Loading 45-70 with 600 grains
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- Casting the NOE HTC 459-600-FN with a crimp groove for some heavyweight 45-70 loads.
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Very useful for self defense against someone whos hiding behind two elephants
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I swear officer, he was in my house when I shot him.
Cop: where is he now.
Well some of him is on the ceiling, the walls, the floor, the kitchen, the basement, the backyard, the tool shed....
Now we need a 45-120 with 900gr
Lmao
Will a 45120 with a 900 grain may not work you have to consider number one it's using the sharps rifle you have to look at the rate of twist if it will stabilize that bullet at 900 grains as I indicated earlier I was told of a gentleman who used the 600 at 20050 feet per second most likely that was out of a 22 inch or a 26-inch Winchester 1886 the standard load from the very very beginning with a 500 g r a i n out of an 1886 Winchester the 405 came later in the trapdoor used by the calvary soldiers in the 19th century 1800 year however Marlon at that time made a 45 85 500 which was chambered in deer rifle in the 1800s as well as the Winchester I'm trying to find an 188645.90 because you can also use 4570 they're both very Kick-Ass rounds and then we have a 4575 Winchester and a 4560
sounds like a good rabbit load.
I don't think it's enough, need to break out the 50 cal for those rascals!
@@ibtrippn08 those damn wascally wabbits sure are tricky
@@CarlitosG1711 This guy gets it 👆
Be wery wery quiet, I'm hunting wabbit.
*Loud Cannon full of grape shot fires*
Turning a rabbit into rab-bits
The round that no one asked for but the round we deserve.
I agree 🤔 wonder if theres anywhere to order these without having to handload
I've always been intrigued with the .45-70. I loaded up 51 rounds of 525gr lead last night and I'm gonna take out my two new .45-70 single shot rifles today. A trapdoor and a high wall. It'll be my first time firing .45-70.
Shout out to Starline for putting 51 pieces of brass in the bag of 50. :D
And here we see the courier preparing to clear quarry junction
He's got beef with a tyrannosaur
We both have short arms, I think we could come to an agreement 🤣
These rounds are for when you absolutely, positively have to hit the target riding on Godzilla's back...
Thank you very much . I have loaded 565 grain and all went well. I am a closely monitored newby. To see a 600 grain is inspiring, just because.
When you have to go through a Rhino, from head to butt, and still hit whatever's behind him.
Vasco Jorge If you hit a whitail in the right spot in the butt , you can practically gut him on the run , watched an old man do it once upon time in my younger days , he was a retired friend of my grandfather's , at like 70yrs old it was his first buck deer , man was he happy , we had tenderloin for lunch.
Becky Watt please explain, instructions inclear
It's like shooting a whole .45 acp catridge.
🤣🤣🤣
That casting set up is awesome.
Sadly it's not getting much use these days, maybe soon.. Thanks for the comment!
Gotta love a bullet heavier than a 12 gauge slug lol
And moving just as fast...scary actually.
Hell thats 50bmg territory
Remember the Tunguska event?
Yeah, these rounds caused it.
This is what I load in my 458 SOCOM suppressed bolt gun. ABSOLUTELY LOVE them.
Nothing on the planet can hide from that bullet weight/velocity combination. DANG. Even the standard 405 gr is impressive on lethality.
WOW, thats a big bullet!! Looks like it has a hell of a quick heavy punch, thanks for the video.
When i was thinking that my 580 grains shotgun slugs @ 1210 fps had some kick to it, there is a madlad on youtube making 600 grains 45/70 safari loads.
Fresh!
Thanks for watching!
Wow, can't wait to try some of these out in my 8" 45/70 T/C Contender!!!
"Fall is upon us. There's a nip in the air and, with it, the faint aroma of fuel oil and Rotella. Peterbuilt season is here and we're loading up to bag us a 14 liter buck."
So we hunting Caterpillars or Detroit Diesels
I must acquire this mold! This was a fun video.
Appreciate it!
plinking? would think they'd be reserved for raptors and the like
...ever heard of plinking raptors?..just saying it does excist...:LOL
I'm not trying to be a know-it-all and realize your joke was meant for comedy's sake (I laughed), but why not share a fun fact or two, eh? Velociraptors were actually no bigger than a large chicken. Lol. Usually 30 pounds at most
david smith like a Utah Raptor. Much more like the Jurassic park raptors. That would be terrifying to come across though.
@@wesleythierolf1175 The jurassic park ones were mostly based on deinonychus. I have no idea why they call them velociraptors.
I just found my new squirrel load it’s cleaned and cooked with 1 shot
Pink mist lol
Honestly itd probably just punch a hole. Not enough flesh and bone to flatten the bullet out or cause it to tumble.
