One of the Most Important Chapters in A Song of Ice and Fire!? (Explained)
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- Welcome back for another Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire videos. In this video, I will be discussing what I believe is one of the most important chapters in A Song of Ice and Fire. I think this chapter may hold some of the clues that hint at how this series will end. Now that we have seen how HBO ended Game of Thrones; fans want to know how George R.R. Martin will end his masterpiece, A Song of Ice and Fire. As you all know, Bran Stark became the king of the Seven Kingdoms at the end of Game of Thrones Season 8. But will this happen in the books? Bran Stark's final chapter, in A Dance with Dragons, left us with more questions than answers. What visions will Bran Stark see through the eyes of the weirwood next? What does Bloodraven and the Children of the Forest really want? Will we see the Children of the Forest create a Night King in the books as well? What happened to Jojen Reed? Are the Children of the Forest, and/or, Bloodraven, still working with the White Walkers? What will happened to Bran Stark? How will A Song of Ice and Fire end? When will the Winds of Winter get released? I give my opinion on a lot of these theories in this video. Let me know what you think down below. Thanks for watching!
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This was the most intriguing part of the show and the mysteries to unfold is what kept me engaged. Then they just threw it away and didn't address anything.
Have you read the books? It gives you more insight! I highly recommend you read them if you haven't 😁 also the show they kinda did drop off a bit but they did include it more so than they did other things. Like all of season 6 I believe it was (whatever season hold the door was in) was mostly about it but they didn't go in depth as much as they could have for sure, missed opportunity. But the books are much better if you want to delve into that part of the story!
It was very unfortunate. I couldn't believe they left Bran out of the entire 5th season when they could have done so many things with his plot.
@From Maui fully aware, I've been waiting for just as long lmfao. Doesn't mean no one else can start reading them being as the books we do have still have info on what the original commenter was saying.
Omg yeah another thing they didnt address, aryas wolf's wolfpack...like here they are and..... Thats it! 😒😒😒 Im still so annoyed about d & d. Literally if they was stuck on what to do, just google or yt theories at that time and they would of been overwhelmed with possible content ideas. 😒 grrr
@@TalkingThrones It’s a very hard plot point to flush out. I personally think Brans story is what has given George so many problems finishing the books.
HBO should make a limited series about Children of the Forest and the start of the white walkers... that would be a hit
Anything GoT related would be a hit (with good writing of course) lol
So many options
I would love that. I think it would be best after HOTD. It would be cool to end HOTD with some kind of tie in to the Children. Maybe an document, maybe dragon glass…something like that. Then do a narration of the children and show the item or show the action that created the story or weapon. Then end with an ominous clip. That would be amazing.
They are
well it failed
Do you know what the realm is?
It's Game of Thrones season 8
Something we watch over and over
Till we realize that it's a lie.
😂😂😂
😅
Over and over ?damn ,... Sorry bro.
Lol. Once was enough
It’s outrageous. It’s unfair.
Absolutely my favourite part of GOT , the North and all the mysteries it contains . One of my absolute favourite scenes of the original series was when Bran met the 3 eyed raven for the first time . Also the first scene where the three rangers come across the white walkers for the first time , really chilling
Absolutely brilliant! The Children know Bran CAN talk to “the dead” when he’s in the Weirwood network, but try to convince him they cannot hear him; “a whisper on the wind”. However, we know through GRRM that Bran will warg into a young Hodor in order to help him in the future, thus changing the past. So with this knowledge, if Bran is able to talk to Ned through the weirwood network, then he could help prevent EVERYTHING - Roberts rebellion, Robert becoming King, the death of Lord Aaron, Robert naming Ned as Hand, etc. Bran’s power is never awoke and he cannot be used by the Children! I’ve never considered the Children to be evil until just now!! My eyes have opened!!
I think it would already have happened though. Hodor already happened. He grew up with it.
@@nedjohnson4089 I think it messed hodor up because Bran wargs into him while hes looking at the past.
But if he does prevent everything i prevents getting his powers thus he never prevents everything. So its a paradox. Besides its said the past is set. Whatever he attempts to change in the past he already attempted, we just dont realize the aftermath was a result of that attempt.
Lord Aaron was the best
They did create the night king.
Omg this channel got recommended to me after 1.5 years! How has been everyone doing?!
Hey! Same. I'm good, especially considering what is going on around the world. Still hopefull for the next book. How about you??
I come hear for the tea
As usual we always excited when he drop new video here
Still talking thrones lol
Im envious of you two. Tons of amazing content ahead for u😀. If you need more recommendations for channels with similar content.....Ask and you shall receive 😁
So glad your still going strong even over a year after the TV show finished up! Fair play, well done and keep it up!
Thank you, my friend. I love making these videos, and hearing everyone else's thoughts.
Why would he stop? The garbage tv show has nothing to do with the wonderful literature
I've always found the 3-eyed raven / Bran's storyline fascinating in the books. The show completely ruined it at the end with robot Bran and it having virtually no impact on the story. I think in the books it will be extremely important and can't wait for WoW to find out more.
