Bloodraven's Cave: What Game of Thrones Did Not Show You! - A Song of Ice and Fire (End Game Theory)

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  • Welcome back for another A Song of Ice and Fire video. Today I want to read one of my personal favorite chapters from the books. We have all seen the Three Eyed Raven's Cave, or Bloodraven's Cave, thanks to the Game of Thrones television show, but they left out so many details from the books. In Bran Stark's final chapter from A Dance with Dragons, some very interesting things happen while he's in the cave. This chapter is mostly known for the visions Bran had through the Weirwood Tree at Winterfell, but what I find even more interesting than that is what Bran finds when he goes exploring around this cave. He finds more Children of the Forest, that are enthroned in the Weirwood roots, like Bloodraven, but why are they there, and why are they hidden? Does this have anything to do with the White Walkers? Are the Children of the Forest keeping secrets from Bran Stark? Let me know what you think about all of this. Thank you for watching the video!
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  • @TalkingThrones
    @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +77

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    • @ilias5484
      @ilias5484 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Rhaegar targaryen is jaqan hghar

    • @HomerDaMan
      @HomerDaMan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    • @petrmaly9087
      @petrmaly9087 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe most people here already have one...

    • @Jockeylotforfun
      @Jockeylotforfun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Talking Thrones Dan, "the moon was a crescent, thin and SHARP AS THE BLADE OF A KNIFE"( said 3 times.) The white haired woman (snowy locks?) used a crescent blade too...love QOT.🌹 😊

    • @Yajna007
      @Yajna007 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      +ili Mance Rayder is Rhaegar Targ∙.

  • @cpartida33
    @cpartida33 5 ปีที่แล้ว +128

    Thank you so much for continuing the channel even after Game of Thrones finished I will keep watching you as long as you keep doing videos

    • @sumdewd
      @sumdewd ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The north remembers

  • @Parasite3v3
    @Parasite3v3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    "Don't listen to it, all crows are liars" old Nan

  • @McIntoshjosh123
    @McIntoshjosh123 2 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I think there could have been a full season just to brans story line and becoming a blood raven...including explaining who is all in the cript and past events that lead to them now

    • @michaelredhorse8752
      @michaelredhorse8752 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed, we could have seen more of the treachery around the rebellion. Even had a prequel within the show about the Targaryen’s.

    • @JosephMBlack10
      @JosephMBlack10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Legend has it the Night's Queen is in the crypt so that would have given away the eventuality of the Night King coming and one of the main reasons he was coming.

    • @ArticWolfv
      @ArticWolfv ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Bran should have been a spin off series between season 4 & 6. 2 seasons would have been best.

  • @lizp5004
    @lizp5004 5 ปีที่แล้ว +178

    On the show, Jojen Reed almost looks like the life is litteraly being drained from him, as they get closer to the cave. He looks increasingly pale &clamy, no?

    • @acendiatstudios6517
      @acendiatstudios6517 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      He is sickly and traveling in extreme conditions it makes sense for him to look this way.

    • @multiversemaster3242
      @multiversemaster3242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@acendiatstudios6517 bran Meera and hodor all look fine

    • @acendiatstudios6517
      @acendiatstudios6517 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      like I said Jojen is sickly that is why he is always accompanied by Meera.

    • @matthewscarberry8787
      @matthewscarberry8787 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree and thought the same while watching

    • @billbob7720
      @billbob7720 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      let’s make a baby...then our baby will answer all your questions

  • @sheff1416
    @sheff1416 5 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Yessss TT 46 mins!!!!! keep them coming. You should def do more like this. Its keeps me company as well as informed in the drive home and that takes me 56 minutes!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks! Hope you enjoy 😉

    • @curtisgood3054
      @curtisgood3054 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Absolutely agree!! I like the long videos.

  • @Lukomeyan
    @Lukomeyan 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Old Nan: "Don't listen to it. Crows are all liars." Old Nan let something slip there. She understands their speech. I've said it before that Old Nan is much more than she seems. I just had a brainstorm that Old Nan might be Meera (who went to the past obviously) trying to tell Bran things which might help do the right thing in the future. An aside: "You will never walk again, but you will fly". I don't think this refers to him as flying when warging as he also walks when warging as a wolf or Hodor and he walks in his visions.

    • @martijn0797
      @martijn0797 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I thought the flying would be an ice dragon

  • @SamuelHallEngland
    @SamuelHallEngland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    The sacrifice of the man under the weirwood tree with the bronze sickle must be during the Age of the First Men, before the Andals came. Because the First Men used bronze, not iron which the Andals used. The Thenns also continue to use bronze in the present, and they are the tribe of humans that inhabit the farthest Northern territory, so perhaps they are the oldest of the First men too. Bran's visions passing in reverse order i.e. present - past support this theory as the Age of the First Men was a long time ago. So that white haired lady may well be the Night Queen in the Age of the First Men.

