Manufaktur Waldhoff Imperial Black Diamond - Perth WAtch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Reviewing my very first TOURBILLON watch courtesy of Manufaktur Waldhoff, featuring the Hangzhou 3452 co-axial calibre!
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MANUFAKTUR WALDHOFF Imperial Black Diamond (feat. Hangzhou 3452 Co-Axial Tourbillon)
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Lovely piece, the design is amazing and that tourbillon looks amazing. Just wish these were more affordable so I could pick one up haha!
So many watches, so little money :)
They're going for around $1300
Two barrels and a tourbillon; always nice features. And at least their case design is unusual! Can't help but feel that a Sea-Gull might offer better value though
Yeah I do hope to check out a Sea-Gull sometime!
@@PerthWAtch True Sea-gull is more expensive than Manufaktur Waldhoff now
New watch brand for me. Very interesting. Thank you!
Most welcome :)
Not my cup of tea but still an interesting review 👍 thanks Ivan
Most welcome James - thanks!
The dealbreaker is the lack of water resistance. You have to worry about protecting it from the drool of onlookers, as well as people’s tears when they realise they can’t afford it.
Yeah for me it was mainly my own drool I had to worry about.
Hello Aaron, thanks for your feedback. Water resistance is hard to achieve when the stem goes through a sapphire case wall. We would have had to create a steel wall in that area for the stem to go through, but since this is a dress watch, we thought the significant cost increase may not be worth the effort. Cheers
The Chinese Movements aren't my thing. Good review 👍
Thank you :)
This is an interesting watch company, Waldhoff, Made in Germany.I am not really a China made tourbillon watch guy, so I do not think that I will be buying this watch anytime soon.
At $2250, it isn't a cheap watch to invest, but as a tourbillon watch, of course, it is extremely cheap. But it will come down to exclusivity and horology of the watch brand and reputation. If a real watch lover, a very wealthy watch lover, wants to buy a tourbillon, I am pretty sure that he will be spending hundreds of thousand dollars, perhaps as an investment or just to appreciate the finest Swiss watch making. As we all know, tourbillon does not really do anything for your watch except for the look and hoping that someone else might be saying "wow, great tourbillon watch. what brand is it?" If I were the watch owner, I would be a bit embarrassed to say "it is Made in China Hangzhou tourbillon & brand is Waldhoff".
However, if someone's dream was to buy a real tourbillon watch at a super reasonable price, I guess this will be it. But on the flip side, unfortunately for Waldhoff, Alibaba is offering the same movement tourbillon watch at $400 range.www.alibaba.com/product-detail/High-quality-Brand-luxury-men-watch_62461020119.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normalList.1.4f775a5eoo5IgQ&s=p&fullFirstScreen=true
Ivan, as you said, Waldhoff is an interesting and no-nonsense watch company. I realized that when I was checking on their website.they have a lot of watches from $368 dollars to $2250. Using various different movements, NH38, Miyota, ETA and a lot of Hangzhou movements. And their pricing is very reasonable like Steinhart, another German watch company. Waldhoff is offering Tornado Midnight chrono watch (Valjoux 7750) at $850. THAT is a very good price for that movement. However, unlike Steinhart which has their marketing at homage concepts, it seems like Waldhoff has their own designs and marketing plan.
Honestly, I am bit impressed how they are doing it. and I would love to follow this company to see where they can go from here.
By the way, Ivan. for the most of highend watches, they are using Hangzhou movement which hasn't really been tested in foregin market for a long time. So, do you know how long of warranty they provide for their highend watches? And I am sure that Waldhoff does not have their service centers in USA or some other lesser known countries. So, when something goes bad with your tourbillon watch, who will pay for the shipping cost? and how long is the turn-around time for repair?
Thanks for an interesting watch review and have a great Sunday.
Haha well honestly a tourbillon for me is mainly for myself to stare at the marvel... if a friend or some other spectator wishes to also enjoy the visual feast for a brief period, I would be joyous to share the experience!
Alibaba!? Ah c'mon Alex that's not really a comparison is it? Sure you can buy *100 pieces for $45000* but who in this audience is going to do that??
Re: warranty, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's 2 years, off the top of my head. As for the other details I am afraid I do not have the info at hand presently. Cheers!
