Great Empire of the Dawn Theory Iceberg (edited) - A Song of Ice and Fire - Game of Thrones
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- Newly edited w/ tons of new pictures! The complete Great Empire of the Dawn story, from Asshai to House Dayne to the Wall! From Azor Ahai and the Amethyst Empress to Jon and Daenerys, this is a close to a combined theory of everything that I have to offer! The original was 6 hours, so I've streamlined quite a bit (note: the Sothoryos section was cut altogether, because I've updated all those ideas in the Sothoryos video :)
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Commenting 8 seconds into a 3+ hr video to say thank you for saving my work night😭
No problem 😊 Happy to help
@@ryanwilliams9751 i know it's a Lightbringer video when I'm typing out a 3 paragraph essay before even getting ten minutes in 🤓😆
Facts!!
Gotta love it when lml drops a banger for a night shift
@@Cookie_chris I've done the 6pm to 6am in the past. Doing the whole nocturnal thing showed me a type loneliness I had no clue existed. I didn't watch this channel in those days but quality YT videos were like a dose of normality and engagement when everything felt so far off. It can be hard so I'm glad you have stuff like this
great empire of the dawn theories are the PEAK of ASOIAF, David is the reason I’m a House Dayne Fanboy
It literally HAS to be where it all comes together. I'm so ready for WoW
@@AttainTheGrain I think Great Enpire of the Dawn in the East and the Dawn Age in Westeros happened at the same time. Like LML talked about early in this stream, The Numenors (did I spell that right?) are the direct inspiration for Valyrian/GEOTD/Dayne but the Numenors were half elf. I know it in my plums that this is where the Children of the Forest come in but I cant quite piece it together. Im certain they taught humans the arts of dragon taming and riding. I just dont know when or why. We do know the people who taught the first humans to ride dragons were a people so old nobody remembers their name. When Bran asks Leaf for her real name, she says something like its too long for any human to remember. I think this is a direct referrence to the COTF and the people who taught humans to ride dragons are one and the same. Maybe the Pact was actually made by GEOTD and not First Men? GEOTD/Valyrians suddenly got dragons. What did the First Men get for this pact? Not dragons.
@williamhermann6635 something tells me the Children are very vaguely related to the dragons and not directly involved in their creation/coming (two totally different ideas).
I've been playing with the idea that maybe the whole soul stuffing idea isn't wrong , the gods of old Valyria may be real and / or ancestors of the current of Targs, and one of them might've defected in some way and hijacked the greensight network instead of going into a dragon's spirit (and is pulling strings as "R'hollor" and manipulating targs and others into world domination for valyria, over thousands of years).
That's one of the h3adcannons I've been working on recently. I love this series, lol.
@@AttainTheGrain I dont see why the COTF wouldnt be responsible for dragon taming. They can warg any other animal and seem to be in tune with all things nature. We even get a possible example of a COTF taming a dragon in the story. Nettles. Her description sounds like a COTF in disguise. And she tamed Sheepstealer. She definitely doesnt have Valyrian blood. Leaf says she walked among men for 200 years. That means Leaf was alive and walking amongst men during the time Nettles was alive. Theyre potentially the same character. COTF taught the First Men weirwood magic in Westeros, why couldnt they do the same with Bloodstone Emperor in the Far East? I think they taught Bloodstone Emperor to tame dragons who then went and founded Valyria. GRRM said Valyria was just coming into power around the time of the Long Night implying the GEOTD had already begun its migration seeing as BSE was the last Gemstone Emperor. Also, Valyria (and dragons) coming into power at this time could imply a correlation with the Long Night. Valyria and dragons could have convinced the COTF to then create The Others in response. Ice and fire.
You can't rush perfection but you can edit it!
I love these stripped down lives with art added! They make evening rest time after work so relaxing! Thanks for doing this, Dave! Appreciate you!🐈🦎
It's fun seeing the chat again and even better after some processing time on LMLs end
Idk why "road crew dragons" makes me laugh. Like valerian tax payers complaining about why they bother paying their live stock tax to the roadcrew dragons when the roads have potholes.😂
Can't watch this now, but I can comment on it. Let the algorithm pick this bad boy up!