    • @nodiggity9472
      @nodiggity9472 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That wasn't a Bronze sickle, it was Dragonglass. And it was the CotF sacrificing one of the First Men to create the first of The Others, possibly the Night King to help them in their War against Men. The Night Queen was much later.

    • @babytony77
      @babytony77 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You gotta remember how the Author plays on History as if the history given isn't accurate.

  • @jasonlast7091
    @jasonlast7091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The book makes warging out to be a far more intimate and invasive process. Just what taking over another's free will should be like.

  • @matthewwithum8372
    @matthewwithum8372 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Some of the best readings from the books, thanks for bringing it to life.

  • @SithScribe21
    @SithScribe21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Hell yes, love the longer video! You are the gold standard, the 'Iron Bank of Braavos' of GoT theories and content!

  • @backstays
    @backstays 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Great Job. The book is a masterpiece, so many details. The Series didn't put in all the details. Thank you for creating videos and sharing them with us. Appreciated!!

  • @MsAponte69
    @MsAponte69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I wish the show would have gone into detail about all the Stark children's special abilities. The children all have the same ability as Bran. They should all be able to see Bran's visions. I'm thinking, that maybe Bran's visions and ability is far more significant or stronger than the other siblings?

  • @crhettbuttler1
    @crhettbuttler1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    1 - YES YES YES Old Nan is key to all of this, she's been telling Bran not to trust crows and all along no one has dared to question the three-eyed raven without too many complications. It is complex of course, but how come we know about winter from the old nan but not the reality about crows...
    2 - Tunnels...tunnels...they go to Winterfell's crypts, don't they?
    3 -Branden...hahaa this Targaryen had been a Branden too, damn blood of Valyria...
    4 - The chapter ...I feel everything is in there. Black like pitch, like tar, like crow's feathers.
    Black like Jon's cloak, black like what Branden was supposedly killed with, black like what keeps talking to him...

  • @Princesssbishhh
    @Princesssbishhh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    So just a thought. Bloodraven talks about how bran shouldn't fear the dark. The followers of rhaelor say the night is dark and full of terrors. So I think this helps the whole bloodraven is working for the great other thing

    • @itman7132
      @itman7132 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      But he wasn’t

  • @NUFCMVFC
    @NUFCMVFC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's a good point, there's a part where Jon in Ghost dream where he sees the Weir Tree, starts to look like Bran etc, but when Jon/Ghost sniffs it sees leaves and DEATH behind it all and starts bearing his fangs, can't help but think of all the bones etc...and Jojenpaste

  • @wolves3099
    @wolves3099 5 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    Hahaha dude you're creeping me out with the Hodor. Brann & Meera sex thing

    • @NUFCMVFC
      @NUFCMVFC 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Good grief, such a screwed up thing but the type of thing GRRM would do

    • @SirLyonhart
      @SirLyonhart 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It's a misconception that paraplegics can't have sex. Different set of nerves. Bran and Meera could do it, but she'd have to do all the work

    • @weaponizedconfusion
      @weaponizedconfusion 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ... Isn't Hodor dead?

    • @SirLyonhart
      @SirLyonhart 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@weaponizedconfusion Doesn't mean he won't be at the battle for Winterfell...

    • @evelynvongizycki1017
      @evelynvongizycki1017 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree please no

  • @AlexandreOliveira1974
    @AlexandreOliveira1974 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It's brilliant, well done. And all this details and possibilities make the show to become even more stupidly finished - not for the outcome, but regarding the construction itself (characters stupidization, narrative destruction, and so forth).

  • @r0seg0lden._15
    @r0seg0lden._15 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    This is like a whole episode in and of itself. I love it. Such a fan.

  • @hearts16
    @hearts16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you Talking Thrones! I always look for book chapter readings! I haven’t read them in a while and love the refreshers. I’m not going to reread them until George is almost done WoW... in other words, I’ll reread them in another decade 🤣

  • @hatindrama
    @hatindrama 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I would definitely buy your audiobooks if you were ever to do that.

  • @AntoineVello
    @AntoineVello 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "The birds would speak the words,"
    Well then, I didn't expect to hear those words in that order.

  • @sweetsu3s
    @sweetsu3s 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Do more of this. Reading the chapters with breakdowns. Especially Dunk and Egg. To many show watchers don't have this knowledge

  • @richiethepooh6878
    @richiethepooh6878 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "You'll never walk again".... then Bran wargs into Hodor

  • @ridiculousedtollett6120
    @ridiculousedtollett6120 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    With this chapter I see Bran going down a very dark path. He's thinking about being vengeful and wroth and being the broken prince of a lost kingdom. When Meera and Jojen decide to explore the river, and Bran follows as Hodor, he didn't even think to skinchange into a raven to follow them. He had just learned how to fly a few paragraphs before, but nope he went as Hodor without a second thought. I'm kinda worried for the kid.