@@PerthWAtch thanks for reply Ivan. as for Alibaba, I did not mean that any consumer will buy from Alibaba, few pcs, for himself. I meant to say about the exclusivity of that Tourbillon movement. If Alibaba sells a watch with that exact movement to basically anyone who will pay that money, I highly doubt that anyone can really "enjoy the visual feast for a brief period" and it would be bit "non-joyous :+)" to share the experience. ha ha. thanks Ivan. PS, IMO, having tourbillon is ALL ABOUT exclusivity and super high horology reputation. Without that.....it is like buying a Pagani Design GMT (probably about the same price difference ratio, ha ha) and enjoying the visual feast and sharing the experience with your other watch afficionados. Not quite the same.... :+)
Yeah fair points - however I would say that given what we have today, the exclusivity of the tourbillon is no longer what it used to be. The Alibaba price (and the inaccessibility of that) notwithstanding, most of the enthusiasts I come across have never seen a tourbillon anyway, and I have indeed been truly and genuinely able to share with joy (and the audience have enjoyed the "visual feast").
Having a *Swiss* tourbillon is in large part about exclusivity, and mostly remains so today. Having a Chinese tourbillon... not so ;)
I’ve gotta say for a tourbillon this is very impressive to me. I am not a fan of them as I find most are illegible. But the blued steel components look brilliant! I could consider one of these, if my list wasn’t already full!🤣👍🏼
Thanks Andrew - I hear that such lists are well known to expand over time ;)
Quality review brother.... skeleton watches aren't for me, however what a truly beautiful piece, I don't have the words to fully do it justice....it's perfect bar that clasp....great value....⌚🏴⌚🏴
Thanks Brian - yeah I really enjoyed wearing this around and staring at that whirlwind :)
I can't quite figure out why it misses for me. Tourbillon is interesting , Sapphire case nice concept , skeletonized is popular, leaf pattern even better . l don't mind complications for complications sake. Like the idea of a Non Swiss watch. But it strikes me as a curiosity rather then the tour du force a tourbillon is supposed to be. I'd like to say sometimes less is more, but that's not always true. Say if you add a great dial, elegant hands ok maybe a thinner case still? Great review as usual Ivan
Oh I get what you mean, and you put it fairly. A tourbillon isn’t for everyone, and if you’re gonna get one it’s gotta be in a design that resonates with your own sensibilities.
Tourbillon movements are generally quite thick, so it reflects on the watch case thickness as well. Luckily this one is manually wound, otherwise it would be thicker even.
@@bellaggio1770 Well said, it's true tourbillons require a surprising amount of space. Objectively it's the proportions rather than just the thickness that doesn't quite work for me. It's also my " perception " of what I expect of a tourbillon. A brands tour du force, their very best piece, elegant in form and function. Admittedly I've also gotten pickier over time. Thanks for the comment
Actually a very nice watch in my opinion. Lovely details. Thanks for the review! I didn’t know about this one.
Thanks John - glad you enjoyed the review :)
if this dial is painted dark green mimicking the leaf pattern it would be beautiful
That’s an interesting idea!!
Hi Ivan, an interesting watch offering from them.
Also, nice to see a contemporary take on an already classical skeletonized styled movement.
What astounds me is the case design seemed to be a cross of AP code 99.something and Jacob & Co. astronomia.
A deal breaker for me would be lumes, decent water resistance and design. An exemption to compensate one of the three would be a speciality.
This watch covers 1/3. Bummer without proper water resistance since there are no other compensation factors like an alarm complication on Poljot's or minute repeater function given their movement size. Though a tourbuillon feature is a complication, its not a speciality as it is part of their movement integrity.
Also, its case dimentions are a little off in terms of proportions.
Thanks for your review with best regards.
Thanks for the detailed thoughts Thomason... I fear though that the possibility of an alarm or minute repeater complication would be beyond the realm of possibility at price point. Not entirely sure what the cheapest would be, but I suspect it’d be many multiples more!
Your concerns are undeniably relatable to many including myself at one given point in time.
Given the time, what we have to know in principle is that these featured functions offered same convinience and purpose as to modern movements with same or similiar featured capabilities. The only difference is mechanical versus hybrid technology. In another way, we could argue that it is old versus new school or function versus purpose.
Which ever way its been, the same thing remains. These functions are on the same principle basis.
So when it comes to a "wine taste better with age" as an example metaphor, I do understand the doubts on paying premiums for such complications if its an antique movement with importance.
Yet fear not because this isn't the case in current times. Since a Chinese tourbuillon movement can be duplicated and replicated with en masse manufacturing capabilities and with new materials, they have showed us that the prices of theirs when compared to Japanese or Swiss are not at premiums.
The question of paying premiums based on a time tested technology is now becoming accessible at lower price points. Its purely commercial based marketing and perceived perceptions.
In other words, reputation.
As an example, we can look up at a lesser known brand that uses mechanised alarm feature by Poljot. Their commanded prices are no where near premiums, especially in preowned markets. This is partly due to the brand's lesser known reputation. However, this could not be said true for minute repeaters as these are still reservedly made by established watch maker brands. Only time would tell when another foreign watch maker would take up the challenge to pick up the minute repeater mantle and made it affordable.
