45-70 Govt - 100 Yard Ammo Test!!!
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- Which factory loading will get the best groups at 100 yards???
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you know theres just something special about a round when people still use and talk about it when its 150 years old,
True that.
Oh yeah
45-70 is the only "Government" you can rely on.
@Adam Chapman It's a great caliber. Wide variety of loads and power levels available even if you don't reload.
Shooting the 45-70 is like opening the whole can of whoop-ass.
I've got a .45-70 Guide Gun, a .45-70 Double rifle and a .45-70 single shot. love em all!
I've been looking for a .45-70 Double rifle. What do you have? I'm hoping Henry will make one.
@@chilkat_river I used an over-under tri-star shotgun with two 45-70 barrel inserts and a set of truglo vent tryin sights.
You can beat me with a scope. But I just can’t bring myself to put a scope on my Henry side loader. The things a work of art.
I sure do like a 45-70. The one I have was my dad's it sure does bring back a lot of good memories every time I shoot it
Hold on to it ur if it gets gone u'll always always miss n regret it.
@@justinweaver8787. Amen to that.
I love how you're hiding out in the bathroom so as to not disturb the wife. :) Love your stuff, Hank Hill!
😆😆😆 that is the kitchen
Rarely do you ever have to shoot more than once at a deer so that first shot you had with each type of ammo is your impact point as you will be shooting a cold gun. Until I had private property where i could take my time at the range i never realized just how much point of impact could change after just one shot. I have a 450 bushmaster that is dead on and i mean dead on at 100 yards on a cold shot but subsequent shots shifted 4 inches high and 3 inches left. Once i could wait 15 minutes between shots i could see that first shot was the correct shot and the rest were a warm barrel grouping. Just something to think about.
I've had this huge problem the last couple of months. Not until some weeks ago i figured out why my 26 inch CB wasn't accurate. I kept sending 5+ bullets through a smoking hot barrel. Mounting a peepsight on the receiver made it even worse. The deviation difference from heat is absolute massive... At 100 yards, it could be as much as half a yard, sometimes more. For my 1895 SBL, it shoots everything gladly, round after round. But the CB is sensitive, needs time to cool off. To make things worse, it only eats expensive ammo. It hates handloads no matter what powder or bullet weight.
You have to sight in a rifle at the temperature it should be shot. More likely a cold barrel, maybe even a follow up shot. Let it cool, clean it out. Shoot as you would have when you are gonna hunt.
Fort Scott, huh?! Yeah, this ammo’s not cheap. When you figure a “long shot” of 200 yards, a .625” group at 100 yards is necessary. I love that a 300 grain slug is hardly effected by a cross wind, and it will drop a bear or wolf in their tracks. Thanks for this video, cause I’m switching to Fort Scott 300 grains from now on. Thanks again, Bill from Minnesota.
Fort Scott’s TUI makes a massive wound cavity. They have videos posted when’re they show the gel block opening top and bottom from the shock wave.
Are you saying its hardly affected by wind because its heavy, or its hardly affected by wind because its going quicker than heavier fir caliber bullets?
My Marlin GBL is perfectly happy with the 325gr FTX. Roughly 1 to 1.5" groups at 100yds. My dad's early ported 1895G would clover leaf with them. I just found out the hard way not to leave a spotting scope on the bench when touching off a ported, short barreled 45-70.
I took a Marlin 1895 guide gun white tail hunting. I used the Hornady 325grn FTX round. I sighted in at 100yrds. I took a 150yrd shot on a big buck thinking there would be minimal drop. I was wrong. The shot dropped quite a bit and was not clean. I had to track the dear for about a mile. Barrel length, ammunition choice, and proper load testing at all ranges are critical. With a short barreled .45-70, 50yrds makes a surprising difference.