There's apparently a release date for WOW 🙂 it's supposed to be November 13th 2023!!!
@@gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218 That will be still more than 18 months to go.... Thanks for this information, but did you get it from a reliable source? I was looking around for the last months to find a hint but I couldn't find anything....
@@missmaniac5145 the release date is all over the internet idk how you couldn't find any information on it
@@gholamdapantaloonsniffer8218 for real?
The official release date is... maybe.... yeah, never....ppfff...
Loved this video! I see loads of connections with Danny's visions on the House of the Undying, the visions from Aeron in the prereleased chapter of the Forsaken, Jaime's dreams down the caves of Casterly Rock, the stories of Ygritte and the caves, Old Nan's tales, the Ghost of High Heart, Catelyn's and Robb's conversation at Oldstones on Mudd's grave, Godric Borrel's and Dick Crabb's squisher tales, Jon's wolf dreams crypt dreams, Ned's fever dream, Theon's interactions in the godswood, Patchface's profecies, the Shrouded Lord in Tyrion's dreams, and Melissandre's visions in the fire, were I believe she catches a glimpse of Bran and Bloodraven, all pointing to the White Walkers and the Children of the Forest.
Absolutely. I like these ideas too.
I've always believed that the white haired woman was infact snowy locks and that the sacrifice at the weirwood was a blood pact between the first men and the children of the forest to end their wars...Their treaty was sworn in Stark blood, a blood oath. This is also the most likely reason "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell". Love Qot 🌹
Better theory, as is no "Night King" in the books.
@@akafuguvids An obsession with theory crafters to incorporate show elements. I can't imagine the books having a character like "The Night King".
I'm pretty sure Ned never says there must be a stark in winter fell in the books. That's a show thing.
@@hrodvithit well, if there is at least some truth in old Nan stories, there once was a "Night's King", who probably was not only a Stark, but also Night's Watch commander.
@@lxdead5585 Exactly. He didn't lead the Walkers, he got seduced by one.
I really hope the winds of winter come out next year, never waited so much a book in my life
It will break records for sales.
That's probably why it's taking George so long, he's seen how disappointed everyone was with the show towards the end, and wants to get everything right... We all know it will be great though
it won't
@@brianschulte6008 Its taking forever because GRRM is tired of writing the series, he's been tired of it since feast maybe even ASOS. He's old, fat and sold his Magnum Opus out to HBO. All he wants to do now is blog about football and release smaller stories in drips and drabs. The first three books had 1-3 years between their publication feast took 5 years ADoD was 6 years now its been 9 years almost 10 until winds, he doesn't plan on finishing the series people just have to accept that.
I'm from the future. It doesn't.
I think some of Bran's actions can be viewed differently when you realize he's still essentially a child. He's been traveling with other children, mature sure, but no one's been instilling education or morals the way a parent or the Maesters would.
He was an active child as well, he's just trying to feel human again, without the forethought an adult would be capable of. I don't think he can empathize with people yet, as in, "how does this effect Hodor?" He can see pain and empathize, but the other concept is too abstract for most kids his age
Bran is starting to give me Lord of the Flies vibes!
Big facts
The 3 eyed raven's centuries long plan was ultimately to install himself as king of westeros so that Bronn son of you wouldn't know him could be chosen as master of coin.
Try using commas and quotation marks in your comments
Oh yeah it's big brain time
@@thegreenbaron6439 I happen to agree with you when it comes to people needing to use punctuations when posting comments. So many people get offended and angry anytime someone says anything about it. It has absolutely nothing to do with trying to be condescending or questioning someone’s intelligence. When people post comments w/o using any punctuation marks or a period, question mark or exclamation point, it is difficult to comprehend what they are saying. The comments are long run on sentences and make no sense
And not master of war, which was left vacant
@@armurph1102 were not offended we're annoyed your inability to comprehend is jo ones problem but yours the human brain can read backwards and forwards and prior to the dictionary in 1768 words were spelled by the writer not some formal rule and even today punctuation rules vary for the formatting standard . It is intellectual one-upsmanship objectively and you fool no one smarter than you
Jon and bran chapters are always the best. Surprisingly liked the reek chapter when he is with Reese Bolton. I’m reading a dance with dragons right now
If only D&D still used the Books after Season 4 , the Show would be unbeatable
I had never though about the White Walkers being warged into. That would be wild
It's makes a lot of sense, since the Night King was made by the children of the forest. They're all getting their powers from the same source, only the Night King is for the dead, whereas Bran is for the living, or so we think...
@@TalkingThrones I absolutely love the theory that Bran is being used instead of being this heroic figure. The motives for the children seems to lead that way. In a world where almost everyone/thing wants vengeance, i can't imagine they don't want their lands back.
@@Ryan-iv3cz Exactly!
Thats why it's believed the Night King is a Stark. The Starks are blood of the first men. They also have Greenseers and skinchangers amongst their descendants. The Night King wargs the dead, most likely meaning in life he was a powerful warg himself.
What? White Walkers? That’s show garbage are you talking about the Others? This video is about ASOIAF not the travesty that was HBOs production...