    • @Bethany199
      @Bethany199 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      I think that might be as Meera and Jojen know that Bran can go as a raven, and might make the two suspicious when Meera just told Bran that he can't join. Whereas going as Hodor would not seem abnormal to Meera and Jojen, and be less suspicious.. then the only question would be, why would they not want Bran to join them in discovering the cave...
      But I agree, Bran is less and less sensitive to other people, it starts with invading their privacy doesn't it..

    • @ridiculousedtollett6120
      @ridiculousedtollett6120 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Bethany199 the only reason Bran wasn't able to join them is because he's crippled. The reason Meera gave was that Hodor wouldn't be able to carry Bran and climb up and down a rope at the same time, even though Hodor ends up hauling Jojen up a rope at one point. As a raven Bran would have been perfectly fine following them. I really don't think Meera and Jojen were trying to hide anything from Bran by not allowing him to follow, they just wanted him to be safe.

    • @shortstuff780
      @shortstuff780 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's going to be easily corrupted by Bloodraven.
      I mean the whole entire book of Dunk and Egg they keep telling us not to trust him.. There's a reason for that

    • @rydiavalentine
      @rydiavalentine 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@shortstuff780 I think the other way around. Reading "A World of Ice and Fire" and the whole story of Brynden, it seems that he really is the only one who can be trusted. He has no interest in power or the Iron Throne. He just follows what his visions tell him. This is why he abandoned the Night's Watch and joined the Children. They called him to meet them.
      He has the mission of training Bran so he can help to defeat the Others. He has waited until this moment to fulfill his destiny. He could have been selfish, get the throne for himself, marry his beautiful and awesome girlfriend, who also had magical powers and was his soul mate and true love. But he didn't. All his life, the only thing he did was serving Westeros. He maintained the peace eliminating crazy traitors and never fulfilled his own wishes.
      Brynden literally lived for the sake of others his whole life. He knew he was born different, one out of a thousand men. He accepted his destiny with no hesitation. He never used his tremendous power for his own benefit. Remember: he was born a natural mage (white hair, red eyes), a skinchanger, a greenseer and also a Targaryen, who have their own powers (profetic dreamer and dragon tamer).
      Literally he is the most powerful living being in the whole stories so far. Yet he never used that power to became like a God, who he could have easily been.

    • @jtjohnson49
      @jtjohnson49 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If he went as a raven he would have been no help if needed...turns out he was right helping jojen

  • @kpax2066
    @kpax2066 5 ปีที่แล้ว +90

    I personally think you're spot on. It's blood magic of the darkest kind. They are all liars. When the children die, their souls go into the crows and the weirwood trees. In addition, I think there is a connection between them and the Stark family. "the Kings of Winter"

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Nice! Thankfully some people can see it this way too.

    • @davedogge2280
      @davedogge2280 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      it's no coincidence that most of the Stark's can warg (in the books anyways).

    • @Jockeylotforfun
      @Jockeylotforfun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      k pax, I think the blood sacrafice by the white haired woman was the first Stark, Brandon the builder? Stark blood magic to consecrate/ ward winterfell. There must always be a stark(living) in winterfell for the blood. The trees remember, but the North has forgotten. The pregnant women is most likely the Stark Daughter that Bael the bard impregnated.

    • @gandalfgrey91
      @gandalfgrey91 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You mean “ravens” and the weirwood trees. Crows are different. For example, bloodraven =/= three eyed crow 😉 If brans third eye opens then the three eyed crow will have an entry point to eating Brans memories (like irl how crows use the eyes of wounded/dead animals to feast on their innards). This is probably how the book will handle the Others entering the cave. They’ll “trick” bran into letting them in. Don’t trust the three eyed crow! Crows are all liars!

  • @kristiankoooful
    @kristiankoooful 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the best ,most complete commentary on the books and television series within the franchise that i've yet to come across .Well done .

  • @Lyndiloo
    @Lyndiloo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    I'm just chilling, letting the video play in the background while I compose an email, hearing the video but not listening. And then suddenly I clue in to hear "Bran might use Hodor's body to have sex with Mira"...
    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT???

    • @erikbarrett85
      @erikbarrett85 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Vandercus Dimachaeri thinking that too..... Dude was portrayed as hung af

    • @viralconnect5863
      @viralconnect5863 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Vandercus Dimachaeri what's he talking about? didnt hodor just die holding that damn door?

