Talking Thrones Dan, "the moon was a crescent, thin and SHARP AS THE BLADE OF A KNIFE"( said 3 times.) The white haired woman (snowy locks?) used a crescent blade too...love QOT.🌹 😊
how did old nan know about the crows? bran never said anything about the crows when he woke up. old nan immediately said "don't listen to them all crows are liars"
Old Nan: "Don't listen to it. Crows are all liars." Old Nan let something slip there. She understands their speech. I've said it before that Old Nan is much more than she seems. I just had a brainstorm that Old Nan might be Meera (who went to the past obviously) trying to tell Bran things which might help do the right thing in the future. An aside: "You will never walk again, but you will fly". I don't think this refers to him as flying when warging as he also walks when warging as a wolf or Hodor and he walks in his visions.
@26:11 I think this specific line, when Bran is in Hodor and looking at the CotF tangled in the Weirwood roots and says "Hodor" and then feels Hodor's consciousness stir at that moment is foreshadowing that there is no "blood raven", it's just blood raven's body with the collective consciousness of the weirwood having overtaken it, and that's exactly what that collective consciousness has planned for Bran (since the greenseer power does not transfer with the consciousness because it needs to transfer into a body that already has that power). The fact that Bran is supressing Hodor's consciousness to use his body, and at that exact moment when he's looking at the almost lifeless bodies of the children subsumed by the weirwood, he's reminded of that is no coincidence (remember how Bran felt the consciousness of the CotF when he first went into the raven). I think that collective consciousness lured blood raven there and now they've lured Bran for the same reason. As far as Jojen Paste goes... I think it is just as probably that the weirwoods (just like numerous plants in our world) probably have psychoactive alkaloids in its sap (E.g. Like numerous plants have DMT or mushrooms have psilocybin) and consuming that sap can alter consciousness in the same manner as shade of the evening.
Yessss TT 46 mins!!!!! keep them coming. You should def do more like this. Its keeps me company as well as informed in the drive home and that takes me 56 minutes!
The sacrifice of the man under the weirwood tree with the bronze sickle must be during the Age of the First Men, before the Andals came. Because the First Men used bronze, not iron which the Andals used. The Thenns also continue to use bronze in the present, and they are the tribe of humans that inhabit the farthest Northern territory, so perhaps they are the oldest of the First men too. Bran's visions passing in reverse order i.e. present - past support this theory as the Age of the First Men was a long time ago. So that white haired lady may well be the Night Queen in the Age of the First Men.
That wasn't a Bronze sickle, it was Dragonglass. And it was the CotF sacrificing one of the First Men to create the first of The Others, possibly the Night King to help them in their War against Men. The Night Queen was much later.
I think there could have been a full season just to brans story line and becoming a blood raven...including explaining who is all in the cript and past events that lead to them now
Legend has it the Night's Queen is in the crypt so that would have given away the eventuality of the Night King coming and one of the main reasons he was coming.
Either that or they should have done like a 5 year time skip, the same time we see Tyrion traveling which is also pointless and Dany in Mareen is pretty useless, a time skip could have helped alot
It's a good point, there's a part where Jon in Ghost dream where he sees the Weir Tree, starts to look like Bran etc, but when Jon/Ghost sniffs it sees leaves and DEATH behind it all and starts bearing his fangs, can't help but think of all the bones etc...and Jojenpaste
I think Ghost instinctively sensed the malevolence and dark magic contained within the essence of the Weir Tree. Jon Snow intuitively perceived it as well, either with the help of Ghost or due to his own powers of perception. Jon's vision showed that Bran is not the person he once was, and that Bran has his own dark hidden agenda. No doubt it's difficult for Jon to fully accept.
On the show, Jojen Reed almost looks like the life is litteraly being drained from him, as they get closer to the cave. He looks increasingly pale &clamy, no?
I'm just chilling, letting the video play in the background while I compose an email, hearing the video but not listening. And then suddenly I clue in to hear "Bran might use Hodor's body to have sex with Mira"... WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???
1 - YES YES YES Old Nan is key to all of this, she's been telling Bran not to trust crows and all along no one has dared to question the three-eyed raven without too many complications. It is complex of course, but how come we know about winter from the old nan but not the reality about crows... 2 - Tunnels...tunnels...they go to Winterfell's crypts, don't they? 3 -Branden...hahaa this Targaryen had been a Branden too, damn blood of Valyria... 4 - The chapter ...I feel everything is in there. Black like pitch, like tar, like crow's feathers. Black like Jon's cloak, black like what Branden was supposedly killed with, black like what keeps talking to him...
It's brilliant, well done. And all this details and possibilities make the show to become even more stupidly finished - not for the outcome, but regarding the construction itself (characters stupidization, narrative destruction, and so forth).
I wish the show would have gone into detail about all the Stark children's special abilities. The children all have the same ability as Bran. They should all be able to see Bran's visions. I'm thinking, that maybe Bran's visions and ability is far more significant or stronger than the other siblings?
So just a thought. Bloodraven talks about how bran shouldn't fear the dark. The followers of rhaelor say the night is dark and full of terrors. So I think this helps the whole bloodraven is working for the great other thing
If it were so Leaf could have taken Meera and Bran to safety to Winterfell without having to sacrifice the few other remaining children that were slaughtered to save them... please always analyse the consequences of your ideas before throwing unlikely conclusions...
Dee Nick well in the video it says there are places they (the children of the forest) haven’t discovered yet so maybe they don’t know it’s connected to the crypts.
Dee Nick A consequence of them going that way (if the tunnels did lead to the crypts) would be leading the wights there, too, so probably had a good reason not to go that way.
With this chapter I see Bran going down a very dark path. He's thinking about being vengeful and wroth and being the broken prince of a lost kingdom. When Meera and Jojen decide to explore the river, and Bran follows as Hodor, he didn't even think to skinchange into a raven to follow them. He had just learned how to fly a few paragraphs before, but nope he went as Hodor without a second thought. I'm kinda worried for the kid.
I think that might be as Meera and Jojen know that Bran can go as a raven, and might make the two suspicious when Meera just told Bran that he can't join. Whereas going as Hodor would not seem abnormal to Meera and Jojen, and be less suspicious.. then the only question would be, why would they not want Bran to join them in discovering the cave... But I agree, Bran is less and less sensitive to other people, it starts with invading their privacy doesn't it..
@@Bethany199 the only reason Bran wasn't able to join them is because he's crippled. The reason Meera gave was that Hodor wouldn't be able to carry Bran and climb up and down a rope at the same time, even though Hodor ends up hauling Jojen up a rope at one point. As a raven Bran would have been perfectly fine following them. I really don't think Meera and Jojen were trying to hide anything from Bran by not allowing him to follow, they just wanted him to be safe.
He's going to be easily corrupted by Bloodraven. I mean the whole entire book of Dunk and Egg they keep telling us not to trust him.. There's a reason for that
@@shortstuff780 I think the other way around. Reading "A World of Ice and Fire" and the whole story of Brynden, it seems that he really is the only one who can be trusted. He has no interest in power or the Iron Throne. He just follows what his visions tell him. This is why he abandoned the Night's Watch and joined the Children. They called him to meet them. He has the mission of training Bran so he can help to defeat the Others. He has waited until this moment to fulfill his destiny. He could have been selfish, get the throne for himself, marry his beautiful and awesome girlfriend, who also had magical powers and was his soul mate and true love. But he didn't. All his life, the only thing he did was serving Westeros. He maintained the peace eliminating crazy traitors and never fulfilled his own wishes. Brynden literally lived for the sake of others his whole life. He knew he was born different, one out of a thousand men. He accepted his destiny with no hesitation. He never used his tremendous power for his own benefit. Remember: he was born a natural mage (white hair, red eyes), a skinchanger, a greenseer and also a Targaryen, who have their own powers (profetic dreamer and dragon tamer). Literally he is the most powerful living being in the whole stories so far. Yet he never used that power to became like a God, who he could have easily been.