This is my favorite part in A Song Of Ice & Fire,
its so mysterious in a dark way.
This was a great chapter and it makes me wish we had more of Bran training. Many show only watchers dislike Bran's story but I found the mysticism of the old gods fascinating. I'm sure we'll get to read more when the 'Winds of Winter' comes out. I still believe we will one day read it.
First off, I just wanna say I love your content. My mind works in a similar fashion, constantly trying to fit the pieces together. I have a few things to throw into the pot. As to the question of who might the pregnant woman seeking revenge be?..I was instantly brought to think of Alys Rivers for some odd reason. I last remember her at Harrenhall just before Aemond was killed by his uncle in F&B around 132AC.
Secondly, Bran's arc has always been my favorite, and imo raises the questions I'm most dying to know. Instead of running through an in depth run of theory around Bran, I'm just gonna simply ask you some questions I've been asking myself. If they're stimulating enough, perhaps I'll watch a new video of yours pondering my questions. Ha
1. What is the Others ultimate goal in traveling south?
2. Assuming the Others goal is to merely destroy all human life and avenge the COF, why leave the ranger alive in S1E1? A man who would ultimately be the condemned soul at Bran's first execution, symbolizing his reaching manhood.
3. Why is The Bloodraven banished to the wall in 233 AC with Aemon? What leads to his disappearance North of the wall in 252? And lastly, what would Aemon have to say about the Bloodraven?
4. Is Bran:
a. The Lord of Light
b. The Night King
c. The Three Eyed Crow
d. All of the above
If you believe as I do, that Bran is the Lord of Light AND the Night King, then it truly blurs the lines of the story beautifully in my opinion. Knowing such things, where do you even begin to calculate a character's precise spot on a spectrum between Good and Evil? If we look at Littlefinger with distrust and hatred for his part as a "Masterful Manipulator" and a dark magician of whispers...then how can we even begin to imagine Bran's character as a part of the "Good" side of the spectrum???
The Night King = The Great Other. In the show they mainly refer to The Others as white walkers because there is a group called The Others in Lost. Since they never refer to Others as the Others, they couldn't call their leader The Great Other; so they called him The Night King. I think his origin will be the same in the book, he will just be called The Great Other.
1) The "Night King" wasn't created by the Children of the Forest. The "Night King" was apparently a Lord Commander of the Night Watch, who supposedly took a demoness for a lover. The Night King himself was human, assuming he even existed. The Others (White Walkers) existed a LONG time before the Night Watch was formed.
2) The Others were apparently enemies of the Children as well. It was their obsidian weapons that can pierce their armour and kill them. Metal would shatter due to the sheer cold of their presence making it brittle. So the Children kept giving the Night Watch a yearly supply of spear- and arrow-heads.
3) I have my own guess as to what the Others are. They are demons. But demons don't just pop into the world causing mayhem like in Warhammer 40.000. They are usually being summoned. What I believe is that someone SUMMONED the Others a long time ago... but didn't honor the bargain. The Others are merely trying to take their due, but unaware of the pact, mankind fought and drove them back. The numbers of the Others themselves were most likely few, blown out of proportion to make the tale more captivating. And they'll keep coming back until the contract is fulfilled.
I like this. Just one correction: The Night King is a purely show-created character. The _Night's_ King is from the books, and yes, he was human.
Night’s King*
There’s a theory that the children created the others as weapons to fight off the first men’s invasion. The weapon seemingly got out of hand and they were forced to pact with the humans in order to push them as far north as they could. The one thing about this that doesn’t track with me is the Great Other. Who’s the entity that is the foil to the Lord of Light. Wouldn’t that entity be the one responsible to create the others? Also they’re described as being very beautiful in the books. Ethereal. So they’re not as “demonic” seeming. This is by far the best part of the lore. I was super bummed when the long night pilot didn’t get picked up. I was always more curious about this than the dance of the dragons
I believe that Robert's Rebellion, Quaith and the House of the Undying prophecies and visions, the birth of dragons, Blooraven and Bran's powers and the magical candles at the Citadel and the Lord of Light are all connected. I just don't know how.
I like that idea.
There is at least one link I know of when Danny was in the House she saw multiple scenes through doors one was definitely the red wedding.
@@abigailslade3824 and robbs death was also foeshadowed from the first book. Making Greatjon Umber his general was the first mortal error.
@@Schoki99 the red wedding is where Robb dies so that’s what I meant
@@abigailslade3824 i know. and again, robbs death was foreshadowed in a game of thrones. The phrase "this was his first mortal error" is more then a hint.
I 'think' George RR Martin should finish the Winds of Winter... that's what...
I second that, and third that, and fourth that...
He should split that book in 2 just do 9 books and spare us a little, winds, winter, dreams and spring , he has to accept it , 2000 pages of winds of winter won't be possible anyway
@@PedroKrick I've been ranting Martin should release TWOW half NOW half later, just to tide us over and slack our thirst. BUT either he has Less than half written Or as he writes and the details change, he will have to go back and rewrite parts of the first half of the book. Either way Winter is still a long ways off.
