The AWFUL Game Design of Vanilla Smash Ultimate! (Exploring 1.0.0)

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ม.ค. 2021
  • Let's return once more to the strange world of 1.0.0 Smash Ultimate... where some of the worst balanced moves in Smash history existed in their full glory! I've hand-selected some of the most wonderful & disgusting examples to show to you today, so enjoy...!
    Music:
    Grim Fandango OST - 01 - Casino Calavera
    Grim Fandango OST - 25 - Lost Soul's Alliance
    FTL Soundtrack - Space Cruiser (Title)
    Like half of the soundtrack of the 2014 Transport Tycoon remaster (seriously, all the songs are bangers for no reason whatsoever.)
    Also the theme from the original Transport Tycoon!
    Follow me on Twitter: / wdbthtgp
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  • @Sjono
    @Sjono 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1091

    Wish they’d release a patch where changing your costumes doesn’t take decades of loading

    • @eaa1338
      @eaa1338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      There should be more changes like more music to choose from when you want to change the menu music, more options in training mode (DI, SDI, buffering moves when in hitstun or shieldstun, a toggle for hazards off in training mode) and a toggle for hazards off in regular smash.

    • @dianauwu1312
      @dianauwu1312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      @@eaa1338 rollback netcode

    • @eaa1338
      @eaa1338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dianauwu1312 that too but I think that they would never do that but yeah they could improve the online so we don’t have that much input delay.
      There are more changes I want in this game like the option to choose which stage hazards you want for that specific stage (for example if I want to play to play on hazards on yoshi’s story with the cloud and without the shy guys then I can just disable the shy guys and play on this stage with the cloud) and a new mode volleyball mode in melee.

    • @dianauwu1312
      @dianauwu1312 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@eaa1338 I think rollback would have a a much bigger effect on the health of the game, and there is no excuse for them not to do it.

    • @eaa1338
      @eaa1338 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dianauwu1312 same I also think that rollback would help but the thing is that it would cost a lot of time and money and I don’t think that they would do this but I hope that I get proven wrong and that they will put it in.

  • @LAXsomeguy
    @LAXsomeguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2254

    "People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves"
    *melee jigglypuff sweats nervously*

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +504

      C L U T C H B O X

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      We get it

    • @clipboard_guy
      @clipboard_guy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      But if you miss rest you usually die

    • @bigpapamanman1550
      @bigpapamanman1550 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

      @@clipboard_guy To be fair same with chrom's up b

    • @yuvibitter
      @yuvibitter 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      To be fair that's almost every character in melee

  • @starpetalarts6668
    @starpetalarts6668 3 ปีที่แล้ว +798

    Vanilla Chrom really made the getting meteor smashes on level 9 cpu challenge rather easy.

    • @Vio-Latta
      @Vio-Latta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I just made a custom stage

    • @niksooxyz
      @niksooxyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I wish I knew that... I just used pichu on FD with four other level 1 cpus

    • @oogabooga8333
      @oogabooga8333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Tbh I was waiting for alf

    • @DBE_TheZek
      @DBE_TheZek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      What is the lvl 9 CPU challenge? I’m curious, it would be nice to get some challenge out of the computers.

    • @Vio-Latta
      @Vio-Latta 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@DBE_TheZek its an in game achievement in the vault section

  • @imESAM
    @imESAM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1933

    omg i made it int he video

    • @LGSweets
      @LGSweets 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      cmon man

    • @tang620
      @tang620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      dude after this cameo you're gonna be, like, famous bro

    • @NOHAYJALE900
      @NOHAYJALE900 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Ok bald head

    • @konajohnson6182
      @konajohnson6182 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      First the world record and now making an appearance on this video. Your going places Eric!

    • @soulmuncher.
      @soulmuncher. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      youre still bald tho

  • @Moss_Dude
    @Moss_Dude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1568

    Thank god patches exist now

    • @treykincy
      @treykincy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Is that a Boltreaver Astalos from Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch I see in your profile pic?👀

    • @Moss_Dude
      @Moss_Dude 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@treykincy Yeeeeeees it is ;p

    • @etaquince5220
      @etaquince5220 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@treykincy its a mega charizard

    • @oivariini7
      @oivariini7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      And whazam! They're gone.

    • @ducktail4068
      @ducktail4068 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They have always existed for games and smash since 4

  • @jimiyu.
    @jimiyu. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1657

    "People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves"
    smash 4: _laughter_
    edit: this man really just went to my profile so he could comment "trash" under my piano stuff
    edit 2: electric boogaloo: he did it again

    • @daythenite5683
      @daythenite5683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

      yea that was pretty much every character

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      That was a great game

    • @MistaMasta420
      @MistaMasta420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      For glory bayo's still haunts my dreams, the side b into b⬅️b↕️b↩️b⤵️b↙️b⬆️b➡️b⬇️b🔄b🔃b✅b🔝 to kill

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MistaMasta420 Bayonetta*

    • @quinntessentialskill7414
      @quinntessentialskill7414 3 ปีที่แล้ว +102

      @@AGZhark What... exactly are you correcting? Bayo is short for bayonetta.

