are gambling
@@assassinxex No, it's sUrPrIsE mEcHaNiCs
2:30 Actually made me cry :'D Thanks to Jim I will never be able to listen to Andrew Wilson without hearing the Dalek voice.
On the one hand, I've been a cripplingly shy introvert for quite a few years. Like many, I've sought games as a solace away from social interaction, as I could control every aspect of my gameplay, as opposed to dealing with human beings which has all manner of factors and variables associated with it that can turn into negativity and/or drama. Thus, games felt like a great salve for that. But it only made me more and more isolated and nurtured my loathing of the real world more than I should've. So, as I approach my 39th birthday, I'm trying harder and harder to break out of that groove and interact with people more, both in games and out. We shouldn't be afraid of dealing with "people," just because people CAN be leaking bags of shit. Not all of them are. Our brains WANT us to feed its fear, and when we do, we remove any consequence or real-world reward from our lives, which only pushes us further into our hidey holes and makes us less eager to come up for air. Until we suffocate.
That all being said...Jim makes perfect points in this video. There's room for multiplayer AND room for single player. For triple A companies to sell us this idea that single player games are dying is crap. They focus on the unpredictability of competitive multiplayer to do most of their design work for them, they emphasize cyberbullying and herd mentalities to encourage spending money on micro transactions. They pump money into art departments to design skin after skin after skin to sell to people that have no real world value. It's terrible business practice at best, and self-destructive at worst. Earnings calls can say "ooh, look, EA made eleventy-three-billion trillion dollarinos on micro transactions, that's the way to go!" But it's not sustainable long term. Not anymore.
Gamers are getting smarter...some of us...and we know spending ludicrous amounts of money on a single game that doesn't deserve it, and/or on electronic thingies that aren't worth anything and become obsolete within a couple years, doesn't make any sense.
Thank God for Jim Sterling. :-)
when they say they want 'social interaction' what they really mean is they want 'peer pressure' to buy their overpriced bollocks on the cash shop and their lootboxes.
Little billy next door has this really cool skin, you see him walk around in game wearing this really cool skin. this means Little bill is really cool. dont you want to be really cool like Little billy? oh and no one wants to play with a super uncool person like you, you need to be really cool like Little billy. visit the cash shop today!
This reminds me when the cash shop first came out in maple story.
wasn't there a movie about a Billy walking around wearing skin? Wonder if he should have used the "its just cosmetic" excuse when the police showed up
Good thing I'm old and antisocial enough to be immune to peer pressure (at least to this kind).
@Greig91 Personally, I like playing dress up in games (I typically spend half of my game time on character customization) and I think that's my crux when it comes to online spending. I'm not there to try and impress anyone if my character happens to have a rare skin. I just want my character to wear whatever I think looks cute, dapper, or funny, regardless of other players' input. If the default skin goes well with something I bought or played to earn as a reward, I'll probably pair them together if that's what I'm feeling that day.
Paying more respect to people who don't bother with cosmetics seems like a misunderstanding of the reason why some others may bother at all with it, but that's just my -small essay of personal introspection- two cents. I realize of course that there certainly are try hards out there and a lot of gross elitism within these games, but those people generally aren't very fun to play with in my experience.
Honestly,Why do these 30-45 Dudes want? They will totally Rob the dead if they had cash on them.
BUT THERE JUST STEALING MONEY AND THEN SPENDING IT TO MAKE MORE MONEY STEALING SCHEMES!
LIKE WHAT THE FUCK! SPEND IT ON A CAR! OR A HOUSE! YOU FUCKING IDOTS! THEY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO USE MONEY!
Therapist: Cat with Jim's face isn't real, he can't hurt you
Cat with Jim's face: 0:02
Therapist: Jim Purrling isn't real, he can't hurt you
@0:02
Why is your profile pic different in the comment section and on your page D:
*Confused screeching intensifies*
0:02 is my phone wallpaper now.
That cat IS real and WILL hurt you.
Unless it's with the bois, I play video games, to NOT interact with people, even if I'm playing with other people, I usually don't get involved in the social aspect.
"The cars will fly in the future"
The future: DALEK CEO
Psychologically they're already there.
I honestly hate Facebook and Twitter. That's why I always loved video games... because video games are NOT Facebook or Twitter
Edit: Or Snapchat, or Instagram, or Tik Tok, or whatever else is social media.
I've never actively used any of these social media and I never plan to. Mostly because I couldn't care less about social drama and all that crap.
I never used any of the applications mentioned except Facebook. I just use it for homework from my high school.
@@always_serpico
I actively try to get away from TH-cam. One day I will succeed. I hate-love it and I don't want any more, but every time I need to learn something I end up on a tutorial video and that little red number on the bell grabs me by the eyeballs again...
I mostly use facebook for authorization on various web sites and not for social interaction.
@@skyeplus
Facebook sells everyone who uses cookies, even those who don't have explicit Facebook accounts. They scrape everyone's information from other sites without consent and assign everyone an advertising ID. Zuccy is fucky.