I love the idea that *Westeros* is the weird exotic place filled with magic that the people from the civilized Essos came to in order to explore the magic.
Asshai and the the Great Empire simply have to be the same thing, because if they weren't there'd be lots of crazy myths about the two culture's interactions. Great chat btw.
I just got back from a work trip, showered and made my favorite meal. There is nothing I could have wanted to see more right now when opening youtube than an iceberg stream on the great empire of the dawn from LML. Thank you very much
Hope you didn't have a hard time travelling. I know it can be draining
I hope that Yi Ti animated show will bring us some great empire of the dawn or at least blood stone emperor lore.
It won't be an adaptation of any existing story and will be animated, so it could even be considered canon to the books if George wants it to be.
Did I watch the whole 6 hour original stream? Yes.
Am I going to watch this one anyway? Also yes 🖤
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@@DavidLightbringer only for over 5 years!
@@DavidLightbringer we need a members area with the full streams, even better stick em on spotify for the myth head OG'S
Gotta say thank you for all your hard work and dedication I will always support you Ser David Lightbringer.
YESSSSSSSS- theoretically putting it all together is just what i needed🙌 new fan! Been really enjoying the catalogue of content! The empire of the dawn is particularly interesting!
i listened to the whole 6 hr original & i fully intend to listen to this one too lmao
All Dyanna Dayne and Maekar Targaryen sons were dreamers i wonder why they all got this magical ability which is so rare even to Targaryens
This is an amazing idea 💡!
If Casterly Rock was one of the First Men castle with Weirwood wards like Storm's End and the High Tower, then you could say that Lann the Clever did literally invade and usurp a part of the Weirwood Net
Aaahhhh shieeeettt. There goes the rest of my evening. FU lightbringer, every time I think I’m off the stuff here you come with another dose.
Fuck yeah. Honestly, my favorite bit of deep lore. This is the key to everything. I know we wont get every question i have about GEoTD answered, but i do hope we get some kind of astral messaging or trippy visuals that hint aggressively at it. Just like the kingly ghosts Dany sees in the Undying, i hope we see something that wont mean much to the casual reader, but will scream Dawn Empire to us Myth Heads
14:50 I always thought George did that thing with the storm breaking parts of Dragonstone as an intentional thing, as if the storm god and the drowned god did not want Dany to be born. He keeps coming back to her being Storm-born
He's referring to the classic mythical struggle between the dragon and the storm God that you see all over the world. Robert and Rhaegar fighting is another iteration of this idea
I just got The World of Ice and Fire. Beautiful book. I can't wait to read.
I think this is as close as I've gotten to a live stream since HotD's last episode. I'm glad it's the Great Empire of the Dawn iceberg!
I’m relataively new to the the channel, but I’m glad to see the content it still ripe and fresh! I haven’t found a video I disliked! I am also glad that you have continued to show signs of improvement over all this time! Makes me hopeful for the future of your ASOIAF dissections in the future! Keep up your great works!!!
0:01 david lightbringer starts talking
I started going "silver" at 16 🤣... Now at 29 I have a head full. Thanks Dad 🤣.
Commenting early in, but re-hearing that part where Dany sees the what might be the people of the Great Empire of the Dawn was interesting after all the theories we have now. They were looking at her, telling her to wake the dragon, and then SHE became the dragon. That goes along with the draqomorph theory well, I think! That it was them who made the dragons out of the Valyerions!
DAVE THIS IS THE ONE I WAS WAITING FOR
Praise Garth!
I like the idea that dragons once roosted on Battle Isle. Does that mean it is volcanic in nature?
Because I have an idea that Leyton and Malora are hatching a dragon from an egg laid by Tessarion, maybe she had her lair in Battle Isle
Yayyy! So excited to have a new video to watch today! Thank you for all your content Dave. It’s always a joy to listen!