Did you not practice with the round first? That's incredibly irresponsible and just plain stupid. Plug the round into any ballistic calculator and even with a 18 or 19" barrel it would only be roughly a 4" drop at 150 yard with a 100y zero. You should have made that shot with a little compensation. A 125y zero would have been point blank +/- 2.5" out to 150y, and a 150y zero would put you at 3.2" out to 175y. All better zeros than 100y.
It's always good to see the leverguns out.. especially the 4570..🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Anxious to see if your 1895 likes my choice: Hornady 325 grainers. I've put 3 through 1 ragged hole at 100 yards more than once. (Scoped of course)
a gun and caliber thats been on my want list for a long time
Do not hesitate. Get one ASAP. The new Ruger Marlins should be available any minute now. I have a Henry H010 I would like to sell. It does not have the side loading gate. It's a great carbine, handy as all get out but I just don't care for it. I do covet my Marlin 1895, however.
Fantastic video! Good ammo comparison. Fort Scott Munitions is awesome! Whitetail, elk, and moose here we come. Good work!
Great show thanks my friend
Love it... 41 grains of 4198. And a 405 grain soft tip... mine will shoot 1 inch or less time after time..
The 250 grain Hornady and the fort Scott ones did the best. And that was some amazing shooting!
Thanks for watching!
I baught my father in law the Henry 45-70. I gave him a primary arms red dot. Works like a champ with his old eyes
Great show. Love the 45-70. Tried and true all American. I only have 3 different calibers for rifles .... 30-30 , 30-06 and 45-70. Thanks for ya hard work making these honest and accurate shows. And have a great day.
Thanks for watching Scott
I have the same
A lot of people say putting a scope on a lever rifle takes away from the historical look. Personally I think if those who used them back in the 1800's had the technology and ability to mount a scope on their lever guns we would be looking at a different history.
They 100% had access to telescopic sights back in the late 1800s.
@@pappy374 Sure, but they were fragile, huge and expensive as hell. That's why the tang mounted peep sights were so popular. The tang sight offers 90% or more of the accuracy benefit of a telescopic sight, but were much cheaper and durable.
@@shockwave6213 Oh, sure. I'm just saying that people shouldn't say that lever guns shouldn't have a scope because it "wasn't historically accurate", because that is not correct. I say put whatever you want on whatever you want and have fun.
Once I reached nearly 80 years old I had a scope put on my 1998 Miroku Winchester 1886 in 45-70....I got my first 45-70 about 1965....
They need to make the brass "Quigly" scope.
Love that .45/70! Mine is a New England Firearms Handi-Rifle. I handload mine with the 300 grain jhp for hunting rounds and when I reached 2000 FPS with my handloads, the groups just magically fell into a cloverleaf pattern and to me, it’s still a mild pleasant load to shoot. All you gotta do is shoot that big bore a few times and see how effective it is on game and you’ll be hooked!
Love my Marlin 45 70 GBL. Shoots multiple different brands just fine.
I took 2 deer in Minnesota this year with my Henry 45 -70 . One running at 80 yards and he only went 30 yards. Second one was at 90 yards and she dropped in her tracks. My bing bang loves the Hornady lever evolutions. Go figure. 😆
Love my 45-70. Just remember that the length of the FTX brass is shorter than standard 45-70.
I noticed the winchester super x I got for my marlin in 2020 was a lot thinner than some of my older winchester brass.
Do you know what the exact dimensional differences are?
I don’t recall off the top of my head
The brass needs to be .060" shorter when used with Hornady FTX bullets. If you reload you have to keep that brass separate from your regular 45-70 brass.
I heard the Lee factory crimp die won’t work with them also. I have an H&R single shot so I don’t think I’ll need it anyway. If I do I will buy a different brand die.
I love the content. Keeps my attention no matter how long or short the video is
Appreciate you watching bigtime
WOW, that’s some awesome groups. I have that same rifle. I’ve never gotten groups that small, I’ve gotten some 1” groups with my handloads at 100 yards. Which is awesome for FULL POWER 350gr. loads. They kick 🦵 like a Kentucky Mule too.