I would like to say thank you reading chapters in the book. I'm a visually impaired person Emily Sirota read books but as I've gotten older my vision test not allowed me to continue to be able to read them on my own. So it's very nice to be able to here chapters of the book 4 books so that I can still enjoy stories rather than just watching someone else's interpretation of the story. Again thank you to bring to life the joy of story telling for someone like me
I just noted the Night king was carrying huge chains on his dead horse when we see him first in season 7 episode 1 through Bran's eyes when they were waiting at castle black for Nights watch men to open the gates... check out that scene/shot and see the chains... does it mean that the night king knew he would need them to drag a dead dragon from water?
This is why your the only one i watch . Your game of thrones video’s are the best !! 46 minuts thank u so much !! Love the details u put in iT , and always use the things and history of the books . Love iT ! Thank u soooo muchh
When the Ghost of High Heart told people her prophecies she never uses names, she calls them by whatever animal is on their sigil (fish, golden stag, wolf child, etc). When she was alive Jenny of Oldstones said she was claimed she was a Child of the Forest. Leaf was also a Child of the Forest, maybe that is just how their brains operate most of the time. "The giants are almost gone as well" The sigil for House Umber (at least in the books) is a chained giant. "Unicorns are all but gone" four houses have unicorns on their sigils (Brax of Hornvale, Doggett, Roger's of Amberly and Wydman). According to the Wiki, there are only five males left in House Brax and no known members of Doggett, Rogers, or Wydman. "The great lions of the western hills have been slain" one of Tywin's nicknames is The Great Lion of the Rock. Tywin was slain in A Storm of Swords, Leaf's comments were made in A Dance with Dragons. "The mammoths down to a few hundred" I cant find a sigil with a mammoth, but they are ridden by giants. So, since Targaryans form bonds with the dragons they ride, then maybe the giants form bonds with their mammoths. "The direwolves will outlast us all" House Stark will survive and retain their power.
I think she’s talking about real animals not symbolically of houses. It’s likely that the Lannisters chose the lion as their sigil because it was a fearsome beast of the westerlands that they would be familiar with just as the Starks chose the great and fearsome direwolf. Not everything is a symbol or code for something else.
The whole "darkness is your friend, shield, strength" crap is foretelling, foreshadowing, forewarning and foreboding. I think i already know the path he's on. The question is will he see it in time.
I personally think you're spot on. It's blood magic of the darkest kind. They are all liars. When the children die, their souls go into the crows and the weirwood trees. In addition, I think there is a connection between them and the Stark family. "the Kings of Winter"
k pax, I think the blood sacrafice by the white haired woman was the first Stark, Brandon the builder? Stark blood magic to consecrate/ ward winterfell. There must always be a stark(living) in winterfell for the blood. The trees remember, but the North has forgotten. The pregnant women is most likely the Stark Daughter that Bael the bard impregnated.
You mean “ravens” and the weirwood trees. Crows are different. For example, bloodraven =/= three eyed crow 😉 If brans third eye opens then the three eyed crow will have an entry point to eating Brans memories (like irl how crows use the eyes of wounded/dead animals to feast on their innards). This is probably how the book will handle the Others entering the cave. They’ll “trick” bran into letting them in. Don’t trust the three eyed crow! Crows are all liars!
A crow is a raven. They are literally the same bird, just different names for different regions and countries. Like Australia doesn't have ravens but has crows
Great Job. The book is a masterpiece, so many details. The Series didn't put in all the details. Thank you for creating videos and sharing them with us. Appreciated!!
You’re producing really good videos...high five man your content is still great! So glad this is a long video! I can sit and relax for longer than 10-15 minutes. Take care!
That was literally my favorite scene in the series----the exchange between Littlefinger and Varys, and then the 'Chaos is a Ladder' monologue with Littlefinger's theme imposed over it, along with Sansa sobbing as the ship sailed and Joffrey having just killed in cold blood. Just an overall fantastic sequence....much praise to Conleth Hill and Aiden Gillen especially. :)
Not entirely true, Brad. The murals which Jon and his team found suggest that the Children and the First Men were allies against the NK. Yes, the Children created him, but then they fought against him. Doesn't really make sense unless things got out of hand----an accident.
The humans invaded the CotF lands, so aren't the humans the "bad guys" here? The people you're supporting aren't always the good guys, this show/books does a great job of showing that in many ways. Real life not far off.
The Children of the Forest, Leaf, said that they created the Night King to protect them from "you" then adds "men". That caught my attention. Did she mean Bran or you as a collective "you" meaning all men? I thought that could be telling..tin foil.. great vid as usual man!
the pregnant woman coming out of the hot springs is the daughter of the lord of winterfell in the bael the bard tale. the wildling king beyond the wall who climbed the wall, infiltrated winterfell and impregnated the lord of winterfell's daughter. she had a son who became king in the north and he beheaded the kind beyond the wall. the king beyond the wall could not bring himself to kill his son, so the king in the north killed him. i think that is most plausible
Thank you Talking Thrones! I always look for book chapter readings! I haven’t read them in a while and love the refreshers. I’m not going to reread them until George is almost done WoW... in other words, I’ll reread them in another decade 🤣
I think Old Nan was the woman the Three Eyed Raven was talking about when he said...”a woman he favored”. I think that is why Old Nan said...”don’t listen to crows they are all liars”. That sounds like an old lovers animosity to me. I think Old Nan is older than people think. That’s why no one knows her real name and she knows so much. I don’t think she is some kind of Oracle. I think she is so old she has actually lived through the history in the stories she tells.
damn dude. hands down best video ever!!!! I've been listening to you for years. I gotta listen to this one again. then re-read beans last chapter. thanks for your dedication my brother of the long night
Wow, great video. This took a lot of work and I am sooo grateful that you are still hear with Game of Thrones content. Just because the TV show was taken from us before it should have been, we fans are nonetheless still craving content. Thanks for this and all your GOT content 💜💙💚❤️
Dave Dogge it seems to me they might be affiliated with the great other. Seeing as the 3eyedbastard said that darkness would be his cloak and rhlor is all about setting things on fire. The contrast is obvious
In the Harry Potter series, Dumbledore keeps Harry Safe and befriends him, helps him...until it is just the right time to for him to die. What if tbe Children are keeping Bran safe, helping him until the army of the dead has slaughtered most of the living humans, and then they will use Bran by converting him to the new Night King to bring the Whites back under control?
What if Melisandre's vision in the flames is true? When she Blooraven and a boy with a wolf's face as being the Great Other? Bloodraven and Bran are champions of the Great Other, just as the Night King was. Who is left that is the "Fire" part in the Song of Ice and Fire? Starks and direwolves represent ice, and the sword's name is even Ice. Targaryens and dragons represent fire. If Dany is dead, and I say "IF".... and Jon is not allowed to reproduce.... then that only leaves Drogon and he can't reproduce either. Was that The Great Others real goal? To extinguish the Fire? Dany got stabbed in the heart by someone she loves. Jon got stabbed in the heart by someone he loved. Drogon flew off with Dany's body. Bran desperately wants to find Drogon. Dany can be brought back from the dead, same as Jon. The Red Priests and Priestesses serve the Lord of Light, the Great Other's arch-rival. And the Lord of Light is definitely on Team Dany, and Jon. And Drogon is insanely intelligent. Jon still has a big part to play, that is why Drogon didn't kill him. Drogon burning the Iron Throne shows vast intelligence. Drogon is taking Dany to a Red Priest/Priestess. And if that is the case.... could Dany be pregnant with Jon's baby? Did Tyrion come to fully understand what Bran wanted? The moment he realized his part he was set free. Tyrion knows Bran intends on living forever, and that Bran isn't really Bran. So when Tyrion said Bran the Broken should be King for life, he knew it meant for much longer than how the other Lords and Ladies took it. He knows Bran is not Bran but the 3 Eyed Raven. Him saying Bran the Broken should be King was like when Ned said "The Rightful Heir" instead of saying Joffrey. And Bran is Broken in more ways than 1. His back is broken and his legs don't work, but he is also possessed by an unknown entity. There has to be balance. Targaryen rule was going to be bad, we saw that. But Bran is the antithesis to Dany. With no Targaryens and only Starks, the Old Gods win. The Great Other wins. It can't just be a Song of Ice and Ice. Dany is still alive. She will have Jon's child. Tyrion will have to find a way to make Sansa understand what happened to her brother. Sansa will then have to make Jon understand. Dany will have to remain in Essos in hiding from Bran's thousand eyes. Daario and the Second Sons can eventually be rallied, as could the Unsulled and maybe the Dothraki once the time is right. The wheel wasn't broken. Now there are two. The jackass/honeycomb brothel joke was telling us things have come full circle, like in a wheel. A new game is afoot with a fresh new set of players. This is a story they can continue with 6-10 years down the road.