    • @Batnano
      @Batnano 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah sorry to burst your fanfic bubbles,but hodor is dead

    • @geefaith21
      @geefaith21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @addidaswguy
      @addidaswguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Batnano this wood have happened before he did.. But still.. Gross

  • @isabelleturner303
    @isabelleturner303 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I think Old Nan was the woman the Three Eyed Raven was talking about when he said...”a woman he favored”. I think that is why Old Nan said...”don’t listen to crows they are all liars”. That sounds like an old lovers animosity to me. I think Old Nan is older than people think. That’s why no one knows her real name and she knows so much. I don’t think she is some kind of Oracle. I think she is so old she has actually lived through the history in the stories she tells.

    • @pattmcruss4604
      @pattmcruss4604 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Valerie Turner he was referring to Shiera Seastar, his half-sister

    • @isabelleturner303
      @isabelleturner303 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Silverlight McNamara Yes sir...that’s what I am saying😉

  • @post-leftluddite
    @post-leftluddite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @26:11 I think this specific line, when Bran is in Hodor and looking at the CotF tangled in the Weirwood roots and says "Hodor" and then feels Hodor's consciousness stir at that moment is foreshadowing that there is no "blood raven", it's just blood raven's body with the collective consciousness of the weirwood having overtaken it, and that's exactly what that collective consciousness has planned for Bran (since the greenseer power does not transfer with the consciousness because it needs to transfer into a body that already has that power). The fact that Bran is supressing Hodor's consciousness to use his body, and at that exact moment when he's looking at the almost lifeless bodies of the children subsumed by the weirwood, he's reminded of that is no coincidence (remember how Bran felt the consciousness of the CotF when he first went into the raven).
    I think that collective consciousness lured blood raven there and now they've lured Bran for the same reason.
    As far as Jojen Paste goes... I think it is just as probably that the weirwoods (just like numerous plants in our world) probably have psychoactive alkaloids in its sap (E.g. Like numerous plants have DMT or mushrooms have psilocybin) and consuming that sap can alter consciousness in the same manner as shade of the evening.

  • @LukePearce911
    @LukePearce911 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My favourite video of yours Talking Thrones! I like when you read a whole chapter and help us decipher it with your knowledge. Much appreciated mate

  • @eslynclarkson3796
    @eslynclarkson3796 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    All that is needed for a good read is a good background music as this and a narrator that can hold the attention. Good one T.T.

  • @dtylice
    @dtylice 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dan, there’s so much detail I listened to this video twice. Thanks for the enlightenment.

  • @bryndynirving7333
    @bryndynirving7333 5 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    What if the children are trying to make bran into their weapon against man in the books?

    • @blAnc1k
      @blAnc1k 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      because they do

    • @Ms.Byrd68
      @Ms.Byrd68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@blAnc1k And on the show, we just put THEM on the Throne... geez!

    • @crazysoldiercze207
      @crazysoldiercze207 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think that the Night King is Ramsay Snow's relatives.

  • @rogerlimoseth4790
    @rogerlimoseth4790 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The whole "darkness is your friend, shield, strength" crap is foretelling, foreshadowing, forewarning and foreboding. I think i already know the path he's on. The question is will he see it in time.

  • @martipacheco793
    @martipacheco793 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is one of my favorite videos you have made so far! This was my favorite chapter from Dance with Dragons 🖤

  • @jessvos9195
    @jessvos9195 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is why your the only one i watch . Your game of thrones video’s are the best !! 46 minuts thank u so much !! Love the details u put in iT , and always use the things and history of the books . Love iT ! Thank u soooo muchh

  • @robsaxepga
    @robsaxepga 5 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    The Children of the Forest, Leaf, said that they created the Night King to protect them from "you" then adds "men". That caught my attention. Did she mean Bran or you as a collective "you" meaning all men? I thought that could be telling..tin foil.. great vid as usual man!

    • @Dwazedas
      @Dwazedas 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maybe she meant men as in males, not humans ... after all, there are no male CotF above ground.

    • @tristanbaptiste7692
      @tristanbaptiste7692 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ok it could simply be Bran. Didn't Old Nan say that all the Brandon Starks are one in the same. Each one has had some magical power. Just a thought

    • @nicholasdesousa6506
      @nicholasdesousa6506 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SHe meant the First Men, who were at war with the children.

  • @cathythompson1578
    @cathythompson1578 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is great stuff. Thank you. Have read the books twice and watched the series twice. Nice to hear your take on things. Much appreciated!

  • @erins.5420
    @erins.5420 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You’re producing really good videos...high five man your content is still great! So glad this is a long video! I can sit and relax for longer than 10-15 minutes. Take care!

  • @Hava_Hadi
    @Hava_Hadi ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Well done. I am reading for the past year and I really appreciate your opinion and points 👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👊🏼

  • @nitesurfer247
    @nitesurfer247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wow, great video. This took a lot of work and I am sooo grateful that you are still hear with Game of Thrones content. Just because the TV show was taken from us before it should have been, we fans are nonetheless still craving content. Thanks for this and all your GOT content 💜💙💚❤️

  • @ivarsmomakakasey4988
    @ivarsmomakakasey4988 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep making videos like this one! The longer the better in my opinion! Love watching your new content everytime you share a video! Thanks TT

  • @MylaCruz11
    @MylaCruz11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am so happy I found this channel it was hard for me to understand what exactly I was reading in the books lol so thank you!