This is satisfying
I like the 535 gr Postell bullet by Lyman. A tried and true long distance bullet for the 45-70.
4 big grease grooves to carry lube down long barrels.
I shoot them in my Browning BPCR with excellent results.
I know I’ve watching this video as I was digging the purple PC but I must didn’t comment. Congratulations on the growth of this content. 58K views wow. Great job Brother.
Appreciate it Chico, I promise it's some youtube voodoo at work. Either that or I need to figure out who shared this and link them to my other videos none of these 58k people know about 😂 Take care man!
Good video 45-70 is a real man gun
For when you need to take out a bear and the 2 behind it
And they all are behind the neighbour's house.
Thanks mate I was confused as you also had a bottle with blue liquid in it as well. Thanks for the clarification good video . I have a lee Enfield in 375 win and a 450 bushmaster but would love a 45 70 thanks for great video
I'm thinking you mean the small bottle of blue liquid next to my lead pot? That's two stroke oil for lubricating molds. 45-70's are a lot of fun, such a versatile cartridge to load for. Appreciate you watching!
"Ach du lieber, mein schatz"! Nice review for a dandy bullet! Nice music too! I'd ask you to dance, but I'm married, you lucky guy you!! Seems like the "kick" from that load punished you more than it looked! "Gesundheit"!!!
Subcribed because of awesome channel name and well made video.
I appreciate it!
I like the channel name, at least you are not lying.
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That's some healthy recoil
i am going to try this,,,great video,,,,,,,,this is the real deal,,
Well now we have an adequate bullet for removing the factory sights from a Springfield xd
These make those movies that put the whole bullet in the slow mo scene believable.
thats a dino killer for sure buddy!
that's a HOT round right there
Awesome! Takes an awful long time to fill that 4 cavity mold 😎. Can’t wait to get one for myself.
Nice rifle and those rounds are thumpers 👍👍
Informative 👍😊👍
Definitely a stout plinking load:) kinda like taco plinking with a 500 s&w mag:) thats an awesome gun. I wanted one but built a .358 socom instead. Thanks for sharing the video!
You're not wrong, taco might have influenced my idea of what constitutes a plinking load haha. I don't intend to use it too often but my shoulder is glad it only took two trips to reach my goal velocity. Thanks for checking it out!
Nice video. That's a chunk.
Look at that recoil!
I'll be trying out the Lee 500 flat nose in my Trapper soon but i have to use the Lee factory crimp die to do so.
Judging by the picture of the bullet i'm assuming you have to seat past the crimp groove in order to cycle them?
I like my 4570 BFR revolver and I load lee mold 500 grain wheel weight lead powder coated up to 1,600 feet per second. You use the same muscles swinging a sledgehammer. It feels awsome .
I like that they are coated blue
Wheel bearing grease works great to
When your target wanders in a nuclear shelter.
Trail boss (is awesome) with those would make a nice round for back yard critters, quiet too.
That round was absolutely putting a wallop on the water out there
Awesome :)
Nice to see the same riff-raff hanging out around here. Thanks for the video. I need to get that mold in hollow point, the rg4. I have the 459-500 but more is better.
I have the rg4 of this mold but without the crimp groove. I've never tried to cast HP's before, might be time to try those single shot style.
@@ibtrippn08 NOE hollow points are a bastard, get the pins hot and get a bigger mold whacker. . see th-cam.com/video/C9LJpIMjG8E/w-d-xo.html
I could use the flat sided hollow point, let me know if you wan't to sell or trade. I paper patch up to .468 for my martini henrys and I don't need the crimp grove.
Seems like a good candidate for a good suppressed round. Sub'd
I appreciate it, I need to get back into this stuff some day. If you check out my "big bore suppression" video I used a different load to keep these subsonic.
Nice cartridge for the BFR 45-70 revolver
.50 BMG: 600 grains, son!
.45-70 Government: Listen here, you little shit...
I can feel it
Whooooo
Those gotta have some thump
Though personally I’d have loaded them as subs just tickling 1050 FPS
I won't push them past 1050 in my 458 socom SBR, so I have the subs covered. Figured I would have some fun with these. Thanks for checking it out!
@@ibtrippn08 probably devastating over that supersonic threshold, do you run the same casting through the 458socom?
@@RichardCranium321Yes I do, three different parts. Look for Loading 458 Socom - 600 grain Cast. Part 1 is my fourth or fifth video.
