A picture mean a thousands words they say lol. Anyway I always want to know more about the White walker since they have so little air time. The majority of the time you'll see the human plotting, waging wars to killed each others in large scale and sacrificing a screaming girl to the burning hot fire. The Night king on the other hand able to converted a baby without any pain or suffering. In a way, the Night King remind of Thanos. They both want to created a world without wars, hungers, diseases and even death. Once resurrected a blind can see, a crippled can run and any diseases including cancer will be cured. This how they'll never need water or food? Maybe you can help me out Stasis - a slowing or stoppage of the normal flow of a bodily fluid or semifluid: such as. a : slowing of the current of circulating blood. b : reduced motility of the intestines with retention of feces.
@@comradecat7714 Sad but true. I normally don't care all that much about disappointing movies and TV shows, but GoTs has me incensed because they literally had every single thing lined up to make a great ending. Fortunately I don't think the fandom will ever forgive them for it.
Slowly reading the books after having seen the show. I think Cersei should have been the villain of Season 8 and they have to get rid of her. Then, in Season 9, Dany slowly becomes a problem and she has to be killed. It ends with The Long Night commencing and the snow doesn't stop falling until the Night King is defeated at the end of the 10th season.
I wanted Varys on the throne. He could be the real king behind an "official king" who was just a frontman, pawn, to fool the masses. It was kinda like that with Jeoffrey and Tywin. Jeoffrey was a teenager and just into pleasing his narcissistic cruel nature completely clueless about ruling. He was just into power so he could be a vicious bastard without having to deal with consequences for his actions. Boy, did that come back to bite him. He was also a gigantic coward.
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT! And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die. Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again. And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world. You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
The sad part is though, Nerd Soup are now, in May 2019, defending the same "paint by numbers" lazy hack writing they are insisting couldn't possibly be the ending of the show here.
After a bloody battle for throne, the dead soldiers starts pile up, humanity at it's weak. Then comes the walkers and they wreck westeros proving how fragile humans and pathetic the wars are.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how is the rant that is meant to be a complete mockery of the worst case scenario actually end up being the one theory that is most accurate.
@@Philitron128 The 6 and 7 Books will tell a diferent story. George Martin said that in 6 & 7 books he write his own end. The serie is the serie, the books are the books. Point.
The story isn’t over yet. The army of the dead has been defeated but think of the casualties...almost all of the Dothraki savages (which were the bulk of Dany’s army), and literally over 100,000 soldiers. Cersei has the upper hand now.
@@fro_e Yeah and she faced no consequences whatsoever, same for basically everyone else that always ignored the "big threat", except for three secondary characters and a bunch of warriors no one cares about. Anyone could have written a much better story about """""The long night""""" with what they had... so fucking stupid.
A lot has been revealed since this video, it's confirmed that the White Walkers were created by the Children of the forest to use as a weapon in their war with the first men, the Night King was created from one of the first men they captured. It was established that later the Walkers rebelled against the children and could very well be the reason there are not too many left (assuming the ones we saw killed were not the last in existence). They are essentially a doomsday weapon run amok, like Skynet or the Reapers, who are so driven by their purpose to consume all that no one can hope to control them. The 'bittersweet' ending GRRM speaks of could be that in order for the White walkers to be subdued, someone must become the Night King, return them all north of the wall, and keep them there for all eternity. Jon would likely be the one to make this sacrifice, plunging a shard of dragon glass into his own heart and stopping the army of the dead in their tracks. He'd save the day, but would have to spend eternity in the land of always winter so the army of the dead will forever sleep. the sweet part could be Danaerys discovering she's pregnant with Jon's child and we see the son of a King of Ice and a Queen of fire, a "prince that was promised".
u put so much time into this, but ur wrong lol, white walkers were only created by children of the forest in the show. If u really wanna know ur shit...read the books
I thought so too that the white walkers are made from the children of the forest to protect themselves from the men. (based on the movie) "did not read the book"
@@basikk5808 It is a conversation about the show, not the book. Well mostly. Do you have something of use to add? I never understand why people think books carry more value then video. It's a fantasy story, Like a lot of fantasy stories they get changed a bit when made for TV. It is no longer the creation of one person but several. Making them 2 very separate things sometimes. Not always a bad thing. Glad you like books, that don't make you more informed on what goes on during the GoT show.
@@quor2243 I dont inherently think one is superior to the other but I think the reason for the common notion that the book is usually better is that sometimes thousands of pages but hundreds typically, get crammed down into a very condensed format, losing a lot of backstory, character development and nuance that is lost. It isnt terribly uncommon to see a movie adaptation where they didnt have the greenlight for multiple movies and budget was limited, so they jammed multiple novels into one movie that ends up having more deleted scenes than runtime and many hours of shooting left on the cutting room floor, and many scenes from the book that would be considered crucial, not shot at all. With a novel the only budget is the writers time so often what you get is very refined, they have spent an exhaudtive amount of time writing and rewriting to give you the best version of the story, maybe taking years to come out with it. I am not sure how to explain it exactly, but i also thing there is a big difference in many ways between hollywood writers and everyday writers. They live in a big money fast paced world, again budget is always a concern, its just different and in many ways constrained. You also occasionally have the issue where a work is popular but there isnt much source material so they stretch it, like the hobbit movies. Or a prime example is anime, they are usually based on manga periodicals or graphic novels and often come out at a snails pace and the show will get caught up with its source material and start inserting filler written by some random person with no connection to the original author. Sometimes these issues are addressed well and you get a good movie adaptation.
that's part of the mythos, you don't exactly know if it's true or not. If they would have gone farther into the Lands of Always Winter this would've been more probable
tbh i’m kinda glad they didn’t, one because i’m sure they’d somehow mess it up given how the story actually ends but secondly because i’m scared af of spiders.
Jaime Lannister You have your head, but if you or Tyrion don't get to producing some heirs, your house will be dead and fade away, your name will only be associated with oathbreaking and incest, until every memory of the Lannisters is gone while the Starks rule the North.
Pumuckl Everything will go extinct by time...So the Stark and every other living creature as well. The Lennisters died A LONG time ago, Even before my dad.
Jaime Lannister Tywin was probably the first useful thing in the Lannister family and produced only one useful heir and that heir is heading for Westeros to kill the useless part of his family. Your house always sucked, only the aforementioned members are worth something.
You refer to Tyrion, yes? Well in all reality he is likely the by-product of The Mad King raping his mother, so he is a Targaryen as well as a Lannister. So he is *actually* heading to kill the useless part of his family, alongside the batshit crazy part of his other family.
7:53 this is why it bothers me that the wall got broken down so easily because of a dragon. The wall played a huge purpose of the show, took thousands of years to build, was enchanted, its sole purpose was to keep the white walkers out, etc. but the white walkers didn’t have to break a sweat because of a dragon. Pretty disappointing. There should’ve been an epic battle.
I agree. And if a wight dragon can take down the wall, then at least the Night King should've been susceptible to dragonfire. I mean what was that about..
I think narratively it makes sense. Game of Thrones is pretty consistent in that people making the choice to try to help without knowing all the circumstances can lead to bigger consequences.
Maybe they are just cold. Gonna laugh if they get south of the wall, thaw out, then be like "thank the gods! We are finally free of that icy curse!", then all have chicken and beer together.
I think it's important to mention that they always said "A stark must always be in Wiinterfell" and until recently, there always was. Maybe that was the pact they agreed on many years ago... But when Ned was killed and after the red wedding when all but 4 (now 3) died and the Boltons took Winterfell (after Euron tried but failed hard). Maybe this broke the pact/agreement. Maybe this is a reason why Torrhen Stark "The King Who Knelt" decided not to be wiped out by the Targaryens all those years ago because there had to be a Stark in Winterfell to prevent the breaking of the treaty. And If the Nights King was a stark, Torrhen could of known this treaty since the King of the North two succesions back (if i'm remembering correctly) would have known since that's why he defeated his kin. Maybe Ned's dad also knew but didn't tell his sons because of his untimely demise to the Mad King, Just an interesting theory.
“Now listen, we know you guys are more trusty than those meth-head Boltons, so we’re leaving you in charge, keep the other men behind the wall, and if they get past at least keep them as far from us as possible. IF YOU STOP RULING we will come over and kick your friend’s shit in. Agreed?” “Agreed.” 2000 years later… “Hehe, red wedding go brrrrr.”
The White Walkers had been active again beyond the wall for the first time in thousands of years long before this point, the deserter Ned kills when his children find the Direwolves was fleeing the Watch because his patrol was butchered by a White Walker. They were already stirring and gathering an army of Wights well before the War of Five Kings.
But white walkers were killing men at the very start of story That knight's watch guy ran from them and ned beheaded that guy so obviously starks were in winterfell so this doesn't make sense why were they rising and killing human when starks were in winterfell
My theory: The night king is not some evil, but a position of responsibility. The night king can and was never defeated but instead, everytime he comes south of the wall, a stark has to kill him to become the new night king, leading the dead back north and waiting there until he has served his time and it is his time to pass on the burden to another stark. Now lets assume that brandon stark is the current night king. That would mean that, when finally jon snow kills the night king, he is killing his brother, sacrificing himself to give humanity a few more decades. Since the night king can never be killed, this means that there always have to be some starks left close to the wall to take on the duty-> "There must always be a stark in winterfell" That means that every time the white walkers are "defeated", the starks are just waiting for them to come back. "Winter is coming"
My guess is they are a powerful, destructive tool. Created out of desperation and (understandable) hatred. When the children of the forest created them, there might have not been any control for them, and thus they quickly turned out to be a danger to all living beings. So when the Children of the Forest and mankind joined forces, they created the knight king as a means of controlling them and keeping them in check. So basically, their only purpose is to be a constant threat that must always be kept in check by sacrifice.
@Chase Bradley-West i honestly never read into the warcraft lore but please explain? Do you mean the Lich King with his Zombies? isn't he more of a bad guy?
@@LuvFearlessly got butchered by a teen who doesn't even know about anything about them. On the other hand the person who knew a lot about white walkers was roaming around to please his queen.
@Luna Rose Everything else in the legend was stated in a crystal clear manner, so spiders should also be. Otherwise it would be pretty damn retarded and inconsistent story.
No it doesn't matter. The writers jerked us around for almost a decade. Any & all discussions, comments, theories etc... we've all had about the Night King were exercises in futility. Why was he even a character? And what's up with the non explanation? Lazy writers? There had better be some REALLY great reason for this or they are assholes. I am so disgusted. Who else feels this way? Is it just me?