  • @omlett6482
    @omlett6482 3 ปีที่แล้ว +497

    "People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves"
    Yeah, i'm glad Wario got hit with the nerf hammer as well, waft is just so insanely strong coupled with his kit and...
    wait...
    Edit: Damn, this aged decently well, i suppose

    • @mr.mcklockwork3828
      @mr.mcklockwork3828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I think waft is fine, you get 2-3 uses max, have to combo into it, and Wario has an otherwise trash moveset without it. I think thats balanced

    • @omlett6482
      @omlett6482 3 ปีที่แล้ว +120

      @@mr.mcklockwork3828 i really hope that's sarcasm

    • @AverageHandle_
      @AverageHandle_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@omlett6482 same

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +167

      It was crazy, almost like a final smash you could use whenever you wanted. Thankfully patch 18.0.0 in May 2023 changed it so he farts immediately as soon as he reaches max charge.

    • @AverageHandle_
      @AverageHandle_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WhyDo nice change of them

  • @jeredgibb5064
    @jeredgibb5064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +423

    Void's pichu was legendary but most of his kills were ftilt by ledge

    • @vivelespatat2670
      @vivelespatat2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      So that's not legendary.

    • @vivelespatat2670
      @vivelespatat2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      So that's not legendary.

    • @restless276
      @restless276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@vivelespatat2670 I mean there’s like a hundred other things other than kills to be legendary at

    • @Drawn_Together_Lover
      @Drawn_Together_Lover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@restless276 Combos!

    • @restless276
      @restless276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @1998SIMOMEGA I never said combos but ok

  • @JugularJohn
    @JugularJohn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +262

    Blue Mario was so broken he was taken off before vanilla smash even existed. They had to shut him down in the beta version of smash ultimate.

    • @DH571
      @DH571 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I don’t get this

    • @supremechaosbeing2696
      @supremechaosbeing2696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah me neither

    • @salj.5459
      @salj.5459 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      DH 18:14

    • @captainpep3
      @captainpep3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DH571 waluigi, not sure why they called him blue Mario though

    • @legoboy7107
      @legoboy7107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Blue Mario makes me think you're talking about SMG4, lol. I'd say Waluigi's more Purple Mario.

  • @nesswednesday2976
    @nesswednesday2976 3 ปีที่แล้ว +599

    "We never have to deal with any of these horrible things ever again."
    Me: Tries to stay quiet because they like a day 1 0-death combo that's been untouched.

    • @BunnyOnASnuman
      @BunnyOnASnuman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Which one?

    • @cryingrat8574
      @cryingrat8574 3 ปีที่แล้ว +250

      @Phyrion Aurum probs sheik I've been in a sheik combo for about 3 days now I'm at 40 atm

    • @bennygold1204
      @bennygold1204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      ROB gang

    • @larrycap2946
      @larrycap2946 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@cryingrat8574 lmao

    • @issacsantana6419
      @issacsantana6419 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Luigi? They tried and failed to remove that lol. If you're talking about R.O.B., he has about 40 different variants of a 0-death

  • @greenlink445
    @greenlink445 3 ปีที่แล้ว +614

    Cue comments asking for every mii brawler combination part 2

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +140

      At this point I've made over half of the videos on my channel while procrastinating Part 2 😭

    • @tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688
      @tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      @@WhyDo PLEASE PART 2, tho keep up the content, it's really high quality

    • @corn8837
      @corn8837 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@WhyDo please do it, ik it’s a nightmare to put together though so it’s okay if you don’t lol

    • @MercuryA2000
      @MercuryA2000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WhyDo mood.

    • @Mama_Peach
      @Mama_Peach 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WhyDo take your time and look after yourself dude, procrastination is a pain but your content is all really enjoyable and really teaches me a lot of smash stuff i had no idea about. Tldr love your content man, you got this

  • @TheNegationist
    @TheNegationist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +500

    "I just... don't think that in any fighting game, you should be able to make comebacks that quickly and just, steal the game."
    A Smash 4 veteran I see

    • @laytonjr6601
      @laytonjr6601 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Hungrybox playing Melee Jiglypuff disagres

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@laytonjr6601 ?

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. I am

    • @marcosausinmoreno8333
      @marcosausinmoreno8333 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@AGZhark What do you mean “?"

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@marcosausinmoreno8333 I was making a joke on how I’m a Smash Bros WiiU/3DS veteran, (and Brawl), even though I just got the first one a few months ago.

  • @toxicastigator
    @toxicastigator 3 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    It’s rough around the edges, and thank fucking god that patches exist, but I have so much appreciation and nostalgia for the early days of Ultimate.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      For sure. Especially those early locals, when there was no meta and we were figuring everything out... going to the diner post-tournament at 4AM and trash talking/arguing over which characters were good, in the absence of ANY data... someone showing you some CRAZY tech they found, recorded with a shaky phone cam. First few months of Ultimate were pretty magical, and I'm even more nostalgic for them now that I'm stuck inside all the time!

