Bear VS 45-70 Machined Bullet
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Thoughts on PITa?
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This isn’t about pita but I can’t find your videos on full30
I've been hunting for food for 40 years, As long as you eat the Bear that's cool, but I don't believe in any kind of trophy hunting.
My nephew has a Henry he like's it alot but, I think I still prefer the old Marlins.
I wish Marlin's QC was as it was in my day, but I hear it's getting better.
bluesman1063 hunting for food is bad. We should only grow our meat at super market freezers it comes out of no where. Bears are indangered species u cant hurt them.
It's a solid flatbread
I find it really irritating when TH-cam shows ads on demonetized videos. Their ethics seem to stop at “oh - we can still make money off this content - just the content creator can’t.”
That's what communist do.
And that's why I have an Ad Blocker installed...for free. I never see ANY ads on here. Life is sweet without those mundane ads!
@@getsum697 Which one you using?
@@roflstomps324 I use the BRAVE browser and I downloaded from their app site for free...works great!
Fb..should NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO PURCHASE U TUBE..ITS AN ASSAULT AGAINST OUR FREE SPEECH ..THE MEDIA IS EVIL
Thanks for going over the malfunction....I've had this happen in Wyoming in a very sketchy ordeal in grizzly country. After living there for 7 years I learned quickly that depending on your ammo is EVERYTHING
Quick tip for fixing that Henry loading problem with the Hornadys. I had the same issue, if you spin the tube back and forth while pushing it down (180 degrees to the left 180* to right, rinse and repeat) it will go down no problem!
Sounds good but I've never tried it. Thanks 😊 for your help
This works on my Henry also
That was 15 minutes I'll never get back
I love a 45-70. Been hunting with a Marlin 45-70 for almost 40 years now. Bought it used for $200 back then, and it has never let me down. Enjoyed you're vid by the way.
Too much B.S.
@@karlmarx6487 How so?
I was talking to my brother last night about the 45-70 in Modern Warfare and now there's this on my recommend list......
They're listening.
Scary shit, making me want a zipper for my mouth or get rid of these damn machines
Collin Manning yup.
Absolutely they are.
Just out of curiosity, do you have an Alexa or was your phone near?
Its not the NSA that's spying on us, it's fucking Google so they can sell directed advertising.
Loved my marlin sbl 45-70. I shot HSM bear load.... and the occasional 500 gr hand cast...
The "Quadrilateral of Family Friendliness" is the funniest thing ive seen all day!
Lmao Tim wells knocked a bear down with a damn blow gun
Short Story,
My brother, father and I went on a bear hunt in Montana. Where it was free range hunting. My brother shot a black bear in the chest about 25-30yds with a 7mm-magnum. The bullet exited the bear’s left side. We tracked it for over a mile through some of the roughest Montana mountains. There was a spot we found where the bear had rested against a huge pine tree. And in fact. Packed it’s wound with dirt. At this point, I realized bear are very tough. And pretty smart.
i shot one with a 30-06 about 80 yards max. gave it 15 min and grabbed the 45-70. after tracking it for a wile in thick thick brush i thought to my self this seams like the spot i began.... the dang thing double back on me then went to the truck. good thing my buddy was on the road. shot and missed at 100. it went in to the bush again and went parallel with the truck.... then crossed the road to get behind me. all i heard was the first shot so i looked up to see this 300+ pound bear wounded coming right at me hahahha so i popped it in the chest and it dropped just to crawl with what ever it had left to get me hahahahah my buddys first hunt and it was a bear. pretty sweet if you ask me. so yea there tough as iron. wish the grizzle hunt ban would get lifted in my area.
Hard to beat the 4570 for dangerous game
coady 4570 no you didn’t, you are a liar and you and your “buddy” were just out smoking meth and tugging each other off
Dylan Leaman Anderson are you well? What makes you doubt his story instead of giving benefit of the doubt
7GEREZ Can you tell me how you know the bear packed it’s own wound with dirt please? Did you find its lost phone with bear selfies on it? 😁 Half taking the piss here.....