I thought it was all pretty straight forward. They said a hundred times he wants darkness, to kill the humans and all life, as was his purpose when he was created by the children of the forest. He was a weapon of the Children that backfired on them. He wanted to kill Bran because he is the magical keeper of human history(the 'Giver' I guess). I'm not sure what more people were expecting. I heard some wild theories but never took any of them too seriously. He was a glorified zombie, whose narrative purpose was to unite the North, Vale, Wildlings, Dani, Dothraki, unsullied and many others. To give Dany real allies in the seven kingdoms who were not previously fond of Targaryens and bring Targaryen rule back onto the table without prolonged bloodshed between everyone in the seven kingdoms. Also the wall, it's magic, and the night king could have been responsible for the screwed up seasons. I'm just glad to be passed this zombie apocalypse to be honest.
@Roger the Space Marine There are no excuses for the 'battle plan.' I don't think it was quite as simple as an obvious trap and hiding in a tree, but what we got was ridiculously awful. That said yes, it also served to weaken Dany's position. She seemed nearly unstoppable before, and now her personal army is shaved down thin and she is down to two injured dragons, and she kind of needs the north to help her get the throne, who again aren't particularly keen to serving a Targaryen.
@Roger the Space Marine Those Whitewalkers and Whites in the courtyard were all 'at ease' at the Night Kings control. Just like earlier in the episode by the flaming moat. Of all of the episodes problems, this one doesn't qualify. It was just how the situation played out. He thought it was checkmate and dropped his guard but she got the drop on him. If we can say she could have just hid in a tree(with no leaves in the winter), then he could have flown down uncontested and torched the tree first. lol Fortunately for DnD, going down to take on Cersei right away as a terrible strategic move is not out of character for Dany or Jon. From what I've seen they are terrible strategic minds. Perhaps the 3eR is unwilling to help her and goes back north of the wall, and/or perhaps she feels overconfident with dragons and 3eR and that is her downfall. Hubris. Dany, like her brother, has little patience. Something like waiting out the Golden Army over the winter is more in Tywin's strategic wheelhouse. Or maybe Cersei does go north with the army because she can't wait. Strike while the iron is hot. They can sail north with the boats they came over on along with Euron's fleet. It's not unthinkable to go in the winter, they could bring plenty of supplies for a campaign that wouldn't be very long, hole up in any of the currently empty castles if need be. Winterfell is in no shape to hold off a siege for any period of time and almost all of Cersei's opposition is in one place. All that said I'm not entirely confident whatever plays out will all be above board either. lol I'll just wait and see and enjoy the ride for what little is left. We'll get some fan service stuff like cleganebowl or whatever and wait for Martin to finish the cannon material.
@Roger the Space Marine 1) Bad conjecture is also: She should just have hid in a tree 2) I know the writing hasn't been great. That's not my argument. Characters are allowed to make bad decisions, but it has to be believable. This episode failed at this in many places, Dothraki charge, or having any troops in front of the moat. Not flying up and down the moat line frying them, not firing any arrows or projectiles at targets standing still, almost every main character lived and a lot more probably should have died. My argument is that I didn't need the Night King to be so integral to the show's conclusion. I didn't need anymore crazy time travel 3eR twist. He's the keeper of knowledge. NK wanted him dead. That's it. I'm ok with that. I was never too excited for this storyline as it were. 3) But the Night King story line overall wasn't for nothing on the grand scheme of the saga. Without him the north would have likely wanted to remain sovereign and had to battle Dany at some point. Instead we have an alliance between Dany, North, Vale, and even Jamie Lannister which should be consequential. These are pretty impactful repercussions. The episode was very bad at parts and very clumsy, but we got through it and can all move on now from the Walking Dead. The two episodes leading up to this one were IMO excellent and I want more of that in the next three. 4) She did get the drop on him, but only until he eventually saw her running up to him through the other whitewalker's eyes. Probably when she broke the front line and hit the open area right behind the night king they spotted her. If a whitewalker is standing perfectly still and she silently runs past them from behind there is no way he would be able to react in time, because he wouldn't see her until she was already passed. And how was he supposed to know this little girl had mad skillz like that? sheesh He literally held her for three seconds before she dropped the knife but...you first get his reaction and then hers, but really they happen at the same time. You are literally complaining he didn't finish her in 1.5 seconds. Theon did the Shredder charge and night king had his counter attack planned, with Arya he was startled for a literal second and a half. 5) 3eR helping them would make her even more overconfident to just go and get this over with, even or especially against Tyrion's advice. It's called a character flaw and she has it. Maybe the 3eR doesn't give a crap about who is on the throne, and not want to be involved in it at all. He is not Bran anymore. None of it is that strong but real people have made worse tactical decisions in real life. Like say...umm...Hitler invading Russia? At least she does have two dragons. 6) This is not comparable to an invasion of a country with 170 million people. Scale matters for that comparison. It's literally one massive fort filled with all her enemies with an entire section of wall blown completely out and tens of thousands of bodies lying around. And they can at least sail a good portion of the way there. That would not be crazy or at all out of the question. Stannis' army had been fighting for a long time. They had limited resources, were starving, lost tons of battles, and facing a fully fortified Winterfell. But we both know this will not happen either way. Dany is going to go south. For entertainment reasons they won't do another Winterfell battle so they will just come up with some reason that isn't really good enough. lol 7) I don't think the Arya thing was one of the bad writing areas here, that was the bright spot of the episode for me, that and being denied a Snow/King showdown(especially the scene where he turns around and raises them before snow gets there, DENIED). I'm glad they punted on that, would have been dull IMO. Bonus) it would be great if the seasons go back to normal now that the wall is down and Night King dead.
The Night King is actually Brandon Stark. We already know that when he is green seeing into the past, he can affect the future in a constant loop (like Hodor). His yelling of Hold the Door in present time caused young Hodor to change and therefore be there when he yells Hold the Door in the future. Therefore, he tried to prevent the White Walkers. First attempt: He went back to King Aerys II (the Mad King) and warged into him to make him use wildfire to burn the White Walkers. However, this future/past warging drove him crazy, like how Hodor became braindead, making him burn King's Landing instead. Second Attempt: He tried to figure out how the First Men defeated the White Walkers, but he arrived late and instead, built the Wall as Bran the Builder (but it still didn't work since the wall was destroyed). Third Attempt: He traveled back to when the Children of the Forest created the Night King, but the children didn't know him at the time, so they captured him and made him into the Night King. As the Three-eyed raven warned before, "it is beautiful beneath the sea, but stay too long and you will drown". This is why the Night King can see Bran in his visions and possibly raise the dead by warging into multiple beings. Because Bran's manipulation of the past is in a cycle, present-day Bran doesn't know the result because he didn't experience it yet. This can explain what he was doing at the Battle of Winterfell. He is shown warging into ravens to see the Night King. When he sees the massive number of wights, he might've attempted these three things when he realized chances for victory are slim. However, little does he know, these attempts just caused him to become the Night King, completing the loop. Also, the Night King (future Bran) kills the old three-eyed raven since he hid the truth from Bran.
Glenn Maes GOT writer: wow this is a cool theory. GOT director: should we put it in the show GOT writer: lol no GOT director: maybe just some back story GOT writer: nooooo
It matters. Because one of the cruelest things is to not know why. So many people died, those that lived deserve to know why. Also in the show the children of the forest created the white walkers did they not. So their motivations might be a bit different.
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT! And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die. Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again. And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world. You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
I absolutely loved everything about the show. Right up to the ending. Dany slaughtering everyone and going mad was crushing to me. Then the ending of the white walker war. So quick and easy. No story of why or what in conclusion. It just felt like a huge blow up to a massive explosion bit no. Just pop
The whole TV series was ruined for me, I actually get irritated watching old episodes or things on the series now knowing how it turned out. The only thing I still enjoy is the music that's literally the only thing I can think of that didn't get completely ruined.
@@BamaChad-W4CHD I watched a bit of an old episode with my roommate a couple years ago, got so annoyed with almost everything happening because I couldn't get the thought that none of these plotlines develope into anything worthwhile. All the character development of the series was completely thrown out by that end, such cheap answers to costly plots
Any kind of explanation as to why the white walkers exist and hate humanity and why they travelled south to fight humanity would have RUINED them completely. Do you really want that? The books aren't gonna explain any of that, and that's a good thing. Their whole mystique is that they're clearly very intelligent but their desires and motives are completely foreign and alien and unknowable, they're more like a force of nature than a species. That's what makes them good. Do you seriously want the night king to sit down with tyrionn, sharing a bottle of wine, so he can explain why he hates humans? Their whole thing is that while all the humans on the island are worrying about relatively meaningless things like land and a throne, the white walkers are here to end the world completely. That's why they're interesting.
And here I am still trying to figure out how the white walkers knew how to wrap a chain around a damned dragon and pull it out of the lake. Hell, where the fuck did the chain even come from?
Things is most people consider White Walkers as only undead fighters ! But if not ? I mean they're probably smart guys. So, asking there servants to find chains and get back this damn dragon souldn't be that hard. Fuc*, thay have undead bears, giants and probably more to come in the next season.... why the hell they couldn't have some chains ?
It's so sad to go back and watch these videos and think about how excited everyone was and all the awesome theories only to see how d&d didn't just drop the ball, they tied the ball to an acme rocket and watched it fly off and explode Wiley Coyote style!
The white walkers just want to chat for once. Just let them be and they will tell you interesting things, I made a friend called Dave who is a white walker
He has them but he needs to find them. Like, he can go back in time but he only knows the direction he goes, as shown when Sam talks to Bran Stark and Bran hadn't known about Dany until he looked into the past.
Mind that in the books WWs are not wrinkly old skeleton men, they possess an otherwordly scary kind of beauty, which should be both terrifying and might be attractive to humans. i'd never marry a lady that speaks through ice shrieks but i mean if good ol' night's king liked it rough...
So what are you trying to say is that night king is Brandons great great great.. grandad and he was just trying to hug him when he tought he was atacking him?
possible , knwing that the night king was capable of seeing and interacting with bran , couldn't he just slash him dead or rip him off , why did he just grab him xD bran needed an adult after that bad touch xD
That episode where we found out the Bran controlled Hodor, and we got the back story about the children of the forest and how they may have created the white walkers, that was bordering on a religious experience for me. It was so perfect. I wish that either the books or show would complete this story in a satisfying way. I'm still on the edge of my seat.
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT! And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die. Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again. And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world. You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
@@apolloptx Episode was ruined but your comment is world class. Man you made my day. So right. All cliché and fan service. But biggest disappointment was NK being present the least , done nothing and loses so fast. His generals not even in action and why and what he wanted not explained. What was Bran and NK connection also not explained. All dumb but action was still good.
RR Martin told the writers of the show the general direction he was going for. So uhh why dont you just wait for your precious books lulz. The NK all he wants is death. How can anyone else think differently lol.
This was the direction GRRM wanted though? Altough some event would obviously have been different but the White walkers have always been the biggest threat in the show. The show would definitely be better if he had finished the books and was more involved in the latest seasons though which is a shame.
