Double Shield Cancelling (DSC) - Universal Ultimate Tech
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ส.ค. 2024
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Update: I forgot that @GraceAndGlorySmash taught me that SH Macro cancel's grounded Up-B! Go subscribe to him, he makes really good Smash content!
Techmas Day 1 is here! Double Shield Cancelling is Smash Ultimate tech that allows you to buffer jump oos. If you the Macros I came up with, you can also buffer IDJ aerials out of shield as well as frame 1 aerial up-b OOS (with out letting go of the shield buttons). It also allows you to do frame 1 aerial item tosses out of shield. In this video I also go over Full Hop IDJ vs. Short Hop IDJ!
Main Edit by Kafonn from @SmashUniversity
Final Edit by GimR
Chapters:
00:00 - Sub to Smash U!
00:12- Tech Preview
01:22- Context
02:08 - Follow Seibrik on Twitter
02:37 - DSC Explained
05:08 - Buffered IDJ Aerials OOS
07:25 - Lucas
08:05 - Buy my merch ty!
08:34 - Buffered Frame 1 Aerial Up-B OOS
11:37 - Buffered instant Aerial Item Toss OOS
12:29 - Full Hop IDJ!
14:08 Turn on Notifications ty!
Corrections:
- Mewtwo Nair on Pika Back Air doesn't work (Although it does work on a LOT of moves SH nair would normally miss on)
- The Sonic clip is true (even though Fox shields in the clip), I just messed up when recording
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i know you probably mentioned what some of the buttons in your examples do..
but it could probably help more if there were words like "special" "jump" "move stick" "attack" "grab" around their respective buttons for better clarity
nice tech tho
If I DSC with the B button instead do the inputs change?
It only took 30 years for a good DK out of shield option and it was on accident
loll
He had this the whole time but Chunky is the one who pushed it lol
@@domthebandit9366i forgot there was a player named that, so for a moment I thought you were referring to Chunky Kong a hypothetical echo fighter who somehow had a good out of shield game. Snapped out of that real quick lol
If this is the first one, bro will litterally reverse the whole tier list in 10 days
Make sure and check the schedule in the community tab LOL. Don't want y'all to think EVERY video is gonna be this long / have this much info in it.
😂😂😂
@@GimR I mean sure but still even then what you released there is pretty big
That's one too many "t"s buddy. No like for you.
Lucas buff goes crazy
Can’t wait to watch the rest of all these videos of new tech I’m never gonna use 😂
Yeah like he lier about last time
this doesnt seem very useful for tap jumpers
@@dylcoll2756 I dunno man, that full hop IDJ looks kinda neat towards the end.
@@wildberry752na all pros slingshot now lol
@@echospace7347 actually no not all
nintendo gonna rise from the grave and patch it after this is over
And just this. Watch.
That's more reach than melee marth
And then buff Steve.
Misplaced hopium. They should, but we all know nintendo at this point
It's never going to be patched away and future GimR’s tech accents Nintendo never patched Steve’s hit stun cancel.
I always feel a little conflicted when watching new tech videos for smash because on one hand, it tends to have little to zero impact on the actual competitive scene despite the potential hype that people may or may not drum up for the tech. On the other hand, regardless of it's impact, practicality and viability i do still just love it when people nerd out on a game and find really small and obscure optimizations. The discovery process and the explanation of how it actually works is often quite interesting. So i tend to watch and enjoy it just for that.
Slingshots ended up having a big impact for sword characters.
Slingshot made Marth much more playable and it also made swordies in general (and Sheik) mad better on stage. This new tech will certainly make the scene grow in skill and complexity in about a few months.
The impact of this tech isn't immediate. Give it a little bit. It won't chant tier lists but it'll change the dynamics & flow of some MUs, if not make for some interesting interaction & exchanges.
Sephiroth improved a lot
Who care if slingshot was actually good. (first most tech are only useful for a handful of characters that welcomes it warmly).
I just look cool doing it. For how much I love nick brawl 2, I can't slingshot there. You know how melee player sometimes don't like ultimate just because they love waved ashing so much. We'll that's me with slingshots. Maybe I just more used to not having my vavorites movement tech in games tjos. Because I can dash jump instant fast fall like in brawlhalla. Literaly slingshot but lower further faster, and you can aerial sing landing don't cancel them. You can also land and dash back instantly. Or gravity cancel a smash in the air. I love movement tech.
Uh Oh. Back to the lab again.
we messed up
Back to the lab again
Not again
Back to the lab again
For a second I thought your pfp was a c4w
Watching the preview and seeing the IDJ out of shield made me immediately think, oooh, this will be GREAT with mewtwo and then seeing that mewtwo clip using it made me smile.