Its been 9 years since the last one, and he probably wont release the winds for another year at the very least. The mans moribidly obese and in his 70's he isn't going to finish the series.
@@hunbunfun132 - I agree with you 100%. and Fatty Bumbar needs to get it sorted for his loyal book fans...
Bran was watching everyone in winterfell, and it might be that the one who got the blade plunged into his heart was a stark. A stark of winterfell.
I agree, I think the children of the forest are warging into the white walkers to get their revenge. Ultimately it's not Bran that will sit the iron throne but the Three Eyed Crow, the children of the forest themselves.
There’s no three eyes raven buddy... in the books Bloodraven is the three eyes crow.
@@factbeaglesarebest ok
@@jonathangomez8539 it just seems convoluted to change his name. I don’t get why the show does crap like that.
It could be children warging into combat bodies, using the Weirwood net. Though I doubt it due to the fact the Others speak out loud and even laugh. I feel like if they were warging together from the weirwood net then they’d be communicating telepathically rather than using their mouths and ears.
@@factbeaglesarebest There’s no reason to believe that Bloodraven is the Crow that Bran dreams about. Bloodraven also seems to be calling Bran using the dreams of the Weirwood tree. Bran has Wolf dreams, Flying Dreams, and Weirwood dreams. You’re only assuming Bloodraven is the Three eyed crow because Bran makes that assumption. Bloodraven never even confirms he’s the Three eyed Crow, he could think Bran is referring to him as a Crow due to his past as a man on the Wall. It’s all Upto your perception, I think the Three Eyed Crow is Bran from the future. You could also write it off as the Weirwood Net consciousness.
I want to go into a cave and live on DMT paste for an undeterminable amount of time tbh.
There are over 1 hundred different kinds of mushrooms growing down there. Maybe Bran's visions are hallucinations.
@@TalkingThrones Maybe it's spookier than that. Maybe what the mushrooms show are real and it's some sort of powerful misunderstood technology?
Would Jojen paste do?
@@JamesMc2051 Great one mate !
I hope he goes into detail about the Ebony trees with blue leaves. I think they are just a different species of weirwood
Like the doors on the House of Black and White
In my mind, the male Children of the Forest seem to be warging into the White Walkers.
Everything that makes them sad stems from what men have done. They rarely even fret about the WWs.
The old folklore would seem to be just old tales as they happened so long ago. I think the children of the forest and the giants did help to build the wall but not on the side we presumed.
There’s that bit about the iron swords in the crypt of winterfell too. The male children could be much older than we expected. Maybe they’ve been warged into the old kings of winter this entire time and that’s why the iron swords are needed. The oldest tombs are inaccessible - is that because the iron swords there had rusted away completely as it happened further back? Does inaccessible part hide a deeper system underground that connects to the oldest tree beyond the wall as well as elsewhere? Does the 600ft deep river and caverns reach winterfell?
If the river and caverns are connected to winterfell, the iron swords would prevent WWs from getting out of the tombs as well as stopping those on the outside from opening the tombs... if you catch my drift
Ah there’s just so much
These are all good questions. I hope we get some more answers in The Winds of Winter.
Oooohhhh!
I always love your theory videos. I've been watching your content pretty much when u were a new creator. Also thankyou for continuing to keep making videos for GoT where most creators stopped when the TV show was over. There are endless topics to discuss in this huge world George created and there will be more and more as more books come out and the new HBO show starts. Keep up the great work and looking forward to the next video.
We know in the HBO show that the children of the Forest created the white walkers we don’t know that for sure in the books their origins is still clouded in mystery
See, I wonder if its an 'abomination' to warg into another person because they don't want people knowing its not only possible, but you can do it through time _and_ you can influence them (another thing they try and convince him he cant do). That along with the fact that theres Children from the past in ravens still, whos to say the Children that 'disappeared' from the past didn't just go off to enact revenge, and if Bran ends up on the throne, maybe he's been taken over by those Children in the past.
The story of what happened between the Children and the White Walkers is all stories, we have no idea if they _knew_ what would happen and planned it all. They could have been influencing people and events this entire time, waiting until they could get their human vessel on the throne, and take everything back. I mean, look how easily wars can start and millions can die. Imagine if the 'person' in charge had the secret motive to get rid of all the men.
Maybe because the males are seemingly less common, they're down in the caves, protected until they can all come back out and have their lands back.
I really like some of these ideas. I do feel like the children of the forest are being patient, waiting to get their representative, Bran, on the throne. Once that happens, they can really start making progress on getting all their lands back.
Maybe they are not less common, but they were killed during the war? And those in the cave survived because were not found. This leads to the idea, that the sacrificed humans were the price the northern man had to pay for the peace and the Children tried to use magic to turn them into their own kind in the purpose of rebuilding the population, but it went wrong (that's why they are men only and Craster gives them boys). There is a chance, that there is nothing like revenge or anything, but the Walkers are just unstable creatures full of mixed human and Children agenda, that in fact makes them threatened by both races. Then fear and rage turned them mad and out of control, so now the only thing they "remember" is to come back home - the only safe picture they can bring back in their heads.