Don't worry, Dany will come and give the army of the dead one of her long winded speeches about how she can free them from slavery from the WW and then they will bend the knee to her and everyone is safe. The end
sleuth 2077 The dead army doesn’t have free will. They are basically empty vessels that are controlled by the white walkers. Without the control of the white walkers they do not exist.
I think the Night King wants Gilly's baby. It was supposed to be the 100th child offered by Craster to the Night King and might be a successor to NK. The baby was promised to him.
If the white walkers reproduce by the night king turning babies then the night queen shouldn’t have been able to give birth, Brandon starks daughter couldn’t have had a baby with a male white walker. We also never see female white walkers so was the night queen the last one? Can white walkers only reproduce with humans but not with each other? How do we know the nights queen was a white walker...maybe she was a targaryen.
@@tpattison1125 Just because craster only offered male babies doesn't mean their can be female walkers. We still don't even know the truth being his pact or deal with the ww
* Random Theorist making 20 minute long videos on white walkers, azhor ahai, children of the forest * Dumb & Dumber : We're about to end this man's career
Yes, I refer to him usually as the alien cricket. He accepts it as reference I'm pretty sure, lol. A man kept it simple tonight.Yes, they're TOP Notch. All around. And they cover a variety of stuff and most movies suspiciously close most of the time. The lord of light lit my bong tonight. I saw Brandon(NK)X-with a sword and wheels on fire in the light, I'm going to take this as a sign..Valar Morghulis.
The show will make it good VS evil. The book will be a grey area. They skipped the fake aegon/blackfyre/mummers dragon and lots of grey themes. They just show the nights king and cersei as evil/mad. It's a shame how its slowly devolved from a morally complex show into a black and white good vs evil story. But I still enjoy the show greatly.
I mean to say, they have written and played the characters well enough that their actions are logical and make sense. Cersie isn't evil, she is just the way she is now. She used to be evil just for fun but now it's easy to see that she is doing what she must for her goal to be accomplished. The white walkers are the same. We don't know anything about them except that they kill people to create their army, not knowing their motive or anything. Their motive could be to kill all humans, but isn't that humans' goal for them? Do I want Jon Snow to win? Sure, but not because I think that the white walkers and Cersie are evil forces.. it's because I like Jon Snow and he seems like a person who would do more good that Cersie can and I don't want him to die again so there goes me rooting for the knight king.
Here's what GRRM himself says* about the moment Sam stabs an 'Other' with dragonglass: "it works: the spells are shattered and it is melting before him." Not 'dragonglass is like kryptonite to the Others', or even 'it's the one thing that can kill a White Walker'. No, instead, dragonglass apparantly breaks "the spells" that hold a White in it's form. Making them not living creatures at all but artificial facsimiles forged in Ice and Blood. This seems to suggest that Crasters sons were NOT altered or possessed, they did not then grow over decades to become the 'creatures' we know as the Others. The babies lives were taken, their lifeforce used to fuel the spell which animated the large ice-crystal monolith's at the sacrificial site. Instantly producing a fully formed White Walker. From baby to Big Bad in one moment of dark magic. Dragonglass has not yet been explained - it's origins, it's innate magical properties. If it was a vital component in the spells, what effect could a sudden massive overdose - in the form of a stabbing blade or spear made from it - have on the walking crystalline statues we call the Others? *Quote from Sky Atlantic interview, 2017
hgwells allthewayfrom1899 wouldnt dragon glass be (as shown in the series) a component of the spell that created them, but since nature needs balance it too needs something that can kill them, the whole concept of natures balance is wildly shown in shows like the vampire diaries for example, with magic. Its what creates them, it should be what kills them...like in the Originals, white oak created them, it kills them too....okay im rambling on with references but is just hit me, what if the secret remedy to valyrian steel is that its imbued with dragon glass, is why they havent been reproduced since old valyria when there were still dragons hence the shortage of them, holy fuck lmao
In some fantasy settings, obsidian (very similar to dragonglass, if not obsidian itself), has anti-magic/magic weakening properties. It might back up the claim of Others being artificial beings.
End Game + Septan It's said we ourselves are (apparantly) 60% water - but we drown easily enough. We also (Google tells me) produce electricity - yet a bolt of lightning usually does the trick. And we allegedly evolved from fish - yet I could still be beaten to death with a wet haddock anytime soon. It could be that the same mineral found in dragonglass is also the precious metal of Valyrian steel. But this doesn't explain why there's a huge cache of it under Dragonstone. I like the Red Comet theory as the origin of it all. Maybe you've heard it? It goes: the same psychically charged comet from book/season 1 was orbiting close to the planet 8000 yrs ago. Planet drifts thru comets tail; meteors ("bleeding stars") hit the ground. One, so large it causes a near extinction level event - the "Long Night" (nuclear winter). The impact crater is a no-go -zone for 3000 yrs. Finally, the Valyrian's move in, naming the ring of volcanic islands the "fourteen fires". Mining, they discover the supernatural, otherworldly elements found nowhere else on the planet: dragonglass; the metal known as Valyrian steel; and fragments of the red crystal rock, of the sort that Melisandre wears around her neck. All of it the residue of the comets tail. All of it having properties some call "magic", enhancing psychic powers etc. And all of it the root source of the magic 'n monsters, sword 'n sorcery mayhem in the first place. Now whose rambling? Lol : ) It's possible dragonglass is something else altogether. But coincidentally, I see from googling that minerals, and even metals, actually have a crystalline structure...similar to ice 🤔
Septan I'm sure its been called obsidian also, book or show. Anti magic properties? If this is why it breaks the spell of Ice in human(ish) form, I wonder how it might affect Dany's dragons also? Could this be why it was horded under Dragonstone during the Targaryen dynasty? To protect those magical "fire made flesh" creatures?
hgwells allthewayfrom1899 yeah I think I remember Jon or Sam or Edd or someone calling it obsidian when they found it at the cradle of the first men or something, and then adding that it's also called dragon glass, I think lol, I'm not too certain on the particulars of the show - but that theory sounds interesting, a bit far fetched, but interesting I still think that the reason valyrian steel has a component of dragon glass in it, that hit me when Sam in S7 Ep1 said that the Targaryans used dragon glass to decorate their weapons not even knowing what it was used for, not too far from it being fused with the steel itself as for the mountain of the DG at dragon stone, I thought DG itself was made by dragons? it is after all the home of the Targaryans, very possible they used their dragons to form it , or was a byproduct of the dragons just fuckin around lmao
I have always wondered this! George R.R. Martin would never create a “bad” guy with no motivation for the sole purpose of creating conflict. But I could never figure out exactly what the night king wanted
I remember reading the books and being in awe with GRRM level of detail and information. That is its structure but its heart is in his characters and their imperfections and dynamics on an individual level and on a group level.
Well, actually, what you said is almost true: Jon and Danny rides Dragon, with the help of pretty much everyone that used to be their enemies except Cercei. 5:00
Wait wait... weren't the white walkers created by the children of the forest to fight man? You said they came from the far north and attacked man and CotF.. which is it? I've always heard the children made them to defeat man.
I thought of that (haven't read the books), but then there would be big errors. Because a lot of the history in the show is the same as what he was saying. Basically all of it besides the origin of the white walkers. Seems strange to change only that one thing for the show and make everything else right and do that wrong. Weird.
I was so excited when Jon fell into the frozen lake. I wanted him to be taken prisoner by the Night King and begin learning of the White Walker's motivations. I was disappointed when they did Deus Ex Benjin instead.
Goddamn, sooo much potential washed down the drain. There should've been a whole season or at the minimum 4 episodes dedicated purely for the White Walkers, explaining their reasons, morals, proper origins, etc.
I don’t really think of them as being truly conscious or autonomous (at least the show version. Currently reading the books). I got the impression they were meant to protect against humans and simply worked too well. I don’t think they have morals or thoughts, just a mission they were made for. But maybe it’s easy to feel that way when they don’t speak at all in the show (or just screech).
One theory suggested that the white walkers were the guardians of this world. And if human kind grew to violent, to horrible, they would clense the world. I guess we just have to lean back and wait for the next season
Theres no theory...The Forest Children made them to fight there battle with the First Men...Well...they proved SUPER EFFECTIVE and, like the Shoggoths, rebelled and threw down there masters.
Exactly. Everyone ignores the fact that what they are trying to save is a horrible society that lives under horrible circumstances. Savage and primitive. The white walkers and the Knight king obey something bigger than them
But what's different from now to what has happened in the past? Aegon's Conquest of Westeros, Robert's Rebellion, The Red Wedding, and so on. There have been more terrible, violent times than in the present-book-days. I don't think the White Walkers are that, because they themselves would be no different if they came to kill most of humanity. If they took out those who were too violent and horrible, then I would believe it. But they've killed people who were just ordinary and not that bad. No, I think the White Walkers are something else.
There is something related between Bran, The Night King, and Sam's baby. If you remember, a white walker attacked Sam and Gilly in previous seasons to get the baby, and Sam once watched a white walker take one of Craster's sons as an offering. Bran may morph into the past to try to negotiate with the Children of the Forest to prevent them of plunging their sword to stop creating white walkers, which will make him stuck in the past and potentially becoming the Night King because as you remember, the Three Eyed Raven once told Bran "if you stay too long in the past, you will drown". Anyways i hope Daenerys doesn't die lol
Seri H My guy The WW attacked them for Crastors last son so they Could Make another WW so they could live. Also the way Bran is acting in Season 7 not being himself is wat Brynden Rivers meant by drowning. Bran just lost himself because of his time in the past
I agree, George R R Martin doesn't like 1D characters. But a) they've gone beyond the books now and D&D seem to be bringing everything to a classic fantasy final battle. b) the Night King may be a force of nature villain rather than a character per se. You wouldn't criticise Cthulhu for being a 1D character without motivation, that's kind of missing the point.
I think George, like a lot of people, completely missed the point of Tolkien's war. It's certainly got elements of being Black & White (a Manichean Struggle), but there are subtle undercurrents that exist. For example, when Sam witnesses the battle in Ithilien between the Rangers of Gondor and a force of Southrons/Haradrim. Sam clearly thought it was horrific and he wondered what had compelled the warrior of Harad, who literally dropped dead at his feet, to travel so far from home to attack Gondor and whether he was really evil at heart. Another example, where you have to kind of get down into the weeds and pay attention is the meeting between Aragorn and The Mouth of Sauron, who in the book is entirely human and is of the Black Numenorean lineage. Fun fact: Black Numenoreans (ie - King's Men) were mostly of the House of Marach, who were noted for having blond hair and blue eyes. Doesn't really jive with the nonsense that "White = Good, Black = Bad" claims for supposed Racism on the part of Tolkien. So much for "Black & White" wars. Besides Tolkien's legendarium is entirely a work of Catholic/Christian faith, but minus any actual religious iconography (there are no temples/fanes/churches and there is no organized worship), but there is proof of the Divine in the form of the Maiar of Middle-Earth (The Istari, Balrogs and Sauron). This is in direct contrast to Martin's world where organized religion is everywhere, but there is no overriding proof of anything Divine (or if there is Divine, its entirely of the Lovecraftian "Cosmic Horror" kind).
