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- Join me as I explore every single general item tech you'll see in Smash Ultimate tournaments, from game-changing to... let's say "interesting."
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DACIG/DACIT/DAC Drop video by The Negationist: • DASH ATTACK CANCEL ITE...
Item toss frame data here!: www.ssbwiki.com/Item_throw
Other TH-cam videos mentioned:
DITCIT/Super Glide Toss true combos and tricks [SSB4]: • Video
Dash attack cancel item toss: • Dash Attack Cancel Ite...
• Video
Pivot cancels: • Smash Ultimate New Tec...
Music:
Some songs from the Transport Tycoon 2014 Soundtrack
Jake Kaufman - Gypsy Stew (Unreleased DS Game)
Jazz of Maple - Raindrop Flower
MapleStory - Moo Island Play
SimCity 3000 - Updown Town
Jake Kaufman - Whipswing
Jazz of Maple - Login Jazz Ver.
The Brink of Time Track 1 - Chrono Trigger
Jakk of Maple - Ariant
MapleStory - Hotel Arcs: Train Heading Nowhere
MvC2 - Clock Tower Stage
Linelight - Lockstep Lunge
VA-11 Hall-A - Every Day Is Night
Slime Rancher - Indigo Quarry Theme
Chapters
0:00 Intro
1:14 Jank Mechanics
2:42 Z-Drops
3:12 Z-Drop Aerials & Z-Drop Empty Hop Mixups
5:25 Pickups & Ranges
6:59 Z-Catches
7:36 Dribbling
7:48 Instatossing
9:58 EAIC / Autocatches
11:25 Dash Attack Cancel Item Grabs
12:04 DACIT
13:05 DAC Drops (Dash Attack Cancel Item Toss Cancel Z-Drops)
14:19 Airdodge Item Drops & Drop Location
16:07 ɢʀᴏᴘꜱ
17:00 Glide Tossing
17:37 Pivot Cancel Toss
19:01 Back Toss Out Of Dash
19:07 Jump Cancel Toss
20:30 DJC Toss
21:25 Roll Cancel Toss
23:03 DITCIT / Super Glide Toss
26:45 Conclusion
27:46 Credits
#SuperSmashBros #SmashUltimate #SSBU - เกม
More item info from the comments!
- The damage of most thrown items is affected by the weight of the character throwing it.
- After z-dropping or throwing an item, there is a brief window where you can't pick it up again unless you wait ~20 frames, double jump, or do a very fast move first.
- Notes by item master Player-1! twitter.com/Player1_SSB/status/1523855110769725443
I'm not sure if I missed this in the video, but I tried skimming it back over to see if it was mentioned and I couldn't find it. But you can also perform instant zdrop by pressing the attack button while the grab button you used to zcatch is held and the stick is neutral.
It just occurred to me that because of slingshot, new item techniques will be found.
Hey I don't think you linked that video from The Negationist anywhere as far as I can see
@@retrorebootmusic My bad, adding it now!
There a more consistent method to get similar effects of dacit
You run up to the item jump and grab the item while low to the ground and z catch it off the ground. It doesn't have the same range since your method uses tilts but once you have the jump timing its easy. Discovered this after playing Diddy Kong for to long😁.
the unparalleled suspense of seeing a rob and a snake on screen and not knowing which one is going to pull Some Bullshit
I love how you capitalize Some Bullshit, really adds to the ominousness of the depicted situation
and then pac man shows up
@@Luna-Lux then gandalf the grey
And gandalf the white
@@Unmustache1 And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight
Twas merely a flesh wound!
We’ve had the GimR tech now we have the WhyDo tech
Why do? More like why do you do this tech
@@nerothejokeemperor9563 as a rob main
@@inertiaking1 go on
@@nerothejokeemperor9563 as a rob main
*Y E E T*
UH OH
Everyone: *going crazy over slingshotting*
WhyDo, an intellectual: *DACIT*
The virgin twitter slingshot clip
Vs
The CHAD AIRDODGE ITEM GROP
Honestly?