@@ibtrippn08 I recently acquired a Lee single stage when my uncle passed & my brother refurbishes re-certifies life rafts so has access to hundreds of pounds of pure lead in small taffy like strips as well as already cast .40" lead balls for the ballast & "rope ladder" used to enter the raft from the water. Most are still inside their fabric, not exposed to air & not corroded. I have a .450 bushmaster & .458 socom but ammo is fairly expensive & I've been considering getting the dies & bottom pour machine to take advantage of my situation. However, I was recently told that wheel weights are what you want & not "pure" soft lead. Any advice? Should I scrap the soft lead & just buy factory hardcast & jacketed? I've yet to even shoot the .450 due to lack of "decent" ammo availability, can't find for less than $1.90/rd
@@RichardCranium321 I would definitely not scrap the soft lead, or if you plan to I will gladly buy it off of you. If you've never checked out "castboolits.gunloads.com" there you will find all of the information you will need about casting bullets. Plenty of people sell clip on wheel weights or range scrap online, already melted down into ingots on that website as well in the swappin and sellin section. They aren't selling 24/7 but every couple of weeks they pop up. Even better if you can find some linotype, foundry type or mono type which are all pretty hard lead. Depending on what else you can find simply mix that with your pure lead (you will rind ratios to reach estimated hardness on that site) to bring the hardness up a bit. If you're still worried about the hardness then water quenching out of the mold adds a bit, as well as letting the bullets age for 3-4 weeks before you load them. If you plan to powder coat it changes the game a lot, if I am casting subsonic bullets I will just use whatever is in the pot at the time, unconcerned with the hardness. Either way even if you choose not to cast I still recommend reloading for 458 socom, there is such a broad array of projectiles out there.
What's this good for? Anything behind a tree or in heavy brush.
lol I do the same thing with Gelato Jars. they are perfecty for reloading
600 gr at 1300fps... Time to line up the T-Rex's! Hey, so which powder did you like better with that bullet?
Speaking only in terms of velocity A2015 just isn't as efficient.. It did give complete burn with this bullet at 1050fps for a good sub load, in some of my 300 grain testing it was leaving powder in the chamber. I randomly picked up the 2015 a couple years ago and keep trying to find a good use for it, no luck yet. IMR4198 has outperformed it in all of my testing so far, planning to try it in 308 next week.
Hunting wooly mammoths are we? Lol
You use these bullets when your defending your home against the tripods from war of the worlds or king kong
I use these to defend my home against other homes.
Ive been going totry this powder coat thing how many fps is it good to before leading occurs?
I for one am glad this man has created the best possible ammunition for defense against the mother-in-law.
I think we need a bigger round for that 😬
Great video! That would be an awesome option to drop the powder down just a little to make a sub sonic monster.
Appreciate it. If you check my other videos, I run this bullet subsonic in my 458 socom. Keep a look out over the next few months for these 45-70 subsonic though. I recently had this barrel threaded :)
Exactly my thought!
It's shooting good see how low of a velocity you can go while it still groups acceptably out at a certain range that bullets so heavy you don't need much velocity go through anything still
Not sure whats going through someones head to hit that dislike button, cuz man thats a sick round
Intertesting video, powder how many grains?
Thank you
I saw this and said oh god we are gonna watch this
Appreciate you checking it out!
Do you have a list of all the hardware you use for this? I’ve been getting interested on bullet smithing for a while but I can never get ahold of the equipment.
Have you loaded the Lyman 457125 500 gn bullet? I just loaded some with 40gn of varget, but haven't shot them yet. Going off of trapdoor loads, because I can't find loads for it for the 1895. The ruger no 1 loads scare me in that gun.
I have not loaded that bullet. Looking at hodgdons website 40gr varget is the starting charge for a 405 grain bullet. Max charge is 50 at only 20k CUP so I don't see you having anything to worry about but just as a heads up.
Gotta love a lever action.
This would be a great prank round
I would love to talk to you about these. I dont recall the twist of those Marlins. I have tried the 730 grain Matt's bullet in 458 Lott and having issues with them not stabilizing. I have a 1-14 twist. Using IMR4320 I got them to stabilize somewhat but I'm leaning towards trying a lighter bullet such as the NOE 600 grain. I am a big fan of heavy for caliber bullets.
What is your alloy you are using?
Did they keyhole or fly true and what is the twist rate for your gun?
Be blessed.
Nate
If you go to my videos, the most recent one I tested stabilization at 50 yards and they flew straighter than I expected. I think it's a 1:18 twist barrel I'll have to double check. These bullets are very hard, I didn't realize it at the time but my water quenched clip on wheel weights are testing 20+bhn. For this application that's a waste of hard alloy so new ones are getting cast around 10-12bhn, I haven't had a chance to test them yet.