Hold the army of the dead at the neck. Pile trees up to form a barrier, when they attack light the barrier on fire. Use catapults to launch wildfire into the army and fire arrows. Have scorpions back up daenarys against undead rheagal and your good gg night king.
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I've thought things like this too. Make bomb shells out of ceramic and fill them with dragonglass shards in wildfire, gg. Or someone with a bit of inventiveness could ask Dany to have a dragon help them to rediscover the process of making Valyrian steel...
One weakness regarding this theory: if WW decide they should rise again in response to Dany's dragons birth (which in fact happened across the world and were babies at the time), why didn't they rise when Aegon attacked their land "westeros" with 3 fully grown fully trained for war mighty dragons? Not to mention the following 200 years when the Targaryeans had more and more dragons. How possibly could 3 baby dragons in the other side of the world be more of a threat than fully grown ones on their own lands??
In my personal opinion it's because the WW themselves have been building up a giant ass army ready to face the invading draconic force only to be surprised that nobody remembered them and laying off their weapons, but now with Jon running around westeros screaming that they exist, making weapons that kill them permanently, they are now forced to truly fight for their lives
Well Jon's only running around screaming because he saw their army and knows it's bearing down on Westeros. If the White Walker's goal was to live peacefully in the far north, they could've just done that. Another millennia and they would have been completely forgotten. And if White Walkers are afraid of dragons--as you said, they've seen dragons invade and then die out before. The obvious answer is to wait it out again. No one is going to invade the far north. There's nothing there but cold, ice, and fairy tales.
I'm guessing that, if the theory is true, there is something special about Danaerys. Either that or they were shocked initially by Aegon and spent the last 200 years preparing for the war
Weapons that kill the permanently? I swear that i've seen the same WW die atleast 4 times but perhaps dragon glass and valyrian steel only kills white walkers for a time i think if aslong as the nightking lives it doesn't matter, those walkers will always return
There were humans north of the wall for hundreds of years or more. To our knowledge, Kraster was the only man paying sacrifice to the white walkers since the Night's King. Why did the White Walkers wait so long to become aggressive? They begin slaughtering and moving closer to the wall at the beginning of the series, long after men have broken their vows. During the progression of the White Walkers Kraster is killed, Dragons are born and the Starks are removed from Winterfell. I'm inclined to agree with you on the basic idea, I'm just keen on understanding why they wait so long to make their move.
This is like looking through old wedding pictures after a bad divorce. We had so much hope once,
this is too funny 😂
@@moiraalfred7765 depends on the perspective. The man seems to talk from the experience...
Whenever George gets back to the main series books we can be happy with the true story readers deserved
A picture mean a thousands words they say lol.
Anyway
I always want to know more about the White walker since they have so little air time. The majority of the time you'll see the human plotting, waging wars to killed each others in large scale and sacrificing a screaming girl to the burning hot fire.
The Night king on the other hand able to converted a baby without any pain or suffering.
In a way, the Night King remind of Thanos.
They both want to created a world without wars, hungers, diseases and even death.
Once resurrected a blind can see, a crippled can run and any diseases including cancer will be cured.
This how they'll never need water or food? Maybe you can help me out
Stasis - a slowing or stoppage of the normal flow of a bodily fluid or semifluid: such as. a : slowing of the current of circulating blood. b : reduced motility of the intestines with retention of feces.
I laugh so I don’t cry.
The Whitewalkers wanted to spare everyone from watching that catastrophic joke of an ending. They were the good guys all along.
Lol
I BELIEVE THIS!!!!
I agree the ending was extremely cheesy
I KNEW IT! 😮💨
The ending was perfect. Danny deserved to die
The White Walkers just want to know what Podrick did to those girls dammit!!
He discovered the mythical clitoris, duh!
He sang
Bucky Cheese lmaoo
Foreplay. Foreplay and he also sang the alphabet.
He Said he was virgin last episode
The Night King waited 4000 years to get killed in just 2 seconds.
8000*
Sunbro Adresse Bullshit, the white walker Sam killed with dragonglass lasted longer than a second and died
Indeed not much return on the investment
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He got the "long night" The Long Night is a highly anticipated sexual encounter that ends very quickly and unsatisfyingly.
Seems to me like the show could have easily gone on for 2 more seasons giving this information.
Yeah, I don't understand why D&D insisted on a six episode season eight when HBO was trying to convince them to go for more.
@@Badgerbadger1 They wanted to finish adapting the show so they could work on star wars and get a lot of money
@@comradecat7714 Sad but true. I normally don't care all that much about disappointing movies and TV shows, but GoTs has me incensed because they literally had every single thing lined up to make a great ending. Fortunately I don't think the fandom will ever forgive them for it.
Slowly reading the books after having seen the show. I think Cersei should have been the villain of Season 8 and they have to get rid of her. Then, in Season 9, Dany slowly becomes a problem and she has to be killed. It ends with The Long Night commencing and the snow doesn't stop falling until the Night King is defeated at the end of the 10th season.
I wanted Varys on the throne. He could be the real king behind an "official king" who was just a frontman, pawn, to fool the masses. It was kinda like that with Jeoffrey and Tywin. Jeoffrey was a teenager and just into pleasing his narcissistic cruel nature completely clueless about ruling. He was just into power so he could be a vicious bastard without having to deal with consequences for his actions. Boy, did that come back to bite him. He was also a gigantic coward.
4:55 that's exactly how it is going to end LOL
Yep, I'm so gutted I hope there hiding something with bran
Well, that means Cersei is the final boss. She's still the Queen as of this comment.
Nope.@@thenightking8112
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT!
And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die.
Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again.
And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world.
You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
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The little rant starting at 5:00 is perfect in its irony because that is almost exactly what is happening.
The sad part is though, Nerd Soup are now, in May 2019, defending the same "paint by numbers" lazy hack writing they are insisting couldn't possibly be the ending of the show here.
@@jamesedward3619 well its rather obvious that they are either diehard fanboys or paid shills
@@averageconsumer0 Unfortunately it's got to be one or the other, and neither are good.
@@averageconsumer0 they were fans in denial. they've come around more now
Ya right only worse
4:55 Yes. That's exactly how it ends
Sadly yes
Oh God, it hurts to just hear it.
It feels like an after the fact joke. And it fucking isn't.
After a bloody battle for throne, the dead soldiers starts pile up, humanity at it's weak. Then comes the walkers and they wreck westeros proving how fragile humans and pathetic the wars are.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA how is the rant that is meant to be a complete mockery of the worst case scenario actually end up being the one theory that is most accurate.
I'm so disappointed they took the easy way out on it. Hopefully the books explain this more
@@Philitron128 if we get them
@@laszlodajka9914 not a day goes by where I am not painfully aware of this
@@Philitron128 The 6 and 7 Books will tell a diferent story. George Martin said that in 6 & 7 books he write his own end. The serie is the serie, the books are the books. Point.
@@MonsieurHercules I can not wait, ughhh
4:55 I got some bad news for you, brother.
Exactly what happened.
Lmao he literally foretold the battle.
and yet, they said they liked it :/
The story isn’t over yet. The army of the dead has been defeated but think of the casualties...almost all of the Dothraki savages (which were the bulk of Dany’s army), and literally over 100,000 soldiers. Cersei has the upper hand now.
@@fro_e Yeah and she faced no consequences whatsoever, same for basically everyone else that always ignored the "big threat", except for three secondary characters and a bunch of warriors no one cares about.
Anyone could have written a much better story about """""The long night""""" with what they had... so fucking stupid.
4:55 -> weeeeeeeell, S08E03 aired, and whaddya know.... :D
Yep, this was literaly better than that ending.
Here in 2024, looks like you had the ending of the series correct in your last sentence. Good job!
They just wanted to be used as antagonist-filler for 7 previous seasons.
Maybe they’re just tired of being cold all the damn time, we all need a vacation
TheAnnouncer 😂😂😂😂
🤣 white walker: I JUST WANT A TAN!!!
A lot has been revealed since this video, it's confirmed that the White Walkers were created by the Children of the forest to use as a weapon in their war with the first men, the Night King was created from one of the first men they captured. It was established that later the Walkers rebelled against the children and could very well be the reason there are not too many left (assuming the ones we saw killed were not the last in existence). They are essentially a doomsday weapon run amok, like Skynet or the Reapers, who are so driven by their purpose to consume all that no one can hope to control them. The 'bittersweet' ending GRRM speaks of could be that in order for the White walkers to be subdued, someone must become the Night King, return them all north of the wall, and keep them there for all eternity. Jon would likely be the one to make this sacrifice, plunging a shard of dragon glass into his own heart and stopping the army of the dead in their tracks. He'd save the day, but would have to spend eternity in the land of always winter so the army of the dead will forever sleep. the sweet part could be Danaerys discovering she's pregnant with Jon's child and we see the son of a King of Ice and a Queen of fire, a "prince that was promised".
u put so much time into this, but ur wrong lol, white walkers were only created by children of the forest in the show. If u really wanna know ur shit...read the books
I thought so too that the white walkers are made from the children of the forest to protect themselves from the men. (based on the movie) "did not read the book"
I absolutely hate that origin story they gave to the others in the show. I hope to god that its different in the books.
@@basikk5808 It is a conversation about the show, not the book. Well mostly. Do you have something of use to add? I never understand why people think books carry more value then video. It's a fantasy story, Like a lot of fantasy stories they get changed a bit when made for TV. It is no longer the creation of one person but several. Making them 2 very separate things sometimes. Not always a bad thing. Glad you like books, that don't make you more informed on what goes on during the GoT show.
@@quor2243 I dont inherently think one is superior to the other but I think the reason for the common notion that the book is usually better is that sometimes thousands of pages but hundreds typically, get crammed down into a very condensed format, losing a lot of backstory, character development and nuance that is lost. It isnt terribly uncommon to see a movie adaptation where they didnt have the greenlight for multiple movies and budget was limited, so they jammed multiple novels into one movie that ends up having more deleted scenes than runtime and many hours of shooting left on the cutting room floor, and many scenes from the book that would be considered crucial, not shot at all. With a novel the only budget is the writers time so often what you get is very refined, they have spent an exhaudtive amount of time writing and rewriting to give you the best version of the story, maybe taking years to come out with it.
I am not sure how to explain it exactly, but i also thing there is a big difference in many ways between hollywood writers and everyday writers. They live in a big money fast paced world, again budget is always a concern, its just different and in many ways constrained.
You also occasionally have the issue where a work is popular but there isnt much source material so they stretch it, like the hobbit movies. Or a prime example is anime, they are usually based on manga periodicals or graphic novels and often come out at a snails pace and the show will get caught up with its source material and start inserting filler written by some random person with no connection to the original author.