I AM SO HAPPY
I wonder how low to the ground up air will hit using this tech. That could be super busted
That Cfalcon upB is wild. I knew he could do something similar to extend the hitbox further away but this seems so much more consistent. Very cool stuff. I'm excited to see what else is in store.
I’m so scared of the mega drift falcon up b lol
For falcon this tech isnt anything New its called the tokyo drift
Or perhaps this one OS slightly diffrent
Any tech-heavy falcon Mains feel free to correct me
Every cloud player just got nerfed
YES SIR!
Some of the tech doesn’t work for characters that have a zair. Instead of a normal aerial coming out, a zair (typically short hop zair) comes out instead
oh good point! I forgot to mention that!
@@GimRI had thought that the aerial special move stuff out of shield also didn’t work because of zair, but it does, I was just timing it wrong. So just normal aerials out of shield with this method don’t seem to work for characters with zair
6:11 You know he's committed when the house is burning down. Smoke detector doesn't phase him
I just tested it out, so I don't know all the details, but you don't need tap jump to do the full hop idj, you just need to jo a normal jump right after a short jump within a couple frames and you'll get the full hop version of the idj. I could also just be saying something that's already been found out but I figured I'd leave it here just in case.
Your "Within a couple frames" is the thing gimr lives to destroy
yeah that's what idj is, tap jump just makes idj easier. personally I use two fingers on one trigger (ZR) for my idjs; middle finger kind of flicks down past the trigger pressing it and then sliding off the bottom edge, then my index finger lands on the trigger right after. makes idjs really easy and consistent even without being in hitstop or endlag.
tbf it's not really that hard, think Kazuya EWGF - 2 frame window to execute it but it's really not that hard in practice. I get what you mean though.@@Tonjit41
when doing that instant up b, if right before your special comes out you hold a different direction, you can get a different special
Actually massive for lower level players. I'm a couch warrior and casual with no main and went from not being able to IDJ period to being able to consistently IDJ aerial out of shield in about three minutes with no changes to controls (I was already playing with both left shoulder buttons as shield). Quite literally spent four minutes practicing shielding by putting my finger over both left shoulder buttons instead of just one, jumped into a game and hit IDJ Up-Air > Up-B at kill% with Sora while fishing for it first time the Up-Air connected. Great QoL tech for slow hand folks.
find a main. ideally look at the tier list and find an A-S tier character that you like
@@chimmychuckbro said pick a top tier and not someone you like
@@sirtoxic5147 are you messing with me lol
This tech made OOS so much more dangerous for certain characters. I can't wait to see it implemented. Corrin can cover way more range in the front and behind him with Nair. That will be super interesting. IDJ Uair/Nair with Corrin and Marth OOS can also be pretty nice to implement.
marth IDJ fair/bair OoS can also be used as an OoS techchase starter that positions him directly above his opponent so he can punish neutral getup/mis tech/ getup attack with ff dair. Maybe even uair
Bro is started watching u days ago and here you are, this really is the multiverse
Update: I forgot that @GraceAndGlorySmash taught me that SH Macro cancel's grounded Up-B! Wanna give him credit for that. Go subscribe to him, he makes really good Smash content! www.youtube.com/@graceandglorysmash
The fact that a game can still be optimized to such degree 5 years into its life is honestly mind blowing. This series is going to save Ultimate’s competitive scene… or straight up kill it. These will be some interesting two weeks.
All Smash titles continue to develop yonks after release
Which is why Smash 4's meta development ending abruptly will always be sad to me
@@SSJPENGUINBayonetta would always be a broken menace no matter what new tech was discovered. Just looking at her frame data and hitboxes it's almost like they purposely made her broken
Fossil fighters still has a developing competitive meta-don’t be surprised😂
@@SSJPENGUINyonk
@@SSJPENGUIN Smash 4 had so much potential fr. I hope a platform fighter like Smash 4 appears one day
It wasn’t until you showed the DK up B that I realized I’ve been doing this on accident since the game came out. So many characters I was wondering how the hell I managed to start a rising up B from the ground with DK or the Links. Thank you for this
Woah, this is super cool! Great work as always gimz, my Lucas main friend will be excited for this
I hate the buffer in Ultimate but it's very interesting to see all the innovation built around it!
This video just kept on giving! Thanks for the juicy content Gimr, and thank you Smash University editing team!
