GMMK Pro Mods part 1: Triple Gaskets, Polycarb Plate, C3 Stabs, Holee, Epsi (with Sound Tests)
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Rattling Stabilizer - Is GREASE the ONLY fix? Try this instead! Epsi, Holee, Band-aid Wrap! by Keybored
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TRIPLE GASKET GMMK Pro for MAX FLEX by Jaad of All Trades
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Holee Mod Tutorial - The ULTIMATE Stabilizer Mod! by Hamaji Neo
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Polycarbonate Plate Issue on reddit
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FR4 Plate Design
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D65 Gaskets
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~~~~Chapters~~~~
00:00 Intro
00:35 Stock Build Intro
01:30 Stock Sound Test with lubed Glorious Pandas
02:05 Stock Build Impressions
02:24 Salvaging the GOAT Stabs
02:36 Re-Tuned GOAT Stabs Sound Test
02:48 Re-Tuned GOAT Stabs Impressions
03:12 PC Plate Screws
03:47 PC Plate, No Standoffs Sound Test
04:07 PC Plate, No Standoffs Impressions
04:25 Triple Gasket, No Bottom Foam, Loose Corner Case Screws
04:40 Triple Gasket Config Sound Test
05:04 Triple Gasket Impressions
05:22 Spacebar Woes
05:42 C3 Stabilizers
06:55 C3 Stabs Sound Test
07:13 Going Kinda Insane
08:16 PC Plate Shrinkage Issue
09:00 PCB Bowing
09:13 Spacebar Sound Tests (PC vs Alu)
09:44 Cutting Up the PC Plate
10:00 Conclusion
10:46 Final Glorious Panda Sound Test
11:40 Final Durock POM Linear Sound Test
12:36 Final Cherry MX Black Hyperglide Sound Test
13:31 Outro
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Oh wow this is a well-made in depth video, awesome man!
Thank you so much!
You're killing it man, loved watching this video...thank you ^_^
Thanks so much, man!
Very thorough video. I especially like the very informative screen while sound testing. Keep on!
Thank you! Will do 😁
Don't usually comment on videos, but just wanted to say I've been really enjoying the content. Keep up the good work (as long as it's enjoyable to you, of course)!
Thank you! Your comment is much appreciated 😊. This is very enjoyable to me and I will definitely keep doing it as long as finances allow hehehe
Very detailed and well organized video man! 🔥
Thank you! 🙏🏼
The quality of your videos are great!! You should definitely have more than 500 subs!!!
Thanks so much! Yeah, I'm not doing well converting the viewers to subs unfortunately. But I'll get there eventually hehe
@@CaloysKeyboards keep up the good work! I'm sure you'll get there :)
picking up a gmmk pro soon and this was super informative, thank you. i would love to see the pcb tape mod + pe foam mod + different combinations of the two in a future video, since those seem to be fairly popular as of late :)
edit: also in combination with the triple gasket; very curious about how that would sound
Yep, I plan on being very thorough with all of the possible configurations of the PE foam mod (under PCB, over PCB, both) as well as in combination with the tape mod. Unfortunately, I've already replaced the triple gaskets with a single D65 gasket as they'd gotten pretty mangled by my repeatedly taking the board apart and putting it back together again lol
Great video! I finished putting my gmmk pro together yesterday and went insane w the stabs. Had durock v2 and pc plate and heard weird higher pitch on the right side spacebar too and kept tuning them. Never knew it was the plate bowing until I saw your vid. I clipped the pc plate to fit the stabs but not gonna go back in to clip other parts lol. Idk if you hear it in yours but on the 2u stabs it also sounds off when pressed nearest to the center of the keyboard. Anyway I fixed all stab issues by finding the deepest and thockiest switch out of my black inks to use w the stabs lol. Loved your pt 2 vid too
Thank you! Yea those plates and stabs will really drive you crazy lol. I don't notice anything with my stabs now but the PE foam may be hiding any issues. Listening back to the sound tests in this video, I do think I can hear some difference between the sides of the shorter stabilized keys although I didn't press them enough in this to be sure hehe
Nice mod log! Planning to do mine, too, once it is arrived.