Sometimes these issues are addressed well and you get a good movie adaptation.
Sorta disappointed they never included the “pale spiders the size of hounds” in the show
Maybe they thought it was a bit of a Harry Potter rip
that's part of the mythos, you don't exactly know if it's true or not. If they would have gone farther into the Lands of Always Winter this would've been more probable
tbh i’m kinda glad they didn’t, one because i’m sure they’d somehow mess it up given how the story actually ends but secondly because i’m scared af of spiders.
@@veggiesupreme3556 Ya... and there are no dragons in Harry Potter..
That's the least of all disappointments I had with GoT finale xD
They want the elephants
Yousef Obed hahaaaaa
Disappointing.
The Night's King definitely looks badass riding the zombie Viserion, but imagine him on an elephant. Hilarious.
@@heyheyheyheyheyhey76 i'm dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mr.Denton “sorry your Grace ,we had a 55 days of night shoots for the battle of winterfell instead “
There was a Lich King in Warcraft
There was a Witch King in LOTR
There was a bitch king in GoT, his name is Joffrey.
QuantumStriker 003 r
I did NAHT see that coming
QuantumStriker 003 Lich king expansion coming out on hearthstone too 😁
Adam Hockey Heartstone is the most boring video game ever. Why the hell would you play a card game on your pc, play it in real life.
Slime Because the music's fucking dope
"Basically the people of Westeros are fucked."
Best TLDR I ever heard.
Eddard Stark at least, i have a head my lord.
Jaime Lannister
You have your head, but if you or Tyrion don't get to producing some heirs, your house will be dead and fade away, your name will only be associated with oathbreaking and incest, until every memory of the Lannisters is gone while the Starks rule the North.
Pumuckl Everything will go extinct by time...So the Stark and every other living creature as well.
The Lennisters died A LONG time ago, Even before my dad.
Jaime Lannister
Tywin was probably the first useful thing in the Lannister family and produced only one useful heir and that heir is heading for Westeros to kill the useless part of his family. Your house always sucked, only the aforementioned members are worth something.
You refer to Tyrion, yes? Well in all reality he is likely the by-product of The Mad King raping his mother, so he is a Targaryen as well as a Lannister. So he is *actually* heading to kill the useless part of his family, alongside the batshit crazy part of his other family.
7:53 this is why it bothers me that the wall got broken down so easily because of a dragon. The wall played a huge purpose of the show, took thousands of years to build, was enchanted, its sole purpose was to keep the white walkers out, etc. but the white walkers didn’t have to break a sweat because of a dragon. Pretty disappointing. There should’ve been an epic battle.
I agree. And if a wight dragon can take down the wall, then at least the Night King should've been susceptible to dragonfire. I mean what was that about..
I was wondering that too.
I think narratively it makes sense. Game of Thrones is pretty consistent in that people making the choice to try to help without knowing all the circumstances can lead to bigger consequences.
I kinda agree, but also shit like this just happens, shit gets unlucky
Maybe they are just cold. Gonna laugh if they get south of the wall, thaw out, then be like "thank the gods! We are finally free of that icy curse!", then all have chicken and beer together.
Alexander Lynx "Maybe they are just cold" was funny enough. You shoulda stopped their. I'll still give you credit though; it made me laugh.
The Hound would love that
I'm gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this continent
Nah, the night king will just Gangnam style up to ceresei and do the default fortnite dance, then he'll just go back north having completed his goal
Then Game of Thrones gets a beach episode
I think it's important to mention that they always said "A stark must always be in Wiinterfell" and until recently, there always was. Maybe that was the pact they agreed on many years ago... But when Ned was killed and after the red wedding when all but 4 (now 3) died and the Boltons took Winterfell (after Euron tried but failed hard). Maybe this broke the pact/agreement. Maybe this is a reason why Torrhen Stark "The King Who Knelt" decided not to be wiped out by the Targaryens all those years ago because there had to be a Stark in Winterfell to prevent the breaking of the treaty. And If the Nights King was a stark, Torrhen could of known this treaty since the King of the North two succesions back (if i'm remembering correctly) would have known since that's why he defeated his kin. Maybe Ned's dad also knew but didn't tell his sons because of his untimely demise to the Mad King,
Just an interesting theory.
“Now listen, we know you guys are more trusty than those meth-head Boltons, so we’re leaving you in charge, keep the other men behind the wall, and if they get past at least keep them as far from us as possible. IF YOU STOP RULING we will come over and kick your friend’s shit in. Agreed?”
“Agreed.”
2000 years later…
“Hehe, red wedding go brrrrr.”
The White Walkers had been active again beyond the wall for the first time in thousands of years long before this point, the deserter Ned kills when his children find the Direwolves was fleeing the Watch because his patrol was butchered by a White Walker. They were already stirring and gathering an army of Wights well before the War of Five Kings.
@@doopdoopdopdop7424 lmfaoooo
But white walkers were killing men at the very start of story
That knight's watch guy ran from them and ned beheaded that guy so obviously starks were in winterfell so this doesn't make sense why were they rising and killing human when starks were in winterfell
My theory:
The night king is not some evil, but a position of responsibility.
The night king can and was never defeated but instead, everytime he comes south of the wall, a stark has to kill him to become the new night king, leading the dead back north and waiting there until he has served his time and it is his time to pass on the burden to another stark.
Now lets assume that brandon stark is the current night king.
That would mean that, when finally jon snow kills the night king, he is killing his brother, sacrificing himself to give humanity a few more decades.
Since the night king can never be killed, this means that there always have to be some starks left close to the wall to take on the duty-> "There must always be a stark in winterfell"
That means that every time the white walkers are "defeated", the starks are just waiting for them to come back.
"Winter is coming"
My guess is they are a powerful, destructive tool.
Created out of desperation and (understandable) hatred.
When the children of the forest created them, there might have not been any control for them, and thus they quickly turned out to be a danger to all living beings.
So when the Children of the Forest and mankind joined forces, they created the knight king as a means of controlling them and keeping them in check.
So basically, their only purpose is to be a constant threat that must always be kept in check by sacrifice.
Y’all are stupid mfs
@your mum you're welcome i guess?
Makes sence
@Chase Bradley-West i honestly never read into the warcraft lore but please explain?
Do you mean the Lich King with his Zombies?
isn't he more of a bad guy?
Centuries of battle hardened experience ... gets killed by a kid with a butter knife.
Not quite a butter knife lol. Or even really a kid at that point.
@@LuvFearlessly got butchered by a teen who doesn't even know about anything about them. On the other hand the person who knew a lot about white walkers was roaming around to please his queen.
@@ractmo yeuh ahhh mah Queen.
Still waiting 4 the Spiders as big as Hounds.
Felt
Ron Weasley has nightmares about them every single night.
Been waiting since the end of season 2 when certain things came to light 👍
I’m bigger.
@Luna Rose Everything else in the legend was stated in a crystal clear manner, so spiders should also be. Otherwise it would be pretty damn retarded and inconsistent story.
Cover the Dragons in DragonGlass armor... westeros wins.
gg!
That’s not how it works...
Go join Danny's advisory coucil. 😂😂
dragons aren't fully grown
chazz okunomo they are never full grown
No it doesn't matter. The writers jerked us around for almost a decade. Any & all discussions, comments, theories etc... we've all had about the Night King were exercises in futility. Why was he even a character? And what's up with the non explanation? Lazy writers? There had better be some REALLY great reason for this or they are assholes. I am so disgusted.
Who else feels this way? Is it just me?
I thought it was all pretty straight forward. They said a hundred times he wants darkness, to kill the humans and all life, as was his purpose when he was created by the children of the forest. He was a weapon of the Children that backfired on them. He wanted to kill Bran because he is the magical keeper of human history(the 'Giver' I guess). I'm not sure what more people were expecting. I heard some wild theories but never took any of them too seriously. He was a glorified zombie, whose narrative purpose was to unite the North, Vale, Wildlings, Dani, Dothraki, unsullied and many others. To give Dany real allies in the seven kingdoms who were not previously fond of Targaryens and bring Targaryen rule back onto the table without prolonged bloodshed between everyone in the seven kingdoms. Also the wall, it's magic, and the night king could have been responsible for the screwed up seasons. I'm just glad to be passed this zombie apocalypse to be honest.
@Roger the Space Marine There are no excuses for the 'battle plan.' I don't think it was quite as simple as an obvious trap and hiding in a tree, but what we got was ridiculously awful. That said yes, it also served to weaken Dany's position. She seemed nearly unstoppable before, and now her personal army is shaved down thin and she is down to two injured dragons, and she kind of needs the north to help her get the throne, who again aren't particularly keen to serving a Targaryen.
@Roger the Space Marine Those Whitewalkers and Whites in the courtyard were all 'at ease' at the Night Kings control. Just like earlier in the episode by the flaming moat. Of all of the episodes problems, this one doesn't qualify. It was just how the situation played out. He thought it was checkmate and dropped his guard but she got the drop on him. If we can say she could have just hid in a tree(with no leaves in the winter), then he could have flown down uncontested and torched the tree first. lol
Fortunately for DnD, going down to take on Cersei right away as a terrible strategic move is not out of character for Dany or Jon. From what I've seen they are terrible strategic minds. Perhaps the 3eR is unwilling to help her and goes back north of the wall, and/or perhaps she feels overconfident with dragons and 3eR and that is her downfall. Hubris. Dany, like her brother, has little patience. Something like waiting out the Golden Army over the winter is more in Tywin's strategic wheelhouse. Or maybe Cersei does go north with the army because she can't wait. Strike while the iron is hot. They can sail north with the boats they came over on along with Euron's fleet. It's not unthinkable to go in the winter, they could bring plenty of supplies for a campaign that wouldn't be very long, hole up in any of the currently empty castles if need be. Winterfell is in no shape to hold off a siege for any period of time and almost all of Cersei's opposition is in one place.
All that said I'm not entirely confident whatever plays out will all be above board either. lol I'll just wait and see and enjoy the ride for what little is left. We'll get some fan service stuff like cleganebowl or whatever and wait for Martin to finish the cannon material.
@@sirGaraldYou know what? I think you're so right on.
@Roger the Space Marine 1) Bad conjecture is also: She should just have hid in a tree
2) I know the writing hasn't been great. That's not my argument. Characters are allowed to make bad decisions, but it has to be believable. This episode failed at this in many places, Dothraki charge, or having any troops in front of the moat. Not flying up and down the moat line frying them, not firing any arrows or projectiles at targets standing still, almost every main character lived and a lot more probably should have died. My argument is that I didn't need the Night King to be so integral to the show's conclusion. I didn't need anymore crazy time travel 3eR twist. He's the keeper of knowledge. NK wanted him dead. That's it. I'm ok with that. I was never too excited for this storyline as it were.