I was expecting this to be a casual "look at this meme Beast ball tech"
But thanks for the actual item tutorial. You're putting out important in information that would be otherwise annoying to find
What is a Beast Ball? There’s not Ultra Beasts in this. Maybe as a Spirit.
@@runningoncylinders3829 Basically it's the name of what apparently is a demonic possesed baseball? Basically you throw it, and then it teleports to smack your target in the face
@@oliviahughes3158 I remember that item; it's in a WoL multiman battle. I just called it a baseball this whole time.
1:42
_and most importantly giving you a cool sparkle effect_
Ah, finally a man who understands the *important* things in life
only a few minutes in but this is phenomenal so far, love the combo of concise info delivery + very funny jokes. good stuff
update: i hate this game
It's the funi rivals man!
Muno so pog
16:10
"And make them even less useful"
Yeah that's the stuff, that's the tech I like
no way ive been WAITING for the *man-made horrors beyond my comprehension*
random character specific ROBIN stuff:
The items that spawn come out under most circumstances when the character is actionable, so after using a (preferably grounded move) you can buffer jump and z to get an instant item. out of this, you can throw the item basically instantly to catch people off guard. unfortunately this puts you in a short-hop so the item wont hit shorter characters. (buffering a tilt/areal also grabs them)
Robin's items are also really bouncy (for some reason) so you can short-hop down-item-throw into a buffered areal (usually neutral air) to catch the item and have the hitbox on the decent. But most importantly you look swag.
not item but somewhat relevant, robin can activate LEVIN sword areals by using a smash input, but you can't do that on neutral areal. using the A+B input can allow you to do just that, making robin (i think) the only character that benefits from having A+B smash inputs turned on.
i know how much you like stupidly random and specific things in this game.
Yo thanks for the info! Funny thing I recently learned Banjo also has a crazy tech called "KFC" (Kazooie Fast Cancels) that also requires A+B smash!
Mega also benefits from AB smash on for Leaf Shield cancels. Also, all characters benefit from AB smash because for some reason it lets you z drop recatch aerial better / with better range? I forget the exact benefit. I think it's a few frames faster or somethin.
welcome to the nerd zone
Icies use ab smash a decent amount, the biggest thing being cheerless grabs, (not cheer cancel, very different things)
Mainly for stuff like LL desync squall -> cheerless dthrow -> fsmash or
Cheerless bthrow fsmash (the yeet)
@@FrostburnICS These words scare me
I remember back when Ultimate came out and people were trying to figure out what the hell the new settings actually meant, seeing that stick sensitivity only affected smash inputs and thinking "there's no way that's right"
what a great video game
"(In Smash Ultimate) Stick Sensitivity *DOES NOT AFFECT* Stick Sensitivity"
My whole life is a lie
Excellent video!!! Thank you for compiling all this info and presenting it in a concise, well-edited format. I kinda hate how decentralized things are sometimes with tech in this game, and I think it benefits everyone to have it in a more searchable place rather than keeping it locked away in the deep dark catacombs of character discords. I can't believe I never noticed that characters Z-drop from where they're holding the item til now!!
You can get true combo kill confirms with the roll cancel toss as little mac, it's hilarious, I love it. Roll cancel toss down tilt ko punch 😂
Thank you SO much for calling them item tosses and not item throws.
One of my biggest pet peeves in all of smash.
0:33?
I intentionally used them interchangeably 😂 They both start with T, and I hear it both ways so often! Since the acronyms are the same either way, I figured, why not use both?!
@@WhyDo yeah, the names don't matter too much tbh, also dope video so far lol. I main an item character and I didn't know most of this stuff
omg it's the ness tech person
synonyms
14:30 theory:
Because grab is a macro for shield+attack, they programmed leniency in the neutral airdodge startup for players wanting to tether using this terrible control scheme. (This is also likely a holdover from smash 4, else directional dodges probably would also have this property).