Thank you! I'll be sure to check yours out hehe
Thanks for such in depth video! Hope you can also do Ikki68 aurora in depth review with how different gaskets and gasket placements sound like 😁
I'll do my best with that one but unfortunately when I bought it, I was thinking like a consumer and not a content creator and so I didn't buy any of the extras. Big regret there. I'd have loved to play around with the different plates, with the brass weight, and the poron gaskets 😓
Nice ! Good stuff !
Thanks! 🙏🏼
Finally! A new video
This one took me a lot longer than I expected lol
Wow this very in-depth review compared to other reviews here in youtube. does cutting some parts of the pc plate fixed the issue of the esc button hitting the case? I changed back to alu plate since the esc button hitting case really bothers me... looking forward for the part 2.
Thank you! Hmm, for my PC plate, it was already not hitting even before I cut some parts off, but just barely. It's hard to say if it will help for you since the shrinkage seems to be different for everyone 😞
Fantastic video!
Just received my GMMK Pro yesterday and had some of the same issues as you did.
Stock stabs - overlubed and super sticky. Used Durock V2's instead and had a go at the Epsi mod using the same KBDfans strips. This caused two of my stabs to stick so I removed them and traditionally lubed them with Krytox. Tried the Holy mod a while ago with Durocks and same issue.
PC Plate - It was super tight and I had to kind of stretch the plate to fit properly around the volume control areas. Did not like that you had to use the self tapping screws and hope they have not shredded the diffuses as I have an Fr4 plate on the way. I will check my Escape key when I get home.
I removed the plate foam, PE foam modded it and kept the case foam and it sounds pretty nice. I kept the stand-offs as was not sure if they were really needed.
Also had to take my stabs off a third time as they come with factory installed bandaids so I peeled them off and used some alcohol to clean it.
Volume button was super tight as well for me.
Anyway I have the FR4 plate on the way in September and hope that this will fit (and sound) nice.
The GMMK Pro has a few flaws but I think with a new aftermarket plate /stabs and pe foam modded its a nice board.
Thank you! Sounds like quite the journey hehe. Yeah, the plates are like the main issue and it's pretty frustrating.
@@CaloysKeyboards I checked my Escape key and it is offset and slightly rubs. I will email Glorious and see what they say.
Bro no worries I always use different switches for the numbers and sometimes mods just for different feel.
What a good video! Thank you for sharing.
I have both the aluminum and polycarb plates and you're right, the polycarb is slighly bowing in the middle and will cause some switches to be much looser. My Esc key and Page Up/Page Down would easily be pulled off (without much effort) sometimes even when my finger brushes the keycap it would pull the switch off. I did not have this problem with the aluminum plate. Moving forward, I am looking to mod my polycarb plate to see if it could be fixed - I noticed the tight portion would be at the rotary encoder and that's where i would start.
Thank you! Oh man your polycarb plate seems really messed up. Good luck with it. Maybe you can look into getting one of the updated ones hehe
Poly plate is unusable, I had to send mine back for a refund. Get the FR4 plate instead. It’s been revised to fit this board perfectly now, it’s flawless.
@@little_fluffy_clouds thank you bro i will check it out
i tried to lub my switches, stabs, change to a brass plate and my PCB is toast for some reason. so gutted because i like the GmmK pro
Funny how my space bar also only ping or rattle on the right side. Do u think I should go polycarbonate + Durock V2 ? Mines using Milky Yellows Lubed and filmed and spring swapped to gold spring.
If the rattle/ping is bothering you, go for it hehe. Durock V2s are the gold standard of stabilizers. If only they fit in all of the GMMK Pro's plates haha
Keep up the good work! I am currently using a GMMK Pro with holee modded Durock stabs on an aluminum plate with EPBT caps. You should also try the PE foam mod!
Thanks! Yep, the PE foam mod is definitely on my list for the next video hehe
What is the PE foam mod?
You succeed installing the Durock stabs on the aluminun? how?
The PE foam mod involves using the foam pouch that comes with the GMMK Pro as dampener. You cut a layer of it to sit on top of the PCB and push the switches through it. You can also place a layer under the PCB and either layer can be used with the stock foam of the board. The Jelly Epoch also uses a layer of this PE foam and that's how this GMMK Pro mod was conceived.