Yayyyyy ... It's TT-time ... great vid Dan (as always) The new season can't come along frikkin quick enough !!! Peace and love to all Got & TT fans out there x
I keep hearing references that Bran is incapable of sex, or having children due to his paralysis, but that isn’t necessarily true. Depending on what level of spinal cord damage he has, he could.
After Bran sees the White Walker origin, Leaf tells him that they were at war and being slaughtered. I could be wrong but that took place around 8000 b.c. which was a time of peace between The Children of the Forest amd The First Men. This would mean that she is definitaley lying.
She wwas probably describing the Maesters of Westeros who control the sending letters from anywhere in Westeros. Maesters train Ravensto send paper messages and can open the mail for all the Lord's of Westeros. And possibly change the words of the letters or hide letters.
@@covenawhite4855 ravens are not crows 😜 (couldn't help myself lol) generally, they are larger and smarter. A crow must flap its wings to maintain flight, they can only glide for a couple seconds and generally only while landing. Raven's glide, conserving energy, so it is able to travel farther without exhaustion, and are probably easier to train. The maesters aren't connected to crows enough for someone to use it in a story. Who says she meant crows as in the bird? She could be talking about the Night's Watch. wildlings call them Crows, and there is a theory that Old Nan is actually the daughter of a wildling that for one reason or another went to Winterfell and nursed Brandon Stark. It's like saying the Night's Watch are all liars. Bloodraven was in the Night's Watch until he left for the cave, everybody thought he was dead. They vow to father no children, but yet go to brothels and most likely have a handful of bastards near the wall. Their vow also includes guarding the realms of men but for the most part will not allow wildlings south of the wall, even when they know the severe risk to their lives if they stay. The land that is north of the wall technically counts as a realm of men with all the humans that live up there. One of the very first things included in the books and on the show is a sworn Brother deserting the Watch. He vowed to stay until his death, but deserted everybody and fled from the White Walkers, and there have been several other people who broke their oath and deserted the Wall. Most of the Watch have lied and broken their vows. So you cant really trust information that comes from them or that uses them as the main source.....they are all liars.
1) I thought the paste was said to be made from acorns. 2) my theory about the cave scene is that Bran, BloodRaven, and the Night King were all the same person at different times. So When they all meet in the cave, it's like the same person in the same place at 3 different points of his life.
Thats literally just what I thought of 10 minutes ago watching a video about is bran the NK, well clearly no he isn't as they were both next to each other, although that was the show, but still I think it makes more sense that maybe Bryn was the previous NK or even was just working with the NK to find a replacement for him, hence why I think we will find out in the future that Bran is the next NK. GRRM told the show writers Bran will become king, but they never said which king
The only thing that could take precedence to a talking thrones video? A job interview oh well I will reword myself and feast on these 46 minutes as soon as I am done!!
I did! I did get the job at the NYS Fair!! In addition, outstanding video as always! I’m waiting to move next month and then I’m going to start buying the books so then I can actually be more in tune for what the Canon is rather than just the amazing show. Your breakdowns are always so detailed and in-depth, definitely glad I waited until I had time to really pay attention, and you just blow my mind with your videos every time! Great job yet again!!
True, this means Bran has the power to do just that. And, Old Nan says crows are all liars, BR says Bran cannot change the past. Leaf says, though, that trees are not limited by the flow of time + Bran can enter the weirwood net, so ...
@@asuka813 Brynden Rivers is the 3-eyed crow as well as the 3-eyed raven. there is only 1 3-eyes crow but there have been a 3-eyed raven before him, just as Bran is now the 3-eyed raven. does that make sense? the 3-eyed raven is a title that is passed down to a successor, while the 3-eyed crow is just Brynden Rivers. the crow lies.
@@Kalleosini I'm not personally confused, the show and book use different terms. Hence why people are often confused. I'm already familiar with taxonomy.
Brandon knows what he's doing is wrong. Blood raven doesn't care when he steals Brandons body. He's stuck in the tree so he's having his new body delivered.
The three eyed Raven is a sacrifice to the old gods and a condition of the pact between the children of the forest and men the Weir woods magic is maintained through the sacrifices when one Greenseer has been spent another is required. The Wier Woods and the people they consume are the source of the walls magic
Talking Thrones once again with my GoT fix. Between seasons are the long nights and this one is longer than any in recent memory. Thanks once again, from Liberia
"A murder of ravens erupted from the hillside. screaming their sharp cries, black wings beating above a white world. A red sun rose and set and rose again, painting the snows in shades of rose and pink." Crows sticking their sharp knives into the "sun" - Jon that just rose, and then set, but rose again - just an idea.. I might be looking in too deep, or GRRM is too damn genius...
I really like this idea of taking on a full chapter. It's evident here that the cave is very similar to the crypts of Winterfell. Best video from you yet!!!
So your saying that leafs been around the entire time. From the very first white Walker up to the present. Is she immortal too?. Or is the vision that bran is shown of them creating a/the night king is a present creation.
There is definitely a connection between the crescent moon and the ceremonial sickle. Its possible that jojen was sacrificed to the heart tree. At first Bran thinks the paste is bitter but then it becomes sweet, this signifies him becoming more tree-like, like when he drinks the blood of the sacrifice in his vision.
This isn't a theory so much as an observation, but what if the Brandon Stark who could taste the blood at the end of the chapter wasn't actually our Bran? There were 15 Brandon Starks before Bran, and I just find it odd that it says ”Brandon Stark could taste the blood” because the actual text very rarely (I can't recall any time this happens, but correct me if I’m wrong) refers to Bran as Brandon Stark, only other characters or Bran himself. So maybe it was an other Brandon?
I believe the "I hope they grow up as close as brothers" was referring to Bran and Joffrey. When Ned was originally planning to leave Winterfell, he intended to bring all his children with them, he said this line about Bran and Joff, saying he hoped Bran's kind heart would help to bridge the gap between Stark and Lannister, since Rob already had it out for Joff. He wanted Bran and Joff to emulate himself and Robert.
What strikes me most about these passages from the books is how it resembles the creation of myth and history and perhaps GRRM's own creative process. Scrying, clearseeing or prophecy whatever is often brought about by eating or drinking substances e.g.flying ointment. Bran if you like is being absorbed into myth as a God as the story of Bran is like the Celtic God Bran who disguised himself and sacrificed himself in the cauldron of immortality to save mankind and his head subsequently sang and prophesied. So the Children are preparing Bran for sacrifice he may well mate for the "little death" beforehand. See The Dark Secret of Harvest Home. Characters meant for sacrifice are often "married" to the Goddess or her representative before death. See "The Golden Bough". I bet George has read all of this. The phases of the moon fit with Bran's visions beware the crescent sickle moon the moon of sacrifice Bran!
Always wanted to read the books before watching the series, but got caught in the damn series first. After listening to you read from the book I decided to buy it, but not before listening to you to the very end. New Subscriber. Thank you, keep up the good work!
