This might not be too related, but Kirby has a Steve/block tech with a one block high block. Kirby can use his up B right next to a block, drift towards the block before ascending, and he'd instantly do the end of his recovery to send out that grounded projectile. It's situational, but it can make kirby's cutter projectile somewhat decent.
Pinning this because I just tested it and it looks really cool! Similar input to EPIC too, it's like the Luigi thing. Not to mention the projectile itself destroys blocks so if there are 2 walls in the way, you can dtilt the bottom block, then do this to break the one in front. Thanks for the info! Makes me wish Kirby had a real projectile like that all the time 😔
@@WhyDo Oh cool. I actually learned of this tech from a Kirby main called juggleboy. He found it, or at least made of a video of it, shortly after Steve came out. Here's the video of it: th-cam.com/video/7GIAszGiUck/w-d-xo.html
if pythra is bringing a gun to a knife fight, steve is a rusty artillery cannon with the only documentation in icelandic and technically the ability to distort reality but the method is really unintuitive
Steve feels like a Swiss Army knife but instead of a knife there’s like ten different machine guns. All of which will kill you in slightly different ways but in the end have the same result of total and udder annihilation
You are one of the many reasons that whenever I find myself up against a Steve in bracket I always pour myself a strong drink to numb the pain after I inevitably get hit by whatever new bs has been discovered this week. I am a simple low tier main let me be safe from the block man.
Oh no it appears that I have made a mistake and said my instead of me. I shall not edit my comment however as I am not a nerd. (also I don't want to lose the heart from the almighty WhyDoGoodThingsHappenToBadPeople™)
I think a problem with Steve, is that its hard to lab counterplay in training mode when you have to manage two controllers in order to mine and place blocks, and then quickly switch back to your other controller to use Steve's blocks for your anti-steve tech before the block breaks.
That's definitely fair, honestly I feel like half this game's problems would be fixed if we had a proper record function... Training modpack helps a ton though since you can set save states with certain resources. You can also use the Yuzu emulator's TAS scripts, a Titan One gaming device, or the Ease of Training Mod/Enhanced Training Mode Mod to record basic inputs... but all those methods have flaws and are inaccessible to most people. Labbing stuff with friends who play the game/people who go to your locals is always an option at least but yeah I really wish this stuff was easier :(
@@WhyDo Do you know any way to 'save state' block placements? With any of the resources you listed? I just want to know the most efficient way to blow up your walls and trap you in them :(
Smash Player WhyDo tried to manifest for a month or so there but we're all good now thanks for the save DDee -ok fr though I spent a month learning Resolve and editing doesn't make me wanna die anymore! CONTENT-
GOD I LOVE THE WHYDO STEVE AND THE WHYDO BRAWLER. I mean I also like the WhyDo pythra more than any other pythra but oh my god watching you on characters with that potential, for insane strategies both in powerful and silly ways... You're the reason that I made brawler one of my mains in ultimate back when I hadn't even played any other platform fighters and sucked even more at translating my platformer experience into smash.
Really happy to hear that!! I do miss Brawler a lot but Steve is just too fun lately and gets so much reward. I wanna at least get Brawler back in practice though since I think he has a lot to offer long term (he's just really hardd)
It’s honestly a shame that the rest of the cast can’t dash cancel off a 2 high block, not because I hate Steve so much that I don’t want him to get new tech, but because it would create cool, more intricate counterplay. Steve’s would get punished for recklessly placing blocks or could use them to bait dash cancel options in neutral
4:10 note that the moment you go into run (which for the average char is about 11 frames, sheik having the lowest of 7 and robin the highest of 16) you can do whatever you want. It's when you don't go into run that you can't act for about a quarter of a second
I show a demonstration of that later in the video, but I believe it only applies to shield/options out of shield. When I tested with run and dash back, all characters attacked after frame 14 iirc.