The tether input also drops items if holding one.
Since Z-drops don't put the player in any animation, this doesn't interrupt the airdodge animation like a tether would, making a delayed airdodge Z-drop possible.
Edit: after testing its also possible with the A button.
24:00 (Using Banjo - high "sensitivity")
For the up throw vairant:
After beginning the dash throw, you must input an up smash on one of the next two frames (exactly like jump cancelling). If you're super quick, you can do this without A+B smash, releasing on frame 2 and smash up + A on frame 3. Unusually, A+B smash will work as soon as frame 2 (meaning A is essentially released and pressed again on the SAME frame (can any useful tech come from that?)).
For the forward throw variant:
I haven't been able to replicate it so I have no idea. (Maybe becuase my controller doesn't have notches?)
Also:
Inputting A+B smash while neutral-ish buffers a neutral smash (Robin's Levin Nair, everyone else defaults to fsmash). This can result in an action similar to the forward throw variant but with different inputs. Dash -> Stick neutral + A/B smash. Looks cool with banjo.
"Stick sensitivity" increasing the time to press A for a smash attack allows for microspacing smashes ("high" is useful for marth tippers I guess)
brain melted
“Press SUBSCRIBE to Subscribe”
Just one minute in, and I feel
more technically skilled already
did you just wrote your comment in an Haïku form ??
The way you chain actual useful information flawlessly into a joke with a deadpan expression and then back into useful information works very well lol
15:41 that was definitely the single greatest thing ive ever seen in smash bros, if anyone ever hits that in an online match, you are a god! Not only is it chad as hell using a super niche technique in a super weird way, but then comboing it into a suicide down air kill is the most chad thing you could possibly do, even for a toxic character like min min, that one play can turn you into a true legend. Like you would be the only person who could say that their min min isnt lame, and people actually believe you!
I never knew throwing items had a smash input that's crazy
I feel like I learned more from watching this video than at school. I don't care how obscure the tech is, if I'm learning something new about this game I'm happy. Also, Kazuya up throwing Mr. Saturn was so much funnier to me than it should be
Very informative, definitely worth watching all the way through if only to learn some fun facts.
Especially since I don't play competitive.
As many people I was expecting niche meme techs, but this is actually an extremely respectable glossary of most if not all of the item toss techs. Im extremely greatful because I actually learned a lot from this!
Sheesh I love this movement of bringing in known tech, and condensing it to make it more discoverable to more smash players.
Ness also has frame 1 double jump cancel item toss which gives him some upwards momentum instead of completely cancelling it like regular djcit
Im still in the DJC Toss and I've already laughed out loud 3 times... In a tech video. You're a Genius.
Look Gary! There I am! 26:52
Great video on covering the item tech. I enjoy how you present it in a fun and informative way at the same time
Absolutely amazing video. Will def send Link players this way if they want to learn more about items in this strange game
i'm just waiting for the first link combo vid to implement item grops
This video is actually perfect for me since I play rosa and down b go brrrrrr. Also rosa likes to land with really late aerials because of lunar landings so autocatches are great for her, AND she also likes to use dash attack cancles as well, so I'mma have a lot of fun against rob, diddy, and k rool
Yeah, Rosa is CRAZY with attack cancels!! And not just dash attack. Like you can ftilt near an item, and make luma forward tilt as Rosa shorthop tosses it. Or uptilt attack cancel to make Luma do a strong move while you grab the item. The possibilities are endless for her especially since downB lets you get items easily!
This vid was great! Would love to see more of this kind of stuff, content was super interesting and the jokes/pacing was 10/10
Wow, I was just looking to make sure I was subscribed a couple of hours ago because I hadn't seen him in my feed in a while. Thanks for the awesome vid.
This is insane. Great video, great explaination, really well made. So much in depth!