The hornady monoflex is the clear winner there
That’s what I use
Thanks for the review. My Marlin seems to like the fusion. I have the 26” octagon barrel.
I have a Marlin 1895 CB and use the Fort Scott Munitions 45-70 300gr TUI. I have taken whitetail deer and black bear with that round, very impressed with the knock down power and wound channels.
I have a Marlin 450 and it is awesome. The 450 round will take higher pressures and makes for a little better ballistics. I pulled the bullets off the 325 Flex and replaced with 300 JSP and hard cast led. They really do the job.
Hey brother it's more so of a cold bore shot than a fouling shot. The temperature of the barrel effects the impact of the shot by how tight the barrel grabs the projectile and with hot and cold it it expands and contracts. So the longer you weight between shots the impact will be different. So when you stop between different ammo types and talk then fire one it will hit in a different spot than the next 2or3 that are going down a hot barrel. Same thing of you set And shoot 50 rounds your barrel will get really hot and your groups will open up. Love the videos keep up the great work man love it!
Isn't a cold bore shot I don't think in just 10 seconds 🤔
Very cool. Love my Henry X 45-70. Love the Marlin as well.
Wish you would have tested those 405 grain Remington bullets. Unreal in my guide gun.
Henry 45-70 side gate H010G here... Scoped with the Leopold 1.5-4 VX Freedom but setting much lower on the gun with Weaver mounts instead. It likes the 325 FTX although learned real quick it was time to start reloading myself again due to the current cost/lack of ammo available in this area. I don't have a fireplace to display it over and bought it to use. ;)
Had very similar results in my GBL with the Hornady. 325s and 250s had very similar POI.
Nice shooting Sir. I loved the video, Thank You.👍👍👍👍👍👀😎
Thanks for the great video!
In my experience, I've never seen good grouping results with the Fusions out of any gun in any caliber. My Marlin 336 35 Rem love the 200gr LeverEvolution FTX rounds
Great Video, probably need to shoot a 5 shot group for definitive results. The Fort Scott is impressive, but the first shot was a long way from the group. I love 45-70, just looking at the Ammo gives me a thrill :) and my Marlin 1895 SBL has to be my favorite rifle, I love the look and feel with the added bonus of knowing what 45-70 can do to anything on the receiving end.
Thank you for another informational video. Also, great shootn'. 🎯🎯🎯👍
I own 2 1895 rifles. I like both of them. The 1895 is a very good big game rifle. I would not hesitate to use it on any big game in North America. It can be loaded to be mild or wild. Very versatile cartridge. A reloaded can really take advantage of the options.
Awesome caliber, awesome guns 💯
i love 45-70! i will have one someday! now you know what yours loves. Hope to see more 45-70 videos!
Thanks again WTW, my 45/70 is the same as yours. I’ve not shot it much the last year, just something special about this one. A great caliber tru the ages, good shooting and gods speed to the WTW FAMILY AND FANS. 👍🇺🇸
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I've had a Marlin 1895 for several years.... gives me giggles every time I shoot it. I've never regretted buying it. I am thinking of a red dot vs scope because it's also my mid range defensive gun.
Works great! I have a Sig Romeo5 on my 444P
Great idea. Lightweight and fast on target.
Thanks for spending the time and money to do this! I JUST got a Marlin 1895 in 45-70 last year. Sighted in at 50 yards and took a small buck last year with it. Passed on some better deer at 80 yards. Need to get mine cited in at 100!
Thanks for watching Andrew
I agree with you about the scopes on guns thing for sure...
A 45-70 is a good gun for hunting
That 5/8" group is awesome! You must have had company cause it looks like your on the toilet at the first and last of the vid,its cool Ive done weird stuff on the toilet too LOL!!!
Look's great Adam! Federal and Henry teamed up to make a new round about 2 year's ago called the hammer down. The lady from Gunscom recently took a Water Buffalo in afr
Great video!