Also, note that aliexpress.com does offer alternative Chinese made tourbuillon watches at a significant fraction of premium price due to unrecognized commercial reputation.
Hence, your video watch review have made a valid point.
It is still possible to obtain featured features at reasonable prices. It is all in the moment of time that these mechanical features would become widely accessible.
Beautiful watch. Guanqin also has very cheap tourbillons. Around 350 euros. What do you personally feel about those? Thank you :)
I thought those aren’t real tourbillon. Do you have a link to one you’re referring to?
Nice to see a different style of watch for a change. For that money I would be looking elsewhere, but interesting nonetheless
Thanks for the thought Phil!
Spin definitely a 3, if your into skeleton and tourbillon watches this isn’t bad at the price point.
Thanks for that man :)
I really like it, a legible skeleton is unusual and the case is cool-the tourbillon is a bonus. Out of my price range tho unfortunately.
Cheers mate 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for the thoughts nonetheless Steve!
Not sure how I feel about a Tuorbillon like this. From what I read it's not. Love Skelton watches but in practice, I find them hard to read. I like that "cage"? Is cool. Black leather? strap is nice n clean but only a Sunday watch.
“From what you red it’s not”? It’s not what?
@@PerthWAtch my mistake
Nice job Perth Watches. Love your channel
Thanks man 👍
Intriguing watch, and with a Chinese movement, I would be more inclined to invest in a Seagull as well. Beautiful, definitely a dress watch for a special occasion. Thanks for the review!
Thanks for the comment - most welcome :)
Why more inclined into getting a seagull, I'm curious.
Something unusual today! Not my cup of tea, but for something different
Thanks - not just different but unique as far as my channel content is concerned :)
I love the organic feel of that leafy movement. Do you suppose that's CNC milled or lasered?
Crikey, they do a blue version!
Pretty sure it would be CNC or stamped.
Hi Perth WAtch, thank you for the very detailed review. I might have missed it in your video, but one thing I really need to find out is whether the movement is very loud? Reason being I've owned a Chinese tourbillon before and the ticking sound was a big issue for me, couldn't stand hearing it in quiet rooms.
Well unfortunately this is indeed quite an audible movement...
That thing is stunning at that price. The blue version is even more striking.
Thanks - yeah the blue is indeed striking but I wasn’t sure about blue leaves!
Thanks Chris !
Subscribe to this channel. Perth watches has done it again. Fantastic review!!!
Thank you!!
I understand the engineering significance of a tourbillon, but asthetically I've yet to see a watch with one I like, so beauty is certainly subjective. Great review, but not one that will be tempting an opening of my wallet
Oh that’s interesting to hear... I do find them so mesmerising! How about the Grubel Forsey multi axial tourbillons? Those are just NUTS!
@@PerthWAtch slightly more expensive than this one too. Haha. Dunno I'm just not a fan of skeletanised dials or seeing the inner workings when it's on your wrist. I like seeing car engines and appreciating the mechanics. But doesn't mean I'd like to drive around in a car without a body! It's nice to see a nice movement in a case back, but that's as far as it goes for me. But as always it's just my preference, everyone is different
Hah yes, indeed slightly more expensive!
Wow, a flying tourbillon for that kind of money?
It’s a tourbillon but not a flying one...
Hey, can I ask how it has held up? Is it still keeping time well? I suppose these are nearly impossible to service.
This was loaned and I didn’t get it keep it. I wouldn’t assume it’s impossible to service… would depend on where you are.
Specs are pretty good but they should have made it look better, It is sad t say the back of the watch is more beautiful the front
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I'm betting the tourbillon rotates at 60 seconds per minute, thus a default 3 hander?
You could look at it that way...
I designed this watch, I wish the tourbillion cage had a small second hand on it so that we could print a second track around the opening. Since it makes one complete turn every 60 seconds, it seems odd that they didn't do that.
Could one be added?
I may add this to my collection based on your review. Also, there is a Valentines Day sale on this piece which makes it even more compelling.
Ooh nice! Let us know which model you choose.
Good review ...... the lighting needs refining !!
What?
The lighting of the watches needs to be softer ......
Yes!
What a beautiful watch! Liked and subbed. I think the price is fair. The vertical sapphire did it for me. Additionally, the hands are visible and centered, and the dial looks amazing.
Thanks for that - welcome aboard :)
Gorgeous and admirable brand
Thanks for that :)
Chinese movement, how long it gonna last for?
Dunno man - probably forever
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