Relating the Daynes to the faithful Númenóreans makes me think of the kings men that stayed under saurons influence to eventually die in the sinking of numenor(they also practiced human sacrifice, as the valyrians did). The valyrians began their colony where slavery, blood magic, industry and greed were their priorities, leading to the doom. The Daynes fled to westeros long before that with dawn, not succumbing to the dark path the valyrians eventually did. Seeing the parallels between the two groups makes me wonder if there's more george was inspired by from that story that can help explain what happened to cause the doom, the dragonlords origins etc
id guess so, he seems to really like some of the core Silmarillion stuff
Wow when I first started this thing I was like “there’s no way it’s edited down like this AND it’s four hours long??” Great stream, this stuff is particularly suited to the iceberg format.
These icebergs are so perfect for work. Thank you!!
Dave the youtuber that was promised coming to save the work day once again
If Qarth as a civilization is a bit of a prototype or farcical imitation of the Great Empire of the Dawn, then their "Pureborn" rulers, sitting on "wooden thrones of their ancestors" and "dreaming" could be rather than meaning they themselves represent Grreenseer kings, but implying they are an imitation of the true Greenseer kings of the GotD
i tend to agree yeah, and have been thinking about this lately
Because of you the GEOD has become my Roman Empire. Everything is connected. The Targaryens/Valyrians have to be direct descendants from the Amethyst Empress
What’s GEOD??
@@Raufi1917great empire of the dawn
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Ok, not sure if you have ever touched on it, you probably have, but the Kabba Stone of Islam is a black piece of meteor that is worshipped. It is really cool to watch all of the Muslim pilgrims circumnavigating the Kabba.
I love your streams and videos. I can't always watch them right away but I always revisit as soon as possible. Amazing work as always.
🎶right there waiting for you🎶
I promise you brother when i am back at work, because i was laid off recently, the plant i worked in had to cut labor but when i get back to work and my income is steady again i really really want to send you a donation for all your work. youve helped teach me so much about this world and I GENUINELY mean that i WANT to contribute to the continued success of your channel. you are great content creator, and lore contemplator, ive never heard you ask for a dime and if did i would still feel the same way because i know you are as genuine with your work as much i genuinely appreciate it.
Ever notice how Dorne sounds a lot like the way GRRM pronounces "Dawn"?
I just remembered, there is another Elric story that supports the idea that ASOIAF Valyria mirrors Melnibone. In one of the stories, Elric goes to an island, which is kinda like Sothoryos, where he finds the original land of Melniboeneans, who lived in peace until chaos gods corrupted them and thought them to harness dragons. He also fights lizard people there, who are said to be descendants of these first Melniboneans.
I think I've read that one
@@DavidLightbringer I can't remember what the title was, unfortunately.
Fascinating!! I love anything and everything House Dayne and how it ties into the Great Empire of the Dawn. Thanks for this, David! 😊
I daydream about Bjork playing Euron. Loving the iceberg, by the way.
Good work LML always workn hard on these edited lives
1:28:30 you could call Jon the Winter Soldier
12:30 on the Five Forts, i believe it's stated that each could garrison thousands of warriors. I wonder if these fortresses were ever used for their intended defence role? I would just love to check them out with an archaelogy team
The Five Forts could hold 10,000 men each, allegedly. Of course, its 12,000 year old history, told by people who were as far away from it as humanly possible, so take it with a grain of salt.
@@nicholasszabo5954 I was thinking 10K also but didn't have time to look it up. Thanks for finding the quote!
0:01 reading rhaegar in a disguise starts talking
Excited to listen to this while debugging - whether it's my code or my flower pots or unfortunately my apartment! 0:01
But I could have sworn you already did this video?
You have truly blessed us holy Garth
I wonder if a dragon egg could be considered a stone that came from the sky
17:48 David, again great video! I love that you tied Numenor here. They arrived at the island following Earendil whose body and whole ship was turned into a star. His son Elros would have brought Narsil from their home in Beleriand and became their first king. It only makes sense that down through ages the sword would have eventually come to Elros’s brother Elrond Half-Elven which makes all these individuals Aragorn’s, as much as Arwen’s, ancestors.
54:57 OOO ANOTHER BLACK SOUL-DRINKING SWORD is Nightblood from Brandon Sanderson’s Cosmere!!
Ladies and gentlemen... David "We'll get to that.." Lightbringer..