  • @tootieq6527
    @tootieq6527 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I keep hearing references that Bran is incapable of sex, or having children due to his paralysis, but that isn’t necessarily true. Depending on what level of spinal cord damage he has, he could.

  • @davedogge2280
    @davedogge2280 5 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    I also think that those Children of the Forrest are up to no good, they've created so many problems for themselves and for the people of Westeros.

    • @Dutchfantom
      @Dutchfantom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dave Dogge it seems to me they might be affiliated with the great other. Seeing as the 3eyedbastard said that darkness would be his cloak and rhlor is all about setting things on fire. The contrast is obvious

    • @sailorplanetos3075
      @sailorplanetos3075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Yeah, the nerve of those people, defending their ancestral homes and all....

    • @alsnow1049
      @alsnow1049 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Dave Dogge I agree, they are children after all 🤔😉😊

    • @maxellray
      @maxellray 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      the children of the forest wanted their lands back, they created the wights to defend themselves from the first men

    • @berta4724
      @berta4724 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They are defending what's ancestrally theirs.

  • @juragabriel4930
    @juragabriel4930 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    DUDE THUMBS UP AND ALL OF MY RESPECT FOR PUTTING SO MUCH EFFORT IN YOUR VIDEOS!

  • @craigscott822
    @craigscott822 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yayyyyy ... It's TT-time ... great vid Dan (as always)
    The new season can't come along frikkin quick enough !!!
    Peace and love to all Got & TT fans out there x

  • @electrikjimmy608
    @electrikjimmy608 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    damn dude. hands down best video ever!!!! I've been listening to you for years. I gotta listen to this one again. then re-read beans last chapter. thanks for your dedication my brother of the long night

  • @austinmalby1110
    @austinmalby1110 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the extra long video. Loved every second!

  • @cyanide_lollipop3264
    @cyanide_lollipop3264 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Watching this again just because your work is pure art. I so very much appreciate you and your channel, thank you! 🤘🖤

  • @tyd2877
    @tyd2877 5 ปีที่แล้ว +212

    What if the Bloodraven's cave is connected to the Crypts at Winterfell?

    • @XX-lx4mr
      @XX-lx4mr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ooooooo

    • @deenick8794
      @deenick8794 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      If it were so Leaf could have taken Meera and Bran to safety to Winterfell without having to sacrifice the few other remaining children that were slaughtered to save them... please always analyse the consequences of your ideas before throwing unlikely conclusions...

    • @tyd2877
      @tyd2877 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Dee Nick well in the video it says there are places they (the children of the forest) haven’t discovered yet so maybe they don’t know it’s connected to the crypts.

    • @slava7091
      @slava7091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Dee Nick A consequence of them going that way (if the tunnels did lead to the crypts) would be leading the wights there, too, so probably had a good reason not to go that way.

    • @kayaleandreaspencer631
      @kayaleandreaspencer631 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I thought the same,
      because the section in the crypt @ Winterfell that's collapsed and the sections they tell Bran and his company to stay away from.

  • @hollycooper7177
    @hollycooper7177 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh my...this was so good!! Thanks TT ❤️

  • @anne.enrique
    @anne.enrique ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am so glad I found your channel!

  • @nicjade704
    @nicjade704 5 ปีที่แล้ว +227

    I’m not trusting the children of the forest...
    I feel like they will be back near the very end of season 8... something doesn’t sit right

    • @sailorplanetos3075
      @sailorplanetos3075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I'd love to see a stare-down between Leaf and the NK. Too bad Leaf's gone now....

    • @brandindependent445
      @brandindependent445 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The children of the forest are only known as aliens to us.

    • @sailorplanetos3075
      @sailorplanetos3075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Not entirely true, Brad. The murals which Jon and his team found suggest that the Children and the First Men were allies against the NK. Yes, the Children created him, but then they fought against him. Doesn't really make sense unless things got out of hand----an accident.

    • @mskipper19
      @mskipper19 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      The humans invaded the CotF lands, so aren't the humans the "bad guys" here? The people you're supporting aren't always the good guys, this show/books does a great job of showing that in many ways. Real life not far off.

    • @nikolajurican8704
      @nikolajurican8704 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sailorplanetos3075 In the show they are dead not in books

  • @peterbar6444
    @peterbar6444 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really deep work, thanks!

  • @jeannie341
    @jeannie341 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    EXCELLENT CHOICE FOR A CHAPTER DISCUSSION AND (AS USUAL) GREAT NARRATIVE JOB! THANK YOU...WoW..So much info, so much to discuss - I'm so excited... let's gets started!!!