First thing I thought of when you mentioned animations affecting whether characters drop an item in front or behind them was PTSD from all the times I’ve SD’d trying to bomb recover with link because I dropped it at a point where the bomb was briefly in front of me. Love to the the Sillintor cameo at the end that taught me how to NOT do that and great video!
This video IS SO GOOD! super thorough with examples, even the "useless" ones. The kicker is definitely that it's also genuinely funny, not in a meme way. very rare In these types of videos . Thanks for making this.
Hilarious video, glad to see you mix it up a bit
Wow, it's been years since I've heard DITCIT.
This was a great throwback to my Smash4 Pac days.
Also the narration is on point.
Question: is there a cooldown timer between tossing/dropping an item and being able to catch it? I assume there is since I dont think you can z-catch instantly after a z-drop. If so, does it factor in at all to what shenanigans you can do?
seems like there’s no cooldown since you can z drop and immediately catch with an aerial
I tested this a lot making this video, because it definitely feels that way when doing double toss combos - that there's a brief cooldown after z-dropping/tossing, where attempting a z-catch will give you an airdodge. But my results were really inconclusive! I couldn't tell if it really was a cooldown, or just the fact that your character's positioning is usually too far from the item immediately after the drop. For one thing, if you land or reposition with a double jump, the cooldown magically disappears, and of course there's no cooldown for grounded tosses. So I ended up leaving it out to not accidentally give misinformation. If anyone here wants to give labbing it a shot themselves I can stick it in a pinned comment or make a mini video about it later because I am VERY CONFUSED
@@WhyDo There are two timers that prevent instant recatches, for z catches you need to wait ~ 20 frames to z catch unless you input another move/input such as a fast special, double jump or aerial. There is also a 3 frame window between z catch where you cannot catch with an aerial, and will just ignore it.
there is sort of a timer, but it’s a very deep technical game mechanic. search up “ZZLIC rob combos” if you want to see people zdrop and zcatch immediately in a combo, they look like rob is inflicting the essence of death effortlessly. Also the actual execution behind those combos is really really difficult
@Jake Walton Lucretio's guides are awesome! Loved them when he made them. The first Z of ZZ I believe refers to z-grab which never had a timer tho, you can always z-grab -> z drop instantly. Gonna rewatch those vids bc they're nutty.
Thanks WhyDo gonna need all of this for this item tournament I'm in.
Oh my god, amazing video as always. Thank you whydo
Sakurai: "If we remove Wavedashing, we will make the gap between casual and competitive players closer, and make the game more approachable."
WDBTHTGP: "AiRdOdGe iTeM gRoP"!!!!
Godlike video as always, hella informative. The fear in your opponents eyes after you delete them with their own item is truly beautiful
You’re humour is just the absolute best. Such a joy every time you upload.
I don’t laugh much, but I audible laughed multiple times at the jokes and timing of them
i reallyyyyy hope this gains more traction i know how much work it took and i hope you can see how much we appreciate it!
This is very useful information. Thanks for sharing.
This is why I love WhyDoBadThingsHappenToGoodPeople’s stuff. It’s the crazy, nonsensical, and in-depth analysis of obscure tech like this that makes Ultimate a great game. The sheer power of being able to get an advantage off of weird and obscure tech like this that brings me joy. Also the ability to have more options to flex on your opponent is fantastic. Thanks so much WDBTHTGP
for finding, compiling, and researching all these techniques. I think I can speak for the Smash Community in saying “Thanks for the video.” It was really well done. Keep up the great work!
I've seen a lot of smash videos so I can say with certainty this is the best one
This was a joy to watch. God I need to play this game again.
Great video, I appreciate the knowledge and effort put into this. Really great presentation too it's very engaging/entertaining
These acronyms/shorter names are making my life so much easier rn. Remembering all of DACIT and the like just wasn’t going to happen.