Yeah I've been testing it and it seems Sheik does have to wait the full quarter second to jab, same as Robin. If there's a way to make Sheik jab faster than frame 15 let me know & I'll add a correction under the vid :0
The competitive-casual community severely disagrees unfortunately, but that's only because they're coping and seething about losing to the funny block man
Mate, your videos are far too entertaining. I often share them with friends of mine that don't even play smash, and they always say they're worth their while, regardless of whether or not they know how painful the block man is etc. And the exceptional thing is, the vids are not only a premium form of entertainment, created with the finest humor; they're one of the best resources for smash tech on any platform. You're so thorough yet quick at explaining anything smash related, I always end up being a better player by the end of the video. I hope Hbox follows through with the proposal he made at the end of the Steve invitational, so that you get the attention you deserve and more people get to experience your awesome content!
i never knew initial dash cancelling was a thing before watching this video, id love to see you cover more general tech mechanics in the game (even ones that are more "well-known")
Bro I’ve watched this video a million times and I just noticed Sundial in the background at the end of the video. I’m very satisfied with my experience
I love that most of the cancel options in smash are generally just to make really basic inputs easier. Like how up smash/special out of shield only exist because you can do them out of jumpsquat which was only done so they wouldn't be frame perfect with tapjump on. Same idea with the side special and fsmash out of dash, as well as tilt cancels which are a side effect of the shorthop buffer system.
I love the Lemon Demon instrumental in the background towards the end, I respect you even more now that I know you enjoy such a majestic musician (and incredible mash-up artist !)
6:26 also VERY IMPORTANT if you're in a realistic scenario here you want to face left as the Cloud Player so you can scoop up jumping Mythra with your cross slash 🤪
I was just watching this video and then for some reason I felt a ton of nostalgia hit me and I didnt know why. So I went down to the description and saw that you were playing music from Pop Island! You dont know how happy it makes me to see any reference to that game at all. Props to you!
I feel that Steve vs Every other roster is like Virus Developer vs Antivirus Developer, at one end is dominating, at the other end is trying to combat it
As someone in the coney party of balance (funny=good) steve is starting to become one of my favorite characters to watch, and tech like this just makes it better, keep up the good work whydo!
I expect the reasoning for the choice of moves you can do out of initial dash are either moves that you could do to cancel jumpsquat (but you don’t have to jump cancel bc ultimate) and intentionally lenient input windows, since casuals shouldn’t be expected to do frame perfect side b’s and f smashes if they want to do it without dashing forwards first
Didn't think I would ever heard Pop Island music on a YT video. Loved that silly game. Very cool video for everyone, good explainations! (I don't even main Steve) And I agree on the (non) Steve hate. Good video! :)
Man I hate living in the middle of nowhere so that I can't go to locals and get bullied by the local steve main. I'll just have to stick to online Dedede until then.
Funny Enough...When Kirby Copied Steve and do a Full Hop Block. The Block get placed as the 2nd Block of the Wall and then...He can Up B into it...Resulting into Kirby Instantly Landing with the Projectile
people wanna ban steve but do not care if kazuya has a billion moves that grant him invulnerability because he is a 🤓 cool epic character from a real fighting game 🤓
The best counter pick to Steve... here me out is Cube Kirby. I have almost had a good fight against Steve while playing and that's cause the blocks can break some of Steve's fundamentals in a match
What would be funny is if he just lied to us about the honesty thing and this EPIC thing is what he was supposed to share in december and now he is gonna take 2 months to find a new steve tech for us in december XD
i like shit like minecraft steve (fun sentence to say) because it feels like a personal challenge from the heavens in 2 parts: 1. dont immediately quit smash and google "mcdonalds job application" and 2. figure out how to send steve to the unholy dimension from which he comes.
Saw you commentating the Spargo vs DDee MU in the Hbox channel so got curious when I saw this recommendation. Your content looks clean I'll stick around 👌🏼 Gladly for me there are no Steve's in my country yet so haven't suffer much from him. Still I watch sets and guides to do stuff with him from time to time so I don't get caught THAT of guard against one~ Lack of knowledge from your opponent seems like a huge advantage to Steve since he doesn't play Smash in a traditional way.
Happy to have you!! And yeah I think Smash has tons of characters like that - Pacman, Duck Hunt, Steve, etc... it's wild because even once you learn the matchup, these characters are still strong. But if you get caught off guard then things become absolutely horrifying!