46 minutes there is a God ..... Lol but thank you for the video please do more like this I listen to all your videos while I drive-in to work they keep me occupied so I don't freak out on people on the road Great video thanks
31:35 "A greenseer. He ate" Could this be a sort of shakesperean double entendre? As in both bran thinking of becoming a greenseer then eating as well as him eating a greenseer. Would be another point in favor of the jojen paste theory
Always a pleasure and to listen to your analyzes and thougts about the different the meaning of almost every single word i.e. possible clue inside the books and potentially the show. The way you are reading certain chapters of the books and related to one specific subject is awesome ( I didn't read because I am French speaking and apparently the books were not well translated) altough sometimes it's not always easy to understand. But I try my best and this story is really a brain teaser (puzzle) but so fabulous. Apparently Bran saw Winterfell burning that is also what will apparently happen in season 8 and the other thing that made me react also is again the color of the eyes which we heard Melissandre talking about when looking in Atya's ones but maybe here it has nothing to do as you are referring to the cave of secret. Ghost red eyes for exemple Jon's direwolf. Anyway this part was so interesting and brilliant and apparently the whole story of Got is just a huge numbers of lies which began in Season one Robert's rebellion. Impatient to see and hear the next one. Thanks a lot for your incredible job!
i threw this idea out there very recently.. in response to a video about potential betrayals in the final season. and that lead me to big ideas like not only maesters.. but the Children of the Forest... perhaps they never gave up.. whatever agreement they made with men was a deception.. and only to stay alive and hopefully find another opportunity to kill every man in Westeros.. the White Walkers are the red herring.. and they kept Blood Raven in that tree as a captive.. and his only way to be free was to manipulate Bran.. and now they are trying to use him as well...
Talking Thrones those bones are there before bran gets there, and the whites cant access the cave until the NK touches Bran, so how could they be whites bones?
Ryan H I think that Bran has made the same journey 1000 times, they're actually his bones! The 3 eyed raven has gone back many times to find his younger self to change the future outcome.
EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR A CHAPTER DISCUSSION AND (AS USUAL) GREAT NARRATIVE JOB! THANK YOU...WoW..So much info, so much to discuss - I'm so excited... let's gets started!!!
Absolutely amazing how deep we have gotten in this story. Has there ever been another story with so many theories, questions, possibilities and predictions
The Children beyond the Wall could be the faction that wants to destroy humanity, while those south of the Wall were perhaps the more agreeable kind. If the legends are true, there were quite a few Children of the Forest south of the Wall. But they were slaughtered by the Andals alongside many of their First-Men allies when the Andals invaded. Perhaps those slaughtered Children were more or less a separate faction that really did ally themselves with mankind, regardless of whether the alliance was genuine or if those Children too had some hidden agenda. Whatever the case, most of the Children south of the Wall were slaughtered, and that would have only hardened the icy resolve of the Children north of the Wall even further.
Great vid as always Dan. Love the books. Far more in depth and detailed.. I do wonder if the cotf will be the final twist.. Would be insane if the were!
Thanks! I'm not sure how the show will do it. We may not see anymore COTF in the show, unless we go to the God's Eye, but in the books, I think the COTF will be a part of some bigger twist. GRRM still hasn't revealed how the COTF created the White Walkers in the books, so who knows how all that works out in his version.
Yes I do love listening to your reading but also the many thoughts you encourage. I read the game of thrones far back in the nineties. Most people think this series was his first works they were not. He is one of the best writers, a living legend in our time. I have followed the movies as well any reader will tell you the book is always better. But in generations to come George RR Martin will be remembered. As I grow older reading strains my vision. You read for me so beautifully, I will never be able to thank you enough.
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Talking Thrones Dan, "the moon was a crescent, thin and SHARP AS THE BLADE OF A KNIFE"( said 3 times.) The white haired woman (snowy locks?) used a crescent blade too...love QOT.🌹 😊
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Thank you so much for continuing the channel even after Game of Thrones finished I will keep watching you as long as you keep doing videos
The north remembers
GOT may be finished but readers still have at least two more books coming out.
A Song of Ice and Fire is not yet finished.
"Don't listen to it, all crows are liars" old Nan
It’s interesting that old nan mite have known bloodraven too…
how did old nan know about the crows? bran never said anything about the crows when he woke up. old nan immediately said "don't listen to them all crows are liars"
@@stephenfarrell-lt1kx swear bran tells her "the crow said i could fly" or something like that when he woke up
She may be onto something, it seems the 3 eyed raven isn't a good person, uses the ravens to his benefit. Something tells me she knows more
@@BlazeBuds bloodraven. Just look him up.
Old Nan: "Don't listen to it. Crows are all liars." Old Nan let something slip there. She understands their speech. I've said it before that Old Nan is much more than she seems. I just had a brainstorm that Old Nan might be Meera (who went to the past obviously) trying to tell Bran things which might help do the right thing in the future. An aside: "You will never walk again, but you will fly". I don't think this refers to him as flying when warging as he also walks when warging as a wolf or Hodor and he walks in his visions.
I thought the flying would be an ice dragon
The book makes warging out to be a far more intimate and invasive process. Just what taking over another's free will should be like.
@26:11 I think this specific line, when Bran is in Hodor and looking at the CotF tangled in the Weirwood roots and says "Hodor" and then feels Hodor's consciousness stir at that moment is foreshadowing that there is no "blood raven", it's just blood raven's body with the collective consciousness of the weirwood having overtaken it, and that's exactly what that collective consciousness has planned for Bran (since the greenseer power does not transfer with the consciousness because it needs to transfer into a body that already has that power). The fact that Bran is supressing Hodor's consciousness to use his body, and at that exact moment when he's looking at the almost lifeless bodies of the children subsumed by the weirwood, he's reminded of that is no coincidence (remember how Bran felt the consciousness of the CotF when he first went into the raven).
I think that collective consciousness lured blood raven there and now they've lured Bran for the same reason.
As far as Jojen Paste goes... I think it is just as probably that the weirwoods (just like numerous plants in our world) probably have psychoactive alkaloids in its sap (E.g. Like numerous plants have DMT or mushrooms have psilocybin) and consuming that sap can alter consciousness in the same manner as shade of the evening.
Some of the best readings from the books, thanks for bringing it to life.
Yessss TT 46 mins!!!!! keep them coming. You should def do more like this. Its keeps me company as well as informed in the drive home and that takes me 56 minutes!
Thanks! Hope you enjoy 😉
Absolutely agree!! I like the long videos.
This is the best ,most complete commentary on the books and television series within the franchise that i've yet to come across .Well done .
The sacrifice of the man under the weirwood tree with the bronze sickle must be during the Age of the First Men, before the Andals came. Because the First Men used bronze, not iron which the Andals used. The Thenns also continue to use bronze in the present, and they are the tribe of humans that inhabit the farthest Northern territory, so perhaps they are the oldest of the First men too. Bran's visions passing in reverse order i.e. present - past support this theory as the Age of the First Men was a long time ago. So that white haired lady may well be the Night Queen in the Age of the First Men.
That wasn't a Bronze sickle, it was Dragonglass. And it was the CotF sacrificing one of the First Men to create the first of The Others, possibly the Night King to help them in their War against Men. The Night Queen was much later.
You gotta remember how the Author plays on History as if the history given isn't accurate.
I think there could have been a full season just to brans story line and becoming a blood raven...including explaining who is all in the cript and past events that lead to them now
Agreed, we could have seen more of the treachery around the rebellion. Even had a prequel within the show about the Targaryen’s.
Legend has it the Night's Queen is in the crypt so that would have given away the eventuality of the Night King coming and one of the main reasons he was coming.
Bran should have been a spin off series between season 4 & 6. 2 seasons would have been best.