  • @chegui2902
    @chegui2902 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good job as always...keep up the good work.

  • @ALEXANDERATTACK
    @ALEXANDERATTACK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I absolutely loved this longer video. I love this channel thank you so much

  • @novicetech1
    @novicetech1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wish I could give this 10 thumbs up! Outstanding. Thank you.

  • @gusmesubed5450
    @gusmesubed5450 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The intro...Little Finger, may he rest in peace, that little weasle! ...Great video TT!

    • @sailorplanetos3075
      @sailorplanetos3075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That was literally my favorite scene in the series----the exchange between Littlefinger and Varys, and then the 'Chaos is a Ladder' monologue with Littlefinger's theme imposed over it, along with Sansa sobbing as the ship sailed and Joffrey having just killed in cold blood. Just an overall fantastic sequence....much praise to Conleth Hill and Aiden Gillen especially. :)

  • @thebanishedone04
    @thebanishedone04 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm new to your channel but I thoroughly enjoy and appreciate it I work nights and your videos help me get through my shifts thank you.

  • @PjMemphi0
    @PjMemphi0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    After Bran sees the White Walker origin, Leaf tells him that they were at war and being slaughtered. I could be wrong but that took place around 8000 b.c. which was a time of peace between The Children of the Forest amd The First Men. This would mean that she is definitaley lying.

  • @SkitterComic
    @SkitterComic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1) I thought the paste was said to be made from acorns. 2) my theory about the cave scene is that Bran, BloodRaven, and the Night King were all the same person at different times. So When they all meet in the cave, it's like the same person in the same place at 3 different points of his life.

  • @ericeast7860
    @ericeast7860 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    What if Melisandre's vision in the flames is true?
    When she Blooraven and a boy with a wolf's face as being the Great Other?
    Bloodraven and Bran are champions of the Great Other, just as the Night King was.
    Who is left that is the "Fire" part in the Song of Ice and Fire?
    Starks and direwolves represent ice, and the sword's name is even Ice.
    Targaryens and dragons represent fire.
    If Dany is dead, and I say "IF".... and Jon is not allowed to reproduce.... then that only leaves Drogon and he can't reproduce either.
    Was that The Great Others real goal?
    To extinguish the Fire?
    Dany got stabbed in the heart by someone she loves.
    Jon got stabbed in the heart by someone he loved.
    Drogon flew off with Dany's body.
    Bran desperately wants to find Drogon.
    Dany can be brought back from the dead, same as Jon.
    The Red Priests and Priestesses serve the Lord of Light, the Great Other's arch-rival.
    And the Lord of Light is definitely on Team Dany, and Jon.
    And Drogon is insanely intelligent.
    Jon still has a big part to play, that is why Drogon didn't kill him.
    Drogon burning the Iron Throne shows vast intelligence.
    Drogon is taking Dany to a Red Priest/Priestess.
    And if that is the case.... could Dany be pregnant with Jon's baby?
    Did Tyrion come to fully understand what Bran wanted?
    The moment he realized his part he was set free.
    Tyrion knows Bran intends on living forever, and that Bran isn't really Bran.
    So when Tyrion said Bran the Broken should be King for life, he knew it meant for much longer than how the other Lords and Ladies took it.
    He knows Bran is not Bran but the 3 Eyed Raven.
    Him saying Bran the Broken should be King was like when Ned said "The Rightful Heir" instead of saying Joffrey.
    And Bran is Broken in more ways than 1.
    His back is broken and his legs don't work, but he is also possessed by an unknown entity.
    There has to be balance.
    Targaryen rule was going to be bad, we saw that.
    But Bran is the antithesis to Dany.
    With no Targaryens and only Starks, the Old Gods win.
    The Great Other wins.
    It can't just be a Song of Ice and Ice.
    Dany is still alive. She will have Jon's child.
    Tyrion will have to find a way to make Sansa understand what happened to her brother.
    Sansa will then have to make Jon understand.
    Dany will have to remain in Essos in hiding from Bran's thousand eyes.
    Daario and the Second Sons can eventually be rallied, as could the Unsulled and maybe the Dothraki once the time is right.
    The wheel wasn't broken.
    Now there are two.
    The jackass/honeycomb brothel joke was telling us things have come full circle, like in a wheel.
    A new game is afoot with a fresh new set of players.
    This is a story they can continue with 6-10 years down the road.

    • @Abel-Jered
      @Abel-Jered 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eric East love the post and theory my friend.

    • @nitesurfer247
      @nitesurfer247 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great food for thought. Thanks for all your possible scenarios 😎

    • @Karen-pk3uv
      @Karen-pk3uv 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude....that was really fun to read through. Any chance you write GOT fanfiction? If so, id love to read it 😊

    • @shikenkanade
      @shikenkanade 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dragons can reproduce. Drogon and his babies won't have riders though...