VSO I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for producing useful and interesting videos!
hmm, i havent noticed that problem with the hornaday ammo in my henry rifle, but if it hangs up at all while pushing the mag shut a slight rotating jiggle usually unsticks any tube mag issues i have without having to force them, same works with my grandads 80 year old 22 rifle
Shoots +P makes him giggle every time and he says much to his displeasure... Yeah!? PUH-Lease! He loved it!
Where can we see the video of the results of that load on the bear ?
Hornady Brass is also about an 8th of an inch shorter to allow that tipped bullet to fit the OAL specs in lever guns. I found this out when I tried to re-load the brass for my Marlin. I found that Speer 300gr Hollowpoints kill Whitetails like lightning.
It's not just Henry. It's been common for Marlin 45-70's to jam as well. I was under the impression it was the edge of the feeding gate catching the rim.
I lived in New Brunswick most of my life and it was some of the best bear and moose hunting I have ever experienced.. sure miss it...
what caliber was used for bears?
I used 308 win , 12ga slug , 303, for the most part. Started useingv45/70 about 10 years ago .
Why don't you hunt no more ??
Or did you move away ??
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@@derekcroft2055 had to leave the province to find work . Still hunt hard lol .
Always been a little on the fence about whether or not I should buy this rifle but now I'm 100% set on getting one
While I have always admired The Henry rifle's fit and finish, and like their general appearance, the tube loading is a dealbreaker for me.
My first centerfire rifle, purchased with a G.I. check, in 1975, was a Marlin 336. This was one of their premium rifles. The quality of the wood, the bluing of the metal parts and general fit and finish, are nowhere to be found in Remlin's rifles, on the market today.
I have handled a Henry rifle in the Scheels in Billings, MT. The quality reminded me of the quality of the Marlin I bought min 1975.
I just don't appreciate the logic behind including a feature that was made obsolete by John Moses Browning in the 1870s. I can tolerate this tube on a Marlin MDL 60, 22LR, but on a highish powered centerfire rifle, I find it anachronistic. In fact, I consider it a flaw. A flaw on what would be a pretty desirable rifle w/o this idiotic feature. A glaring flaw on a fairly expensive rifle.
As a Henry owner, I kinda agree. Tube loading is pretty dangerous, IMO. Reeeeaaaly hard to maintain muzzle control when sticking your hand right in front of the muzzle at weird angles. Plus, no chance of topping off or easy loading.
The new Henry rifles all have gates though. I might consider swapping mine out for that reason.
Same reason I skipped the Henry and went with a Marlin, at the time there was no loading gate option, I don't care for tube loading especially in the field, very easy to drop ammo etc. in the dirt and hard not to point the rifle at part of you. I like to be able to keep the ammo easily topped off, you never know when your hunting rifle could become your self defense rifle when out in the field.
If your not aware they make side gate loading models now. I have one in 45-70 and it’s awesome. Still have the option to load with the tube. I use the tube to unload the gun instead of having to cycle all the rounds.
Thanks for sharing your adventure. Looks like one hell of a good time.
Mine is the same way. Dremel with polish bit to the inside of the mag tube
We had trouble with hornady 45-70 lever action cases splitting
Shot hundreds out of a marlin 1895 with no issues. Prefer barnes 300 GN rounds though.
Very interesting! I always wondered about that ammunition. Very interesting to see how little deformation even the rock caused. I searche for, but couldn't find this video on Full30. Does it have a different title on there or is the search engine just that bad?
What kind of .450 rifle did Earl (?) use (because Canada
45-70 ain't no joke.
I just found your channel, thanks for the effort. I'm a huge 45-70 fan (Marlin 1894SBL). I have skinner sights but am curious, what is the make/model of the aimpoint style sight you have on your Henry? How do you like it's performance in the field? Thank you in advance and again, thanks for the effort with the video.
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I really enjoyed the video, Its nice to hear someone talk about proper shot placement on bears, 100% agree with you. Interesting I have been playing with a Marlin 1895 cowboy here in Alberta, and it does not like to feed Hornady Leverevolution into the chamber, loads alright into the tube but when I go to chamber, jams up on the lip just like you showed with your tube. The other ammo point I found interesting was how you grouped tighter with +p ammo, I reloaded a bunch of 405gr flat nose ammo and the higher the velocity the better my rifle liked it setting out at 1950fps for a nice 1/2 inch group at 100, really happy I put a nice recoil pad because it really helps and makes shooting those rounds enjoyable.