9:15 Do be warned that Snake can also turn this counter back against you since holding one will lock you out of most moves until it's dropped in some way, and he can still use nikita and even a different grenade to block the throw and even set off the one you were holding.
yo I might consider giving a shot to item plays now thanks to you
I just wanna say that jokes you sneak into your sentences are just, *chefs kiss*, peak comedy. Not obvious, doesn’t overstay it’s welcome, but snappy enough to catch my attention.
13:38 That is a very good point and a very good reason. It makes me wanna learn this tech.
this is the best ultimate content i've ever seen
i love it
Okay all the jokes in this were good but 10:35 killed me LMAO, informative video too, keep up the good content
amazing video !
now we just need the 4 hour casual item tech video :))))))))))))
Thanks a ton for collecting all this info. A lot of knowledge goes unarchived and lost deep in forums and chatrooms.
10:35 "when this happens the animation gets cancelled before actually doing anything. netflix would be proud" that joke was so subtle but it absolutely killed me lol
The duality of labbers
Gimr: carefully releases a game changing tech with inconsistent videos but consistent community work
WhyDo: imma tell everybody the dumbest shit I can possible do, and will still put immense effort into this goal, common videos and appears for community organizing to cause pain.
Truly beautiful
I might not be good enough at the game to make use of most of this info, but just the part about being able to grab items from farther away with forward tilt or dash attack is _so_ useful when fighting Diddy or ROB.
I was watching this casually for fun until I realized I main toon link and this could potentially be really useful to me and now i may have to rewatch it again
Top shelf content
As a casual try hard Link player this will certainly up my game.
This is probably one of my favorite video cause he talks about cool stuff
Why do I love seeing my local in videos? Shoutouts to encore.
The intro lol. I am excited to watch!
I swear I’ve been committed to becoming a Peach/Daisy main at tournament level for few years now and I taught myself all the float cancel nonsense but I’ve only just now learned how to z drop. Such a versatile tool and one that takes Peach and Daisy from being really good characters to incredible characters. WhyDo is right, the item controls and tech in this game are easily the deepest mechanic and undeniably the most unexplored side of this game. Thanks for shedding some light on this subject, because lord knows it needs it.
Talking about how the previous engine was coded weird reminds me when I learned that the jump buttons (at least on the 3ds version) were coded the same as tapping up onnthe stick. Sometimes I would hit jump and attack with the stick neutral and do an up smash instead, it was wild.
Im an items player so knew loads of these like auto catching and pivot tossing, but theres still so much stuff in here! What even is a grop? Now i know!
Id love to see you fight top players with items on and see how well you do and catch them off guard with crazy tech
This is one of my favourite videos, and I don't even play smash anymore!
This video made me smile :)
Watching you slowly lose your mind because of this video over time on Twitter is the highlight of Smash Twitter for me
"the animation gets cancelled completely before it actually does anything, Netflix would be proud"
Daaaaamn. YOU should be proud of that one.
Bones =\
What an amazing week for Smash
Honestly amazing work with these breakdowns, will you ever do this with other tech? I feel like I’d love to learn how slingshot works from you
Honestly the funniest tech vid i ve seen
Thanks for the vid
Holy crap I've played smash for years (admittedly not the most actively) and this has given me so much helpful information, admittedly I don't play item characters much so I may have just been very uninformed on that topic but still
4:42 I love when the screen zooms in Whydo says Ness his real name
This is really in-depth. As a semi-casual player, it’s interesting commentary lol.
23:55 Yooooo, VA-11 Soundtrack, let's gooooooo
On a serious note, this is really helpful. It might turn my Byleth/Mii Gunner - R.O.B. matchups from 50-50 to 49/51 in my favour. I just hope that I actually do encounter R.O.B. in the near future. cause otherwise it might just be better to practise slingshotting with Mii Gunner forward air instead for overall movements because nothing says slow like learning how bad Mii Gunner's air speed actually is without it
Thanks to this video I've found a 0 to death using only a single pyukumuku that works against every character, you can also use any character to do it: Dthrow catch dash Dthrow catch dash Dthrow catch dash jump Fthrow double jump instacatch Fthrow
I found an application for the roll cancel item toss, it gives you access to a frame 1 turnaround out of shield for item tosses. With the roll cancel, you can btoss or ftoss regardless of your direction with only an additional frame. This makes backwards roll cancel ftoss oos a slightly faster oos than btoss oos for most characters, and can give access to btoss oos for more frame advantage to combo off of against laggier moves.