  • @emmaagostini5757
    @emmaagostini5757 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I loved this video, reading and explanation! Thanks a lot, and a really good job!

  • @elletargaryen6204
    @elletargaryen6204 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    46 minutes! Is it Christmas already?! Thanks man :)

  • @BonanzaRoad
    @BonanzaRoad 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating and captivating. Very insightful interpretation and analysis of this important chapter and events.

  • @KonaValdr
    @KonaValdr 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would love to listen to you break down every chapter of the series! Great job in the reading and explaining things. Very interesting.

  • @shytguy
    @shytguy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    the pregnant woman coming out of the hot springs is the daughter of the lord of winterfell in the bael the bard tale. the wildling king beyond the wall who climbed the wall, infiltrated winterfell and impregnated the lord of winterfell's daughter. she had a son who became king in the north and he beheaded the kind beyond the wall. the king beyond the wall could not bring himself to kill his son, so the king in the north killed him. i think that is most plausible

  • @YourOldUncleNoongah
    @YourOldUncleNoongah 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    This was excellent. Thank YOU for taking the time to make these vids. I enjoy just listening to all of this information.

  • @multiversemaster3242
    @multiversemaster3242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    "the great lions of the western hills are gone" is it just me or does that sound like the lannisters...

    • @vCLOWNSHOESv
      @vCLOWNSHOESv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I thought the same thing but I'm pretty sure he was talking about actual lions.

    • @Karen-pk3uv
      @Karen-pk3uv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      When the Ghost of High Heart told people her prophecies she never uses names, she calls them by whatever animal is on their sigil (fish, golden stag, wolf child, etc). When she was alive Jenny of Oldstones said she was claimed she was a Child of the Forest. Leaf was also a Child of the Forest, maybe that is just how their brains operate most of the time.
      "The giants are almost gone as well" The sigil for House Umber (at least in the books) is a chained giant.
      "Unicorns are all but gone" four houses have unicorns on their sigils (Brax of Hornvale, Doggett, Roger's of Amberly and Wydman). According to the Wiki, there are only five males left in House Brax and no known members of Doggett, Rogers, or Wydman.
      "The great lions of the western hills have been slain" one of Tywin's nicknames is The Great Lion of the Rock. Tywin was slain in A Storm of Swords, Leaf's comments were made in A Dance with Dragons.
      "The mammoths down to a few hundred" I cant find a sigil with a mammoth, but they are ridden by giants. So, since Targaryans form bonds with the dragons they ride, then maybe the giants form bonds with their mammoths.
      "The direwolves will outlast us all" House Stark will survive and retain their power.

    • @damienking7208
      @damienking7208 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think she’s talking about real animals not symbolically of houses. It’s likely that the Lannisters chose the lion as their sigil because it was a fearsome beast of the westerlands that they would be familiar with just as the Starks chose the great and fearsome direwolf. Not everything is a symbol or code for something else.

  • @krakentacos
    @krakentacos 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really like this idea of taking on a full chapter. It's evident here that the cave is very similar to the crypts of Winterfell. Best video from you yet!!!

  • @dougtexas
    @dougtexas 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Outstanding video! So much more to find out!

  • @stephaniebridges8407
    @stephaniebridges8407 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Congratulations for one of the most compelling, beautifully rendered explanations of GOT that I have ever had the pleasure of watching. Pure artistry

  • @tresabrown320
    @tresabrown320 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love listening to you read these chapters.

  • @angelalamb632
    @angelalamb632 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great vid as always Dan. Love the books. Far more in depth and detailed.. I do wonder if the cotf will be the final twist.. Would be insane if the were!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks! I'm not sure how the show will do it. We may not see anymore COTF in the show, unless we go to the God's Eye, but in the books, I think the COTF will be a part of some bigger twist. GRRM still hasn't revealed how the COTF created the White Walkers in the books, so who knows how all that works out in his version.

  • @arikz2851
    @arikz2851 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    great subject and video !
    well done theres a lot of work you put in there !!!

  • @theinkysquid7661
    @theinkysquid7661 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fascinating, thank you for the time and effort you put into this.

  • @noahsharbin
    @noahsharbin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great intro! 46 min video, this man playing no games! Can't wait

  • @EvolvementEras
    @EvolvementEras 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The only thing that could take precedence to a talking thrones video? A job interview oh well I will reword myself and feast on these 46 minutes as soon as I am done!!

    • @TalkingThrones
      @TalkingThrones  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      See ya soon!

    • @nointro
      @nointro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good luck at your interview. I hope it goes great!