Just picked up a Henry all weather 45-70 today. Nice video!
I'm from New Brunswick, and I can confirm the back country skeeters were terrible that year. Long winter meant nonfood for the birds in the spring, and many died off. When the bugs finally came there wasn't enough birds to eat them all. If I wasn't packing extra beer and bbq weight, they would of carried me off
Haha
Tallest PB is in Klamath Ca standing 49 feet tall the 4 others in North America are 31 ft tall :) love the content brother keep it up! .444 marlin is one of my favorite cartridges followed closely by the .45/70 it's a absolute blast thump stuff with!
I have the same issue with the Hornady ammo in my 44. Henry the lip on the hull catches the tube and makes it little harder to load
Thanks for the shout out! Give us a heads up next time your up this way and we'll hit the range.
yah i was surprised to find him come to NB
@@thecrimsonops lol yeah I was surprised to run into him at Faulkner's
The loading of the hornady was obviously manipulated to make it look like it won’t load. That “lip” isn’t going to cause an issue.
It seemed to me there was an element of operator involved, you should be able to wiggle and rotate the tube to get it past the lip, if it's a problem with Hornady, based on a quick check of my 45-70 ammo, then it's going to be the same with several other brands, as they all have that lip among the ammo I have.
That scoped octagonal barrel was a beauty
What are your thoughts on the X model 45-70 compared to the all weather 45-70 you used in this video?
Could you compare the LeHigh Xtreme Hunter to the Hornady Leverevolution in 45-70?
FPs doesn't mean crap, what barrel length did they test the ammo in. I have had a Marlin 45-70 SS since 76, have shot a lot of handloads, some of the powder doesn't burn before bullet exits the barrel!
Cool video pal. Love the Henry. Happy shooting from the UK!
What red dot are you using?
Which Xtreme Hunter bullet for the 4570 was used the 325 Greiner that was my guess because of the Velocity you stated they also make a 265 Greiner
Hit with a .30-30 and seen the next year? Where did they hit it and which ammo load was it?
People who make bad shots inflate old myths about animals toughness to shift blame to their equipment. Grizzlys and their "impenetrable skull plate", hogs and their "armored shoulder", etc. How did an old .50 cal round ball ever kill these critters years ago?
I've never seen a squishy bear in the wild.
What kind of ammo did you use when you made your original zero? Those +P rounds tickle my fancy!
Spin the tube mag as you run it down and you won’t have issues.
Man, I really like that refile. Those bullets look gnarly.
Can you hunt with Silencers in Canada? Are you allowed to carry a .44 or a 10rd 10mm ?
My Henry 44 mag will certainly get locked up if you have the lever open when you load the tube, but it's easily fixed by unscrewing the lever and pulling it out you can see the round and poke it back up the tube with a plastic chamber flag or equal to it.
That Henry is a great lookin rifle. I can’t afford one but they’re sure nice.
Randle Richardson about $650 where i live for. .45-70 henry
I really want one but I'm in California and pickings are slim right now.
I am glad I listened to the whole video
Even if you can not get a shot you are satisfied. That is hunting. Thanks for sharing
How much chamber pressure do these rounds put out?
The new side loading Henry must have eliminated the problem you had with the Hornady Leverevolution ammo. No problems with my JM Marlin guide gun, and I find it very accurate.
Looked like he could’ve had reloads with FTX projectiles with standard length brass cases. LeverEvolution ammo cases are about .050” shorter than normal SAAMI spec 45/70 ammo.
I just checked the several brands of 45-70 ammo I have on hand. The "lip" on the Hornady ammo is less pronounced than on the Federal I have and is the same on the Remington and Winchester ammo, so that appears to be more to do with the Henry loading tube than ammunition in general the Lehigh seems to be the exception rather than the rule, I've not had issues in my Marlin 1895 with any of them.
@@vanparker2161leverlution jammed my loading gate twice on the x model bullet would get stuck half way out of the tube
What guide service did you use in New Brunswick?