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Either that or they should have done like a 5 year time skip, the same time we see Tyrion traveling which is also pointless and Dany in Mareen is pretty useless, a time skip could have helped alot
It's a good point, there's a part where Jon in Ghost dream where he sees the Weir Tree, starts to look like Bran etc, but when Jon/Ghost sniffs it sees leaves and DEATH behind it all and starts bearing his fangs, can't help but think of all the bones etc...and Jojenpaste
I think Ghost instinctively sensed the malevolence and dark magic contained within the essence of the Weir Tree. Jon Snow intuitively perceived it as well, either with the help of Ghost or due to his own powers of perception.
Jon's vision showed that Bran is not the person he once was, and that Bran has his own dark hidden agenda. No doubt it's difficult for Jon to fully accept.
On the show, Jojen Reed almost looks like the life is litteraly being drained from him, as they get closer to the cave. He looks increasingly pale &clamy, no?
He is sickly and traveling in extreme conditions it makes sense for him to look this way.
@@acendiatstudios6517 bran Meera and hodor all look fine
like I said Jojen is sickly that is why he is always accompanied by Meera.
I agree and thought the same while watching
because he knew he was going to die. He could literally see the future. I would be pretty sick too.
This is like a whole episode in and of itself. I love it. Such a fan.
I'm just chilling, letting the video play in the background while I compose an email, hearing the video but not listening. And then suddenly I clue in to hear "Bran might use Hodor's body to have sex with Mira"...
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???
@Vandercus Dimachaeri thinking that too..... Dude was portrayed as hung af
@Vandercus Dimachaeri what's he talking about? didnt hodor just die holding that damn door?
yeah sorry to burst your fanfic bubbles,but hodor is dead
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@@Batnano this wood have happened before he did.. But still.. Gross
Hell yes, love the longer video! You are the gold standard, the 'Iron Bank of Braavos' of GoT theories and content!
Thank you very much!!
1 - YES YES YES Old Nan is key to all of this, she's been telling Bran not to trust crows and all along no one has dared to question the three-eyed raven without too many complications. It is complex of course, but how come we know about winter from the old nan but not the reality about crows...
2 - Tunnels...tunnels...they go to Winterfell's crypts, don't they?
3 -Branden...hahaa this Targaryen had been a Branden too, damn blood of Valyria...
4 - The chapter ...I feel everything is in there. Black like pitch, like tar, like crow's feathers.
Black like Jon's cloak, black like what Branden was supposedly killed with, black like what keeps talking to him...
It's brilliant, well done. And all this details and possibilities make the show to become even more stupidly finished - not for the outcome, but regarding the construction itself (characters stupidization, narrative destruction, and so forth).
I wish the show would have gone into detail about all the Stark children's special abilities. The children all have the same ability as Bran. They should all be able to see Bran's visions. I'm thinking, that maybe Bran's visions and ability is far more significant or stronger than the other siblings?
All that is needed for a good read is a good background music as this and a narrator that can hold the attention. Good one T.T.
Hahaha dude you're creeping me out with the Hodor. Brann & Meera sex thing
Good grief, such a screwed up thing but the type of thing GRRM would do
It's a misconception that paraplegics can't have sex. Different set of nerves. Bran and Meera could do it, but she'd have to do all the work
... Isn't Hodor dead?
@@weaponizedconfusion Doesn't mean he won't be at the battle for Winterfell...
I agree please no
Dan, there’s so much detail I listened to this video twice. Thanks for the enlightenment.
So just a thought. Bloodraven talks about how bran shouldn't fear the dark. The followers of rhaelor say the night is dark and full of terrors. So I think this helps the whole bloodraven is working for the great other thing
But he wasn’t
How do you know? No one knows yet
What if the Bloodraven's cave is connected to the Crypts at Winterfell?
Ooooooo
If it were so Leaf could have taken Meera and Bran to safety to Winterfell without having to sacrifice the few other remaining children that were slaughtered to save them... please always analyse the consequences of your ideas before throwing unlikely conclusions...
Dee Nick well in the video it says there are places they (the children of the forest) haven’t discovered yet so maybe they don’t know it’s connected to the crypts.
Dee Nick A consequence of them going that way (if the tunnels did lead to the crypts) would be leading the wights there, too, so probably had a good reason not to go that way.
I thought the same,
because the section in the crypt @ Winterfell that's collapsed and the sections they tell Bran and his company to stay away from.
What if the children are trying to make bran into their weapon against man in the books?
because they do
@@blAnc1k And on the show, we just put THEM on the Throne... geez!
I think that the Night King is Ramsay Snow's relatives.
With this chapter I see Bran going down a very dark path. He's thinking about being vengeful and wroth and being the broken prince of a lost kingdom. When Meera and Jojen decide to explore the river, and Bran follows as Hodor, he didn't even think to skinchange into a raven to follow them. He had just learned how to fly a few paragraphs before, but nope he went as Hodor without a second thought. I'm kinda worried for the kid.
I think that might be as Meera and Jojen know that Bran can go as a raven, and might make the two suspicious when Meera just told Bran that he can't join. Whereas going as Hodor would not seem abnormal to Meera and Jojen, and be less suspicious.. then the only question would be, why would they not want Bran to join them in discovering the cave...
But I agree, Bran is less and less sensitive to other people, it starts with invading their privacy doesn't it..
@@Bethany199 the only reason Bran wasn't able to join them is because he's crippled. The reason Meera gave was that Hodor wouldn't be able to carry Bran and climb up and down a rope at the same time, even though Hodor ends up hauling Jojen up a rope at one point. As a raven Bran would have been perfectly fine following them. I really don't think Meera and Jojen were trying to hide anything from Bran by not allowing him to follow, they just wanted him to be safe.
He's going to be easily corrupted by Bloodraven.
I mean the whole entire book of Dunk and Egg they keep telling us not to trust him.. There's a reason for that
@@shortstuff780 I think the other way around. Reading "A World of Ice and Fire" and the whole story of Brynden, it seems that he really is the only one who can be trusted. He has no interest in power or the Iron Throne. He just follows what his visions tell him. This is why he abandoned the Night's Watch and joined the Children. They called him to meet them.
He has the mission of training Bran so he can help to defeat the Others. He has waited until this moment to fulfill his destiny. He could have been selfish, get the throne for himself, marry his beautiful and awesome girlfriend, who also had magical powers and was his soul mate and true love. But he didn't. All his life, the only thing he did was serving Westeros. He maintained the peace eliminating crazy traitors and never fulfilled his own wishes.
Brynden literally lived for the sake of others his whole life. He knew he was born different, one out of a thousand men. He accepted his destiny with no hesitation. He never used his tremendous power for his own benefit. Remember: he was born a natural mage (white hair, red eyes), a skinchanger, a greenseer and also a Targaryen, who have their own powers (profetic dreamer and dragon tamer).
Literally he is the most powerful living being in the whole stories so far. Yet he never used that power to became like a God, who he could have easily been.
If he went as a raven he would have been no help if needed...turns out he was right helping jojen
I would like to say thank you reading chapters in the book. I'm a visually impaired person Emily Sirota read books but as I've gotten older my vision test not allowed me to continue to be able to read them on my own. So it's very nice to be able to here chapters of the book 4 books so that I can still enjoy stories rather than just watching someone else's interpretation of the story. Again thank you to bring to life the joy of story telling for someone like me
I would definitely buy your audiobooks if you were ever to do that.
I just noted the Night king was carrying huge chains on his dead horse when we see him first in season 7 episode 1 through Bran's eyes when they were waiting at castle black for Nights watch men to open the gates... check out that scene/shot and see the chains... does it mean that the night king knew he would need them to drag a dead dragon from water?
Do more of this. Reading the chapters with breakdowns. Especially Dunk and Egg. To many show watchers don't have this knowledge
This is why your the only one i watch . Your game of thrones video’s are the best !! 46 minuts thank u so much !! Love the details u put in iT , and always use the things and history of the books . Love iT ! Thank u soooo muchh
"the great lions of the western hills are gone" is it just me or does that sound like the lannisters...