    • @runaway74
      @runaway74 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@WhyDo haha, it's like having my memories written out to me. Couldn't have said it better myself

    • @brezilianpope
      @brezilianpope 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The hype was so real when ultimate just came out

  • @D3ATH2GL0RY
    @D3ATH2GL0RY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    3:14 Fun Fact, It still works on certain characters, especially Bowsers. I should know as I am one of the rare Duck Hunt mains. Unfortunately ever since the patch our lives have been a nightmare and life is pain.

    • @ElderPrinceShroob
      @ElderPrinceShroob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      BiteVictim 1993 I agree

    • @johanklaver3237
      @johanklaver3237 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait really?
      Now I wanna try it!
      (I also main Duck Hunt 😄)

    • @nitronikolai
      @nitronikolai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You deserve it for maining Duck Hunt.

    • @D3ATH2GL0RY
      @D3ATH2GL0RY 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@nitronikolai I just wanted to play the funny Dog and Duck ;-;

    • @rang4889
      @rang4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Our lives are not pain side b to back air is true kill confirm, side b side b down air down air is true and kills. Side b side b up air is true. Its honestly not that bad compared to smash 4 duck hunt. Ive been playing him for like 3 years now

  • @MrskipperCP
    @MrskipperCP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Even though Samus can still be frustrating to fight against online, In glad we don’t have to deal with charge shot breaking shields anymore

    • @jj6148
      @jj6148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Down B into Charge shot still breaks full shields lol. Thankfully it doesn’t do as much damage.

    • @MrskipperCP
      @MrskipperCP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@jj6148 true, but at least that requires some conditioning to an extent as a posed to just pressing one button. On a side note, that looks sick when it does happen and can lead into a down b, down air spike near the ledge if they’re at the right percentage

    • @skyslasher2297
      @skyslasher2297 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It could break shields I missed out

    • @jj6148
      @jj6148 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @1998SIMOMEGA I said Down B into charge shot. Th e charge shot itself doesn’t do as much shield damage as it used to. It won’t break your shield if down b doesn’t connect or if it’s above around half health.

    • @Bladieblah
      @Bladieblah ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrskipperCPIt didn't break shields in one go. Roy's shield didn't fully recover and he held it for almost a full second before the charge shot connected.
      The much bigger change to projectiles he didn't go over was how they all inflicted less shield stun/hitlag as a result of this nerf to shield damage. That was the real nerf, it made projectile zoning in neutral a lot weaker

  • @skytterbrain_
    @skytterbrain_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    For those who don't think much of early Chrom up b lemme put it this way:
    You know how you have to approach Wario with Waft like you're a stock behind?
    You have to play against vanilla Chrom with the same mindset.
    Oh and he starts with and never loses his 'Waft'.

    • @Mepphy99
      @Mepphy99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      When Will Waft be nerfed tho?

    • @skytterbrain_
      @skytterbrain_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Never.

    • @RA1S0R
      @RA1S0R 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Hard disagree. Chromicide (out of nair or fair) does not work past 15% unless you are playing a super heavy like dk or bowser. Plus it does not work if you have stage control against Chrom which should not be hard if you are at low %. Yes Chrom can yolo up B off stage but he dies if he misses.

    • @skytterbrain_
      @skytterbrain_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@RA1S0R fair point lol, kind of a vague comparison on my end but my general point is you can't overextend against Chrom even at low (0) percent.

    • @Mepphy99
      @Mepphy99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@skytterbrain_ that's stupid

  • @GoonCommander
    @GoonCommander 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    I thought the start was gonna be about bad AI, and was ready to retaliate with the fact that I had a level 9 Marth CPU hit me offstage, run to the other ledge, fall, and up but not make it back, all 3 stocks in a match.

    • @GoonCommander
      @GoonCommander 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @1998SIMOMEGA that's why I was confused, I thought he was gonna say that.
      But guess what, just last night I was fighting a Pit CPU on the Sky world stage, he was getting bopped around and not teching, and after he went from like 30-120 and ended up outside the middle area, HE FUCKING USED BOTH DOUBLE JUMPS TOWARD THE BLAST ZONE AND UP B'D TO HIS DEATH LAST STOCK!
      I know it was because the moving platform was coming into the screen and he missed its ledge but geez

    • @deoxysandmew2162
      @deoxysandmew2162 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@GoonCommander Fun Fact, Jam.
      I've had loads of experience with Lv.9's in this game and I can assure you that the CPUs have tendency to do something I call it: "Suicidal DI".
      Its a DI where they legit give up and end the match, if you overwhelm them enough.
      I've had that to happen way too many times to count and in some instances, actually yesterday, I've had an Lv.9 to just not use a recovery on their last stock while I 3 stocked them and it was ISABELLE of all characters.

  • @johnpinto8299
    @johnpinto8299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    remember when chrom had the wrong victory theme

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I didn't even notice this or have any idea about it, gave me a good laugh so thank you! They really just forgot LOL

    • @soni-switch5270
      @soni-switch5270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think you mean the right victory theme. As a Chrom secondary, the old one was so much better than the Awakening one.