That is astonishing how different brands of ammunition can be that far apart on the target! Some at the top ,some at the bottom and some in the middle! All I can say is ,I’ll be dogged!
Yup
That is why, when hand loading, you "work up" the load and try different brand and weight of powder. All the "factory" loads have differing powder, load wight, and bullet. Rifle barrels have a "vibration harmonics." and EVERY barrel is different. It is important to find a load that most closely matches the barrel.
I love my 45-70. Mine is a single shot h@r buffalo classic. Great video, keep it up!
I personally have had great luck with those evolution bullets in 30-30 That 250 grain load might do better on deer Enjoyed the video as always
Pretty impressive groups on those last two, whotee. I thik you've found a couple of new, accurate hunting boolots...😁
Great video bro.!
Thanks for the info and i love 4570
Love me some Lever Action. Lovin the new backdrop too!
😝😝😝 film in the kitchen when I need to
@@WHOTEEWHO Do watcha gotta do!
I've been hunting with and reloading the 45-70 for 54+ years. A lot has changed in those years with bullet construction, powders, and primers. I hunt with a 2014 Marlin 1895 classic in 45-70 with a leupold 1x4 pig plex scope. My load from Barnes #3 is 250 grain copper HP, Accurate 1680, at 2,500 feet per second, and that is not the top load! It is point blank to 200 yards, my range is 200 yards. It makes things real dead fast. Like I said, lot has changed since I first fired the 45-70 in a Springfield trapdoor with 405 grain bullet at 1,500 feet per second.
45-70 is one of those cartridges where it really pays to reload, both in terms of being able to afford to shoot it, and in accuracy potential. After a lot of testing I found a couple loads that shoot well in both a Contender pistol, and rifles.
I'm with ya on the scope, I just like to mount them as close as possible to the bore. It looks like a scope on the carry handle of my old Colt AR 15 SP1. Way up there!!
Love to see some clay blocks and gallon jugs with the ft scott
Love the video buddy!
Thanks for watching Tony
Good job who tee ! I just bought that very same box of ammo , fort Scott 300 grain and shot my sbl in with them , ouch$$$$! Wherever I put the dot there was a large hole. Sometime fun like that comes with a cost. Keep up the good work.
Love my 45/70 , best group i get out of mine was with federal power shock 300gr hollow points, at least with what i have tried . Cant wait to see how the new marlins do with ruger changing the barrels up to their barrel and rifling cut . I'll be in line to get one.
I like the checkering design on your grip and forearm, “Beautiful” I agree the scope can’t be beat for accuracy long shots. My eyes too are not the greatest now. It’s like a blurry double looking through the semi Buckhorns although with up to 75 yard shots I can still hit bullseyes with the irons but anything out farther, I am considering putting a scope on mine.
Every video is about to be a really fun video
Believe I was at the range while you were shooting this video, happened to end up on your channel by accident. Good stuff!!
Small world!
Expensive video but very fun!!! Nice video!!!
good ol 45-70, its still here and your testing it in 2021. Gas Checked cast or hard cast works well in the Marlin. soft not so much, my 45-70 has a micro groved barrel. I found hot loads break scopes. The bullet doesn't go far so a good pistol scope works. Great Video!
Thanks for watching planker
Put a Picatinny rail with ghost rings with a scout scope and quick release rings u get the best of both worlds and put a bigger loophole on be happy when u have gloves on.
Wow. Try to find a 24" stainless barreled one back when marlin still made the barrels. They will clover leaf all day.
Love the 45-70!
I also use and like the Winchester super x
I have a 1895 JM. Marlin rifle. The rifle is my favorite! Great video 🦅🇺🇸
Thanks for watching William
Make sure you use that limb saver buddy it won’t hurt near as much lol 😝
I actually forgot it....
and don't do what my brother did when he first tried mine he left the stock about 2" off his shoulder lucky it was only factory 300gr ammo he reckoned it bloody hurt
I love the 45 70 hope u have a good rest of ur week an weekend buddy. Stay warm.