I thought the same thing but I'm pretty sure he was talking about actual lions.
When the Ghost of High Heart told people her prophecies she never uses names, she calls them by whatever animal is on their sigil (fish, golden stag, wolf child, etc). When she was alive Jenny of Oldstones said she was claimed she was a Child of the Forest. Leaf was also a Child of the Forest, maybe that is just how their brains operate most of the time.
"The giants are almost gone as well" The sigil for House Umber (at least in the books) is a chained giant.
"Unicorns are all but gone" four houses have unicorns on their sigils (Brax of Hornvale, Doggett, Roger's of Amberly and Wydman). According to the Wiki, there are only five males left in House Brax and no known members of Doggett, Rogers, or Wydman.
"The great lions of the western hills have been slain" one of Tywin's nicknames is The Great Lion of the Rock. Tywin was slain in A Storm of Swords, Leaf's comments were made in A Dance with Dragons.
"The mammoths down to a few hundred" I cant find a sigil with a mammoth, but they are ridden by giants. So, since Targaryans form bonds with the dragons they ride, then maybe the giants form bonds with their mammoths.
"The direwolves will outlast us all" House Stark will survive and retain their power.
I think she’s talking about real animals not symbolically of houses. It’s likely that the Lannisters chose the lion as their sigil because it was a fearsome beast of the westerlands that they would be familiar with just as the Starks chose the great and fearsome direwolf. Not everything is a symbol or code for something else.
The whole "darkness is your friend, shield, strength" crap is foretelling, foreshadowing, forewarning and foreboding. I think i already know the path he's on. The question is will he see it in time.
I personally think you're spot on. It's blood magic of the darkest kind. They are all liars. When the children die, their souls go into the crows and the weirwood trees. In addition, I think there is a connection between them and the Stark family. "the Kings of Winter"
Nice! Thankfully some people can see it this way too.
it's no coincidence that most of the Stark's can warg (in the books anyways).
k pax, I think the blood sacrafice by the white haired woman was the first Stark, Brandon the builder? Stark blood magic to consecrate/ ward winterfell. There must always be a stark(living) in winterfell for the blood. The trees remember, but the North has forgotten. The pregnant women is most likely the Stark Daughter that Bael the bard impregnated.
You mean “ravens” and the weirwood trees. Crows are different. For example, bloodraven =/= three eyed crow 😉 If brans third eye opens then the three eyed crow will have an entry point to eating Brans memories (like irl how crows use the eyes of wounded/dead animals to feast on their innards). This is probably how the book will handle the Others entering the cave. They’ll “trick” bran into letting them in. Don’t trust the three eyed crow! Crows are all liars!
A crow is a raven. They are literally the same bird, just different names for different regions and countries. Like Australia doesn't have ravens but has crows
Great Job. The book is a masterpiece, so many details. The Series didn't put in all the details. Thank you for creating videos and sharing them with us. Appreciated!!
My favourite video of yours Talking Thrones! I like when you read a whole chapter and help us decipher it with your knowledge. Much appreciated mate
You’re producing really good videos...high five man your content is still great! So glad this is a long video! I can sit and relax for longer than 10-15 minutes. Take care!
This is great stuff. Thank you. Have read the books twice and watched the series twice. Nice to hear your take on things. Much appreciated!
The intro...Little Finger, may he rest in peace, that little weasle! ...Great video TT!
That was literally my favorite scene in the series----the exchange between Littlefinger and Varys, and then the 'Chaos is a Ladder' monologue with Littlefinger's theme imposed over it, along with Sansa sobbing as the ship sailed and Joffrey having just killed in cold blood. Just an overall fantastic sequence....much praise to Conleth Hill and Aiden Gillen especially. :)
I’m not trusting the children of the forest...
I feel like they will be back near the very end of season 8... something doesn’t sit right
I'd love to see a stare-down between Leaf and the NK. Too bad Leaf's gone now....
The children of the forest are only known as aliens to us.
Not entirely true, Brad. The murals which Jon and his team found suggest that the Children and the First Men were allies against the NK. Yes, the Children created him, but then they fought against him. Doesn't really make sense unless things got out of hand----an accident.
The humans invaded the CotF lands, so aren't the humans the "bad guys" here? The people you're supporting aren't always the good guys, this show/books does a great job of showing that in many ways. Real life not far off.
@@sailorplanetos3075 In the show they are dead not in books
The Children of the Forest, Leaf, said that they created the Night King to protect them from "you" then adds "men". That caught my attention. Did she mean Bran or you as a collective "you" meaning all men? I thought that could be telling..tin foil.. great vid as usual man!
Maybe she meant men as in males, not humans ... after all, there are no male CotF above ground.
Ok it could simply be Bran. Didn't Old Nan say that all the Brandon Starks are one in the same. Each one has had some magical power. Just a thought
SHe meant the First Men, who were at war with the children.
the pregnant woman coming out of the hot springs is the daughter of the lord of winterfell in the bael the bard tale. the wildling king beyond the wall who climbed the wall, infiltrated winterfell and impregnated the lord of winterfell's daughter. she had a son who became king in the north and he beheaded the kind beyond the wall. the king beyond the wall could not bring himself to kill his son, so the king in the north killed him. i think that is most plausible
Thank you Talking Thrones! I always look for book chapter readings! I haven’t read them in a while and love the refreshers. I’m not going to reread them until George is almost done WoW... in other words, I’ll reread them in another decade 🤣
This is one of my favorite videos you have made so far! This was my favorite chapter from Dance with Dragons 🖤
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I think Old Nan was the woman the Three Eyed Raven was talking about when he said...”a woman he favored”. I think that is why Old Nan said...”don’t listen to crows they are all liars”. That sounds like an old lovers animosity to me. I think Old Nan is older than people think. That’s why no one knows her real name and she knows so much. I don’t think she is some kind of Oracle. I think she is so old she has actually lived through the history in the stories she tells.
Valerie Turner he was referring to Shiera Seastar, his half-sister
Silverlight McNamara Yes sir...that’s what I am saying😉
damn dude. hands down best video ever!!!! I've been listening to you for years. I gotta listen to this one again. then re-read beans last chapter. thanks for your dedication my brother of the long night
brans last chapter not beans wtf
Wow, great video. This took a lot of work and I am sooo grateful that you are still hear with Game of Thrones content. Just because the TV show was taken from us before it should have been, we fans are nonetheless still craving content. Thanks for this and all your GOT content 💜💙💚❤️
I also think that those Children of the Forrest are up to no good, they've created so many problems for themselves and for the people of Westeros.
Dave Dogge it seems to me they might be affiliated with the great other. Seeing as the 3eyedbastard said that darkness would be his cloak and rhlor is all about setting things on fire. The contrast is obvious
Yeah, the nerve of those people, defending their ancestral homes and all....
Dave Dogge I agree, they are children after all 🤔😉😊
the children of the forest wanted their lands back, they created the wights to defend themselves from the first men
They are defending what's ancestrally theirs.
I am so happy I found this channel it was hard for me to understand what exactly I was reading in the books lol so thank you!
In the Harry Potter series, Dumbledore keeps Harry Safe and befriends him, helps him...until it is just the right time to for him to die. What if tbe Children are keeping Bran safe, helping him until the army of the dead has slaughtered most of the living humans, and then they will use Bran by converting him to the new Night King to bring the Whites back under control?
If we're looking for clues based on other books I would study LoTR and not HP. It would be more akin to that
@@thepiperreport8198 I absolutely agree. It was more just citing a parallel literary device and not a clue.
"The birds would speak the words,"
Well then, I didn't expect to hear those words in that order.
Antoine Vello I always wondered how that happened.
What if Melisandre's vision in the flames is true?
When she Blooraven and a boy with a wolf's face as being the Great Other?
Bloodraven and Bran are champions of the Great Other, just as the Night King was.