    • @toluolomolaiye6433
      @toluolomolaiye6433 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@soni-switch5270 no the wrong one. I also prefer the normal fire emblem theme overall but Chrom is an awakening character so most (me included) prefer his current one as it actually represents the game he’s from

    • @encrylix9092
      @encrylix9092 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup lmaoooo

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@soni-switch5270 wrong

  • @Choochinc
    @Choochinc 3 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    They removed characters' ability to break full shields with 2 hit projectile combos, but then they gave Sephiroth a frame 21 down smash that breaks anything except a completely full shield. At least Byleth's down B is frame 62 and Peach pulling a Mr. Saturn is extremely rare.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

      Sephiroth's downsmash definitely has 1.0.0 energy

    • @vivelespatat2670
      @vivelespatat2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Ganondorf : hey you guys talking about shield breaking ?

    • @TopOfAllWorlds
      @TopOfAllWorlds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@vivelespatat2670 Not the same thing all his smash and sheild breaking moves are like frame 50 lol

    • @AnthanKrufix
      @AnthanKrufix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      That requires the triplehit sweetspot to do that sort of shield damage. If you don't get the stab, the floor impact, and also the dust projectile it doesn't break shield even after they block 3 side-b orbs. And honestly at that point it's more likely to shieldpoke instead of break.

    • @killerbug05
      @killerbug05 ปีที่แล้ว

      At least sephiroth can't do down smash cross map even tho it feels like it sometimes 😭

  • @PokefreakofBACON
    @PokefreakofBACON 3 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    when you mentioned shield stun i was already anticipating you to not talk about mii gunner even though she was so busted with it, and then i remembered this is a good channel and you dont ignore mii fighters for no reason

    • @PokefreakofBACON
      @PokefreakofBACON 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      breaking shields with the missile/charge shot combo was so fuckin fun back in the day

    • @legoboy7107
      @legoboy7107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@PokefreakofBACON Sans be like.

    • @PokefreakofBACON
      @PokefreakofBACON 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@legoboy7107 sans mii costume wasnt in the game when this was possible. also i dont use the sans mii costume at all

  • @Mr_Deedeedoo
    @Mr_Deedeedoo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    never forget olimar with the akuma spirit and how the pikmin did literal broken percents

  • @hugeculo
    @hugeculo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    “A character shouldn’t have a comeback so easy” (about Chrom)
    *Wario mains*: “right, so bad”:

    • @theiceman4494
      @theiceman4494 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Hero: starts whistling nervously

    • @Latias38
      @Latias38 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@theiceman4494 Sephiroth: I'll never be a memory

    • @lugismansion2400
      @lugismansion2400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ike mains, “are you sure about that?”

    • @orangenostril
      @orangenostril 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Half the characters in ultimate have op comeback mechanics lol
      I feel like that was one of the center design points when they made the game

    • @inplane9970
      @inplane9970 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What makes the statement even more ironic is how they showed a clip of Wario v. Chrom, displaying Wario's revolting edge-guard options that involves 2 button sequences.

  • @thought1020
    @thought1020 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The 6 dislikes are the 6 clay pigeons used in a duck hunt combo :\

    • @AGZhark
      @AGZhark 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ...

  • @dbgr9875
    @dbgr9875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +106

    This is mega broke, but I'd still love to see a Marvel v Capcom 2 style Ultimate mod, where every character gets crazy broken things like this. Just imagine.

    • @EternumTagerMain
      @EternumTagerMain 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      "YO U WANNA LEARN HOW 2 DO A FOCKEN INFINITE?!"

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Yooo just saw this, but this basically exists already. It's called Brawl Minus and I highly recommend you check it out on an emulator sometime... some of the most hilarious & fun character designs in fighting games ever. Everyone is basically Brawl Meta Knight! I should actually make a video on it soon since I've spent so much time playing it with friends!

    • @kestrel7493
      @kestrel7493 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@WhyDo I just looked it up and it seems really fun! It's funny though that in a mod aiming to make everyone broken, metaknight still got nerfed

  • @corbinator250
    @corbinator250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    More noticings about the PS2 blue screen thingy:
    -At 18:16, Charizard's flame breath is actually blue, you can see it in the bottom left corner.
    -At 18:19, Squirtle is hella weird looking and it looks like his colors are inverted.
    -At 20:49 when Ivysaur is throwing his razor leaf, it looks much more blue than green, and the trail following it is also more blue.
    -At 20:53, Ivysaur looks green with a purple back bulb, and the explosion from the down air is blue.
    -At 21:36, the Pokémon Trainer has a blue outfit on as well as his pokeball being blue.
    -Whenever the screen is showing, the audience in the back is normally blue but in the screen they are red.
    -Literally everything blue is red and everything that is red is blue.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I am so perplexed by this bug... very curious what could be causing it now!

    • @corbinator250
      @corbinator250 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WhyDo me too, I wonder if anyone else noticed it pre patch, I would love to explore it more.

    • @burn7391
      @burn7391 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@WhyDo it's likely an emulation issue

    • @craftyawesome6830
      @craftyawesome6830 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "BGRA color issues when using OpenGL" issue #3581
      Still open, but reported as fixed end of November.