Hero mains have known about the short hop up B thing for a while, one cool application with frame 1 short hop woosh is that it perfectly places hero on the top platform of battlefield leading to true combos if the opponent gets hit.
Just as a small side point, I believe that this also lets you bypass the damage reduction from short hop attacks while still letting you throw out an aerial at or around that height.
DK can now use his up-B as a reliable burst option now with this tech
Oh no. Ice Climbers are about to get a MAJOR buff from this.
Super informative and awesome! Thanks for the video Mr. Gimr!
I see this being useful for ledge trapping.
I can’t believe we hadn’t thought of this any sooner. The double shield locking out dodges and such has been common knowledge for so long, but nobody just… mashed. Wild. First thought is that this gives Greninja a legitimate oos option, which would be incredibly cool to see.
I actually wasn't aware about the difference in full hop and short hop IDJ, but I probably should have noticed when I was trying to learn ferps tech and using tap-jump always made me land on the platform, but not using tap-jump would make me have to delay my double jump slightly.
I've known about the instant-double jump thing for a long time. I didn't know about the other stuff, but I've always used the double shield to make instant double jumping easier.
FR and JP subtitles are a nice touch, nice work
Out of all competitive games Smash constantly retains the most availability for player identity and expression than any other.
Ok
Giving me, a lowly mk player, some fox counter play is already the best Christmas gift I could ask for
Peach main here; between this tech, short hopping, float cancelling, fast falling and fast fall cancelling, I’m gonna need Fingers Premium.
This is so awesome! I think could be so good.
6:13 that fucking smoke alarm got me to pause and look around lmao
merry Techmas everybody 🎅
That trailer was so fucking awesome for no reason
This is wildly awesome
Thanks for the video.
When this tech was first released, I was hyped for "buffered footstools" out of shield. But then I realized what you said at 3:42 which basically ruined it for me, hits on your shield completely reset the buffer. This combined with how awkward the input is just makes "normal" jump buffering OoS for footstools much better and easier imo. You don't have to hold multiple buttons but for that you have to time the direction input as a little trade-off.
Bro that DK up B gonna bump him up a whole tier. And that Capn Up B range was obnoxious as hell.
Fox's Up B could probably shield smash if you landed all of the hits from the startup. portion
Love it!🎉❤
i love the way he makes eye contact with the camera. its like he really can see me picking my nose while i mouth breathe, slack jawed in my underwear late at night but he has to finish his speech before acknowledging my state of existence.
great now sonic has a projectile combo extension and escape option out of shield all in one! its gonna make his attack options and his escape tactics (even more) broken!
which is have no problem with to be clear
I dont do fancy tech but I watched all of this cause I love high level smash
Im excited to see new tech because Im so new to ultimate. Only had it two months. Anything I learn will be part of my development.
I am curious, what is your main character?
@@elcriadoporlobos7935 Hero is my main. Trying this tech has, I think, at least made nair out of shield faster, and misinputting has made me throw out neutral B midair a few times that seemed pretty fast.
To fulfill roles which he does not, I also am experimenting with Plant, Toon, Isabelle, Inklinng,
HE MADE IDJ’S EASY WHTTT
Nice video gimr!
Nice video!
found out or not i’m happy to have gimr explain it
This is going to be fun with Steve and G&W
ty for saving uli
That lucas looked so smooth❤❤❤
Still getting PTSD from that outro. Beautiful
I just started the video, seeing the Lucas movement at 0:53 is amazing
It’s a consistent rule that whenever a universal movement tech gets discovered, Lucas is usually really good with it.
We (DK) found this out essentially already. R-Jump + C-stick up + Special is perfect. And thats what steve mains were doing already.
This seems low key kinda nutty
@6:10 I put the video on pause because I thought something was going on around me but I guess you had some loud construction around you at the time of recording, that loud backup alarm had me confused for a minute
Can’t wait
I’m so Hyped
Tech so fire the alarm went off 6:20
MONKE OOS OPTION LETS GOOOO OLD SAINT GIMR DELIVERING THIS CHRISTMAS
This is pretty useful is labbed and practiced properly for many characters and its only the first day of tech, sheesh
On the first day of Smashmas what GimR gave to meeeeee
I don't play ultimate anymore, but I'm so happy all this new tech is really good for Sora, I swear by my allegiance, that boy will be a top 10 threat one day.