You too!
@@WHOTEEWHO thank u
I LOVE the 45-70 thumbs UP and shared. :)
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with my Marlin 1895 Classic , the Leverevolution "plastic"-tipped bullets would ALWAYS jam when cycling the next round (found out that they are a tad longer than other 45-70 bullets) ... my go-to ammo are the flat nose Remington Core-Lokt 405 gr. bullets , 'cause even though they're heavier , they cycle far better for follow-up shots !!!
I have not had the same problem with the Hornady 325 FTX rounds. My Remington made 2017 1895 CB 45-70 cycles the same ammo without a problem. Is your 1895 made by JM or Remington? Just wondering. There may be some sort of chamber dimension difference.
If you are loading the FTX yourself on std length brass that is your issue. Factory FTX is loaded on slightly shorter brass.
I got to fire a 45/70 out of a trapper, several years ago..in a lever rifle. I love it..
Those Fort Scott rounds did very well. The really impressive point of this post was your shot groups at 100 yards with a lever action 45-70 Govt rounds were no bigger that just under 3 inches and down to 5/8ths of an inch. Just wow!!!
Bought some of that fort Scott at a show early this year been loving it
It did good
Love 45-70 videos. More the better. Thanks wtw
Thanks for watching B G
The Hornaday 250gr. to me had the prettier grouping i wish you would have spent a 4th round like you did the fort scott ammo. But was a very helpful video keep it up, great job.
We need the top two in water jugs, gel block testing 🙂👍 oh big clay blocks.
I would likely go with the Hornady 250 Monoflex. Thank you.
Super cool same hole groups! That fourth bullet ended up being worth it!🇺🇲✝️🇺🇲
Nice groups, loved the size of the hole on the target . That's one fat bullet .
405 cast .458, with powder coat, come in @ 435 + gr, 3031 pusher....ba bing....BANG....Moose Tremble. Done deal...one shot results...doubled up for safety. Only have 200 pounds of lead left....405 grains at a time.
Pretty good groups there WTW good caliber also
Fort Scott! Want to try in my 7.62x39. Should try some in your Rugar American.
Thanks for the video. I would probably still use the Winchester just for the cost.
You ever shot $50 of ammo, and left the range thinking.
That was least satisfying $50 ever gave me?
Yes, I'm drooling over the brass. This is, hands down, my favorite ammo to load.
You need to get that scope up another 2-3 inches from bore axis. An old iron board frame could double as the base. All jokes aside I love 45-70 videos it's easier on my pocket watching you shoot them.
Great video. I've been wondering how different manufacturers, bullet types and weights would do in my 1895. I've got some 420 grain and 540 grain hardcast lead bullets I need to pattern. Bought em for bear defense, but to date the planned trip hasn't happened. After watching your video I'm definitely gonna order some of those all copper rounds for deer and pig.
Thanks for watching Dallas
Look into the videos of fort Scott’s TUI ammo. They leave a massive wound cavity. One video shows a 45-70 that opens the top and bottom of a gel block. It’s amazing the energy transfer
I read about a world class hunter, can't remember his name. He was asked about being a good shot and he said, if you could hit 4 inch target at 100 yds with 4 rounds you were pretty good. This from a guy who hunted everything. I think I read about him in the Lee reloading manual.
I appreciate your time and money you put into this video very much!
My Marlin groups very good also. I will try the monoflex and see how it shoots.
But I am looking for a serious load for bear and a heavier lead.
My 45-70 Stainless Steel Marlin with a Skinner peep sight is my Go To gun that I bought at a pawn shop about 7 years ago for $400!
You do know the closer you have the scope to the barrel the easier it is to sight in your gun And your face won't be so far off the gun ,Great show keep them coming love the big bore
Old Fudd lore
I love mine. They make an AR variant, the Christine.