3) But the Night King story line overall wasn't for nothing on the grand scheme of the saga. Without him the north would have likely wanted to remain sovereign and had to battle Dany at some point. Instead we have an alliance between Dany, North, Vale, and even Jamie Lannister which should be consequential. These are pretty impactful repercussions. The episode was very bad at parts and very clumsy, but we got through it and can all move on now from the Walking Dead. The two episodes leading up to this one were IMO excellent and I want more of that in the next three.
4) She did get the drop on him, but only until he eventually saw her running up to him through the other whitewalker's eyes. Probably when she broke the front line and hit the open area right behind the night king they spotted her. If a whitewalker is standing perfectly still and she silently runs past them from behind there is no way he would be able to react in time, because he wouldn't see her until she was already passed. And how was he supposed to know this little girl had mad skillz like that? sheesh He literally held her for three seconds before she dropped the knife but...you first get his reaction and then hers, but really they happen at the same time. You are literally complaining he didn't finish her in 1.5 seconds. Theon did the Shredder charge and night king had his counter attack planned, with Arya he was startled for a literal second and a half.
5) 3eR helping them would make her even more overconfident to just go and get this over with, even or especially against Tyrion's advice. It's called a character flaw and she has it. Maybe the 3eR doesn't give a crap about who is on the throne, and not want to be involved in it at all. He is not Bran anymore. None of it is that strong but real people have made worse tactical decisions in real life. Like say...umm...Hitler invading Russia? At least she does have two dragons.
6) This is not comparable to an invasion of a country with 170 million people. Scale matters for that comparison. It's literally one massive fort filled with all her enemies with an entire section of wall blown completely out and tens of thousands of bodies lying around. And they can at least sail a good portion of the way there. That would not be crazy or at all out of the question. Stannis' army had been fighting for a long time. They had limited resources, were starving, lost tons of battles, and facing a fully fortified Winterfell. But we both know this will not happen either way. Dany is going to go south. For entertainment reasons they won't do another Winterfell battle so they will just come up with some reason that isn't really good enough. lol
7) I don't think the Arya thing was one of the bad writing areas here, that was the bright spot of the episode for me, that and being denied a Snow/King showdown(especially the scene where he turns around and raises them before snow gets there, DENIED). I'm glad they punted on that, would have been dull IMO.
Bonus) it would be great if the seasons go back to normal now that the wall is down and Night King dead.
The Night King is actually Brandon Stark. We already know that when he is green seeing into the past, he can affect the future in a constant loop (like Hodor). His yelling of Hold the Door in present time caused young Hodor to change and therefore be there when he yells Hold the Door in the future. Therefore, he tried to prevent the White Walkers.
First attempt: He went back to King Aerys II (the Mad King) and warged into him to make him use wildfire to burn the White Walkers. However, this future/past warging drove him crazy, like how Hodor became braindead, making him burn King's Landing instead.
Second Attempt: He tried to figure out how the First Men defeated the White Walkers, but he arrived late and instead, built the Wall as Bran the Builder (but it still didn't work since the wall was destroyed).
Third Attempt: He traveled back to when the Children of the Forest created the Night King, but the children didn't know him at the time, so they captured him and made him into the Night King. As the Three-eyed raven warned before, "it is beautiful beneath the sea, but stay too long and you will drown". This is why the Night King can see Bran in his visions and possibly raise the dead by warging into multiple beings.
Because Bran's manipulation of the past is in a cycle, present-day Bran doesn't know the result because he didn't experience it yet. This can explain what he was doing at the Battle of Winterfell. He is shown warging into ravens to see the Night King. When he sees the massive number of wights, he might've attempted these three things when he realized chances for victory are slim. However, little does he know, these attempts just caused him to become the Night King, completing the loop.
Also, the Night King (future Bran) kills the old three-eyed raven since he hid the truth from Bran.
Im late but this makes a lot of sense, didn’t the mad king hear a lot of voices in his head
The third one might need some work but yea great theory
It’s already been very well established that all the brans are 1 person.
Really? I want to know more
Interesting
So many high quality videos in such a short span of time. Very impressive.
Thank you Reese!
is that you brother? ;)
Johann Johann Well look what we have here
Who did that to your face? Just give a name and address :)
👀
The White Walkers want to know how Ayra got past them to kill the Night King!
Mighty-Badger They were distracted
@@raqui174 Dont try to defend it. It was fuckin ridiculous and lazy lol
@@OrphanCrippler1 clearly the fans are more passionate than the writers, producers and executives
Probably because she has that technique to disguise herself.
She was wearing the face of a white Walker.
They want to go down south and taste Hotpie's pie
Sometimes I watch this video pretending the last few seasons didn't exist
If Old Nan and Lady Olenna teamed up their power would be immense
Hail, Old Lady Olennan!
Thankfully it never happened.
The Walls was built to protect the white walkers from Olenna's wit.
*SPOILER*
Well doesn't matter what he wants now does it? :D
Glenn Maes GOT writer: wow this is a cool theory.
GOT director: should we put it in the show
GOT writer: lol no
GOT director: maybe just some back story
GOT writer: nooooo
See that's what I mean.
It matters. Because one of the cruelest things is to not know why. So many people died, those that lived deserve to know why. Also in the show the children of the forest created the white walkers did they not. So their motivations might be a bit different.
For the books it does matter
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT!
And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die.
Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again.
And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world.
You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
Hey, TH-cam reccomended me something I actually want to watch for once. New to the channel but I've liked what I've seen.
Cody Crawford exactly the same thing for me! Loved every second of it
Cody Crawford word
I absolutely loved everything about the show. Right up to the ending. Dany slaughtering everyone and going mad was crushing to me. Then the ending of the white walker war. So quick and easy. No story of why or what in conclusion. It just felt like a huge blow up to a massive explosion bit no. Just pop
The whole TV series was ruined for me, I actually get irritated watching old episodes or things on the series now knowing how it turned out. The only thing I still enjoy is the music that's literally the only thing I can think of that didn't get completely ruined.
@@BassLineProductionsI absolutely the truth. I haven't watched a single episode over since the "ending". It was just so completely ruined
@@BamaChad-W4CHD I watched a bit of an old episode with my roommate a couple years ago, got so annoyed with almost everything happening because I couldn't get the thought that none of these plotlines develope into anything worthwhile. All the character development of the series was completely thrown out by that end, such cheap answers to costly plots
Any kind of explanation as to why the white walkers exist and hate humanity and why they travelled south to fight humanity would have RUINED them completely. Do you really want that? The books aren't gonna explain any of that, and that's a good thing. Their whole mystique is that they're clearly very intelligent but their desires and motives are completely foreign and alien and unknowable, they're more like a force of nature than a species. That's what makes them good. Do you seriously want the night king to sit down with tyrionn, sharing a bottle of wine, so he can explain why he hates humans? Their whole thing is that while all the humans on the island are worrying about relatively meaningless things like land and a throne, the white walkers are here to end the world completely. That's why they're interesting.
@@duffman18I’m pretty sure in the books there is no night king
If they just give the White Walkers what they want they will return to the North.
Just give them Hotpie's gravy recipe and Summer will return.
Facts!
😂😂
Humans Eh! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@Aggy Nigga- Many a weary traveler on the road to King's Landing were glad to get a mouthful of Hot Pie's Gravy. allegedly ..
Hahahhahhhhhh.....
And here I am still trying to figure out how the white walkers knew how to wrap a chain around a damned dragon and pull it out of the lake. Hell, where the fuck did the chain even come from?
First thing I thought of when I watched the scene was "were the f*ck did they get those chains?"
Blue ice chains
There like 18 Home Depots north of the wall broo
Things is most people consider White Walkers as only undead fighters ! But if not ? I mean they're probably smart guys. So, asking there servants to find chains and get back this damn dragon souldn't be that hard. Fuc*, thay have undead bears, giants and probably more to come in the next season.... why the hell they couldn't have some chains ?
got them from hardhome fam
Old Nan knows how to tell a scary story
It's so sad to go back and watch these videos and think about how excited everyone was and all the awesome theories only to see how d&d didn't just drop the ball, they tied the ball to an acme rocket and watched it fly off and explode Wiley Coyote style!
The white walkers just want to chat for once. Just let them be and they will tell you interesting things, I made a friend called Dave who is a white walker
PDW105 😂
lol. 5:00. IT ALL CAME TRUE
Expectations SUBVERTED !
Someone please corner Brandon Stark- he’s got all the answers!
True
Just stay by him He cant even Walk so no need to corner
He has them but he needs to find them. Like, he can go back in time but he only knows the direction he goes, as shown when Sam talks to Bran Stark and Bran hadn't known about Dany until he looked into the past.
This guys voice makes it possible to listen to watch the whole video.Not a forced voice like 90% of the other theory videos.Good work
rip all your theories. rip rip. all those hypes and crazy thories god wish i hadn't watched them. now i feel so tasteless. at the end nothing..
Roshan Basnet same, but who knows if there dead? They had a base and I’m pretty sure the white walkers are not done for
Fuck off pussy
Theories are always wrong.
It's okay, because Bran will probably tell us everything about them in the last episode or something
@@Kelio22 Why would he? Makes no sense at all.
Fall in love with a white walker. Right that's enough TH-cam for today XD
Brodie Sharpe I have been thinking for a while now that I wanna see a female white walker or a child white walker. Would be cool.
The lore didn't say white walker or "other" specifically, but a woman with very pale skin and very blue bright eyes.
Brodie Sharpe I really don't want to think about what that would mean
Mind that in the books WWs are not wrinkly old skeleton men, they possess an otherwordly scary kind of beauty, which should be both terrifying and might be attractive to humans. i'd never marry a lady that speaks through ice shrieks but i mean if good ol' night's king liked it rough...
You clearly haven't read the books.....
Their description in the book is much different from their appearance on the show...
They were made more monstrous and ugly in the show. They are much more elegant in the books.
ProSquatch The show needs a flashy villain to put on posters to invite new watchers.
I wanted to see the White walker's giant spiders. "Guess they forgot"
this is the history lesson i am down to
And now they have dragons
just one there is no ''dragons'' I think you misspelled it
Unproductive anomaly doubt it.
normaali ihminen god fucking jeez this comment is so fucking unnecessary shut the fuck up you just pissed off my whole soul from one retarded comment
Well that was a disaster.
What a mad story it would be if the white walkers win!
Jake Doherty I'm on team WW. Just to see every battle for the first 6 seasons be for nothing
Update: nothing
«GoT is a series that has subverted most of cliches of most fantasy epics»...seasson 7-8 has only been but cliches.
S U B V E R T E D E X P E C T A T I O N S
That’s because season 7 & 8 are mostly not based on the books. the books are not finished yet.