    • @Ecl1psed276
      @Ecl1psed276 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It looks like the red and blue values of each pixel are swapped (so they interpret RGB as BGR or vice versa). Idk why that would happen.

  • @axaturdoor7553
    @axaturdoor7553 3 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Man, I wished there was a period where people complained about Mii Gunner being broken but it’s reasonable that they weren’t since they were underplayed in Ultimate.
    Still, at least I was there for Mii Gunner while the pre-patches lasted. R.I.P. missile and charge shot shield breaks. You’ve carried me in the most broken of Ultimate.

    • @impossiblehanley2732
      @impossiblehanley2732 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I wish there was a universe where in a point people complained how broken was little mac :(

    • @legoboy7107
      @legoboy7107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Underplayed...until Sans.

  • @rainboroad
    @rainboroad 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    things i feel are worth a mention:
    lucina’s foward air launching further
    lucina’s vanilla F smash
    palutena’s vanilla neutral air
    palutena’s vanilla down throw
    peach’s vanilla forward air (sweetspot especially)
    peach’s vanilla side-b
    peach’s vanilla down-b (it was 5 frames faster i think)
    marth’s vanilla tippers (they were awful, this would be his up air, forward air and back air that got buffed in present day)
    wolf’s vanilla down smash
    shulk’s vanilla shield monado
    vanilla ken and ryu, they had SO MANY things that never used to link together
    vanilla game and watch’s bucket glitch
    Ike’s vanilla neutral air

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 3 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Whydo just became Whydont

  • @wollins7244
    @wollins7244 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Kazuya and Steve making everything you said about Chrom and Ivysaur HILARIOUS. Literally the pinnacle of dog shit game design

  • @sammied7983
    @sammied7983 3 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    I’m really hoping that these videos will eventually talk about 3.1.0 brawler changes

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      For sure! After I finish covering the major 1.0.0 jank, I'd like to talk about some characters that got buffed a ton!

    • @PrettyKoolCrocodile
      @PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WhyDo I think I'm gonna know one of them

  • @camusreviews6877
    @camusreviews6877 3 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    Chrom can still do this, it just doesn’t consistently kill the opponent first. If you’re up a stock it’s just as good. You could be at 100% and your opponent at 0% but one hit and Chrom can kill you both.

    • @TopOfAllWorlds
      @TopOfAllWorlds 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Yeah... he shows that in the video. Like he litterally says this.

    • @dmitrisemenoff6455
      @dmitrisemenoff6455 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @1998SIMOMEGA he says that chrom can still trade a stock but not outright win the game freely with it

  • @jakebriggs3478
    @jakebriggs3478 3 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    So this is gonna be a series? If so, I’m super excited. These videos are so cool, getting to go back and look at the previous states of the game. Great work!

  • @hoboayoyo
    @hoboayoyo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Cool video. Some thoughts.
    I don’t think the “game design” is bad, there were just some oversights on a few fringe cases on a few moves.
    Recovery on projectile move being advantageous to the user makes sense in most case, the attacker isn’t the focus of the attack so they can move quicker.
    I think the idea for large block stun on projectiles to to emphasize other options besides shields to stop the opponents projectiles. I’m not sure why shield damage is so high in some projectiles though.

  • @myntchyp8844
    @myntchyp8844 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Thank you for another exciting and entertaining video, content creator Why Do (The shortened version of WDBTHtGP, or Why Do Bad Things Happen to Good People) I will look forward to your next video on the video game Super Smash Bros Ultimate for the Nintendo Switch!

  • @TheBestPikachuFan
    @TheBestPikachuFan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +99

    I can tell you're not very informed on DH as someone who mains him. Though I can't blame anyone for that lol.
    Pigeon strings are very much still a thing, they just don't last nearly as long. But on heavies 3-4 pigeons in a row is still very likely. 2-3 on everyone else.
    As for damaging combos a good DH can manage 50+ in one true combo.
    As for killing, DH actually has several options. Every aerial can kill except fair, down angled ftilt is his most reliable grounded kill move besides smash attacks, and the smash attacks themselves are fairly strong if you consider how much KB and damage they do.
    Nevertheless, this isn't meant to be "DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!!!!" comment. Just some pointers on the character. Believe me, the pigeon nerf was very much needed loooool.
    Nice and humorous video~

    • @rang4889
      @rang4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lol i main duck hunt too do u have a discord? Also it seems like everyone forgets about his true side b short hop side b down air confirm at ledge. Plus side b to back air is a pretty reliable kill option as well. He also has a double damage glitch which is busted th-cam.com/video/Xu0QKuHMVJ0/w-d-xo.html . Although it will probably get patched. The only thing holding him back is that a lot of hit kill options are very situational/ involving a setup. I mean u know its bad when someone can di a double pummel grab into back throw can at 130% and still survive

    • @TheBestPikachuFan
      @TheBestPikachuFan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@rang4889 Are you in the Duck Hunt Discord?