I also thought it could be just that they were captured to create ultimate antihuman weapon, but it's too easy, I much prefer the 1st idea, as it also explains why the people in the north wanted to forget about it, as it follows with the shame of sacrificing their own people and being the part creating that horror.
Something as simple as adding in a line from The Three Eyed Raven (during the invasion from the Night King), where he states to Bran: “My ability has fully been passed to you. He comes for us both. He has waited an eternity for this chance as all he needs is the power we have along with the destruction of the Weirwood Tree that created him, a tree you are very familiar with. Now, go, I’ve used all the time I may waste, he will be here soon.”
Just something along those lines would’ve allowed the rest of the scenes to play as we had seen in the show but at least the Night King would’ve had a truly established goal. In my theory, he needed the death of the power of the Three Eyed Raven along with the destruction of the Weirwood Tree that created him, which in this version would’ve been at Winterfell.
I think that is definitely Ser Duncan the Tall but the girl I'm not sure. I don't know much of the theory that it was Old Nan, nor much of the theory that Old Nan is a Frey which I think is meant to be related. As for Hodor, it's possible that Dunk is an ancestor of his but not his father considering Old Nan id Hodor's great-grandmother.
The pregnant woman is probably a She-Wolf, I think you're right. It's likely GRRM linking into to the other stories he's got planned, he loves to give hints and clues!
I don't think the sacrifice was the one that made the "Night King". The Night King isn't even a character thus far in the books and there is no real reason to think there will be. The Others don't need to have a leader in the story - in fact the way GRRM writes them to be scary and unknowable and, well, "the Other" works better if they are Faceless, all indistinguishable and not just following orders from one main Big Baddie. I'm not sure the sacrifice is particularly meaningful other than to show the culture of the First Men prior to the Andal invasion (they were using bronze tools) and that sacrifices are potentially relevant, but I'd love to be proven wrong on that. Regardless, I don't think this white-haired woman is a Singer, they are a different species and already described as quite different from humans. Bran wouldn't have just called her a woman if she was a Singer.
Last time I saw one of your videos was before that last season… Glad to see that you’re keeping up the amazing content
Thanks
Thank you for your continued interests in keeping us engaged. You blow me away continually. 👏
All these predictions and possible endings to ASAF is so fun to ponder, I‘ll be happy when we get the final books but I’ll miss videos like these.
Thanks for your videos!❤️ It just gives more life back into the story and removes the shadow of D&D
I believe that this ritual was the "awakening" of the heart tree, so using man's blood the tree is able to hold the visions and memories, that's why Bran can taste the blood, because it was given to the tree in which he is residing.
Absolutely love your video's! They are always the highlight of my Day. I wonder what are considered abominations according to Blood Raven, not Hagen
I read a theory forever ago that the pregnant woman in the vision is Brandon The Daughter-less's daughter was 'kidnapped' by Bael The Bard
I agree, it does have soooooo much information in it, and one of the most important. Definitely fuels a lot of through.
I love this chapter and the books description of Bloodraven...him slowly being absorbed into the tree. Do you think that is what happened to every 3-eyed raven throughout history? Or even the origin of the weirwood trees?
This explains Bran manipulating circumstances to get the throne .
I don't know if the children are evil, but they sure are shady as hell.
Lol for real. They're creepy little f*ckers too
I agree that the children of the forest and through them Blood Raven control everything. That cave is so creepy and Bran is also becoming dark, drinking the blood from the roots or Jojen, much like Euron and the Warlocks drink the opposite from the purple trees in Essos. If Bran is to become the king, we can only hope that he can release himself from the Children on the Isle of Faces. This place must surely be where the show down with the Night's King, the children, blood magic and Reed who is the only person that we know of who was able to visit the island and return to help Ned Stark.
There is no "Night King" in the books. That is a character invented for the show, probably to avoid having to go into all of this about the CotF and their connection to the White Walkers.
@@jimhart4488 but there IS a Night's King in the books, most likely a Stark -:))
@@karenhindson1695 Yes, but there is no evidence or indication that they are the same character or even play similar roles. The only connection is the similarity of the name.
The final showdown will happen on the banks of the Trident
@@karenhindson1695 there WAS, and not a Night King but "Night's King" who WAS Night's Watch commander (and MAYBE Stark). Do Yourself an favor and read GoT prologue again. White Walkers doesn't have king, they are an ancient race hating life and using dead to wage war against it.
I always got the feeling after this chapter that there is a similar hell underneath the Red Keep. Varys literally want take tyrion beyond a certain point in the caverns under the red keep unless he closes his eyes he tells him that the horrors he would see would break him and never let him sleep again due to nightmares it would give him. We know there are tons of caves all over those three hills there before the red keep likely used by children. There are several underground weirwoods that we hear of one of them huge the one in casterly rock. Seems logical that this would be the scene varys tries to keep from Tyrion likely part of his master of whispers secrets. Also gives good reason Jaquen would submit and allow himself to be locked up and put in black cells. I also feel like the marriage cake Danny is told Merrenes brides are only allowed and it taste like the best thing in the world sounds like Bran eats the cake mix before wedding the trees. Danny gets a cooked version the Green Grace seems like a clear green seer and the aka Harpy. I also feel like the claws on the master whip of the unsullied with its four claws are from children of the forest I like to think so anyway.