@@sabrinapayette5198no its because dumb and dumber have no idea how to write
So what are you trying to say is that night king is Brandons great great great.. grandad and he was just trying to hug him when he tought he was atacking him?
possible , knwing that the night king was capable of seeing and interacting with bran , couldn't he just slash him dead or rip him off , why did he just grab him xD bran needed an adult after that bad touch xD
Headcannon now is that the night king is just a misunderstood grandad who just wants to meet his grand children south of the wall.
Bran can worg into his past relatives. That was himself.
lmao
@@Boganiacal0 The books are a whole other ballgame, infinitely more interesting than the show.
The Night King, dragonglass born, of the House of Ice, puller of chains, the undead, and Father of Wights
Tia Singh 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
😂😂😂
Hahahaha “puller of chains” - amazing
Lame
Your Lord of Darkness is nothing compared to our great hero; Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane, First of His Name, Eater of Every Fucking Chicken
Recap for 8x03 starts at 4:55...
The white walkers want the _Milk of the poppy_
They are some drug addicts. They act like crazed dope fiends needing a hit.
I think they’d rather Giants Milk!
You think they are heroin addicts.
They aint the only ones!
"Beautiful, INHUMAN, Elegant, Dangerous."
'Suggesting there is a humanity to them'
Okay.
I saw that too. Confusing.
128Gigabytes ikr he just said they are inhuman, 🤷🏽♀️
Only humans can be inhuman.
The only thing confusing is your understanding of grammar. Inhuman means there is absolutely nothing human about them.
I highly recommend that you Google the definition of inhuman.
That episode where we found out the Bran controlled Hodor, and we got the back story about the children of the forest and how they may have created the white walkers, that was bordering on a religious experience for me. It was so perfect.
I wish that either the books or show would complete this story in a satisfying way. I'm still on the edge of my seat.
Well...after watching the Great War episode...i guess nothing because we'll never know...
BECAUSE THEY JUST ENDED THE WHOLE THING LIKE THAT WTF
Well there's still 3 episodes left but yeah I cant believe the long night was ended 3 episodes into season 8
After 8 seasons of build up, they completely ruin the Night King, and the whole fucking show. It was PATHETIC! No main characters die, despite being completely overrun, and in danger the whole time. Sam about to die, saved at the last minute. Melisandre about to die, saved at the last minute. Jaime saves Brienne, at the last minute. Hound saves Arya, at the last minute. Dany saves Jon, at the last minute. Jorah saves Dany, at the last minute. Arya saves Bran, at the last minute. Cheap Close Call Clichés that don't create tension, like the fucking retarded showrunners think they do, they erase all tension! That ISN'T GOT!
And the side characters that do die, all die heroic deaths, and with no unfinished business, and way too much fan service. Again, THAT ISN'T GOT! Martin would never have written that dumb shit! Its pure fucking pandering! There is no artistic visiom behind this show anymore. Just a bunch of spineless cunts trying to please the "fans" who watch for the battles and don't want their favorites to die.
Nothing was answered about the Night King. NOTHING. Turns out he was a second-rate side villain that was evil for the sake of being evil. George R.R. Martin would kill himself before he wrote a character that cliché. He was built up for 9 fucking years! "Death is coming. Our enemy never tires. The Iron Throne doesn't matter, the Night King is coming" - 9 FUCKING YEARS! And he is resolved in ONE episode?! And he doesn't kill anyone at all?! He doesn't even get his sword out?! D&D, you worthless pieces of shit, go to a fucking filmmaking class and learn about Chekov's gun, you dumb motherfuckers. I hope you never work again.
And after all that, he is killed by a little girl, who jumped 100 feet, over dozens of undead and White Walkers, and outsmarted an 8000 year old god of Death, despite him having caught her and having plenty of time to snap her neck. But no, the bad guys do nothing in this episode, they are cannon fodder to elevate the heroes further. Are you kidding me?! Do the fucking maggots even know the show they are making?! How did Arya get to the Night King??? Biggest plot hole in the world.
You ruined a great show and pissed on the source material, you took a shit all over its identity and turned it into Hollywood cliché trash. Fuck you D&D, I hope you suffer.
Bran is a key in this
@@apolloptx So you liked the episode yeah?
@@apolloptx Episode was ruined but your comment is world class. Man you made my day.
So right. All cliché and fan service. But biggest disappointment was NK being present the least , done nothing and loses so fast. His generals not even in action and why and what he wanted not explained. What was Bran and NK connection also not explained.
All dumb but action was still good.
I definitely like The Night King as a character more than Joffrey, and Ramsay for sure.
Ramsay was a great character.Ruthless smart and strong
His the silent type...
If only we analysed the problems of our real world in such depth!
Michael Stone reality sucks for some, this is a great way to disconnect for a bit
We do, that's why we have so many sciences out there.
Sociology
The purpose of good literature is to analyze our world.
@@karku3fan yeah, i think that the guy never step into a university
18:14 lol that's exactly how it ends
Your voice is so soothing
so boring imho
I feel like he sounds like Seth McFarlane
Kozakura j and sexy
Stark+white walkers= stalkers
„White Stalkers“ 😂
@@smuggo9753 i was just finna say this 😂
😂😂😂
Get out of here stalker!
*Warframe intensifies
Sadly without the lead of George R.R. Martin it became clichee good vs evil :/
Awesome video though!
@PinkGuy VEVO like Eastenders
George R R martin is gonna be a part of the writing though...
We still have the book😁 atleast we may get one good ending.
RR Martin told the writers of the show the general direction he was going for. So uhh why dont you just wait for your precious books lulz. The NK all he wants is death. How can anyone else think differently lol.
This was the direction GRRM wanted though? Altough some event would obviously have been different but the White walkers have always been the biggest threat in the show. The show would definitely be better if he had finished the books and was more involved in the latest seasons though which is a shame.
I think they were wandering in search of competent writers.
This is a good one😂
Don't worry, Dany will come and give the army of the dead one of her long winded speeches about how she can free them from slavery from the WW and then they will bend the knee to her and everyone is safe. The end
sleuth 2077 The dead army doesn’t have free will. They are basically empty vessels that are controlled by the white walkers. Without the control of the white walkers they do not exist.
@@carbonmolecules4504 r/whoosh
@@matthewread1671 hurr durr r/doosh hurr. :)
@@ungayumungus8785 haha that makes sense lol
Gaming Goof it was a joke lol
I think the Night King wants Gilly's baby. It was supposed to be the 100th child offered by Craster to the Night King and might be a successor to NK. The baby was promised to him.
Shrreya Rawat Good theory, but, the Night King and his army started marching South before Gilly and Sam ran off with the baby.
Interesting theory!
If the white walkers reproduce by the night king turning babies then the night queen shouldn’t have been able to give birth, Brandon starks daughter couldn’t have had a baby with a male white walker. We also never see female white walkers so was the night queen the last one? Can white walkers only reproduce with humans but not with each other? How do we know the nights queen was a white walker...maybe she was a targaryen.
GIlly's baby wasn't even born until what episode? Crap theory.
@@tpattison1125 Just because craster only offered male babies doesn't mean their can be female walkers. We still don't even know the truth being his pact or deal with the ww
they just want to warn us all about eating yellow snow..
* Random Theorist making 20 minute long videos on white walkers, azhor ahai, children of the forest *
Dumb & Dumber : We're about to end this man's career
nerd soup is my new go to, once that notification popped up i was watching as soon as i rolled my joint
dude thank you, i swore he was an alien. cricket makes way more sense. but this channel is awesome its like an adult swim tv review
Yes, I refer to him usually as the alien cricket. He accepts it as reference I'm pretty sure, lol. A man kept it simple tonight.Yes, they're TOP Notch. All around. And they cover a variety of stuff and most movies suspiciously close most of the time. The lord of light lit my bong tonight. I saw Brandon(NK)X-with a sword and wheels on fire in the light, I'm going to take this as a sign..Valar Morghulis.
My theory: Night's King is the Ice King from Adventure Times
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Simon petrikov
it's not
Hahahahahaah
Nice King
The show will make it good VS evil. The book will be a grey area. They skipped the fake aegon/blackfyre/mummers dragon and lots of grey themes. They just show the nights king and cersei as evil/mad. It's a shame how its slowly devolved from a morally complex show into a black and white good vs evil story. But I still enjoy the show greatly.
Camcom it hasn't though.................
well cersei still has jaime on her side and he is not considerd evil
I mean to say, they have written and played the characters well enough that their actions are logical and make sense. Cersie isn't evil, she is just the way she is now. She used to be evil just for fun but now it's easy to see that she is doing what she must for her goal to be accomplished. The white walkers are the same. We don't know anything about them except that they kill people to create their army, not knowing their motive or anything. Their motive could be to kill all humans, but isn't that humans' goal for them? Do I want Jon Snow to win? Sure, but not because I think that the white walkers and Cersie are evil forces.. it's because I like Jon Snow and he seems like a person who would do more good that Cersie can and I don't want him to die again so there goes me rooting for the knight king.
Camcom Actually, War is usually Black and White, so I think they're doing a pretty good job of displaying it
War is what the winners tell you afterwards ...
18:08 Man predicted the Fainal to the Series.
Here's what GRRM himself says* about the moment Sam stabs an 'Other' with dragonglass: "it works: the spells are shattered and it is melting before him."
Not 'dragonglass is like kryptonite to the Others', or even 'it's the one thing that can kill a White Walker'. No, instead, dragonglass apparantly breaks "the spells" that hold a White in it's form.
Making them not living creatures at all but artificial facsimiles forged in Ice and Blood.
This seems to suggest that Crasters sons were NOT altered or possessed, they did not then grow over decades to become the 'creatures' we know as the Others. The babies lives were taken, their lifeforce used to fuel the spell which animated the large ice-crystal monolith's at the sacrificial site. Instantly producing a fully formed White Walker. From baby to Big Bad in one moment of dark magic.
Dragonglass has not yet been explained - it's origins, it's innate magical properties. If it was a vital component in the spells, what effect could a sudden massive overdose - in the form of a stabbing blade or spear made from it - have on the walking crystalline statues we call the Others?
*Quote from Sky Atlantic interview, 2017
hgwells allthewayfrom1899 wouldnt dragon glass be (as shown in the series) a component of the spell that created them, but since nature needs balance it too needs something that can kill them, the whole concept of natures balance is wildly shown in shows like the vampire diaries for example, with magic. Its what creates them, it should be what kills them...like in the Originals, white oak created them, it kills them too....okay im rambling on with references but is just hit me, what if the secret remedy to valyrian steel is that its imbued with dragon glass, is why they havent been reproduced since old valyria when there were still dragons hence the shortage of them, holy fuck lmao
In some fantasy settings, obsidian (very similar to dragonglass, if not obsidian itself), has anti-magic/magic weakening properties. It might back up the claim of Others being artificial beings.
End Game + Septan
It's said we ourselves are (apparantly) 60% water - but we drown easily enough. We also (Google tells me) produce electricity - yet a bolt of lightning usually does the trick. And we allegedly evolved from fish - yet I could still be beaten to death with a wet haddock anytime soon.