I have a Browning 92 in 44 mag , that leverevolution Hornady don't chamber worth a hoot. Why don't they put a slight crimp on them i wonder? They shoot great and hit hard and do a hell of a good job just don't feed right.
That's got to be the nicest gun ever hands down
Hi everyone, I have two questions, one out of simple curiosity and one more technical: about Hornady bullets and the fact that the collar of the cartridge case hits the magazine tube; this small defect is found only on the Hornady redtip? how do other types of bullets go to train on target? going to touch up the inlet of the tank as a little flaring maybe eat the bullets better? I live in Italy and machined bullets have a certain cost to go to the shooting range. the other question more out of curiosity, how does bear hunting work? do you go to Canada with your gun and can you hunt freely? do you have to pay something? for example, can I take a trip from Italy and hunt game freely? greetings to you from Italy and happy new year.
DUDE! I'm diggin' the au naturel optic's cover..lol......when ya gotta do whatya' gotta do when its raining! See you soon Man!
Yeah man, I'm about lever actions and eating my way through my travels.
Do you think 30 30 not a good round for black bear?
My Henary i can get 5 rounds in the tube and 1 on the chanbber and if it hits on the tune rod i just work it in and it does fine so my Henary works fine with 6 rounds total
I'm kind of a novice shooter, compared to yourself and I know people load/reload their own cartridges. I have not seen before where a bullet looked as intact as the one you showed us. Would it be possible to reload that same bullet and use it again? I think it would either damage the barrel significantly or have bad accuracy. Is it the spiraling on the sides that engages with rifling? I don't know much about fluted bullets.
On occasion you might (i stress might) be able to get away with a "reload" of a slug in a shotgun but not a rifle. The tolerances are simply to tight. And yes the bottm ribbing is what engages the rifling
Never understood why Henry has that tube load feature? It is not classic lever gun at all!! What compels them to make those things?
I don't know what the guide you were listening to was thinking, but a bear WILL move in the rain.
Nice you went to the Gun Dealer as well. Welcome to New Brunswick.
That thing flashes like a Krinkoff! A 45 70 lever action is definitely on my list.
I have a question. You said you were going to hunt in Canada. Do you have your Canadian pal or rpal? Or is there another way for an American to legally bring a rifle into Canada?
Simple, use Marlin rifles !
Guide Gun!
Lol, I'll take a 50 year old savage or winchester over a new marlin anyday
@Dave Alexander Actually I have a XLR JM stamp 45-70 and the new GBL I got a couple of years ago. The first run of Rems where terrible. The new ones are awesome. I got the GBL for $450 brand new. If you know how to use a 1895 I could unload the tube without cycling the action. All you do is push in the bullet stop and the there you go!!
@Dave Alexander Thank you for the kind words!
Marlin 1895 SBL all day long.
I'm from Miramichi NB. Where did you go bear hunting?
Where abouts did you go hunting in NB?
What optic did you use..?????
Where did you hunt in NB?
Thermacells should be mandatory equipment here in NB.
FYI for those thinking about hunting here we are overstocked with bears. You can get two tags a year.
Love the 45-70... Never even thought of putting any kind of scope on it. always just open sights for the last 20 years. Hmmm. might consider a red dot though maybe. take a lot of re-learning though.
Were bolt actions allowed? What kind of restrictions are there on weapons you can use?
What?! You can hunt with bolt guns, lever actions, shotguns, muzzleloaders. You can't hunt with hand guns or restricted firearms like ar-15s.
need to change the follower in that rifle and you can use the Hornady ammo. the Hornady case is actually a different length than flat nose 45-70 ammo. i had to do that and now it works perfectly. the crazy part is, it worked fine during the sight in, then jammed after shooting a deer. luckily i didn't need a follow up shot
Yall got to squeeze the shoulder harder for dem big boys. It can be harder to aim but saves ya shoulder.
Sooory you didn't get a bear there eh? (being Canadian, felt I should throw in a little Canuck speak). It looks like my fellow Canadians took good care you and hopefully you had fun. When International Sportsman turns into a big deal, we'll take you out again and get you the bear you deserve. Great video, thanks.