Who is left that is the "Fire" part in the Song of Ice and Fire?
Starks and direwolves represent ice, and the sword's name is even Ice.
Targaryens and dragons represent fire.
If Dany is dead, and I say "IF".... and Jon is not allowed to reproduce.... then that only leaves Drogon and he can't reproduce either.
Was that The Great Others real goal?
To extinguish the Fire?
Dany got stabbed in the heart by someone she loves.
Jon got stabbed in the heart by someone he loved.
Drogon flew off with Dany's body.
Bran desperately wants to find Drogon.
Dany can be brought back from the dead, same as Jon.
The Red Priests and Priestesses serve the Lord of Light, the Great Other's arch-rival.
And the Lord of Light is definitely on Team Dany, and Jon.
And Drogon is insanely intelligent.
Jon still has a big part to play, that is why Drogon didn't kill him.
Drogon burning the Iron Throne shows vast intelligence.
Drogon is taking Dany to a Red Priest/Priestess.
And if that is the case.... could Dany be pregnant with Jon's baby?
Did Tyrion come to fully understand what Bran wanted?
The moment he realized his part he was set free.
Tyrion knows Bran intends on living forever, and that Bran isn't really Bran.
So when Tyrion said Bran the Broken should be King for life, he knew it meant for much longer than how the other Lords and Ladies took it.
He knows Bran is not Bran but the 3 Eyed Raven.
Him saying Bran the Broken should be King was like when Ned said "The Rightful Heir" instead of saying Joffrey.
And Bran is Broken in more ways than 1.
His back is broken and his legs don't work, but he is also possessed by an unknown entity.
There has to be balance.
Targaryen rule was going to be bad, we saw that.
But Bran is the antithesis to Dany.
With no Targaryens and only Starks, the Old Gods win.
The Great Other wins.
It can't just be a Song of Ice and Ice.
Dany is still alive. She will have Jon's child.
Tyrion will have to find a way to make Sansa understand what happened to her brother.
Sansa will then have to make Jon understand.
Dany will have to remain in Essos in hiding from Bran's thousand eyes.
Daario and the Second Sons can eventually be rallied, as could the Unsulled and maybe the Dothraki once the time is right.
The wheel wasn't broken.
Now there are two.
The jackass/honeycomb brothel joke was telling us things have come full circle, like in a wheel.
A new game is afoot with a fresh new set of players.
This is a story they can continue with 6-10 years down the road.
Eric East love the post and theory my friend.
Great food for thought. Thanks for all your possible scenarios 😎
Dude....that was really fun to read through. Any chance you write GOT fanfiction? If so, id love to read it 😊
Dragons can reproduce. Drogon and his babies won't have riders though...
Yayyyyy ... It's TT-time ... great vid Dan (as always)
The new season can't come along frikkin quick enough !!!
Peace and love to all Got & TT fans out there x
Thanks Craig
I keep hearing references that Bran is incapable of sex, or having children due to his paralysis, but that isn’t necessarily true. Depending on what level of spinal cord damage he has, he could.
He’s like 6 why is anybody thinking about this 🤮
After Bran sees the White Walker origin, Leaf tells him that they were at war and being slaughtered. I could be wrong but that took place around 8000 b.c. which was a time of peace between The Children of the Forest amd The First Men. This would mean that she is definitaley lying.
How does Old Nan know the crows are all liars... Can she understand their "caws"?
She wwas probably describing the Maesters of Westeros who control the sending letters from anywhere in Westeros. Maesters train Ravensto send paper messages and can open the mail for all the Lord's of Westeros. And possibly change the words of the letters or hide letters.
@@covenawhite4855 ravens are not crows 😜 (couldn't help myself lol) generally, they are larger and smarter. A crow must flap its wings to maintain flight, they can only glide for a couple seconds and generally only while landing. Raven's glide, conserving energy, so it is able to travel farther without exhaustion, and are probably easier to train. The maesters aren't connected to crows enough for someone to use it in a story.
Who says she meant crows as in the bird? She could be talking about the Night's Watch. wildlings call them Crows, and there is a theory that Old Nan is actually the daughter of a wildling that for one reason or another went to Winterfell and nursed Brandon Stark. It's like saying the Night's Watch are all liars. Bloodraven was in the Night's Watch until he left for the cave, everybody thought he was dead. They vow to father no children, but yet go to brothels and most likely have a handful of bastards near the wall. Their vow also includes guarding the realms of men but for the most part will not allow wildlings south of the wall, even when they know the severe risk to their lives if they stay. The land that is north of the wall technically counts as a realm of men with all the humans that live up there. One of the very first things included in the books and on the show is a sworn Brother deserting the Watch. He vowed to stay until his death, but deserted everybody and fled from the White Walkers, and there have been several other people who broke their oath and deserted the Wall. Most of the Watch have lied and broken their vows. So you cant really trust information that comes from them or that uses them as the main source.....they are all liars.
1) I thought the paste was said to be made from acorns. 2) my theory about the cave scene is that Bran, BloodRaven, and the Night King were all the same person at different times. So When they all meet in the cave, it's like the same person in the same place at 3 different points of his life.
Thats literally just what I thought of 10 minutes ago watching a video about is bran the NK, well clearly no he isn't as they were both next to each other, although that was the show, but still I think it makes more sense that maybe Bryn was the previous NK or even was just working with the NK to find a replacement for him, hence why I think we will find out in the future that Bran is the next NK. GRRM told the show writers Bran will become king, but they never said which king
The only thing that could take precedence to a talking thrones video? A job interview oh well I will reword myself and feast on these 46 minutes as soon as I am done!!
See ya soon!
Good luck at your interview. I hope it goes great!
Good luck on your interview! =)
I did! I did get the job at the NYS Fair!! In addition, outstanding video as always! I’m waiting to move next month and then I’m going to start buying the books so then I can actually be more in tune for what the Canon is rather than just the amazing show. Your breakdowns are always so detailed and in-depth, definitely glad I waited until I had time to really pay attention, and you just blow my mind with your videos every time! Great job yet again!!
Congrats!
Huge clue is when Bran tells them he saw his father, he is not dead. And Leaf says DO NOT CALL HIM BACK FROM DEATH!
True, this means Bran has the power to do just that. And, Old Nan says crows are all liars, BR says Bran cannot change the past. Leaf says, though, that trees are not limited by the flow of time + Bran can enter the weirwood net, so ...
@@janeway73 maybe he bought jon back? he could be the lord of light maybe lol
@Boxing Can Never Die It is confusing when the book calls him 'three eyed crow' and the show 'three eyed raven'.
@@asuka813 Brynden Rivers is the 3-eyed crow as well as the 3-eyed raven.
there is only 1 3-eyes crow but there have been a 3-eyed raven before him, just as Bran is now the 3-eyed raven.
does that make sense?
the 3-eyed raven is a title that is passed down to a successor, while the 3-eyed crow is just Brynden Rivers.
the crow lies.
@@Kalleosini I'm not personally confused, the show and book use different terms. Hence why people are often confused. I'm already familiar with taxonomy.
Great intro! 46 min video, this man playing no games! Can't wait
"You'll never walk again".... then Bran wargs into Hodor
Brandon knows what he's doing is wrong. Blood raven doesn't care when he steals Brandons body. He's stuck in the tree so he's having his new body delivered.
The three eyed Raven is a sacrifice to the old gods and a condition of the pact between the children of the forest and men the Weir woods magic is maintained through the sacrifices when one Greenseer has been spent another is required. The Wier Woods and the people they consume are the source of the walls magic
Talking Thrones once again with my GoT fix. Between seasons are the long nights and this one is longer than any in recent memory. Thanks once again, from Liberia
"A murder of ravens erupted from the hillside. screaming their sharp cries, black wings beating above a white world. A red sun rose and set and rose again, painting the snows in shades of rose and pink."