It could be that the same mineral found in dragonglass is also the precious metal of Valyrian steel. But this doesn't explain why there's a huge cache of it under Dragonstone.
I like the Red Comet theory as the origin of it all. Maybe you've heard it? It goes: the same psychically charged comet from book/season 1 was orbiting close to the planet 8000 yrs ago. Planet drifts thru comets tail; meteors ("bleeding stars") hit the ground. One, so large it causes a near extinction level event - the "Long Night" (nuclear winter). The impact crater is a no-go -zone for 3000 yrs. Finally, the Valyrian's move in, naming the ring of volcanic islands the "fourteen fires".
Mining, they discover the supernatural, otherworldly elements found nowhere else on the planet: dragonglass; the metal known as Valyrian steel; and fragments of the red crystal rock, of the sort that Melisandre wears around her neck. All of it the residue of the comets tail. All of it having properties some call "magic", enhancing psychic powers etc. And all of it the root source of the magic 'n monsters, sword 'n sorcery mayhem in the first place.
Now whose rambling? Lol : ) It's possible dragonglass is something else altogether. But coincidentally, I see from googling that minerals, and even metals, actually have a crystalline structure...similar to ice 🤔
Septan I'm sure its been called obsidian also, book or show. Anti magic properties? If this is why it breaks the spell of Ice in human(ish) form, I wonder how it might affect Dany's dragons also? Could this be why it was horded under Dragonstone during the Targaryen dynasty? To protect those magical "fire made flesh" creatures?
hgwells allthewayfrom1899 yeah I think I remember Jon or Sam or Edd or someone calling it obsidian when they found it at the cradle of the first men or something, and then adding that it's also called dragon glass, I think lol, I'm not too certain on the particulars of the show - but that theory sounds interesting, a bit far fetched, but interesting
I still think that the reason valyrian steel has a component of dragon glass in it, that hit me when Sam in S7 Ep1 said that the Targaryans used dragon glass to decorate their weapons not even knowing what it was used for, not too far from it being fused with the steel itself
as for the mountain of the DG at dragon stone, I thought DG itself was made by dragons? it is after all the home of the Targaryans, very possible they used their dragons to form it , or was a byproduct of the dragons just fuckin around lmao
They want Ciri because of her power over time.. Oh wait this isn't the Wild hunt??!
Witcher 3 reference
Nice comparison though
I thought we were talking about Mordor and isengard. Idk where you got wild hunt from.
Carlo Andrade it s Got not a shitty nerdy game for virgins
Rafael Souza This is why Andrzej Sapkowski is so salty, when he said kids these days thought that his work is just a video game lmao😂😂😂
I have always wondered this! George R.R. Martin would never create a “bad” guy with no motivation for the sole purpose of creating conflict. But I could never figure out exactly what the night king wanted
This didn’t age well
Why??
I remember reading the books and being in awe with GRRM level of detail and information. That is its structure but its heart is in his characters and their imperfections and dynamics on an individual level and on a group level.
Well, actually, what you said is almost true: Jon and Danny rides Dragon, with the help of pretty much everyone that used to be their enemies except Cercei. 5:00
Wait wait... weren't the white walkers created by the children of the forest to fight man? You said they came from the far north and attacked man and CotF.. which is it? I've always heard the children made them to defeat man.
book lore vs show
I thought of that (haven't read the books), but then there would be big errors. Because a lot of the history in the show is the same as what he was saying. Basically all of it besides the origin of the white walkers. Seems strange to change only that one thing for the show and make everything else right and do that wrong. Weird.
Who’s back in 2024 ??? Man it’s crazy to see how this shit played out😂😂
I was so excited when Jon fell into the frozen lake. I wanted him to be taken prisoner by the Night King and begin learning of the White Walker's motivations. I was disappointed when they did Deus Ex Benjin instead.
I wanted the Night King to win and leave only Jon alive as punishment for his virtue....
You've G.O.T. to keep making these interesting videos on this wonderful channel!
Well played Sir, *tips hat*
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I laughed.
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TheTorakka there are black white walkers there just covered in snow
Goddamn, sooo much potential washed down the drain. There should've been a whole season or at the minimum 4 episodes dedicated purely for the White Walkers, explaining their reasons, morals, proper origins, etc.
Ikr
If the showed had not gone south at the last season, could watch 100 seasons easily.
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I don’t really think of them as being truly conscious or autonomous (at least the show version. Currently reading the books). I got the impression they were meant to protect against humans and simply worked too well. I don’t think they have morals or thoughts, just a mission they were made for. But maybe it’s easy to feel that way when they don’t speak at all in the show (or just screech).
Yup , all told right before the long night ep.
SPOILERS
Literally what you said wouldn't happen, happened in yesterdays episode (S08 Ep3)
One theory suggested that the white walkers were the guardians of this world. And if human kind grew to violent, to horrible, they would clense the world. I guess we just have to lean back and wait for the next season
Theres no theory...The Forest Children made them to fight there battle with the First Men...Well...they proved SUPER EFFECTIVE and, like the Shoggoths, rebelled and threw down there masters.
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Exactly. Everyone ignores the fact that what they are trying to save is a horrible society that lives under horrible circumstances. Savage and primitive. The white walkers and the Knight king obey something bigger than them
But what's different from now to what has happened in the past? Aegon's Conquest of Westeros, Robert's Rebellion, The Red Wedding, and so on. There have been more terrible, violent times than in the present-book-days. I don't think the White Walkers are that, because they themselves would be no different if they came to kill most of humanity. If they took out those who were too violent and horrible, then I would believe it. But they've killed people who were just ordinary and not that bad. No, I think the White Walkers are something else.
TJ Jordan then why didn't they kill Sam?
Hot Pie's recipe obviously..
This theory is way better then what happened hope the next series is a lot better and ends much better as well
There is something related between Bran, The Night King, and Sam's baby. If you remember, a white walker attacked Sam and Gilly in previous seasons to get the baby, and Sam once watched a white walker take one of Craster's sons as an offering. Bran may morph into the past to try to negotiate with the Children of the Forest to prevent them of plunging their sword to stop creating white walkers, which will make him stuck in the past and potentially becoming the Night King because as you remember, the Three Eyed Raven once told Bran "if you stay too long in the past, you will drown". Anyways i hope Daenerys doesn't die lol
Seri H My guy The WW attacked them for Crastors last son so they Could Make another WW so they could live. Also the way Bran is acting in Season 7 not being himself is wat Brynden Rivers meant by drowning. Bran just lost himself because of his time in the past
Seri H But Bran is definitely a Key role because no one speaks WW so yeah
Seri H that's a great theory!
I agree, George R R Martin doesn't like 1D characters. But a) they've gone beyond the books now and D&D seem to be bringing everything to a classic fantasy final battle. b) the Night King may be a force of nature villain rather than a character per se. You wouldn't criticise Cthulhu for being a 1D character without motivation, that's kind of missing the point.
I think George, like a lot of people, completely missed the point of Tolkien's war. It's certainly got elements of being Black & White (a Manichean Struggle), but there are subtle undercurrents that exist. For example, when Sam witnesses the battle in Ithilien between the Rangers of Gondor and a force of Southrons/Haradrim. Sam clearly thought it was horrific and he wondered what had compelled the warrior of Harad, who literally dropped dead at his feet, to travel so far from home to attack Gondor and whether he was really evil at heart.
Another example, where you have to kind of get down into the weeds and pay attention is the meeting between Aragorn and The Mouth of Sauron, who in the book is entirely human and is of the Black Numenorean lineage. Fun fact: Black Numenoreans (ie - King's Men) were mostly of the House of Marach, who were noted for having blond hair and blue eyes. Doesn't really jive with the nonsense that "White = Good, Black = Bad" claims for supposed Racism on the part of Tolkien. So much for "Black & White" wars.
Besides Tolkien's legendarium is entirely a work of Catholic/Christian faith, but minus any actual religious iconography (there are no temples/fanes/churches and there is no organized worship), but there is proof of the Divine in the form of the Maiar of Middle-Earth (The Istari, Balrogs and Sauron). This is in direct contrast to Martin's world where organized religion is everywhere, but there is no overriding proof of anything Divine (or if there is Divine, its entirely of the Lovecraftian "Cosmic Horror" kind).
4:55 it's funny how you say that but when it actually happened you said you "liked it" interesting, interesting..
Hold the army of the dead at the neck. Pile trees up to form a barrier, when they attack light the barrier on fire. Use catapults to launch wildfire into the army and fire arrows. Have scorpions back up daenarys against undead rheagal and your good gg night king.
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I've thought things like this too. Make bomb shells out of ceramic and fill them with dragonglass shards in wildfire, gg. Or someone with a bit of inventiveness could ask Dany to have a dragon help them to rediscover the process of making Valyrian steel...
One weakness regarding this theory: if WW decide they should rise again in response to Dany's dragons birth (which in fact happened across the world and were babies at the time), why didn't they rise when Aegon attacked their land "westeros" with 3 fully grown fully trained for war mighty dragons? Not to mention the following 200 years when the Targaryeans had more and more dragons. How possibly could 3 baby dragons in the other side of the world be more of a threat than fully grown ones on their own lands??
In my personal opinion it's because the WW themselves have been building up a giant ass army ready to face the invading draconic force only to be surprised that nobody remembered them and laying off their weapons, but now with Jon running around westeros screaming that they exist, making weapons that kill them permanently, they are now forced to truly fight for their lives
Well Jon's only running around screaming because he saw their army and knows it's bearing down on Westeros. If the White Walker's goal was to live peacefully in the far north, they could've just done that. Another millennia and they would have been completely forgotten.
And if White Walkers are afraid of dragons--as you said, they've seen dragons invade and then die out before. The obvious answer is to wait it out again. No one is going to invade the far north. There's nothing there but cold, ice, and fairy tales.
I'm guessing that, if the theory is true, there is something special about Danaerys. Either that or they were shocked initially by Aegon and spent the last 200 years preparing for the war
or that's all bullshit, and they are just evil created by magic.
Weapons that kill the permanently? I swear that i've seen the same WW die atleast 4 times but perhaps dragon glass and valyrian steel only kills white walkers for a time i think if aslong as the nightking lives it doesn't matter, those walkers will always return
Watching this felt like hearing a really good, factual history lecture. Cool.
There were humans north of the wall for hundreds of years or more. To our knowledge, Kraster was the only man paying sacrifice to the white walkers since the Night's King. Why did the White Walkers wait so long to become aggressive? They begin slaughtering and moving closer to the wall at the beginning of the series, long after men have broken their vows. During the progression of the White Walkers Kraster is killed, Dragons are born and the Starks are removed from Winterfell.
I'm inclined to agree with you on the basic idea, I'm just keen on understanding why they wait so long to make their move.