@@ibtrippn08 awesome. Thanks for the reply. NOE is apparently out of the moulds currently. Seeing if they can get another one started.
@@nathanevans6297 Call them up, Al is a pleasure to deal with on the phone. I called a few weeks ago asking to get a mold into the inventory schedule and he said it will take a few weeks but he tries to fit them in when he can. I think there are a few people looking for this mold.
If they ever succeed in cloning mammoths or apatosaurs, it's good to know someone's ready.
When that happens I'll send you some, gotta help out a fellow random bald guy!
Thanks for watching!
yep. look what happened on Jurassic park
New sub taco sent me glad I came.
Thanks, I appreciate it!
When your round is so powerful it instantly cooks whatever you hunted
Yep, 1300-fps is really good for a 600-grain projectile exiting an 18-inch barrel from a Marlin 1895-SBL.
For curiosity's sake, I wonder how many fps you might pick up by exiting out of a 26-inch barrel from a Marlin 1895-CB or how many fps you might lose by exiting out of a 16-inch barrel from a Marlin 1895-Trapper?
Good video. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
What is the casting equipment you use? The smelter/pourer thing mainly. What's that called?
Here you go:
www.midwayusa.com/product/1262645810
You should get a bullet catcher, that's a lot of lead to plink with. Awesome video btw. Thanks for sharing
A bullet trap is not far down my list of things to do. When I find some half inch plate steel for the right place I intend to weld one together. I appreciate it, thanks for watching!
Can you do a ballistic gel test on these? I’m really curious if the gel will explode or something.
I don't think it will be anything that spectacular, but I would like to try it if I get the chance.
That’s a lot of lead!
An good idea would be making those projectile out of Lyman #2 ingots (lead, tin and antimony).
I prefer the Roll Crimp too. I've loaded the heavy Jae-Bok Young's, 45-70 cal, 0.459" diameter, 550gr WFNGC "Crater" Hard Cast (Custom Bullet Mold for New Marlin 1895sbl Short Throat)
Those rounds went through the tree and hit the water behind the target. I had some 600 grain loads once you could see the shadow following them when they went down range in the bright sun.
I know it looks that way but it's simply a deceiving camera angle, they're passing by the right side of the tree. However there used to be some trees at the waterline which all conveniently broke about 3 feet up from the ground during a wind storm a while back and I found one of these in the stump. Now that's an idea, if I can get these on a long open range with some sun above i'll keep an eye of for the shadow. Thanks for watching!
@@ibtrippn08 they are big enough you might be able to see the shadow with a very sharp eye. The mk-19 has a max range of 2200 meters and I do remember being able to see those 40mm grenades sail downrange.
When you take the concept of HEAVY hitting bullet too far.
3:34 America.
What is the powder you coat the bullets in and the blue coating
You caught the discrepancy! The powder I put on them was white, which was clear powder coat. But the bullets I actually loaded in this footage were coated with blue powder coat.
Very nice. The powder coating do a great job of preventing leading of the bore?
Yes it does!
@@ibtrippn08 That's awesome, mind sharing a link to your preferred powder coating supplies? I have a .45-70 i've been buying molds for, and starting to make more time for my hobbies, nice to hear that it works great for preventing leading.
@@KCDustRemover castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?252509-VS-Hi-Quality-Powdercoating-Powder-For-sale
Smoke4320 is probably the best bang for your buck just starting out if you want to try color options. Most companies will only sell 1 pound at a time, with his three color trial size you can see what you like without spending a lot.
I have recently started to try powderbuythepound.com which is also what Full.Lead.Taco uses. Their glass clear does great, haven't tried too many other colors yet though.
The water splash behind the target is like a 16 inch battle ship gun 😊
What’s the accuracy at “longer” ranges? When does the bullet start to keyhole because it’s too long for the rifling to properly stabilize it?
I made a follow up video shooting them at 50 yards you can check out. Since then I have only shot these one time, they're just for fun to see if I could do it so I wasn't concerned with all of that. Maybe some day I'll sens them a few hundred yards and see.
What are hunting with them??? I use 330 gain hollow point in mine for black bears! They don't go far. Usually dead were they stand
I don't think I will be hunting with these unless as previously commented the raptors come back. With hunting season back in I do plan to make a video loading the 300gr TSX for whitetail though.
Its for squirrel hunting
@@nates691 Squirrel the size of a megatherium
@@ibtrippn08 Water buffalo would be what you use this for. 45-70 could even bring down an elephant if you aim for the head.
It's for Tyrannosaurus.
If you're getting dents with spray, or any other lube it means the vent hole in your sizer die is blocked. Why are you chamfering the case instead of using the bell die/flaring die since most all straight wall case dies are 3 die sets with the bell die? Just curious.