This shit is why I don't want Steve banned Steve is by far one of the coolest and most creative fighting game characters ever We shouldn't take that away because we'd rather cry and pout instead of learning
Still my favorite thing to do as a Steve main is the dumbest, weakest thing possible: Camp in the corner and mine with an easily avoidable TNT trap. Specifically because if I manage to land a hit with it it's fucking hilarious.
Steve is starting to feel like the America's MinMin. In both the rates department and how he feels like a slightly overtone counterpick character (btw this a comparison to pre-patch Min-Min)
This might not be too related, but Kirby has a Steve/block tech with a one block high block. Kirby can use his up B right next to a block, drift towards the block before ascending, and he'd instantly do the end of his recovery to send out that grounded projectile. It's situational, but it can make kirby's cutter projectile somewhat decent.
Pinning this because I just tested it and it looks really cool! Similar input to EPIC too, it's like the Luigi thing. Not to mention the projectile itself destroys blocks so if there are 2 walls in the way, you can dtilt the bottom block, then do this to break the one in front.
Thanks for the info! Makes me wish Kirby had a real projectile like that all the time 😔
@@WhyDo
Oh cool. I actually learned of this tech from a Kirby main called juggleboy. He found it, or at least made of a video of it, shortly after Steve came out. Here's the video of it: th-cam.com/video/7GIAszGiUck/w-d-xo.html
Kirby tech
THE COUNTER TECH
if pythra is bringing a gun to a knife fight, steve is a rusty artillery cannon with the only documentation in icelandic and technically the ability to distort reality but the method is really unintuitive
I love this comment
Steve feels like a Swiss Army knife but instead of a knife there’s like ten different machine guns. All of which will kill you in slightly different ways but in the end have the same result of total and udder annihilation
like one of those nerf modular things but with actual bullets.
this sounds like part of an anime
This metaphor works so incredibly well, I am stealing this.
Wait until Steve mains start using /kill in their gameplay
if they learn how to use /execute we're fucked
Should’ve been his final smash
Sometimes getting 2-framed by steve feels like /execute at @e[type=!steve] run setblock ~ ~ ~ lava
@@asierx7047 and then Steve goes "Sike!" Puts a command block down, puts it in cycle mode and types in it /kill @e
@@maxmanchik /kill [playername] would have been pretty funny as opposed to the piston and trap house
You are one of the many reasons that whenever I find myself up against a Steve in bracket I always pour myself a strong drink to numb the pain after I inevitably get hit by whatever new bs has been discovered this week.
I am a simple low tier main let me be safe from the block man.
Oh no it appears that I have made a mistake and said my instead of me. I shall not edit my comment however as I am not a nerd. (also I don't want to lose the heart from the almighty WhyDoGoodThingsHappenToBadPeople™)
@@harryreynolds3057 I will simply RE-HEART it I am no coward
@@WhyDo praise be to the almighty Steve cult, sweaty but fair overlords.
But also, you can solve this issue with one simple decision.
@@king_alloy No... Don't you say it, don't you dare say it.
I think a problem with Steve, is that its hard to lab counterplay in training mode when you have to manage two controllers in order to mine and place blocks, and then quickly switch back to your other controller to use Steve's blocks for your anti-steve tech before the block breaks.
That's definitely fair, honestly I feel like half this game's problems would be fixed if we had a proper record function...
Training modpack helps a ton though since you can set save states with certain resources. You can also use the Yuzu emulator's TAS scripts, a Titan One gaming device, or the Ease of Training Mod/Enhanced Training Mode Mod to record basic inputs... but all those methods have flaws and are inaccessible to most people.
Labbing stuff with friends who play the game/people who go to your locals is always an option at least but yeah I really wish this stuff was easier :(
@@WhyDo Do you know any way to 'save state' block placements? With any of the resources you listed? I just want to know the most efficient way to blow up your walls and trap you in them :(
@@WhyDo What if none of my local Steves want to...you know...lab counterplay to their character?
Who cares your not top 50 bruh
@@cullenhutchison6528
Beat them up.
this dude really figured out a way to weaponize Flight Duration: 0 fireworks
That clip with the Luigi at 11:50 was one of the nuttiest things I've ever seen
At this point Steve players' only bad matchup is having a life and not spending so much time learning new tech
”I dont think there Will be one singular tech that puts him over the edge” yea that aged well
A simpler time... 😂
@@WhyDo true.