    • @rang4889
      @rang4889 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheBestPikachuFan wait, theres a duck hunt discord? Send me the link my discord darknessrang#0256

    • @TheBestPikachuFan
      @TheBestPikachuFan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rang4889 Alright cool!

    • @jeffjeff2181
      @jeffjeff2181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rang4889 Late to the party but also a Duck Hunt main. I find this kill window very frustrating. I almost find myself fishing for setups as to not get the opponents damage too high where the stock turns into a how many times does he hit can until he dies lmao. I will say though in situations where they have can read out up air or up smash work wonders.

  • @bloodydoll5897
    @bloodydoll5897 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I like the motion blur on samus jumps. i think it looks pretty and reminds me of how it works in metroid :3

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Never noticed this before! It does look pretty cool

  • @calibvr
    @calibvr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The block damage looks cursed even though I have had the game since day 1

  • @moki4895
    @moki4895 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    2:35 Melee Jigglypuff be like: 😬

  • @Drawn_Together_Lover
    @Drawn_Together_Lover 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I didn't know back then when Duck Hunt had a broken combo. Now I do. Kudos to the video here for showing me.

  • @tyfive99
    @tyfive99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "You have to use all your Pokemon and really choose your decisions wisely"
    _Me, solely using Charizard 80% of the time:_ hmmmm yes yes I totally agree

  • @tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688
    @tomasestebanrojaslaluz1688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Lets not forget 1.0.0 King K Rool could just yeet you out of frame using up b :/

  • @adamkampen
    @adamkampen ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My favourite vanilla prepatch thing will always be Wectoring, not nearly as oppressive or useful as the things mentioned in the video bit it was so silly and I loved seeing Wario get shot across the screen with sudden momentum

  • @porygonlover322
    @porygonlover322 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Talking with my friend who mains Gunner and she did point out that they kinda overcompensated their shield damage nerfs, being able to beat shields (but not aggressive options) used to be like core to their design and now they're terrible at that compared to even other zoners

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Charge Shot is way less safe on shield than Samus's, but overall I think hitting shields is overall pretty good for gunner, as someone who uses the character in tournament for several matchups. I should cover this in a video soon, but basically the key is travel time. The longer a projectile is out, the longer your frame advantage is... so you want to do them at positions/timings that are as safe as possible, without being too reactable. Fair can be as safe as like +5 on block at max range, while it's a solid -1 point blank. That fullhop shieldbreak setup I showed off in this video? It's still a guaranteed grab - +6 or even better - if you do it right... missiles can be made positive at reasonable ranges too. Gunner also has an upthrow that does 16.3% to beat shields! Overall I think the character is still a really good zoner at dealing with that option.

    • @VideoCentral-bh9tf
      @VideoCentral-bh9tf 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WhyDo I believe at roll distance super missile is +5. Also something to mention, grenade is over +10 on the ground, but since you can use arieal drift, you do it in the air and with drift get like +23 or something rediculas like that. Also, am I a bad person for missing 1.0.0 gunner?

  • @justas423
    @justas423 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    With a game with as many characters as Smash, work for the balance team must be a fucking nightmare. Nerf or Buff one things, ten other things show up that break the Meta.

  • @thundercharged1
    @thundercharged1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    At least Meta Knight's ladder is moderately difficult to pull off in a match

  • @francoisturcotte3982
    @francoisturcotte3982 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A move I miss from vanila Ult was mew2 dash attack. It was safe on shield and cross up opponent....sweet lol

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      wtf, I've never heard of this before. Such a random change to a character they later buffed... I'm just confused LOL. Thanks for the comment, def gonna mention this in a future video.

    • @francoisturcotte3982
      @francoisturcotte3982 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WhyDo don't quote me on that but i think it was even a combo starter because of the angle ot launched or maybe it killed earlier. Anywag wort labbing and checking what changed exactly. Looking forward to see this!

  • @Yaliso
    @Yaliso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    10:30 Ah memories. I remember breaking lots of shields with that and overall pissing off my friends with my miis

  • @Dragon-eu8cb
    @Dragon-eu8cb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You're a great youtuber, like that this is becoming a series. Also good to see blue Mario is still going strong.

  • @michaelvisosky743
    @michaelvisosky743 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I feel like by technicality this is all horrible game balance as opposed to horrible game design, but I digress.

  • @Tonjit41
    @Tonjit41 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great content. I love this stuff.
    You should talk about some of the old glitches that existed like the DDD face glitch, the isabelle assist trophy insanity, G&W bucket walk, the G&W up air through Yoshi's Island.

  • @AleXCD74
    @AleXCD74 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "I just don't think that in any fighting game you should be able to make comebacks that quickly and just steal the game"
    Capcom: *laughs in V trigger*

  • @mythoughtsexactly2145
    @mythoughtsexactly2145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know what I miss most about early Ultimate? The brutal CPUs. I hate and love them

  • @lucaslennan3356
    @lucaslennan3356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When you played against Chrom you played with one less stock than him.

  • @guestb8389
    @guestb8389 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Pre-Patch Mii Gunner feels like Melee Fox. He still has his flaws, but he has a broken mechanic or tech that still breaks the game.