I have not been able to use the Durock V2s with the aluminum plate. What I'm doing right now is using the wire and stems from the Durock V2s and using them with the GOAT housings, allowing them to fit into any plate (c/o TH-camr Anzel). I've holee modded them and I'm still in the process of breaking them in so I can't say for sure yet if it works well.
Glorious Pandas are indeed the tightest switch I've owned. Definitely more pronounced with the GMMK Pro. I also stopped using the Holee Mod due to the inconsistent resistance until you thoroughly break them in. Instead, try going for just XHT-BDZ on the wires. Very consistent in my experience, easy to properly and evenly coat as well.
Also, the GMMK Pro PCB tends to bow especially after using the PC plate. This impacts the spacebar stab heavily, introducing a weird kind of tick / rattle.
I'm in the middle of experimenting with the holee mod for part 2 and it's once again driving me crazy lol. Different materials will introduce different levels of resistance and I got so many suggestions for different things to try. I'll have to try XHT-BDZ.
Yeah I experienced the weird spacebar tick/rattle with the GOAT and C3 stabs. The Durock V2s seem immune but I'm not sure why 😅
@@CaloysKeyboards I actually got the "GOAT" stabs to a usable level after XHT-BDZ. Got it from JMK's Shopee page. :) I think with the Durock being a tighter fit, it might be resisting any bend whatsoever. You can immediately tell when you press really hard on the function row (or the opposite edge), then try tapping the spacebar. If it suddenly sounds 1000x better, it's a bowing issue. :(
Yeah I've been eyeing the XHT-BDZ but it's kinda expensive lol. How much of it did you get?
I realized it was the bowing when the issues disappeared when using the aluminum plate since that one is rigid and keeps the PCB straight.
@@CaloysKeyboards Just the smallest variant! 3g I think. But I can see it being more than enough for a couple of stab sets. GMMK Pro definitely performs best with the stock alu plate. If there's just one good thing about the PC plate, it makes switch swapping so much easier. It pulls away from the PCB like a bedsheet, lol. Then switches pop off with minimal effort.
This is a very informative video, i didnt know there were issues with the PC plate at all. And plus theres an FR4 plate for the GMMK Pro? haha
Yes the one I have was just designed and made by some enthusiasts. But there's also an FR4 plate from AVX Works that looks really nice hehe
@@CaloysKeyboards cool i will get the one from AVX works. thank you very much!
where did you but the FR4 plate po? Thank you.
I bought it directly from Ramon Imbao thru FB marketplace. Not sure if there's any more of them available 😅
nice mousemat. Where did you get those?
Thanks! All of my deskmats are custom-made with my own art hehe
It is very bad idea tbh to loosely screw the board for more flex combine with the poly board. There is too little support for the main pcs to prevent warping
Yeah, in part two, I screwed everything up tight. And now I'm actually using the alu plate. Flex/bounce is overrated lol
I also had issues taking off the gold knob that I bought. I lubed the inside once I got it off for the next time that I do need to remove it, it won't be as tight.
I'm able to remove the knob without issue now. I don't know if it loosened up or I just learned how to do it properly lol
@@CaloysKeyboards nice! Almost like I broke the knob but I guess they are made wobbly. A bit of a downer that it.
Does it still have a problem with durock stabs. I contacted support and was told that they had fixed the stab holes so 3rd party stabs would fit.
They said this on June 23: "All GMMK PRO plates ( aluminum, brass, and polycarbonate) are now fully compatible with most 3rd party stabilizers. Many of the units that shipped recently should already have this compatibility."
It sounds like if you buy now, you should get the updated versions but I can't be sure of that. It might also depend on your local distributor. I don't think we have them here yet in the Philippines.
my pc plate is doing this as well and the fr4 is on the way - should i take the pc off asap so it doesn't permanently bend my pcb or should I be fine for like a week?
I'm still using the PC plate but I've used all of the case screws, plate screws, and standoffs so it should all remain pretty straight. Not sure what kind of effect prolonged use would have 😓
Did your GMMK Pro come with a foam between plate and PCB?
Yes it did 😊
Consider the PE Foam mod! If you're going for that poppy sound, it will really help
Yes I've already got the PE Foam on hand and am currently experimenting with it. It'll feature in part 2 hehe
Have you seen the 3rd party FR4 plate?