@@WhyDo WAIT WTF
@@WhyDo Didnt first realisera it was you lol 😂.
I love nothing more than seeing new tech for a character that will kick my ass, but I’ll have fun regardless
WhyDo did in fact go back to content creation after being decimated by DDee
Smash Player WhyDo tried to manifest for a month or so there but we're all good now thanks for the save DDee
-ok fr though I spent a month learning Resolve and editing doesn't make me wanna die anymore! CONTENT-
The fact that there is supposedly no more patches means that Steve is going to become the new Bayonetta and I don't want to see that
I do.
@@Tonjit41 EEEEEEEVILLLLLLL
*do
I do. Hearing people complain about Minecraft Steve of all thing will always be way funnier to me than it should
I thought that Sora was going to be Bayo 2.0 but the blockhead took that title for himself.
GOD I LOVE THE WHYDO STEVE AND THE WHYDO BRAWLER. I mean I also like the WhyDo pythra more than any other pythra but oh my god watching you on characters with that potential, for insane strategies both in powerful and silly ways... You're the reason that I made brawler one of my mains in ultimate back when I hadn't even played any other platform fighters and sucked even more at translating my platformer experience into smash.
Really happy to hear that!! I do miss Brawler a lot but Steve is just too fun lately and gets so much reward. I wanna at least get Brawler back in practice though since I think he has a lot to offer long term (he's just really hardd)
@@WhyDo bro can you please take us to Flavortown again?
Is that a gunpoint pfp?
It’s honestly a shame that the rest of the cast can’t dash cancel off a 2 high block, not because I hate Steve so much that I don’t want him to get new tech, but because it would create cool, more intricate counterplay. Steve’s would get punished for recklessly placing blocks or could use them to bait dash cancel options in neutral
you used the words "steve" and "punished" in the same sentence, im gonna have to revoke your gamer card. we dont do that here
"when all of your techs até telegraphed no tech is telegraphed"
-steve mains
Keep finding more tech for Steve, I wanna see the funny block man win more majors. He deserves it.
I get a sadistic satisfaction from seeing people so mad at the block guy from Minecraft.
Steve is the peek smash character. Sakurai and his team are next level
4:10 note that the moment you go into run (which for the average char is about 11 frames, sheik having the lowest of 7 and robin the highest of 16) you can do whatever you want. It's when you don't go into run that you can't act for about a quarter of a second
I show a demonstration of that later in the video, but I believe it only applies to shield/options out of shield. When I tested with run and dash back, all characters attacked after frame 14 iirc.
Yeah I've been testing it and it seems Sheik does have to wait the full quarter second to jab, same as Robin. If there's a way to make Sheik jab faster than frame 15 let me know & I'll add a correction under the vid :0
Ok yeah went back and couldn't get it. My b!
Sheik cannot jab forward, but she can go into the skid animation on f8, which than can be cancelled into a reverse jab (or tilt attack)
dash cancel into subscribe is the forbidden tech. i can't believe he knows about this.
I don’t even main Steve but im glad I watched, Learned something nee about specials canceling initial dash
'I'm committed to honest and integral blackmail' this line absolutely killed me
Fantastic. Some more Steve tech to surprise my opponents with when I eventually go to my first local.
Steve is so awesome
Like unironically Steve is actually sick and if you disagree you're wrong.
The competitive-casual community severely disagrees unfortunately, but that's only because they're coping and seething about losing to the funny block man
hes simultaneously sick and lame
i consider his kit to be "too much sauce, not enough pasta" those base physics can really hurt but man does he have so much cool stuff.
How
Steve haters are crybabies
Convinced we will never see ranking every brawler moveset part 2 :( But I’m loving how much fun you having with Steve tho!
Mate, your videos are far too entertaining. I often share them with friends of mine that don't even play smash, and they always say they're worth their while, regardless of whether or not they know how painful the block man is etc.
And the exceptional thing is, the vids are not only a premium form of entertainment, created with the finest humor; they're one of the best resources for smash tech on any platform. You're so thorough yet quick at explaining anything smash related, I always end up being a better player by the end of the video.