*Claps ferociously*
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Maybe they put some fire worms inside people and bind them with magic to make the valyrians, like in Children of Dune, Leto II Atraides does that but with baby sand worms and a LOT of spice, and thats how he becomes a sandworm god 🤔 he and the worms became one
🏹🏹🏹🏹🏹 BAM we in here, shooting back at them Scorpion bolts. GET IN EARLY, FOLKS!
Oh, and make sure to watch it twice, especially if you're watching on double speed, or 1.5. YT only logs your actual watch time, not how much of the video you watch. If like me, you're watching on 2x speed, you're only gonna log just under 2 hours of watch time. So, twice!
Essential viewing
YOOOOOO WHAT!!!!!
Also David I hope one day you’ll be doing breakdowns and theory’s of my book series. I’m taking MANY notes and inspirations, because even if one or a few of your theory’s about ASOIAF are true many won’t be, but are still amazing and mind boggling! My series has dinosaurs as a large part of the world, but also “magic” thank you!
Omg hell yeah I needed this today buddy
Been waiting so effing long for this!!! Been dying to hear some details about where it all began. Kudos to you my friend. Many thanks
Perfect start to a 4 day weekend/sleep-in ☺️
I always love your organization!! My brain works the same way and the visuals of the maps and such are soo helpful 👏🏽📚
Well it’s been like a week since I saw the unedited version time for a rewatch I guess😂 Amethyst empress here I come😂
I did add more art to enjoy!!
Oh captain, my captain!
Mind shattered like only an oily blood moon magick meteor can. Great stuff David write your own universe please.
Man I really wish you played elden ring. There are a lot of parallels in elden rings lore.
There's swords from the meteors, one glows white.
There's a bleeding star god called the formless mother, who requires her servants to wound her and use blood to gain power.
There's lunar princesses who use cold magic.
And so much more
I think he mentioned previously that he will make a livestream with someone that knows the lore of both.
Been waiting for this one since you announced it praise Garth
These icebergs are soooo good to listen to when working.
Woohoo! Can't wait, it's the david cut! Lol
I like the idea that the GEotD had these magical swords that were very hard to make even with their advancements and magical knowledge and the bloodstone emperor came up with a way to make magical swords just as good if not better that was way less time and monetarily consuming…it just required a bit of human sacrifice.
ah yes, my favorite stream edited down. (ive watched the original a few times already, lets go!)
I had never really thought about it until you discussed how Blackfyre can be taken to mean Blood Stone, but now I find it very interesting that House Targaryen has both the swords Blackfyre and Dark Sister and the Bloodstone Emperor killed his Sister and rival to usurp her.
I also started thinking about the Blackfyre 1st Rebellion where Daemon who carries Blackfyre is killed by Blood Raven, Dark sisters carrier, using Weirwood arrows. So Daemon Blackfyre being killed is like Azor Ahai going into the weirwood net
44:03 I am so glad I paused the video before you said that because my new roommate just walked into the room
Ohhh yesss thus is what I needed Friday morning 🎉
Thursday afternoon for me 😊 I love that mythheads all over can learn from this
Its the best to be able to connect with fellow mythheads! I dont know anyone in real life that's into ASOIAF
.@ThommyofThenn
@@Liizardqueen90 :(
Dont be sad ❤ happy to be part of this community and i have plently of others in my life. Most of my friends watch the shows just don't get into the books @@ThommyofThenn
@@ThommyofThenn don't be sad 🙂 have plenty of people in my life they just like the shows and not the books 😅
David remind ppl to like your videos. It helps the algorithm
If we're going the Elrik paralel route, might as well go the whole way. The fact that its Dawnbringer and not Storm-something is likely Martin's clue that the ASOIAF is indeed mirroring the tale of Elric btw. And so, by taking it a logical conclusion, mirroring the ending of Elric's tale, the long night was then caused by the Dawnbringer sword. Also the Cage Color Out Of Space was amazing. It was a shitshow, but it was amazing. Also also, by the same parrallel, the Old Town is the castle of the sleeping sorceress.
And the biggest bombshell right at the end - perfect🎉
Good morning to meeeeee 😁 thanks David! Excited to watch
I do love the art that you show, the molding and fusing of the stone makes my brain scream!!! Show me how!!