The one from AVX Works? Yup looks really nice 😊
did you have any difficulties removing the screws? about to get this keyboard and been hearing a lot of people ending up stripping the screws. was thinking of getting wow stick as well to make sure but additional expense does not sound good though
I only had a bit of trouble with one of the corner screws but I was just careful and pushed in hard as I turned and it came loose. I was also pretty terrified before getting the board because of the horror stories being passed around in enthusiast groups. It's definitely an issue. I'm not sure if a wow stick would be a big help honestly. I think you just need to use a good quality screwdriver with the right size of head.
@@CaloysKeyboards that issue is the only thing that holds me from getting this keyboard right now. torn between Q1 and GMMK pro or just getting the IDOBAO ID87 TKL but unfortunately, I cannot find any seller who have stock here in the PH. Thanks for your response sir.
Oh you're in the PH. If you're getting from Rotobox or Gosu, I think they can unscrew the case for you if you ask them. I'm also waiting on the local release of the Q1. Seems like it'll need a lot of modding to sound good but then again, the GMMK Pro does too hehe
@@CaloysKeyboards how bout the IDOBAO 75% keyboard? in your opinion, is it a better option than GMMK pro? not fan of the knob so really don't matter if i have one or not. Q1 will be available by October as per Gosu but man, from this stand point, 1 month is a long wait for me lol
Not super familiar with the ID80, unfortunately. I hear people don't like the integrated plate but then I find I'm ok with stiffer typing experiences. There's also the ID80 Crystal, which is gasket mount. Pricey though hehe
Should I switch back to the aluminum plate to avoid the bowing caused by the PC plate?
I'm still on the PC plate. It's not a huge deal for me but check yours to see how much shrinkage the PC plate has. Might be worse than mine.
@@CaloysKeyboards shrinkage is definitely much less, I'm using the same keycaps and there's a decent gap between the esc key and the case. Using the same keycaps as you, they gok bows.
Nice. You're probably good to keep using the PC then if you prefer it over the alu hehe
@@CaloysKeyboards The apparently updated their plate toolings to fix the fitment issues. twitter.com/Glorious/status/1407388076561907712
Yep saw that! Glorious, I'll take some free replacements and a free brass one too lol
6 hours late 🥲 Hello Caloy ! Awesome video 🔥 Cool? Cool! 😎
Thanks! Never too late! 😁
i didnt use any screws with my pc plate because i thought all the holes were stripped🤦🏻♀️
Lol it is confusing. I've seen people not use any screws on their PC plates. Like, they'd even cut off the tabs where the screws would go. So you're good as long as the PCB doesn't sink and lose contact with the switches hehe
Use the PE Foam mod in the upcoming video, I think it could improve a lot the sound
That one's definitely on my list for the next vid 😊
Actually Silver KEK
Someone finally noticed lololol
dude, try the tape mod, 2 layers, with no foam, deep sound with the flexibility
Is this the one where you put masking tape on the back of the PCB? Hehe
So pc plate problematic :((?
For part 2, it's the one I ended up with in the end and I'm still using it now. But then I am using the case foam again and have everything tightened up fully so that should prevent any issues from bowing.
Do the PE Foam mod. That's the most effective mod for sound of the board.
Definitely on the list. Still doing research on the dangers of that with regard to ESD though hehe
@@CaloysKeyboards Wait I just did the PE mod a few days ago, is there a risk of ESD? I put my PE foam in between the PCB and the plate foam. If there is a risk of ESD I will remove it
Yes, Mech Merlin said that there is a risk of that with this material. There is PE foam that is treated to be anti-static, which should protect against ESD. From what I've read, most people haven't really had any board-breaking issues when using untreated PE foam. I've read some who had issues with switch inputs: double inputs or non responsive keys. I've read another person say the side LEDs on their board stopped working for a few seconds after plugging in some bluetooth speakers. I think it's probably better to be safe than sorry.
@@CaloysKeyboards Omg I actually did experience double inputs on my keyboard and some non responsive keys, I just assumed it was because the PE foam was "lifting" up the switch so it didn't really go fully into the PCB so I just pressed harder to get the switches in, I guess I'll remove them now, thanks!
Happy to help 😊. I'm still not actually sure if those issues can be attributed to static but yeah, better safe than sorry😅