What sight are you running?
I'm watching that stock dig 4 inches into your shoulder every shot.
Those shells are no joke
I had high expectations for the extreme penetrators with my Henry all weather, could not cycle more than one round without a jam, open for suggestions.
Buy a Marlin 1895 SBL, mine cycles everything I put through it, and so does my brother’s 😎👍
@@Roninforged my marlin wouldn't cycle the hornady.
What outfitter did you use
I use custom made shaped solid copper rounds like the Extrme Penetrator/Hunters in my 10mm Glock side arm for wilderness use and it stopped a charging bull moose dead in its tracks a couple years back now up on the Kenai. I'm a BIG believer in these rounds and I dont even load HCL rounds anymore. The machines 165gr pill doing ~1500fps from my G40 does some devastating things.
What brand of red dot is on the rifle????
I am fram saint john nb cananda what did you think of it here ?
In Maine we judge bears by their ear size. A huge bear has little Oreo sized ears while a little 100 pounders ears look big compared to his head.
I'm a photographer and I've been to Bangor and seen Paul Bunyan countless times. At your video time stamp 4:54, if you would have taken one or two steps to your left and taken a picture, it looks like Paul Bunyan is sticking up his middle finger. That's because the handle of the peavey in his left hand is lined up with his right hand. It's a pretty common local joke. Oh and I do believe that is the tallest Paul Bunyan statue.?
Great video. Thank you for sharing.
I have the Henry H010 steel and it runs the Hornady with zero problems
The problem is a design flaw from Henry's magazine system. The Hornady bullets dont have feed problems in other arms of a different manufacturer
the hornady with the soft tip hangs up on every tube load gun I have tried. never a problem with a side load gate.
I’ve heard Henry has finally made a side gate for some of their rifles. Hopefully that should help.
i guess youtube likes bears
I really like Doc's Henry! Just beauty :)
Wanted to see the vitals so I went to full 30 didn’t see the upload?
Why are you trying to put the bullets in upside down? How do you plan on shooting the gun? I shot a 45 /70 Henery and have never had a problem. The tube of the Herny easily fits
over the case. I reload 100 % of my rounds you must crimp each case to keep the bullet from creeping in the case upon discard of the rifle.
Just so u might wanta know, "Bear Creek Arms" sells a 50cal. beowulf upper receiver {for AR15s}for a very reasonable price....Rock on!
I have a Henry 45-70 and also have that same ammo and mine hangs up as well.
No problems with my Henry and Hornady Leverevolution.
How much does a trip like this cost?
Beautiful rifles, I've been wanting a Henry 45-70 govt. For some time, specifically one with an octagon barrel.
Love the muzzle flash!
Bears aren’t squishy. They’re quite cuddly and squeezable. Just wanna give them a big hug
Concerning the issues with uncrimped ammo, Henry does not recommend Hornady Leverevolution and unfortunately they only listed a couple ammo brands to shoot throught this model, one being Federal's line which is good enough for me. I also reload so I can control the tolerance at the crimp (H010). My issue wasn't so much the loading tube, but the shell carrier getting gouged up inside the action. Henry sent me a new one, reluctantly, so I didn't have to send my rifle in and now I just use Federal or reloads. If you can live with that the rifle is excellent.
The Federal Hammerdown I have has a more pronounced lip than any other ammo brands I have in 45-70, despite being called premium and having the nickel plated cases. It all works fine in my Marlin. Interesting Henry doesn't recommend the Hornady ammo.
@@fiveowaf454 well that's exactly it....it's an issue that needs addressing I think because the Leverevolution was the best shooting ammo that I ran through the rifle with a slightly better velocity and made by one of the best ammo companies in the business. I gather they don't recommend it because of the carrier issue I described.
@@bigriver3278 Based on my own ammo collection I'd expect the issue to be prevalent with many ammo brands/types as they have the lip too.
@@fiveowaf454 Yeah they only recommended like two makes of ammo (believe it or not!)....one being Federal which is another high performer that I like to use, so that's what I stick with unless I'm reloading my own cartridges which I can control the crimp and use whatever components I like including Leverevolution bullets.