"They're always doing breeding stuff!"
The person that Elissa Farman sold the dragon eggs to was the Sea Lord of Braavos at the time while under a alias of Alys Westhill.
Thanks for another great stream! Excited to get lost in the ASOIAF Lore!
It's so much fun to do!
another great video LML!
1:03:25 basically the start of the Age of Strife. It's also grimdark but on the more "fantasy" end than "sci-fi"
Regardless of if you're on a distant planet, or a remote colony far from your homeland, the idea of suddenly being (probably permanently ) cut off from all facets of familiarity and realising you're now totally isolated is horrific to me.
It's fun to see common themes across genres and I would argue that both are at their best when used to examine deeper, longer held themes like loneliness, love and the need most have for a connection to a homeland
Thought: What if Asshai was the capitol before succumbing to its own variation of doom in the shadow and taint that now defines that peninsula. The Amethyst bloodline fled the moon meteor drama and founded Valyria much like the Targs later used their trade outpost as a jumping off point to conquer westeros.
Or is this what you're building to? I have to get ready for work, I won't be able to finish this video before the weekend. 😢
A show (maybe animated) based on the empire would be so cool to see. They could use the empire as the origins of R’hllor, the Long Night and then Valyria
maybe the one with purple eyes went against the others wishes by teaching the valerians dragon magic .
Something worth watching
*a sacrifice to the Algorithmic Gods!*
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Perfect timing, David! Looking forward to having this on tonight.
Might of missed it, but have you ever looked at the pearl emporor as a white comet. Only begotten son of the maiden of light and lion of the knight. A good moon meteor if you will. Worshipped for 10000 years. Worked into a sword and raised back to the heavens (line of gemstone emperors). The first celestial power of heaven on earth. Starts the white weirwood magic.
Black oily meteors come later. Bring the black magic trees or corrupt the original weirwoods. Darker magic etc...
some have specialties about that Pearl Emperor as a symbol of a white meteor, yes. The one the first wave of Dawn swords were made from. it could be but we need more info
Dragons can't fly passed the wall; which made what happened on the show impossible
Excellent video as always. So much to ponder.
Thinking about the apparent post-cataclysm exodus from GEotD (moving across Essos, to the Reach, Starfall, the Iron Islands etc) I'm struck by the echoes we see in the Roynar, but just in the other direction. Leaving home, travelling far, people get left behind as they go, spreading out and affecting the culture where they end up, some die, some thrive, etc etc.
The mariners from the Empire of the Dawn who set up supposed colonies across the west remind me of the ancient Phoenicians, a people who did the same across the Mediterranean who emerged from the late Bronze age collapse.
Also they would have used the stars to navigate the Mediterranean so it some symbolism with the Dayne's following a falling star.
Oh hot mama! Something to re-enjoy all evening! Always doing great work.
I had a good time here.
happen to click on this video and saw that im in the chat at the beginning xD "real empire of the dawn hours"
1:09:58 It's a shame we don't actually have a full world map, or know how much of the world the map we do have covers. A meteoroid breaking up like that would leave its debris along a great circle, and that circle could be traced.
Yes David mate. Great vid! Your the goat at symbolism brother. Thank you.
I think a willing sacrifice will create a white sword (like dawn)and an unwilling one creates the black swords (valryian steel)
This video saved my life...😢
we all love the Great Empire of the Dawn ❤️
The Welsh word pen means head or leader. Pendragon, or Pen Draig, meant head dragon, or chief dragon. The same is true for Penguin, pen and gwyn, which mean “head” and “white” in Welsh. x
At around 1:54:24 talkin about the monkey tails and yin tar. It give me vibe of what a foreigner would describe Chinese folks of old. How they had their long ponytail, remember Jackie Chan in wild wild west, outsiders could see it as a hat ??? Maybe
I've always felt that side of the fictional world mirrored real world to a degre, as most demographics in the story do. And when lightbringer brought up yin yang, I felt understood hahaha
Jokingly, of course, but i just imagine George seeing a video like this and thinking damnit David Lightbring figured it out!! And the story is delayed further.