"Hey why don't we make a video game and sell it to people?"
- The Ghost of AAA past
That Android Wilson Robot Voice had me laughing to near death xD
I’m so fucked as a single player focused gamer...
Oh, they don't call their players "Cattle" because the grocery industry already coined that term for it's employees.
Dude where do you work, I love my store. I mean Vons hasn't treat me that badly. I mean 8 hour shifts do kill your legs and I'd like 15 minute breaks rather than 10 but at least they're still paid.
@@crackingbreznuts3343 Oh, I work at an independent chain that runs throughout Alberta. They refer to employees nipping off of shrinkage as "grazing", among other things.
If I want SoCiAl EnGaGeMeNt, I would rather play with people I know, and play something more intimate like a co-op campaign, not go out and scream with randoms who's momma is bigger.
I love multiplayer games, but the point of multiplayer games is not having people to play with, it’s playing with people I already LIKE. The games industry doesn’t seem to understand this.
10:14 Ah, Kari Byron
If they want to give players "choice", why not just include cheat codes, or an option for infinite items?
It makes their microtransaction argument dead in the water.
That's how it was before, but the industry learned you can make money off of people's impatience.
@@nickclark1815 would say justified impatience.
I mean
If the game is made super grindy AF and with timers that go over 24 hours...
Am not saying paying to skip them is good tho.
That crap shouldn't be there in the first place.
They're gonna make cheat codes paid DLC (or already have if you count P2W games)
@@MagicDragonesk Funny you'd mention that. Dead Rising: OTR actually had honest-to-goodness cheat codes as paid DLC way back in 2011. Fred Dutton of Eurogamer pointed this out, and even Jim Sterling made an old video about it. www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-11-09-capcom-sells-dead-rising-otr-cheats-as-dlc
"The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying"...
"The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying"...
"The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying" "The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying" "The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying" "The Socially acceptable way of behaving in your game, should be paying"
thank god ill never develop games for free to play gacha.
at work so I can't read through the comments to see if anyone's brought this up but there's another aspect to this I think Jim missed. There's a new phrase in the tech industry. "Data is the new oil". I think they want to be a social platform not just to keep people hooked and all that, but to also collect, analyze and/or sell their info.
That Dalek read at 3min was too much, I was laughing too much to pay attention.
Nothing makes a game less fun than being forced to talk to strangers.
Edit: Keyword: “forced”
World of Warcraft would disagree
Speak for yourself, random TH-cam commenter.
Modern Warfare 2 search and destroy was fuckin funny as hell back in the day
very racist though so y'know... oops
Unless its toon town. But that game was shut down so bad example.
Let me tell you.
Overwatch reddit: "If you're doing solo queue you're just asking to be paired with crappy players, you have to go with a 6-man team, the game was engineered for that."
An online competitive FPS with a matchamaking based on a complicated (albeit very crappy in the result) algorithm that should measure skill and pair people based on that.
Because fuck yeah, I *NEED* friends that play the same game to enjoy said game.
Of course.
Social interaction isn't a bad thing when it's genuine, but the kind of interaction promoted by social media and, all too often, games as well is shallow and meaningless.
Exactly. They don't want you to make friends or have a good time with other people. They want you to look at the "Epic Gear" that the other guy is wearing with envy so that you'll spend money to keep up with the Joneses. A kind of social interaction that is only detrimental and toxic.
You are but a means of acquiring social capital. The interaction is transactional by nature. You're just a number. Capitalism, baby!
Yeah I like social interaction in old games like GTA IV and MW2.
Yeah it isn't about interacting with people, that is what I was doing with games like SOCOM on my PS2 and the early Xbox Live games. Now a days it's all about getting harassed by random strangers who never speak a word to you so you feel a need to buy the stuff they harassed you with.
I don't want social interactions in my video games. I get all my social interactions at work, thanks very much. I don't do twatter, skullfuck or anything like that. I hate multiplayer games because people are twats. I want a solid single player core game with occasional coop . Multiplayer should always be side dish, not the main course.
"Android Wilson needs Tungsten to live."
-I understood that reference.
I don't understand how this isn't criminal.
Silly me for playing judgment, a single player offline game, for 200 hours. Apparently I'm supposed to be playing on theses "services"
Give EA your credit card and all is forgiven.
Try Rimworld -- a game that require a 2000-hour obsession for six months before decide the game sucks. (I kid, it's just one of those "That game sucks. And I should know, I've got 2000 hours logged..." experiences.)
Wouldn't it be great to pay some money, and gain a product? Like, a complete, functioning, enjoyable product to spend my time and money on?
That's the craziest thing i've ever heard.
Believe it or not...
It used to be like that! lol
Back in the good old days.
_"enjoyable product to spend my time and _*_money_*_ on?
"_
You've been conditioned far worse than you think you are.