  • @DangOlZane
    @DangOlZane 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "don't get me wrong, I play Mii Brawler" might be one of my favorite sentences I've ever heard.

  • @ZxybzzYT
    @ZxybzzYT 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've been binge watching your videos and I really enjoy your content. You've got a new sub

  • @landonharris7480
    @landonharris7480 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    WhyDo upload let's freaking GO

  • @prblmsideb2511
    @prblmsideb2511 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Please do the robble wobble, iirc it was dtilt, jab 1, repeat. I was never able to do it because I picked up rob to late lmao

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      YOOOO I forgot about the Robble!!! I think that specifically worked on only one version, I'll try to get it working because it's hilarious

  • @TwitchVO
    @TwitchVO ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Funny enough (I was the one who found this out a long time ago) Duck Hunt's sideb was technically an infinite because you could switch sides with it and continue looping it until uair would kill around 120, where even K.Rool would die near the ceiling. It worked on every character. They nerfed it the very next patch, just like reticle duplication. They still never fixed his self-harmful bugs and even made fsmash worse when they tried to 'fix' it. Char is a beautiful mess.

  • @AndresinReal
    @AndresinReal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    12:06 don't you mean rock, paper, scissors, laser gun?
    They need to nerf the laser gun, it even beats it self. Amazing I know, somehow I never win one in that game.

  • @alicedual-swordlesbian5251
    @alicedual-swordlesbian5251 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    19:14 i just want you to know that right after you said “instant death!” my youtube app crashed

  • @echowhosthis
    @echowhosthis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    duck hunt rly said: *“ZA WARUDO”*

  • @adamskvorak6865
    @adamskvorak6865 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *holds shield for 3 seconds* - “boom instant shield break”

  • @aqualacerta3961
    @aqualacerta3961 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:28 so basically: samus was able to do what sephiroth can but it was less broken since you needed to be more precise to get the "pratically fully charged neutral B but not quite fully charged so you get just enough less endlag to do a tilt attack and break a shield" and she doesn't have any 0-death move to use after the shieldbreak either

  • @spoopyskeleton2010
    @spoopyskeleton2010 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dear diary, today I learned what a clay pigeon is

  • @takarijbartleby
    @takarijbartleby 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would you cover vanilla glitches or lab to see if glitches from future patches exist in the vanilla build? Shulk in vanilla Ult had a glitch where if his Monado Arts deactivated during a cinematic Final Smash he'd end up with every Art active at once. I also wonder if the Ridley side special T-posing glitch, alongside a plethora of others, will work in 1.0.0.

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The next video is mostly gonna focus on competitive glitches and jank, but it might be fun to go over all the wackiest glitches in general. Some of them are just too funny not to cover!

  • @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote
    @HaydenTheEeeeeeeeevilEukaryote 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    10:11 I like how that tip happened to be the one to pop up as you were describing shield break things

  • @AlexCreed
    @AlexCreed 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can feel the anger and flashbacks every silent pause you make in this video

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    In Sakurai's defense, he puts a lot of work into his games. And those kinds of things would be hard to notice without a lot of high level competitive play to test things out (also, that's what patches are for, to fix unexpected issues).

    • @sigurdtheblue
      @sigurdtheblue ปีที่แล้ว

      Sakurai is probably not why Smash was good.

  • @Swordfish_
    @Swordfish_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I was there when hungry box had had a crab thrown at him during pound 2019, But all I remember from that night was smash ultimate top eight being literally nothing but olimars and snakes.
    Pound 2019 happens the weekend 1.1 came out so they played on the older patch. It was a mistake..

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I knew about both those things individually, but it totally didn't register in my head that they were at the same event. Must've been one hell of a weekend 😂

    • @Swordfish_
      @Swordfish_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@WhyDo That was my first super major and mew2king walked up to us and asked for friendly I was pretty sick weekend 🤟.

  • @notchris4764
    @notchris4764 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just not gonna talk about pichu's hurtboxes.

  • @wollins7244
    @wollins7244 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Turn losing games into wins with 2 moves” Hey kazuya does that too!

  • @H.yeon_su
    @H.yeon_su 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    What if there was a character literally created to gimmick the opponent with a crap ton of shield breaking moves but bad shield break options.

  • @bluprintdhd4569
    @bluprintdhd4569 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Multi Pigeon chains still exists, definitely harder but most of the cast gets hit by 3 at least, and heavies still can be chained across the stage into things like f smash even

    • @jeffjeff2181
      @jeffjeff2181 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      True but it’s much harder now and it’s possible to DI out.

  • @AlquimistEd
    @AlquimistEd ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "People really didn't like playing a character that could turn losing games into wins with 2 moves"
    *Kazuya Mishima, wins*

  • @leveltoo4838
    @leveltoo4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like to think that behind the scenes, Chrom was overexcited about making it into Ultimate after just missing the cut for Smash4, like a gym class tryhard lol

    • @leveltoo4838
      @leveltoo4838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Coming from a former gym class tryhard myself 😬

  • @TheLobsterCopter5000
    @TheLobsterCopter5000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you make one for things that were really bad, remember when Thrust Uppercut didn't kill at all?