GiMR has returned! ❤
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yay i can up b reverse oos with little mac consistently now
Just a quick note for any DK players: DK up b is not invincible on startup in this game, it does have arm intangibility but it starts when the hitbox starts, so you usually can press it when people are mashing on you but in some situations you will just straight up lose the trade, but definitely by and large DK's most reliable OoS option on paper, so as long as the character doesn't squish under it, up b OoS will punish -7 or more moves, and can potentailly stuff out followups mashed after moves safer than -7, but mileage may vary
I need to turn PowerA wireless gamecube controllers into phobs. For the reduced input delay of wired usb vs wireless, and the extra shoulder button for the tech. And obviously no snapback.
By the end of the year Ultimate is gonna become Melee 2
DK’s have been exploring aerial up B, but this makes it even faster!!!!!! This is freaking crazy, Chrom and ROB can’t spam my shield anymore 😭 finally
9:21 for frame one ariel up b you can legit just jump and then c-stick up and special during the jump squat so idk about that part. way easier and also better since your left stick is free to move in any direction so you can hold hard left or right and not diagonal up like you say in the vid. rest of the video is cool tho 🥺
Gimr didn't talk about it, but I'm pretty sure his tech allows you to buffer any aerial special out of shield, not just up special. I also do the c stick up tech, but this one only lets you buffer aerial up b and really only works with gamecube controller unless you make a decent amount of changes to your controls (you need to press c stick up and b with only your thumb while clawing jump if you don't change controls). Not super common but there are definitely characters that can benefit from buffered aerial specials out of shield other than up b. idk, ganon side b or smthn
I prefer the Jump > grab > special. method.
@@topisha5829 uhm maybe i misunderstood but for ariel specials outside of up b you can just do it normally, no? like the reason for needing a special series of inputs in order to do a frame one ariel up b is because of how normally, trying to buffer an ariel up b would cancel the jump squat and give you a grounded one. with other specials just buffer it during the jump squat normally and youre good. you are right about how inconvenient having to change controls is tho yeah.
@@gothtearz forgot about that, but I also just realized that it gives a much easier way to short hop special out of shield which is a lot harder with the c stick method or the normal jump special method. (short hop specials hit lower to the ground)
@@simplerabbit2186 omg wtf that is so much easier youre actually cracked
Watch one of the techmas days buff Steve again
I wish Rosa had Steve's attack hitbox on her upb.
You got me at Lucas wavedash
I’m coming back to this game
I had a hard time doing the Up B variant at first, but it's because I had A+B Smash on it seems! I got it first try once I turned it off.
(You probably mentioned it in the video and I just didn't notice, oopsies in that case ^^')
Mah boi Sora getting buffs! This is really solid for doing the ars arcanum tech, IDJ OoS like this makes it so much more consistent and also makes the nair 12 confirms less frame tight and better than the normal short hop macro nair
So hype
So it means that Peach can toss turnips faster?
Makes it easier for her to do it in on shield (So if she slightly mistimes she still gets the right input), as well as doing it immediately out of shield if no one touches it with just a slide of the thumb
Neat stuff but I’m definitely gonna grab while people are practicing this.
very true, it happened to me
Best thing about Gimr vids; he isn't foolish enough to use Adobe Enhanced Speech.
Could this work with zdrops as well? For example, oos ROB zdrop gyro to go straight into a combo oos. (how fast would that be coming out? Might be very good.)
Iirc Sakurai once said he likes hiding advanced mechanics or techniques way back during melee. So I see stuff like this and since this is meant to be the ultimate smash game and I wonder if he knew of stuff like this or was aware that shield locking could lead to stuff like this.
How do you get the instant back air with banjo though??
I'm trying to do it with ridley but didn't get what input it is.
i thought that was my fire alarm
It's going to be so easy to optimize sora now
You gave Donkey Kong Whirling Fortress
Honey new sora tec just dropped 🗣️
Should make a Back to the Lab bomber jacket at some point, probably black. I think that'd be enough to push me over the edge to buy.
lucas wavedash oos is nutty
gimr releasing this to stop spargo from dominating snd raise sonic acola and tweek stocks
As a DK main, I approve of this message
In the lab with paisy rn..
Follow up advice request: recently got a Game Cube style controller, so don’t want to go back to my pro/dual joycon. Since I am adamantly using L for jump and need one more on my buttons, which would you map to a second shield button? And what button sequence would you use?
Right now my R and X are shield with L and Y as jumps.
Ultimate gonna turn into a real little boy in 4 days if the nintendo ninjas dont come out of the woodworks for its life
Imagine smash tournaments when techmas is over, its SO OVER
ok the full hop IDJ thng confused me a bit
why do can you buffer a full hop IDJ with tap jump and how ,but not without it ?
also is it possible to do a full hop IDJ without tapjump ,if you do a specific timing ?