Crows sticking their sharp knives into the "sun" - Jon that just rose, and then set, but rose again - just an idea.. I might be looking in too deep, or GRRM is too damn genius...
I really like this idea of taking on a full chapter. It's evident here that the cave is very similar to the crypts of Winterfell. Best video from you yet!!!
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So your saying that leafs been around the entire time. From the very first white Walker up to the present. Is she immortal too?. Or is the vision that bran is shown of them creating a/the night king is a present creation.
There is definitely a connection between the crescent moon and the ceremonial sickle. Its possible that jojen was sacrificed to the heart tree. At first Bran thinks the paste is bitter but then it becomes sweet, this signifies him becoming more tree-like, like when he drinks the blood of the sacrifice in his vision.
This isn't a theory so much as an observation, but what if the Brandon Stark who could taste the blood at the end of the chapter wasn't actually our Bran? There were 15 Brandon Starks before Bran, and I just find it odd that it says ”Brandon Stark could taste the blood” because the actual text very rarely (I can't recall any time this happens, but correct me if I’m wrong) refers to Bran as Brandon Stark, only other characters or Bran himself. So maybe it was an other Brandon?
I believe the "I hope they grow up as close as brothers" was referring to Bran and Joffrey. When Ned was originally planning to leave Winterfell, he intended to bring all his children with them, he said this line about Bran and Joff, saying he hoped Bran's kind heart would help to bridge the gap between Stark and Lannister, since Rob already had it out for Joff. He wanted Bran and Joff to emulate himself and Robert.
What strikes me most about these passages from the books is how it resembles the creation of myth and history and perhaps GRRM's own creative process. Scrying, clearseeing or prophecy whatever is often brought about by eating or drinking substances e.g.flying ointment. Bran if you like is being absorbed into myth as a God as the story of Bran is like the Celtic God Bran who disguised himself and sacrificed himself in the cauldron of immortality to save mankind and his head subsequently sang and prophesied. So the Children are preparing Bran for sacrifice he may well mate for the "little death" beforehand. See The Dark Secret of Harvest Home. Characters meant for sacrifice are often "married" to the Goddess or her representative before death. See "The Golden Bough". I bet George has read all of this. The phases of the moon fit with Bran's visions beware the crescent sickle moon the moon of sacrifice Bran!
I am so glad I found your channel!
Congratulations for one of the most compelling, beautifully rendered explanations of GOT that I have ever had the pleasure of watching. Pure artistry
33:30 leaf claims to have seen 200 years, yet we see her create the night king. Wasn't that 1000's of years ago?
Always wanted to read the books before watching the series, but got caught in the damn series first. After listening to you read from the book I decided to buy it, but not before listening to you to the very end. New Subscriber. Thank you, keep up the good work!
DUDE THUMBS UP AND ALL OF MY RESPECT FOR PUTTING SO MUCH EFFORT IN YOUR VIDEOS!
That thing blood raven said about looking and seeing is the same thing that that Syrio Farel said to arya
46 minutes! Is it Christmas already?! Thanks man :)
This is...honestly my favourite intro! now to watch the other 42 mins lol
Keep making videos like this one! The longer the better in my opinion! Love watching your new content everytime you share a video! Thanks TT
Sexual function doesn’t go away when you lose your ability to walk. It’s an autonomic function, like digesting food. Bran could do the deed himself.
Well done. I am reading for the past year and I really appreciate your opinion and points 👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👊🏼
Wish I could give this 10 thumbs up! Outstanding. Thank you.
46 minutes there is a God ..... Lol but thank you for the video please do more like this I listen to all your videos while I drive-in to work they keep me occupied so I don't freak out on people on the road Great video thanks
31:35 "A greenseer. He ate" Could this be a sort of shakesperean double entendre? As in both bran thinking of becoming a greenseer then eating as well as him eating a greenseer.
Would be another point in favor of the jojen paste theory
Always a pleasure and to listen to your analyzes and thougts about the different the meaning of almost every single word i.e. possible clue inside the books and potentially the show. The way you are reading certain chapters of the books and related to one specific subject is awesome ( I didn't read because I am French speaking and apparently the books were not well translated) altough sometimes it's not always easy to understand. But I try my best and this story is really a brain teaser (puzzle) but so fabulous. Apparently Bran saw Winterfell burning that is also what will apparently happen in season 8 and the other thing that made me react also is again the color of the eyes which we heard Melissandre talking about when looking in Atya's ones but maybe here it has nothing to do as you are referring to the cave of secret. Ghost red eyes for exemple Jon's direwolf. Anyway this part was so interesting and brilliant and apparently the whole story of Got is just a huge numbers of lies which began in Season one Robert's rebellion. Impatient to see and hear the next one. Thanks a lot for your incredible job!
i threw this idea out there very recently.. in response to a video about potential betrayals in the final season. and that lead me to big ideas like not only maesters.. but the Children of the Forest... perhaps they never gave up.. whatever agreement they made with men was a deception.. and only to stay alive and hopefully find another opportunity to kill every man in Westeros.. the White Walkers are the red herring.. and they kept Blood Raven in that tree as a captive.. and his only way to be free was to manipulate Bran.. and now they are trying to use him as well...
Nathaniel Manzi Yep! Totally agree!
I'm new to your channel but I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate it I work nights and your videos help me get through my shifts thank you.
Hey was curious, what are all the human bones in the cave from? Don't think I've ever heard anyone mention this?
I am thinking some are wights, and some are blood sacrifices to the tree.
Talking Thrones those bones are there before bran gets there, and the whites cant access the cave until the NK touches Bran, so how could they be whites bones?
They are the bones of the thousands dead singers...surely
Ryan H I think that Bran has made the same journey 1000 times, they're actually his bones! The 3 eyed raven has gone back many times to find his younger self to change the future outcome.
No, it clearly talks about the bones of the dead singers. Bran is not Phil Connors or Bill Cage. The Children of the forest are coming to an end.
EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR A CHAPTER DISCUSSION AND (AS USUAL) GREAT NARRATIVE JOB! THANK YOU...WoW..So much info, so much to discuss - I'm so excited... let's gets started!!!
Just re-watched this after about a year..
And I'd love to se some more of these type of videos. You excel in them.
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Thanks for the extra long video. Loved every second!
Thanks Austin!
Absolutely amazing how deep we have gotten in this story. Has there ever been another story with so many theories, questions, possibilities and predictions
The Children beyond the Wall could be the faction that wants to destroy humanity, while those south of the Wall were perhaps the more agreeable kind. If the legends are true, there were quite a few Children of the Forest south of the Wall. But they were slaughtered by the Andals alongside many of their First-Men allies when the Andals invaded. Perhaps those slaughtered Children were more or less a separate faction that really did ally themselves with mankind, regardless of whether the alliance was genuine or if those Children too had some hidden agenda. Whatever the case, most of the Children south of the Wall were slaughtered, and that would have only hardened the icy resolve of the Children north of the Wall even further.
I would love to listen to you break down every chapter of the series! Great job in the reading and explaining things. Very interesting.
Great vid as always Dan. Love the books. Far more in depth and detailed.. I do wonder if the cotf will be the final twist.. Would be insane if the were!
Thanks! I'm not sure how the show will do it. We may not see anymore COTF in the show, unless we go to the God's Eye, but in the books, I think the COTF will be a part of some bigger twist. GRRM still hasn't revealed how the COTF created the White Walkers in the books, so who knows how all that works out in his version.
Yes I do love listening to your reading but also the many thoughts you encourage. I read the game of thrones far back in the nineties. Most people think this series was his first works they were not. He is one of the best writers, a living legend in our time. I have followed the movies as well any reader will tell you the book is always better. But in generations to come George RR Martin will be remembered. As I grow older reading strains my vision. You read for me so beautifully, I will never be able to thank you enough.
Love listening to you read these chapters.
You consistently kill it! I love your channnel!! 💙
Fascinating and captivating. Very insightful interpretation and analysis of this important chapter and events.