  • @x.a.n.a.9397
    @x.a.n.a.9397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    2:38 you clearly haven’t played guilty gear. Lol also I guess this is why chrom was too powerful for the Wiiu to handle lol

    • @Someguy-xu3oy
      @Someguy-xu3oy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No he has not because he calls smash a "fighting" game

  • @exkuhpid
    @exkuhpid 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Oh hey, I recognize that FTL music in the background! Cool touch!

  • @orionthehunter55
    @orionthehunter55 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I see you with the Ben Prunty BGM, Chromatic T Rex kicks ass

  • @Deelo51
    @Deelo51 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ur voice sounds exactly like Nick Robinson’s

  • @kindasomeviews
    @kindasomeviews 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    0:14 Damn i didnt know it had Turbo mode

  • @treatingyourupsetstomach
    @treatingyourupsetstomach 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dude, how come I hear such good music in your videos. First ror2 music and then I heard the FTL title theme

  • @LARAUJO_0
    @LARAUJO_0 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20:42 "Aerial knockback" and "use it in the air" can specify knockback given to airborne opponents and the aerial form of up-B respectively, unless there actually isn't a difference in which case nevermind

  • @InvolvedWithFire
    @InvolvedWithFire 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Not complaining about the length of the video or anything but maybe stick to a script for a bit of brevity next time.

  • @babster6856
    @babster6856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    your content is good

  • @tlk777
    @tlk777 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This video seems to imply that these combos were intended and left in on purpose. I wouldn't call it "bad game design", because the players discover something a bit too good.

  • @meta527II
    @meta527II ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My biggest problem was how they traded 5 modes for a terrible excuse of a story mode that only has ONE proper cutscene and way too much filler.

    • @sigurdtheblue
      @sigurdtheblue ปีที่แล้ว

      I think it is a great mode, but it should have been offset by something where there was not so much emphasis on unnatural gameplay and instead using the characters as they were meant to be so people had a better introduction to proper gameplay.

  • @Sonickidd217
    @Sonickidd217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    i see nothing wrong with the problems u have stated

    • @joshford256
      @joshford256 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This video has been out for 2 minutes. It's a 20 minute vid...

    • @Sonickidd217
      @Sonickidd217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@joshford256 my point still stands

  • @adrianalejandrotovarescami2551
    @adrianalejandrotovarescami2551 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should talk about of characters with buries, in vanilla they were eternal, king k rool and inkling being the best at taking that advantange

  • @squid-boy4178
    @squid-boy4178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:06 I'm actually so good at casual duck hunt that my friends have banned me from playing him multiple times
    and it's from using exactly that

  • @ShanoaSSB
    @ShanoaSSB 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those Clay Pigeon > Clay Pigeon combos still exist and I think they have been around since Smash 4

  • @PrettyKoolCrocodile
    @PrettyKoolCrocodile 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Here's the most terrible design choices incorporated into a newcomer in my opinion, King K. Rool involving his crown.
    It as a move makes sense and follows it's past outings, but making the crown to be able to be picked up by opponents is not canon to the series at all and just hurts an already flawed character from his design alone, the pickup animation is also funny but not canon and another flaw hurting the character by adding lag from doing so. I wish they were removed or not things in his kit before release, if I were to balance them without removing them entirely, I'd make one throw of his Crown immediately makes it return to KKR from a hit or not without lag, the pickup animation should be cancellable on frame 1, imagine a crown slide pivot cancelled Side Tilt, mad distance he can go. Maybe Belly Armor should not make KKR suffer a shield break but prevent him from using it after a stock? I don't think his armor badly designed as it is needed to make his moves funny like Down Smash, imagine that without its armor. Also v1 of Ult was something else.

  • @elijahyes3110
    @elijahyes3110 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Dedede got nerfed :(

    • @elijahyes3110
      @elijahyes3110 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea the physics changes made a lot of the gordo combos just not work

    • @peluquin98
      @peluquin98 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I remember being happy when i played him in this game for the first moments.
      Then patches came in and he got way to deep in the barrel.

  • @ochako_gaming
    @ochako_gaming ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't think Vanilla Chrom was bad game design, just classic Chrom shenanigans

  • @itsnemako
    @itsnemako 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    man I love the FTL music you throw in sometimes

  • @snailplshavemykids
    @snailplshavemykids 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When sakurai pours his heart and soul into a game to turn around and have people like this call it bad

    • @WhyDo
      @WhyDo  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's my favorite game of all time. Doesn't mean Chrom's vanilla upB wasn't a war crime 😂

  • @Sugarist0
    @Sugarist0 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Honestly, Luigi’s 0 to death basically defined this character, no way in hell is this one of the worst thing smash had
    (Looks at rob down tilt)

  • @mohamedbelbaali659
    @mohamedbelbaali659 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Man I love your music taste

  • @DiarrheaBubbles
    @DiarrheaBubbles 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Let's Say, Hypothetically, Luigi grabs you at 0%