I chamfer the cases in addition to using the NOE expanders, similar to the Lyman M die. Chamfering case mouths of brand new brass is a habit I developed out of necessity loading 458 socom. I prefer to expand without "belling" the mouth out like a trumpet to make cases last longer, every once in a while some powder coat scrapes off and this just helps prevent that.
I'd love to see how much muzzle energy you can develop with a 24 or 26 inch barrel.
Well let's see judging by the fact there are calculators online for ft lbs of energy.. if you sort out the fps.. hence the chronograph.. say 1290-1300 fps.. 600 grain projectile.. makes it around.. 2200-2300 ft lbs of energy.. at the point where it passes the chronograph..
Too much
@@davidsmith9189 That is positively not true. The barrel length absolutely effects velocity. The only limiting factor in that is the powder charge. If you have a great muzzle flash as the bullet leaves the barrel, that is wasted energy. Add 6 inches to that barrel and muzzle velocity increases. There is an optimal balance between barrel length and powder charge. Faster burning powders serve the short barrel well, but with barrels over 28 inches and bullet weights over 350 grains, fast burning powders do not maintain chamber pressure long enough to fully accelerate the bullet. A slower burning powder allows for more powder to be used, producing a longer burn time and increased muzzle velocity. There is a reason the 45/70 has such a long case. It needs plenty of room to fully ignite the fuel before maximum pressure is reached.
@@davidsmith9189 You need to study the laws of acceleration. velocity increases exponentially while force is applied. The last 6 inches of a 24 inch barrel accelerates the bullet as much as the first 18 provided the pressure remains equal.
@@davidsmith9189 I don't suppose you would be able to explain that in terms of pressure variation, acceleration of mass and drag coefficient. You know,, the actual laws of physics. You seem to be singling out 45-70 like it behaves differently than other high power ammo. Why is that?
A question if you mind or not: Assuming there is no reason to use any noticeable distance between shooter and target since you are measuring the bullet speed, is
that rather large shot group at such a close range the result of flinching ? My H&R Shikari model 155 weighed less than 6 Lbs and with factory ammo it kicked
about equal to the 5.75 Lb H&R topper model single shot 12 G using field loads. I considered that to be very moderate. If someone considers that as excessive then perhaps they might buy a 223.
These loads really don't recoil enough to cause flinching but it very well would cause larger groups. The reason for them in this video is my only concern was putting them over the chronograph. When I do this for numbers only I don't care where they go as long as I get a reading. Once I have run my ladder charges and narrowed down my window to within a half grain that's when I shoot for groups. Thanks for watching!
@@ibtrippn08 OK that clears up the picture. That looked like a Henry All Weather... I was thinking about doing something like what you did, but
using a 500 Gr bullit(or something very close to it) in pure lead. But my rifle has no receiver around the end of the barrel to help with the chamber
pressure. I also intend to use Pyrodex. The gun would be the H&R Buffalo rifle. Part of the objective is to re-create the original factory load to
see how they perform. Any thoughts ?
How did you get that cool powder coat color?
There is a bit of editing mess up in this video that may lead you to believe I did something special. For the powder coating process shown here I coated them clear which is the white powder. However the bullets I ended up loading in this video were previously coated with a different powder. I didn't have to do anything special, it's just one coat of a single powder. It's a topcoat and since I don't put any base down beforehand it lets a lot of the natural lead show through in some areas and coats other areas with blue. I'm 99% sure it's from Prismatic Powders - LP Blue. (PS I'm colorblind, these bullets are blue right? 🤣🤣
Now THAT is some lead poisoning! Wow
Why such a heavy round, what are you trying to kill, the Empire State Building?
So is grains the bullets or the gun powder?
I have a question I have some 345gr lead hollow points looking for a load to use I'm all set just need a powder and charge size I will be shotting them from a Marlin 1895 cowboy for hunting any suggestions and I have some 300 gr with gas checks want max power for both
I didn't load to max but if you check out my "Loading 45/70 - NOE .458 354 Part 2" it will give you an idea of the velocities I got with Accurate 2015 and IMR 4198. I also have a video on 300 gr jacketed hollow points, but I have not done 300gr cast yet.
Great video that is one big ass pill to shoot
Appreciate it Willie
I enjoyed this.
As you already have a handle on process, you might consider taking the next step and get some good swaging dies. Then you could add a copper jacket or base guard if you want or still make plain lead but the process is faster and even more precise. I had Richard Corbin make mine. And either way I bet your bullets would sell, they are very nice.
Bullet swaging definitely interests me, hopefully some years down the road I can get into it. Thanks for watching!