Or, better yet, a complete, functioning, enjoyable product that never needs updates and that you can just shove into a slot and play.
After the Android Wilson bit at the beginning, I swear I kept thinking I could half-ass hear it the rest of the video lol
I have a big issue with the word "consume". The word "consume" implies a finite one-time action of a product that will require repurchase if wanted again.
We do not "consume" games. We play them and re play them after purchase any time we want. Sometimes 20 years later if you were smart and bought them physically.
Games are not food or fuel. Games are art. Albeit ranging from zero to De Niro. One does not "consume" art, much like one does not consume a match of Football.
Whoever associates such terms to gaming is absolutely illiterate and lacks the appropriate and basic dictionary understanding.
Sees intro. *PTSD flashbacks to Cats trailer*
My condolences! (hands over Brain Bleach)
Let's start a support group. 🤗
Can't sleep, cat will sing Memory.
Can't sleep, cat will sing Memory.
Can't sleep, cat will sing Memory.
They'll get us. And it'll look like a bloody accident.
Oh that's what that was... I was confused.
“I grow weary of this impudent push for social multiplayer gaming!” - Kratos (Game of the year winner, 2018)
I think Farmville was actually the most influential game of the decade. Before Clash of Clans and all that other "free to play" "live service" nonsense there was Farmville.
I’m with you Jim. Fuck social gaming, I deal with people on the daily, I game to get away from that.
I've interacted with too many self-identified "gamers" to EVER want to interact with a fellow human in a video game
Same. There is a reason I avoid gaming communities these days.
Ditto
Hey.. we're not all bad!
Though I honestly don't frequent any communities so I couldn't comment on that. How bad is it?
@@SidheKnight redditors everywhere, everyone thinking they know shit. Lots of furries RPing and then the few good players
I find people I deal with IRL to be the absolute worst.
But then, people online or in games aren't much better.
I just don't have to deal with them as directly. ;p
Mother: "You need to get out and meet people instead of saying inside playing video games all day!"
Kid: "BUUUUTTT MOOOOOMM! This is me going out and meeting people!"
"I _AM_ socializing, R-tard! I'm logged on to an MMORPG and earning XP with my party using Teamspeak!"
Randy: "...Uh'm not an R-tard..."
"The socially accepted way of interacting in your game should be pegging."
The best part about the 360 isn't beating the games, it's showing everyone online that I did.
Simple...they want MMO game revenue stream and time investment without having to pay for and succeed at making an MMO
This is my problem with the industry idea of games as a service.
Look games as a service aren’t bad by default. MMOs are games as a service, and you typically pay a subscription and they continuously provide content.
Its just companies nowadays want you to pay money consistently, but are scared of the word “subscription” and they want us to give them the money, without providing the content to back up the money.
They want something for nothing but promises. And gamers are getting fed up and don’t trust the companies anymore. Because they destroyed the trust and then pretend they don’t know why we hate them.
Also, adding the "demanded" social features is a great way to disguise your DRM.
Ty
6:38 "What makes them thick?"
That Freudian slip tells you all you need to know about what these people think of gamers.
They t h i c c?
LOL, such an underrated comment! :)
I've abandoned games that required a certain number of "friends" in order to advance. Aviator was fun until they changed it to require a certain number of fellow players.
jenbdiamond
So it’s an MLM basically
The contempt that this guy Jorgen actually has for gamers is breathtaking - calling us whales. He thinks we are like the humans in The Matrix to be milked for anything they can get.
Really it's the gambling industry that came up with the term, for players with lots of cash and are easily addicted to games. They've been milking their players for far longer, and now the gaming industry is using the same tactics. Yes, it's extremely offensive and de-humanizing...and honestly, that's the point of it. They don't want to feel like their customers are people, they want to remain distant and only look at the ridiculous profits that flow in.
And sadly, he's right. Sure, most people playing these games can resist (and even more people can just not play them in the first place), but they're going after the most vulnerable.
Look at his body language. It's so disturbing.
Do these scumbags not realize that they're being filmed, or that archived video is a thing?
2:40 u bastard i almost spit coke on my monitor lamo
The robot voice is the best addition to the Jimqusition in a while
"We are the triple AAA gaming industry collective, Resistance is futile . You will do social interactions:"
If they do that, I'll find a new hobby.
"Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be sold to the highest bidder."
@@Blitzkrieg1605 Truth!!!!!
Most ppl play games to get away from assholes, not to interact with even bigger ones.
If we have Super Whale, we need a BatWhale to fight him.
BatWhale v Super Whale: Dawn of Suprise Mechanics
kamulecPL12 Sounds like a future Jimquisition at the rate things are going.
MARTHAAAA!!!!
"Dawn of Just Cosmetic"
100% spot on with this one Jim!!!!
I like how Nintendo did it with the switch. I can screenshot or record a snippet, add text and share on Facebook. That's built into the system and it allows me to share my game experiences with my friends without it messing up the games themselves for no reason.