Wow. I was really all over the place with this message.
@@jessejohnson8365 a bit, yea lol, but u made several good points.
Would you keep making "what happened in the book" series? I love those videos.
imagine if asoiaf ends with bran altering neds path so that he never becomes the hand of the king, or he tells the king about jaime and cersei and he never gets executed. I doubt that would happen, because it would make all the other plots feel pointless. Still though, imo it's an interesting thought.
That would certainly “break the wheel” so to speak
There are absolutely a lot of northern mysteries , among others.
Which was why the shows conclusion was so wanting.
They didn’t even scratch the surface of these mysteries.
And while I doubt Martin will answer all our questions, he will touch on many of them.
This is one of my favorite chapters in the song. Right up there with The Forsaken.
Wait, has it been officially confirmed that the COTF created the WW? I thought that was only in the show? Ive read the books over 6 times and im surprised if i missed that...
We will not get the last book. At best we get Winds and perhaps another Dunk book, and then - at best - many years later we'll get an unfinished tales styled book of the unreleased chapters or his work for Spring.
I'm also afraid that will happen. I think we will get the Winds of Winter, and the second volume of Fire and Blood, since that show has already been green lit. He will need to produce more material for that series to be successful. What he releases after this is up in the air for me...
A la Frank Herbert…
I think the weir woods need blood sacrifices.
In the Arya chapter when Lord Beric had the Hounds trail was full of magic and they were also underground in weir wood roots. I think the magic is part of the world itself, not from a good.
Lord Beric sword caught fire after he cut his palm and rubbed the blade with his blood. Then after Thoros brought him back to life again. She also had the memory of her wolf dream return first thing.
I agree. The weirwoods need blood.
Where's the link to the video you mentioned at @15:37? The Singers at definitely suspect, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on them & what you think they're really up to
Through Bran’s unguided actions, changing into Hodor, and all the other abomination actions……does he create the night king himself? Dark actions create dark times…..
The third abomination for wargs is having sex while skin changed (technically this is referring to boning a wolf when you're a wolf kinda thing), the fan theory is Bran rapes Meera while warging Hodor. Which plays into your Bran doing what he wants with no reguard angle
Holy moly. I think you cracked it. That’s the best I’ve heard in a while.
Continue doing chapter-wise analysis videos!
I do think the children have a lot more to do with things than what’s been written thus far . Evil ?? I’m not sure . Are they the old gods I’m not sure ? The god of fire . Are they the same ? What is the common denominator is the starks , the dire wolves , and the white walkers . I think there is more magic involved than the show brought out . More in winterfell than we know . I hope the new book answers questions and doesn’t leave things out the way the show did .
You know the cave with the dead looking Singers, do they say what color the eyes are? After all if they are golden then these Singers are not Greenseers. Which would make whatever is happening to them even creepier then what is happening to Bloodraven. I mean at lest we sort of know what is happening to Bloodraven, and that helps make it less creepy...maybe.
A sunless sea under the earth, pale blind fish to eat, the bones of the dead around, evil orcs (children of the forest)... is this gollums home under the misty mountains?
2:10 Never did both, nor fly nor walk, but he kept rollin' rollin' rollin'.
I love the analysis based on the reading. There are certain points in George’s narrative, where you know he’s foreshadowing something major. Please release the winds of winter Mr. GRRMartin
I just thought about something, we often hear how the weirwoods cry bloody red tears. Maybe thats seer’s like Bran crying for a time they can never alter nor influence, forever doomed to watch and observe
I have believed since the beginning that the Children of the Forest are evil and seeking vengeance and still controling the white walkers somehow.
I hope they are for the book's sake. I think it will make things far more interesting.
@@TalkingThrones why then are they said to be the enemies of the white walkers in the books, supplying the nights watch with obsidian to fight them with etc?
great video. My absolute favorite chapter. please do more like this!
This whole video made me feel like I was a medieval man with schizophrenia taking various forms of acid and mushrooms.
The Children could be playing the long game of revenge. I like how ASOIAF is primarily in the realm of medieval type fantasy but it feels like it could fully transition into full Lovecraftian Horror at any moment.
A group of ravens is called an unkindness or conspiracy.
It's called a "murder", Einstein.
I think Bloodraven will fool Bran into evilness and I think Bran is some how will be the Night King, I mean why the dead chose to march to the wall now like why they didn’t march 10 or 20 years ago, I believe something motivated them to move forward to the wall and I believe either it’s bloodraven or Bran *who i think can time travel to future and past to effect on some events* who motivated them.
Or maybe I think too much and I need to have a life.
"A thousand eyes, red eyes and blue eyes " - Melissandre, script draft, Season 8 GOT......probably.