I hope Hbox follows through with the proposal he made at the end of the Steve invitational, so that you get the attention you deserve and more people get to experience your awesome content!
i never knew initial dash cancelling was a thing before watching this video, id love to see you cover more general tech mechanics in the game (even ones that are more "well-known")
I wish there were other characters as cool and mechanically expressive as Steve in this game.
PAC-MAN?
Bro I’ve watched this video a million times and I just noticed Sundial in the background at the end of the video. I’m very satisfied with my experience
Can't wait for commentators to have to say the names of Steve tech in bracket just like with smash 4 shulk
Steve is gonna tô become the New Ice climbers with New bullshit being discovered and making hum even more broken and i'm totally into it
I love that most of the cancel options in smash are generally just to make really basic inputs easier. Like how up smash/special out of shield only exist because you can do them out of jumpsquat which was only done so they wouldn't be frame perfect with tapjump on. Same idea with the side special and fsmash out of dash, as well as tilt cancels which are a side effect of the shorthop buffer system.
I love the Lemon Demon instrumental in the background towards the end, I respect you even more now that I know you enjoy such a majestic musician (and incredible mash-up artist !)
Hell yea!! I made a couple Guy Fieri combo videos set to his music a while back, one of my favorite musicians. Spirit Phone in particular is INSANE
6:26 also VERY IMPORTANT if you're in a realistic scenario here you want to face left as the Cloud Player so you can scoop up jumping Mythra with your cross slash 🤪
Steve never gets better. He’s always been this good, but it’s the people who are discovering his powers which is what makes people think that
I was just watching this video and then for some reason I felt a ton of nostalgia hit me and I didnt know why. So I went down to the description and saw that you were playing music from Pop Island! You dont know how happy it makes me to see any reference to that game at all. Props to you!
YESSS Pop island was so amazing, def recommend going back and checking out the soundtrack again there were some bangers :D
Instructions unclear, I dashcancelled into my wall instead of the subscribe button.
11:53 that's a hilarious way to gimp luigi's recovery, I love it
I feel that Steve vs Every other roster is like Virus Developer vs Antivirus Developer, at one end is dominating, at the other end is trying to combat it
As someone in the coney party of balance (funny=good) steve is starting to become one of my favorite characters to watch, and tech like this just makes it better, keep up the good work whydo!
Ah, I remember when Steve first came out and everyone said he was mid, how the turn tables.
guys the tower fell :(
Sadly yes
as someone who hasnt played and isnt planning to play any smash game other than smash brawl, this info is very helpful for me
Now this is E.P.I.C clearly everyone should main Steve
I expect the reasoning for the choice of moves you can do out of initial dash are either moves that you could do to cancel jumpsquat (but you don’t have to jump cancel bc ultimate) and intentionally lenient input windows, since casuals shouldn’t be expected to do frame perfect side b’s and f smashes if they want to do it without dashing forwards first
Did not knew about the blackmail thing. Respect!
Damn you know the pop island ost??? Thats actually so sick the game is never talked about anywhere tbh.
Remember the days of “He’s just a gimmicky mid tier.”? 🤣
Bottom tier
I love the commentary and editing
I am glad Luigi can benefit from it and use the plunger morally.
7:20 There is no way sakurai didn’t put that there while knowing few would actually read it.
Loved the youtube channel joke
Bro this is my first time seeing you and dude youre freaking amazing. Keep up the excellent work
Why are his descriptions so funny?!?
Didn't think I would ever heard Pop Island music on a YT video. Loved that silly game.
Very cool video for everyone, good explainations! (I don't even main Steve) And I agree on the (non) Steve hate. Good video! :)
Great video overall, but I wanna give props to the Sakurai video intro edit. That was amazing and is gonna fuel a lotta memes.
honestly the way steve keeps discovering stupid bs tech is probably the most representative thing of Minecraft as a whole that he has
Man I hate living in the middle of nowhere so that I can't go to locals and get bullied by the local steve main. I'll just have to stick to online Dedede until then.
cannot wait for the meta in 2024 where guy fieri uses the b-reverse fortnite flash off a hovering 1-block to punish EPIC
Local buff man hits head off block a lot, mass concussions lead to delusions
Whydo, more Sora!