edit: turns the frame when each character turns around during their roll is inconsistent, some characters like rob can't apply this rip
as an experienced smash player and also exceptional item player (yes we exist) i'm really grateful for this video. i can't wait to make the ROBs tremble in even more fear than before thanks to you🙏🏽
10/10 video! You are a god bro!
Da king is back baby he neva miss
The ditcit is definitely based on traction. Sonic may be fast, but he also has the highest traction in the game, but banjo has super low traction, so he can slide super far. (You probably need a combo of high speed and low traction to get good distance)
I only win with items on so this video is a godsend. Thank you funny man
God, this is why I love smash.
The amount of tech and depth is absolutely unmatched
That was so fun thx bro
theres something so satisfying about messing around with an item idk if its the sound it makes when you catch it or what
That very first clip with the made had me rolling.
You are the only person on the internet I can tolerate talking about Smash bros. No one else is even remotely funny to me.
Thank you.
13:39 I feel very attacked. Like a Hero critical hit, but emotionally.
This is easily your most terrifying video yet, and that's saying something.
And yet I proceed to finish these videos. Not sure what that says about me.
I've never been so thankful to be a Ganondorf main before as I am now learning that I don't need to worry about using that A-B Smash tech
I don't even play much smash but I live for these videos.
I think a lot of this is stuff Link mains already know because of remote bomb. Some Sillintor has on his bomb tech video and some others have looked for ways to avoid so we're not punished for accidentally doing it.
Like the animation effecting where the item is dropped. We have to know this to bomb recover and he has many ways of doing this and all have something to do animations changing z drop placements
honestly, an item combo showcase would be pretty cool
9:53 Thank you WhyDo, you've done a good thing today 💜
I have gand problems now so stopped playing but i would 100% pick up mac just for rcit thats insane tech i love it
Some miscellaneous item stuff from a Snake/ROB player:
dash sh/fh z catch when picking up items that are on the ground that don't have a hitbox (Snake's nades, paisy turnips, Tink/YL bombs (using the c4 tech), megaman's iMB, or diddy banana/rob gyro when you have "ownership of it") is a pretty good option. This gives you a lagless way to grab an item and can be transitioned into an instatoss if you throw the item right after the z catch. Transitioning it into an instatoss does get a similar outcome to DACIT except with less range on the item grab in exchange for easier execution (since it's bufferable), the option to full hop item toss (since DACIT can only short hop), and the option to sh/fh backwards which makes it really safe.
Snake's nades have dmg and kb for the explosion scaling with their velocity. Fast nades do ~5% more damage and are pretty much the only way for nades to kill at a reliable % (usually around 170%).
You cannot do z drop into z catch although you can do a z catch into a z drop. This is used in some rob combo routes such as DZZ and ZZ LIC. However, it is possible to z drop dj z catch for whatever reason. Snake can kind of drop an item and then catch the same item. When Snake tries to pull a nade when he already has 2 nades out, he goes through a weird animation where he does a neutral nade toss but no item comes out. During this animation, he'll drop any items that he is holding, including item held nades which can be followed up with a z catch for all items. The item that he drops will not have a z drop hitbox, even if it normally does.
A new Snake tech that was discovered last month called feint toss uses the aforementioned tech. If Snake has one nade out and is holding an item nade and then does a b drop -> z catch right before he lands, he will land and throw the nade in the arc of his neutral toss despite only having z catched it. This only works with Snake's nades. twitter.com/ronnichu_/status/1514340587851370503?s=21&t=ZlXoEn1b-lEy3NzOTN5JZgp