The theory about the white haired woman being one of the children of the forest is intriguing on first glance but after thinking about it I think that the last scene is just meant to show us that the first men made sacrifices in the godswood at winterfell.
It's important to note that the weapon used was a "bronze sickle". Only the first Men use Bronze and when we consider the fact that the tool used is a sickle placed around the neck, its much more likely it's an instrument designed and used for this specific purpose which basically rules out one of the children of the forest for me. Had it been an instrument made of weirwood, or obsidian, or even some type of stone then I would be thinking differently. I think the point is that a lot of stuff went on at winterfell that the current day characters are not aware of.
However, I am 100% with you that the children of the forest in that cave seem to be up to something and Bran does seem to be breaking all the rules as set out in the prologue regarding warging/skinchanging. I also don't care for Jojen's apparent dismissal that he can't be a greenseer. He seems to have dreams without the aid of a direwolf or weirwood, also his frail body and green eyes seem to align perfectly with Bloodraven's description of a greenseer. Something else is going on. Everyone is lying to Bran. Perhaps Jojen's dreams have been manipulated or Jojen has an ulterior motive for wanting to go to the three eyed crow. A young boy of noble birth is not simply going to go wait to die in some cold cave north of the wall, he is up to something. Perhaps he's left out more of his dreams than just his death.
Excellent. I really enjoy the idea that the male children of the forest are working dead humans, creating the army of the dead. When I read that the first time, I was shocked but did not try to give it a purpose. I just got through the books this year, I can only imagine what it would be like to have read the last book 10 years ago and are analyzing the crap out of everything to keep the book relevant in their mind. Let's hope no later than '22. I know it's hard for me to wait just a couple more years!
This was one of best videos you added long time! I really liked it. 👍
its not evil of the children of the forest to want vengence and their land and home back.
I think the white-haired woman is the Corpse Queen. And that the man she sacrifices is the Night's King. I think this man is Coldhands as well.
When Bran first sees the heart of winter, he sees a woman.
bittersteel has first men blood too
15:15 How can the children be evil when GRRM has clearly shown us there is no evil, there is no good, there are merely shades of grey?
Not true Euron Greyjoy and Ramsay are evil
@@Omggeex Euron is definitely more grey in the books than the show, and Ramsay is certainly a little more towards classic "evil," but still is he evil or was he taught to be that way?
@@JonathanMartin884 Euron is not grey he killed two of his brothers, sexually assaulted one of his brothers, tore out peoples tongues and kept them as slaves, tore out his fiancé’s tongue and tied her to the mast of the ship when she was pregnant with his child and hired a faceless assassin to kill his other brother
@@Omggeex All of which is mostly condoned by the Ironborn. You are applying our own cultural mores to the Ironborn.
@@JonathanMartin884 ohhh so now you backtrack to "there is no good and evil" to "it was ok to them, not to us" when you're given example of true evil characters.
Pathetic. There is good and evil in the story, deal with it.
And even if we apply your own perspective that something isn't evil because it was condoned by their people and we can't judge with our own morals, then the Children's actions aren't evil because the Children condone them. Your own "logic" defeats your argument and your original question becomes nonsensical.
And I call it "logic" because it is EXACTLY the same as saying Hitler wasn't evil because his actions were condoned by the Nazis.
P.S.: just because someone was "taught to be evil" doesn't make them not evil. That's like saying Michael Jordan was not a good basketball player because he was taught to be good.
You seem to either have a very limited sense of logic or you got yourself into a corner with a statement you can't defend but can't admit it out of stubborness so you resort to the most awful and impossible to defend arguments I've read in a while which is way worse than just admitting the other person may be right.
"It would take me another half hour to explain that"
Hold on, let me get my popcorn so you can keep going. rsrssrs
What I liked about the last season, Danyrys going insane. There were so many hints that it was going to happen. What I didn’t like that Jon Snow never took the throne.
Been doing as well as it can be expected. I'm glad it's back too!
I don't think they were lying to Bran. I believe they genuinely cannot alter past events or interact with the time-stream.
If you read back, I'm sure Bloodraven complained to Bran about how futile it was; about how he'd tried so many times to call to his brothers and lover etc and how it only ever ended the same.
They were hearing a whisper on the wind, but unable to actually interact with.
I believe Bran is just that powerful that he is defying all the laws of the weirwood consciousness and will be the first to actually interact with the past, thru sheer power, and force a change in historical events
Ergo, he is the Three-Eyed Crow from the future guiding his younger self, as well as all other current events in the story
My theory is that the Children created an ice witch to stop the First men from destroying Westeros, and because they were from a warm continent, they would not survive, thus the Long Night. This witch grew too powerful, and the winter started killing the Children too, so they then created the Knights King and the Others from the Warrior and his 13 knights, to kill her, but she fled and united with a Stark of the Nights Watch. When this new Night King and Queen were finally defeated the witch was put under a spell and put under Winterfell, only to be broken if there was not a Stark there. The Children then convinced Bran the Builder to help construct a magical wall to keep the Knights King and his army of wights from mindlessly coming across the northern border, because now they are too powerful, to finish their task, which will release them from their spell. The Others do not want to take over, they just want to KILL THAT WITCH, but are so misunderstood. The Knights King is Azor Ahai, (but not the Prince that was promised), and he will kill her with Barricks flaming sword Dawn. A Stark interfered by taking the Witch, and a Stark must help by setting things right, that is why Bran is so important, but the Children are only telling/showing him what they want to, not the whole story.