    • @travismichael6107
      @travismichael6107 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Good luck on your interview! =)

    • @EvolvementEras
      @EvolvementEras 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I did! I did get the job at the NYS Fair!! In addition, outstanding video as always! I’m waiting to move next month and then I’m going to start buying the books so then I can actually be more in tune for what the Canon is rather than just the amazing show. Your breakdowns are always so detailed and in-depth, definitely glad I waited until I had time to really pay attention, and you just blow my mind with your videos every time! Great job yet again!!

    • @nointro
      @nointro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Congrats!

  • @missopheliaophelia1481
    @missopheliaophelia1481 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love your videos ... very well prepared and researched. A huge compliment and my deep respect :)

  • @jackconsidine2681
    @jackconsidine2681 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic analysis and I also loved the reading. Please do more of these videos

  • @judithwatson6859
    @judithwatson6859 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You consistently kill it! I love your channnel!! 💙

  • @tomsharo8457
    @tomsharo8457 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most amazing video ever! Thank you for such a great story!

  • @tiffanyjackson5191
    @tiffanyjackson5191 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always wanted to read the books before watching the series, but got caught in the damn series first. After listening to you read from the book I decided to buy it, but not before listening to you to the very end. New Subscriber. Thank you, keep up the good work!

  • @AikoSukdolak
    @AikoSukdolak 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    My favorite video of yours! Awesome job👌

  • @cha.numba1
    @cha.numba1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Talking Thrones once again with my GoT fix. Between seasons are the long nights and this one is longer than any in recent memory. Thanks once again, from Liberia

  • @tgolobic94
    @tgolobic94 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just re-watched this after about a year..
    And I'd love to se some more of these type of videos. You excel in them.
    👍👍👍

  • @remysadventures-official8357
    @remysadventures-official8357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is...honestly my favourite intro! now to watch the other 42 mins lol

  • @nitishacharya8316
    @nitishacharya8316 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It's been a long time without TT...Finally here!!!😍

  • @worldscoolestgal
    @worldscoolestgal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I totally loves the way you have read the chapter. It was so much easy to understand.

  • @timeff5418
    @timeff5418 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great stuff as usual bud!

  • @haney0418ify
    @haney0418ify 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good analysis. Keep up the good work.

  • @hoots-iv2pe
    @hoots-iv2pe 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video and theory TT

  • @edddmanyeki
    @edddmanyeki 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I just noted the Night king was carrying huge chains on his dead horse when we see him first in season 7 episode 1 through Bran's eyes when they were waiting at castle black for Nights watch men to open the gates... check out that scene/shot and see the chains... does it mean that the night king knew he would need them to drag a dead dragon from water?

  • @DM-gn9ce
    @DM-gn9ce 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Very interesting
    Worth watching. Helped things from the show make more sense. Thanks!!

  • @shannonb6600
    @shannonb6600 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice breakdown. I don't have and haven't had an opportunity to read the books. I've subbed to you and look forward to your future videos as well as I have watched numerous hours of your videos consecutively prior to this post. I look forward to your future videos. Please post a video about the woman with the bronze sickle as soon as you have any evidence or verifiable proof of who she is. Your doing a great job of not only linking things together as well as raising some extremely well thought out questions! I'm glad I found your videos and channel. Thank you for doing the footwork, providing proofs to your theories and spending the time to make your hypothesis' into very intelligent hypothesis. Keep it up and merry Christmas to you and your family!!! You now have at least one new subscriber😊👍

  • @sarah.fb.lindsay
    @sarah.fb.lindsay 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos dude! Keep it up!

  • @IamAmericasDaughter
    @IamAmericasDaughter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Huge clue is when Bran tells them he saw his father, he is not dead. And Leaf says DO NOT CALL HIM BACK FROM DEATH!

    • @janeway73
      @janeway73 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      True, this means Bran has the power to do just that. And, Old Nan says crows are all liars, BR says Bran cannot change the past. Leaf says, though, that trees are not limited by the flow of time + Bran can enter the weirwood net, so ...

    • @jimbobwolfboy09
      @jimbobwolfboy09 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@janeway73 maybe he bought jon back? he could be the lord of light maybe lol

    • @asuka813
      @asuka813 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Boxing Can Never Die It is confusing when the book calls him 'three eyed crow' and the show 'three eyed raven'.

    • @Kalleosini
      @Kalleosini 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@asuka813 Brynden Rivers is the 3-eyed crow as well as the 3-eyed raven.
      there is only 1 3-eyes crow but there have been a 3-eyed raven before him, just as Bran is now the 3-eyed raven.
      does that make sense?
      the 3-eyed raven is a title that is passed down to a successor, while the 3-eyed crow is just Brynden Rivers.
      the crow lies.

    • @asuka813
      @asuka813 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Kalleosini I'm not personally confused, the show and book use different terms. Hence why people are often confused. I'm already familiar with taxonomy.