(Jk I love you man. Great content all around, just don't feel like we have enough sora content creators out there.)
Funny Enough...When Kirby Copied Steve and do a Full Hop Block. The Block get placed as the 2nd Block of the Wall and then...He can Up B into it...Resulting into Kirby Instantly Landing with the Projectile
lol that subscribe transition was so smooth i had to subscribe. touche
I don't really play smash but I was able to understand all of this and wow great video
11:53 What clip is that.
I must know.
It's ridiculous!
people wanna ban steve but do not care if kazuya has a billion moves that grant him invulnerability because he is a 🤓 cool epic character from a real fighting game 🤓
Neither should be banned
The best counter pick to Steve... here me out is Cube Kirby. I have almost had a good fight against Steve while playing and that's cause the blocks can break some of Steve's fundamentals in a match
I was wondering where item breakers was but this is better tbh. Glad you're doing tech again
okay why is the patreon drawing of faust with a gun so fucking good tho
the Sakurai joke was amazing
Wish u came out with this video this last weekend. Just lost to a Steve game 5 winners semis. Never played the MU before lol. I main Luigi
eluhtruh new steve meta pronunciation
7:17 golden
What would be funny is if he just lied to us about the honesty thing and this EPIC thing is what he was supposed to share in december and now he is gonna take 2 months to find a new steve tech for us in december XD
2:40 That's only if we lived in an ideal world, this applies to so many things lmao
i like shit like minecraft steve (fun sentence to say) because it feels like a personal challenge from the heavens in 2 parts: 1. dont immediately quit smash and google "mcdonalds job application" and 2. figure out how to send steve to the unholy dimension from which he comes.
STEVEN is such a menace. I love it! Lol
I used to respect you. Now you have literally become my nightmare. Steve is broken thanks to you and many others
10:44
Damn, I have no Steve DLC
Guess I'll die
Glad to see somebody using the sakuri channel meme format
Kazuya 🤝 Steve
Ability to not care about “dash vulnerability” (myth invented by the government to make you think)
Did mans just say help Steve reach top tier. Buddy... your work is finished. Your goal has been attained.
Lowkey steve might be top 50
Good vibes, I don’t like Steve but I like you.
The 48 hour prophecy continues its reign
I think its funny that funny block man is the best character in the gane and im all here for it
Saw you commentating the Spargo vs DDee MU in the Hbox channel so got curious when I saw this recommendation. Your content looks clean I'll stick around 👌🏼
Gladly for me there are no Steve's in my country yet so haven't suffer much from him. Still I watch sets and guides to do stuff with him from time to time so I don't get caught THAT of guard against one~ Lack of knowledge from your opponent seems like a huge advantage to Steve since he doesn't play Smash in a traditional way.
Happy to have you!! And yeah I think Smash has tons of characters like that - Pacman, Duck Hunt, Steve, etc... it's wild because even once you learn the matchup, these characters are still strong. But if you get caught off guard then things become absolutely horrifying!
Glad your default amount for anything that take some time is also 5 years like me
Hey it's the 28th. That [censored] tech is coming out today, right?
Steve: This isn't even my final form"
Calling it right now. The December tech is just brawl meta knight as Steve can now circle hyrule temple using this special elytra cancel
That is the best outro I've ever seen.
Now THIS is E.P.I.C.!
So are you ever gonna finish ranking mii brawler sets :)
This shit is why I don't want Steve banned
Steve is by far one of the coolest and most creative fighting game characters ever
We shouldn't take that away because we'd rather cry and pout instead of learning
Great video explaining the tech while being entertaining.
Might actually learn this tech lol
2:29 - "he will very much still be here"
this aged well :(
He's gone
Still my favorite thing to do as a Steve main is the dumbest, weakest thing possible: Camp in the corner and mine with an easily avoidable TNT trap. Specifically because if I manage to land a hit with it it's fucking hilarious.
Can’t wait for the new Steve tech that lets him summon Rathalos
That initial dash stuff was extremely helpful :)
Steve is starting to feel like the America's MinMin. In both the rates department and how he feels like a slightly overtone counterpick character (btw this a comparison to pre-patch Min-Min)