"The Children of the Forrest are evil" Are they? Why? Because the plot against the force that drove them out of Westeros and near extinction? Isnt that the plot of so many Fantasy or Sci Fi Stories? Arent the guys that fight these battles always considered Heroes?
Just wanted to point out, that especially with Georte R.R. Martin, one shouldnt throw around attributes like "evil" so easily.
I personally believe, that the Others and the Children mostly fight for their own survival. My favorite theory is, that the White Walkers used to get more diverse offerings through the Snowgate which Sam and Bran use at the Nightfort. But now, they only get Crasters Sons, the most inbread people imaginable, which destroys their society. So for them, it is either go to war or die out.
And yes, that "final Azor Ahai Battle" will probably be more like a negotiation, that sets up a new exchange system between the Others and the Humans.
Because if you think about it, if the only way the White Walkers can reproduce is: Getting newborn babies form Men... then they actually cant aim to destroy humanity...
Now the interssting question is: Do the Children of the Forrest want that cooperation to succed, or is it their plan, that Humanity and the White Walkers destroy each other...
He’s pointed towards it not being about evil and good but more about the battles of the heart. I don’t see this Old Gods vs Lord of Light “war” as being good vs evil. Merely a force of nature
Well, the "we hope they will destroy each other" is maybe the most plausible theory that I've seen about the Children, I COULD get behind that... Still seems like a desperate plan but the way they tell it, they SEEMED kinda desperate...
Though I'm not convinced yet by the motivation for the Others with the babies, since they have a very peculiar way of making themselves heard, they massacre everyone, doesn't seem to me like a good strategy to get babies. They could just raid a village now and then to get a few babies and that's it...
3 years late but ive been thinking that the "great other" and the old gods are the same thing. Like when Melisandre tries to see him but can only see bran and blood raven through vague imagery
What if George pulls a complete 360 for the fans. He releases them both? It has taken so long because he is finishing both at once. Fixing every think that was ruined.
Sweet child of summer.
@@Thinkcreep ikr
Ghost still ended up being a runt really. Well compared to Aryas wolf, but that was roaming in the wild so it was probably way bigger than all the wolf's would have grown. Pretty sure they are the only 2 alive still
We don't know that the children made the white walkers. This is only part of the show canon and has never been hinted at in the books.
What i was thinking
Sad no EN CCC (for me atleast..) thank you either way - for all your uploads and thgoughtful efforts
Great video as always. Thank you.
WHO has not evil, dark and terrifing aspects inside???? Most of the clearest, purest and holyest people was at least effected by the dark side, they so deeply feard, hated and be fought.....in Duality every thing has an reverse side that wanted to be accepted and ambraced.....
What if Bran can actually glimpse future events? And the grey hair woman is his mother opening by the throat of Theon or Jaime… or Roose
Isn't old Nan Hodor's grandmother? Nan is almost as old as the old man at the wall, so wouldn't Ser Duncan be his grandfather?
Yeah i believe so. The next Dunk and Egg will reveal
if all the children, green seers and green dreamers go into the wierwoods and the weirwoods actually feed on blood it’s not impossible to think that really could be weirwood seed paste. My main question is, if they have easy enough access to seeds, why dont they ever try replanting the white trees? Do the not possess the proper magic?
Where's the link to the evil childrens video??
Jon was not a bastard. Rhaegar Targaryen was wed to Lyanna Stark in secret by a septon. They were in love and beautiful despite their families proclivities.
Brilliant few things there I never thought of b4 and I listen 2 Roy Detrice read that 2 me every time I can’t sleep 😂 great analysis
Does Blood Raven skin change into Bran . I know series and book different. Bran just sounds and acts So different at end of tv series
YOUR RIGHT. EVERYTIME HE WAS REUNITED WITH SOMEONE AND THEY WOULD SAY BRAN??. HE WOULD SAY IM NOT BRAN ANYMORE.. IM THE THREE EYED RAVEN... HE KEPT SAYING HE WASN'T BRAN ANYMORE....BRAN ASKED WOULD HE BE IN A CAVE IN A TREE LIKE THE THREE EYED RAVEN.. THE THREE EYED RAVEN TOLD BRAN, DONT WORRY YOU WANT. I THINK BRAN DID DIE IN THAT CAVE AND THE THREE EYED RAVEN IS ON THE THRONE
Bro keep making content. Never stop
They can’t ALL be Crastor’s sons. Maybe they had other Crastors out there?
Not read the books but as soon as I saw Bran call Ned and people feeling his presence I started thinking that the mad kin went mad as the 3 eyed raven or one of his kind was doing it to the mad king. He kept hearing the voices and it drove him mad or something went wrong like with Hodor.